Mafia IV: Night of the Living Mafia [Concluded]

[Sigurd]

Wow, I take my hat off.
Kommodus your methods are pure intelligence. Take it from one who worked in the field during his military service. It doesn’t matter if you use a brilliant mathematical formula or are able to sniff private messages. The result is the same – intelligence.

[Sir Moody]

:laugh4: my first mafia and we all won :laugh4:

[Drisos]

:balloon2: congratulations to Sasaki for instantly suspecting Masy. :2thumbsup:

congratulations to Reenk Roink for picking the right one to investigate :2thumbsup:

congratulations to Kommodus for having us vote Masy :2thumbsup:

yihaaaaaaaaa we survived!! ~:cheers: ~:cheers: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: not much innocents killed, mafia dead.. couldn't be better.. lets party!! ~:)

[Dutch_guy]

Kommodus, I think we'd all like to know at least something of your methode, perhaps not everything - which would otherwise be somewhat unfair towards you - but at least something other than seemingly criptic nonsense.

Other than that, your methode did seem to work alright with Masy. But then again, it was the first and only time you've employed it. So is this a game winner ? Well, I daresay we'll see in a next mafia game.

:balloon2:

[Divine Wind]

Wow, nice one Kommodus. I dip my hat in your general direction. :bow:

Shame that game had to end so quickly. It seemed it was heading for quite an interesting game, with lots of people participating.

[Kommodus]

Somehow I feel that if Kommodus has a method which allows him to know the identity of the Detective and the Mafia by round 3, then I feel that he should refrain from using it. What is the fun in the game if someone is certain who the Mafia is by round 3? I feel cheated...:no:

You're right AD. Absolutely right. In fact, I'd already thought of this. (As I said, I wasn't sure of the identify of the other mafioso, but when I found it I planned to try some experiments and not make it too easy for the villagers.)

Nevertheless, comparing the tactics I used in this game to those I devised in Mafia II is like comparing nuclear to convential weapons. And the threat of mutual annihilation is enough to prevent their use, ever again.

[Masy]

Yes. Well. Oh dear, I guess. First off, congrats to the townsfolk, especially Kommodus, Sasaki and co who assaulted me from the start. A 2 round victory is impressive (and frankly deeply humiliating), but I hope it's down to the towns 1337 skills rather than our ineptitude ( I say our, but really Disco got killed for something entirely un-mafia related, so the fault lay with me...) Anyhoo, heres how my brief game panned out, for those who want to learn a mafia strategy NOT to be copied...

Logged on 7ish on the first day, and proceeded straight to this thread. Posted an innocous comment to get some chat going, sat back, and waited. Only then did I notice the little flashing pm box. Damn! I had already drawn attention to myself, but time was running out, so PM I did. 30 mins later, up come the kills, and so do the suspicions of me. Tiberius, I chose you cos of your "The mafia will get me!" approach, and I always aim to please. As for osmium - total red herring (google, heavy metal), and I'm delighted with how well it worked. That is, delighted until it fingered Disco, the, unbeknowst to me, chemist graduate. Ugh. Luck was not with us. The pressure was on.

But, happily, Myrddraal and Sasaki started having a go at each other, so the heat was off for a while. But, the townspeople suddenly got annoyed at the Ice/ Disco fued, and, for a 50-50 chance, lo and behold my fellow mafioso gets bumped off. I had tried to maintain an air of distance, and not get to involved in the chat (I even didn't log in at times, so as not to appear online). But I also tried to make some friends, and be fairly neutral, and only voting for "safe" parties (Kage). Csar was killed to stir up the Sasaki/Myrddraal thing, and Leet killed to frame Ice, as disco was going to attempt to blame him in the chat. This seemed to all go ok, but then out of the blue came the fateful Kommodus post. Well, damn. Suddenly the whole frontroom turns on me. A couple resigned, but desperate, defences fail, and the lynch strikes.

As for Kommodus's strategy, I can only assume that Reenk Roink and him were in cohorts, Reenk maintaining neutrality so not to appear as a target (and lose his valuable detective skill), and Kommodus making the Votes (as he had some kind of previous method of detecting mafia, this assurity in his posting could be covered up by some "new method"). If Kommodus died, he could still influence the chat, and Reenk could still investigate. I can only assume, but well done whatever it was.

Final thanks to disco for mafia-ing with me, and to GH for hosting. I sign off now, a Mediocre (ex) Mafioso...

-edit-


Somehow I feel that if Kommodus has a method which allows him to know the identity of the Detective and the Mafia by round 3, then I feel that he should refrain from using it. What is the fun in the game if someone is certain who the Mafia is by round 3? I feel cheated...

Lol. If it is other than what i suggested, be frugal in it's use please! Mafia is fun, but not when super-sleuths get the mafia first time. Not taking credit from your victory though. Well done (Grrr).

Also sadly I won't have access to the internet from this thursday to the next (just as well we were defeated eh), so i will be unable to participate in Kommodus's ace looking new game. Sniff.

[Masy]

Double Post

[Avicenna]

GAHHHHH!! MASY!! WHAT DID I EVER DO TO YOU?

I will now have to live with the eternal shame of being the person a rookie 'made his bones' on
:disappointed:
(no offence Masy)

Anyway, Kommodus: n^2 number of roots? That's one big big polynomial. Are they actually useful at all, by the way? (polynomials)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Aw shucks. That was over fast. Well anyway, to all the people suspecting me:

https://img175.imageshack.us/img175/796/1109284976914cw3.jpg

BAHAHHAHAHA don't you feel foolish now. I was looking forward to defending myself today though. I figured I could live at least one more round. I'm also amused that my very first suspicion of the game was correct. I did think discovery was innocent but still my logic for suggesting we lynch him was good. Would have been very good cover if we hadn't jumped on him for it this game.


And Kommodus, that was one of the funniest things ever. I'll have to see if I can figure out your method.

[Reenk Roink]

Yes, I confess, I was the detective. :2thumbsup:

I didn't get to reveal much to the townspeople myself, but on the other hand, if I were to do that, I would be killed, so everyone's happy! :2thumbsup:

Essentially, I was left in the dark for the first three rounds. I picked anyone who my capricious will fancied. Then Masy, who I had my suspicions on, accused me and left the fan club. I was going to investigate him, but he was executed anyway. :2thumbsup:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Heyyyy you didn't investigate me. Congrats.

Btw Masy, why did you kill Myrddraal?

[Kommodus]

Anyway, Kommodus: n^2 number of roots? That's one big big polynomial. Are they actually useful at all, by the way? (polynomials)

Heh, I'm sure everyone realizes that that whole post was pure BS. If you solve a 3-dimensional polynomial function, what you get isn't a discrete number of points, but a set of functions describing where your 3-D polynomial crosses the XZ plane (depending on how you label your axes).

Anyway, I think that's right, but it's been like 6 years six I took all those college math classes. I had to use mathworld.com to come up with some of that stuff. :laugh4:

Part of me is glad the villagers won such a quick victory, just to show that it is possible. The mafia have won the last 3 or 4 games in a row, and even the prior villager victories were spectacularly close affairs. The hapless villagers were about due for a lopsided victory.

Still, I'm sorry it had to happen in a GeneralHankerchief game. GH, your games are the original and still the best. This one was shaping up to be a fantastic one - I can only hope my game has as much participation. I am truly, truly sorry to have ended it so quickly. As I said before, I will never, ever do that again. I wouldn't have done it this time if I knew Masy was the last mafioso.

Some of you may remain curious about what I did, but I still can't say. It's a sort of "nuclear non-proliferation pact" on my part. I told one lie in this game, after all. Remember this?


Unfortunately, as in Mafia II, I can't reveal it at this time. Why, you ask? Once again, because knowledge of it would help the mafia defeat it.

The real danger was never that it would fall into the hands of the mafia, but that it would fall into the hands of the villagers. Bringing an end to all mafia activity on this forum is just not worth it.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Wow, that guy from A Beautiful Mind has got nothing on Kommodus.

I'm gald that Sasaki was innocent, or I would have looked a bit silly.

[Orb]

Over so soon?

How the Hell did you get him after only two rounds of kills? Kommodus, I'm stunned.

[Crazed Rabbit]

*Crazed Rabbit peeks out from behind his wall of sandbags in his bedroom. It is getting late in the day, and he has heard no explosions or gunshots. Cautiously, he looks up, holding his AR-15, CZ-75 in holster. Seeing nothing unusual (besides the numerous booby traps) he turns off the security systems and slowly makes his way outside.*

I'm...alive? As a villager?

Well, I've got to tip my hat to Kommodus. You've got something, alright. Is it really so powerful that it would destroy mafia? When I was detecitve, I managed to eliminate 1/5 or 1/4 of the people in the first couple rounds as innocent. I'd really like just a wee bit more info...

Sorry for suspecting you, and Sasaki.

I'll buy you both a mug at one of the many bars in town:
http://www.prestigeglass.com/kali/catalogue/images/pewter_beer_glass_1.jpg

Crazed Rabbit

[GeneralHankerchief]

Really, I don't think a commentary is needed. If you have a question about a particular event just ask me here. In lieu of a commentary, I'll just post who killed/investigated who each round.

Round 1:
-Disco kills Silver Rusher
-Masy kills Tiberius
-Reenk Roink investigates Sigurd Fafnesbane
-Executed: Kagemusha

Round 2
-Disco kills Evil Maniac From Mars
-Masy kills Myrddraal
-Reenk Roink investigates doc_bean
-Executed: Disco

Round 3
-Masy kills Leet Eriksson and Csar
-Reenk Roink investigates King Henry V
-Executed: Masy

Round 4
-Reenk Roink investigates Masy

~~~~~~~

K, I guess asking you for that formula would be useless. I must say that you've become the new Dutch_guy in terms of freakish accuracy and I thank you for deciding to not to use it in the future.

Good game, everyone. Let's all head over to Cosa Nuova now and keep the fun going! :2thumbsup:

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'm interested...why was I killed? Generally I'd either narrowly escape a lynching or go around bandwagoning and watching. What did the Mafia really have to gain from my death?

[Zalmoxis]

I'm dazed and confused.. need to leave.

[discovery1]

I'm interested...why was I killed? Generally I'd either narrowly escape a lynching or go around bandwagoning and watching. What did the Mafia really have to gain from my death?

To cast suspicion on the more active members. That and we didn't really have anything to gain after I realized that killing the more active members wouldnj't shut them up. So clearly the best thing to do is to hurt their credibility.

[Ice]

Wow, I TOLD YOU DISCO WAS GUILTY!

:2thumbsup:

Btw, U of I sucks.

[discovery1]

Wow, I TOLD YOU DISCO WAS GUILTY!

:2thumbsup:

Btw, U of I sucks.

Ice,

CURSE YOU!!! I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE! AARRRRGGGHHHH

[doc_bean]

Well, this was shaping up to be a terrific game, too bad it ended a little before its time.

Kommodus I am in awe :bow:
either you found a way to hack the org and checkout GH mailbox, or you have created one of the most impressive filters I've ever seen :dizzy2:

[UltraWar]

UltraWar noticed that there was no more letters asking about where the missing Osnium he borrowed from the Libyans went. He was also glad that the mafia were gone. Yet, there was still people who were willing to kill him for his prized work.

UltraWar sighed and got into the DeLorean. He had to go back in time to fix this paradox in the Gameroom. The Mafia never lose, Never!

UltraWar started up the engine muttering these final words:

"Only the brave enjoy noble and glorious deaths"

[Masy]

Btw Masy, why did you kill Myrddraal?

It was actually Discos suggestion, but I hoped it would finger you in some way (which it did).

[discovery1]

It was actually Discos suggestion, but I hoped it would finger you in some way (which it did).

No it wasn't. I suggested you kill a lurker and let Mydraal live, but you got the kill in first.


Oops sorry, I posted my kill before I got your message. Who are you going to
kill btw?

>From:
>To:
>Subject: Re: mafia
>Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:28:12 -0500 (CDT)
>
>Hmmm. I guess we could try and manipulate the situation using Myddraal, and
>they can apparently post their comments anyway so killing him won't do any
>good. Killing off a lurker might be a better idea.
>
>---- Original message ----
> >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:20:59 +0000
> >From:
> >Subject: mafia
> >To:
> >
> >Masy here. Forgot you didn't want pm. You can get me at this address
>then.
> >You ok with myyrdal? I wont post the kill yet
> >

[Masy]

Sorry, my bad. I was referring to this



WARNING: MYRDDRAAL WILL BE TAKING A HARDCORE APPROACH TO THE GAME:

from the chat:
[17:22] Myrddraal: ah
[17:22] Myrddraal: :)
[17:23] Myrddraal: I'm a bit worried about bandwagoning in these mafia games...
[17:23] Myrddraal: it seems to be the most deadly weapon availiable to the mafia
[17:23] Myrddraal: I read the whole of the Godfather thread, and the ease with wich the Mafia controlled the mob was scary
[17:24] craziest_mother_around: I don't pay all that much attention to the games
[17:24] Myrddraal: well I haven't played in any before
[17:24] Myrddraal: but nonetheless
[17:24] Myrddraal: I intend to question every scrap of evidence that comes my way, and do so publically, with the intention of encouraging others to do the same
[17:25] craziest_mother_around: I'm impressed.
[17:25] Csar: I was waiting on posting my vote
[17:25] Csar: Trying to get more facts
[17:25] Myrddraal: btw I have to ask, when players of these games refer to 'the chat' are they talking about this chat?
[17:26] Myrddraal: problem is that there are no facts really
[17:26] Csar: but since it's the first round I doubt there will be much info
[17:26] craziest_mother_around: probably
[17:26] Csar: yeah this is what there talking about
[17:26] Myrddraal: the first few lynches will be fairly random I fear

It would probably be a good idea to kill him off within the first 3 or 4 rounds.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

AS I SAID

But did you listen? Nooooo

[Myrddraal]

~;p


Anyway, Sasaki's probably guilty of something... :idea2: LYNCH SASAKI! I urge you. :2thumbsup:

[Leet Eriksson]

Oh yeah, and Fizzil (that's leet eriksson to you) must be feeling pretty silly now.

Whodathunkit i was a mafia stooge all along, i never expected Disco to be mafia. ~;p

[The Spartan (Returns)]

sorry i didnt get to participate all!
was too busy at the time.
apologies to everyone.