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Divinus Arma
08-09-2006, 09:49
Well? nip or no nip?
Here's a new article on the topic:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article1217831.ece
There is another message board that I frequent and circumcision threads are banned because they always turn into flame wars for some reason.
If you are a desert nomad with poor access to washing facilities it is probably a good idea. For the rest of us - don't bother.
Major Robert Dump
08-09-2006, 10:03
Circumsized penises have more character
Less sensitivity however.
rory_20_uk
08-09-2006, 11:14
Less chance of contracting STDs, especially AIDS.
Generally more hygenic
Reduces risk of cancer (although pretty low in the first place).
Less sensitivity is better, surely? There are some journeys that where the fun is getting there.
~:smoking:
Reenk Roink
08-09-2006, 14:26
http://www.medicirc.org/major_benefits.html
http://familydoctor.org/042.xml
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=51742
The benefits are there, but their degree is disputed...
Guess it's mainly up to personal choice...
Silver Rusher
08-09-2006, 14:33
Sure, it has benefits, but at the end of the day I don't think too many of us want the chop for obvious reasons, unless it has been given at birth (then again, I'm sure they wouldn't have wanted it in the first place)
I decided that I would be the last lemur with a chopped Johnson. The little lemurs are safe from the knife.
Don Corleone
08-09-2006, 14:48
Less sensitivity however.
Yeah, you can last longer for your old lady. Who wants to be known as 'Johnny 2 Seconds'?
Besides, anecdotally, I thought that having a foreskin increased your chances for contracting venereal diseases (and for some unknown reason, cancer).
Edit: Oops, missed Reenk's post. Sorry about that.
Less chance of contracting STDs, especially AIDS.
Generally more hygenic
Reduces risk of cancer (although pretty low in the first place).
Less sensitivity is better, surely? There are some journeys that where the fun is getting there.
~:smoking:
I go with evolution on this one.
I didn't have a choice. I grew up thinking mine looked normal (small, but normal). Everyone else I've ever seen (this may sound bad, but really it isn't) had the little one chopped. However, assuming I reproduce, I think I'll let my male heirs make that decision, for better or worse.
Ja'chyra
08-09-2006, 15:33
The words scapel and wanger should never be in the same sentence..................:dizzy2: unless it's to say they shouldn't be in the same sentence :oops:
Anyway, who wants to last longer when there's TV to be watched :inquisitive: If you do want to last longer just drink vodka, always works for me.
ICantSpellDawg
08-09-2006, 15:44
well the jews do it and they have the power to start all the wars in the world.
whats good enough for jews is good enough for me.
The Spartan (Returns)
08-09-2006, 15:53
since im fillipino-american, i was already chopped when i just came out of the world.
Don Corleone
08-09-2006, 15:54
Just out of curiosity, Idaho... how does this particular topic end up turning into a flame war? Do people start insisting that the other side adopt their position?
I will say (and I'm actually pro-circumcision) I find it amusing how upset women get over the topic of female circumcision (even among baby girls) yet don't even think twice about lopping off the tip of their little boys' willies.
English assassin
08-09-2006, 17:37
If you do want to last longer just drink vodka, always works for me.
Or you could try thinking about your wife, instead of her sister...
Idaho, while you are answering DC's question, could you also explain what you are doing on chatboards where penises are such a regular topic of conversation that you have rules as to what aspects of penile affairs can and cannot be safely discussed?
As to the qu, I couldn't care less about your John Thomases, and I am perfectly happy with mine the way it is.
Sasaki Kojiro
08-09-2006, 18:38
Just out of curiosity, Idaho... how does this particular topic end up turning into a flame war? Do people start insisting that the other side adopt their position?
I will say (and I'm actually pro-circumcision) I find it amusing how upset women get over the topic of female circumcision (even among baby girls) yet don't even think twice about lopping off the tip of their little boys' willies.
Female circumcision is more like castration. Involves removal rather than just a snip. Bit of a misnomer really.
Divinus Arma
08-09-2006, 18:40
Female circumcision removes the hood protecting the clitoris. It does not remove the actual clitoris.
edit: clitoridotomy vs. clitoridectomy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision) Wiki rocks.
A study published last month calculated that if all men in sub-Saharan Africa were circumcised, it would prevent almost six million new cases of HIV infection and save three million lives over the next 20 years.
Damn! It should be a parental choice, although I do think one method is superior to the other.
Devastatin Dave
08-09-2006, 20:50
I like my snip. I'll draw eyes on him and play puppet show for the wife. Sometimes I throw some feathers on the base and play ostrich with her as well. :2thumbsup:
Don Corleone
08-09-2006, 20:54
I like my snip. I'll draw eyes on him and play puppet show for the wife. Sometimes I throw some feathers on the base and play ostrich with her as well. :2thumbsup:
And here all this time, I've just playing 'hide the salami' with Mrs. Corleone. Funny, she never seemed all that interested in puppets or ostriches. Must be a Georgia thing. :laugh4:
M'eh. Some people say it traumatises the child. I was upset when I found out what circumcision meant, but it's no big deal. I have no problem with genital mutilation, but it's your kid.
Devastatin Dave
08-09-2006, 21:00
. Must be a Georgia thing. :laugh4:
You should see what I do with grits and moon pies!!!
Strike For The South
08-09-2006, 21:02
Grits are horrible:no:
Just to throw a little more out there -- my little lemur can always get circumcised, if he likes, when he grows up. You can always take away, but you can never put it back.
Reason enough to leave his willie alone.
Sasaki Kojiro
08-09-2006, 22:05
Just to throw a little more out there -- my little lemur can always get circumcised, if he likes, when he grows up. You can always take away, but you can never put it back.
Reason enough to leave his willie alone.
It's not a big deal for a baby, but for an adult it's a major ordeal. I believe one of the reasons circumcision became popular was that there is a chance they would have to get it for medical reasons later, and no one wanted to put them through that.
The study in question is flawed because the circumcised men were advised and got into the habit of using condoms and the number and rate of seropositive test results among the circumcised has risen quite rapidly after the study.
http://www.circumstitions.com/HIV-SA.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,,1836572,00.html
The College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia, CPA, BMA and BAPA take the stance of actualy discouraging routine circumcision. The AMA and AAP are more neutral but do not recommend routine circumcision either.
If anyone on this forum have greater resources and medical know-how than the combined recommendations of the CPS, AAP, AMA, BMA, BAPA I'm all ears.
Watch a video of a baby being circumcised. Trust me, it's a big deal for them. Just because they don't remember it later doesn't obviate the screaming and apparent agony they face when they're chopped. At least as an adult you can get anesthesia -- which is not available for a newborn.
Honestly, I think the practice is barbaric. What reading I did when I was faced with this question indicated that the popularity of circumcision in 20th century America had a lot to do with early-century anti-masturbation hysteria.
If there's real interest, I'll dig up my old research and post it here.
Honestly, I think the practice is barbaric.
Not really pertinent at all, but I do think this position is hilarious.
Pannonian
08-10-2006, 01:37
Post by Gorebag
I don't know why, but I find your name amusing in juxtaposition with the thread subject. An operation gone wrong, perhaps?
What did it say before the edit?
I'm just pleased that I can provide GoreBag with some amusement. Mission accomplished!
Pannonian
08-10-2006, 04:08
What did it say before the edit?
I used empty quotes=Gorebag, but it didn't appear properly onscreen.
Gotcha.
Thank you for inquiring about my genitals. Business hours are 1800 to 0300. However, there was no botched operation, as I'm sure you'll be pleased to know, so you'll have to strain a little harder to figure the pseudonym out, I guess.
No way man. Live free or die.
Samurai Waki
08-10-2006, 05:16
...Personally. I like the fact that I can go longer than A LOT of guys out there (friends not cut). It makes the sex good, plus I don't think a 10 minute Quickie would do anything for me, partially because It's more amusing for me to see her orgasm than for me too...Not too mention that without the foreskin it looks big and bold, instead of looking like a hooded viper ready to strike :laugh4:
Anybody remember those silly Viper car alarms? "Step away! This vehicle is protected by VIPER!"
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/viper.jpg
Sorry, couldn't resist.
No chop, ever. Nor for my man children. Based solely on the experience of my brother. Who under went the snippy snip about 2 years ago. He did it as he found out he had some condition where a build up of scar tissue on the inside of the fore skin prevented full retraction of said fore skin. He also said that it runs between brothers. But I've never once in my life retracted my fore skin, ever.
Anyway he said that without the vipers hood sex isn't as good.
Samurai Waki
08-10-2006, 07:22
meh. I go for endurance and longetivity... If you can get your woman to go in 5 minutes, be my guest, but chances are it ain't gonna happen.
Glory to the mad hatter, when I wake up I need something to sniff.
Divinus Arma
08-10-2006, 08:40
But I've never once in my life retracted my fore skin, ever.
Wait a second. What?!?!? Did I read this correctly? Did you just write that you have an uncircumcised penis and you have NEVER pulled it back?
How do you wash the underside of the cliffs? You gotta scrub man! Jesus go to a DOCTOR tomorrow!!! You could have like, rot or fungus, or something worse. That smegma must have built up over a lifetime, GAH!
Not trying to be mean at all- just sanitary!
Wait a second. What?!?!? Did I read this correctly? Did you just write that you have an uncircumcised penis and you have NEVER pulled it back?
How do you wash the underside of the cliffs? You gotta scrub man! !
That's so cheesy ~;)
English assassin
08-10-2006, 11:07
If you can get your woman to go in 5 minutes, be my guest, but chances are it ain't gonna happen
Five minutes? That's twice, AND time for the fag afterwards.
(NB US posters in the UK fag=cigarette, but Dev dave can believe what he likes)
This is just too funny…
What was it you Americans called the uncircumcised? Oh I remember “windsocks“. :laugh4:
English assassin
08-10-2006, 11:59
Its "Cavaliers" in the UK, and "Roundheads" for those that had the snip.
A cavalier yesterday: http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/h/hals/frans/02-1626/16nolaug.html and his roundhead opponent: http://www.lichfield.gov.uk/heritage/images/roundhead.jpg
Observe the headgear...
Watch a video of a baby being circumcised. Trust me, it's a big deal for them. Just because they don't remember it later doesn't obviate the screaming and apparent agony they face when they're chopped. At least as an adult you can get anesthesia -- which is not available for a newborn.
Honestly, I think the practice is barbaric. What reading I did when I was faced with this question indicated that the popularity of circumcision in 20th century America had a lot to do with early-century anti-masturbation hysteria.
If there's real interest, I'll dig up my old research and post it here.
Agree 100%. Circumcision is in fact pointless mutilation.
meh. I go for endurance and longetivity... If you can get your woman to go in 5 minutes, be my guest, but chances are it ain't gonna happen.
You realize that less than half of women can achieve the pleasure moment via vaginal stinulation only? For most of them you gotta push the love button a few times.
So foreplay>pumping away for half an hour.
Wait a second. What?!?!? Did I read this correctly? Did you just write that you have an uncircumcised penis and you have NEVER pulled it back?
How do you wash the underside of the cliffs? You gotta scrub man! Jesus go to a DOCTOR tomorrow!!! You could have like, rot or fungus, or something worse. That smegma must have built up over a lifetime, GAH!
Not trying to be mean at all- just sanitary!
Simple I don't. Never had a problem either. And it's not like anyone every gave me a diagram of what a fully retracted foreskin looks like. So I have no idea what it looks like. I'm a visual learner.
And the sensitivity of said area would mean that I probably wouldn't want to try. I can't put things in my belly button for the same reasons.
It's my understanding that women prefer wacked weenies but not to the extent lorena likes em
He did it as he found out he had some condition where a build up of scar tissue on the inside of the fore skin prevented full retraction of said fore skin. He also said that it runs between brothers. But I've never once in my life retracted my fore skin, ever.
Balanoposthitis. Circumcision is in fact not required for this. Surgical stretching combined with the application of an anti inflammatory is sufficient. The scar tissue causes the foreskin to become much less elastic making retraction difficult but not always impossible.
As to the retraction and cleaning thing, I'm afraid Eclectic is quite correct, it is a necessity not an option. You are literally an infection timebomb waiting to go off. If you find your foreskin to be non retractable Balanoposthitis could also be your problem. You really should see your physician.
doc_bean
08-10-2006, 17:04
Five minutes? That's twice, AND time for the fag afterwards.
MTE, except that I don't smoke.
While I don't think foreskin is the greatest thing ever, I don't see why I should take away what God has given me. And since I'm monogamous, I don't have to worry about HIV too much.
Why are some of the same people who are always defending abstinence and such now pro-mutilation since it would reduce the risk of getting HIV ?
I heard the cleaning can be a problem for some, but then I also read about a guy who got a botched snip and lost way more than I'd ever be willing to risk. :sweatdrop:
And it makes masturbation easier.
And it makes masturbation easier.
Which is why the old school bible bashers in the US were so anti foreskin... ~:0
And still are...
Silver Rusher
08-10-2006, 17:39
Simple I don't. Never had a problem either. And it's not like anyone every gave me a diagram of what a fully retracted foreskin looks like. So I have no idea what it looks like. I'm a visual learner.
Trust me, you will have a huge problem with what it looks like. When your curiosity overcomes you so much that you decide to resist the pain and go for it, you will be utterly shocked by what the diagrams don't show you. Unless you are particularly found of rotting camembert.
And if you can't pull back, see a doctor as Caravel says. The longer you leave it, the more horrific it's gonna get, trust me.
Back to the general topic of this wonderful conversation, if you wanna last longer, have sex several nights in a row. And if you are incapable of that, masturbate several nights in a row. The time just keeps piling up. No need for circumcision.
Kralizec
08-10-2006, 17:45
And it makes masturbation easier.
I know a guy who was circumsized as a kid and who confided me that he masturbates 3 times a day (happy me...)
no, he's not in the military.
Banquo's Ghost
08-10-2006, 18:12
And it makes masturbation easier.
Which is why the old school bible bashers in the US were so anti foreskin... ~:0
As opposed to the old school bishop bashers :wink:
Balanoposthitis. Circumcision is in fact not required for this. Surgical stretching combined with the application of an anti inflammatory is sufficient. The scar tissue causes the foreskin to become much less elastic making retraction difficult but not always impossible.
I think that's it. But knowing my brother and his tendency to make snap decisions based on what's easier without regard to the long term concequences. Would explain why he went for the snip snip. And the doctor probably talked him into it.
As to the retraction and cleaning thing, I'm afraid Eclectic is quite correct, it is a necessity not an option. You are literally an infection timebomb waiting to go off. If you find your foreskin to be non retractable Balanoposthitis could also be your problem. You really should see your physician.
Trust me, you will have a huge problem with what it looks like. When your curiosity overcomes you so much that you decide to resist the pain and go for it, you will be utterly shocked by what the diagrams don't show you. Unless you are particularly found of rotting camembert.
And if you can't pull back, see a doctor as Caravel says. The longer you leave it, the more horrific it's gonna get, trust me.
I've never goten infections of any kind, not since puberty. But I have pulled it back what I assume is half way and seem what things look like, which is red.
Strike For The South
08-10-2006, 18:46
are you joking?:inquisitive:
Its "Cavaliers" in the UK, and "Roundheads" for those that had the snip.
A cavalier yesterday: http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/h/hals/frans/02-1626/16nolaug.html and his roundhead opponent: http://www.lichfield.gov.uk/heritage/images/roundhead.jpg
Observe the headgear...
Sweet! I'm naming my penis Matthew Hopkins today!
"I'm a Witchfinder General.."
are you joking?:inquisitive:
About?
Strike For The South
08-10-2006, 18:57
everything in this thread. Anyway you cant beat my name. Now introducing MINKUS AND THE CARRICK TWINS
Silver Rusher
08-10-2006, 18:58
I've never goten infections of any kind, not since puberty. But I have pulled it back what I assume is half way and seem what things look like, which is red.
Not red. Yellowy-white, in fact. And half-way isn't enough.
Its "Cavaliers" in the UK, and "Roundheads" for those that had the snip.
A cavalier yesterday: http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/h/hals/frans/02-1626/16nolaug.html and his roundhead opponent: http://www.lichfield.gov.uk/heritage/images/roundhead.jpg
Observe the headgear...
Of course Roundheads were so named (as an insult by the Royalists) because the first recruits to Parliament's side were mostly apprentices in London, with their close cropped hair. Not because the cavalry worn a round tin hat.
Grey_Fox
08-10-2006, 20:00
Circumcision is not mutilation. I had mine removed when I was around 4 or so because it was causing extreme pain every time I pissed and haven't regretted having it removed. It's nothing really, and doesn't cause any harm.
Well, right, of course. If a part of your body is infected or otherwise malfunctioning, you treat it. The problem I have is with circumcision done routinely to perfectly healthy baby boys. When I have the time I'll link to a video the the Penn and Teller Bulls Hit program on circumcision, since they condensed a great deal of the same research I did into an easily-digested video format.
Although they completely missed out on the whole business of how circumcision got so darn popular in the U.S.
Sasaki Kojiro
08-10-2006, 23:24
Well, right, of course. If a part of your body is infected or otherwise malfunctioning, you treat it. The problem I have is with circumcision done routinely to perfectly healthy baby boys. When I have the time I'll link to a video the the Penn and Teller Bulls Hit program on circumcision, since they condensed a great deal of the same research I did into an easily-digested video format.
Although they completely missed out on the whole business of how circumcision got so darn popular in the U.S.
Eh, it's like vaccination really. Prevents infection.
Basically now that people wear clothes the evolutionary reason for the foreskin isn't valid. And with circumcision you're less likely to get a urinary tract infection, std's, and some other infections.
Divinus Arma
08-10-2006, 23:28
I think that's it. But knowing my brother and his tendency to make snap decisions based on what's easier without regard to the long term concequences. Would explain why he went for the snip snip. And the doctor probably talked him into it.
I've never goten infections of any kind, not since puberty. But I have pulled it back what I assume is half way and seem what things look like, which is red.
Dear God man. Do yourself a huge favor and Google the word "smegma". Now go to the Doctor. You don't need to be chopped, just a touch of snip to let the foreskin go back and forth. Not even a circumcision, just a slight modification for sanitation reasons.
You are in real danger of eventually losing your penis. This is no joke man.
*shudders*
How the hell did this discussion become so medical? If only I had known it would be so horrific...
Eh, it's like vaccination really. Prevents infection.
Basically now that people wear clothes the evolutionary reason for the foreskin isn't valid. And with circumcision you're less likely to get a urinary tract infection, std's, and some other infections.
No it does not prevent infection. In fact it doesn't even reduce infection because the study is flawed. See my post #28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1212146&postcount=28).
http://www.circumstitions.com/HIV-SA.html
Studies have shown no difference in infection rates of stds in modern western countries. The major medical associations in UK, Canada and US do not recommend and/or discourage routine circumcision.
Reenk Roink
08-10-2006, 23:50
In third world countries, circumcision is a much more beneficial procedure than in first world countries.
However, even if we consider the study posted above "flawed", many medical studies have shown that circumcision does have benefits, the extent to which can be debated.
http://experts.about.com/e/m/me/Medical_analysis_of_circumcision.htm
Dear God man. Do yourself a huge favor and Google the word "smegma". Now go to the Doctor. You don't need to be chopped, just a touch of snip to let the foreskin go back and forth. Not even a circumcision, just a slight modification for sanitation reasons.
You are in real danger of eventually losing your penis. This is no joke man.
*shudders*
How the hell did this discussion become so medical? If only I had known it would be so horrific...
I did and smegma is natural and harmless, mostly. It could cause some problems. But that's not a sure thing. Now I have a new project, retracting my fore skin.
Big_John
08-11-2006, 00:24
Now I have a new project, retracting my fore skin.that'd be in my sig, if i were that kind of guy.
scotchedpommes
08-11-2006, 00:31
Now I have a new project, retracting my fore skin.
[Not to lessen the seriousness of the subject, but certainly another line I
would never have expected in the backroom.]
As far as my views, I think they have already been expressed by Lemur and those
others who would object to carrying out such a procedure on a baby.
Oh, of course.
Big_John
08-11-2006, 01:04
[Gah, delay in posting and I am denied the first mention!]that's how it works back here, SSNP. i'm the king of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant.
Grey_Fox
08-11-2006, 01:41
Heh, since John apparently doesn't want it I'll take it since I am that sort of guy.
Boonfeck would be so proud.
Big_John
08-11-2006, 02:35
And you are welcome to the title, John.you.. you mean, you won't be my lemon merchant?? https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9766/cryingjx4.gif
Divinus Arma
08-11-2006, 03:51
Now I have a new project, retracting my fore skin.
Good luck with your science project lars. You'll be seeing things no man should ever see and smelling things no man should ever smell. Einstein would be proud.
Devastatin Dave
08-11-2006, 04:40
That could be a new super hero for the unchopped... Smegma Man!!! Its a bird, no, its a plane, n,o its an infection or possibly a snake wearing a turtle neck, no its, its ... SMEGMA MAN!!! Champian of the stinky winky!!!:nurse:
Good luck with your science project lars. You'll be seeing things no man should ever see and smelling things no man should ever smell. Einstein would be proud.
I seriously doubt that. About the sight and smell I mean. The day ANYTHING can top the sent of my crap (which is widely regarded as smelling like a corpse that's been in the sun for 2 weeks). Well it will be quite a day.
Devastatin Dave
08-11-2006, 05:08
Dude, if you're at the point where you can smell your penis AT ALL, then its definitly time to see the doc. Ewww...:inquisitive:
I did and smegma is natural and harmless, mostly. It could cause some problems. But that's not a sure thing. Now I have a new project, retracting my fore skin.
That is true, but if not cleaned away regularly, bacteria and fungus are allowed to build up. Smegma itself is not unclean it is basically dead skin cells and sebum (oil). It actually protects the glans against infection on a normal penis.
There is no accurate study to prove that circumcision reduces infection. Modern science in fact dictates otherwise. It is very similar to tonsil removal, 99% of the time not required. The foreskin, like the tonsils, is actually there to act as an infection trap.
doc_bean
08-11-2006, 09:56
Dude, if you're at the point where you can smell your penis AT ALL, then its definitly time to see the doc. Ewww...:inquisitive:
Does it count if you haven't washed for a week ? :juggle2:
Silver Rusher
08-11-2006, 11:15
Now I have a new project, retracting my fore skin.
The cheese shop's open.
Over the last few days we have all been part of one man's struggle to retract his foreskin...
And now we leave him, voyaging on into the smegma, and boldly going where few men have gone before...
Gah, it's irritatingly difficult to find streams of commercial TV on the web. Here's a clip (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2669602) from Penn & Teller's show on circumcision; sadly, this was the best I could do using legal tools.
Dude, if you're at the point where you can smell your penis AT ALL, then its definitly time to see the doc. Ewww...:inquisitive:
I can't smell it jezz.
Circumcision? I rather not have it circumsised. I like it the way it is.
Btw: I read they promoted it to stop mastrubation in the begin of 20th century? But why would it stop it or slow it donw? I mean it can't be hard to do it without the foreskin can it.
simple!
the human body is ok like it is.
human bevaviour is not. better change that.
That why I have never behaved human!
I'm not going to re-create the weeks of research I did on the subject, but here's a little something (http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/kimmel1/):
Before the 1870s, in the United States, routine medical circumcision was quite rare, hovering around 5 to 6 percent of all newborn baby boys. Subscribers to the new Victorian sexual morality sought to reduce what critics perceived to be rampant sexual promiscuity, and especially masturbation, which, they believed, resulted in all sorts of debilities and even death. Masturbation was said to cause all manner of emotional, psychological, and physiological problems, from bed-wetting to adolescent insolence, acne to mental retardation, insanity, psychological exhaustion, and neurasthenia.
Circumcision's well-established ability to curb sexual appetite and pleasure was prescribed as a potential cure for sexual profligacy. Lewis Sayre, a prominent New York physician, hailed as "the Columbus of the prepuce" by his colleagues, experimented with circumcision as a cure for paralysis and other muscular ailments. Sayre's colleagues also noted that Jews had a lower rate of STDs than non-Jews, and hypothesized that this had to do with circumcision. (Actually this had to do with the fact that Jews had very little sexual contact with non-Jews.)
Another physician, Dr. Peter Remondino, advocated universal male circumcision since the foreskin, which he labeled "an unyielding tube," left the intact male "a victim to all manner of ills, sufferings...and other conditions calculated to weaken him physically, mentally, and morally; to land him, perchance, in jail, or even in a lunatic asylum." And Robert Tooke's popular All About the Baby (1896) recommended circumcision to prevent "the vile habit of masturbation."
J. H. Kellogg, pioneering health reformer, cereal inventor, and general medical quack also sounded the alarm; his best-selling health advice book, Plain Facts for Old and Young (1888), included nearly 100 pages on the dangers of masturbation. Circumcision is almost always successful in curbing masturbation, he counseled, and he suggested that the operation be performed "by a surgeon without administering anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind...."
Divinus Arma
08-12-2006, 00:31
We scorn such idiocy now, Lemur. But people in 100 years will scorn as us well. Imagine when religion no longer causes/contributes to wars? The people then will shake their head in disbelief at our ancient human intolerance.
Perhaps I should have made my point more clearly -- in the late 1800s surgical circumcision was at something like 5%. After the anti-masturbation hysteria, it became an American institution. This is how it happened.
We may very well scorn such idiocy, but every time someone unthinkingly submits their baby boy to an unnecessary operation (without anesthesia) they're aping it. As I said to my wife when we were having this debate, "Doing something just because it's been done is the worst sort of traditionalism."
Thanks for the info Lemur! really appreciated!
I can't smell it jezz.
But what about the ladies? Growing a tiramisu might not be the best way to get the one eyed bandit smooched. Poor thing must be up to it's neck :dizzy2:
You just ruined one of my favourite desserts. Thanks Fragony. Now I can't eat Tiramisu anymore without thinking about, a "tiramisu".
Duke Malcolm
08-12-2006, 20:19
The idea of circumcision is ridiculed by most (younger) people up here. It would be a stigma to have it done to one.
I'm suddenly reminded of something Tribesman told me, weeks ago in the chatroom. A man he knew was having sex upstairs at a party and tore his foreskin. Heh.
I'm suddenly reminded of something Tribesman told me, weeks ago in the chatroom. A man he knew was having sex upstairs at a party and tore his foreskin. Heh.
:fainting:
But what about the ladies? Growing a tiramisu might not be the best way to get the one eyed bandit smooched. Poor thing must be up to it's neck :dizzy2:
That'l be the day. Ladies tend to avoid me.
I find it hard to believe anyone hasn't rolled down the foreskin. I suspect phimosis.
Doesn't matter whether you believe me or not. I never have. Neither had my brother. Until he was driven to the doctor and a snip. I suspect infection, he doesn't want to say.
I wasn't given a choice. It was just standard medical practice in the US in the 1950's. Not that I'd have been able to make an intelligent decision; since at that point I was only capable of sleeping, eating and occasionally spewing out of one end or the other.
The idea of circumcision is ridiculed by most (younger) people up here. It would be a stigma to have it done to one.
I'm glad you said most.
Divinus Arma
08-13-2006, 05:29
That'l be the day. Ladies tend to avoid me.
Why is that? :book:
Samurai Waki
08-13-2006, 08:20
Well Ladies will tend to avoid an uncut, dirty penis :laugh4: Now All You have to do is call im' "Rear Admiral Heinz" and nobody will bother to give ya a second glance :inquisitive:
That'l be the day. Ladies tend to avoid me.
http://myspace-328.vo.llnwd.net/00507/82/30/507640328_m.jpg
Duke Malcolm
08-13-2006, 10:57
I'm glad you said most.
It is generally only the people who have had it done (of which there are very few willing to admit) and their friends who do not, I must say.
I find it hard to believe anyone hasn't rolled down the foreskin. I suspect phimosis.
Indeed, though phimosis is simply the term for an unretractable foreskin due to a white inelastic band of scar tissue, there is usually an underlying cause, which is almost always balanoposthitis. This is usually treatable as is the phimosis, without circumcision.
Ladies don't avoid an uncircumsised penis, otherwise circumcision would be popular worldwide, which it isn't except mainly in the US, parts of africa and parts of the middle east. They will however, quite obviously, avoid males with poor hygiene.
If you had gone on a date with a woman and taken her back to your place (or her place) and on 'taking the plunge', you discovered that she had an odour that you could only liken to the fish market, would you like it?
Why is that? :book:
Variety of reasons.
1.While not ugly I have bad skin.
2.Shyness
3.Social phobia
4.I'd rather be right
5.I'm cheap like a Scot
Ladies don't avoid an uncircumsised penis, otherwise circumcision would be popular worldwide, which it isn't except mainly in the US, parts of africa and parts of the middle east. They will however, quite obviously, avoid males with poor hygiene.
I don't have poor hygiene. I shower every morning. Try to brush twice a day.
If you had gone on a date with a woman and taken her back to your place (or her place) and on 'taking the plunge', you discovered that she had an odour that you could only liken to the fish market, would you like it?
I wouldn't mind. I have a weak sense of smell. Plus I'm used to worse smells. And it also assumes that I've ever been on a date before. Bad assumption.
Divinus Arma
08-14-2006, 01:26
Variety of reasons.
1.While not ugly I have bad skin.
2.Shyness
3.Social phobia
4.I'd rather be right
5.I'm cheap like a Scot
okay.
I don't have poor hygiene. I shower every morning. Try to brush twice a day.
But yet you physically cannot reach a portion of your body that accumulates a cheesey substance when dirty for extended period s of time...
I wouldn't mind. I have a weak sense of smell. Plus I'm used to worse smells.
Its pretty bad. You have to ask them to leave. :no:
And it also assumes that I've ever been on a date before. Bad assumption.
Eharmony.com
doc_bean
08-14-2006, 11:13
Eharmony.com
semi-off topic: Internet dating actually seems to work, you should give it a try. :2thumbsup:
Ja'chyra
08-14-2006, 11:21
Variety of reasons.
5.I'm cheap like a Scot
I'm hoping, for your sake, you are referring to someone you know who is called Scot?
Silver Rusher
08-14-2006, 18:34
I wouldn't mind. I have a weak sense of smell. Plus I'm used to worse smells.
I can't smell it jezz.
Oh dear...
semi-off topic: Internet dating actually seems to work, you should give it a try. :2thumbsup:
Internet dating will work just as well as any other type of dating, though as with any other type of dating it all depends on the individuals.
1.While not ugly I have bad skin.
Bad skin affects your confidence and social interaction. Are you referring to acne, if so this is treatable as are many other skin complaints. Forget the fake soapy commercial remedies, they won't work, see a doctor and find a real solution.
2.Shyness
3.Social phobia
Related to the above and most likely the phimosis problem. The phimosis and skin problem may be making you feel bad about yourself and is mentally blocking you from approaching women.
IrishArmenian
08-16-2006, 20:50
I got it. I think it is good that I got the knife when I was a baby. Cleaning is easier.
Divinus Arma
09-11-2006, 02:41
How goes your science project lars573? (spare the details please)
Incongruous
09-11-2006, 05:36
I can't belive I just read through this entire thread...
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
09-11-2006, 16:31
It has a morbid facination, doesn't it?
I'm so glad we had sex-ed, otherwise I'd probably be in Lars' situation right now.
Bad skin is usually caused by diet. In my case Chocolate. Eat more fruit and less sweets, a face scrub can also help. Give it a couple of weeks and youy may not need to go to the dock,
Oh, and Lars, the smell starts in days, take it from someone who's shared military showers.
Mithrandir
09-11-2006, 17:55
eewl, this thread is.... eeewl....
Why oh why did I sign up for the backroom...do I really need the money that bad ?
So much to think about.
...eewl.
Sjakihata
09-11-2006, 18:26
no chopping for me, thankyouverymuch!
yesdachi
09-11-2006, 19:13
I voted “chop”. I (my wife too) find it better aesthetically and hygienically.
I was there for my son’s and it went fine. I dipped my finger in sugar water and let him suck on it like a pacifier while the doc used a little contraption that ensures no “mistakes” to snip off the hood. It looks good and we have never had any infection issues.
Bar Kochba
09-11-2006, 19:20
i had it chopped at 8 days old and i dont see anything wrong with it
I figured I'd resurrect this beauty instead of starting a new one. Why deprive newer Backroom members of the sheer genius in this thread?
The Third World is about to get a little shorter...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6502855.stm
Kevin De Cock, director of HIV/AIDS at the World Health Organization said: "The recommendations represent a significant step forward in HIV prevention."It's nice to see De Cock is still running the show...
Yup, in Africa they've shown that circumcision lowers HIV infection rates. Then again, anything is helpful in areas where dry sex (http://www.rho.org/html/hthps_overview.htm#drysex) is popular.
P.S.: Nice thread spelunking, drone.
Yup, in Africa they've shown that circumcision lowers HIV infection rates. Then again, anything is helpful in areas where dry sex (http://www.rho.org/html/hthps_overview.htm#drysex) is popular.
:fainting:
The phrase "Who put sand in my Astro-glide?" comes to mind. :no:
Blodrast
03-29-2007, 23:49
Speechless. That is so ... counter-intuitive, to put it as mildly as I can. Boggles the mind. :dizzy2:
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
03-30-2007, 21:03
I fail to see how this could really help, unless of course they're all really dirty and never wash, in which case.....
I fail to see how this could really help, unless of course they're all really dirty and never wash, in which case.....
Are you referring to circumcisions to prevent AIDS, or circumcisions to help with the dry-sex? :inquisitive:
I don't know the science behind the preventing AIDS part. My guess would be that infected bodily fluid from the female gets under the foreskin, which would protect the virus from air and light for a longer time, enhancing the chance of infection. :thinking:
My guess would be that infected bodily fluid from the female gets under the foreskin, which would protect the virus from air and light for a longer time, enhancing the chance of infection.
I had to read up on this subject when I was deciding what to do with my baby lemur's johnson. Here's the deal, as I understand it: The foreskin protects the head of the penis, which means it remains both more tender and more sensitive. A cut johnson has no such protection, so it toughens up at the tip. Thus an uncut johnson is more prone to suffer micro-cuts during vigorous sex. I can only imagine the damage done by dry sex to an uncircumcised johnson.
I didn't bring up the freaky-deaky practice of dry sex just for the shock value; all of the studies that showed circumcision lowers HIV transmission were conducted in areas where the dry sex is common. I would be very interested to see if the same results hold true in places where men don't jump for joy at subjecting their tenderest appendage to a sandpaper treatment.
ajaxfetish
03-30-2007, 23:31
Well . . . after reading through this thread and finding myself in the same position as Lars, I decided I'd best adopt his new project as well. Fortunately, I can report success, and nothing seems amiss, but man is it sensitive under there!
Ajax
edit: and a question for our medical personnel--how frequently would you recommend retraction and cleaning?
Divinus Arma
03-30-2007, 23:50
Yup, in Africa they've shown that circumcision lowers HIV infection rates. Then again, anything is helpful in areas where dry sex (http://www.rho.org/html/hthps_overview.htm#drysex) is popular.
That is the most horrible thing I have ever read. It is MADNESS!!!
I prefer swimming, myself.
edit: and a question for our medical personnel--how frequently would you recommend retraction and cleaning?
I always knew this thread was disgusting.
To answer the question: At least twice Daily. Or thrice. Or more. Everytime you use the restroom.
Kanamori
03-30-2007, 23:54
What a pain.
Louis VI the Fat
03-30-2007, 23:54
edit: and a question for our medical personnel--how frequently would you recommend retraction and cleaning?Definately clean it once a day at least. And before you start a game of twister with yer girl.
For retraction, I'd recommend at least once a day too, in rapid succession, for some five minutes.
Strike For The South
03-31-2007, 05:58
Definately clean it once a day at least. And before you start a game of twister with yer girl.
For retraction, I'd recommend at least once a day too, in rapid succession, for some five minutes.
Why do you wanna beat the poor fella after your done?
Major Robert Dump
03-31-2007, 21:40
I'm having hot dogs for lunch. People will wonder why I giggle
Yoyoma1910
04-01-2007, 11:43
You know, I hate to show the fact that I was raised by feminists, but perhaps... just perhaps... ah, nevermind. A world of eunichs would suck.
I got chopped almost a year ago.
I can't say it was a pleasant exprience :no:
The actual operation went smooth.
Took 20 minutes and was awake the whole time.
It is when the anesthesia wears off hell begins.
The general pain isn't all that but the main problem is cleaning(atleast in my case).
1. It is hyper-sensitive
2. It bleeds alot and blood dries.
So the blood dried on the bandage and since you have to take the bandage off when you clean ehmm I will leave the pain in your imagination. Give you a hint, you got a high chance of passing out.
It also looks like it was beaten by 10 feminists with baseball bats.
Wasn't pretty :no:
But after 4 weeks of pure :daisy: hell the stiches came off(all 15 of them).
That said I still voted Gah.
Should only be done if there was medical reasons behind it like it was with me and the person getting the chopping must be the one that agrees to it.
Banquo's Ghost
04-01-2007, 12:37
Thank you for sharing. :fainting:
I got chopped almost a year ago.
I can't say it was a pleasant exprience :no:
The actual operation went smooth.
Took 20 minutes and was awake the whole time.
It is when the anesthesia wears off hell begins.
The general pain isn't all that but the main problem is cleaning(atleast in my case).
1. It is hyper-sensitive
2. It bleeds alot and blood dries.
So the blood dried on the bandage and since you have to take the bandage off when you clean ehmm I will leave the pain in your imagination. Give you a hint, you got a high chance of passing out.
It also looks like it was beaten by 10 feminists with baseball bats.
Wasn't pretty :no:
But after 4 weeks of pure :daisy: hell the stiches came off(all 15 of them).
That said I still voted Gah.
Should only be done if there was medical reasons behind it like it was with me and the person getting the chopping must be the one that agrees to it.
Argh!!! >.< Instead of telling that story, you could just find me and shoot a bullet at me! I think I would've found them equally disturbing to experience. Actually..... I'd rather have somebody shooting a pistol at me, rather than hearing this kind of story....
But I must say you've gone through great physical pain, and it is worthy of honour :bow:
-edit-
How the hell did you pee? :jawdrop:
How the hell did you pee? :jawdrop:
A challenge worthy of the smartest men.
You have no trouble peeing except for the fact that the swollen state of your ehm member causes a unpredictable pressure making aiming pointless.
After the WHO report, it seems that NYC is going to promote the chop for at-risk men in the city.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/05/nyregion/05aids.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
New York City’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene is planning a campaign to encourage men at high risk of AIDS to get circumcised in light of the World Health Organization’s endorsement of the procedure as an effective way to prevent the disease.
While the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta is just beginning to convene meetings and design studies to help it formulate a national policy, New York City is moving ahead on its own.
In the United States, “New York City remains the epicenter of the AIDS epidemic,” Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city’s health commissioner, said in an interview. Referring to H.I.V., he said, “In some subpopulations, you have 10 to 20 percent prevalence rates, just as they do in parts of Africa.”
His department has started asking some community groups and gay rights organizations to discuss circumcision with their members, and has asked the Health and Hospitals Corporation, which runs city hospitals and clinics, to perform the procedure at no charge for men without health insurance.
Looks like the mohels will be working overtime in the city that never sleeps...
Vladimir
04-10-2007, 16:10
His department has started asking some community groups and gay rights organizations to discuss circumcision with their members, and has asked the Health and Hospitals Corporation, which runs city hospitals and clinics, to perform the procedure at no charge for men without health insurance.[/snip]
Looks like the mohels will be working overtime in the city that never sleeps...
hehe
"Hey there little guy, how 'bout a little off the top?"
Member: No way!
:2thumbsup:
I won't ask what prompted you to dig this one back up... :inquisitive:
I won't ask what prompted you to dig this one back up... :inquisitive:
I saw the WHO report in the news a couple of weeks ago, which brought back fond memories of this thread. With all the posts on genital mutilations lately, I figured this would fit right in. :2thumbsup:
I am still extremely suspicious of basing New York City medical policy on studies that occurred in nations where basic health care is minimal, and the dry sex phenomenon makes heterosexual intercourse a bloody affair.
For some reason, people always want men to chop in this country. At the turn of the century circumcision was sold to parents as an anti-masturbation cure. Then it became a hygiene issue. Now it's to prevent HIV infection. I just don't know. It seems as though the reasons keep shifting to fit a predefined goal.
Vladimir
04-10-2007, 19:14
I do remember legitimate studies that show you're twice as likely to carry the human pathaloma virus if you don't unmask :batman: .
Louis VI the Fat
04-10-2007, 19:38
For some reason, people always want men to chop in this country. At the turn of the century circumcision was sold to parents as an anti-masturbation cure. Then it became a hygiene issue. Now it's to prevent HIV infection.It's all rubbish. For the average American there are no hygienic or STD preventional reasons to chop.
For hygienic reasons, I should hope that circumcised Americans have discovered the blessings of water and soap too. The difference between chopped and unchopped is a few hours at best before your wiener turns yukkie.
For protection, well, if circumcision is what you want to rely on you might as well not bother at all.
Clean water and condoms are widely available to Americans. For Africans this is often not the case. Circumcision is a desperate, 'last resort' measure there with a minimal to no health benefit for first world countries.
master of the puppets
04-10-2007, 20:11
chop, makes it look bigger.
gotta look out for the kids future.
doc_bean
04-10-2007, 20:44
chop, makes it look bigger.
gotta look out for the kids future.
Unchopped feels better (to the guy anyway, can't speak for the women here).
I know what I prefer.
Louis VI the Fat
04-10-2007, 20:49
chop, makes it look bigger.
* enter hot babe * :
"Sure honey, yours looks at least this long: :2thumbsup: "
"But if you don't mind, I prefer performance over flash. What really gets women off is width, and all girls know unchopped are wider by quite a marging".
:kiss2:
Chopped makes it look bigger? Well, when I was making up my mind for my little baby lemur, one of the people I spoke to was a surgeon, who had a very different take. He said that by losing the li'l bit of extra flesh, you could actually shorten a man's dangly bit through circumcision. He didn't think it was at all unlikely.
Anyway, done is done. If my boy wants to chop, he's free to do so in sixteen years or so. You can always take away, but you can never give back.
Blodrast
04-10-2007, 22:24
Anyway, done is done. If my boy wants to chop, he's free to do so in sixteen years or so. You can always take away, but you can never give back.
To quote one of our friends here, bollox! Maybe you shouldn't disregard all those helpful emails about adding a coupla inches, y'know... ~D
The scientific take on the debate. Needless to say, there's more than one view (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19426015.500&feedId=online-news_rss20):
Does circumcision harm your sex life? This question has become more pressing than ever with the recent endorsement by the World Health Organization of circumcision as a means of reducing HIV infection in Africa (New Scientist, 31 March, p 7). But as two new studies show, it's proving tricky to resolve.
Kimberley Payne of the Riverside Professional Centre in Ottawa, Canada, and her colleagues tested the sensitivity of 20 intact and 20 circumcised men's penises as they watched erotic movie clips, by touching the penises with filaments that press down with predetermined amounts of pressure (The Journal of Sexual Medicine, DOI: 10.1111/j.1743-6109.2007.00471.x). They found no difference in penile sensation between circumcised and uncircumcised men.
However, when Robert Van Howe of Michigan State University used a similar method to measure sensitivity at 19 points along the penises of 163 men, he found that the five most sensitive points were all in portions of the penis removed by circumcision, especially those in folds exposed as the penis becomes erect (BJU International, vol 99, p 864).
Van Howe says Payne's team might have had similar results if they had tested more men and made measurements at more than two points. He denied that funding by the National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers, which opposes circumcision, influenced the result. "It would be hard to fake," he says. He hopes other groups will try to replicate the findings.
Vladimir
04-27-2007, 16:57
Um, wow. Thank you for that...yea...
A dad is suing to force his 12-year-old to become circumcised (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1177644329102660.xml&coll=7&thispage=1). The mom, needless to say, is fighting it. Not clear on how the boy feels. Kind of a weird situation, and I feel for the kid.
Other family law experts agree, but say the courts should at least look into the situation to make sure the surgery is in the best interests of the child.
"You're talking about not just religious instruction or whether you're going to send the child to parochial school or public school," commented Lawrence D. Gorin, a Portland attorney. "This is a matter of permanent change of bodily structure. And it's irreversible."
The mother is running out of legal options.
The Oregon Supreme Court has been briefed, but has not decided whether to take the case.
Mark Johnson, a Portland lawyer commenting on the case, said the court shouldn't let the case be decided based only on the legal papers filed on behalf of the mother and father.
"Frankly, the child should have a lawyer," Johnson said.
I side with the mother in this case.
In 6 years this kid can make this decision himself and I think the court should let him make that choice himself.
And just in case, put a restraining order against sharp objects close to his penis.
Vladimir
04-29-2007, 02:50
Wow, really. If it hasn't been done by 12 then why force it? Why doesn't the father also try to impose a court order for him to eat his veggies?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-29-2007, 05:24
He says the boy wants to
She says he doesn't
Who to believe? If the kid doesn't want to he should own up and say so.
Rodion Romanovich
04-29-2007, 09:32
Hm...I wonder how many 12 years old boys of free will want to have the tip of their penis cut off before they get 18 years old? Circumcision is a sado-masochistic-religious ritual comparable to the Ubangi plates in the lips, female circumcision in East Africa and Burmese women putting rings to lengthen their necks, and some Ethiopian people where whipping 12-15 years old girls has some fertility ritual function. Based on human biological rights reasoning none of these things belong in the 21st century, but based on culture tolerance ideals they should all be allowed. Difficult question, but as long as nobody forces someone else to do any of these things it should probably be allowed. The problem with all these rites is that in the cultures they occur they are usually believed to be necessary to do while the victim is still a young child, and they oppose leaving the decision until 18 years age or similar.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-29-2007, 10:25
It's right up there with that barbaric practice of vaccination ~;)
Rodion Romanovich
04-29-2007, 10:39
Vaccination doesn't mean cutting off part of your reproductive organ, removing 90% of your feelings during sex. Circumcision makes you end up unable to satisfy your sexuality - your need is still left, but you lose most of the ability to satisfy it. Unsatisfaction leads to frustration, frustration to depression, and depression to traumatization. I know from my own experience. I'd give anything to have the circumcision reversed. Just after I got it, I had extra strong sexual sensibility for about 2 months, but then it started going away until almost all of it is now gone. I haven't been any successful with women after it, and been heavily traumatized. Only girls I have attracted are sado-masochistic sickoes, which naturally makes me feel even more traumatized about this cruel form of sadistic mutilation to repress the male sexuality. I'd give anything to have this mutilation reversed. Unfortunately, it can't be done.
doc_bean
04-29-2007, 12:33
It's right up there with that barbaric practice of vaccination ~;)
Besides the fact that it mutilates the body and serves no purpose in 99% of the cases it's performed ?
Yeah, good analogy.
Then again, anything is helpful in areas where dry sex is popular.
:dizzy2:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-29-2007, 19:39
Besides the fact that it mutilates the body and serves no purpose in 99% of the cases it's performed ?
Yeah, good analogy.
Sorry, I just find it amusing how worked up people get over this. It's a medical procedure. There are cultural reasons people do it but they are based on medical reasoning. Why do you care what he chooses to do?
doc_bean
04-30-2007, 16:49
Sorry, I just find it amusing how worked up people get over this. It's a medical procedure. There are cultural reasons people do it but they are based on medical reasoning. Why do you care what he chooses to do?
:laugh4: I didn't get worked up.
If appendiciteses were performed on every infant for cultural/religous reasons would you just call it a medical procedure too ?
Sure it is a mdeical procedure, but it isn't performed for medical reasons.
Vladimir
04-30-2007, 17:05
Nothing involving my penis is "just a medical procedure."
Sasaki Kojiro
04-30-2007, 17:40
:laugh4: I didn't get worked up.
If appendiciteses were performed on every infant for cultural/religous reasons would you just call it a medical procedure too ?
Sure it is a mdeical procedure, but it isn't performed for medical reasons.
I meant legio.
Doctors do it for medical reasons, lot's of people request it for same.
If appendectomies were really simple operations I'd say go for it :yes:
Big King Sanctaphrax
04-30-2007, 18:46
Another difference between appendectomies and cicumcision is that you probably wouldn't really notice that you didn't have an appendix, without the scar. Whereas a circumcision removes a very visible-and, I think, very useful-part of you.
Grey_Fox
04-30-2007, 19:03
For the love of christ...
Circumcision is not mutilation. I had mine removed when I was around 4 or so because it was causing extreme pain every time I pissed and haven't regretted having it removed. It's nothing really, and doesn't cause any harm.
I will not have anybody else tell me how I should feel about myself. I will not have other people tell me I feel I have been 'mutilated'. My penis works as it was intended to work, no less effectively than if it hadn't been circumcised.
Get over your indignation and your own insecurities.
Rodion Romanovich
04-30-2007, 19:44
How do you know it's less effective, if you had it removed when you were 4?
a very visible-and, I think, very useful-part of you.
Sometimes when the poor guy is not wearing his hat it doesn't feel very pleasant, so dry it itches. Having a foreskin also makes the waking up-stir-smell finger routine possible, which I couldn't do without personally.
Having a foreskin also makes the waking up-stir-smell finger routine possible, which I couldn't do without personally.
I'm not sure what you mean, and I'm really, really hoping you never explain it to me.
Vladimir
05-01-2007, 12:49
I thought you would know what it means since you come from behind the cheddar curtain.
(I hope noone was eating when they read that)
Divinus Arma
05-02-2007, 04:23
Jesus. Why is this thread still alive and kicking? Yuck, Yuck, Yuck, Yuck, Yuck. The smegma jokes have run their course. Please people. YUCK!
What's the matter, DA, can't handle the longevity of your own thread? Who knows, maybe I'll find a concept as disgusting as dry sex (http://www.salon.com/health/sex/urge/world/1999/12/10/drysex/) again to rekindle the flames.
* Adds to list of things he now knows, but still wishes he didn't know about
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