Conservative Club XIV

[Divinus Arma]

Liberals and hippies please be kind and stay out. Just start your own club. Thanks.

Yah. It's been done before.

I heretoforth announce The XIV Conservative Club of the Org Backroom.

The purpose of The XIV Conservative Club is to establish a thread where conservatives may discuss the politics within the right-wing conservative realm. Leftist Liberals (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/06/07/politics/p012202D17.DTL&type=politics) and bystanders are invited to chime in, gape in awe and wonder, or do any such thing as they see fit. Conservatism may only be advanced through education of one's self. It must be understood to be embraced, and our purpose is to understand the subtle nuances within our political perspective in order to better ourselves. The XIV Conservative Club seeks not to declare our superiority, since that debate has already ended for our members, lest they would not be here. Instead, our mission is to improve upon that which we believe to be best for the future of civilization and society. There are many stripes of conservatism, but which is best for the Western wolrd is something we here seek to discuss.

Before further discussion, please announce your alleigance.


MEMBERS:

The Honorable Mr. Eclectic

The Honorable Mr. Gelatinous Cube, of the Libertarian Bloc

The Honorable Mr. Alexander the Pretty Good

The Honorable Mr. Crazed Rabbit, of the Libertarian Bloc

The Honorable Mr. Strike For The South, of the Texas Alliance Currently confused by the leftist liberal machine. Favors Palestinain terrorists to Israeli Democracy and voted "left" on which side one swings. :shame: Of Course, he had never really said "Aye" either. I am sure the leftists shall welcome you. Surely our beloved Texas cannot. You will be missed.

Membership remains open...





MANLAWS:

Thou shalt not mention leftist liberals (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83696,00.html) expect to show their folly to the world yet again.

Leftist Liberalism (http://aad.english.ucsb.edu/docs/mmjennings.html) is to be considered a disease, and conservatism its cure.

The intrusion of leftist liberals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwto2s_FbnI&search=dean%20scream) is to be expected here. Consider them the colorful decorations; do not engage them directly, lest you disrupt the sanctity of our illustrious club.

Spectators are to be expected as well. Respect their presence, but engage them at peril- they may be a leftist liberal in disguise.

When going to the fridge for beer, you are obligated to bring a beer for everyone else.

When using the restroom, you are obligated to stop by the fridge and bring back a beer for everyone else.

Better yet, just restock the cooler when its your turn.

Don't Die.

No Fat Chicks.


All those who agree to the manlaws of the conservative club say "aye" and ye shall be entered into our rolls as a member. Break your sacred vows and ye shall be expelled, forever branded a leftist liberal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLFjllDycJQ&search=dean%20scream) in the eyes of the membership of this,

The XIV Conservative Club




Issues Debated and Conclusions Reached

First Procession, First Chapter: Defining Conservatism
In Progress...

Second Procession, First Chapter: Religion in Public Policy
On the Chopping Block...

[discovery1]

Have their really been fourteen conservative clubs? And don't you guys have your own forum? I could have sworn I heard of one....

[Crazed Rabbit]

The fourteenth? I used to have the second bookmarked, but then firefox lost all my bookmarks.

And who's this Eclectic fellow? Is that you, DA?


Have their really been fourteen conservative clubs? And don't you guys have your own forum? I could have sworn I heard of one....

Really? It'd be nice to not defend the basic tenants of capitalism all the time.

Crazed Rabbit

[AntiochusIII]

And who's this Eclectic fellow? Is that you, DA?Yup. That's DA. He scared the hell out of me when he changed his name in the middle of one of our debates. I was like, "who the hell is this 3000+ posts guy, and why is he responding me like that, as if I've ever talked to this weirdo before! WTF?" for a few seconds. ~:)

DA...Eclectic, don't you know that since JAG is back, historical inevitability dictates so that all attempts at creating Konservative Klubs will be assaulted very soon by angry proletarian mobs he represent? Tsk. Tsk.

I assume the Fourteenth is just an indirect implication of support for the Sun King.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Liberals and hippies please be kind and stay out. Just start your own club. Thanks.

Yah. It's been done before.

I heretoforth announce the XIV Conservative Club of the Org Backroom.

Before further discussion, please announce your allegiance.

MEMBERS:

TBD


BYLAWS:

TBD

What opinions do you need to hold to be counted as conservative?

[Tribesman]

What opinions do you need to hold to be counted as conservative?
Basically you need to agree with everything Divinus says , otherwise you are a liberal .
A recent case in point would be a certain very very fundamentalist Christian who was labelled a liberal for having a differing viewpoint .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[rory_20_uk]

Am I a conservative or a liberal? I never know since I get an ear bashing from both sides. :dizzy2:

~:smoking:

[Strike For The South]

1st bylaw.

Bylaws are now manlaws

[discovery1]

1st bylaw.

Bylaws are now manlaws

Why does that mean?

Strike weren't you kicked out of the members only conservative club for being too liberal?

[Lemur]

I was both booed and hissed (nobody threw anything) when speaking at a literary conference for stating that the marketplace was the best medium for sorting out good authors from bad. And you should see the hate email I got for declaring that socialism and communism were dead ends.

But here? Oh, I guess I'm a big lefty for the Bushistas. But I'm in good company, with George Will and Navaros now considered liberals.

I never posted in a Conservative Club thread before, but it does bear mentioning -- don't you cute little ubercons have your own secret treehouse out there on the web somewhere? Complete with secret handshakes and decoder rings?

What is the purpose of a new CC on the Org? Did your server die?

[JAG]

Still as stupid as the day it was first proposed here at the .org, yet such a parable of what Conservatives are like; Elite, inward looking dividers.

If you want your own club, join a Conservative forum, surely there must be some people out there so big headed that they believe it is only to themselves they must talk for enlightenment, without dirtying the waters of the backroom.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I want to be an elite, inward-looking divider!

And let Lemur in if he wants to, although I don't think he does.

And JAG, you guys started a "Progressives" thingy in a thread a while back. Don't talk of dirtying these already squalid waters!

[rory_20_uk]

Conservatives are the Elite? Surprised to hear Jag state that they are the best in society.

~:smoking:

[Perplexed]

Why be conservative? It's a waste of time.

Have a nice cold beer instead.

~:thumb:

[Al Khalifah]

Why be conservative? It's a waste of time.
Because: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter was talking about gun-rights IMHO.
He might have been talking about abortion but with a name as cool as Hunter S. Thompson I doubt it.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Still as stupid as the day it was first proposed here at the .org, yet such a parable of what Conservatives are like; Elite, inward looking dividers.

If you want your own club, join a Conservative forum, surely there must be some people out there so big headed that they believe it is only to themselves they must talk for enlightenment, without dirtying the waters of the backroom.

So, it's not stupid, just like it wasn't when it first came to be?

And funny you use it as a reason to accuse conservatives, since I remember some other clubs immediately starting up.

And you talk about big-headed, then imply that anything not stamped with approval by chomsky is 'dirtying the waters of the backroom' as though this were a lefty shrine to lenin.

And don't even get me started on leftist elitism. Doesn't Chomsky have trusts (which he rails against when other people have them) for his own children?


I was both booed and hissed (nobody threw anything) when speaking at a literary conference for stating that the marketplace was the best medium for sorting out good authors from bad. And you should see the hate email I got for declaring that socialism and communism were dead ends.

But here? Oh, I guess I'm a big lefty for the Bushistas. But I'm in good company, with George Will and Navaros now considered liberals.

I think most Americans, of either party, would agree with your sentiments. And what's with the term 'Bushistas'? The newest sound byte from kos? ~;p


I never posted in a Conservative Club thread before, but it does bear mentioning -- don't you cute little ubercons have your own secret treehouse out there on the web somewhere? Complete with secret handshakes and decoder rings?

What is the purpose of a new CC on the Org? Did your server die?

No, actually it's in one of my underground lairs where we plot global domination, unrestained capitalism and an end to sensitivity campaigns of any type.
But we don't have any decoder rings, which is probably why we haven't been successful yet. Your idea of using an 'internet' 'forum' as a meeting place is intriguing, considering that our current communication method of cans and strings is high maintenance.

Crazed Rabbit

[Perplexed]

He might have been talking about abortion but with a name as cool as Hunter S. Thompson I doubt it.

I bet he's got the rolled-up sleeves, the granite-slab jawline, the quarter-inch cropped hair, and hamstrings like slabs of raw meat. I also bet he drives the biggest and most inefficient SUV on the market, and that he feels just a bit happier with each ton of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere.

[Al Khalifah]

He's also dead.

[Perplexed]

He's also dead.

https://img323.imageshack.us/img323/1886/8whxf69rf.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

[JAG]

Conservatives are the Elite? Surprised to hear Jag state that they are the best in society.

~:smoking:

:inquisitive:


CR - other clubs started up - none of which came with my satisfaction and agreement and I stated that in all of them.

And I think the reason as to why these threads are so pointless and loathing is summed up with the factthat this is the 14th one. When it fails once can't you just leave it, surely that isn't very market responsive.

[Papewaio]

Conservative Club: A club that always slices for a right handed but always hooks for a left handed player. Not good for plays from the rough or the bunkers as it really isn't planned to ever play in them as all shots were expected to land on the green.

[rory_20_uk]

:inquisitive:


CR - other clubs started up - none of which came with my satisfaction and agreement and I stated that in all of them.

And I think the reason as to why these threads are so pointless and loathing is summed up with the factthat this is the 14th one. When it fails once can't you just leave it, surely that isn't very market responsive.

I thought you'd be pleased - it's obviously a lovely command economy. The proletariat will like this type of thing, or they are Enemies of The State. :skull:

~:smoking:

[Al Khalifah]

I guess you just couldn't understand the concept of elitism JAG. After all... Keele ?

[rory_20_uk]

I guess you just couldn't understand the concept of elitism JAG. After all... Keele ?

Ouch!

I like elitism. I guess most who went to Imperial College, London do...

It's lonely at the top, but the view is great :wiseguy:

~:smoking:

[Aenlic]

I thought you'd be pleased - it's obviously a lovely command economy. The proletariat will like this type of thing, or they are Enemies of The State. :skull:

~:smoking:

Wasn't Proletariat, now one of our assistant mods, once a member of one of these clubs?

(read sign: No Shirt. No Shoes. No service!)

Whoops! I don't think I'm allowed in here. I quit wearing my hair shirt long ago. :wink:

[JAG]

I guess you just couldn't understand the concept of elitism JAG. After all... Keele ?

~:rolleyes:

[Crazed Rabbit]

And I think the reason as to why these threads are so pointless and loathing is summed up with the factthat this is the 14th one. When it fails once can't you just leave it, surely that isn't very market responsive.

So, giving up on the first try is market responsive? That's a crazy view of capitalism. And if it isn't capitalistic, why don't you like it?

And actually, this would be the third. I think the second is still buried in the depths somewhere...


Conservative Club: A club that always slices for a right handed but always hooks for a left handed player. Not good for plays from the rough or the bunkers as it really isn't planned to ever play in them as all shots were expected to land on the green.

Heehee, and I'm a terrible golfer.

Crazed Rabbit

[JAG]

Who died and made you a moderator? Back off.

Since when did not being a moderator stop people commenting?

[JAG]

You're acting like any thread without your approval is some kind of "lesser" thread. It smacks of a disgusting arrogance.

Not at all, just this one. If you want to talk with just conservatives there are plenty of outlets, why here? To think you can start up your own thread just for conservatives in an open to anyone forum and expect them not to take part in the thread, that smacks of a disgusting arrogance to me and many more things besides.

[JAG]

Liberals and hippies please be kind and stay out. Just start your own club. Thanks.

So, as long as I have your permission it is OK and I can ignore DA's. Great!

And we all know what this thread is about and it is nothing but pats on the back for fellow conservatives.

[Vladimir]

The Conservative Club XIV thread aka The Let's Bait JAG thread. Come here little fishy :laugh3:

[Big_John]

as short-sighted and pitiable as conservatives tend to be.. i have no problem with them segregating themselves to adimre eachother, or whatever the purpose of threads like this are.

however, JAG has a point. to start a thread on a public game forum with the intent of excluding other members is a bit off. sure E asked nicely, kind of*, but you can't really expect any recourse when non-conservatives crash a 'private' party held on public grounds.




*"hippies"?

[Vladimir]

A more accurate phrase for Neo-cons is Old-libs. Or as at least one Old-lib neo-con changed his title to, Neo-Wilsonian. Some asian guy, I guess he's seen the wisdom of ineffective foreign policy and segregation. :dizzy2:

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Excuse me, but Aenlic pointed out that you have Cheetos here...


*Grabs the bag and runs*

[Redleg]

Ah I am rather amused once again. :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Proletariat]

Threads like this are dumb. If a liberal started something like this and requested non-leftists keep out, the first thing I'd do was spam some Coulter and Limbaugh all over it. E's asking for it, no doubt. JAG's stolen the show here though with his reflexive political thought process, as if he'd unload that crock on any other sort of politically focused e-club back here other than a conservative one.

[IrishArmenian]

If I am a religious conservative, yet somewhat liberal politcs-thinker, does that make me eligible?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, I couldn't say. We're a diverse bunch.

I think the core would be supporting capitalism in general over socialism, and, well, I'd say small government but lately our 'conservative' pres hasn't lived up to that. In America, being conservative also generally means being against abortion, for traditional values, against gay marriage, against taxes, individual responsibility, and probably some others I forgot.

I, personally, support capitalism, very little government inference or regulation of your life, am a believer in tradition and I am religious.

Should something come of this thread, the most important thing might be if you want to join. It seems to me that you support what we Americans call 'gun rights' and individual freedom, so you can't be as bad as a lot of the lefties in America.

Crazed Rabbit

[Aenlic]

Should something come of this thread, the most important thing might be if you want to join. It seems to me that you support what we Americans call 'gun rights' and individual freedom, so you can't be as bad as a lot of the lefties in America.Crazed Rabbit

Now you've just intrigued me, CR; because I fully support the 2nd Amendment and am especially fond of individual rights. The two are pretty much inseparable, in my opinion. And yet, we're at opposite ends on nearly everything else; except, perhaps, me taking small government to the extreme of no government, as such. :wink: Perhaps some additional clarification is in order?

[Aenlic]

See? Perhaps the too-easy pigeon-holes which some are fond of trying to stuff others into aren't as fitting as some might believe. Just a thought. :grin:

[Lehesu]

Labels are easier than thinking.

[Tribesman]

Maybe Divinus should change the clubs name .
Perhaps the contradictory club is more appropriate .

I, personally, support capitalism, very little government inference or regulation of your life, am a believer in tradition and I am religious.
So does Osama B , is he eligible for club membership ?
Damn , these pigeon holes don't work very well do they .:juggle2:

[Papewaio]

See? Perhaps the too-easy pigeon-holes which some are fond of trying to stuff others into aren't as fitting as some might believe. Just a thought. :grin:

I see the main problem with pigeon holing someone is:

















Holding them down long enough to chop them into small enough pieces. :juggle2:

[Al Khalifah]

Anti-Gay?
I wouldn't say a necessity of being Conservative was being 'Anti-gay.' Perhaps the belief that gay people should not be entitled to the same rights of union as opposite sex couples and perhaps should not be entitled to adopt children. Anti-gay sounds to me like you have something more generally against the existance of gay people at all.


Personal Freedom (Guns, ect.)?
While I don't presume to question our right and duty to keep and bear arms - surely this is not an issue of Freedom or not the best example of personal freedom. Somebody else's right to have firearms directly infringes on my right to walk wherever I please, similary their right to property and so on.
The more important foundation of Conservatism, in my opinion, is not an individual's rights or freedoms but rather the responsibilites imposed on others in order to maintain those rights and possibly also to prevent them being necessary. You might argue that you have the right to have firearms to protect your property which is an extension of the fact you believe you should be able to shoot someone if they tresspass onto your property. Shooting someone is a crime, but because they ignored their responsibility not to invade your private land, you exercised your right to shoot them.
This is the part of Conservatism I actually admire. It places the emphasis on the individual's responsibilty to do what they're supposed to, rather than the World-Gone-Mad attitude of being more concerned with their rights in the event that they do something wrong and with blunt intent. I'm not saying we should violently attack people just for being stupid or errors of judgement, but clearly, if you break into someone's house you are knowingly ignoring your responsbilities to society.

[AntiochusIII]

Anti-Socialist? Pro-Capitalist? Because all humans are equal, I'm superior to those who fails to recognize this fact in their own false sense of freedom that comes through oppression. They, who live in the indignity of following the Corporatist false cries of capitalism and the Imperialist fears against the historical inevitability that is socialism, must learn their ways anew lest they fail the cause of humanity. And did I mention all humans are equal?

Anti-Abortion? I hide myself behind the shield of Freedom of Choice to say : "Mind your own business" with pride and moral superiority. The real reason is actually for the benefit of all free, unmarried men. Why do you hate freedom?

Pro-"Traditional Values"? I take every opportunity to insult priests with pedophile jokes and pedophiles with Church jokes, and believe (how dare I!) that horrific gorish aggressive violence is worse than f-word, s-word, b-word, alphabet-word, etc. on TV. So no. Blame it on South "Blame Canada" Park.

Anti-Gay? Just for the purpose of this thread, I'm gonna pretend I'm gay for a minute. It's so super! You go girl! The purpose? To insult moralists with dirty stereotype gay jokes and gays with dirty stereotype redneck inbred jokes, and maintain that I have insulted nobody because I'm supposedly both. As you know, gays can't inbreed. So it's all cool to be a redneck gay. Once I'm done, it's back to pick up chicks and business as usual.

Anti-Big Government? I am the government. I am bigger than Leviathan. I need to lose some weight.

Personal Freedom (Guns, ect.)? Guns are only for those who will use them for their intended purpose: to serve me. The radicals, liberals, rebels, libertarians, anarchists, communists, fundamentalists, Nazis, insecure men with small sexual organs and big vehicles, and rednecks will have to make do with Canadian axes for now. Personal Freedom is overrated. :yes:

Am I a conservative?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Now you've just intrigued me, CR; because I fully support the 2nd Amendment and am especially fond of individual rights. The two are pretty much inseparable, in my opinion. And yet, we're at opposite ends on nearly everything else; except, perhaps, me taking small government to the extreme of no government, as such. :wink: Perhaps some additional clarification is in order?


Well, I seem to think of myself as a libertarian more than a traditional American conservative.


I, personally, support capitalism, very little government inference or regulation of your life, am a believer in tradition and I am religious.
So does Osama B , is he eligible for club membership ?
Damn , these pigeon holes don't work very well do they .

"Hello, I'm tribesman, with yet another post that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. Aren't I clever?" :rolleyes:

Crazed Rabbit

[Al Khalifah]

I'm not sure Osama B is pro-capitalist in any way shape or form. I think the hint in that one was the fact they attacked the World TRADE Centre.

[Tribesman]

"Hello, I'm tribesman, with yet another post that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. Aren't I clever?"
Osama B is a wealthy businessman so is in favour of capitalism , he certainly doesn't like government interference or regulations , he is very traditionalist and claims to be religeous , he also is fond of guns .
He has gotta be conservative then hasn't he , he fits all the criteria you use to define your conservative pigeon hole Rabbit .
Once again I add absolutely nothing to the discussion by pointing out a major flaw in applying labels to people and trying to carpmentalise their position under a single vague word like liberal or conservative .

[Crazed Rabbit]

"Hello, I'm tribesman, with yet another post that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. Aren't I clever?"
Osama B is a wealthy businessman so is in favour of capitalism ,

You're assuming. Know what we Americans say about that?


he certainly doesn't like government interference or regulations ,

What planet are you from? And what rock have you been living under there? Do you think Osama doesn't want governments enforcing Islamic laws?


He has gotta be conservative then hasn't he , he fits all the criteria you use to define your conservative pigeon hole Rabbit .

I wasn't even defining conservative with what you quoted.


Once again I add absolutely nothing to the discussion by pointing out a major flaw in applying labels to people and trying to carpmentalise their position under a single vague word like liberal or conservative .

No, you attempted to be clever but fell flat on your face becuse of your absurd example and lack of understanding regarding what you were replying to.

Crazed Rabbit

[Aenlic]

I don't wish to offend anyone; but I think it all has a very simple explanation.

We are not so far removed from the other primates that we don't still have certain very basic instinctual reactions. We also have some 2 million years of hominid savannah-walker instincts churning beneath a thin 5000-year old veneer of "civilized" behavior. Now, I don't wish to get into a vast argument about evolution and primates and whether or not the world was created some 4800 years ago as suggested by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

My point is simply that it is perfectly understandable for a primate, when feeling stressed or threatened, to seek the comfort of the group. It's deeply laid into our instincts. It's a very primate (and primal) thing to do. Perfectly natural. The difficulty comes when we get to defining the "group" within a modern context. All too often, we suddenly discover that the comforting group to which we've run for safety, expecting a bit of grooming a nice warm hug, turns out not to be chimps but a troup of baboons. Ooops! :wink:

[Papewaio]

All too often, we suddenly discover that the comforting group to which we've run for safety, expecting a bit of grooming a nice warm hug, turns out not to be chimps but a troup of baboons. Ooops! :wink:

Keep your big chimps and baboons as examples, I want the Bonobo like group. :bow:

[caravel]

So what is the point of this thread anyway? (apart from filling up the db)

Why a conservative "club"? This implies that the conservatives among us need some kind of a 'retreat' in order to group together for safety? Is there strength in numbers? So the conservatives feel the need to know their fellows? Maybe this needs to be a conservative 'hive', or conservative 'colony'? Are the conservative ideals and policies that fragile that a group is needed to add weight to argument? And this is the 14th instance? Well...

[Aenlic]

Keep your big chimps and baboons as examples, I want the Bonobo like group. :bow:

Pfft! Bonobos are too short. We all know what happens to short people. They got nobody, as the song goes. :grin:

I'd go with lemurs, they're much cuter, but it would get all confusing when that other primate, Lemur, shows up!

[Divinus Arma]

lol.

[English assassin]

Ouch!

I like elitism. I guess most who went to Imperial College, London do...

It's lonely at the top, but the view is great :wiseguy:

~:smoking:

Imperial? Terrible dump. Nearly as bad as that place in the fens.

[Divinus Arma]

ORDER! ORDER!

*Pounds Gavel*

I hereto forthwithby call this esteemed and holy club to order. Our magnamimous fellow conservative Gawain Of Orkeny is on an extended leave. In his place, I shall cite the bylaws, excuse me, *manlaws* of the Conservative Club:


Thou shalt not mention leftist liberals expect to show their folly to the world yet again.

Liberalism is to be considered a disease, and conservatism its cure.

The intrusion of leftist liberals is to be expected here. Consider them the colorful decorations; do not engage them directly, lest you disrupt the sanctity of our illustrious club.

Spectators are to be expected as well. Respect their presence, but engage them at peril- they may be a leftist liberal in disguise.

When going to the fridge for beer, you are obligated to bring a beer for everyone else.

When using the restroom, you are obligated to stop by the fridge and bring back a beer for everyone else.

Better yet, just restock the cooler when its your turn.

Don't Die.

No Fat Chicks.


All those who agree to the manlaws of the conservative club say "aye" and ye shall be entered into our rolls as a member. Break your sacred vows and ye shall be expelled, forever branded a leftist liberal in the eyes of the membership of this,

The XIV Conservative Club.

[Divinus Arma]

The First Procession, First Chapter, of Conservative Debate for this, The XIV Conservative Club begins as such:

Define what Conservatism means for you and how you came to choose Conservatism over that of Leftist Liberalism (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/eveningnews/main674120.shtml).

[Al Khalifah]

I think I already answered that one:

The most important foundation of Conservatism, in my opinion, is not an individual's rights or freedoms but rather the responsibilites imposed on others in order to maintain those rights and possibly also to prevent them being necessary. You might argue that you have the right to have firearms to protect your property which is an extension of the fact you believe you should be able to shoot someone if they tresspass onto your property. Shooting someone is a crime, but because they ignored their responsibility not to invade your private land, you exercised your right to shoot them.
This is the part of Conservatism I actually admire. It places the emphasis on the individual's responsibilty to do what they're supposed to, rather than the World-Gone-Mad attitude of being more concerned with their rights in the event that they do something wrong and with blunt intent. I'm not saying we should violently attack people just for being stupid or errors of judgement, but clearly, if you break into someone's house you are knowingly ignoring your responsbilities to society.
Like I say... I admire the way it treats people as intelligent rational beings who are capable of making decisions for themselves rather than the leftist viewpoint of little children who desperately need the Mother State to feed them and make the tough decisions for them.

[Divinus Arma]

I find the general trend of modern conservatives towards heavy-handed government-enforced moralism to be very disturbing, and counter-productive to the fundamental idea of freedom.

Mr. Gelatinous Cube, my thanks. The XIV Conservative Club shall be sure to debate the merits of religion in public policy in the future.



I admire the way it treats people as intelligent rational beings who are capable of making decisions for themselves rather than the leftist viewpoint of little children who desperately need the Mother State to feed them and make the tough decisions for them.

Does the Honorable Mr. Al Khalifah seek to join our rolls?

[Aenlic]

When going to the fridge for beer, you are obligated to bring a beer for everyone else.

When using the restroom, you are obligated to stop by the fridge and bring back a beer for everyone else.

Better yet, just restock the cooler when its your turn.


Communist ideology! Sharing the wealth! Sharing the labor! Everyone expected to provide (beer) for the mutual benefit (drunkeness) of the common good! Shame! Boo! Hiss! :grin:

[Divinus Arma]

I stocked the fridge gents. Here's a round on me. Go ahead Leftist Liberals (http://idisk.mac.com/jenlart/Public/jfk-pink.jpg), have a beer on the house. Although free, you will, however, as is your custom, be taxed at $5k per bottle in order to pay for crack-whore rehabilitation in Houston.


https://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4312/guinness164568bu.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

[Big_John]

don't know no nothing about no crack whores. and you can keep your guinness. but here's a bit of the good stuff for you poor misguided cons. beer transcends all boundaries.


https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/dem0819/triples.jpg

[Al Khalifah]

Is Petrus from the same brewry that makes Hertog Jann?

[Big_John]

i don't believe so. petrus is brouwerij bavik. hertog is it's own brewer, right?
Is Petrus from the same brewry that makes Hertog Jann?


edit: ok, enough with the beer i guess. though it does nothing but help this thread..

[caravel]

Contemplates hijacking and converting thread into a beer thread in order to try and save it... but decides against...

[Franconicus]

I do not interfere, just want to wish you good luck for your club, Eclectic!


Leftist Liberalism is to be considered a disease ...
This one makes me curious. Wasn't it Mao who considered political views as a disease? Didn't he send opponents into mental homes. Or was it Stalin? Or Hitler? Or all of them?

My memory does not serve. Maybe you can help!

[Divinus Arma]

WET T-SHIRT CONTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Divinus Arma]

RULES OF ENTRY FOR THE XIV CONSERVATIVE CLUB


1st DECLARATION WET T-SHIRT CONTEST

NO FAT CHICKS.

NO NUDITY.

NO FAT CHICKS.

NUMBER YOUR CONTESTANTS. (Arbitrary is fine, keep it sane please)

NO FAT CHICKS.

ENTRY STOPS AND VOTING BEGINS WHEN THE HONORABLE MR. ECLECTIC DEEMS APPROPRIATE.

NO FAT CHICKS.

ALL CONTESTANT ENTRIES WITH A SPECIAL RELTAIONSHIP TO CONSERVATISM WILL AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVE A FREE VOTE. THIS INCLUDES LINKS TO LIBERAL TOMFOOLERY OR CONSERVATIVE HEROICS.

AND ABOVE ALL: NO FAT CHICKS!!!!


Let the contest Commence.

[Divinus Arma]

Contestant #1:

Nice but not PG-rated.



:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: [/CENTER]

EDIT: I almost forget my free vote! The Case Against Socialism. (http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/insoc10.txt) (One of Many.)

[Banquo's Ghost]

Not being a conservative, I have kept out till now. But I couldn't help observing that the entirety of your platform appears to be alcohol abuse and objectification of women.

:stare:

:thinking:

:thumbsup:

[Banquo's Ghost]

My entry:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/aslanngrae/wet-t-shirt.jpg

Not a fat chick, no nudity etc.

And for the special bonus point, Family Values!!!

:bow:

[doc_bean]

Leftist Liberalism (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/eveningnews/main674120.shtml).[/SIZE][/I][/FONT]

Waidaminute: using less fuel, a depletable resource imported from countries hostile to the US for tons of $$$ is bad ?

:laugh4:

Seriously though, conservativism is mostly defined by what it is not: liberalism (the real kind) or socialism (and communism). It's an ideology based on the notion that the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, like communism, but interpreted differently. Perhaps 'the many' is not the right choice of words, it is more about the good of society as an abstract entity, often. It's strongest foundation is tradition, if it worked before it should work now. This often leads to a critical view towards science (like global warming), other lifestyles (homosexuals) and other cultures (like Islam). Since tradition is often tied to a nation conservativism often implies nationalism.


Liberalism, on the other hand, emphasizes personal liberty over almost anything else. It's an ideology (conservativism is much more pragmatic) and therefor not workable as a 'pure' system. With personal liberty also comes the need for personal responsibility, an aspect all too often forgotten by those calling themselves liberals these days. Liberalism is a continuation from the great thinkers of the enlightenment and often considered too intellectual by the masses.

Other left wing groups have called themselves liberals, such as environmentalists. But while a restriction on whaling can still be considered a liberal idea (to avoid extinction, taking responsibility and acknowledging our influence on nature) several other fringe groups defending vegetarianism or trying to ban all hunting are definitely not liberals.

Socialism is another idealogy and in some ways seems opposite to liberalism. The basic idea is that through uniting and working towards a common goal a group can become more than the sum of its individuals. While conservativism emphasizes the duty of a person towards society, socialism often emphasizes the duty of society towards the individual. Like liberalism it needs a pragmatic implementation to work.

[doc_bean]

My entry:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/aslanngrae/wet-t-shirt.jpg

Not a fat chick, no nudity etc.

And for the special bonus point, Family Values!!!

:bow:

Did he just take a piss ? :laugh4:

[Banquo's Ghost]

*opens the closet door a crack*

Psst, Doc! This is the Conservative Club. Thinking ain't allowed. They just wanna have fun...

Get back in the closet with the rest of us pinkos. We stole their Cheetos :grin:

:wink:

[Banquo's Ghost]

Did he just take a piss ? :laugh4:

Taking the piss is what conservatism is all about. I think I should get another bonus point. :bounce:

[Al Khalifah]

Seriously though, conservativism is mostly defined by what it is not: liberalism (the real kind) or socialism (and communism).

Alternatively, the leftist ideology can be defined in terms of what it is not: Conservatism and since the principles are derived from natural rights, it seems to me that it was around first as well.
Your argument is dualist.

[doc_bean]

Alternatively, the leftist ideology can be defined in terms of what it is not: Conservatism and since the principles are derived from natural rights, it seems to me that it was around first as well.
Your argument is dualist.

I thought about this. I found my way of defining it easier. Note that I did give an actual explanation with as little referral to the other systems as well.

Conservatism can hardly be called an ideology. It's a collection of ideologies (most notably capitalism) and tradition (often inspired by Christianty). Liberalism and socialism are ideologies, abstract concepts of a 'perfect' world.

O, and the natural rights thing is essentially liberalism :laugh4:

Actually, parts of true liberalism is a (small) part of conservatism, but don't let that spoil the fun

[Reverend Joe]

Hilarious. :laugh4: Abd thank you, DA, but I have all I need right here:

https://img272.imageshack.us/img272/8751/patronsilver6ds.jpg
Tequila,

https://img272.imageshack.us/img272/407/grass5rd.jpg
Grass,

https://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7369/30578wh.jpg
and cheeseburgers.

[Vladimir]

https://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7369/30578wh.jpg
and cheeseburgers.

~:eek:

What?! Where!?! Please tell me now!

[Divinus Arma]

Whoah..those are huge! But she's not all that hot.. 5 out of 10!
This is the post that contains inaccurate information ~;)



That's a costume. They are plastic in a thin-material shirt. LOL!

[Lemur]

They're not fat, just big-boned.


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/wetswim2.jpg



https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/wetswim.jpg

[Divinus Arma]

Remember. The leftist liberals (http://66.178.131.4/jockpics/J64/alan_combs.gif) are nothing more than wallpaper and decorations in our illustrious club.

Fear not.

But where are our fellow Conservatives? HAs the Org really bent this far to the left?

[Byzantine Prince]

Hee Heee hee. Don't skured of the pressssssss.

https://img321.imageshack.us/img321/5093/wigstock1b1mr.jpg

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Define what Conservatism means for you and how you came to choose Conservatism over that of Leftist Liberalism.

Well, I was raised conservative for the most part (my dad being one of those right-wing riff-raff types, according to my mom). I'm also naturally conservative, "small c." Change without a good reason is not a good thing, and a respect for tradition is healthy, as long as the tradition in question isn't obviously wrong. Applying that to politics I'm pro-small-government, actually pro-1783-America except for the whole slavery and women can't vote part.

[Papewaio]

Gentlemen this is a PG site as such they violate that rule.

The babe thread was made for (less explicit) posts so people who post from work know they can safely surf the rest of the Org without having to see those posts (work, family etc).


Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. Posting of copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you or by The Guild, is discouraged. The Guild expects its patrons to remain civil even in the face of disagreements. Any kind of "flaming", slurs or insults adressed to an individual or a group is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times.

[Divinus Arma]

Well. That was fun for a day.

Even the costume got removed. :laugh4:

Hmmmm. Okay, well.


PUSSY PARTY!!!




https://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4421/ruralkitten1bl.jpg (https://imageshack.us)


And here is a wet one:

https://img206.imageshack.us/img206/940/catwetcloseup1ei.jpg (https://imageshack.us)


Main Entry: 1pussy
Pronunciation: 'pu-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural puss·ies
Etymology: 1puss
1 : CAT
2 : a catkin of the pussy willow

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

[Aenlic]

You should include the movie clip on CNN's web site now, about the one which survived an encounter with a tree chipper. Luckiest darn pussy on the planet! :wink:

[Lemur]

I'm passing on a letter Andrew Sullivan (http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/07/a_conservative_.html) just published. It does a very good job of summarizing how the word "conservative" has been bent and twisted until it is worse than meaningless in the U.S.

I don't consider you a conservative anymore either, for the same reasons I don't consider myself one anymore. In this day, in this country, to be a conservative is to buy into a program of relativism and deconstructionism (scientific knowledge in evolution and climate science is just one "perspective" or is totally unreliable because scientists are a bunch of liberals and science is just a political agenda). To be a conservative is to believe that good government rests on the personal character and godliness of an unshackled executive, not on the time-tested processes and institutions of democracy. To be a conservative is to let your worst enemies dictate your moral values. To be a conservative is to believe that insufficiently conservative judges are enemies of America and should be eliminated or marginalized as illegitimate.

Above all, to be a conservative is to use the power of the government to Christianize Americans and the US government to the greatest extent possible.

Andrew, today liberals are the better defenders of the enlightenment. Conservatives are the enemies of the enlightenment. So you want to cut entitlements? Pardon my French, but big f***ing deal. You want to cut entitlements because you have weighed the evidence of their effectiveness and found it lacking. You're still part of the democratic machine and you still respect democratic reasoning.

Conservatives aren't as quaintly obsessed with evidence and balancing costs and benefits as you are. They want to cut benefits on principle, no matter what. They want to slash taxes as a first principle, expensive wars and basic human decency be damned. They are not rational decision makers in the sense that they distinguish between effective and ineffective programs. The slash taxes, period - no thinking required.

And - this isn't a minor point - they don't actually cut entitlements. They expand them. So there goes that argument.

My choice - and yours - is to join up with a reality-based community that trusts expertise, democratic processes, and established institutions and makes fact-based decisions (these days called liberals), or to join up with a community of relativistic mystics who are not open to reason or persuasion, distrust democracy, reject standards of behavior because they believe themselves to be inherently godly, and have no use for traditional democratic institutions. These tradition-despising relativistic mystics we call conservatives.

Andrew, you and I have much more in common with the liberals. Because they're more conservative.

[Divinus Arma]

I understand the difficulty in understsanding the actions of the Republican Party. And I agree with much of what has been written, if only in essence.

You see, there are some who have expressed themsleves as Christian under the banner of Conservatism, and Conservative under the banner of Christiandom. The truth is that those who use Christianity itself as a political tool are ultimately going to betray their principles as conservatives.

Under the guise of Christianity, some Republicans take actions that are unacceptable to the majority. Thus it becomes a tyranny of the minority.

However, Democrats are much much more dangerous to the United Sates system of Capitalism and personal property rights. Remember, it was leftist-inspired interpretation (By a Republican-controlled Supreme Court, if you consider Souter a Republican of course) of the constituion that led to the New London decision, destroying the right to private property in the United States. And it was liberal (loose, broad, sweeping, and speculative) interpretation of the constituion over years that has ultimately raped states of their sovereign rights and created a one-state nation under the commerce clause-supremacy clause combination.

This is not THE REPUBLICAN club. It's the Conservative Club. You don't have to be a right-wing fascist Christian Extremist to believe that the government that governs least governs best, or that power distributed is power accountable.

The problem is the Republican Party has elements who believe in a variety of applications of conservatism. That is something I am willing to accept.

The alternative is far far worse. The Democrats blatantly and clearly wish to consolidate power into the hands of very few while slowly implementing a leftist-leaning economy.


What is liberalism to me? Liberalism is bending the rules to fit your agenda. Liberals change the law or interpret the law in order to allow for behavior or activity that would otherwsie be unconstituional, unethical, and/or illegal.

Liberal judges free criminals and overturn rulings on bizzare merits. Liberal legislators seek as much power for the government as they possibly can, and when they are unable to, they then turn to the courts to expand their power.

Social conservatives are frustrated because this country's daughters are turning into whores because of the permissive culture. Feminism has destroyed the right of a mother to just be a mother and be proud of that. No, now women have to lawyers or Doctors or something else to matter, accoring to the feminazis. Don't get me wrong, I believe that women are the intelectual equal of men, and hold every bit as much ability and talent. But now a woman cannot even self-respect herself if she chooses to be a moral support for the family system. Thanks to liberals, women are required to do just a few activities in order to succeed in society: Screw or act like a man.

It's bull. And look at our kids. Nobody dates or considers the character of another person. They "hook up". Hell even I did it before I was married. Screw first, date later. And it's a frickin crying shame. And how are parents supposed to control their kids? Kids have no respect for the parents who work their butts off to care for 'em. But what can the parents do? NOT A DAMN THING. Thanks to the damn liberals who have screwed it up for all of us. I'm not advocating abuse by any means, but hell, at least a man could teach his boy a lesson once upon a time. Nowadays, some little whiney brat gets slapped by mom, and all the liberal feminazis call the cops.

And what about freedom of speech? Nowadays, you have to be so politically correct you can't even give an honest opinion with out people getting all whiney about racisim or sexism. For christ's sake, I'm not interested in tearing people down; I want to build them up and watch 'em stand on their own two feet with personal responsibility.

And that's the bottom line right there. Personal responsibility. At the end of the day, the Conservatives of all stripes within the Republican party agree that human beings have the right and obligation of personal responsibility. That just is not the case with leftist liberals who refuse to acnkowledge that people are responsible for their owv actions. In the view of the liberal, the government is ultimately responsible for everyone else. "The government knows best".

I believe in the natural ability of the human being to prosper and thrive. I trust people to do the right thing. I count on families, individuals, and parents to make the right choice for themselves and their families. And that's why I can stick to my guns in a leftist-leaning forum like this; in a culture corrupted by MTV, urban gang rap, and instant gratification.

I can't count on the Democrats to preserve these values. So I will do what I have to do, and fight within the party choice that I have in order preserve the values of conservatism against its enemies.

[Divinus Arma]

Look, you can't call for less restrictions on business, less taxes, less government power, while at the same time calling for peoples' social actions, thoughts, and expressions to be limited. It is not morally reconciliable at all.

It is perfectly fine to be disgusted with modern culture, but as someone who has grown up in it I can tell you most people grow out of it. It's no different than your culture was to your parents. Trying to put restrictions on culture and expression, however gross those things may be, is a far, far more fundamentally "lefty" thing to do, for it requires a government invasion into not just businesses, but private lives.

Along those lines, however, I think parents should be allowed to spank their kids and enforce stronger punishments to avert these morally questionable acts. An intrusion into the family is as bad as an intrustion into culture.

hey woah woah woah. I'm not saying we should BAN anything or outlaw it. I'm saying that our culture is degrading because the ability of our parents to be parents has been neutered. I'm saying that our social values have been destoryed because teachers are afraid of students. It is NOT the responsibility of the government to criminalize this behavior. But yet the liberals think it is the governments responsibility to raise our kids. "It takes a village", my arse.

De-criminalize pot for all I care. But parents should have the ability to teach and control theri kids.

Nowadays parents have two options: verbal compliance, or law enforcement.

That is IT.

edit: And what's more, think abvout who restricts behavior: Conservatives? NOPE. That's right its the liberals who have made it miserable for a female to be a female. It is the liberal who keep the black man down so he can stand on his back for a podium. It is the liberal who inhibits your ability to speak by calling it "offensive". Since when was offensive equal to criminal, damnnit?

[barocca]

Lemur has violated the fat chick non-proliferation treaty! I put forth a motion to put sanctions on the people of Lemur.
i second the motion

may i also suggest the sanction involve having to flannel bath the ladies in the pics he posted

[Vladimir]

eww. I finally read this to the end and I wish I hadn't. :no:

[Divinus Arma]

TRAGEDY STRIKES THE SOUTH

The Honorable Mr. Strike For The South, of the Texas Alliance Currently confused by the leftist liberal machine. Favors Palestinian terrorists to Israeli Democracy and voted "left" on which side one swings. :shame: Of Course, he had never really said "Aye" to entrance either. I am sure the leftists shall welcome you. Surely our beloved Texas cannot. You will be missed.

I heretofore call forth a vote to determine proper action. Shall SFTS be deemed a youthful hippy, corrupted by the influences of Music Television, Marijuana, and Org leftists? :laugh4:

[Strike For The South]

I dont watch the MTV (to much negro jumparound) and dont smoke teh weed. Not to mention Texas is a state of free thinkers. If the org leftsits want a youthful hippy Ill give one of me boys. He did acid this weekend and talked to Hendrix in black & white. Now he is a hippy:dizzy2: Last but not least not only am I the smartest nicest and funniest member on this borad I am also the best looking, Yall cant survive without me. Yall all a buch of Cheneys and Im the McCain:laugh4:

[Byzantine Prince]

Social conservatives are frustrated because this country's daughters are turning into whores because of the permissive culture. Feminism has destroyed the right of a mother to just be a mother and be proud of that. No, now women have to lawyers or Doctors or something else to matter, accoring to the feminazis. Don't get me wrong, I believe that women are the intelectual equal of men, and hold every bit as much ability and talent. But now a woman cannot even self-respect herself if she chooses to be a moral support for the family system. Thanks to liberals, women are required to do just a few activities in order to succeed in society: Screw or act like a man.
Shoot your TV then. TV and movies are the main platforms to our mostly crap popular culture. If you want your little girl growing to be a mother and be a good wife one day then teach her those values by example yourself, and don't allow her "friends" and TV to influence her.


It's bull. And look at our kids. Nobody dates or considers the character of another person.
That says a lot about the character of BOTH the people hooking up. I don't think this is anything new though. I think it is more worrysome today only because it is flaunted on TV.


And what about freedom of speech? Nowadays, you have to be so politically correct you can't even give an honest opinion with out people getting all whiney about racisim or sexism. For christ's sake, I'm not interested in tearing people down; I want to build them up and watch 'em stand on their own two feet with personal responsibility.
I think there is a lot of brainwashing going on on both sides of the fence. I can't say there is a solution to this though. It is well known that the majority of people will always be douchbags.


That just is not the case with leftist liberals who refuse to acnkowledge that people are responsible for their owv actions.
Well you can't have much personal responsibility when you are drugs, can you?


I believe in the natural ability of the human being to prosper and thrive. I trust people to do the right thing.
LOl.

[solypsist]

for your Conservative edification:

who's making what at the white house (http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2006/0711nj1.htm)

and the 4 most overpaid:
Deborah Nirmala Misir Ethics Advisor $114,688
Erica M. Dornburg Ethics Advisor $100,547
Stuart Baker Director for Lessons Learned $106,641
Melissa M. Carson Director of Fact Checking $46,500

yes, there really is a Lessons Learned dept.

[Divinus Arma]

for your Conservative edification:

who's making what at the white house (http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2006/0711nj1.htm)

and the 4 most overpaid:
Deborah Nirmala Misir Ethics Advisor $114,688
Erica M. Dornburg Ethics Advisor $100,547
Stuart Baker Director for Lessons Learned $106,641
Melissa M. Carson Director of Fact Checking $46,500

yes, there really is a Lessons Learned dept.

And what is your complaint? That the Bush Administration has organized a group of experts who can analyze organizational decision making in mid-to-executive levels for the purpose of improving efficieny? We have this in the military too. Is your problem with the pay? Unless you sit at their desk and do their job, I really don't think you have a leg to stand on. Those uneducated in executive level analysis or management have no understanding of the complexity involved. As a graduate student myself, I thought I knew it all when I had just a high school education. Once I got my BA, I started to really realize that how little I know. Now I realize I don't know squat. The more I learn, the more it occurs to me just how much more there is to learn.

[solypsist]

calm down. im not complaining nor am i "invading" your little thread. just posting something i found interesting. relax.


And what is your complaint? That the Bush Administration has organized a group of experts who can analyze organizational decision making in mid-to-executive levels for the purpose of improving efficieny? We have this in the military too. Is your problem with the pay? Unless you sit at their desk and do their job, I really don't think you have a leg to stand on. Those uneducated in executive level analysis or management have no understanding of the complexity involved. As a graduate student myself, I thought I knew it all when I had just a high school education. Once I got my BA, I started to really realize that how little I know. Now I realize I don't know squat. The more I learn, the more it occurs to me just how much more there is to learn.

[Divinus Arma]

Sadly, text communication fails to present the mood of the author. I'm good. No anger here. Just commenting on the comment.

[Vladimir]

for your Conservative edification:

who's making what at the white house (http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2006/0711nj1.htm)

and the 4 most overpaid:
Deborah Nirmala Misir Ethics Advisor $114,688
Erica M. Dornburg Ethics Advisor $100,547
Stuart Baker Director for Lessons Learned $106,641
Melissa M. Carson Director of Fact Checking $46,500

yes, there really is a Lessons Learned dept.

I'm a low level peon in government service and those salaries seem right. I think you're forgetting the cost of living adjustment here. By their pay I'm guessing the first three are in their early to late 40's with several years experience.

How much do members of congress make? They also get the free perks associated with their job. These people are at the top of the government, how much do you think they should make?

Same with DivE, no animosity here. Some of your comments I find wacky but this is good information. It's just the analysis that's off. How does this relate to conservativism?

[Ser Clegane]

I'm a low level peon in government service and those salaries seem right. I think you're forgetting the cost of living adjustment here. By their pay I'm guessing the first three are in their early to late 40's with several years experience.

I think you were missing the irony...

[Vladimir]

In less it was a lessons learned joke I don't think so. Maybe it was a Bush as a conservative joke, or perhaps the irony of government employees earning below market value salaries. Hmm, no? :stupido2:

[whyidie]

I understand the difficulty in understsanding the actions of the Republican Party. And I agree with much of what has been written, if only in essence.

You see, there are some who have expressed themsleves as Christian under the banner of Conservatism, and Conservative under the banner of Christiandom. The truth is that those who use Christianity itself as a political tool are ultimately going to betray their principles as conservatives.

Under the guise of Christianity, some Republicans take actions that are unacceptable to the majority. Thus it becomes a tyranny of the minority.

However, Democrats are much much more dangerous to the United Sates system of Capitalism and personal property rights. Remember, it was leftist-inspired interpretation (By a Republican-controlled Supreme Court, if you consider Souter a Republican of course) of the constituion that led to the New London decision, destroying the right to private property in the United States. And it was liberal (loose, broad, sweeping, and speculative) interpretation of the constituion over years that has ultimately raped states of their sovereign rights and created a one-state nation under the commerce clause-supremacy clause combination.

This is not THE REPUBLICAN club. It's the Conservative Club. You don't have to be a right-wing fascist Christian Extremist to believe that the government that governs least governs best, or that power distributed is power accountable.

The problem is the Republican Party has elements who believe in a variety of applications of conservatism. That is something I am willing to accept.

The alternative is far far worse. The Democrats blatantly and clearly wish to consolidate power into the hands of very few while slowly implementing a leftist-leaning economy.


What is liberalism to me? Liberalism is bending the rules to fit your agenda. Liberals change the law or interpret the law in order to allow for behavior or activity that would otherwsie be unconstituional, unethical, and/or illegal.

Liberal judges free criminals and overturn rulings on bizzare merits. Liberal legislators seek as much power for the government as they possibly can, and when they are unable to, they then turn to the courts to expand their power.

Social conservatives are frustrated because this country's daughters are turning into whores because of the permissive culture. Feminism has destroyed the right of a mother to just be a mother and be proud of that. No, now women have to lawyers or Doctors or something else to matter, accoring to the feminazis. Don't get me wrong, I believe that women are the intelectual equal of men, and hold every bit as much ability and talent. But now a woman cannot even self-respect herself if she chooses to be a moral support for the family system. Thanks to liberals, women are required to do just a few activities in order to succeed in society: Screw or act like a man.

It's bull. And look at our kids. Nobody dates or considers the character of another person. They "hook up". Hell even I did it before I was married. Screw first, date later. And it's a frickin crying shame. And how are parents supposed to control their kids? Kids have no respect for the parents who work their butts off to care for 'em. But what can the parents do? NOT A DAMN THING. Thanks to the damn liberals who have screwed it up for all of us. I'm not advocating abuse by any means, but hell, at least a man could teach his boy a lesson once upon a time. Nowadays, some little whiney brat gets slapped by mom, and all the liberal feminazis call the cops.

And what about freedom of speech? Nowadays, you have to be so politically correct you can't even give an honest opinion with out people getting all whiney about racisim or sexism. For christ's sake, I'm not interested in tearing people down; I want to build them up and watch 'em stand on their own two feet with personal responsibility.

And that's the bottom line right there. Personal responsibility. At the end of the day, the Conservatives of all stripes within the Republican party agree that human beings have the right and obligation of personal responsibility. That just is not the case with leftist liberals who refuse to acnkowledge that people are responsible for their owv actions. In the view of the liberal, the government is ultimately responsible for everyone else. "The government knows best".

I believe in the natural ability of the human being to prosper and thrive. I trust people to do the right thing. I count on families, individuals, and parents to make the right choice for themselves and their families. And that's why I can stick to my guns in a leftist-leaning forum like this; in a culture corrupted by MTV, urban gang rap, and instant gratification.

I can't count on the Democrats to preserve these values. So I will do what I have to do, and fight within the party choice that I have in order preserve the values of conservatism against its enemies.

Your thoughts are like a bucket of chum. Vaguley recongizable shapes and forms but on the whole something I'd rather use as bait than nourishment.

This could be because of a lack of familiarity on my part or because of your unique view.

Celebrate your uniqueness! ~:cheers:

[Divinus Arma]

Your thoughts are like a bucket of chum. Vaguley recongizable shapes and forms but on the whole something I'd rather use as bait than nourishment.

This could be because of a lack of familiarity on my part or because of your unique view.

Celebrate your uniqueness! ~:cheers:

Welcome to the backroom.

[Vladimir]

Ditto. He'll fit right in. :2thumbsup: :laugh4:

[Reverend Joe]

Your thoughts are like a bucket of chum. Vaguley recongizable shapes and forms but on the whole something I'd rather use as bait than nourishment.

This could be because of a lack of familiarity on my part or because of your unique view.

Celebrate your uniqueness! ~:cheers:

Ha ha! You said "Chum." That's a funny word... Chum. :laugh4:

Welcome to the backroom, sir, an abode of drunks, extremists and misfits. I hope you brought your baseball bat, helmet, and bottle of tequila.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

See, the conservatives bring guns instead of a baseball bat. But only because we're outnumbered. ~;p

[whyidie]

Thank you for the warm welcome gentlemen!

The colors a bit off but please accept these as a gesture of good will:

:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

[Divinus Arma]

Thank you for the warm welcome gentlemen!

The colors a bit off but please accept these as a gesture of good will:

:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:


Puppet perhaps?

[whyidie]

Puppet perhaps?


Closest the forum had to this guy...although I suspect quite a few of the Conservative Club members aren't too fond of him either.

http://www.cupclings.com/shop/elephant.png

[Reverend Joe]

HEY!

Pape: Sorry as much as I like the picture. All pics of that nature are now confined to the babe thread.

:director: WAKE UP!

There's a "Hunk" thread back here... where are you guys?!