Mafia III: Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

[The Spartan (Returns)]

I was going to vote for Csar, but rereading Spartan's posts, I saw somthing that suprise me. Just after the latest killings, he exclaimed, "It must be Csar!", when asked why, he responded rather lamely with, "I dunno, just a gut feeling.". Now why would he be so enthusiasic to accuse Csar, and then when asked why he did so, not give a logical reason? Therefore, in conclusion, I am changing my vote to: The Spartan.ever since i played Mafia 2 i went with my gut feeling in the beginning games. Csar is for some reason hard active.

[Moros]

I vote ignoramus.

[B-Wing]

Well, I'm glad they killed Silver Rusher, because I was going to vote for either his or Lemur's execution. I was also somewhat suspicious of Tiberius, but now that theory has been debunked.

I really don't know what to do here. I still think Lemur deserves to die, but it looks like The Spartan is going to get the majority of the votes. I really don't think its The Spartan; the two recent posts everyone is using as evidence just seem to careless for someone who really is in the mafia. Maybe that's the point. I don't know. I don't want to try to convince anyone to change their votes, though, because I'd hate it if he turned out to be mafioso after all. I assume there's no such thing as a tie vote, so I guess it can't hurt to stick with my original conviction: feed Lemur to the crocodiles!

[GeneralHankerchief]

I assume there's no such thing as a tie vote

Heh.

There is.

It's happened several (one would say too many) times in the last games, we've just been lucky so far. I have many different ways of dealing with them.

[B-Wing]

Heh... There is... It's happened several (one would say too many) times in the last games, we've just been lucky so far. I have many different ways of dealing with them.

Oh. Well, okay, so its not like NOBODY gets executed, right? If there's a tie you'll resolve it somehow so that somebody does indeed get picked?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yeah, most of the time it's just a re-vote between the top two vote-getters. But if it's later in the game and I feel like a re-vote won't solve anything, I'll do something else.

But somebody will always be executed.

[B-Wing]

OKay, no problem then. ~:thumb: Thanks for the clarification! My previous vote still stands, then.

[Cowhead418]

Mafia, may I request that the next murders involve snakes... and a plane?:laugh4:

[scotchedpommes]

I understand that you are angry because I challenged your idea of playing. Do not take this opportunity to seek an unjustifiable murder, fellow villager. As you can see, my vote rests with Lemur. Lemur is playing possum in order to avoid being a lemming.

I believe Lemur to hold a false argument. He dares us not to defy him, and challenges the mafia to kill him, fulling knowing that he will not be killed if he asks for it because he is in fact the mafia! What a perfect argument it is to yell "Mafia kill me I dare you!" (which makes others believe that he will not be killed because he makes such a request) if you are in fact the mafia.

In my view, your execution is far from unjustifiable, fellow villager. To kill Lemur
would be an exercise in futility, much more a wasted opportunity. As ridiculous
as your choice of Banquo's Ghost was, I feel you have surpassed yourself.

[Divine Wind]

~:snowman:

*The Snowman of Death desires The Spartan's head on a plate please

Therefore our vote goes to him ~:thumb:

[B-Wing]

In my view, your execution is far from unjustifiable, fellow villager. To kill Lemur would be an exercise in futility, much more a wasted opportunity. As ridiculous as your choice of Banquo's Ghost was, I feel you have surpassed yourself.

I really don't see where you're coming from with this. And to me your wording seems overly dramatic. I haven't had any previous cause for suspicion toward you, but this particular post really unsettles me. :inquisitive: I'm watching you, along with Pannonian, Lemur, and to a lesser extent, Sasaki.

[scotchedpommes]

Oh my. It was no more dramatic than was his. I think it highly unlikely that
Lemur would be a member of the mafia again so soon. [Although it is possible,
yes.] Watch all you want.

Sasaki, of course, but I would still think it less probable.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh my. It was no more dramatic than was his. I think it highly unlikely that
Lemur would be a member of the mafia again so soon. [Although it is possible,
yes.] Watch all you want.

It's random, remember. The two games are independant, so he is just as likely as anyone else.

[Dooz]

I'll vote The Spartan based mostly on Tiberius' note that was discovered after his tragic murder. I guess Csar is the other option this round but doesn't seem to be any more reason to vote for him than Spartan.

[Ianofsmeg16]

woah sorry i was inactive, i completely forgot about this, ummm...*reads back* how on earth did i get votes? lol oh well, until i get back into it i'll pick a name out of a hat....Lemur


Sorry :sweatdrop:

[Drisos]

Hmmm.

I doubt it was Ian_Of_Smeg...

After we kill the Spartan... I say - Off with SSNeoperestroika's head. That last posts make me very suspicious...! :inquisitive:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

no!!!!!!! its not me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Drisos]

no!!!!!!! its not me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is, m8! Believe me, it is. :laugh4:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

awwww!!! i want to last longer. i am no mafia!!

[Pannonian]

I was going to do a spreadsheet before voting, but I still haven't got round to that. Oh well, The Spartan it is, based on Ignoramus' argument. I'll try and get a proper vote for the next round, if I'm still alive.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

fine kill me! looks like my first run as mafia didnt go so well. well this is the end for the mafia, ill just tell you who i killed:
Discovery 1
Zalmoxis and
Silver Rusher.
happy now??????
i will have my revenge..........

[Drisos]

hurray! I was right!

I demand another, more painful, method of execution for the spartan, as we're now sure he is one of the mafia! :2thumbsup:

victory!:balloon2:

[Moros]

fine kill me! looks like my first run as mafia didnt go so well. well this is the end for the mafia, ill just tell you who i killed:
Discovery 1
Zalmoxis and
Silver Rusher.
happy now??????
i will have my revenge..........
So you're the arivideci (spelling?) guy?

I liked Dicovery's death tough!

[The Spartan (Returns)]

So you're the arivideci (spelling?) guy?

I liked Dicovery's death tough!yes..........
you see the way i killed these people. i like to go up and personal.
wait why am i telling you this?

[The Spartan (Returns)]

well people im gonna play my last battle in RTW.
i shall soon return for the executions.

[B-Wing]

Oh, well dang! I was just putting together evidence against Drisos, and The Spartan comes out and confesses??!

I wish you would have held your innocence to the bitter end, cause you never know who might change their mind. But for your confession, I think we should let him off easy. Being eaten alive by alligators is a bit too painful - everyone else got off with extremely quick deaths... of course most of those were innocent. Hmm, maybe alligators are a good choice after all.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Gah...finally able to access the net. Stupid college network.

Anyways, I didn't think that Spartan was guilty, but now that he's confessed...

Crazed Rabbit

[Orb]

Also, technically, you aren't allowed to reveal who you are to anyone except generalhankie and the other mafia.

[Lemur]

Wow, pretty darn early in the game for a mafioso to get the axe. Strange game. Now I'll never get assassinated. Blech.

Ignored by the mafia, suspected by the villagers, and it's likely that the Law of Comic Comeuppance will get me lynched.

Oh well. B_Ray seems to be awfully bent on getting rid of me. Trying not to waste your mafia powers, eh?

[Moros]

Wow, pretty darn early in the game for a mafioso to get the axe. Strange game. Now I'll never get assassinated. Blech.

Ignored by the mafia, suspected by the villagers, and it's likely that the Law of Comic Comeuppance will get me lynched.

Oh well. B_Ray seems to be awfully bent on getting rid of me. Trying not to waste your mafia powers, eh?
hmmm yeah, maybe he's the one...he did try to convince people of tohers guilt, didn't he?

hmmm...:juggle2:

Tough something tells me is innocent...

:juggle2:

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I vote for The Spartan, he admitted to it and the logic pointed to him anyway...

General mind executing him with a giant tesla coil?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting is now over.

Stand by for the execution.

EDIT: Because of the other posts ahead of this the execution is below.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

The Spartan arrives for execution....


please put some sad Italian oprah music while i wait...

[B-Wing]

Wow, pretty darn early in the game for a mafioso to get the axe. ... Oh well. B_Ray seems to be awfully bent on getting rid of me. Trying not to waste your mafia powers, eh?


hmmm yeah, maybe he's the one..

Err, its my understanding that the game is now basicly over. ~:dizzy: Ain't it?


...well this is the end for the mafia, ill just tell you who i killed...
I assume he would only say this if he were the last mafia. The whole point of a solo mafioso being able to execute two people per turn is to keep their numbers secret, right? We're not supposed to know when we've successfully killed a mafioso off until we get both of them, correct? So, if Spartan isn't the last one, he kind of just ruined one element of the game. ~:doh:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

I assume he would only say this if he were the last mafia. The whole point of a solo mafioso being able to execute two people per turn is to keep their numbers secret, right? We're not supposed to know when we've successfully killed a mafioso off until we get both of them, correct? So, if Spartan isn't the last one, he's kind of ruined one element of the game. ~:doh:well of course there is one more.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow, what a complete 180. In a matter of hours The Spartan had gone from repeatedly proclaiming his innocence to claiming his guilt. Weird how things changed.

Almost immediately after telling everyone he killed Disco, Zalmoxis, and Silver Rusher, Spartan had regretted doing so. Because the angry mob was now upon him, screaming vengeance and all sorts of terrible things. They were requesting alternate methods of executions to Chief of Police Beirut, each one more terrible than the last. All in all things were pretty rowdy.

Beirut looked at his fellow officer BKS. "Well," he said, "at least they aren't going Freud on me."

He then fired his gun in the air again. Sheesh, he did that a lot nowadays. "BRING FORTH THE CONFESSOR!" The Spartan was thrown on the platform where Beirut and BKS were standing.

Beirut spoke to Spartan and the crowd. "The Spartan, it doesn't matter your innocence since you received the most votes, but purely for the sake of officialness I am going to ask you a couple of questions.

"Do you confess that you work for the mafia?"

"Yes." Jeers from the crowd.

"Do you confess that you killed discovery1, Zalmoxis, and Silver Rusher?

"Yes." More jeers.

"Do you confess that you planned to eliminate the entire Frontroom until you either died or killed everyone in the village?"

"Yes." There was a large "BOOOOOO!" from the crowd and they started throwing things at him.

Beirut looked him in the eyes for a moment, then shrugged. "Very well. Spray 'im!"

Everyone looked around, confused. Spray? But as BKS was spraying Spartan, Beirut explained.

"Essence of Raw Meat."

"Oh, ****."

Everybody cheered. A loud growling sound could be heard from underneath Spartan. A second later he dropped down to meet the already-very hungry lions, with the smell of raw meat all over him. The villagers went home, satisfied.

Here is the voting total for Session 3:

The Spartan: 8 :skull:
Csar: 4
Lemur: 2
Pannonian, Alexander the Pretty Good, Stormcrow, Eclectic, Ignoramus: 1 each

~~~~~~~
Still alive:
Reenk Roink
Sasaki Kojiro
Crazed Rabbit
SSNeoperestroika
Csar
AggonyDuck
evil_maniac from mars
Orb
Ice
Uesugi Kenshin
Eclectic
Lemur
Ignoramus
Kommodus
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Ianofsmeg16
Gertgregoor
littlelostboy
Cowhead418
Divine Wind
Wonderland
Stormcrow
Kralizec
Kagemusha
Hiji
B_Ray
Alexander the Pretty Good
diablodelmar
Pannonian

Killed:
Sigurd Fafnesbane
discovery1
UltraWar
Zalmoxis
Tiberius
Silver Rusher

Executed:
Banquo's Ghost
Destroyer of Hope
The Spartan

[B-Wing]

What the crap? I thought the mafia were supposed to keep their identities secret until either side won! Guess I can't relax now. But we can still celebrate! *dances in a unmistakably caucasian manner*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm. What purpose could The Spartan have had in proclaiming his guilt? This could only help the town, if the detective found a mafioso he would know he was the last one and be able to reveal himself safely.

Therefore I Vote (or will after the next set of kills) Pannonian. Look at this:

14:23 The spartan claims he is no mafia
14:54 Pannonian votes for The Spartan
14:58 The Spartan confesses

Now, the people who voted for a known mafioso are obviosly going to be less suspect. The mafia could have talked it over and decided that since The Spartan was going to be executed they might as well use that to make the other mafioso seem innocent. That's the only explanation I can see for Spartan's confession.

Also, he was asking The General about whether the mafia could vote for eachother or would that break the "mafia can't kill eachother" rule. See page 7. Veerrry suspicious.

[Pannonian]

Hmm. What purpose could The Spartan have had in proclaiming his guilt? This could only help the town, if the detective found a mafioso he would know he was the last one and be able to reveal himself safely.

Therefore I Vote (or will after the next set of kills) Pannonian. Look at this:

14:23 The spartan claims he is no mafia
14:54 Pannonian votes for The Spartan
14:58 The Spartan confesses

Now, the people who voted for a known mafioso are obviosly going to be less suspect. The mafia could have talked it over and decided that since The Spartan was going to be executed they might as well use that to make the other mafioso seem innocent. That's the only explanation I can see for Spartan's confession.
I don't really see any explanation at all, considering according to GHC a few pages back it's one of the things a mafioso isn't allowed to do. If you go through the discussion I had with GHC, I asked him exactly what things a mafioso could or could not do to disguise himself, and thus what villagers could do to narrow the focus. Did I try to help the investigation by checking the rules, repeatedly chasing up GHC, so as to disguise any mafiadom? Why would a mafioso, without ever throwing attention from himself (IIRC, I'll check later when I do the spreadsheet), put the odds against him so when he can easily keep quiet and free from attention?

I've just seen that you've added the note about whether or not mafiosi can vote for each other. May I ask, wouldn't it be more sensible for a mafioso to ask GHC via PM, away from the public eye, if he wanted to clarify things? Why would a mafioso conspire his downfall in public, narrowing down his chances of survival? OTOH if a villager wanted to better focus his investigation, asking these questions and discussing in the public forum is the only thing he can do.

I'll probably be accused now of drawing attention to myself and publicly discussing the best way of finding the mafioso because that's precisely what a mafioso wouldn't do, and thus precisely what a mafioso would do as a brilliant disguise.

[Ignoramus]

I'm glad that I've assisted in removing one of the mafia. However, no one can be certain that he was actually one of them.

[scotchedpommes]

There would be little reason for him to confess in the event of his innocence.

[Pannonian]

I'm glad that I've assisted in removing one of the mafia. However, no one can be certain that he was actually one of them.
What struck me was that he was one of the most vocal characters in the previous 2 games, from the incessant whispers from the dead in the 2nd game to the comments and even votes in the 1st game, where he wasn't even a player. From that to the quiet background player in this game was a bit odd.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

I'm glad that I've assisted in removing one of the mafia. However, no one can be certain that he was actually one of them.whispers from the dead: i am. in fact GHC gave me this PM telling me im a mafiosi in this game:

Congratulations! :balloon2: You have been selected for the this frontroom mafia game: The Return Of The Mafia. (and it went on)
the reson i revealed myself is that i knew the mafia would lose. even if the one mafia could kill two people, he was still by himself and one day they would choose my partner...

[B-Wing]

I think it was a bad move, Spartan. No actual harm done from it, but I think it woulda been best to have kept it a secret. ~:)

Moving on, Sasaki, that's a very, very good argument. Pannonian makes an equally good counter-argument, though. I'm feeling more and more suspicious about Drisos, personally. It seems to me that the only thing he's done since the game started, besides an unconstructive comment or two, is "jump on the bandwagon". Not only that, but its consistently been with a strange amount of enthusiasm. Maybe that's just his style of voting, but it certainly seems questionable to me.

And Lemur, you're not off the hook yet either. But I'm not leaning as strongly toward killing you as I was anymore. I guess thinking we had won the game made me feel easier. But I've speculated enough; I'll wait for the next killings.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't really see any explanation at all, considering according to GHC a few pages back it's one of the things a mafioso isn't allowed to do. If you go through the discussion I had with GHC, I asked him exactly what things a mafioso could or could not do to disguise himself, and thus what villagers could do to narrow the focus. Did I try to help the investigation by checking the rules, repeatedly chasing up GHC, so as to disguise any mafiadom? Why would a mafioso, without ever throwing attention from himself (IIRC, I'll check later when I do the spreadsheet), put the odds against him so when he can easily keep quiet and free from attention?

I've just seen that you've added the note about whether or not mafiosi can vote for each other. May I ask, wouldn't it be more sensible for a mafioso to ask GHC via PM, away from the public eye, if he wanted to clarify things? Why would a mafioso conspire his downfall in public, narrowing down his chances of survival? OTOH if a villager wanted to better focus his investigation, asking these questions and discussing in the public forum is the only thing he can do.

I'll probably be accused now of drawing attention to myself and publicly discussing the best way of finding the mafioso because that's precisely what a mafioso wouldn't do, and thus precisely what a mafioso would do as a brilliant disguise.

You're right. Part of my assumption rests on you and The Spartan being poor strategists. If they were going to do it cleverly, one of the mafia would have voted for the The Spartan earlier on (they could have gotten the idea from your questions to The General). Your vote came when it was already 7-4 against The Spartan. However, Wonderland voted for The Spartan when it was 6-4 against him. He could also be one of the mafia--so far he's mostly lurked and bandwagoned. However, I've just thought of this, you could have asked the General about the rules before planning to vote for Spartan. Then when it seemed he was going to be executed you couldn't take back your earlier questions. Still, that would be poor strategy. I guess I suspect Wonderland more than you now...after all, I though Silver Rusher was acting suspicious and he turned out to be innocent. And two of the other suspicious acting people voted for The Spartan too soon for them to fit in with this theory. Anyone else have a theory as to why The Spartan confessed?

[Pannonian]

This ruddy spreadsheet is taking ages to do, and I'm only on page 2 of this thread. If I finish this, only to be murdered this coming round, I'm going to be bloody angry.

[B-Wing]

My vote goes to Pannonian. ~D

Just kidding man!

[Dooz]

The quoted passage Spartan posted could have been just something he wrote, so it's still possible he's messing with us all. Other than that, I was suspecting Sasaki a couple of votes ago. He's either really trying to find reasons and narrow things down and play the game, or he's trying to seem like he's doing all that when in fact, he's in the mafia. Who would suspect someone who seems to be doing good detective work? I didn't want to vote for him with a lot of votes on others because it wouldn't matter. All that would do is get negative attention and next round there'd probably be trouble. The plot thickens.

[Divinus Arma]

Woah! A confession! How gay! It makes the game ALOT easier! Now we only have ONE mafia left and the detective is actuallty useful! Oh well. It is kind of satisfying knowing that we got one of 'em.

Congratulations to B_Ray for an excellent argument! :2thumbsup: And Tiberius as well!

Now let us see how the game develops.:book:

(Cheers to the Handkerchief for making the front room more worthy to visit than before! :balloon2:)

[B-Wing]

If it helps to ease anyone's suspicions (I'm pretty sure I've been spelling that wrong) about my own alignment, I voted for The Spartan twice (pages 3 & 4), following the late Tiberius's reasoning. Good call, Tib! ~:thumb:

I think it could be worthwhile to examine the past voting patterns of those of us still alive. At least one person seemed to be very supportive of The Spartan in the first few rounds. I'm also wondering whether or not its safe to consider anyone who ever voted (or suggested voting) to execute The Spartan innocent. It seems like you'd endanger your partner in crime far too much by voting against him when someone else already has. To me, it would likewise be too risky to name my fellow mafioso when he hasn't already been named, because its impossible to know if someone else might jump in with you. Seems like it would be best to keep them as much out of people's minds as possible.

Want something to chew on? Read the exchanges between Uesugi Kenshin and The Spartan back on page 6. After this, U.K. doesn't say anything (anything worth saying, at least) until The Spartan has already admitted his guilt three times:

I vote for The Spartan, he admitted to it and the logic pointed to him anyway... General mind executing him with a giant tesla coil?
Forgive me if I'm slandering you, Uesugi.

[Drisos]

Leeks like my votes indeed would be the ones a mafioso would make as well.

I'm just weird. :laugh4:

[Peasant Phill]

I vote Pannonian for no other reason than pure bloodlust.

[Drisos]

no one has been killed yet lol.. :laugh4:

[Drisos]

Oh btw, The Spartan gave us the information on the second mafioso: That one must have killed Ultrawar, Sigurd Fardesbane and Tiberius.. let's find out who could've did that.. hmmmm:book:

[Pannonian]

Another question for GHC. I presume the mafia in this game have been at least reasonably active, but is there anything to stop a mafioso from PMing you with the kills to keep the game moving, but not participate in the discussions or even voting so as to keep out of sight, out of mind? If people are looking for suspicious behaviour on which to base their votes, this would seem a valid survival strategy to take the mafioso into at least the endgame, where his power would be magnified by the more favourable mafia-villagers ratio (at least it would, until The Spartan was caught). If the mafiosi are allowed to do this, a logical extension of that strategy would be to kill off the villagers who are actively discussing the events, since the quiet ones are probably absentees who aren't likely to vote for you, and the survivors will be looking for grudges that don't exist because there is no record of you.

So can GHC confirm that the mafiosi have at least been showing their face in the game? According to wiki and other sources, the original game had the players physically in the same room, so they could look at body language to help them find the mafiosi. To transpose that to this forum, it would be unfair if there were no clues at all regarding forum behaviour.

[Avicenna]

Well, it seems even as a non-detective I managed to lynch someone.

Lynch count: Lemur, Lemur, The Spartan.

[Moros]

Another question for GHC. I presume the mafia in this game have been at least reasonably active, but is there anything to stop a mafioso from PMing you with the kills to keep the game moving, but not participate in the discussions or even voting so as to keep out of sight, out of mind? If people are looking for suspicious behaviour on which to base their votes, this would seem a valid survival strategy to take the mafioso into at least the endgame, where his power would be magnified by the more favourable mafia-villagers ratio (at least it would, until The Spartan was caught). If the mafiosi are allowed to do this, a logical extension of that strategy would be to kill off the villagers who are actively discussing the events, since the quiet ones are probably absentees who aren't likely to vote for you, and the survivors will be looking for grudges that don't exist because there is no record of you.

So can GHC confirm that the mafiosi have at least been showing their face in the game? According to wiki and other sources, the original game had the players physically in the same room, so they could look at body language to help them find the mafiosi. To transpose that to this forum, it would be unfair if there were no clues at all regarding forum behaviour.
Yeah, that krazelic guy hasn't showed his face much, did he?
Tough I don't really think that it would be a verry good strategy. I mean it makes him suspicious perhaps not the first few rounds but doing that surely will make you more suspicious every round, no?

Now, when is that mafia guy going to strike again? I want to lynch the other one. Ah this is going to be an easy victory for the frontroom!

[GeneralHankerchief]

So can GHC confirm that the mafiosi have at least been showing their face in the game?

I encourage the mafia to take part actively, but it is up to them whether they actually do so or not.

With this, I confirm nothing.

[Drisos]

the second mafioso must be among the people that did not vote for the spartan. a mafioso tryin to achieve mafia victory would probably not vote for his mate ;)

[Dooz]

I don't think the mafia know who the other mafioso is, so that might not be entirely true.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I don't think the mafia know who the other mafioso is, so that might not be entirely true.

No, they know who their partner is.

BTW, kills are coming soon, I have other things to do right now.

[Lemur]

When Cowhead and I were co-mafiosos, we not only knew each other's identity, we corresponded every round. I would cc him on my kill PMs to GeneralHanky, and he would do the same for me.

So whoever the remaining thug, he knew full well about Spartan. What's surprising is that Spartan confessed. This has turned into an intresting game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet.

The evidence was accumulating, and it was not lost on Sasaki Kojiro. He had been conducting an investigation from the beginning, and had followed the trail of clues to an office building on the outskirts of town. It was late in the evening when he crept silently through the door and up a flight of stairs. There were voices coming from the only office in the building with a light on…

"…minor setback. I assure you, everything is going according to plan," Sasaki heard as he snuck in closer. “The weapon is nearly assembled. In fact, the final component should be arriving any moment now… ah, here it is. Arrivederci.” Sasaki heard the click of the phone being put down, and then the voice called out “Sasaki! Please, come in. I’ve been expecting you.”

Surprised that he had been spotted, Sasaki quickly regained his courage and boldly strode into the room. “I should have known it was you! I’m putting a stop to your insane plan here and now!”

The mafioso chuckled, sitting back in his chair behind the desk. “Oh, please. Do you still think you’re here by your own will? You can’t possibly imagine me to be so foolish as to have left you all those clues by accident.”

Realization dawned on Sasaki, and he bolted for the door, but it slammed shut. Out of nowhere two burly henchmen seized him and forced him into a chair, cuffing his wrists to it. “You have something I need, Mr. Kojiro,” said the mafioso, producing a blowtorch. “The top-secret code, if you please. You know what I speak of. The sooner you give in, the sooner this will all be over.”

Sasaki resisted as long as he could as the flame seared his feet, hands and face. Finally, he could hold out no longer and blurted out a string of numbers. The mafioso gave a slight smile and a nod to the henchmen. Moments later, Sasaki Kojiro’s neck was snapped.

Later that day, B_Ray got into his car to run some errands. Climbing in and shutting the door, he turned the key in the ignition – but nothing happened. Wait a minute… what was that faint humming noise coming from behind him? B_Ray glanced in the rear-view mirror, and what he saw nearly stopped his heart.

A thin pane of glass had been erected between the front and the back of the car, completely sealing them off from each other. The back was filled with huge, angry-looking waspish insects. B_Ray made a move to open the door and get out when a voice coming through an electronic transmitter stopped him. “I wouldn’t try to open the door if I were you,” it said. “As soon as you pull the handle that barrier comes down. Those are Vespa Mandarinia, Mr. Ray – Asian giant hornets. They make killer bees seem like butterflies.”

B_Ray cried out in frustration and anger. “What the heck are you doing, you sick freak?! Let me out of here!” There was silence except for the buzzing of the wasps. “You won’t get away with this! What is it you want? I know you can hear me!” “What I want, Mr. Ray, is something you couldn’t possibly understand,” the voice finally responded. “Believe me when I say that in death you will serve a far greater good than you ever could have served in life.”

“Whatever it is you’re planning, you’ll never succeed!” shouted B_Ray. “Don’t you see it’s over? Your partner is dead! I saw him torn to pieces by lions, and soon you’ll share the same fate!” “And this makes you confident, does it?” The mafioso chuckled evilly. When he spoke, his voice was full of nastiness. “You self-righteous people in this backward town wouldn’t recognize a greater cause if it jumped down your own throats! I’m going to finish what I’ve started, and nothing will stop me!”

B_Ray realized the mafioso would never let him out alive, and decided to take his chances. He grabbed the door handle and pulled, hoping to flee as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, he wasn’t fast enough. The glass barrier collapsed, and the wasps swarmed over him before he was halfway out of the car. B_Ray’s screams echoed through the neighborhood, but only for a few short moments.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the remaining villagers to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, "it is my sad duty to report two more deaths. Therefore, we must begin the voting once again."

ANNOUNCEMENT FROM GH:

I will be out of town and not be back until Wednesday. However, the voting procedure will go on.

-Voting will be done over a 36-hour period from the time of this post. After that period is over, there will be no more votes and you should stand by for the execution.

-If there is a tie, then we will enter a 24-hour tiebreaker period. All previous votes are wiped and anyone still alive can vote for either of the two (or three) people with the most votes. So if Person A has 5 votes, Person B has 5 votes, and Person C has 3 votes, you can only vote for Persons A or B.

-If we're still tied up, all votes will once again be wiped clean and the first person to vote again after the 24-hour period will decide it.

I look forward to an interesting discussion when I return. :bow:

General Hankerchief

[Divinus Arma]

WAIT! So where is the list of who is alive and dead, etc? And do you mean that Sasaki was the detective?

People, we should have some good evidence. Let's go back over the votes and what has been said. B_Ray and Sasaki have both been providing good investigatory work.

[AggonyDuck]

Still alive:
Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
SSNeoperestroika
Csar
AggonyDuck
evil_maniac from mars
Orb
Ice
Uesugi Kenshin
Eclectic
Lemur
Ignoramus
Kommodus
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Ianofsmeg16
Gertgregoor
littlelostboy
Cowhead418
Divine Wind
Wonderland
Stormcrow
Kralizec
Kagemusha
Hiji
Alexander the Pretty Good
diablodelmar
Pannonian

Killed:
Sigurd Fafnesbane
discovery1
UltraWar
Zalmoxis
Tiberius
Silver Rusher
Sasaki Kojiro
B_Ray

Executed:
Banquo's Ghost
Destroyer of Hope
The Spartan

[Drisos]

Indeed.. sasaki and/or b_ray might have been killed because they were close to getting a vote going for the last maffioso..

though the B_ray killing might as well be an attempt to frame me.. lol.. he seems the only one ever pointed at me as 'suspicious'. :book: :balloon2: :help:

the game is getting more intresting by the day.. ~:):book:

I vote Uesugi Kenshin

[Pannonian]

Having collated up to page 6, I would say Uesugi Kenshin looks the most suspicious so far. The Spartan voted Destroyer of Hope at the start of the round (his was the first post after the murders), then there ws a bandwagon for Uesugi Kenshin until he protested his innocence in post #152, at which point the score was 4-2 UK-DoH. UK's vote made it 4-3, and the DoH bandwagon collected momentum thereafter, ending in his execution.

UK has been pretty quiet since his reprieve beyond throwing suspicion SSNeo's way in post #209 (without offering an explanation), and being the last to vote for The Spartan in post #281 when the mafioso had already confessed. I would interpret that as keeping quiet to keep away from attention and hence not gather votes, and voting for his partner when he was dead anyway.

Various posters have pointed to other reasons as well, but these are purely the voting and posting patterns. FWIW, Eclectic and Ignoramus offer reasons for their suspicion of UK in the posts #140-odd.

My vote goes to Uesugi Kenshin.

Edit: When the score was 4-4, post #162 by The Spartan specifically discounts UK without giving a reason. DoH eventually got another vote, bringing his total to 5, while evil maniac from mars switched his vote to Divine Wind, and Ignoramus switched his vote to me.

Also, check out the exchange between UK and The Spartan in posts #162, #164, #166.

[Pannonian]

Indeed.. sasaki and/or b_ray might have been killed because they were close to getting a vote going for the last maffioso..

though the B_ray killing might as well be an attempt to frame me.. lol.. he seems the only one ever pointed at me as 'suspicious'. :book: :balloon2: :help:

Lucky you. Both B_Ray and Sasaki Kojiro fingered me as highly suspicious, though both conceded that my actions would have been extremely stupid for a mafioso looking to survive. I've voted UK as well, with reasons given below.

If either Sasaki or B_Ray are detectives, could they share their detective work with us? The rules say that you're not allowed to reveal yourselves to the villagers one-by-one, but there is nothing about the villagers finding your notes after your deaths. And the main restraint, the threat of being murdered the round after you reveal yourselves, is moot now anyway.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Once the Detective is dead, his information dies with him.

*leaves*

Edit: E, I only post the status list after an execution.

[Pannonian]

Once the Detective is dead, his information dies with him.

*leaves*
Bugger. I'd hoped you had left, and we could get the information from the detective before you got back and told us it wasn't allowed.

[Moros]

I vote Pannonian. The two victims had said that he was suspicious. And now they die. Perhaps coïncedence perhaps not. It makes him suspicious if you ask me.

[scotchedpommes]

I vote Pannonian. The two victims had said that he was suspicious. And now they die. Perhaps coïncedence perhaps not. It makes him suspicious if you ask me.

Clearly that could quite easily be an attempt to frame him.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Ugh, you guys are about to make another big mistake. I am NOT a member of the mafia, and executing me will only make it even more likely that you will all be killed.

Pannonian just because The Spartan backed me up as innocent when I was first accused of being a member of the mafia does not mean I am a mafioso. It makes no sense for a member of the mafia to specifically say his partner is innocent. Ideally they should have nothing to do with each other publicly so it will be all the more unlikely that they are linked to each other.

Also the only reason I was the last to vote for The Spartan was that I had work that day and wasn't at the computer until then!

As to my vote for DoH it was only an attempt to keep myself from being lynched because I know I am innocent and he had the next highest number of votes and could possibly have been in the mafia.

If you vote for me you are making a huge mistake.

I vote for Pannonian because as everyone knows an accused villager is the mafia's best friend because he can be lynched and buy the mafia another round of murders and he has been trying pretty hard to find evidence of my guilt, even though it is all circumstantial. Also he has the next most votes...

If you're innocent Pannonian I'm sorry if I get you lynched, but you started it.

[Moros]

Clearly that could quite easily be an attempt to frame him.
Hmm yeah. But well UK seems innocent to me, just because The spartan didn't vote for him in one round... I find that an even worse reason. And voting for another member would be even more of a guess. At least there's a reason he gets one. Therefore I stick with my choice as all the other members are even more a guess and more likly to be innocent.

Yes He probably isn't a mafia but more likly then others. Pannonian it is.

[Pannonian]

Ugh, you guys are about to make another big mistake. I am NOT a member of the mafia, and executing me will only make it even more likely that you will all be killed.

Pannonian just because The Spartan backed me up as innocent when I was first accused of being a member of the mafia does not mean I am a mafioso. It makes no sense for a member of the mafia to specifically say his partner is innocent. Ideally they should have nothing to do with each other publicly so it will be all the more unlikely that they are linked to each other.

It would be logical for mafia members to have nothing to do with each other publicly. However, at that point The Spartan had not yet been exposed, and you were looking likely to be executed, being 2 votes ahead of your nearest rival (whom The Spartan voted for). You added your vote for Destroyer of Hope, reducing the deficit to one, then The Spartan added his comment that he did not think you were a mafioso.

What was there for The Spartan to lose by this comment? Perhaps the link might make him vulnerable, but if you were executed and he remained alive, no-one would know of the link. After all, the detective wasn't likely to reveal himself until he had found both mafiosi, upon which the game would be up anyway. What was there for The Spartan to gain by this comment? Keeping a fellow mafioso alive, increasing the chances of a mafia victory. With a fellow mafioso in trouble, The Spartan may have felt the need to drum up support, as at that point there were many posts but no more votes to tip the balance towards DoH. One may note that there were a number of posts by Uesugi Kenshin during that period calling for support, as there were many posts but no more votes. The situation changed towards the end of the round, but during the period The Spartan was offering his support for UK the latter looked likely to be executed.



Also the only reason I was the last to vote for The Spartan was that I had work that day and wasn't at the computer until then!

A reason outside the game and hence not something we can verify. Alone, it would not be a reason for suspicion. Together with the mutual pattern of voting with a known mafioso, the quietness which is a recognised mafia strategy, and the arguments offered by Eclectic and Ignoramus in posts #144, #147 and #149, which have not been refuted or explained, the signs would point to you being The Spartan's fellow mafioso.



As to my vote for DoH it was only an attempt to keep myself from being lynched because I know I am innocent and he had the next highest number of votes and could possibly have been in the mafia.

Alone it would not be conclusive proof you were a mafioso. Combined with the other evidence, it is part of a bigger picture portraying a guilty party.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

What was there for The Spartan to gain by this comment?

Pannonian by supporting me The Spartan was gaining a patsy in a later round. The purpose of that comment is being fulfilled right now, I am going to be a waisted lynching and the mafia will be one round closer to victory.


the arguments offered by Eclectic and Ignoramus in posts #144, #147 and #149, which have not been refuted or explained

I dealt with posts 144 and 147 when I was first accused, and Ignoramus didn't have a reason in post 149, he was saying that he regreted voting against another member of the Citadel Total War mod team, but would anyway.

All of your evidence is very circumstantial and if I am lynched you will just have spent a lot of effort trying to help the mafia win by earning them another round of kills.

[Pannonian]

If anyone thinks I am just jumping on a bandwagon and victimising another villager, bear in mind that my original suspicions were of Sasaki Kojiro and B_Ray. Their murders obviously proved my suspicions were wrong, so I continued my spreadsheet looking at posting and voting patterns. As I went through round 2, I saw the suspicions raised about Uesugi Kenshin (he hadn't registered on my radar at that point), and I went through the other posts checking his record. The results I've posted above, with the relevant post numbers which anyone can check for themselves if they don't want to take my word for it.

IMHO UK fits the bigger picture as his lack of presence is a known mafia strategy for avoiding attention, as many have discussed here. Individual posts have aroused attention, as I have listed above, which haven't been adequately explained. Finally, the pattern of posting and voting by UK and The Spartan in the 2nd round when UK was in danger completes the picture.

Previously, I have tried to narrow down the list of possibilities of mafiosi by finding out what they could or could not do, thus giving us a method to choose by instead of blindly looking at the last couple of posts by any one poster and deducing guilt. This placed me in danger of execution as I was making myself more prominent, and in danger of assassination as I was exposing possible mafia activity without giving myself the insurance of naming possible mafiosi who could not thereafter kill me without arousing suspicion (the mistake one mafioso made early in the 1st game, what Lemur strenuously avoided doing in the 2nd game, and something that hsa been mentioned a number of times in this game). Uesugi Kenshin is the first person I've named outside my votes, and I've given my reasoning in detail.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I would have preferred two buxom henchwomen to two burly henchmen for the torture scene...just a note to any future mafiosos.

I'm itching to comment on who I suspect, but it wouldn't be right really, seeing as I'm dead. I should have mentioned a couple people I suspect before I got killed, there were some others besides wonderland. Oh well.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Sasaki if you investigated me this is really going to suck.:embarassed:

Pannonian the reason I was relatively inactive was I have never been all that active unless I have something to say and I went to see Snakes on a Plane last night and had friends over the nights before that. Yeah it's outside the scope of the game, but if you're going to try to lynch me I may as well use every argument I have.

On another note doesn't anyone else fit your mafia profile???
If nobody else does then I guess the mafia have become wise to how obvious some of their strategies are and have started mixing things up a bit.

BTW Pannonian I explained those posts, stop being lazy and check out my response, which ultimately proved me innocent in at least Eclectic's eyes.

Hopefully soon he'll arrive and stop this pointless lynching....

[Kommodus]

Pannonian gives some fairly plausible arguments here. I think I'll have to vote for Uesugi Kenshin. UK, if I'm wrong, I deeply apologize.

BTW, I've noticed that a number of people have begun keeping spreadsheets to tabulate votes and look for voting patterns. I already have a spreadsheet for that purpose, originally created in the previous game. If anyone wants it, PM me your e-mail address and I'll send it to you.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I'd just like to point out that the spreadsheets are inherently flawed because they are easily deceived by the halfway-competent mafioso, and if I had been in the mafia I would have made certain to vote for my partner once or twice to throw off the amatuer detectives in the crowd.

[Drisos]

mmm.. if it's not Uesugi Kenshin doubts will arise in my mind.. hmm

in that case we have lemur executed ~:) he wants to anyway :laugh4: :book: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :2thumbsup:

[Orb]

I honestly don't have a clue who's guilty, so I'll vote for Lemur

[Divinus Arma]

I actually had a dream about this game last night. :dizzy2:

I was looking at the alive/killed/executed list when I realized that there were only six people left alive (me included). It occurred to me that we only had two turns to find the mafia before we all were killed! :skull:

I visit the Org waaaaaay too much. :laugh4:

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'm deciding between two: Uesugi Kenshin and Divine Wind.


I think I'll go with Uesugi Kenshin. He just seems so much more suspicious.

[B-Wing]

I'm itching to comment on who I suspect, but it wouldn't be right really, seeing as I'm dead. I should have mentioned a couple people I suspect before I got killed, there were some others besides wonderland. Oh well.


-When you are dead, either having been killed or executed, you no longer can play. You can speculate about who killed you, but that's it. Your vote no longer counts.

A few hours after daybreak, Peasant Phill approaches his toolshed to fetch the equipment he will need to begin the day's work. As he reaches to push open the door, it suddenly quakes with a loud clangor from the other side. The startled peasant immediately retracts his hand and takes two rapid steps back. A couple seconds pass as a mixture of confusion, curiosity, caution, and fear swirls through his mind. His eyes, frozen on the door, widen when it swings open.

Phill's eyes were accustomed to the numerous shadows inside his crowded and poorly roofed shed, but not to the dreadful shadow that was the figure standing before him. An obsidian cloak concealed the shape of a man, hiding even the hand holding the terrible scythe that stood next to it.

Phill stumbled backward onto the ground. He noticed the few inches of empty space between the floor and the bottom of the figure's cloak and his paniced trembling intensified. As he pleaded silently with the wraith standing in the doorway, it spoke in an unexpectedly familiar voice. "Hi Phill!" The last thing the poor peasant expected at this point was to be put at ease, and he stuttered out a perplexed, "Uhh-h-hi?"

"Here's your scythe," the black being replied, gesturing with the harvesting tool. "Uhhwha... er-you... uh.. uhh... are you the Grim Reaper?" Phil responded, unsure if he should allow his fears to diminish so rapidly. The hooded head of the dark figure, its face undetecable, titled a little to the side, as if mildly confused, and from it came the answer, "No... I'm B_Ray, man! Well, I'm my ghost, actually, but didn't you recognize my voice?"

Peasant Phill temperament now changed from fear to annoyance. "What's with the freakin' robe, man?! And why are you here, on my farm? And what inspired you to rummage through my shed for my scythe, banging on the door right when I get here??"

"Oh, sorry man, I didn't mean to scare you... I didn't even know you there. I haven't quite figured out the physical laws of being a semi-corporeal being yet. See, I can pass through walls and stuff, but apparently anything I'm carrying can't, so I kind of ran into the door on my way out because I was holding the scythe. Its kind of embarassing, really. But I was just going to help you out a little, as my small thanks for raising all our wheat. I never really told you how much I appreciated your service, as the town's only peasant, when I was alive, so I thought I should do so now... Oh, and I'm only wearing the cloak because my body is completely covered in hornet stings, and its rather unsightly."

Phill paused for a moment. "Well, uh, thanks man."
"No, thank you, Peasant Phill!" B_Ray responded.
Phill nodded. "Its my pleasure."

"Anyway," B_Ray's ghost carried on, "the main reason I came to you is because I want to talk to you about my murder."
"Understandable," Phill replied.
The ghost continued, "Yeah, I think you and the others who are looking to execute Pannonian are making a mistake!"
"Really?" asked Phill.
B_Ray explained, "Yeah, I'm almost certain it was Uesugi Kenshin. Me and Sasaki Kojiro were both very verbal about Pannonian, but there's more conclusive evidence against Kenshin than him. Besides, if Pannonian were the last mafioso, he had to realize that killing both of his primary critics in the same day would get him lynched, if not now then later. And I find it telling that I was murdered immediately after pointing out Kenshin and The Spartan's cooperation from a few days ago.

And since the murders, no one has been acting more guilty than Kenshin. He's the only one trying to convince people not to lynch him because it would be a wasted opportunity to execute the 'real killer'. He even tried to discredit the usefulness of spreadsheets. Pannonian's only been offering evidence in his defence, rather than swearing up and down that he's not a mafioso.

The other people I'm most suspicious about are Drisos, Gertgregoor, and..."
"And who?" asked Phill.
"...well, I think I'll hold my peace on that one. That's all for now. But consider my request and tell the others what I've said! Do whatever seems best to you, Phill. I must get back now. I hope I don't see you anytime soon! Oh, and thanks for the all the wheat!"

The cloak collapsed onto the ground and Peasant Phill went back to his daily routine.

[Ignoramus]

If you're dead, you're not allowed to show people your suspicions.

[Cowhead418]

Well, the evidence is too much in favor of Uesugi Kenshin for me not to vote him. Whether or not he is guilty, we should kill him off just to be sure.

On another note, I'm very disappointed in The Spartan for revealing himself. Although this makes my job much easier, in my opinion it was bad for the game. It would have been much better if we were all kept in the dark, and as an ex-mafioso I frown on such behavior. Last game, even when Tiberius showed everyone irrefutable proof of Lemur's guilt, he still fought for his innocence to the bitter end, and he even managed to convince some people. I want this game to go down to the wire in an exciting finish, but it the future for the mafia looks bleak.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Ah well at least I escaped the first lynching, that doesn't happen too often....

I hope the mafia manages to exact some revenge on my murderers, because at least then I won't be the only one headed for an early grave.

[Avicenna]

If you're dead, you're not allowed to show people your suspicions.

I think you are. You just can't vote, or reveal information if you're a detective.

[Lemur]

in that case we have lemur executed ~:) he wants to anyway
The day I want you to lay your filthy little villager mitts on me, I'll let you know. I'm very irritated that the current mafioso ripped off my "death by bees" idea. You'd think he could come up with his own stuff. Although the glass barrier was a nice touch.

It's pretty early in the voting to hope for results from the spreadsheets. And it's going to be much harder now that there's nobody the mafioso can't vote for.

I have no clue either, so I'm going to vote for Orb. Until I see a compelling pattern, I'm gonna reciprocate these little votes, lads.

[Avicenna]

The wind howls in the graveyard, and the leaves are blown thrown about wildly. In the midst of this, a faint glow is seen, in the shape of the late Tiberius. A large, sharp piece of rock is seen to float, carving out some symbols on a nearby log.

The wind dies down, and everything is as it was before. On inspection, the log is seen to read:

Stealing Lemur's ideas a lot is a very nice pattern, casting suspicion on all who knew of them. This makes cowhead or lemur likely candidates as mafia, since the hankerchief general won't be.

[Lemur]

Yo, dead guy, I mentioned death by bees in this thread. No mystery there. I requested death by bees, and then the filthy little mafioso gave it to somebody else. Really cheesed me off.

[AggonyDuck]

Well I'm not really sure on who to vote. Currently only a few people are attracting attention, while the rest seem to try to hide by inactivity.

Anyways, I'm going to vote forUesugi Kenshin. He is a bit suspicious and as an avid Takeda fan I feel that it is my duty to add an another nail to his coffin. :bow:

[Divine Wind]

~:snowman:

The Snowman of Death thinks Uesugi Kenshin's long winded posts, trying to save his neck are a tad suspicious.

Therefore, our vote goes to Uesugi Kenshin.

[Reenk Roink]

I still have a grudge... Execute Pannonian! :rtwno:

[Divinus Arma]

Uesugi Kenshin

Sorry Bro. Seems the tide has turned back toward ya. :no:

[Pannonian]

Snip unimportant stuff.
Why the name change again?

[Divinus Arma]

Why the name change again?

Meh. Why not? I have a God complex. :laugh4:

[Ignoramus]

Pannonian. All the evidence points to him. How easy is it to murder Zalmoxis and frame himself in so obvious a manner that everyone knows it is a framing of Pannonian, and then play the innocent party and claim that he's been framed.

This is why B_Ray got killed; because of this post.

"Nothing conclusive here. It would be a rather natural conclusion for us to suppose someone with a name like Pannonian was responsible for Zalmoxis' murder, based on the fact that it was done in a very, um, "Thracian" manner. Overly obvious. So obvious that no one else, except Pannonian even suggested it. But imagine if the murder had been set up in this style just so the murderer could defend his innocence by claiming that the "frame" was only too obvious. That would be a pretty good cover.

However, the fact that Pannonian actually mentioned the possibility that he was meant to be framed without anyone else first accusing him makes me very doubtful that he's actually a mafioso. It would be a very foolish mafioso who would point out his own connection to the murder when it would have otherwise gone unnoticed. But, if the mafioso is in fact a fool, the fact that his somewhat elaborate allibi couldn't be used due to the fact that no one even seemed to notice the obvious connection might hurt his pride and tempt him to point out his allibi unnecessarily."

And this is why Sasaki Kojiro got killed:

(Remember that The Spartan was the other mafia, so Pannonian gets to kill two villagers.)


"Therefore I Vote (or will after the next set of kills) Pannonian. Look at this:

14:23 The spartan claims he is no mafia
14:54 Pannonian votes for The Spartan
14:58 The Spartan confesses

'Now, the people who voted for a known mafioso are obviosly going to be less suspect. The mafia could have talked it over and decided that since The Spartan was going to be executed they might as well use that to make the other mafioso seem innocent. That's the only explanation I can see for Spartan's confession.

Also, he was asking The General about whether the mafia could vote for eachother or would that break the "mafia can't kill eachother" rule. See page 7. Veerrry suspicious.'"

[Divinus Arma]

Okay. I have been going over the posts of Pannonian and Uesugi Kenshin, since these two are the main two suspects. The current vote stands at:

Pannonian: Ignoramus, Reenk Roink, Gertgregoor, Peasant Phil,

Uesugi Kenshin: Eclectic/Divinus Arma (me), Divine Wind, Aggony Duck, Cowhead418, evil maniac from mars, Pannonian, Kommodus (and B-Ray's ghost recommends UK),

Orb: Lemur

Lemur: Orb

Drisos, did you vote for UK or Lemur? Can you clarify please?

Activity being considered:

(1) Sasaki Kojiro made an argument against Pannonian, which Pannonian defended against, leaving Sasaki to reconsider. Sasaki was killed in the very next round.


Is this the work of Pannonian, who does not want to be looked at again by Sasaki? Or is this the work of Uesugi Kenshin, realzing that he may be soon targeted?

(2) Pannonian has questioned what the mafia are allowed to do. (Post 289 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1220033&postcount=289))(Post 305 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1220266&postcount=305))


I don't find this suspicious at all. I asked what the detective is allowed to do, but obviously I wasn't the detective since he was killed. I think it is a fair line oif questioning.

(3) B_Ray made one of the best arguments against the first mafioso, leading many to vote against The Spartan. B_Ray was subsequently killed in the very next round.


Clearly, the remaining mafia must have felt that B_Ray was a little too clever, and that perhaps his future arguments would lead to the final discovery.

(4) B_Ray, just before his death, stated: Want something to chew on? Read the exchanges between Uesugi Kenshin and The Spartan back on page 6. After this, U.K. doesn't say anything (anything worth saying, at least) until The Spartan has already admitted his guilt three times.


VERY suspicious. No one had yet been killed in this round, so perhaps B_Ray had revealed his arguments against Uesugi Kenshin a bit too early, thus leading to his demise.

(5) Uesugi Kenshin's remarks here:


Ugh, you guys are about to make another big mistake. I am NOT a member of the mafia, and executing me will only make it even more likely that you will all be killed.

Pannonian just because The Spartan backed me up as innocent when I was first accused of being a member of the mafia does not mean I am a mafioso. It makes no sense for a member of the mafia to specifically say his partner is innocent. Ideally they should have nothing to do with each other publicly so it will be all the more unlikely that they are linked to each other.

Also the only reason I was the last to vote for The Spartan was that I had work that day and wasn't at the computer until then!

As to my vote for DoH it was only an attempt to keep myself from being lynched because I know I am innocent and he had the next highest number of votes and could possibly have been in the mafia.

If you vote for me you are making a huge mistake.

I vote for Pannonian because as everyone knows an accused villager is the mafia's best friend because he can be lynched and buy the mafia another round of murders and he has been trying pretty hard to find evidence of my guilt, even though it is all circumstantial. Also he has the next most votes...

If you're innocent Pannonian I'm sorry if I get you lynched, but you started it


Pannonian by supporting me The Spartan was gaining a patsy in a later round. The purpose of that comment is being fulfilled right now, I am going to be a waisted lynching and the mafia will be one round closer to victory.

I dealt with posts 144 and 147 when I was first accused, and Ignoramus didn't have a reason in post 149, he was saying that he regreted voting against another member of the Citadel Total War mod team, but would anyway.

All of your evidence is very circumstantial and if I am lynched you will just have spent a lot of effort trying to help the mafia win by earning them another round of kills.


Sasaki if you investigated me this is really going to suck.

Pannonian the reason I was relatively inactive was I have never been all that active unless I have something to say and I went to see Snakes on a Plane last night and had friends over the nights before that. Yeah it's outside the scope of the game, but if you're going to try to lynch me I may as well use every argument I have.

On another note doesn't anyone else fit your mafia profile???
If nobody else does then I guess the mafia have become wise to how obvious some of their strategies are and have started mixing things up a bit.

BTW Pannonian I explained those posts, stop being lazy and check out my response, which ultimately proved me innocent in at least Eclectic's eyes.

Hopefully soon he'll arrive and stop this pointless lynching....


The behavior of a liar is an interesting thing. In person, there are obvious clues that give us an indication as to whethere one is being honest or not. For example, a liar will divert his eyes towards the ceiling 'reaching' at one side of the brain or the other depending on whether they are using the memory or creativity half. Sadly, we do not have interpersonal communication. What we do have is conversation analysis. Look at the behavior of everyone here who is searching for the killer: Sasaki, B-Ray, myself, Pannonian: All of us are trying to narrow down the list and use logic very directly. When accused, we give an account of ourselves and use the same logic to counter the argument. Uesugi Kenshin does not do this, but for in small amounts. Those who tell the truth are very direct, those who lie are very indirect. Liars always look for an "escape" from their predicament rather than facing it head on and challenging it.

And these are almost confessions:


Ah well at least I escaped the first lynching, that doesn't happen too often....


I'd just like to point out that the spreadsheets are inherently flawed because they are easily deceived by the halfway-competent mafioso, and if I had been in the mafia I would have made certain to vote for my partner once or twice to throw off the amatuer detectives in the crowd


Sasaki if you investigated me this is really going to suck



Uesugi Kenshin is the last Mafia.

[scotchedpommes]

The last 3 votes came in after the allowed voting time, didn't they? I would have
voted also but was unable to get online before the deadline.

[Cowhead418]

The last 3 votes came in after the allowed voting time, didn't they? I would have
voted also but was unable to get online before the deadline.Actually, the General said he'd be gone for three days, so the voting is not over for at least two more days. You can still vote, and those last three votes still count.

[scotchedpommes]

I realise he will not be here.


-Voting will be done over a 36-hour period from the time of this post.

Link (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1220843&postcount=313).

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Well Eclectic that's a fairly good analysis, but I was just trying to save my neck and not lying. Sorry to dissappoint but when I die you'll be giving the mafia another chance to win.

The reason I haven't made a lot of effort to find the mafia yet is that there really isn't enough to go on yet, and I think that spreadsheets are inherently flawed because they can be so easily overcome by the clever mafioso.

[Divinus Arma]

By the way, UK, I am not implying anything other than that your comments have been similar to that of someone who is lying. That, and I think you are the last Mafia. :laugh4:

[Ignoramus]

I believe UK, if he really was one of the mafia, he would have defended himself tooth and nail. As it is, I think that he is a victim of "mob madness".

[Drisos]

Divinus/Eclectic,

My vote was to Uesugi Kenshin.

I just mentioned, if he's not the last mafia (I think he is), in the next I will vote Lemur, because he wants to be executed anyway :2thumbsup:

btw, .. Excellent points you made there, divinus.

[Divinus Arma]

There is nothing I find more amusing then this:


BTW Pannonian I explained those posts, stop being lazy and check out my response, which ultimately proved me innocent in at least Eclectic's eyes.

Hopefully soon he'll arrive and stop this pointless lynching....

I guess you kinda didn't see this comin eh? Arevederci indeed. We're gonna arevederci you in the gallows you murdering scum!

(I'm gonna die laughing if he ain't the mafia. :laugh4: )

[Moros]

Wiat, now you're name is divinus Arma, again? :dizzy2:

Anyway, what detective work, DA!
Btw: here's the list of people who have voted for the spartan:
Tiberius
b_ray
AggonyDuck
Ignoramus
Drisos
Eclectic
Peasant Phill
Wonderland
Pannonian
So I guess we can assume their innocent or more likly to be innocent. (?) (I haven't deleted the ones that are killed from the list.

Anyway, I change my vote to UK, as Eclec...err I mean Divinus made a verry good point.

[Pannonian]

Wiat, now you're name is divinus Arma, again? :dizzy2:

Anyway, what detective work, DA!
Btw: here's the list of people who have voted for the spartan:
Tiberius
b_ray
AggonyDuck
Ignoramus
Drisos
Eclectic
Peasant Phill
Wonderland
Pannonian
So I guess we can assume their innocent or more likly to be innocent. (?) (I haven't deleted the ones that are killed from the list.

Anyway, I change my vote to UK, as Eclec...err I mean Divinus made a verry good point.
You've missed out UK, who posted for The Spartan in post #281. However, since The Spartan confessed in post #271, this isn't much of an indicator of innocence. GHC remarked it would be pretty stupid for a mafioso to vote for his partner if his partner was in danger, but if he's already confessed, the danger is unavoidable.

Looking at my questions, I've just realised there's a fairly reliable game-spoliing strategy the mafia can use in any game. I don't really want to reveal it in public, since it'll probably spoil future games, but I hope GHC will discuss it when he comes back, and anyone else who's interested once this game is over.

[Moros]

You've missed out UK, who posted for The Spartan in post #281. However, since The Spartan confessed in post #271, this isn't much of an indicator of innocence. GHC remarked it would be pretty stupid for a mafioso to vote for his partner if his partner was in danger, but if he's already confessed, the danger is unavoidable.

That's why I left him out. When someone confesses it doesn't make a difference anymore.

[Drisos]

as sasaki and pannonian said before.. the other mafioso might have voted for the spartan when it was clear that he would be executed anyway.. of course this lais suspicions on UK... but if the killings continue (a BIG if) perhaps wonderland would be a nice choice? or has he proven innocent by not being offline during the killing time before? i don't recall correctly..

hmmm..

btw, anyone checked SSNeoperestroika for being online during the last two kills session? I just wonder..

gah.. I'm thinking too much forward anyway.. lets wait and see if UK is indeed the mafioso.. :book: :balloon2: :balloon2:

[Uesugi Kenshin]

There is nothing I find more amusing then this:



I guess you kinda didn't see this comin eh? Arevederci indeed. We're gonna arevederci you in the gallows you murdering scum!

(I'm gonna die laughing if he ain't the mafia. :laugh4: )

Better get ready to die then...:no:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: im (in)famous!!!!!!!!!!!!! in almost every word the word: The Spartan shows up!

[scotchedpommes]

Drisos, your overeagerness to direct suspicion my way is disturbing. You can
expect my vote in future.

I say so with this in mind also:

After we kill the Spartan... I say - Off with SSNeoperestroika's head. That last posts make me very suspicious...!

Said after I simply attempted to defend another villager.

[Drisos]

You are voting on people that disturb you rather then voting expected-mafia-members? :inquisitive:

[Peasant Phill]

I'm changing my vote from Pannonian to Uesugi Kenshin.

Why? I still find Pannonian highly suspicious but UK is acting even more suspicous now. UK is really fighting every allegation people throw at him. His attempts to explain himself are sometimes very weak and furthermore he acts very aggressive:
Better get ready to die then...

Even if UK isn't our beloved delinquent with appropriate south European accent, he deserves to be executed for his annoying behavior.

BTW I'm very honoured by your visit B-Ray It was time acknowledged that my knowledge of farming keeps this village fed and that my knowledge of the occult keeps the villagers lusting for blood. Besides was your third suspect by any chance me?

[Ignoramus]

Was B_Ray the detective?

[Moros]

Was B_Ray the detective?
Was he the detective? Is the detective dead?
I tought he was just doing antoher whsipsers from the death...
The detective however can't tell who he investigated right? Otherwise it would have at least been easier. even if he didn't discover a mafia yet, it would've at least made it easier.

Are you sure he was?

[scotchedpommes]

You are voting on people that disturb you rather then voting expected-mafia-members? :inquisitive:

I will vote for you because you have actively encouraged others to vote for,
and so execute me, with no reason.

[B-Wing]

Gertgregoor faintly hears B_Ray's voice emanating from the direction of the wind,


-In addition to there being two mafiosi, there will also be one Detective who is working on the side of the villagers. Every session the Detective will PM me "investigating" whether a person is in the mafia or not. I will tell him whether that person is or isn't a mafia. The detective's identity is secret to everybody except for me. He can choose to reveal his identity when naming a mafioso, but be advised unless your advice is heeded and that mafioso was the only one left, it's probably a suicidal move.

So yes, the detective can reveal himself and his investigations, at least while he is alive, but its up to the rest of the village to believe him. Normally, even a ghost's claim to detectivity (fun word) would be questionable, due to the impossibility of knowing whether that person might actually be a mafioso who had been successfully executed. But at this point in the game, since The Spartan has already admitted his guilt, anyone, whether dead or alive, who claims to be the detective has no reason to be doubted. The only reason to lie about it would be if you are the last remaining mafioso, in which case you'd be promptly executed the next turn. So, since the General is not around to clarify the rules, I won't say anything either way about my position in life.

[Moros]

So you are, right? Or was?

[Divinus Arma]

I thought sasaki was the detective.

[Moros]

I can't follow this anymore. :dizzy2:
:shakes his head:

[Silver Rusher]

I haven't really caught up with the game but I would like to thank everyone who may have been about to but didn't vote for me before I was murdered, and I would especially like to thank the mafia for killing me even when there was some suspicion surrounding me. I also like the way I was killed too. Made me look a bit athletic, although I would like to say at this point that I was in Croatia, not Italy. It was a good trip. From the glimpses of posts that I have seen up to this point the game seems to have taken quite a complicated path.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I am back.

Give me some time to catch up on everything and stand by for the execution.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It was execution time in the Frontroom. The angry mob carried Uesugi Kenshin up to the once-secret execution platform where he would be dropped to a pit of hungry lions. This was fine for the crowd. Their bloodlust bordered on insane. Even Chief of Police Beirut was getting into it.

"Well well well, Kenshin. Looks like your plan was thwarted. Any last words?"

"Yes-"

The crowd got louder.

"Yes, I'm-"

Louder.

"Yes, I'm not-"

Louder.

"I'm not going-"

Louder.

It seemed like with every word Kenshin said the crowd got even more frenzied and more convinced of his guilt. It was a hopeless situation for the condemned.

"I'm not going to give you a whiny 'I'm not the mafia' final word," Kenshin muttered under his breath. This crowd. This blasted crowd. They were the ones who ruined him, who ruined the Frontroom. Instead of uniting against the menace of the mafia they attacked each other through petty squabbles and the Kingdom of Peace and Love rapidly degraded into some kind of tribal society whose main form of entertainment were the human sacrifices.

Kenshin made a decision. Because he couldn't be heard, he went out silently. He didn't make a sound when Beirut pulled the lever and he fell some distance into the pit. He didn't make a sound when he finally made contact with the ground, the lions not managing to catch him from the air. He didn't make a sound when the beasts tore him apart and ate him in seconds flat, clothes and all. Uesugi Kenshin went out quietly and with dignity, his only form of revenge against the crowd.

Here is the voting total for Session 4:

Uesugi Kenshin: 7 :skull:
Pannonian: 3
Lemur: 1
Orb: 1

~~~~~~~~

Still alive:
Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
SSNeoperestroika
Csar
AggonyDuck
evil_maniac from mars
Orb
Ice
Divinus Arma
Lemur
Ignoramus
Kommodus
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Ianofsmeg16
Gertgregoor
littlelostboy
Cowhead418
Divine Wind
Wonderland
Stormcrow
Kralizec
Kagemusha
Hiji
Alexander the Pretty Good
diablodelmar
Pannonian

Killed:
Sigurd Fafnesbane
discovery1
UltraWar
Zalmoxis
Tiberius
Silver Rusher
Sasaki Kojiro
B_Ray

Executed:
Banquo's Ghost
Destroyer of Hope
The Spartan
Uesugi Kenshin

[Sasaki Kojiro]

*not surprised*

[B-Wing]

*rolls in his grave*

[Ignoramus]

I didn't think Uesugi was the mafia.

[Divinus Arma]

:wall: :furious3:

You have got to be kidding. :dizzy2:

[Ignoramus]

I am almost certain it is Pannonian.

[Lemur]

(I'm gonna die laughing if he ain't the mafia. :laugh4: )
Time to make good on the promise.

[scotchedpommes]

Indeed. The shock of it all.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Gentlemen, that particular execution was done at Kenshin's request to me that he not go out saying "I'm not the mafia."

The fact that he died a dignified death signifies nothing.

[Ignoramus]

Yes, but we know that Spartan confessed that he was the mafia, so we know that UK wasn't one, unless The Spartan was lying, of course.

[B-Wing]

...unless The Spartan was lying, of course.

Hmmm... you think he might have? I don't know why he would, but I suppose there's no reason he couldn't have lied about it. Maybe that was his way of getting back at us for executing him.

And the only reason I can see for the General to have made that last comment was to indicate that Kenshin could very possibly have been a mafioso.

And General, in the interest a fun and fair game, how do you wish the dead to behave? I know we can still speculate, but would it be unfair for the detective to share his findings after he's been killed? I'm not sure I would even do so if I were in that position, for the sake of making the game more realistic, but I'd like to know how you feel about it, at least.

[Drisos]

I will vote for you because you have actively encouraged others to vote for,
and so execute me, with no reason.

That is almost the same. Yet, there was a reason. you few post a while back made me suspicious, like I said. so I thought there might be chance you are the mafioso.

you should really vote for people that may be the last mafioso.. why don't you vote for yourself instead?:balloon2:

[Drisos]

And General, in the interest a fun and fair game, how do you wish the dead to behave? I know we can still speculate, but would it be unfair for the detective to share his findings after he's been killed? I'm not sure I would even do so if I were in that position, for the sake of making the game more realistic, but I'd like to know how you feel about it, at least.

how about 'the detective left behind a diary in which his findings were written.'? he can't speak when he's dead but we might have found a way to let us know after he dies. ~;)

[Divinus Arma]

This is going to hell in a handbasket pretty damn fast.

So wait: Spartan might not be a maifoso? :dizzy2:

And that means we might have been right about UK? :wall:

[scotchedpommes]

you should really vote for people that may be the last mafioso..

Why, this would never have occurred to me. It's just as well then, isn't it, that
in voting for you I will be doing exactly that.

:balloon2:

[Pannonian]

This is going to hell in a handbasket pretty damn fast.

So wait: Spartan might not be a maifoso? :dizzy2:

And that means we might have been right about UK? :wall:
I thought I was being clever, basing my investigation on the one certainty, that The Spartan was a mafioso as confessed. Given that players don't gain anything from owning up to mafiadom (as opposed to detectivedom, as Sasaki did in Mafia II), I'd still be inclined to accept The Spartan's confession at face value, but this time look at the concrete evidence, rather than interpret actions as you and I did about Uesugi.

If the game hasn't ended with the death of the last mafioso, we should try looking at the voting pattern of the round in which The Spartan was executed, and work from there. We can argue about intentions and disguises all we like, but there are rules to the game which must influence or even dictate how we act. Either that, or go back to guesswork and witch-hunting.

We should wait for GHC's next post though.

[Divinus Arma]

I (as opposed to detectivedom, as Sasaki did in Mafia II)

I though Sasaki was the detective here? Ar eyou asying he was a detective the last game? That would be gay if GHC made him a detective 2games in a row. That woold mean we have no idea if even the detective is still alive.


I'd still be inclined to accept The Spartan's confession at face value, but this time look at the concrete evidence, rather than interpret actions as you and I did about Uesugi.



Concrete evidence? :laugh4:

[Ignoramus]

There are three options:

1.) That The Spartan really was the mafia as he said, and Uesugi Kenshin was innocent.

2.) That The Spartan was lying when he confessed, and Uesugi Kenshin was one of the mafia.

3.) General Hankerchief is deliberately keeping the game going even though all the mafia are dead.

I would say option 3 is more likely than the other two.

[Divinus Arma]

I would say option 3 is more likely than the other two.

:laugh4:


Why would he do that? We can just start a new game!

[Pannonian]

I though Sasaki was the detective here? Ar eyou asying he was a detective the last game? That would be gay if GHC made him a detective 2games in a row. That woold mean we have no idea if even the detective is still alive.

Sasaki claimed to be the detective when the villagers were about to lynch him. On "revealing" himself, he also added a couple of names whom he said were innocent. Someone else was executed in his place as votes were switched, and Sasaki and his "innocents" were killed in short order by the mafia. The real detective was thus able to continue his work undisturbed, until Tiberius was cornered by the villagers. Tiberius then revealed himself, this time with evidence proving he was the real detective, fingering Lemur as one of the mafiosi. Kommodus supported him, his spreadsheet analysis pointing to Lemur as the most likely suspect and Cowhead as next on the list.

Read the game for yourself - the last post was on 8th August.



Concrete evidence? :laugh4:
Voting record.

[Divinus Arma]

Impressive summary. I wish I knew more about ya. You would earn a summation for that summary on Mafia II. ~D

edit: Though you'll ahafta go the extra mile with that silly vanilla avatar of yours. :rolleyes5: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes3: :rolleyes4:

damn. it seems the best tool of a detective is to not reveal until you are about to be lynched.


This game is kinky. :laugh4:

[Moros]

Pfff...this game is getting more complicated every second...

Hmm okay if UK, wasn't a mafiosi and the spartan was, most people on the lust I posted earlier should be innocent. However if they were clever they could have voted for each other.

If UK, is a mafiosi indeed then we'll have to base our investigation on who voted or not voted UK, who backed up Uk,...

Or the general has a surprise for us, a secret third mafia? because they lost last time and because there are even more citizens?

OR both aren't mafia. And that would mean we're still entirely in the dark.

pfff...to complicated for me to figure out... GeneralH. can't you give us some clue or something? Pfff...

And I almost tought we had an easy victory.

[Pannonian]

There are two contradictory points arising relating to The Spartan's confession.

1. There is nothing to be gained from admission of guilt. If The Spartan was a villager, there is no reason to say he was a mafioso, except possibly narcissism from seeing his name appear in every post thereafter. At the time of his confession, The Spartan was 7-4 against his nearest rival, so if he really was a mafioso he may have felt his confession didn't matter and he might as well spill the beans.
2. Mafiosi aren't allowed to reveal themselves except to their partner. If The Spartan was a mafioso, he would have broken this rule of the game, probably without GHC's knowledge and hence before he could warn him against it. However, if The Spartan wasn't a mafioso, he would not have broken this rule. But if he wasn't a mafioso, why did he say that he was?

I still favour the assumption that The Spartan's confession is true, because that's the more likely scenario given his character (see post #365 for what I mean about narcissism) and the impossibility of GMing a game 24 hours a day.

However, we should wait for GHC's next post telling us of our victory or another batch of killings. The ending to Mafia I came around a day after the last vote, when the public didn't yet know whether both surviving players, either or neither was a mafioso.

[Silver Rusher]

But if he wasn't a mafioso, why did he say that he was?
Out of spite for the villagers who voted for him.

I still think that the clear most likely scenario is that both are mafiosi and there is one more mafioso. The game simply wouldn't work with around so many players and only two of them in the mafia.

[Pannonian]

Out of spite for the villagers who voted for him.

I still think that the clear most likely scenario is that both are mafiosi and there is one more mafioso. The game simply wouldn't work with around so many players and only two of them in the mafia.
But there have only been 2 murders per turn, and IIRC GHC said at the start of the game that the game hadn't changed from Mafia II, meaning 2 mafiosi and 1 detective.

[GeneralHankerchief]

There is no secret third mafioso. Two mafiosi, one detective, same as last game.

You guys are in the dark about whether you win or not until I post that you win, which will be in place of the kills.

Finally, if you tried to PM me for whatever reason, my box now has been slightly cleared.

[Silver Rusher]

With so many players 2 mafiosi really doesn't cut it as far as I can see, especially if you have a detective. I think that if the next game gets even more players you should think of some ways to help the mafia out, maybe with another. According to this page (http://www.eblong.com/zarf/werewolf-stats.html) it is about even with 21 players (a little over half the players in this game) and even that is without a detective.

EDIT: Actually, that article says that a 25% chance of win for the villagers is ideal although on the internet it isn't really.

[GeneralHankerchief]

That's under the rules that the wolves/mafia must agree on who they kill (so only one person per round is killed). With the Org version each mafioso can take down who they want to, so there's a better chance for the mafia.

Trust me, this game would be a lot more lopsided if I added a third mafioso.

[Silver Rusher]

Ah, yes, it says that on the seperate rules page. Carry on.

Dangit, this game has only had 4 rounds and already it is more interesting than the last two were even at the end. I wish I didn't have to go on holiday.

The next mafia can only get more interesting, though.

[B-Wing]

I don't suppose then, that if The Spartan sort of "broke the rules" by confessing, you might have given someone else mafia status in order to keep things going? Considering you didn't do this in Cowhead's case last game, I assume you wouldn't do it now, but I'd like to know for sure.

[Dutch_guy]

Dangit, this game has only had 4 rounds and already it is more interesting than the last two were even at the end. I wish I didn't have to go on holiday.

.

Well, at least you're in :dizzy2:

:balloon2:

[Lemur]

We could have used you, Dutch Guy. You have an astonishing ability to vote for the correct people.

[Silver Rusher]

Well, at least you're in :dizzy2:

:balloon2:
I got killed by the mafia a week ago, so I wouldn't really say I'm 'in'.

[Dutch_guy]

We could have used you, Dutch Guy. You have an astonishing ability to vote for the correct people.


Well, as much as I take pride in that ability we all know it's merely good fortune ~:). And who knows, maybe I'd have been a mafia member anyway :skull:


I got killed by the mafia a week ago, so I wouldn't really say I'm 'in'.

:dizzy2:
That I didn't realise ! Haven't really read through the thread - not yet at least. My condolences anyway.

:balloon2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I don't suppose then, that if The Spartan sort of "broke the rules" by confessing, you might have given someone else mafia status in order to keep things going? Considering you didn't do this in Cowhead's case last game, I assume you wouldn't do it now, but I'd like to know for sure.

No. Nobody has been added as an extra mafioso.

The only time I would do this is when a major character (mafia or Detective) has to miss a lot of game time and informs me early on. I will then have them suicide and give their role to someone else. This happened with EMFM in the last game, but hasn't happened this time.

[Lorenzo_H]

can I commit mass homicide, even though im not a mafioso?

[Lemur]

Sorry Diablo, this is mafia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_Game). You're looking for axe murderer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Axe_Murderer).

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead: trust me there is one more mafia... or the detective isnt very good for looking for my partner.
when the game ends, ill tell you why i confessed. unless someone else finds out i doubt it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry for the delay. A million things to do on my end.

[Silver Rusher]

THE SPARTAN has been lying to you. He is innocent. Why? Well, everybody voted for him and he simply wanted to spite the villagers by confusing you all and ensuring a mafia victory. There are several pieces of evidence for this which almost all point back to The Spartan's poor spelling and grammar. One example of this is the immacculate spelling of ARRIVEDERCI. Nobody else seems able to spell it, and so if The Spartan tried to it would probably come out something like this: ARIVADERCHI. Of course this is speculation, but the true evidence lies within this PM that he quoted from GenH:


Congratulations! :balloon2: You have been selected for the this frontroom mafia game: The Return Of The Mafia. (and it went on)
This pm is clearly fake. First of all, I have not once seen GeneralHankerchief make a grammatical error, and if he has an important PM such as this would not be the place to do it. That 'the this' error sticks out like a sore thumb.

Furthermore, had the PM been real the quote would have contained the whole thing, rather than just (and it went on). Of course The_Spartan could have just deleted the PM but I doubt somebody would delete a PM so important. If he did he could have asked the other mafioso for theirs and changed the name, but I'm not seeing that. Let us not forget also that this is against mafia rules. Clear evidence most people seem to have ignored completely. If you still need convincing, remember Sasaki's confession to being the detective in Mafia II? Even that was more convincing than this.

Stay away from The Spartan and everybody he has a connection with when looking for your mafia. You will only waste valuable executions.

Forensic pedantry right there.

[Orb]

I'm the detective, and Lemur is the remaining Mafia!

Honest.

*masquerades*

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Divinus Arma woke up, his head ringing from the previous night’s drinking. Something was wrong – he didn’t seem to be in his bed at home. “Where the heck am I?” he thought, sitting up and trying to remember the previous night’s events.

Taking in his surroundings, DA realized he was in a basement room with concrete walls and floor, empty except for one thing – a table with a large keg of beer sitting on it. This was definitely not right. He got up and tried to open the lone door, but it was locked. Looking back at the table, he spotted a small tape recorder next to the keg. Cautiously, he walked over to the table and pressed the “play” button. Immediately he heard a distorted voice say:

"Hello Mr. Arma. Your drinking excesses are well-known to all. Some would call you intemperate; I call you unworthy of the body you inhabit.

"I’d like to play a game that will test even your drinking prowess. How much would you drink to save your own life? The key to this room is in the keg before you. You must drink contents of it to get the key. In one hour this room will fill with poison gas and you will die. Do you take more out of alcohol, or does it take more out of you? Now’s your chance to find out."

The recording ended, leaving Divinus to consider his next move. He tried to lift the keg, but it was too heavy for one man to lift alone. He cautiously placed his mouth over the spout and tasted a little. He quickly spit it out, disgusted – it was beer alright, but the foulest he’d ever tasted. “What kind of a fool does he take me for?” he said to himself. “It’s surely poisoned anyway.” An idea occurred to him – he opened the spout and began to drain the beer out onto the ground. “Not so smart after all, are you?” he chuckled to himself.

However, DA failed to notice the beer flowing into a drain in the center of the room. Beneath the drain, a hanging bucket was quickly filling with beer, causing it to pull on an attached cable, the other end of which was attached to a valve in a neighboring room. Just as the keg finished draining, the valve opened and Divinus heard a hissing sound. A particularly potent form of laughing gas began pouring into the room.

Divinus quickly lifted the empty keg upside down, and was rewarded when a key dropped out. He grabbed it and ran for the door, but it was too late. As he was seized with laughter and collapsed, he thought “Well isn’t this ironic.” It was his last thought.

Later in the afternoon, Orb was driving down a lonely road on the outskirts of town, when suddenly he was passed by a black SUV with tinted windows going the other way. “That’s odd,” he thought. “I’ve never seen that car in town before.” Something compelled him to make a U-turn and follow it, though he did so carefully, at a distance.

After making several turns onto remote dirt roads, the SUV arrived at a large field, and here the road ended. A long dirt runway was carved into the field, and at one end of the runway was a small jet plane. The SUV drove to where the plane was parked, and a man dressed in black emerged. He unloaded a large black device from the back of the SUV, placed it on a cart, and loaded it onto the plane.

Orb had parked his car out of sight, and was sneaking through the field’s tall grass, keeping low. He saw the man climb into the plane through the cockpit door, and heard the engines start. Hoping the sound of the engines would obscure his entry, he raced up to the passenger door and climbed inside. This man was surely the mafioso fleeing town; he could not be allowed to escape!

Orb hid in a corner of the cabin, hoping the mafioso would emerge soon. From where he was, he could see the device from the SUV. The main part of it looked like several large cylinders attached end-to-end, and it had a small keypad with an LED screen.

Suddenly, the plane started down the runway. Rapidly gaining speed, it was soon airborne and climbing. Orb continued to wait as the plane leveled out. He could hear a little through the cabin door, and was able to make out the voice of the onboard computer saying “Autopilot engaged.”

Moments later, the door opened, and out came the mafioso. He walked past Orb’s hiding place to where the device was resting. Orb saw him bend down and enter a string of numbers on the keypad. The LED screen, previously blank, lit up, showing an amount of time – apparently several hours – slowly counting down, second by second.

Orb emerged from his hiding place, slowly sneaking up on the man, hoping to catch him off-guard. However, the man suddenly turned. The shocked look on his face quickly turned to anger.

“What are you doing here?” the mafioso snarled. “Ah! No matter; you can’t stop this now.” Before Orb could stop him, he flung open the side door and leapt out of the plane! He had a parachute strapped to his back.

Thinking quickly, Orb grabbed a parachute pack he had seen on the wall, strapped it on, and leapt out after the man. He pulled the cord to release the parachute, and scanned for the mafioso below him. Where had he gone?

Suddenly, Orb felt something zip past him. As it did, he was jarred slightly. Oh no – one of the chute chords had been cut! As his fall accelerated, Orb began to realize the truth – the mafioso had held on to the plane as he jumped out, only to let go after Orb had followed. He had only a little time to figure this out, though, as the unyielding ground soon ended his rapid fall, ending his life.

In the evening, Chief of Police Beirut had everyone gathered in the center of town.

"Gentlemen," he began, "judging by the last two deaths today we have not scared the mafia off. But fear not - my men have remedied the situation!"

Everyone gasped. Did Beirut figure out who it was?

"We have expanded the pit and filled it with water. The lions have now been replaced with crocodiles! Happy voting."

A collective groan went over the crowd as they began voting.

[Dutch_guy]

Well the one who killed Div A obviously likes Saw.

:balloon2:

[Reenk Roink]

Slay Pannonian! :rtwno:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow, only one vote?

The latest kills have been posted on the previous page, everybody.

[Lemur]

Wow, General, you're really letting the current mafia get away with some elaborate murders. And to think that my cannon/spacesuit was too much for you last game. Color me jealous.

These kills don't tell me much. DA was very active in leading the hunt for the mafia, so it makes sense to kill him. Orb and I were in a minor spat, and the mafia seem to be pretty keen on framing me, so offing Orb was a no-brainer. But come on, mafia -- would I kill the one person voting for me? Look at my behavior in Game 2 and tell me that makes sense. No, you silly, stupid, cowardly mafiosos, all you've done is make it obvious that I'm innocent. Nyah nyah!

To save villagers from scrolling back to page 13, here's the list of the living:

Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
SSNeoperestroika
Csar
AggonyDuck
evil_maniac from mars
Ice
Lemur
Ignoramus
Kommodus
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Gertgregoor
littlelostboy
Cowhead418
Divine Wind
Wonderland
Stormcrow
Kralizec
Kagemusha
Hiji
Alexander the Pretty Good
diablodelmar
Pannonian
I have no basis for picking anybody, although I do suspect a couple of people of being innocent. Won't name 'em, since that just makes the mafia's life easier. I'm picking Stormcrow out of a hat, but I'm open to changing that vote.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow, General, you're really letting the current mafia get away with some elaborate murders. And to think that my cannon/spacesuit was too much for you last game. Color me jealous.

Heh. These are just what you see. Silver Rusher originally had a death to rival your cannon-spacesuit one but I made the mafioso change it.

You'll see what it was in my write-up.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wow, only one vote?

The latest kills have been posted on the previous page, everybody.

All the frequent posters are dead. We'd have been better off early on lynching the lurkers, that would at least have forced everyone to participate and we'd still have discussion.

[Divine Wind]

~:snowman:

*The Snowman of Death demands a sacrifice. He asks for the sacred 'Head of Hiji'*

Therefore our vote goes to Hiji

[Silver Rusher]

All the frequent posters are dead. We'd have been better off early on lynching the lurkers, that would at least have forced everyone to participate and we'd still have discussion.

Hmm... good idea. It would also make the game more interesting because the mafia would post more and we would have to pick out clues in peoples' posts.

I ask that everybody vote for the lurkers in the next Mafia game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

But if we lynch the lurkers early on, how do we know they're lurkers? :tongue:

[Silver Rusher]

Maybe not early on.

And Gen I really want to know how I was going to die before the brainfreeze thing.

[Lemur]

It's a good plan, actually. Right now lurking is a viable mafia tactic. Let's lynch some lurkers, and shake things up.

[Silver Rusher]

Darn, nobody has replied to my post about The Spartan's innocence.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually that reminds me.

Ianofsmeg16 requested to suicide because he didn't have as much time as he thought he would. So consider him mysteriously disappeared.

Btw, he was innocent.

[Silver Rusher]

Wow. 7 posts in the space of 9 minutes.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's a good plan, actually. Right now lurking is a viable mafia tactic. Let's lynch some lurkers, and shake things up.

Yes, many of the villagers are too interested in surviving as long as they can, without thought for the good of the village. They make it much harder to spot the mafia. There's nearly 15 people who don't post or who only post a name of a person. We've made it all too easy for the mafia this game, especially if the spartan wasn't actually a mafioso, Silver Rusher has some convincing arguments.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Right now this game looks like it's going to go out with a thud. While some semi-active people (Ignoramus, Gert, and Pannonian for one) haven't signed on yet, there are still only three votes. I'm sure we can count on DA to comment on his death, but he doesn't count since he's a stiff.

I might just have to do a freak accident that kills all the inactives if this keeps up...

[Pannonian]

Darn, nobody has replied to my post about The Spartan's innocence.
I've taken it in and looked at the thread again with the new perspective. What I'm puzzled about is, if he isn't a mafioso, how did he know after the last vote that at least one still remained? If one of the mafiosi co-opted him into their scheme, it would still be against the rules as the mafia aren't supposed to tell anyone except themselves and GHC.

About voting the lurkers out - I think I can safely say that there will be at least one vote for me in every round, as Reenk Roink is determined to vote for me until I'm executed in return for my voting twice for him in the early rounds (when there were no leads and it was pure guesswork). I'm happy to continue risking my neck with the open discussion that has got the most active posters killed already, but I fear I will either be lynched or murdered as the sole investigative poster remaining.

If so, let me repeat the plea made by Eclectic/Divinus Arma - give reasons for your votes, discuss your thoughts in public. If the mafia want to kill off all the active posters, step up in their place and don't let the game meander to an end with only lurkers and mafiosi remaining. If the game continues for long enough with active participation, they may leave enough clues to identify them. At the very least, make them fight for their win instead of letting apathy do their work for them.

[Divinus Arma]

Dude. There is no way that could have happened. That was not the real Divinus Arma. I would never waste precious beer, no matter how bad. And I certainly ain't gonna die sober. :barrel:

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[Reenk Roink]

About voting the lurkers out - I think I can safely say that there will be at least one vote for me in every round, as Reenk Roink is determined to vote for me until I'm executed in return for my voting twice for him in the early rounds (when there were no leads and it was pure guesswork). I'm happy to continue risking my neck with the open discussion that has got the most active posters killed already, but I fear I will either be lynched or murdered as the sole investigative poster remaining.

Don't worry, it's for this game only... :wink:

Also, keep up your investigating, even if you die, it really is well thought out... :2thumbsup:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Right now this game looks like it's going to go out with a thud. While some semi-active people (Ignoramus, Gert, and Pannonian for one) haven't signed on yet, there are still only three votes. I'm sure we can count on DA to comment on his death, but he doesn't count since he's a stiff.

I might just have to do a freak accident that kills all the inactives if this keeps up...

Yeah that might be a good idea. For next game you could make it a rule that anyone who doesn't post in a round (unless they are one vacation or something) dies of "mysterious causes". Then we can bandwagon the people who only give a name and force them to provide more reasoning.

[Kommodus]

Ok, I've been online today but I didn't want to vote until I could get home from work and consult my notes. I vote AggonyDuck. This is based primarily on vote indexing (certainly fallible evidence this early in the game) and on the assumption that Uesugi Kenshin was, in fact, innocent (something which I think is probable based on GH's description of UK's execution). As I've said before, I think GH occasionally leaves us little clues in his posts. UK's innocence may seem irrelevant, but it fits into the vote indexing scheme.

Regarding Silver Rusher's comments: I was always sceptical of Spartan's "quote" of GH's private message; it really does look faked.

I wouldn't eliminate people simply because they miss a single round of voting. Maybe if they miss three rounds or so in a row, they could be said to have vanished or left town.

[B-Wing]

For what its worth, I think it would still be worthwhile to execute Lemur. But Pannonian's got a good point about the most talkative people being killed off, for whatever reason. Personally, I think S. Kojiro and I were murdered at the same time in order to frame Pannonian and U. Kenshin. I don't think Pannonian would have murdered us simultaneously right after we both raised suspicion about him. It would seem too suicidal.

I think Silver Rusher presents a compelling arguement for The Spartan's "innocence", though as far as I'm concerned he's as guilty as the real mafioso for turning on us, if he did lie. But even if we assume that he wasn't an original member of the mafia, we don't seem to have any leads as to whom is in the mafia. Its also possible, if he lied, that there are still two of them out there.

And to whomever killed Divinus, I have to say that I was disappointed that you stole your idea from a movie, but the laughing gas was a great twist. Good job with that.

[AggonyDuck]

Ok, I've been online today but I didn't want to vote until I could get home from work and consult my notes. I vote AggonyDuck. This is based primarily on vote indexing (certainly fallible evidence this early in the game) and on the assumption that Uesugi Kenshin was, in fact, innocent (something which I think is probable based on GH's description of UK's execution). As I've said before, I think GH occasionally leaves us little clues in his posts. UK's innocence may seem irrelevant, but it fits into the vote indexing scheme.

Regarding Silver Rusher's comments: I was always sceptical of Spartan's "quote" of GH's private message; it really does look faked.

I wouldn't eliminate people simply because they miss a single round of voting. Maybe if they miss three rounds or so in a row, they could be said to have vanished or left town.

To this to really make sense you'd have to also think that the Spartan was innocent, which he might have been. I decided to take your and Tibs advice and was the second person after you who voted on Spartan. So if I he was guilty, then this would be a rather mad decision. But if he was innocent, then if I actually am a part of the mafia, then I would had known this too. This would had allowed me to vote against him without remorse. So you will have to just trust me that I am innocent. (not easy to trust anyone in this game though)

[Pannonian]

Round 5

This being Lynch a Lurker Day, I'll jump on the Stormcrow bandwagon. In addition to Stormcrow, the following have not voted once in the game.

littlelostboy
Kralizec
Kagemusha

The following voted once in Round 1, but have since disappeared.

Csar
Ice
Hiji

The following have also voted once in the game.

Alexander the Pretty Good
diablodelmar

[Dooz]

Not too much to go on, but based on a minor detail and a hunch, I'll cast my death vote for Ignoramus. Reason being this little tidbit after a whisper from the dead...


If you're dead, you're not allowed to show people your suspicions.

Perhaps someone in the mafia would want to subdue information, but even if it is coming from the dead, no villager I know wouldn't want all the information they could get.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm. Considering the facts, it seems very unlikely that The Spartan really was a mafioso. He's provided no concrete proof-just a quote with bad grammer, very unlike the way of GHC.

I'm going to echo Kommodus' vote for AggonyDuck. I too think UK was innocent, as it were. I am also leary of voting for people just because they are not very active. And I still have suspicions about Lemur. He taunts the mafia, but is not killed, and claims every murder that could be linked to him as framing.

Unfortunately, it seems the mafia have taken to killing off the people trying to do the most detective work on their own. The question is, will the good people of Frontville be cowed? Or will we hunt down the mafia and feed 'em to the crocs?

Crazed Rabbit

[Silver Rusher]

Not too much to go on, but based on a minor detail and a hunch, I'll cast my death vote for Ignoramus. Reason being this little tidbit after a whisper from the dead...



Perhaps someone in the mafia would want to subdue information, but even if it is coming from the dead, no villager I know wouldn't want all the information they could get.
I think Wonderland may be onto something here. If the mafia are killing the most active players of the game, they would want them to not be able to cast their suspicions. While I'm not saying it was Ignoramus, the mafia could well be trying to use what he said to their advantage, albeit failing miserably.

[AggonyDuck]

Changed my vote....again....

[Stormcrow]

I accept my fate.

:bow:

[Moros]

I'll vote hiji, only showed his head here once. In the first round.
I don't see much more evidence against people at the moment so, sorry hiji as you're probably innocent.

Edit: I'll be away till thuesday as I'll be having two major exams.

[Cowhead418]

I'll echo Wonderland's sentiments and vote Ignoramus. You are right about villagers wanting to soak up all possible information.


THE SPARTAN has been lying to you. He is innocent. Why? Well, everybody voted for him and he simply wanted to spite the villagers by confusing you all and ensuring a mafia victory. There are several pieces of evidence for this which almost all point back to The Spartan's poor spelling and grammar. One example of this is the immacculate spelling of ARRIVEDERCI. Nobody else seems able to spell it, and so if The Spartan tried to it would probably come out something like this: ARIVADERCHI. Of course this is speculation, but the true evidence lies within this PM that he quoted from GenH:


Quote:
Originally Posted by The Spartan's quoted PM from GH
Congratulations! You have been selected for the this frontroom mafia game: The Return Of The Mafia. (and it went on)

This pm is clearly fake. First of all, I have not once seen GeneralHankerchief make a grammatical error, and if he has an important PM such as this would not be the place to do it. That 'the this' error sticks out like a sore thumb.

Furthermore, had the PM been real the quote would have contained the whole thing, rather than just (and it went on). Of course The_Spartan could have just deleted the PM but I doubt somebody would delete a PM so important. If he did he could have asked the other mafioso for theirs and changed the name, but I'm not seeing that. Let us not forget also that this is against mafia rules. Clear evidence most people seem to have ignored completely. If you still need convincing, remember Sasaki's confession to being the detective in Mafia II? Even that was more convincing than this.

Stay away from The Spartan and everybody he has a connection with when looking for your mafia. You will only waste valuable executions.

Forensic pedantry right there.I completely agree. For reference, take a look at the mafia PM I received last game:

Congratulations Cowhead418 and Lemur, you are in the mafia!

Your job is basically to PM me every time I post the updated status list (who's alive, who's killed, etc) with a selection of which user from the "Alive" list you want to "kill." You are to provide me each with a user and a method of killing.

I really only have two rules of things you can't do: You can't tell anyone your identity, and you can't kill each other.

A couple pieces of advice. First of all, the previous mafia, Kagemusha and Shadows, corresponded with each other in their kill selection and voted together in the execution process. As you can see, it worked really well for them. Also, be aware that there is a Detective out to get you. I will not provide you with his name, but be careful about what you do if he reveals himself.

Congrats on getting selected and best of luck.

General HankerchiefNotice how he says "you are in the mafia!" It doesn't seem very likely that the PM Spartan supposedly received stated "you have been selected for the this frontroom mafia game: Return of the Mafia." It is unnecessary and too long.

Also, the grammar mistake and the refusal to show the PM in its entirety makes it look even more fake. If The Spartan really wanted to prove being in the mafia, he would take a picture of the PM like Tiberius did last game. Finally, the General said that the mafia can't tell anyone their identity, so Spartan would be breaking a rule. I think he is lying, though the absence of "ARRIVEDERCI" from the last kills makes me think there is only one mafioso left.

[Pannonian]

I'll echo Wonderland's sentiments and vote Ignoramus. You are right about villagers wanting to soak up all possible information.

I'll switch to Ignoramus.

[AggonyDuck]

Well I better follow Pannonian in his votes, so I'm changing my vote for Ignoramus. (with his vote gone there's no point in voting for Stormcrow, and he seems innocent too)

[Ice]

I'm back, sorry for disappearing. I was out of town for 9 days.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow. What a change it had been from only a few days ago. Back then there was so much discussion that people had forgotten about the actual execution. Now there was so little discussion it wasn't even enough to merit an execution.

Nevertheless, an execution took place. After some last-hour (that's how slow they had gotten) vote-changing, Ignoramus was the condemned. And so Chief of Police Beirut lazily brought Ig up to the execution platform.

"Gentlemen," he said lethargically, "You have voted Ignoramus as a member of the mafia and have therefore sentenced him to death by crocodiles. Ignoramus, do you have any last words?"

Ignoramus looked like the only true awake person there.

"Y-yes. You must understand t-that I was only t-trying to help. I n-never meant any harm to the Frontroom and would n-never do anything to hurt it..." he trailed off.

Beirut spoke to him with all the emotion of a cop giving someone a speeding ticket. "Is that it?"

"Y-yes."

"Very well." He pulled the lever, and the crocodiles below were soon enjoying a tasty meal. "That's all. You can go."

Instantly the sky turned black and a powerful, deep voiced boomed from everywhere.

"THAT IS MOST CERTAINLY *NOT* ALL! STAY WHERE YOU ARE. I HAVE A FEW WORDS TO SAY."

Suddenly Beirut now had emotion in his voice. "G-God?"

"THAT'S GENERAL HANKERCHIEF TO YOU, BEIRUT," God/General Hankerchief said. "IN CASE YOU VILLAGERS HAVE FORGOTTEN, YOU ARE UNDER ATTACK FROM THE MAFIA. WHICH, IN MOST CASES, MEANS THERE IS TERROR, SUSPICION, LOSS, AND HEROICS. BUT ALL OF YOU HAVE ABOUT AS MUCH TERROR, SUSPICION, LOSS, AND HEROICS AS THE FROZEN CORPSE OF WALT DISNEY."

God/General Hankerchief paused at this analogy, obviously pleased with himself, and went on.

"I MEAN, COME ON! THE FRONTROOM IS IN DANGER OF EXTINCTION AND YOU CAN'T EVEN GET YOURSELF TOGETHER IN ORDER TO DOUBT THE ALLEGIANCE OF YOUR LIFELONG FRIENDS! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! SO I GUESS IT'S UP TO ME TO TEACH YOU ALL A LITTLE LESSON."

There was a bright white flash. When the color of things returned to normal the villagers discovered that Kralizec, Diablodelmar, littlelostboy, Csar, Kagemusha, and Stormcrow were lying on the ground, dead.

"THEY DID NOT CARE ENOUGH TO SAVE THE VILLAGE. FOR THAT THEY HAVE PAID. NOW, I EXPECT AN INTERESTING FINAL FEW SESSIONS. NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE IN THE MAFIA OR WERE THE DETECTIVE."

"Wait a minute!" cried Beirut. "If you know who the mafia are, why don't you just tell us?!"

God/General Hankerchief chuckled. "BECAUSE EVEN THE ULTIMATE POWER IN THE UNIVERSE LIKES HIS DRAMA. GOOD LUCK."

And then the skies cleared up, leaving the remaining villagers completely dumbfounded.

Here is the voting total for Session 5:

Ignoramus: 4 :skull:
Hiji: 2
AggonyDuck: 2
Pannonian: 1
Stormcrow: 1 :skull:

~~~~~~~

Still alive:
Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
SSNeoperestroika
AggonyDuck
evil_maniac from mars
Ice
Lemur
Kommodus
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Gertgregoor
Cowhead418
Divine Wind
Wonderland
Hiji
Alexander the Pretty Good
Pannonian

Wrath of God:
Ianofsmeg16
Kralizec
diablodelmar
littlelostboy
Csar
Kagemusha
Stormcrow

Killed:
Sigurd Fafnesbane
discovery1
UltraWar
Zalmoxis
Tiberius
Silver Rusher
Sasaki Kojiro
B_Ray
Divinus Arma
Orb

Executed:
Banquo's Ghost
Destroyer of Hope
The Spartan
Uesugi Kenshin
Ignoramus

[Reenk Roink]

Interesting that AggonyDuck changed his vote from me to somebody that already had votes when he realized that he was getting close to execution...

People who have slandered the Reenkmaistro:

Kommodus - Pardorned because he is from Michigan
Pannonian - Current target
AggonyDuck - You're next buddy :wink:

[scotchedpommes]

I take it Hiji is still alive, despite the list?

[AggonyDuck]

Interesting that AggonyDuck changed his vote from me to somebody that already had votes when he realized that he was getting close to execution...

People who have slandered the Reenkmaistro:

Kommodus - Pardorned because he is from Michigan
Pannonian - Current target
AggonyDuck - You're next buddy :wink:

Yup, I prefer to stay alive after the debacle I suffered from in the last mafia game.

Anyways the game just got a lot more interesting with the killing of the inactives. So the mafia is/are either among the semi-actives or the actives.:inquisitive:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I take it Hiji is still alive, despite the list?

Whoops, looks like I got a bit carried away... yes, Hiji is still alive and will be returned to the list of the living.

[Pannonian]

From my list of lurkers in post #443, Ice, Hiji and Alexander the Pretty Good were somehow left alive from the Act of GHC. We should remove them as soon as possible, if only to ensure that only active posters with examinable posting and voting records are left.




Round 5

This being Lynch a Lurker Day, I'll jump on the Stormcrow bandwagon. In addition to Stormcrow, the following have not voted once in the game.

littlelostboy
Kralizec
Kagemusha

The following voted once in Round 1, but have since disappeared.

Csar
Ice
Hiji

The following have also voted once in the game.

Alexander the Pretty Good
diablodelmar

[Ice]

From my list of lurkers in post #443, Ice, Hiji and Alexander the Pretty Good were somehow left alive from the Act of GHC. We should remove them as soon as possible, if only to ensure that only active posters with examinable posting and voting records are left.





If you were smart, you would have seen i was inactive for 9 days. I couldn't have done it.

[B-Wing]

Wow, talk about divine inspiration! I think you've motivated everyone to start talking, General. :2thumbsup: And thanks for significantly narrowing down the search for the real killers. Sadly, there still seems to be very little to go on. Personally, I'm curious as to why the killer(s) chose Orb last round. I don't remember him being particularly talkative, unlike Divinus, and he was actually the target of some accusations. So he would have seemed like a good person to leave alive.

Whoever the mafia is, they're doing a good job of hiding their identity. Unless its Lemur. I'd say he's been drawing way too much negative attention to himself to have made it this far, whether he's a mafioso or not.

[Divinus Arma]

Rub a dub dub, thanks for the love, yaaaaaaaay God!

Glad to see this won't drag on for tooo long. Kill 'em all I say.

Or in the words of, Tribesman IIRC, LIONS!

[Pannonian]

If you were smart, you would have seen i was inactive for 9 days. I couldn't have done it.
I was going to add "leave Ice for last, since he has a history of laziness" and hence the lurking isn't as likely the result of mafia strategy.

[Kagemusha]

Killed by the divine wrath.Thats not bad way for a lurker to go.:laugh4: So now i think its proven that keeping silence wont keep you alive in this game either. Exellent idea GeneralHankerchief!:bow:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

whispers from the dead:
well that was amusing.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Killed by the divine wrath.Thats not bad way for a lurker to go.:laugh4: So now i think its proven that keeping silence wont keep you alive in this game either. Exellent idea GeneralHankerchief!:bow:

Correct. In the next games I will make it a rule that if you lurk... you pay. :evil:

[Ice]

I was going to add "leave Ice for last, since he has a history of laziness" and hence the lurking isn't as likely the result of mafia strategy.

Laziness? More along the lines of "busyness" when the game is actually played.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Pannonian had stayed up the entire night reviewing his notes on the mafia. So was The Spartan really a mafioso? Or was it UK? Or neither? Or both? (waitaminute, that couldn't be right; if both were in the mafia then the Frontroom would be saved.) If neither were, then who killed Zalmoxis, which Spartan had claimed he had done? Pannonian was so into it that he didn't realize he was talking to himself.

"So who kept using 'arrivederci?' Why did he stop using it? Who burned Disco, who froze Silver, who killed Zalmoxis with a falx? Who? WHO?"

Suddenly there was another voice in the room. A nasty voice. "Yes, who did kill Zalmoxis?"

Pannonian turned, shocked. The voice was coming from behind the doorway, where he couldn't see his attacker.

"Don't move. You don't want to die just yet, not knowing the answer to your questions."

"Ok, so... can I have the answer? Who are you?"

"You know who I am."

"Well, I know you're the mafioso, but who else-"

"You'll find out soon enough." The mafioso was obviously taking his time. "Y'know, about Zalmoxis... he was arrogant. Calling himself after the Thracian deity. He didn't even look like the *real* Zalmoxis. He died in a way that fit him - by the falx..."

The mafioso seemed to be rambling. Pannonian prepared to strike.

Quick as lightning, the mafioso stepped out holding an odd weapon and slashed Pannonian in the chest. It was a fatal wound. He lay gasping on the ground, at last knowing the answer to his questions.

"Don't even try to fight me. It's no use. I will be victorius, just like Tiberius and Germanicus were 2,000 years ago." Of course, at this point, Pannonian was in no condition to fight. He was just staring at the mafioso's weapon, in shock.

"A... f-f-falx?" he murmered.

"No, my friend. This is a rhomphaia. It's very similar to a falx, however, but you won't make that mistake again."

And with a final stab, Pannonian finally got some sleep. Before he passed, he could hear the word "Arrivederci" very faintly.

Ice was sitting glumly at a local bar, late in the evening. There were few remaining patrons. How had the town come to this, he wondered? A series of brutal killings, mistaken executions, and now the wrath of a supreme being ending the lives of six people who were simply minding their own business.

While he wasn’t paying much attention to what was going on around him, his ears picked up a few words from the small TV attached to the wall, which was tuned to a national news station.

“…power was lost for up to six hours in certain areas,” the reporter was saying. “Reports indicate that a massive electromagnetic pulse, originating from several hundred feet above the NASA Ames Research Center, was responsible for the blackout here in Silicon Valley, CA. It is not known at this time how such an attack could have been launched, but witnesses report seeing a low-flying plane fly overhead shortly before the blast. The investigation now turns to who was responsible, and why...”

Ice tuned out the news report and continued ruminating on the events of the past few days. There had to be a link! His thoughts drifted from one event to another… Tiberius, blown to pieces with evidence implicating him in a bank robbery… Sasaki, tortured and killed in an office building… Orb, found dead in a field from a very high fall…

Wait! Orb’s death, the news report, the plane, the electromagnetic pulse… the pieces were starting to fit! But why Silicon Valley? He replayed the news report one more time in his head, when it came to him with a shock: Ames Research Center! But that would mean they were after… oh no…

Ice’s blood suddenly ran cold. This was worse, far worse, than anything anyone had yet imagined. He sprang to his feet and bolted out of the bar. Someone had to be warned! If they weren’t stopped now, it would soon be too late.

Ice ran through the pouring rain towards the police station, oblivious to his clothes getting soaked. Suddenly someone stepped in front of him, grabbing him – a fellow villager. “Slow down, Ice! You look like it’s the end of the world! Shouldn’t you come in out of the weather?” the man said.

Ice panted, trying to catch his breath, desperately attempting to explain himself. “Must… reach… police station! Have to… warn everybody! Or it may be the end of the world as we know it!”

The man chuckled good-naturedly at this, looking genuinely concerned. “Don’t you think you may be overreacting just a little?” he said. He sniffed Ice’s breath. “Have you been drinking?”

Ice grew impatient. “You don’t understand!” he exclaimed. “The mafia won’t stop here! They are planning something… utterly unthinkable! I’ve pieced it together. I have to warn Beirut; they must be stopped!”

The man’s expression abruptly hardened into skepticism. “Suppose you have figured it all out,” he said. “Why are you so sure the mafia must be stopped? What gives you the right to call their actions evil? How do you know their endgame isn’t ultimately for the better?”

Ice looked at the man strangely; he had never heard him talk like this before. Something was definitely wrong here. Ice began to back away slowly, shaking his head. In response, the man smiled slightly, slowly reached into his jacket, produced a remote control, and pressed a single button.

Ice felt something sharp enter his chest, and looked down. To his shock, he saw a small, foreign metallic device there. It had been attached when the man grabbed him! Ice’s eyes widened in horror as he felt coldness spreading through his chest and into his limbs. Trying to speak, he managed to get out “You… you…” and then he was gone.

Chief of Police Beirut looked thoroughly alarmed when he made his announcement to the villagers. At first people though it was still shock at him witnessing six deaths due to the wrath of the ultimate being, General Hankerchief, but they soon realized it was something else.

"Gentlemen," he began, "judging by Ice's death the mafia is planning something big. It is imperative that you execute the correct person here, for all of our sakes. Although it would be nice if we had some divine intervention..."

Beirut looked up at the clouds and could have sworn he saw a face that looked apolgetic.

"No matter. Anyway, get voting!"

~~~~~~~
To the mafioso who PM'd me asking if I don't mind about something: My inbox is full at the moment so my answer is that's fine.

[Drisos]

I was out for 2 days, sorry for not being able to vote after the last killings.

***

why on earth is no one voting lemur? off with his head, right now!

I vote Lemur..

!

[Dooz]

Indeed, my vote was going to Lemur this round, and so it is. It just feels right, after everything he's said and done, still around. He's got to be mafia.

[Reenk Roink]

Execute Panno...eh... :huh:

*looks at list*

:stupido:

Pannonian
AggonyDuck

Ok, now to lynch AggonyDuck!

:hanged:

[Silver Rusher]

Lemur for the chop! (NOT A VOTE)

Having been round once, he is now trying something different with his mafia strategy. That is why his kills are building up to something. Just look at this post:


Wow, General, you're really letting the current mafia get away with some elaborate murders. And to think that my cannon/spacesuit was too much for you last game. Color me jealous.

These kills don't tell me much. DA was very active in leading the hunt for the mafia, so it makes sense to kill him. Orb and I were in a minor spat, and the mafia seem to be pretty keen on framing me, so offing Orb was a no-brainer. But come on, mafia -- would I kill the one person voting for me? Look at my behavior in Game 2 and tell me that makes sense. No, you silly, stupid, cowardly mafiosos, all you've done is make it obvious that I'm innocent. Nyah nyah!

To save villagers from scrolling back to page 13, here's the list of the living:

Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
SSNeoperestroika
Csar
AggonyDuck
evil_maniac from mars
Ice
Lemur
Ignoramus
Kommodus
Drisos
Peasant Phill
Gertgregoor
littlelostboy
Cowhead418
Divine Wind
Wonderland
Stormcrow
Kralizec
Kagemusha
Hiji
Alexander the Pretty Good
diablodelmar
Pannonian
I have no basis for picking anybody, although I do suspect a couple of people of being innocent. Won't name 'em, since that just makes the mafia's life easier. I'm picking Stormcrow out of a hat, but I'm open to changing that vote.
OK, first point here is the first paragraph. Notice how Lemur cleverly makes reference to the fact that he was in the mafia last game: a very useful tool for 'proving' your innocence. I would accept this but I think that the comment about his kill last game which was rejected is going overboard in a very suspicious way. Would somebody innocent really try to use his former guilt in such an indirectly persuasive manner (when I say indirectly I mean talking to Gen instead of us; what would seem to be a clever mafia tactic)?

Secondly, let's examine this second paragraph further.

These kills don't tell me much. DA was very active in leading the hunt for the mafia, so it makes sense to kill him.
I'm not sure, but I think here Lemur is very much stating the obvious with this, which doesn't seem like something an innocent would do.


Orb and I were in a minor spat, and the mafia seem to be pretty keen on framing me, so offing Orb was a no-brainer. But come on, mafia -- would I kill the one person voting for me? Look at my behavior in Game 2 and tell me that makes sense. No, you silly, stupid, cowardly mafiosos, all you've done is make it obvious that I'm innocent. Nyah nyah!
In the last game I remember being pretty much the only person who defended Lemur when Tiberius claimed to be the detective. I am embarrassed about it now but I only did it because his arguments were so terrifyingly bad I thought there was no way he could be in the mafia. Those arguments were based around proving his innocence in ways which he made look conclusive, but were far from so. This is exactly that. Lemur is challenging us to look at his behavior in Game 2 but frankly if you are going to be in the mafia for more than one game it is a 'no-brainer' to change your behavioral patterns. Again, though, and this is what gets me, he is stating the obvious when he asks if he would kill the one person voting for him. And given the circumstances, killing Orb and explaining rather pathetically that you couldn't have seems like the perfect plan for the mafia and he is unfortunately seeming to get away with it. No, you silly, stupid, cowardly mafioso, all you've done is make it less likely that you're innocent. Nyah nyah!

Third: the list. Thank you for giving us a helpful resource, Lemur (which really isn't helpful at all). Gee, a mafia would never help the villagers like that (right, but he isn't helping us at all is he?)

Fourth: The vote for Stormcrow.
MEATBALLING!!!
A meatball is an expression I have coined to describe the act of voting for somebody without any kind of evidence, and it often comes with a pathetic excuse. The expression comes from Mafia II where Lemur himself (yup) voted for me (on a bandwagon actually) and used 'I saw him enjoying a spicy meat-a-ball. Sure sign he's a mafioso.' as his excuse. Pathetic. Unsurprisingly, he was also one of the mafia members at the time.

Back to the point, though. The villagers who make large posts generally use those posts to explain why people they have suspicions surrounding those they believe are guilty. Lemur, on the other hand, is using his to explain his innocence, add a list of the survivors (gee, thanks) and analyse the most obvious points of the last execution in a couple of sentences. Voting for Stormcrow is fine although a villager probably would have used the fact that he was lurking as a reason.

Fifth: I believe that after Lemur signed up, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, only really begun making significant game-related posts AFTER the lurker witch-hunt began. Even those weren't very significant. But what gets me most is that in post with more than a few lines, and the first after my post about The Spartan's innocence ('cept for GeneralHanky's), there was not a word about it. Remember that it helps the mafia a lot for people to believe that he is guilty when he is in fact innocent. Agreeing with this post would run the risk of convincing more people that The Spartan was innocent, whereas disagreeing would arouse suspicion. The only thing for a mafioso to do, therefor, would be not to reply at all.

I now ask politely for Kage and Cowhead to back me up in this with their knowledge of mafia-psychology.

Oh, and one more thing. Lemur, if you want to be saved from the chop and you really are innocent I suggest you reply in full to this post. Then the experts among the villagers can analyse it and pick it important bits of info.

[Pannonian]

From my list of lurkers in post #443, Ice, Hiji and Alexander the Pretty Good were somehow left alive from the Act of GHC. We should remove them as soon as possible, if only to ensure that only active posters with examinable posting and voting records are left.

If you were smart, you would have seen i was inactive for 9 days. I couldn't have done it.
From one dead guy to another:
I was going to explain why I said "laziness" rather than anything else, but it hardly seems to matter now.

[Ignoramus]

Ach, I couldn't vote on Saturday, because for some reason I couldn't load The Guild. Then I was away on Sunday, I come back and find myself killed. I was one of the few sensible people who was trying to find the mafia. Anyway, I know who it is now, but since I'm dead, I'm keeping my mouth(what's left of it) shut.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Lemur is EDIT: NOT my vote. I vote Divine Wind.

He's been very suspicious. As others have pointed out, and I posted earlier, he sure is taunting the mafia an awful lot, and if he is the mafia, it is the perfect cover. He claims he isn't killed because the mafia want people to suspect him.

But Kagemusha got killed last game for insulting the mafia.

Also, from a statistical point of view, he is just as likely to be a mafia this game as anyone else.

Crazed Rabbit

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Normally I'd bandwagon Lemur, but what about Divine Wind? He's keeping very quiet, only posts a vote occasionally, and yet wasn't even mentioned by GH in the "Wrath of God" event. Suspicious? Sort of. Enough to lynch someone over? Yes.

Divine Wind has my vote.

[AggonyDuck]

I think we can assume that we still have two mafioso's left. GH makes it quite obvious there. There's fifteen of us left and two of us are mafia members.

After this execution we're down to 14 and after the next murder we'll be only 12 left. The following round of murders will leave 10 of us left and after that execution we're down to 9. Then it's 7 after the murders and 6 after the execution. Then we're down to 6. If we have failed to kill off atleast one mafioso before this we've propably lost the game. So lets make sure we get atleast one mafioso in these following rounds.

EDIT: About my vote; I'll go for Divine Wind instead. Somehow Lemur managed to convince me about his innocence for now.

[Kommodus]

I'm going to stick with my vote-indexing methods here. As others have pointed out, my method can be defeated by the mafia, as it relies on observing who voted in the past for players that are proven innocent later. I was of course aware of this from the beginning, and assumed the mafia would be voting cleverly. However, when players are proven innocent by events that the mafia could not control or anticipate (such as GH's recent annihilation of six inactive players), even clever mafia may be exposed.

Thus, this time the arrow seems to point to Divine Wind, who has my vote.

[Cowhead418]

Hmm... Right now I'm very suspicious of Hiji and Divine Wind. "The wrath of god" failed to kill off Hiji even though he hasn't posted since round one. All those dead were regular villagers so I suspect Hiji may be a mafia (or the detective). On the other hand, Divine Wind's posts are short, rare, and only consist of his votes - a tactic used to avoid attention. Therefore, I vote Divine Wind.

[Lemur]

For SilverRusher: You are too brilliant! Your genius has seen through my clever lies! I admit it, I'm the mafia! in fact, I'm the only mafia left, and once you kill me you will have won! I cannot stand before your brilliant analysis any longer, and can only parade my shame for all.

Lynch me for my crimes. Just you wait, the moment I'm dead GeneralHanky will tell you that you've won. You're all much too brillian for the Lemur.

Go for it! Victory is in sight! Another villager victory for the books! With me and Spartan down, you can all live in peace.

[edit]

I'm voting for Lemur this round. All of his "I'm innocent" posts have convinced me he's guilty as sin!

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm. I change my vote to Divine Wind.

Edit: top of the new page, so see the last post (lemur's) before mine. He's given up, much unlike last round.

Crazed Rabbit

[scotchedpommes]

The expression comes from Mafia II where Lemur himself (yup) voted for me (on a bandwagon actually) and used 'I saw him enjoying a spicy meat-a-ball. Sure sign he's a mafioso.' as his excuse. Pathetic. Unsurprisingly, he was also one of the mafia members at the time.

I warned you all of the meatball, but no, no, it was overlooked.

As for my vote, it shall be for Hiji. I am concerned by his survival of the
wrath. [Although he may have been active recently, I have yet to check
once more.]

[Reenk Roink]

I'm voting for Lemur this round. All of his "I'm innocent" posts have convinced me he's guilty as sin!

Gah Lemur!

You can die on your own time, or commit suicide. Right now I need to extract vengance on AggonyDuck!

Execute AgonnyDuck!

*sorry if this restatement confuses your count GeneralHankercheif*

[B-Wing]

Noooo!!!! They killed Pannonian! You bastards!

I had started to like you, Pan-Man. Personally, I was hoping you would lead the town's people to victory. I'm feeling more and more convinced that The Spartan was a filthy liar as time goes by. The situation is not too grim, though. Everyone is talking now. I think they are making sound decisions. Maybe not the correct decisions, but good ones nonetheless. I still think they should kill Lemur. What about you?

[Lemur]

Gah Lemur!

You can die on your own time, or commit suicide.
Heck no. You villagers want me dead? You're just dying to, uh, see me die? Then you can darn well pony up and spend your vote. Besides, after I'm dead, and the village has won, you can soap each others' beards and slap each others' backs in a hearty, manly way, and congratulate yourselves on being a bunch of geniuses.

[GeneralHankerchief]

While we’re waiting for some more votes, here’s something to entertain you in the meantime.



MAFIA GLOSSARY!


Active Contributer: Someone who posts not only who they want executed, but why they think that person is guilty/innocent. Their efforts are heroic, but usually end up being killed.

Alive: This is what you want to be. If you’re alive you can still vote, and help your side (innocents or Mafia) win.

Bandwagoning: When you vote for someone purely because they have already received votes. Used by the mafia in Game II, but is now apt to get you executed.

Detective: One of the major roles in the game; the other being mafia member. Their job is to PM me with the name of a user they wish to investigate. I will tell them if that user is innocent or guilty. Eventually a Detective can reveal his results to everyone.

Disco Vote: When you vote for someone because they go to a rival school. Named after discovery1, who mercilessly went after Ice in Game I because he went to Michigan.

Execution: When a person is killed by way of having a majority of votes. A person who is executed may or may not be innocent.

Frontroom: The setting of Mafia. Landmarks are added at a whim in order to provide a backdrop for the kills.
Game: One game of Mafia. Comparable to a TV season. For example, in Game I Kagemusha and Shadows killed off the entire Frontroom, earning a Mafia Victory.

General Hankerchief: The narrator/organizer of Mafia. Is the only one who completely knows what’s going on. In the game, he is God and thus, will occasionally hand out the Wrath of God event.

GH: General Hankerchief’s preferred abbreviation.

Ghost Detective: Someone who's dead but still helps out. General Hankerchief appreciates enthusiasm but might just kill Ghost Detectives again for good measure.

Innocent: Someone who’s not a mafia member. Obviously, they are the targets of the mafia.

Kill: When a villager is killed by a mafia member. People who are killed are innocent.

Kojiro: A person who claims to be either a mafioso or Detective, but is in reality just a plain old villager. Named after Sasaki Kojiro, who famously claimed to be the Detective in Game II.

Lurker: Someone who does not vote/doesn’t watch the thread. Lurkers will be dealt with by the Wrath of God.

Mafia: Name of the game.

Mafia member: One of the major roles in the game; the other being Detective. Their job is to PM me each session with the name of a user whom they wish to kill. If a mafia member successfully eliminates the entire Frontroom, they earn a Mafia Victory.

Mafia Victory: Earned when a mafioso kills everyone in the Frontroom. Kagemusha did this in Game I.

Mafiosi: Plural of mafioso.

Mafioso: Shortened term of Mafia Member. Usually used in my postings of kills/execution.

Meatballing: Voting for someone for no reason. Coined by Silver Rusher when Lemur (a mafioso) voted for him in Game II on the basis that he saw SR “eating a spicy meat-a-ball.”

Reveal: The Detective does this when he thinks he has enough information to provide a Townspeople victory. Or, alternatively, he’s a suspect and wants to save himself. Reveals generally consist of who’s guilty/innocent, along with some kind of proof. For an example of a good reveal, check Tiberius’ in Game II.

Session: A cycle of events. A “day” in Frontroom time; it’s usually two or three in real time. A session begins and ends with me posting the updated status list.

Status list: Posted with every execution. It consists of who’s alive, who’s been killed, who’s been executed, and, when applicable, who’s dead for some other reason (usually a suicide or the Wrath of God).

Suicide: When, for whatever reason, someone doesn’t want to play anymore. They are removed from the alive list. I do not accept suicides when that person is receiving a lot of votes.

Survivor: What alive innocents become when the mafia is no more. There were a few survivors in Game II; none in Game I.

Total Mafia Victory: This occurs when the Mafia succeed in wiping out the entire Frontroom, with both mafia members remaining alive. It is a total embarrassment for the innocents and the mafia get to do something special in the final scene. This has not yet occurred.

Townspeople Victory: This occurs when the Innocents are successful in ridding the Frontroom of the mafia. Chances of a Townspeople Victory are significantly increased when a Detective is lucky. This occurred in Game II.

Wrath of God: (also known as Wrath of GH) What Lurkers suffer. They are no longer alive after the Wrath of God hits. The first Wrath of God famously took place in Game III but there will most likely be more.

Write-up: General Hankerchief’s commentary on the game, posted at the end of the game. It contains his thoughts, reactions, and insightful tips that should be taken advantage of. Also, it reveals some really dumb PMs that the mafia might have sent me. :evil:


Have anything to add? Tell me what you think.

[John86]

SSNeoperestroika

He voted for me :furious3:

Now that I think of it, youve voted for me the past three games. :inquisitive:

[discovery1]

what do you call it when you vite for someone because you have something against them, say they go to a rival school?

[scotchedpommes]

Now that I think of it, youve voted for me the past three games.

All three? My, my. Lucky you.

[Ignoramus]

We really need to fix up lurkers in the next game. Almost all the active players have been killed, and mainly lurkers remain. The game then loses interest. Perhaps it ought to be compulsory to vote or die.

[scotchedpommes]

Perhaps it ought to be compulsory to vote or die.

It's not always possible to be present to vote, as we all know. [Yes, with those
absent for several rounds removal is sensible, but otherwise killing those who
have not voted during the odd session would be excessive.]

Thought a 'no vote = self vote' would have been suggested earlier, although
I wouldn't favour such a system either.

[Silver Rusher]

Gah! Nobody has paid any attention at all to my post! Not a single vote for Lemur after it (except from himself).

I think Lemur is using his confession to escape the lynch by making people think he is innocent. More criminal masterminding that has convinced you all again! He obviously saw that if he did not take decisive action he would be lynched immediately. Voting for himself is the perfect risk he would need to take to ensure nobody would vote for him, and whaddya know? It WORKED. Had he not made that post I am sure more people would be voting for him. Lemur, you are very clever, I must say. Didn't GH himself say that a mafioso voting for another mafioso (or himself) is a foolish move? The perfect umbrella. Also, he is still claiming that The Spartan is guilty which he clearly isn't. Attatching himself onto an innocent who claimed to be guilty is also a clever move for a mafioso. It doesn't reveal his partner's identity but it would also make others think that he is ignorant of who is actually in the mafia. Very clever mafia tactics.

I can see a Divine Wind bandwagon forming at the moment. Fine, but if you go after Divine Wind this time remember to go after Lemur next round. I still think that DW's Snowman of Death would be too risky a move had he been in the Mafia but I was wrong about Lemur last game so who knows.

GH, maybe you would like to add the phrase Ghost Detective to the glossary. It is a word for somebody who is dead but still makes a large contribution.

EDIT: Also, GH, you seem to have missed out bandwagon from your glossary. Better put it in fast.

[Orb]

I also support the destruction of our half-monkey infidel Lemur.

Btw - Silver, can you come back to 12th Century Glory? We miss you. (and update your sig)

[Silver Rusher]

I was actually away for the past two days, sorry about that. Shoulda told you in advance.

[Divine Wind]

Normally I'd bandwagon Lemur, but what about Divine Wind? He's keeping very quiet, only posts a vote occasionally, and yet wasn't even mentioned by GH in the "Wrath of God" event. Suspicious? Sort of. Enough to lynch someone over? Yes.

Divine Wind has my vote.

~:snowman:

*The Snowman of Death giggles to himself. He find its odd, that even though hes voted in every single round, hes accused of lurking. How apt..*

*The Snowman of Death ponders over his next vote. He takes out his pipe and leans back into his rocking chair. The only logical thing would be to vote Lemur, even though i now have a feeling that the mafioso may be the Evil Maniac from Mars.

Therefore our vote goes to Lemur.

[Lemur]

I think Lemur is using his confession to escape the lynch by making people think he is innocent. More criminal masterminding that has convinced you all again!
Oh Silver Rusher, I tremble before your genius. How could any mafia hope to survive your unflinching gaze? Onward to victory! Do not allow the evil lemur to live! One more kill and you've won! Huzzah!

[Silver Rusher]

Oh Silver Rusher, I tremble before your genius. How could any mafia hope to survive your unflinching gaze? Onward to victory! Do not allow the evil lemur to live! One more kill and you've won! Huzzah!
Listen, Lemur, just because one person is proven innocent after a confession it doesn't mean that this makes you innocent.

Gah, nobody's listening! Read through my last two posts, everyone who voted for Divine Wind, PLEASE.

[Drisos]

My list, similar to Reenk Roink's list:

1: Lemur!
2: Lemur!
3: Lemur!

[Crazed Rabbit]

Silver Rusher, I think you're just trying to compensate for defending Lemur last game. But your record on supporting/calling Lemur a mafia is going to be 0 for 2.

Your great post examining Lemur's actions is far-fetched and rests mostly on suspicions blown way out of proportion from nothing.

Oh well.


GH, maybe you would like to add the phrase Ghost Detective to the glossary. It is a word for somebody who is dead but still makes a large contribution.

How about Ghost Witch Hunter or Ghost Pitchfork Waver?

Crazed Rabbit

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Careful that you don't mess up Gen's voting system. Same goes to Crazed Rabbit.