Political view - A British angle on the question

[ShadesWolf]

I have found a British survey that checks your political leaning. If anybody is interested please have a go.

http://politicalsurvey2005.com/

[ShadesWolf]

My findings were as follows

http://www.politicalsurvey2005.com/scripts/quiz?graph=0;x=4.39532521824854;y=3.01040828357221

Crime and punishment, internationalism
Your position on this axis is 4.4
You are likely to be fairly punitive and isolationist.

Economics, etc
Your position on this axis is 3.0
You are likely to be very free-market and pro-war.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Very interesting,and more relevant than the American poll.

I filled in 'the Guardian' and liberal-democrat. According to the test, the lib-dem was spot-on, but readers of the Times have views most like mine.

https://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9456/graph6yn.png

[English assassin]

Hmm. Bang on the centre on hanging and flogging and Europe, and to the right of 98.1% of the population on economics (Not sure why being pro free market is lumped with being pro war but there we go. Probably just as well for me it was or I would have broken toe 100% barrier)

I don't think I'm THAT economically right wing, but put it down to the questions being slightly simplistic. For instance I do think we should allow foreign nurses to work here, but not if it means denuding other countries of healthcare.

[econ21]

Very strange test.

I scored:

"Crime and punishment, internationalism
Your position on this axis is -3.9
You are likely to be fairly internationalist and rehabilitationist.

Economics, etc
Your position on this axis is 3.7
You are likely to be very free-market and pro-war."

On the first scale (crime/social?), I seem to be aligned with Polly Toynbee (87% of UK people are more right wing than me).

On the second (economic/war) I am with Margaret Thatcher (96% are more left wing than me).

I wonder whether the two axes came from? I suspect they are just measuring correlations within responses (e.g. using factor analysis). They don't seem to correspond that well to meaningful ideological divisions (I'm not pro-war or particularly free market).

[Kagemusha]

This test is inpossible to answer to a foreigner.Too many specific questions about Britain.

[Kanamori]

Crime and punishment, internationalism

Your position on this axis is -0.5
You are likely to be centrist.
Economics, etc

Your position on this axis is 5.8
You are likely to be very free-market and pro-war.

https://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6590/quiz5nr.png

Even though I said I disagree with the war in its question?:help:

[Ja'chyra]

Crime and punishment, internationalism
Your position on this axis is -0.6
You are likely to be centrist.

Economics, etc
Your position on this axis is 0.2
You are likely to be centrist.

[mystic brew]

i'm extremely left wing and extremely right wing.

-5.2 & +1.8

Yay me.

But i'm just forced to condlude that it isn't the test that is flawed, but the entire political system! Why hang-em-flog-em-social-control-conservative right wingers have to vote for the same party as the 'there's no such thing as society'-libertarians makes no damn sense.

Gah.

i am more of a libertarian than anything else, i think. Unless i'm an anarchist :dizzy2:

[Strike For The South]

Im so to the right

Of women...

76.4% are significantly to your left
20.6% have views about the same as yours
3.0% are significantly to your rightOf men...

74.0% are significantly to your left
21.9% have views about the same as yours
4.1% are significantly to your right

[Ianofsmeg16]

hmm i never knew how centrist i was :D most possibly because i have no idea what all this political jargon means anyway...

[JAG]

Better test than most I have taken here and elsewhere, though just because I believe in free'er markets between countries and anti protectionist policies generally, it seems on the economy I am far closer to the centre than I would normally be labelled. It is interesting. It does seem too, that I am the furthest person to the left on internationalism and rehabilitation they have had take the test.

http://politicalsurvey2005.com/survey/AKHBCACGDAADABEDEEABAEDADEADEADAAEAEAEBAEA

http://www.politicalsurvey2005.com/scripts/quiz?graph=0;x=-8.17520833186952;y=-0.753457330404296


Crime and punishment, internationalism

Your position on this axis is -8.2
You are likely to be very internationalist and rehabilitationist.
Economics, etc

Your position on this axis is -0.8
You are likely to be slightly socialist and anti-war.

Compared to the whole population...(the first axis)

* 0.0% are significantly to your left
* 0.1% have views about the same as yours
* 99.9% are significantly to your right

Compared to the whole population...(second axis)

* 11.1% are significantly to your left
* 47.6% have views about the same as yours
* 41.3% are significantly to your right



See, I am not really left wing on the economy, I am where the majority of people are and should be! ~;)

[Duke Malcolm]

I was a half-inch due right of the origin. Centrist.

[English assassin]

It does seem too, that I am the furthest person to the left on internationalism and rehabilitation they have had take the test.

Pope revealed to be "Catholic" : film at 11 ~D

[BigTex]

On crime and punishment i'm a .8
On economics i'm a 2.7 Pro war and free market, who woulda thunk it.

Your prisons are too soft, you need a couple good old boys packing fudge. Uk should withdraw from the EU. Immigrants are bad for UK. Many severe crimes deserve the death penalty. More important to punish the criminals, again I marvel at that concept.

https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/Thammure/untitled.jpg

Who would have thought I would be located there in the galaxy. Keeping with the slew of cosmo polls, here ya go Cosmo poll (http://magazines.ivillage.com/cosmopolitan/sex/polls)

[ShadesPanther]

http://www.politicalsurvey2005.com/scripts/quiz?graph=0;x=-0.206139958431766;y=2.12035384288654

crime and punishment, internationalism

Your position on this axis is -0.2
You are likely to be centrist.
Economics, etc

Your position on this axis is 2.1
You are likely to be fairly free-market and pro-war.

[BDC]

Crime and punishment, internationalism

Your position on this axis is -2.4
You are likely to be slightly internationalist and rehabilitationist.
Economics, etc

Your position on this axis is 1.3
You are likely to be slightly free-market and pro-war.

http://www.politicalsurvey2005.com/graphs/2/e/2ed48795cb7962747b7982b66a804cd496e71292.png

[AggonyDuck]

Seems like a pretty decent test, although I would had though I would had been a bit more to the left...:dizzy2:

Crime and punishment, internationalism
Your position on this axis is -4.6
You are likely to be fairly internationalist and rehabilitationist.

Economics, etc
Your position on this axis is 0.2
You are likely to be centrist.

[Marcellus]

https://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2140/politicalquiz9rx.png (https://imageshack.us)

The x-axis result seems accurate, but I have to disagree with the grouping of 'free market' and 'pro-war' together on the y-axis - it makes the y-axis result fairly innaccurate for me (being generally anti-war).

[Moros]

I'm not Enlgish but:
Crime and punishment, internationalism

Your position on this axis is -2.9
You are likely to be slightly internationalist and rehabilitationist.
Economics, etc

Your position on this axis is -0.3
You are likely to be centrist.

http://www.politicalsurvey2005.com/scripts/quiz?graph=0;x=-2.90959389576639;y=-0.321861151884854

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Crime and punishment, internationalism

Your position on this axis is 3.0
You are likely to be slightly punitive and isolationist.
Economics, etc

Your position on this axis is 2.3
You are likely to be fairly free-market and pro-war.

Apparently I'm only 'slightly right of center' on economics and fairly rightwing in social issues. ho-hum.

[Marcellus]

Where would you place Charles Kennedy, the leader of the Liberal Democrats?

Little behind the times, isn't it?

[Divinus Arma]

If I were British, then what party would I like?

https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/913/politicalviewpoint3xd.png (https://imageshack.us)

According to the American Political Spectrum, I was a moderate libertarian conservative, not a full-fledged right wing hack. I was just a touch out of the maistream to the right.



Positions on this axis describe your views on crime and punishment, Europe, and other transnational issues including immigration and international law.

1.7. "Slightly right of center."

Compared to the whole population...

56.9% are significantly to your left
31.3% have views about the same as yours
11.8% are significantly to your right

https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5222/politicalviewpoint7uj.png (https://imageshack.us)



Positions on this axis describe your views on public and private involvement in the economy, international trade, redistributive taxation... and Iraq.

5.3 "Very Right Wing".

Compared to the whole population...

99.3% are significantly to your left
0.7% have views about the same as yours
0.0% are significantly to your right

https://img239.imageshack.us/img239/191/politicalviewpoint2os.png (https://imageshack.us)

Compared to voters for the major political parties
Here we compare your answers to those given by people intending to vote for several well-known political parties.

https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1600/politicalviewpoint0mk.png (https://imageshack.us)



I guess that means the UK is far far more socialist than the U.S., Eh?

Goodness. Even more than 98% of UK conservatives are to my left? Darn Americans and our free market system...:laugh4:

I think this poll is biased. :laugh4:

[JAG]

Divinus Arma - The poll is not bias, I don't really understand what it could be bias against. Unfortunately as you have pointed out, the US is a far more right wing country than the UK. Over here we still have - although weakened - a sense of social democracy and not simply free market mayhem, for instance.

[Divinus Arma]

Divinus Arma - The poll is not bias, I don't really understand what it could be bias against. Unfortunately as you have pointed out, the US is a far more right wing country than the UK. Over here we still have - although weakened - a sense of social democracy and not simply free market mayhem, for instance.

I was kidding.


As for the free market "mayhem", you are absolutely right. And it is why the UK is the world's economic leader, more powerful than any other country in the history of the world. Oh wait. Nevermind. That would be us. heh heh.

[Moros]

I was kidding.


As for the free market "mayhem", you are absolutely right. And it is why the UK is the world's economic leader, more powerful than any other country in the history of the world. Oh wait. Nevermind. That would be us. heh heh.
"Communist"...ahem...China is comming....

[mystic brew]

As for the free market "mayhem", you are absolutely right. And it is why the UK is the world's economic leader, more powerful than any other country in the history of the world. Oh wait. Nevermind. That would be us. heh heh.

I would certainly say that at it's height The british empire was more powerful relatively than the US today. 1/4 of the worlds population... but its what ifs, so i'll concede that the US is massively powerful.

But as a country, the UK economy punches well above it's weight. we are one of the G8, when, as a country with 65 million, we have a tiny population, and yet our social care to the poor is better than the states...

[KukriKhan]

https://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2157/europoll1ko.th.png (https://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=europoll1ko.png)

Heh. Center-leaning Centrist. How about that?

I lied & said I was a Londoner, a Guardian reader, a 2001 Labour voter, an '05 Respect voter. I chose some pretty extreme views on the 'values' bit of the poll, and yet came out middle-of-the-road. Looking at the comparison analysis, it looks like the UK is divvied up into thirds: one-third rightists, one-third leftists, one-third centrists, roughly speaking.

[mystic brew]

but what i also find interesting is that the 'tail' of the left wing is a lot longer than the right wing one... the right seems very short indeed.

[Banquo's Ghost]

If I were British, then what party would I like?

From what I have gleaned from your posts, DA, I think you would despair of most of the parties in the UK. Nonetheless, I believe you would find some like-minded individuals in the Conservative Party (such as the Reform Group) whilst growling about the direction that David Cameron (the new leader) is taking the party.

But yes, the UK is considerably less right-wing on economic matters than the US. This suits the British character quite well (paternalism rather than socialism, market forces but with heavy regulation, and so forth) whilst allowing for some important differences from the Continentals.

The Brits aren't doing too badly with their slightly right-centrist tendency - given the size of the country and its population, fourth (or newly fifth, I think now that China is coming up on the rails) largest economy isn't at all bad.

:2thumbsup:

[mystic brew]

he'd be a true blue Thatcherist, perhaps?

[JAG]

https://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2157/europoll1ko.th.png (https://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=europoll1ko.png)

Heh. Center-leaning Centrist. How about that?

I lied & said I was a Londoner, a Guardian reader, a 2001 Labour voter, an '05 Respect voter. I chose some pretty extreme views on the 'values' bit of the poll, and yet came out middle-of-the-road. Looking at the comparison analysis, it looks like the UK is divvied up into thirds: one-third rightists, one-third leftists, one-third centrists, roughly speaking.

You righty on economic matters!! *shocked!* :p

But yes, our society is pretty even I guess, it has been like that for at least 50 years. Although Blair seems ot think two thirds of people in this country are rabid right wingers and so panders to that small minority almost daily.

[JAG]

I was kidding.


As for the free market "mayhem", you are absolutely right. And it is why the UK is the world's economic leader, more powerful than any other country in the history of the world. Oh wait. Nevermind. That would be us. heh heh.

Yet the child death rate and mal nutrition in some states / counties, is shockingly third world rates. Proud of that? The rich are so rich they are more powerful than anyone else in the world, yet the poor rot like those in the Sudan? Great country, I am quite proud of the fact we balance things better than you do over there.

[Strike For The South]

Yet the child death rate and mal nutrition in some states / counties, is shockingly third world rates. Proud of that? The rich are so rich they are more powerful than anyone else in the world, yet the poor rot like those in the Sudan? Great country, I am quite proud of the fact we balance things better than you do over there.

Do you have links to back up these claims JAG. I find it hard to belive the USA is on the same level as Sudan.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Infant mortality rates rank (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html)
The higher up the list, the lesser the mortality rate:
USA - 184
Cuba - 186
Greece - 194
UK - 198
EU - 200
France, Germany - 215, 216
Sweden - 225
Singapore - 226

So, for a developed country, the US is rather low on that list. Below Greece and Cuba.
In the US, good healthcare is more a matter of access than availability, so I assume that suburban America has a very low infant mortality rate, close to France and Germany, and the American poor have a mortality rate comparable to the Ukraine or Sri Lanka.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Infant mortality rates rank (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html)
The higher up the list, the lesser the mortality rate:
USA - 184
Cuba - 186
Greece - 194
UK - 198
EU - 200
France, Germany - 215, 216
Sweden - 225
Singapore - 226

So, for a developed country, the US is rather low on that list. Below Greece and Cuba.
In the US, good healthcare is more a matter of access than availability, so I assume that suburban America has a very low infant mortality rate, close to France and Germany, and the American poor have a mortality rate comparable to the Ukraine or Sri Lanka.
Yeah, that's because you kill off your babies before they fall out of the womb, ours die after. :idea2:

But lets not turn this into an abortion thread.

OMFG Div is more of a Capitalist than I am? The World is coming to an end! Run for the hills!

I've been out-right-winged-by-someone-other-than-Navaros!

[Kanamori]

If I were British, then what party would I like?

You won't really have one. The Conservatives cannot really be compared to the Republicans, and New Labour is nearly as right wing as the Conservatives. Plus, Conservatives are far too pushy on the morality side, from what I gather your tastes are. Besides some of the terribly silly legislation that New Labour tries to push through, they have become a near mirror of the Alan Greenspan economics, and Britain is reaping the reward. I would say that it is integral to understanding the politics over here to always keep in mind that their constitution is no where near as ingrained in ours, and so legislation that would never pass, let alone be considered, in the States happens all the time here. The Conservatives are looking like a good choice, if they continue to drop their soap-box on moral issues; the bottom line is that everybody is quite sick of Blair. Bring out the Gordon Brown in all of his capitalistic and socially-centrist majesty.

I've never truly understood the arguments that attempt to draw some link between social healthcare and the free market. How are they mutually exclusive? They're not at all. You can have a free market and at the same time, you can have a very healthy population. People always cite these compelling interests; what is more compelling than your citizens' health? This is reform that I would wholeheartedly support in the States, but nobody is brave enough to seriously try to get it through. 'Tis a shame. If private Hospitals remained, yet if there was semi-social healthcare system that tried to improve the lives of citizens, all of the health companies would be even more interested in developing new methods and technologies. Less money on risky military programs like Star Wars, and more looking after -- yes that's right, looking after -- our citizens that cannot afford their healthcare. When somebody doesn't have money for medical treatment I propose that we do the good Christian thing and help them get medical treatment.

[Somebody Else]

http://politicalsurvey2005.com/survey/__LBFAEEDEDBADBDDBDBDECDBCDCADEEDBBDCBAECA

It seems I'm a bit peculiar.

Crime and punishment, internationalism

Your position on this axis is -1.3
You are likely to be slightly internationalist and rehabilitationist.
Economics, etc

Your position on this axis is 3.4
You are likely to be very free-market and pro-war.

*I'd agree with the second bit, but the first bit... I think, and I answered this way, that I'm more likely to be very internationalist and not particularly rehabitationist at all. Foolish averaging!*

[Slyspy]

Some of the questions were a bit odd (I was slightly-left and centrist). For example I agreed that private companies were generally run more efficiently than public corporations. However this does not mean that I want them running national services. Being more efficient does not necessarily mean improved service.

[KukriKhan]

Some of the questions were a bit odd (I was slightly-left and centrist). For example I agreed that private companies were generally run more efficiently than public corporations. However this does not mean that I want them running national services. Being more efficient does not necessarily mean improved service.

There ya go, brother. Infrastructure (or what is perceived as such) ought not be run with an eye toward either profit or even break-even points. Infrastucture, by def (IMO), is stuff the populace in a given environment belives it wants/needs to survive. Water, air, internet connectivity. Whatever. If the people want it, and pay portions of their paystub for it: let it be.

[Ironside]

Yeah, that's because you kill off your babies before they fall out of the womb, ours die after. :idea2:


Hm, what nation has the most liberal abortion laws? I'll give you a hint, it's the land of the extremes.

Anyway got centrist on the economic scale (0,3) and left on other scale (-3,1).

[JAG]

Yeah, that's because you kill off your babies before they fall out of the womb, ours die after. :idea2:



There are probably far more abortions carried out - and at a later time in the pregnancy too - over there than here. What a silly response to the question I posed.

[Divinus Arma]

Jag, Re: China. Consider why they are doing so well economically, eh? Do ya think the trend towards capitalism just might have a little to do with it?

As for Health Care, I agree that the health care system in the United States should be reformed. I do not think we need to make the system public, but rather provide for a type of public insurance. But again, this is ratehra problem since ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS do not pay income taxes, so they would not really be paying into the system, but yet their DIRT BIRTH BABIES would benefit. It really is disgusting.

We need a ****ing wall with automatic machine guns like in the movie Aliens.

(no I'm not serious.) Actually what we need to do is expand citizenship opportunities to properly assimilate some of these individuals into our labor force while simultaneously criminalizing emplyment of illegals and ramping up border enforcement.

I have no probs with LEGAL immigration. Damn. You guys are turning me into a one issue monster here. ~D

Well... they are very closely linked. :idea2:

As for the malnutrition and child mortality rates: You can thank our urban poor on welfare for making the choice to have children as well as the illegal immigrants. It is not the child's fault. It is the fault of the selfish parents.