New Mafia Game: Rise of the Mob [Concluded]

[Don Corleone]

Lynch JimBob.

I suggested Seamus to Kage before the kills were posted and he said he would investigate him, so I know Kage hasn't been doing what JimBob is accusing him of.

Which is it, me or JimBob, or any of the other 20 people you've thrown mud at so far? Doesn't anybody ever call you on being a hinderance?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Which is it, me or JimBob, or any of the other 20 people you've thrown mud at so far? Doesn't anybody ever call you on being a hinderance?

Hey, at least I don't try to convince people that you are mafia after you've been killed :tongue3:

[Don Corleone]

I don't think you're mafia. I haven't tried to convince anyone of that either. I just think that your splatter technique drowns out a lot of not so obvious clues.

[Xiahou]

Well i dont have an suspect for you this round either. I investigated Seamus and he was innocent. Vote Csar.First i will get a Mafioso and then only dead people?
That's unfortunate. :shame:

Phill hadn't seemed particularly suspicious to me until he so quickly jumped on me after Seamus fingered the two of us. It wasn't Seamus' accusation, but Phill's response which was to blame the alternative (me) as quickly as possible. That makes me think Seamus may have flushed him out.

Vote: Peasant Phill


Lynch JimBob.I do think he's a reasonable choice, but right now it seems more likely that Seamus flushed out Phill. I'd say investigate JimBob, lynch Phill- however the opposite would work just as well.

[Csargo]

Just to make this clear Jimbob and Seamus are dead. They were both killed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

oops lol

[Kagemusha]

Im going to vote Hepcat. I might have been after wrong people lately since the mafia keeps just killing of all the experienced players, this looks to me like a move from unexperienced player.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

5 players have each earned one vote:

Disco (Don C), Don C (Moody), Hepcat (Kagemusha), Phil (Xiahou), Silver (Dutch), Xiahou (Phil).

Abstain has also earned one vote (Hepcat).

5 votes have not been cast (3 from chronic non-voters: Disco, Silver, Warluster), the two regulars who have yet to vote are Husar and Reenk.

Thoughts:

Phil's explanation for limited voting is, of course, plausible. Believability is not assured by this, however, as he himself noted.

I have been non-plussed by Kag's ability to detect only the innocence of the very recently demised after round one. However, to his credit, he is investigating the more active posters first, and the mafia is clearly targeting them. The coincidence is possible.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Quick thoughts:

JimBob's death surprises me. He was a prime suspect, so either this mafia is:
a) not really paying attention to the thread
b) a newbie
c) taunting us.

I am particularly worried about A and C.

Kage's reveal still seems genuine to me. He matches the behavior of his previous reveal (Cosa Nuova), in which he did so when facing no personal danger. His replies from Csar also seem genuine based on writing style.

Don has had a skeptical nature in all the games he's played - IIRC. This distrust of Kage could be Don being Don, or it could be cover.

I am still convinced of Kage's innocence. Since we have no real leads, I urge that Don be given the chop. Kage - if you're playing us all, a job well done my friend. :bow:

[Reenk Roink]

The mafia are bothering me a lot. Their kills are getting simple to the point of apathy... Csar has told us that he had to lengthen their kills before, and actually gave a warning to the Mafia this round...

Like many others have put forward, this most likely is either an incredibly new and clueless Mafia or an incredibly brilliant and experienced Mafia. The fact that we have no leads has me pointing to the latter...

Then again, the fact that we have no clues means we have no one to work with, and so I'm going to have to go against the newbies.

Sorry Hepcat, but my vote's for you. Your post actually made me think of a new Mafia strategy: a new Mafia who wants to act like a veteran Mafia by acting like a new one...

EDIT: I just noticed that once again, Kage's investigations were killed... The Mafia is getting to them before he even reveals them. This is getting rid of some of my support, because now that it happened again, I can't accept such a "coincidence", but on the other hand, GH was killed too. :dizzy2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

EDIT: I just noticed that once again, Kage's investigations were killed... The Mafia is getting to them before he even reveals them. This is getting rid of some of my support, because now that it happened again, I can't accept such a "coincidence", but on the other hand, GH was killed too. :dizzy2:

I guess this got lost in the shuffle somewhere:



try investigating peasant phill


Good suggestion. I have already investigated for the next round.But if i dont get killed this night or lynched next day, i was thinking of investigating either Peasant Phil or Seamus Fermanagh.


Yeah Seamus would be a better choice.


Ok.Seamus is next.


All from before Seamus was killed obviously.

[Csargo]

I guess this got lost in the shuffle somewhere:




All from before Seamus was killed obviously.


Just like my kills. ;)

[Xiahou]

Just to make this clear Jimbob and Seamus are dead. They were both killed.
:laugh4:

Well, Im sticking with Phill- when the two of us were presented as suspects he seemed very quick to throw me under the bus.

[Hepcat]

Oh well, since I am prime suspect now I guess I will just vote for someone.

Vote Xiahou

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What reason for that vote?

[Xiahou]

Well since Phill clearly isnt getting lynched this round I'll avoid a runoff and

unvote
Vote: Hepcat

Hopefully our man Kage will investigate Phill then.

[Hepcat]

I don't have a reason, I just randomly picked someone since I am probably going to die anyway.

[discovery1]

Vote: Hepcat

He mentioned that he's going down, so naturally I had to jump on him.

[Hepcat]

:oops:

Shouldn't have told you I was being voted against.
:wall:

Right:
Unvote: Xiahou
Vote: discovery1

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Under Sigurd's "Rule of Three," Discovery1's vote for Hepcat indicates that Disco is a mafioso. It should be noted, however, that Sigurd has suggested that close back/forth voting such as this round's is not the best forum for applying his rule.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The rule of three is pretty bogus anyhow. I think it first game up in Mafia III when I accused gertgreggor with it round 1 and he later turned out mafia. But statistically there's nothing conclusive.

It's just a convenient way to say someone is bandwagoning.

[Sir Moody]

i was thinkign the same - i suggest disco should be kages next investigation his vote was a clear jump onto a bandwagon

[Xiahou]

Im still very suspicious of Phill's behavior, but Disco made an obvious bandwagon vote as well. Doing something so blatant would seem to mean Disco isnt mafia- but otoh, maybe he thought people would think what I just said and is trying to pull some sort of "reverse stupid".

Luckily, the town has a detective and hopefully a few rounds of voting left to sort it out... anyone work out how many we have left?

[Csargo]

Still Alive:

Husar

Sir Moody

TheRTWGuru

Dutch_Guy

Silver Rusher

Reenk Roink

Hepcat

Warluster

Peasant Phill

Kagemusha

Discovery1

Don Corleone

Xiahou

[discovery1]

Under Sigurd's "Rule of Three," Discovery1's vote for Hepcat indicates that Disco is a mafioso. It should be noted, however, that Sigurd has suggested that close back/forth voting such as this round's is not the best forum for applying his rule.

What is Sigurd's rule of three?:help:

oh, just bandwagoning.

Since everyone is focusing on me, now would be a good time to start stripping. Just imagine a skinny tall pale guy stripping. There.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Since everyone is focusing on me, now would be a good time to start stripping. Just imagine a skinny tall pale guy stripping. There.

~:eek: ~:shock: :hide:

[Hepcat]

:ahh:
DISCO THIS IS A FAMILY BOARD!

[Peasant Phill]

Since everyone is focusing on me, now would be a good time to start stripping. Just imagine a skinny tall pale guy stripping. There.

Should I put a nice tune on then? (goes to the cd player while humming a hot chocolate hit).

Since I have no clue what so ever about possible culprits I vote abstain

[Don Corleone]

Strange, still no explanation from Disco for his odd behavior. Just threats of a particularly unpleasant sight to behold...

[Don Corleone]

Still Alive:

Husar

Sir Moody

TheRTWGuru

Dutch_Guy

Silver Rusher

Reenk Roink

Hepcat

Warluster

Peasant Phill

Kagemusha

Discovery1

Don Corleone

Xiahou

So who got lynched/killed yesterday? You make it REALLY hard to keep up....

[Sir Moody]

no-one yet votes are still coming in

[Husar]

Vote: Disco

I want to see more...:2thumbsup:

[discovery1]

Strange, still no explanation from Disco for his odd behavior. Just threats of a particularly unpleasant sight to behold...

What is there to explain? Hepcat mentioned that lots of people were voting for him, so I had to bandwagon.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's not Disco. He was extremely happy to be mafioso in Mafia IV and was mad that he didn't last longer. If he was mafioso again then he wouldn't act like this.

[Hepcat]

I wouldn't be so sure. Anyway, I don't care, I have one other person on my side in voting for him so maybe I might just survive this round. All he did when I told him I was probably going to get killed was he dashed off to vote for me too.
~:pissed:

[discovery1]

It's not Disco. He was extremely happy to be mafioso in Mafia IV and was mad that he didn't last longer. If he was mafioso again then he wouldn't act like this.


I did try and talk Csar into making me mafia, he wouldn't listen though.

[Csargo]

Voting closed.

[Csargo]

Csar tallied the votes and they ended up Hepcat 4 to Disco's 3. Well Hep has been chosen to die on this most glorious of days. I have decided that I will not deal with Hep. I shall let you all kill him without having to dirty my own hands have at it. Needless to say he was dead a little while later. Alright you may all go.......


Not so fast. Said a voice from the sky. "Is that you God?" asked Csar. Yes it is me, and I have noticed that a few of you have not been voting. Even after my threat of death.

Suddenly two lightning bolts came out of the sky and struck Silver Rusher and Warluster. They were both turned into a pile of ashes after that.

Let that be a lesson to all of you if you don't care enough to vote then you shall be killed.

Alright everyone you may go home now.



Votes and still alive:


Husar-Disco

Sir Moody-Don Corleone

Dutch_Guy-Silver

Silver Rusher-DEAD :thumbsdown:

Reenk Roink-Hep

Hepcat-Disco :thumbsdown:

Warluster-DEAD :thumbsdown:

Peasant Phill-Abstain

Kagemusha-Hep

Discovery1-Hep

Don Corleone-Disco

Xiahou-Hep



Hepcat-4:thumbsdown:

Discovery1-3

Silver-1

DC-1

PM's please.

[Reenk Roink]

Ok, wow, I just noticed we only have 9 left... :shocked2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We'll have 7 left with 1 mafioso? Uh oh. The mafia may slip this one away.

[Hepcat]

:no:
silly people, now you're in for it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, we have two more chances with the investigations. And 2 lynches left. We still have a decent chance. There's just not much to go on. I'll have to do a reread come next round.

[Csargo]

The mafiosos were really mad. One of all, Csar made them kill people in interesting ways and also because detective Kagemusha was just useless.

So a mafioso went to Kagemushas house and kicked open the door. Kagemusha was spying on people with a telescope. The mafioso ran and tackled Kagemusha and tied him to the ground. Then they got his magnafying glass and put it near the window, focused on his head! Luckily the Doctor showed up in time to save Kage from a horrible fate.

Husar was singing in his shower. Suddenly, the hot water was turned off and Husar screamed like a girl, freezing his butt off. That was the last sound Husar ever mad though, because a mafioso put an axe to his neck.


Still Alive:

Sir Moody-

Dutch_Guy-

Reenk Roink-

Peasant Phill

Kagemusha-

Discovery1-

Don Corleone-

Xiahou-

P.S.-Just to make this clear Kage was saved by the Doctor.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well there you go. 8 alive. With Kage's investigation we've either found the 2nd mafioso or have 2 confirmed innocents. BTW Kage don't reveal who you investigated publically otherwise the mafia will kill him tonight. Be more useful to have him alive.

We don't lynch anyone today. Let the mafia kill 2 more, then lynch with 6 alive and again with 3 alive. 1/6 +1/3=50% chance. 1/8+1/5=32.5% chance. Also, we'll have another investigation tomorrow.

We should still discuss, mind you.


edit: Made text bigger so mafia can't pretend they didn't see it

edit again: 1/5 is not 25% https://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6495/emotdohba8.gif

[Sigurd]

I am sorry I doubted you Kage..:shame:

[Xiahou]

Is a no-lynch vote even an option? If everyone abstains, it only takes 1 vote to see someone lynched.

Anyhow, since HepCat obviously wasnt the second mafioso, I'm still very suspicious of Phill.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Is a no-lynch vote even an option?

Csar?

[Xiahou]

Doh! Just answered my own question by reading the first post:

You can vote for a person with any reason you like. Be aware though, that a dumb reason will cast suspicion on you. Voting "abstain" is allowed, however "no lynch" is NOT.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm. Well, this is so obviously the best plan for the town. I suppose a mafioso might pretend not to have noticed though.

IF YOU VOTE THIS ROUND YOU ARE MAFIA

That ought to do it ~D

[Kagemusha]

Like Sasaki suggested im not going to tell who i investigated to the public anymore.Just to the innocent persons.I would like to thank the mafia for proving me the detective.Now its the mafia member who is alone in the dark wondering what the town knows.Good job Mafia!:2thumbsup:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Let's here some abstentions!

[Sir Moody]

what we really need now is a blow by blow summery -someone needs to go back and produce a list of who voted for who (including unvotes) for every round - im sure we will find some anomolies lurking in the shadows and we can use these to lynch someone apropriate - my money is on Don C his attacks on Kage last round were a perfect cover for killing him - would have been perfect cept the doctor is still with us :2thumbsup: that means we have 2 positive roles to one negative - we are winning

[Husar]

Hmm, I think that proves me innocent, doesn't it?:inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

what we really need now is a blow by blow summery -someone needs to go back and produce a list of who voted for who (including unvotes) for every round

Good man, glad to see you volunteering to help the cause :p


I suspect Seamus and Maybe Kommodus has something of this sort

[Reenk Roink]

Hmm. Well, this is so obviously the best plan for the town. I suppose a mafioso might pretend not to have noticed though.

IF YOU VOTE THIS ROUND YOU ARE MAFIA

That ought to do it ~D

Vote: Mafia Vote: Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Mafia Vote: Sasaki

haha, are you protesting my giant red text by quoting it?

[Reenk Roink]

haha, are you protesting my giant red text by quoting it?

Good point.

:stupido2: If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em...

Vote: Sasaki

[discovery1]

After the smashing sucess of my striptease, I will now play the trumpet. However, I have no idea how to do so and even if I did I know no songs. So now, noise on a trumpet.

Oh yeah, and I abstain and am lead around by others.

[Csargo]

Hmm. Well, this is so obviously the best plan for the town. I suppose a mafioso might pretend not to have noticed though.

IF YOU VOTE THIS ROUND YOU ARE MAFIA

That ought to do it ~D

Communist.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I am sorry I doubted you Kage..:shame:

I'm not.

However, unless Csar has altered the normal playing rules that prevent a faked failed murder, I have to acknowledge that my suspicions were unfounded.

Good luck staying alive doc.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Is a no-lynch vote even an option? If everyone abstains, it only takes 1 vote to see someone lynched.

True, but I suspect such a solo voter would not have much of a chance to apologize....:smash: :smash: :smash: :skull:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Name: v,o,t,e,s [total # active votes, 5 possible] (role, if known)

Discovery1: no vote, no vote, no vote, theRTWGuru, Hepcat, abstain [2]
Don Corleone: Gen Hanky, abstain, Kagemusha, theRTWGuru, Discovery1 [4]
Dutch_Guy: no vote, no vote, Proletariat, no vote, Silver Rusher [1]
Kagemusha: Proletariat, no vote, no vote, no vote, Hepcat [2]
Peasant Phil: no vote, Gen Hanky, Proletariat, no vote, Xiahou [3]
Reenk Roink: Sir Moody, no vote, Proletariat, theRTWGuru, no vote, Sasaki [3]
Sir Moody: Reenk Roink, Ultrawar, Proletariat, theRTWGuru, Don C [5]Xiahou: no vote, Ultrawar, Proletariat, JimBob, Hepcat [4]

Cleared by Kagemusha: Gen Hanky, Seamus, ?
Condemned by Kagemusha: Proletariat
-- Doctor still in play

The Case Against:

Disco = very inactive at outset in a game where mafiosi were targeting any active player. Continues to make brief posts and avoid longer discussions

Don= went after Kagemusha after the reveal (so did I) but was the only one to vote with Proletariat for Kag's death; far more active in this thread than in the M5 thread despite being alive in both of these concurrent games.

Phil= has always lodged votes for people not likely to be lynched, aside from the vote for Prole (who was a likely goner at that point). Has taken a somewhat more active posting style this game than in previous ones.

Reenk= as with Phil, votes have been fairly benign. Very active and no abstentions (though this deviation from previous posting behavior is also true of his participation in the concurrent M5)

Moody = hasn't missed a vote, never abstaining. This is a deviation from previous play for him, and stands out a bit more as he is the only survivor in a game where the mafia has specifically targeted all active voters.

Xiahou= voting record is pretty standard. Has voted for 3 lynchees with one outlier. Missed only the first round (which is usually almost random anyway). Posting behavior fairly consistent with previous outings.

[discovery1]

On second though

vote: Seamus Fermanagh

This post:
I'm not.

However, unless Csar has altered the normal playing rules that prevent a faked failed murder, I have to acknowledge that my suspicions were unfounded.

Good luck staying alive doc.

Freaks me out. He doesn't seem at all concerned that he could well have lynched the detective.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

noooo why are you voting disco, we aren't going to lynch anyone this round. Remember the math!

1/8 + 1/5 =


...


oh seamus is dead nevermind

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Disco = very inactive at outset in a game where mafiosi were targeting any active player. Continues to make brief posts and avoid longer discussions

Don= went after Kagemusha after the reveal (so did I) but was the only one to vote with Proletariat for Kag's death; far more active in this thread than in the M5 thread despite being alive in both of these concurrent games.

Phil= has always lodged votes for people not likely to be lynched, aside from the vote for Prole (who was a likely goner at that point). Has taken a somewhat more active posting style this game than in previous ones.

Reenk= as with Phil, votes have been fairly benign. Very active and no abstentions (though this deviation from previous posting behavior is also true of his participation in the concurrent M5)

Moody = hasn't missed a vote, never abstaining. This is a deviation from previous play for him, and stands out a bit more as he is the only survivor in a game where the mafia has specifically targeted all active voters.

Xiahou= voting record is pretty standard. Has voted for 3 lynchees with one outlier. Missed only the first round (which is usually almost random anyway). Posting behavior fairly consistent with previous outings.

Interesting. An increase in posting or a change in style are big mafia indicators. I find Don's strange actions in this game interesting. He's far more active and accusatory this game than in mafia V.

I'll avoid commenting on the others because I'm all too happy to have my suspects killed by the mafia. They'll have to wait till tomorrow. I'd like to hear from Don though (I have a feeling the mafia weren't planning on killing him).

[Csargo]

On second though

vote: Seamus Fermanagh

This post:

Freaks me out. He doesn't seem at all concerned that he could well have lynched the detective.

He's already dead Disco

[Sir Moody]

Moody = hasn't missed a vote, never abstaining. This is a deviation from previous play for him, and stands out a bit more as he is the only survivor in a game where the mafia has specifically targeted all active voters.


atually ive never missed a vote in any of the games ive played - im also normally dead by the 3rd round tho so... and as for posting more im fed up of being dead by the 3rd round so by posting like sas somewhat i hoped id survive longer - its worked so far

actually i wouldnt mind being lynched - ive played enough Mafias now to know the ropes and be considered a semi vet - i only need 2 things now to take the final step and become a mafia veteran

1) Sas needs to accuse me of being a mafia... he never has and all the vets need to have this at least once

2) i Need to be lynched - its a kind of "strike me down and i will be become more powerful than you can ever imagine" clause

anyway seriously my opinion is 2 names jump out in that list
first is disco aka mr bandwagon - hes abscent for the first part of the game and then suddenly wakes up and joins the RTWGuru bandwagon (which i started...) and then he joins the Hepcat wagon - 2 votes out of 3 rounds (and a vote off) and both are bandwagons...

second is Don - as noted hes more active, he attacked kage even after everyone else was pretty sure he was the detective and he didnt vote prole(not conlucsive at that point if I was mafia I would have voted for her if only to buy time for yourself)

i sugesst we lynch one and investigate the other- im going with Disco oh and btw i dont agree with the dont vote the only informatio nwe have to go on is voting record - if we all dont vote we only have kage to rely on and theres no guarantee he will hit

Vote: Disco

and now i better don some protective gear... its going to get nasty...

[Hepcat]

After the smashing sucess of my striptease, I will now play the trumpet. However, I have no idea how to do so and even if I did I know no songs. So now, noise on a trumpet.

Oh yeah, and I abstain and am lead around by others.

WHAT!! Are you trying to mock me further! As if getting me killed isn't enough you now mock my instrument of choice by making horrible sounds on it.
~:mecry:

Why do you hate me.:embarassed:

[Sir Moody]

well sas sent me a pm trying to persuade me to unvote im not convinced so my vote stand for now but basically im of the opinion that sasakis maths are just that - math

they foget the wonderful human element we dont know what the mafia will do and by not voting everyone is anonymous - we need the votes to trace actions to work out who is what - the only other option is to rely on kage to get lucky and play the odds - oh and btw kage i think you SHOULD post last nights investigation while they are doomed to die it is one more confirmed inocent for those of us who cant investigate people

sorry sas will take some convincing to get me to unvote

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sir moody, by tomorrow we can have 3 people proved innocent. And possible find mafia. It's quite possible to discuss without voting. It's not just math. Best case scenario tomorrow we are choosing between 3 people.

If you were mafia, this would be an easy oppurtunity to bump off an innocent and leave us with only one lynch.

[Reenk Roink]

well sas sent me a pm trying to persuade me to unvote im not convinced so my vote stand for now but basically im of the opinion that sasakis maths are just that - math

they foget the wonderful human element we dont know what the mafia will do and by not voting everyone is anonymous - we need the votes to trace actions to work out who is what - the only other option is to rely on kage to get lucky and play the odds - oh and btw kage i think you SHOULD post last nights investigation while they are doomed to die it is one more confirmed inocent for those of us who cant investigate people

sorry sas will take some convincing to get me to unvote

Sir Moody, I am proud to say I was retaliation voted by someone like you. :bow: :2thumbsup:

[Kagemusha]

Sorry Moody but im not telling who i investigated. So are you into bold mafia tactics my friend? To me Sasaki`s logig is pretty solid one. Maybe we should just lynch you?Since it seems that you are not willing to help the town,but want one townie dead by lynching?

[Don Corleone]

I can't believe I'm being held up as mafia, again! I didn't 'go after' Kagemusha. I simply have pointed out that thus far, he has not offered a single lick of evidence for being the detective. Let's think about this for a second, shall we?

-Kagemusha decides to do an early reveal, when under no compulsion to do so.

-He names Proletariat, who hadn't said boo the entire game up until then.

-He then proceeds to name an innocent who coincidentally gets killed immediately after the investegation. EVERY TIME!!!

And you people don't see anything bizarre in this course of events? Talk about marching to the tune of the pied piper. :clown: :clown: :clown:

Tell you what... if you're all so convinced Kagemusha IS the detective, and I'm the most suspicious person up until now, why hasn't he investegated me? He's had 4 rounds to do it!!!

As for me being more active in this game than Hanky's, I thought I had explained that. I missed the first 4 days of Hanky's because I was away for Thanksgiving. I never really got a chance to understand what was going on. In this one, I was starting from ground zero with the rest of you.

Now, before anybody votes for anybody, I want to hear Kagemusha come up with another incredible 'coincidence', namely that he investegated Husar this round.... :inquisitive: I mean, that's pretty much his MO right? He always 'investegates' the guy he really actually gunned down? I think our real detective got killed before he could reveal.

[Kagemusha]

Sorry Don my friend,but would assasination attempt from Mafia qualify as proof?

[Sir Moody]

hey lynch me if you want - i know im innocent and ill go down with a clean "virtual" Conscience

i dont want to sit here and play the numbers its a gamble i want to activly hound the mafia, to try to catch them at their game if we win because we got lucky how is that a win? its no different from winning the lottery or play the slots - this game is poker and i want to cal ltheir bluff

[Don Corleone]

No, it wouldn't, Kagemusha, mi amigo. You have everyone in the town except for me convinced you're the detective, even the doctor. It's no wonder they protected you, which frankly, I can see you laughing your fool head off. For all we know, there was only one killing ordered. You and your cohort don't have to order two. All Csar said was that the Doctor protected you, not that you were actually targeted by the mafia.

If you really are the detective, why haven't you investegated me yet? Most of the town is convinced I'm mafia, wouldn't I be a natural suspect for you to target? Nope, you want me alive, which is why you haven't joined the bandwagon against me. You need a patsy, and I'm it.

Edit: erh, laughing your fool head off was a figure of speech. No slight whatsoever intended, Kagemusha. You've played this one beautifully. :bow:

[Reenk Roink]

Sorry Don my friend,but would assasination attempt from Mafia qualify as proof?

Kage investigating those who die is odd, but there was something about Kage that made me doubt he was lying, and now the fact that he was attacked seals the deal. You are our hope Kage. :yes:

[Sir Moody]

oh and dons post is seriously making me want to change my vote to him but it stands for now

[Don Corleone]

oh and dons post is seriously making me want to change my vote to him but it stands for now

All I have to say about that is this.... You all have been saying that any hint of suspicion towards kagemusha not being the detective makes me look very suspicious for several rounds now. If I were really mafia, wouldn't I have stopped by now?

[Sir Moody]

Nope, you want me alive, which is why you haven't joined the bandwagon against me. You need a patsy, and I'm it.

oh jeez - bandwagon? im the only one who voted and i voted disco cause he was acting odd but this just threw you into the "knee jerk" defence and the fact you are defending without really reading back has my hackles up

change of plans

unvote
Vote Don C

which leaves disco (or more likely me the way im going) to be investigated by Kage

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok, Reenk, if moody won't unvote, why don't you vote Don to tie it?

[Reenk Roink]

Ok, Reenk, if moody won't unvote, why don't you vote Don to tie it?

What is going on here? :inquisitive:

I'm just going to spend more time on Mafia V...

[Don Corleone]

Sasaki, Seamus, Disco and you have all voiced suspicions against me. Have you all voted against me? No. So was the term bandwagon a bit excessive? Perhaps.

But criminy Sir Moody, ask yourself 2 questions:

1) If I WAS mafia, why would I keep going on and on about Kagemusha after you've all told me that my suspicions about him make me look guilty?

2) WHY hasn't Kagemusha investegated me? For several rounds, my name has been getting tossed around. Interesting, no?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

...what makes you think Kage hasn't investigated you :p

hehe

This little "no voting this round" was a little evil I guess...

[Don Corleone]

Well if he DID investegate me and he's going to let me get lynched, just for not believing in him, well, my goose is cooked anyway. Ask yourself what sort of detective (and I find it almost impossible to consider the possiblity at this point) would put a personal vendetta over the town's well-being?

[Sir Moody]

we dont know who he investigated last night and he wont tell us so...

and by attacking the detective you set yourself up with an alibi - who owuld believe a mafia would be stupid enough to keep attacking the detective even after the mafia tried to kill him....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:confused:

What does that mean?

@don

[Don Corleone]

And why exactly won't Kagemusha release any more investegations? He's miffed that I suspect him? Fine. Lynch my ass, then make him tell you not only tomorrow's investegation, but the one he's holding back on today. I guarantee you I'll be one of the two, his next victim will be the other.

[Sir Moody]

anyway im off to bed now so post your thoughts everyone and vote!!

[Csargo]

Vote: The evil Donut

[Don Corleone]

:confused:

What does that mean?

@don

You asked why I thought he hadn't investegated me.

If he had investegated me, wouldn't he have announced that I was Prole's partner and the game would be over (an overwhelming townspeople victory coming so early?)

Or, he would have announced my innocence (Duh), which would have allowed us to rule out one alive townsperson, something we haven't had the entire damn game.

But no, if he DID investegate me, he's sitting quiet on it. Why would he do that? It hurts the town, and it makes no sense unless it's a personal vendetta against me for not believing that he really was the detective. And if he really IS the detective, and is willing to do that, there's really not much I can do to stay alive. Hell, he could declare me guilty, then tell you all afterwards he just had it in for me. :devil:

It makes no sense he wouldn't investegate me if he really was the detective. And it makes no sense he wouldn't tell the rest of you what he found, either way. Hmm...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

duh, don't you get what I've been saying?

He DID investigate you and you ARE guilty. Sir moody was innocent.

We just thought it would be a funny prank to string you a long a little bit.

[Sigurd]

Normally I wouldn't even bother to address Sasaki's remarks, but this case is obviously different.

The writing styles are different from mine, and I got the idea to examine them more closely from you. Look at one of the reasons you gave to lynch me:



Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
He is also capable of being the Wanax writer, and now that I think of it the write up for my kill is very much like him.



...

Csar would know this better than anyone... :wink:

Now, to the rest of the reasonable villagers. I know Kommodus is pretty accurate in his system, and therefore, I understand if you want to lynch me. I would do the same thing in your position.

So, if you are not convinced by me, make sure you lynch me this round.

I guess the last Mafioso has been caught giving a clue... like he did in ‘Gotta have more mafia’.
I got you Reeinkster... this is for killing me off in two games simultaneously.

If we all vote for Reeink Roink the game will be over tonight. :2thumbsup:

[Don Corleone]

duh, don't you get what I've been saying?

He DID investigate you and you ARE guilty. Sir moody was innocent.

We just thought it would be a funny prank to string you a long a little bit.

That's a pretty neat trick, since I'm innocent. Well, there you go folks. Lynch me and when the game's not over, you'll realize that you have not 1 but 2 mafia in your midst.

Vote: Don Corleone Sasaki said it's so, so it must be. I can't wait for this game to be over and take a break.

[Reenk Roink]

I guess the last Mafioso has been caught giving a clue... like he did in ‘Gotta have more mafia’.
I got you Reeinkster... this is for killing me off in two games simultaneously.

If we all vote for Reeink Roink the game will be over tonight. :2thumbsup:

Interesting theory. :rolleyes: However, that's not what I meant when I invoked Csar (and Csar knows exactly what I meant :wink:). Also, I didn't kill you.

But, this game has definitely been ignored by me in lieu of the first one so:

Vote: Reenk Roink

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Arrg, this was all going so well till people started voting. Why don't you all just vote for Xiahou instead of yourselves.

And no Kage doesn't have a guilty result on Don.

[Don Corleone]

That's mighty nice of you Sasaki, but you really don't have to lie for me. I can't believe Kagemusha REALLY WAS the detective. Damn, damn, damn. When he revealed and named Prole as my partner, I thought I had him. I knew you guys wouldn't believe he was lying about being the detective, so going after him every round gave me perfect cover. I was convinced JimBob was the detective. I could kill SilverRusher for real for being such a lame mafia partner....

Good job, guys. :surrender:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hehe, Don you are a wacky dude.

[Don Corleone]

Hehe, Don you are a wacky dude.

Hey, when you decided to lie and tell everyone Kagemusha had investegated me and found me guilty, you sealed my fate. The other 6 players will never believe I'm innocent now. If I don't get lynched this round, I will next. Just wanted you to see that you're not the only one that can screw somebody by lying in your posts, amigo. :yes:

And to the aforementioned six, at this stage, I'm sure you have a LOT of suspicion about me. Go ahead and lynch me. It's better for the town to get rid of me now then always be doubting what I'm saying. What's more, when you see that the game isn't over, you'll realize Sasaki and Kagemusha have been playing you all along.

For the good of the town,

Vote: Don Corleone

[Sigurd]

That's mighty nice of you Sasaki, but you really don't have to lie for me. I can't believe Kagemusha REALLY WAS the detective. Damn, damn, damn. When he revealed and named Prole as my partner, I thought I had him. I knew you guys wouldn't believe he was lying about being the detective, so going after him every round gave me perfect cover. I was convinced JimBob was the detective. I could kill SilverRusher for real for being such a lame mafia partner....

Good job, guys. :surrender:
:laugh4: :laugh4:
Good one...
Now vote: Reeink Roink

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hey, when you decided to lie and tell everyone Kagemusha had investegated me and found me guilty, you sealed my fate. The other 6 players will never believe I'm innocent now. If I don't get lynched this round, I will next. Just wanted you to see that you're not the only one that screw somebody by lying in your posts, amigo. :yes:

And to the aforementioned six, at this stage, I'm sure you have a LOT of suspicion about me. Go ahead and lynch me. It's better for the town to get rid of me now then always be doubting what I'm saying. What's more, when you see that the game isn't over, you'll realize Sasaki and Kagemusha have been playing you all along.

For the good of the town,

Vote: Don Corleone

Nono Don, I think you're innocent. Don't vote for yourself, that's not cool.

And Reenk, voting for yourself isn't cool either.

[Don Corleone]

The first time I did it was because I was ticked off. But honestly, unless somebody really KNOWS who a mafia is (and I'd like to hear from Sigurd more on the connection to Reenk), then I should get lynched. Suspect townspeole are bad to have around. I'll be a distraction and the rest of the town will always be thinking I must be guilty and won't focus on the real killers. Thanks for that, by the way.

[Reenk Roink]

And Reenk, voting for yourself isn't cool either.

To be honest, I'm really spent on Mafia by now. GH's game gave me my fill plus some. :laugh4:

Sigurd possesses what we call "partial intelligence" and those with that are the most firmly convinced they are right. Let him make his case and let me be lynched. I got finals anyway... :shrug:

Vote: Reenk Roink

[Don Corleone]

Okay, I think Reenk is smart enough to understand that the only way to deflect a good accusation when you're mafia is to pretend to take one for the team. I don't know why Sigurd seems to suspect him, but Reenk seems to be falling on his sword a bit early. Hello, Sigurd, do you KNOW, or do you suspect Reenk? What is your evidence?

For the record, there's no way the town can possibly know I'm not doing what I'm accusing Reenk of, hence I haven't changed my vote. I'd recommend lynching me this round, Reenk the next then Kagemusha the 3rd. Trust me, you'll win in that 3rd vote if you do this.

[Sigurd]

Sigurd possesses what we call "partial intelligence" and those with that are the most firmly convinced they are right.
Throwing insults are we? Well that makes you the more guilty. Vindictive as you are... :no:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Don, we only have 2 rounds. And why do you suspect Reenk exactly?

Kage has been proven innocent btw. Mafia can't kill eachother or attempt to.

[Reenk Roink]

Throwing insults are we? Well that makes you the more guilty. Vindictive as you are... :no:

Sig, that wasn't an insult. :no:

I meant you only know a part of the situation. That partial knowledge (about that subject) affected how you interpreted that statement on Csar.

[Sigurd]

Hello, Sigurd, do you KNOW, or do you suspect Reenk? What is your evidence?

I gave you my piece of evidence.. I can't believe no-one else picked up on it. Reeink has put clues like this into his post before.

He basically tells us that Csar knows about him not writing long kill descriptions. Which is exactely what I would have done to make the two games different enough to avoid suspicion in both games.
Now who here would have thought of the possibility?

Wait.. I can just imagine he coming up with claiming the role of the doctor now... :wall:

[Reenk Roink]

Wait.. I can just imagine he coming up with claiming the role of the doctor now... :wall:

Just a townie.

Sig, why aren't you answering my posts?

1) Seamus killed you in Mafia V.
2) I didn't insult you. You really don't have all the info to make your claim. That's all I wanted to point out.

[Don Corleone]

Don, we only have 2 rounds. And why do you suspect Reenk exactly?

Kage has been proven innocent btw. Mafia can't kill eachother or attempt to.

We know that the doctor protected Kagemusha last round. We don't know that Kagemusha was actually targeted. As I said, couldn't Kagemusha and his parter (assuming I'm correct), have ordered only one hit, guessing correctly (and obviously) that Kagemusha would be protected by the doctor?

As for Reenk, the only reason he has to vote for himself is Sigurd's accusation, which frankly wasn't particularly offensive. Sigurd just suggested that he noticed a parallel in kill description lengths (and thank you for the repeat Sigurd, I just wanted to make certain I hadn't missed anything). That's hardly damning evidence. But voting for yourself, in the face of such an easy accusation to answer... perfect cover.

I did it because suspicious townspeople are bad for the town. Suspicious townspeople are a distraction that allows the real mafia to hide. But until Reenk jumped out on a limb and voted for himself, he was far less suspicious than i am.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But Don, the mafia aren't allowed to target eachother. It's against the rules.

[Don Corleone]

Maybe we need to explicitly state what we think we're communicating here.

This is my 'theory'

Kagemusha (and possible 2nd mafia) think about who is the most likely doctor protection. Kagemusha himself, obviously. Knowing that he will be protected, he orders one hit in his PM to Csar. The doctor PMs in, protecting Kagemusha. So, Csar reports that that Kagemusha was protected by the doctor. NOTE that Csar never explicitly stated that Kagemusha was targeted by mafia, only that Kagemusha was protected by the doctor this past round. As it turns out, protected from nothing, because as you rightly point out, he can't target himself or have his cohort do it. But Csar didn't ever say there was an attempt on Kagemusha, only that Kagemusha was protected this past round.

Now, am I missing something? Perhaps you coudl explicitly state where I'm wrong with the above. I'm going to go check Csar's exact words...

[Sigurd]

Just a townie.

Sig, why aren't you answering my posts?

1) Seamus killed you in Mafia V.
2) I didn't insult you. You really don't have all the info to make your claim. That's all I wanted to point out.

Alright, I see now what you meant...
I have to sleep on it... but my gut is screaming that you are guilty.

it is 3 am here and I bid you all good night

[Reenk Roink]

Alright, I see now what you meant...
I have to sleep on it... but my gut is screaming that you are guilty.

it is 3 am here and I bit you all good night

Forget the game, just be sure that I didn't insult you. :no: :bow: :shakehands:

I've praised your brilliant play before Sig, so don't think that; you'd make Reenk very sad. :disappointed:

[Don Corleone]

Damn, just as I suspected. Csar's statement can be read either way...


P.S.-Just to make this clear Kage was saved by the Doctor.

Csar, by 'saved' do you mean that Kage was targeted by the mafia and protected, or does your statement only mean (as I've theorized) that Kagemusha was protected and you're not making any actual statement on an attack on Kagemusha?

[Don Corleone]

If I'm reading this wrong, and Kage really was targeted by the mafia:

1) I apologize Kagemusha, 1000%
2) I must really look guilty to everyone else.
3) I will change my vote to an abstain and let the detective do his work.

:bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I forget the quote, but Csar is using GH's rules, and GH specifically said the mafia weren't allowed to even target each other.

[Don Corleone]

I forget the quote, but Csar is using GH's rules, and GH specifically said the mafia weren't allowed to even target each other.

Okay, but Kagemusha wouldn't have to target himself and thus, he wouldn't break any rules. If my initial read was correct, Kagemusha was protected by the doctor from....NOTHING. It all depends on what Csar's answer to my question about 'saved' was.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Don:

I had precisely that idea in M5. I wanted to stage a fake kill attempt on the Reenk and have him "saved" by a non-existent doctor [doing the same with a real kill knowing that you'd convinced the doc to protect you is equivalent]. It would be a perfect way to seem "innocent."

Hankerchief said "no" very politely. Mafia apparently cannot "fake" a murder or failed murder, and cannot target one another unless there are multiple families.

Until the doctor save, I was every bit as skeptical of Hanky as were you.

While you were my prime suspect until I saw the posts above, you should note that I was only thinking you mafia about 60-40. You can make a case against almost anybody -- and now its a race.

[Reenk Roink]

Okay, but Kagemusha wouldn't have to target himself and thus, he wouldn't break any rules. If my initial read was correct, Kagemusha was protected by the doctor from....NOTHING. It all depends on what Csar's answer to my question about 'saved' was.


So a mafioso went to Kagemushas house and kicked open the door. Kagemusha was spying on people with a telescope. The mafioso ran and tackled Kagemusha and tied him to the ground. Then they got his magnafying glass and put it near the window, focused on his head! Luckily the Doctor showed up in time to save Kage from a horrible fate.

The Mafia are clearly doing the acts as shown by the verbs. Kage is innocent.

[Don Corleone]

Don:

I had precisely that idea in M5. I wanted to stage a fake kill attempt on the Reenk and have him "saved" by a non-existent doctor [doing the same with a real kill knowing that you'd convinced the doc to protect you is equivalent]. It would be a perfect way to seem "innocent."

Hankerchief said "no" very politely. Mafia apparently cannot "fake" a murder or failed murder, and cannot target one another unless there are multiple families.

Until the doctor save, I was every bit as skeptical of Hanky as were you.

While you were my prime suspect until I saw the posts above, you should note that I was only thinking you mafia about 60-40. You can make a case against almost anybody -- and now its a race.

No, it's not. We the town have won. The doctor keeps protecting Kagemusha and he keeps investegating. The remaining mafia's odds are WAY worse than ours. They have to find the doctor, then kill Kagemusha, all without knowing who the innocents that have been PM'd are. Hell, we may get really lucky and Kagemusha will figure out who the doctor is and he can tell us if the mafia actually find them. We're in great shape.

Folks, I apologize for being so incredibly obtuse. I should have read Csar's kill descriptions more closely. He wouldn't fake an assasination attempt on Kagemusha if my earlier scenario was correct, he'd just say that the doctor protected Kagemusha (and maybe just make no mention).

In light of all of this:

:bow: Kagemusha, my friend. You really were the detective.

and

Unvote: Don Corleone
Vote: Abstain. Sasaki is right... there's only one mafia left. If you're not mafia and you vote for somebody, you're doing their work for them.

I guess in light of all this, Sasaki's fake investegation on me was meant as humor. :oops: If this doesn't teach me to read every word of the gamemaster's posts, nothing will.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It was meant to show your innocence by the nature of your response, and it hase.

Also, you do go deliciously haywire.

I agree we've got this game pretty much in the bag.

[Don Corleone]

Since Kagemusha has been proven innocent, if the doctor hasn't already done so, they should PM him, identifying themself.

[Don Corleone]

As for going haywire, you gotta look at it from my perspective. For some reason, I'm always on the short list in any game I play, and in this one, I've been suspect #1. Until the attempt on Kagemusha, we had no real reason to believe him, other then 'he said so'. And as I was oblivious to the actual attempt on Kagemusha, your fake investegation pretty much had me heading to the gallows.

Let me make it up to the town and do the perfunctory vote count, as it currently stands. I think Sir Moody has voted for me and Reenk has voted for himself. Guys, if you're still awake, don't do that. If you're not mafia, you're helping them out. If you are, you're painting a big bullseye on yourself, as you'll be hiding in a field of two.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I guess that's what it looked like from your perspective. I mentioned your name in passing because I thought you overreacted to an accusation. You overreacted to that accusation and I began to think you were mafia so pulled the little "fake investigation" trick. But you reached the level of reaction beyond any mafioso so I think you're innocent.

I agree Reenk and Moody should unvote, but they have to do it together otherwise it's no good. Perhaps if they tie, the town can still abstain in the showdown.

[Reenk Roink]

I won't unvote until Sir Moody does.

[Don Corleone]

Actually, Sigurd still has a vote in for Reenk, so there's no tie. And of course, Csar has a vote in for you, Sasaki (well, your altar ego anyway) but I don't think his votes count, and you're already dead.

Actually, it's no big deal if they change their votes or not. If there's three votes left, Kagemusha investegates the two living voters. If there's two, he only has to vote for whomever didn't get lynched. If there's one, hell, he doesn't even have to investegate at that point....

current tally:

Sigurd voted for Reenk.
Reenk voted for Reenk.
Sir Moody voted for Don Corleone.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sigurd's dead ~:)

[Don Corleone]

I won't unvote until Sir Moody does.

Doesn't matter. If Sir Moody doesn't change his vote, he's announcing to everyone who he really is and we win. If he does, it just slows things down. Keeping your vote in place just keeps the field of possible mafia limited to two: you and Sir Moody.

[Reenk Roink]

Unvote: Reenk Roink*

*Csar better not end voting after this...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think he's in bed.

Sir Moody you better come back online!

[Don Corleone]

Well, it's 3:20AM his time. I'm sure, even if he is mafia, he'll be changing his vote when he wakes up (and he most likely isn't). Whether he is or he isn't, voting just doesn't make sense for him. Even if I get lynched, big deal. We've won.

[Csargo]

Actually, Sigurd still has a vote in for Reenk, so there's no tie. And of course, Csar has a vote in for you, Sasaki (well, your altar ego anyway) but I don't think his votes count, and you're already dead.

Actually, it's no big deal if they change their votes or not. If there's three votes left, Kagemusha investegates the two living voters. If there's two, he only has to vote for whomever didn't get lynched. If there's one, hell, he doesn't even have to investegate at that point....

current tally:

Sigurd voted for Reenk.
Reenk voted for Reenk.
Sir Moody voted for Don Corleone.

Think again my friend. I am the host and if I wanted I could bring The Evil Donut back to life and kill him again. But I'll be nice and leave the Donut alone.:beam:

[JimBob]

@Don, I think it's your name, it sorta reeks of mafia :laugh4:

Anyway, on matters of life and death.

Disco
Don
Phil
Reenk
Moody
Xiahou
Kage

Sasaki's plan is working. We know that whoever Kage investigated is innocent or he would have ended the game. So, after the next round of kills we will have one of two scenario's either 1) Kage finds the mafioso and they get lynched. Or 2) Kage finds another innocent. Then we have 3/5 proven innocents. Town 1 Mafia 0

Bravo Sasaki Bravo

[discovery1]

Ok,

Abstain

I go back to making noise on the trumpet. Hep, the next hour of it will be dedicated to you.

[Xiahou]

Well, Im sorta skeptical of this abstain strategy- but I'll play ball:

vote: abstain

[Sir Moody]

wow i go to bed at 1am and within 2 hours theres almost 2 pages of talk - see voting spurred more conversation than just abstaining - while don hasnt convinced me hes not mafia he has convinced me hes crazy :laugh4: - i almost expected him to claim kage was the second jfk gunman :inquisitive: talk about conspiracies

Unvote
Vote Abstain

this tactic of mine to spurr on talk has probably backfired tho as kage will waste his investigation on me... and i have a horrble feeling ive painted a target on my backside and the mafia will be willing to take it...

anyway you should be looking at the people who didnt get invovled in the 3way rant between me don and sas - the ones trying to blend into the background by posting little at all

[Peasant Phill]

2/5 chance that I'll be killed tonight as the doctor will certainly protect Kage. Hmm I don't like it, but I understand and support the logic behind the decision made.

vote abstain

[Peasant Phill]

double post, sorry

[Peasant Phill]

triple post, may God forgive me

[Peasant Phill]

damn you slow internet conection, damn you to hell

[Kagemusha]

I have receaved information that sets Reenk Roink in very bad light. Im positive about he being guilty Vote Reenk Roink.:whip:

[Peasant Phill]

Vote Reenk Roink

[Reenk Roink]

Vote Reenk Roink

It's too scary how quick you jumped on that...

Again, you people are unaware of all the intel that is out there.

Anyway, I leave it to Kage to affirm or withdraw his vote, but if I'm killed, villagers, you have yourself a person of interest.

[Sir Moody]

ok first im harrased to not vote and now kage is voting - move over don im starting to believe the conspiracy....

kage can you enlighten us mere villagers a touch why the sudden push for a vote?


oh and phil? soooooo suspicous

[Sir Moody]

oh and

unvote
Vote Peasant Phill

lets equal it up guys to a draw until kage explains himself

[Kagemusha]

Lets just say that Reenk played too ambitious game as mafia and contacted me in wrong time. I will show you guys all the evidence you need after we have lynched him and won the game.

[Reenk Roink]

Lets just say that Reenk played too ambitious game as mafia and contacted me in wrong time. I will show you guys all the evidence you need after we have lynched him and won the game.

When you say "wrong time", make sure you mean after Sigurd contacted you. Though I did contact Sasaki before Sigurd played his game. :rolleyes:

Ah, well, I know I can survive, but why try when the detective won't get along?

[Kagemusha]

You can continue digging your grave as long as you like my friend. Im sorry to say that discussions between you and Sigurd werent forwarded to me.:book:

[Don Corleone]

Kagemusha,
If it's your point that Reenk sent you a PM claiming to be the doctor, that's what my PM was about (and your inbox is still full). You're going to receive 2 claims from people claiming to be the doctor. Only one is legit. But you cannot know just by the order received which one is legit. You have to pick one of the two to investegate tonight. If you picked the wrong one, we lose 2 townspeople tonight, yes, but we also have 100% certainty who the real mafia is.

The right course of action is still to abstain.

[Reenk Roink]

You can continue digging your grave as long as you like my friend. Im sorry to say that discussions between you and Sigurd werent forwarded to me.:book:

So Kage, did you investigate me and find me guilty? Is that what you are saying?

[Kagemusha]

No.I found out who the real doctor is with my last investigation. Im not telling his name untill i see that we have won this game by lynching Reenk Roink.:smash:

[Reenk Roink]

No.I found out who the real doctor is with my last investigation. Im not telling his name untill i see that we have won this game by lynching Reenk Roink.:smash:

So, a detective investigation says that someone is a doctor, instead of innocent/guilty...

Hmm... This is what Sigurd told you to say, I'm positive.

His PM to me earlier basically gave that away... :wink:

[Don Corleone]

Very well.


Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Reenk Roink

[Reenk Roink]

I've already sent a PM to Csar, seeing if investigations can even actually do what Kage claims.

[Kagemusha]

Reenk you can tremble in the hook all you want. You destroyed yourself with your fake reveal being Doctor. Now i think we should decide how to lynch him.Hang him,shoot him,drown him or i would personally prefer burning him on the stake.:whip:

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk you can tremble in the hook all you want. You destroyed yourself with your fake reveal being Doctor. Now i think we should decide how to lynch him.Hang him,shoot him,drown him or i would personally prefer burning him on the stake.:whip:

Just like Sigurd, you avoid my post with the argument and simply reaffirm your point.

We'll see Kage... :wink:

[Don Corleone]

Reenk, it's not Kagemusha you need to worry about. How do you answer that chart and the timeline that Siguard constructed? He PM'd me a mountain of evidence against you, and frankly, I don't see HOW it could be wrong.

[Sir Moody]

would someone like to share this "mountain" with the rest of us

[Reenk Roink]

I have many PM's with Sigurd with me as well Don:

How used the Csar thing which he knew was completely irrelevant.

How he basically told Kage what to say "when I would PM him".

How he really wasn't even insulted by me: "Hi there Reeink...I assure you that I have plenty of thick skin" when I sent him my apology, unrelated to the game.

Yup, I know what Sigurd's been up to... :wink:

[Kagemusha]

Reenk you are just giving Sigurd a laugh of his life with your theories,becouse i havent talked with Sigurd in private during the game much at all since the couple very first rounds.:yes:

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk you are just giving Sigurd a laugh of his life with your theories,becouse i havent talked with Sigurd in private during the game much at all since the couple very first rounds.:yes:

That's not what Sigurd tells me. Or you... :wink:

In fact, what you said is what Sigurd told you to say to me... :wink:

From Sasaki:


"Reenk you are just giving Sigurd a laugh of his life with your theories,becouse i havent talked with Sigurd in private during the game much at all since the couple very first rounds."

Why is Kage lying about this? I was watching "Who's online" and I saw him pm'ing Sigurd. I really don't know what's what now.

Sasaki

So you have been caught in a lie Kage. :wink:

Now don't worry, I know you are the detective, but you have been manipulated in such a way that is making you detrimental to the town's cause.

[Sir Moody]

well ive seen the evidence now and im convinced - sorry reenk but im going to have to

Unvote
Vote Reenk Roink

feel free to retaliate its only fair :2thumbsup:

[Kagemusha]

That's not what Sigurd tells me. Or you... :wink:

In fact, what you said is what Sigurd told you to say to me... :wink:

From Sasaki:



So you have been caught in a lie Kage. :wink:

Now don't worry, I know you are the detective, but you have been manipulated in such a way that is making you detrimental to the town's cause.

Lol. You are funny guy Reenk.:laugh4: Blame Sigurd, blame Sasaki, but the fact is that the game is over for you becouse of your own mistake as a mafioso.:yes:

[Reenk Roink]

Well, I'm glad to see Sigurd and Kage have the brains to secretly PM everyone the case against me and not show it to me, knowing I have the knowledge (and their PM's to refute the charges.

Of course, Kage and Sig will also go silent, becuase they have been caught in a:

BIG FAT RED LIE!!!111one!1uno1!exclamationpoint

[Reenk Roink]

Lol. You are funny guy Reenk.:laugh4: Blame Sigurd, blame Sasaki, but the fact is that the game is over for you becouse of your own mistake as a mafioso.:yes:

Blame Sasaki?

He's the one that caught you... :laugh4:

[Kagemusha]

I appreciate your efforts to fight your Mafia cause to the end. But sometimes its futile Reenk. The evidence against you is overwhelming. You are not the Doctor and you tryed to fool me that you are, like i sayd via PM to you,nice strategy but you was unlycky becouse i had found the real Doctor before your little stunt. Why dont you be a good sport and keep your last Mafia speak where you confess and then we can execute you after.~:)

[Reenk Roink]

I appreciate your efforts to fight your Mafia cause to the end. But sometimes its futile Reenk. The evidence against you is overwhelming. You are not the Doctor and you tryed to fool me that you are, like i sayd via PM to you,nice strategy but you was unlycky becouse i had found the real Doctor before your little stunt. Why dont you be a good sport and keep your last Mafia speak where you confess and then we can execute you after.~:)

So let me get this straight: Again, you have not addressed any of my arguments, but rather, once again, reaffirmed your case. Kage, it does not matter that I am about to be lynched, what matters is truth. Why are you and Sigurd not addressing my arguments? Why are you and Sigurd not showing me the case against me so that I may refute it? Why are you and Sigurd in PM correspondence? Why did you lie about it? I have already sent two PM’s to Csar by the way. One to confirm that you actually are able to get the doctor role in an investigation. You’ll forgive me for being suspicious of you, as that is a very odd deviance from “guilty” or “innocent” that a detective usually gets, and the fact that you did not tell Sasaki or anyone that you found out who the doctor was (not his name, just the fact that you did find him) until after I revealed. The other is to take me out of the game, as I don’t want to play it and be Sigurd’s pawn. So keep pushing Kage, you got my lynch or death either way, but at least answer the questions. You are extremely suspicious, and I have no idea that you got so thoroughly manipulated and brainwashed.

[Husar]

Hmm, anyone ever wondered why dead people tend to be quiet?
It may be because they are excluded from those PMs with all the evidence...you are clearly wasting brainwork hours with that.:sweatdrop:

[Sigurd]

So let me get this straight: Again, you have not addressed any of my arguments, but rather, once again, reaffirmed your case. Kage, it does not matter that I am about to be lynched, what matters is truth. Why are you and Sigurd not addressing my arguments? Why are you and Sigurd not showing me the case against me so that I may refute it? Why are you and Sigurd in PM correspondence? Why did you lie about it? I have already sent two PM’s to Csar by the way. One to confirm that you actually are able to get the doctor role in an investigation. You’ll forgive me for being suspicious of you, as that is a very odd deviance from “guilty” or “innocent” that a detective usually gets, and the fact that you did not tell Sasaki or anyone that you found out who the doctor was (not his name, just the fact that you did find him) until after I revealed. The other is to take me out of the game, as I don’t want to play it and be Sigurd’s pawn. So keep pushing Kage, you got my lynch or death either way, but at least answer the questions. You are extremely suspicious, and I have no idea that you got so thoroughly manipulated and brainwashed.

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

It was all a ruse my friend to see how you would react. And the fact that you pm'ed Sasaki telling him you were the doctor when we allready knew who he was, condems you...

[Kagemusha]

So let me get this straight: Again, you have not addressed any of my arguments, but rather, once again, reaffirmed your case. Kage, it does not matter that I am about to be lynched, what matters is truth. Why are you and Sigurd not addressing my arguments? Why are you and Sigurd not showing me the case against me so that I may refute it? Why are you and Sigurd in PM correspondence? Why did you lie about it? I have already sent two PM’s to Csar by the way. One to confirm that you actually are able to get the doctor role in an investigation. You’ll forgive me for being suspicious of you, as that is a very odd deviance from “guilty” or “innocent” that a detective usually gets, and the fact that you did not tell Sasaki or anyone that you found out who the doctor was (not his name, just the fact that you did find him) until after I revealed. The other is to take me out of the game, as I don’t want to play it and be Sigurd’s pawn. So keep pushing Kage, you got my lynch or death either way, but at least answer the questions. You are extremely suspicious, and I have no idea that you got so thoroughly manipulated and brainwashed.

The point is that we dont have to address any of your points anymore.We have the evidence that you are guilty which you confirmed with your own words,period.:smash:

[Reenk Roink]

The point is that we dont have to address any of your points anymore.

As you have actually never addressed any of my points, you are essentially saying that I am guilty without any proof or argument.


We have the evidence that you are guilty which you confirmed with your own words,period.:smash:

Can you show me? The fact that you have not shown me any proof or argument or your conclusion is pretty telling.

You have an assertion, unbacked by proof or argument. That's it for now...

[Kagemusha]

Unbacked by proof or argument to you.

[Csargo]

Voting Over.

[Csargo]

Reenk Roink was found dead slumped up against a toilet. It seemed that he had commited suicide by swirly. Since he was the person with the most votes then there will be no on executed today.

Still Alive:
Sir Moody-RR

Dutch_Guy-

Peasant Phill-RR

Kagemusha-RR

Discovery1-

Don Corleone-RR

Xiahou-


Reenk Roink said he would like to commit suicide since he wouldn't have much extra time for Mafia games.

PM's please.

[Kagemusha]

Vote Csar

[Xiahou]

Wow... look what I missed... :inquisitive:

[Sir Moody]

am i the only one who thinks weve lost this? it looks like we just bandwagoned reenk for no reason...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I was actually a mafioso along with Kage. Why do you think Csar never clarified the "mafia can't kill eachother" rule? He didn't want to give us away.

We kill 2 more tonight and it's game over cuz you guys won't be able to lynch us.

GG ~D

[Kagemusha]

Yep.Its a sad occasion that you guys got owned so completely,but i can assure you guys that Sasaki and i have had tons of fun.I think this is the most tasty Mafia victory for me so far.:croc:

[Reenk Roink]

Hah! You guys happy?

By the way Sasaki, I know you were trying to play me from the start, and were in cahoots with Kage and Sigurd. I just put up with it because I needed my info.

I can guess that the argument against me is something like this:

1) Reenk claimed to be the doctor.
2) Kage already knows who the doctor is.

C) Reenk is guilty.

Stretching the syllogism is what I say. True, I lied to Sasaki about being doctor, because I was suspicious of Kage. Too “coincidental”. Of course, Csar has got back to me, and now I know he is, but I had to be sure.

But you can only hold me as suspicious for lying.

I was going to come clean to Sasaki and Sigurd, but then they started arguing full throttle to lynch me. Too bad I had already asked to commit suicide last night. :laugh4:

You guys really thought me Mafia cause of lying about doctor and the Csar thing (which you really don’t have all the knowledge about Sig)? :laugh4:

Too bad.

Now you punks have 7. :grin:

I could have helped, but now I’m just gonna hurt ya...

To the Mafia:

The doctor is most likely not:

Sir Moody
Xiahou
discovery1
Don Corleone

So look at the other two and I’m taking a pretty strong guess that it’s Peasant Phill. Take him out and another townie. Kage will be yours after that, just don’t get investigated. Good luck sir, I actually support you now. :bow:

Show these punks who’s boss, and never mess with the Reenkmeister! :stare:

If you need any help or info, PM me. I gleamed a bit of info...

[Don Corleone]

Okay, Kagemusha, would you care to explain why the game hasn't ended yet?

As for bandwagoning against Reenk, it wasn't a bandwagon effort.

-Kagemusha had to be the detective. Csar said "Kagemusha was saved by the doctor". Saved means he was in danger of dying. He was only in danger of dying if he really was targeted. That means he couldn't have been mafia. If he wasn't mafia, why on earth would he be helping them?

-So, if Kagemusha IS the detective, then it's a simple process of elimination for him to keep investegating people. Now, Reenk may not have been mafia, as I believe Kagemusha's suspicion was based on the PM, after he got a result telling him who the doctor actually was.

-Let's say Reenk just misplayed his hand. He wasn't really mafia, but decided to pretend to be the doctor. We lynched him due to very suspicious behavior.

-Kagemusha's going to investegate somebody else tonight. He'll get a result. We have 7 players. We lose 2 so we're down to 5. One of whom may actually be the mafia (if it wasn't Reenk).

The only question I have in all of this is how Kagemusha explains that the game isn't over when he predicted it would be. Kagemusha?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Reenk was mafia ~:handball:

[Kagemusha]

The reason Don is thar becouse in this game Mafia could target other mafiosi.I targeted myself last night and the Doctor saved me.~D

[Don Corleone]

OOOHHHH. I see it all so clearly now. The other twist is that there was really 5 mafia all along. Makes perfect sense.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@Reenk: I thought you'd figure it out when people started voting you. It was amusing to pretend it was because of Sigurd's "charts and timelines" though. He could hardly have been pm'ing them since he wasn't online :laugh4:

I think your doctor claim strategy was a bit too bold. But I guess you didn't know Kage would be told if he investigated the doctor, neither did I.

[Kagemusha]

OOOHHHH. I see it all so clearly now. The other twist is that there was really 5 mafia all along. Makes perfect sense.

Actually there was 2 towns people,doctor,detective and all the rest were Mafiosos. I can tip you that the towns people were Prole and Reenk.~;)

[Reenk Roink]

@Reenk: I thought you'd figure it out when people started voting you. It was amusing to pretend it was because of Sigurd's "charts and timelines" though. He could hardly have been pm'ing them since he wasn't online :laugh4:

I think your doctor claim strategy was a bit too bold. But I guess you didn't know Kage would be told if he investigated the doctor, neither did I.

I never bought the charts. That was obvious BS (sorry Don, but you weren't convincing ~;p). Why do you think I kept asking for proof?

Like I said, I knew the argument was "Oh, Reenk's claiming to be a doctor, so he's mafia" and all that.

I knew you were playing me from the start. I said I was doctor, and your first reply was "cool"?!?!? :inquisitive: That gave it away right there. However, with your help, I basically deducted the 4 people that couldn't be doctor, and now I have my guess of PP.

So I just gave the secrets away to the mafia. Toodles. :laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That would make sense...if you weren't mafia.


I said I was doctor, and your first reply was "cool"?!?!?

It was "sweet" for Kage ~D


Nice guess on the doc btw :bow:

Though you really should of figured he had a role earlier from his increased posting :p

[Reenk Roink]

That would make sense...if you weren't mafia.

:laugh4:

[Kommodus]

The reason Don is thar becouse in this game Mafia could target other mafiosi.I targeted myself last night and the Doctor saved me.~D

Ok, that is just plain cheesy. :rtwno:

The story told of a mafioso breaking into your house, tackling you, and trying to kill you. There's no way anyone could've interpreted that any other way than the way they did. Dirty trick if you ask me, and rather lame. I don't think it's right when the game's outcome is determined by misunderstandings of the rules. Targeting one's self should not be allowed, and if the mafia are allowed to target each other, that should be clarified in the opening rules.

Other than that, what can be said about this game... nice job Kagemusha and Sasaki! Once again you succeeded in stringing the town along. Looks like Kagemusha's detective deception was very well done and extremely effective.

You're lucky I dropped out of this one early and didn't follow it... although with twists as odd as the ones in this game, I probably wouldn't have gotten it anyway. In games with only one mafia faction, we're used to the idea that assassinated players have been proven innocent. Without knowledge of that rule change, the answer here would've been nearly impossible to attain.

There's one thing I don't understand - besides Kage and Sasaki, who else was mafia here? It's obvious that there are more, because otherwise Sasaki wouldn't be claiming victory yet. With seven people remaining, the deaths of two more will leave five. If the game is over, there must be at least two more mafia besides Kage.

EDIT:


Actually there was 2 towns people,doctor,detective and all the rest were Mafiosos. I can tip you that the towns people were Prole and Reenk.

What??? I wasn't a mafioso, and I had no other special roles either.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:laugh4:

Oh Kommodus we're just messing around. Prole and Reenk were the mafia, the game is over.

[Reenk Roink]

the game is over.

You really think that don't ya... :beam:

[Kommodus]

:laugh4:

Oh Kommodus we're just messing around. Prole and Reenk were the mafia, the game is over.

:inquisitive: :laugh4: :dizzy2: :clown: :help: :oops:

Boy, am I embarrassed. :embarassed: You guys are so silly. Here, have a balloon. :balloon2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You really think that don't ya... :beam:

Yes :yes:

You sound as convincing as always but I'm not buying it. You had no way of knowing I knew who the doctor was in the first place, so there's no way you started pm'ing me with the intention of finding that out. If you were really unsure of Kage you would be much lacking in your normal judgemant and you could have settled the question much easier by pm'ing him. I'm sure you figured out I was on to you pretty fast, I sent you some obvious hints and Sigurd mentioned the doctor claim in the thread...and you know I'm not silly enough to believe some of the stuff you sent me ~;) I'd doubt you knew from the first pm though, otherwise you'd have tried this bad townie story earlier.

If I wasn't sure, why would I confirm that peasant phill doctor? That would give him away to be killed tonight and I certainly wouldn't want to do that.

[Csargo]

Peasant Phill was strolling throught the park having a very pleasant day. Little did he know that the mafioso was still on the loose. PP's head was sliced off from behind. He never saw it coming.

Kagemusha thought himself invincible since he thought the Doctor would always protect him. Little did he know that wasn't the case on this day. The mafioso walked out from behind a tree and shot Kage in the head. He was dead and the Doctor was no where to be found.

Get voting people!


Sir Moody-

Dutch_Guy-

Discovery1-

Don Corleone-

Xiahou-

[GeneralHankerchief]

the game is over.

O RLY?

Come on, people, we don't have that many more chances. I suggest Don, but Disco's looking more and more like a suspect.

Edit: Fairly short turnaround time between execution and kills. Let me investigate this a bit further.

[Kommodus]

If I wasn't sure, why would I confirm that peasant phill doctor? That would give him away to be killed tonight and I certainly wouldn't want to do that.

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Boy, I bet you're embarrassed now... :oops:

Phew, I just had a good laugh. Good luck, townies. I'm still not getting into this one.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I had it on faith from Csar that the game was over but I guess he was lying.

[Kagemusha]

Either Reenk really is the friend of the mafia townie of the year or then this is somekind of twist.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Dutch guy hasn't been online today. And Xiahou not for three hours.

[Don Corleone]

What the hell? Okay, first, we just had our lynching a little while ago. Second, how damn mafia are there? I was kidding about there being 5. Was I right?

If we're really into a new morning, that is we just went through another night about an hour ago (and that hardly seems fair Csar), then Kagemusha should have an investegation result. Let's say there was 3 not 2 mafia.

Now we're all going to come forward and make the same claims... we all claim to be innocent. We'll all say "don't vote me, it'll make the mafia win". I hate to say it, but in light of Kagemusha's death, I think the town has lost.

[Kommodus]

I had it on faith from Csar that the game was over but I guess he was lying.

Huh.

That's odd. :inquisitive: Maybe the game is over and those two deaths were fake? Can't really assume that, though.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, I've just noticed something.

5 users left.

The three that are visible (Sir Moody, Don, and Disco) have all been on since Reenk's suicide.

The other two are invisible. Sasaki - some status confirmation please?

Dutch_guy's invisibility has surprised me. It definitely was not always that way. I distinctly remember this because of his unique user ID (#10000). Could the invisibility be blocking something, I wonder?

Of course, if Sasaki confirms that he wasn't on between Reenk's death and the two kills I'm back to square one.

EDIT: lol, 4 posts in a minute. Oh well, so much for that theory.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Boy, I bet you're embarrassed now... :oops:

Phew, I just had a good laugh. Good luck, townies. I'm still not getting into this one.

Haha, what can I say, I assume people aren't dicking around. I just don't see the point of trying to help the mafia win if you're town.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sir Moody was the only one on at the time the kills were posted.

[GeneralHankerchief]

There could have been turnaround time, though.

[Kagemusha]

If the game is going on normally.Im declaring vendetta to Reenk Roink becouse of his stunt.I will vote for you for now on each round in every mafia game if you are alive,if this is not prank from Csar.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sir Moody: Last Activity: Last Activity: Today 18:44
Xiahou: Last Activity: Today 16:18
Don: On now
Dutch_Guy: Last Activity: Yesterday 16:41
disco: Last Activity: Today 17:51

Execution: Today, 15:05

Doc "revealed":Today, 18:01-18:20

Kills: Today, 18:56

We can probably exclude Xiahou and dutch_guy because of online time, and Don because he's innocent. It may be safe to exclude disco and just lynch Sir moody.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If the game is going on normally.Im declaring vendetta to Reenk Roink becouse of his stunt.I will vote for you for now on each round in every mafia game if you are alive,if this is not prank from Csar.

Yeah, man. Bros before Hos.

[Reenk Roink]

Either Reenk really is the friend of the mafia townie of the year or then this is somekind of twist.

I told you. I just wanted to mess around and get info. I'm just a townie... :2thumbsup: :laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

If the game is going on normally.Im declaring vendetta to Reenk Roink becouse of his stunt.I will vote for you for now on each round in every mafia game if you are alive,if this is not prank from Csar.

Oh give me a break Kage. You guys wanted to lynch me. :stare:

You can't assume I'm a Mafia just because I lie...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We had no intention of lynching you before pm'd me.

You certainly do hold a grudge :laugh4: Just forget Mafia V man, the mafia hardly ever pull it off and you guys didn't do all that bad.

[Reenk Roink]

The mistake was you guys assuming me a Mafia. I actually just wanted to see if Kage was for real and help the town. Your reverse around actually bit ya in the butt. This has nothing to do with Mafia V...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You actually doubted Kage!?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There are 5 left, so we could just not lynch anybody and let the mafia kill 2. But I don't think it would help us that much and there would be the risk of a mafioso slipping in a vote right before time was up.

[Xiahou]

Well, all I know for sure is that Kage was the detective, Prole was mafia, and Im innocent. Everything else is pretty confusing at this point... Sir Moody seems to be a fair choice though, given recent postings. :shrug:

[Peasant Phill]

I hereby want to protest against the fast kills of today. There were only 4 hours between the suicide and the kills. Some people have a life outside the Org. Some people were returning home from a UEFA Cup game (Zulte-Waregem - Ajax) when the suicide was discovered. Some people live in a time zone where you are in bed when the kills were made.

That I was going to die if the mafia wasn't found was certain but at least I could've saved someone before I died. Whatever the reason for this, it isn't fair and will taint a possible mafia win.

[Sigurd]

It must be a prank from Csar... perhaps orchestrated by the Reinkmaster himself to make us sweat.

As PP said it is not fair that all roles didn't have the chance to send in their PM's

BTW I had a role too in this game.:yes:

[Sir Moody]

well im confused does sas fingering me count as an accusation of mafianess? (im still holding out for my 2 last points for Mafia Veteranship)


onto my "defence" i didnt read the kills till this morning just now i was on the org when they were posted but i was busy with my own mafia game and the M2tw parts of the forum - last time i read was my last post just after Reenks sucide and disco and Don were both on as well

i know im innocent and we can presume Dutch guy is innocent as hes not been on - that leaves Xiahou, Disco and Don

my money is on Don or Disco but it cant be both its one or the other

for now

Vote Don C

of the 2 he is the most suspicous

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hidden roles? This game is even more confusing.

Way to vote for don with no evidence Sir moody.

[Sigurd]

Hidden roles? This game is even more confusing.


I was the Godfather... and here is the PM from Csar:


You are the Imaginary GodFather. Your role has no point and if you are killed the game will not end. Have fun with this role cause it has no point.

Best regards,
Csar


:laugh4:

[Sir Moody]

i voted without evidence as... there is no evidence

your "proof" against me is that i was on when the kills were posted when in fact you should be looking at who was on when reenk died - me, don and Disco

thats all we have to go on but i had a thought - myself and don were heavily involved in the Kage vs Reenk attack last round - disco was on during it but he didnt post or vote? was he trying to blend into the background?

opinions?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So why did you vote for don?

[Sir Moody]

he looks most suspicous to me (going back to the pre kage v Reenk) but im just throwing ideas out here honestly i have nothing concrete to go on - its one of us and i know its not me

[Reenk Roink]

It must be a prank from Csar...

Denial is a very problematic state, as the psychological assurance it causes is difficult to treat. Given enough times systemic sets of contradiction between the certain mislead ideas and reality will be sufficient therapy. The state of denial will pass and anger and regret shall follow.


perhaps orchestrated by the Reinkmaster himself to make us sweat.

Scapegoats are a very clear example of the fundamental attribution error in play. People like to gloss over their own mistakes, and rationalize them in terms of their situation, but are always quick to blame others, with no mention of their situation.


As PP said it is not fair that all roles didn't have the chance to send in their PM's

It could be the fact that the Mafia hit both the detective and the doctor, making both their special abilities obsolete. I don't think Csar has a realism mode like GH.

By the way Mafia, I haven't received my 'Thank You' PM yet (though I told Sasaki otherwise :laugh4:) (prudent, as I would probably betray you to the villagers). When the game ends, Reenkmaistro expects his cut as well... :wink:

[Dutch_guy]

Dutch_guy's invisibility has surprised me. It definitely was not always that way. I distinctly remember this because of his unique user ID (#10000). Could the invisibility be blocking something, I wonder?


Well, I've been using invisibility mode since it was required in...in..which game was it again ? TBH2, was that it?

Been using it ever since.

:balloon2:

[Kagemusha]

Give you a break Reenk? Becouse of your Paranoid behaviour,you got both detective and Doctor killed last round. I have no words for you buddy.Other then Vote Reenk Roink for now on.:coffeenews:

[Reenk Roink]

Give you a break Reenk? Becouse of your Paranoid behaviour,you got both detective and Doctor killed last round. I have no words for you buddy.Other then Vote Reenk Roink for now on.:coffeenews:

Ok Kage, sorry if I was suspicious of a guy who kept investigating dead people... :rolleyes:

...Of a guy who the Mafia didn't go after for two rounds... :rolleyes:

Then there was Don's case against you...

All I wanted to do was make sure, and you guys ganged up on me in a disgusting way... :no: :shame:

You on the other hand, formed a posse to try and lynch me, and PM'd people without making your argument against me clear because you knew I would refute it because the conclusion does not follow from the premises and it was a stretched syllogism. You pushed to get me lynched, instead of doing the smart thing and going with the no lynch plan and investigating me next round. You didn't even give me chance to explain myself. Don't be secretive Kage, it bites you back... You should have come clean, so I could have come clean about my real motive: info gathering.

I'm not worried about your vendetta by the way, I started that... :laugh4:

"People get what they deserve..." :yes:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I frankly find it amazing that you would doubt Kage.


Investigating dead people: Two times in a row. Whoah! And I had said Kage and I discussed Seamus before hand, so he could only have faked one.
The mafia didn't go after him because there was a doctor. Duh.
Don's case was wildly off base.
It would be foolish to claim detective if he was mafia
The mafia targeted him proving his innocence!! :dizzy2:


You were a good choice for lynch, because it's good to lynch liars from a meta game standpoint. It's also completely logical to assume that townies aren't trying to help the mafia. I suspect you'll be lynched in the future under the "bros before hos" (tm) rule...people get what they deserve :laugh4:



The town hasn't lost this yet, but if we do I hope you feel sorry :no:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

btw, someone at least vote for Sir Moody to tie it up.

[Kagemusha]

Reenk you lie to detective in a mafia game after he has been proven innocent by attack on mafia.What a brilliant strategy to help the town. I dont know how many times i have to tell you that i wasnt even a bit intrested about you until Sasaki informed me that you lied to him about being the Doctor. You can build up any conspiracy theories in your head as much as you like,but if you lie to the detective in a mafia game he will come after you if he catches you of doing that.:dizzy2:

[Reenk Roink]

I frankly find it amazing that you would doubt Kage.


Investigating dead people: Two times in a row. Whoah! And I had said Kage and I discussed Seamus before hand, so he could only have faked one.
The mafia didn't go after him because there was a doctor. Duh.
Don's case was wildly off base.
It would be foolish to claim detective if he was mafia
The mafia targeted him proving his innocence!! :dizzy2:


1) I don't believe in "coincidence"...
2) That would be the first time then. Remember detective Seamus in the Black Hand?
3) No, it was plausible until Csar shot it down.
4) No, you did it and got Kage lynched. I did it and nearly got Seamus to go for gold.
5) See Don's case.


You were a good choice for lynch, because it's good to lynch liars from a meta game standpoint. It's also completely logical to assume that townies aren't trying to help the mafia. I suspect you'll be lynched in the future under the "bros before hos" (tm) rule...people get what they deserve :laugh4:

I agree that I was a good suspect, but the absolutely arrogant and dogmatic way you three went on about it was what was mistaken. IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THAT A LIAR=MAFIA! I was lying for a good cause.

Don't be so full of yourselves next time. Take time to actually see what is going on... :rolleyes:

The smart thing was to investigate me, you lot botched that big time.

About the "bros before hos"...

Hilarious. Wow, I only tried to help Mafia because you all looked so retarded thinking that you had won the game and patting yourselves on the back. When I was going after Kage, I was trying to help the town...


The town hasn't lost this yet, but if we do I hope you feel sorry :no:

I'm not going to. You guys should though... :yes:

If you had MADE PUBLIC THE CASE AGAINST ME, I COULD HAVE CLEARED THINGS UP AND THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

Thought you were so smart with your PM's huh? :rolleyes:

[Dutch_guy]

btw, someone at least vote for Sir Moody to tie it up.

I shall,

Vote: Sir Moody.

Frankly, I don't believe Don's guilty, and I don't want to see him lynched until some sort of a solid Case has been presented. A tie, IE more time to discuss, would be in our best interest.

:balloon2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

1) I don't believe in "coincidence"...
2) That would be the first time then. Remember detective Seamus in the Black Hand?
3) No, it was plausible until Csar shot it down.
4) No, you did it and got Kage lynched. I did it and nearly got Seamus to go for gold.
5) See Don's case.

1) What about statistical significance?
2) I also addressed this earlier. We had a reasonable shot at doctor in that game, in fact our second choice would have been correct. There was also no prospect of lynching Seamus.
3) It's never been allowed in any game and never will be. Simple
4) We both did it after being accused. Kage hadn't been accused and there was no way he could have been confident that the detective had been killed.

Next time think it through before doing crazy stuff.


I agree that I was a good suspect, but the absolutely arrogant and dogmatic way you three went on about it was what was mistaken. IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THAT A LIAR=MAFIA! I was lying for a good cause.

I didn't say it was true, but the lynching sets a good precedent. When I lie I drop it pretty quick. You could have dropped it but didn't.




About the "bros before hos"...

Hilarious. Wow, I only tried to help Mafia because you all looked so retarded thinking that you had won the game and patting yourselves on the back. When I was going after Kage, I was trying to help the town...

But you did try to help the mafia...




I'm not going to. You guys should though... :yes:

If you had MADE PUBLIC THE CASE AGAINST ME, I COULD HAVE CLEARED THINGS UP AND THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

Thought you were so smart with your PM's huh? :rolleyes:

Kage did. He said you weren't the doctor.


On topic, Sir Moody. Strange man. But why aren't disco and X posting?

[Reenk Roink]

1) What about statistical significance?
2) I also addressed this earlier. We had a reasonable shot at doctor in that game, in fact our second choice would have been correct. There was also no prospect of lynching Seamus.
3) It's never been allowed in any game and never will be. Simple
4) We both did it after being accused. Kage hadn't been accused and there was no way he could have been confident that the detective had been killed.

Next time think it through before doing crazy stuff.

1) I'm not going to bother doing the calculation, but I would expect a pretty low p-value would be needed to disregard that occurrence as variation. Certainly lower than .05...

2) There was no chance that Kage would be lynched here... Prole had no case, everyone believed Kage. Even I did at first before gaining doubt.

3) The fact that several people saw validity in the case argues against it. Also, I never have seen a detective uncover a special role, only get innocent and guilty results. Even Csar said that he wouldn't let detective uncover roles after this game...

4) What about me in Mafia V? I did it not knowing anything about the detective. I didn't know who would speak up. In fact, I had responses ready to argue against the real detective.

Sasaki, people are going to lie about having roles. The Spartan, theRTWguru, and me. The reasons are going to vary, but it happens, almost once every 2 games... The fact that all of you showed such confidence in my guilt is telling. Look where it got you... :shrug:


I didn't say it was true, but the lynching sets a good precedent. When I lie I drop it pretty quick. You could have dropped it but didn't.

I was never given the chance to drop it. I knew you were trying to play me from your first reply. What could I do but push it? After all, Kage only had one vote, maybe I could convince the rest? That's why I committed suicide...


But you did try to help the mafia...

I did. But my directions were vague. I could only guess that the doctor was PP. You basically gave it away with your "good guess" comment. I also told the Mafia to go after two innocents, but after you gave it all away, well, they killed off Kage too... :shrug:


Kage did. He said you weren't the doctor.

After he had PM'd everybody and 4 votes were against me. Big whoop then, it is very difficult to get people to change votes. It is easier to change their minds before they voted.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

meh, Csar pm'd me and said the game was over. I forwarded that to Kage.

I still don't see what you planned on learning from kage by claiming to be doc. I simple rules clarification from Csar was all that was needed. You just wanted to be edgy. Csar quotes GH's rules in his first post, the conclusion is inescabable.

I considered revealing roles to detective in my game so perhaps I'm biased. It's a common variation.

You should have come clean when you realized the jig was up, this could have been averted. I would have gone for investigation if you had, I didn't encourage people to vote until the next day.

Also, I haven't been wrong about a detective claim yet so I'm going to assume I'm correct. Usually a simple "what do they have to gain/what do they risk losing" will do the trick. If gain>loss, lynch them, if not they are probably telling the truth.

So you did find kage suspicious, I'm just surprised that's all.

Someone vote for disco too. And maybe X. Make this a big a tie as we can here (can exclude dg).

[Xiahou]

If it's Disco, he's done a stellar job at seeming unmafia-like.... I don't believe it's Don, and Dutch seems to be cleared by online times.

vote: Sir Moody

[Don Corleone]

I don't know who to suspect, but I do know that Csar broke his own rules by having night follow day 3 hours, not 24 hours later like that. That he's sending emails around telling people the game's over, when it's really not, seems patently unfair. If we lose, the mafia didn't win... Csar handed the game to them.

Vote: Csar.

[Sir Moody]

and now X un balances the "tied" vote - the online times prove nothing really i was on yes but i dint read this thread until the morning after the kills were posted - at the time Reenk commited suicide Disco and Don were on as well so it could equally be them

basically al lwe have to go on is this

Don C was acting very very odd at the begining of last round throwing all kinds of wacky consipracy stroies all over the place after i voted for him... even after i withdrew my vote he kept it going...

Disco - Disco has been quite recently - odd as he has been on - he also took part in 2 bandwagons (one i started admitadly) he also "hid" for the begining of the game and suddenly appeared when we started a lynch the lurkers campaign

its one or the other - Dons knee jerk defence has me pretty certain its him but disco is showing classic mafia signs (inactivity and bandwagoning)

but it looks like we are going to lose as im the one going down and i AM innocent... guess you will have to take my word on that - can i get to throw rotten fruit at you all from the grave? it seems fair - Reenk can join in :idea2:

[Don Corleone]

Okay, prior to the assasination attempt on Kagemusha, what evidence did anybody have that kagemusha really was the detective?

[Sir Moody]

don you were ranting AFTER the first attempt on Kage...

[Reenk Roink]

Well, I've had my kicks. I'll do the honors before Csar shows up:

https://img435.imageshack.us/img435/1990/ass8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Well, this game is certainly the most enigmatic I’ve played. I got the PM from Csar when it was the third round of Mafia V, and I was really getting into that game (making up detective story, new types of kills, etc).

I was very happy that I got selected again, and I briefly consider duel wielding Wanaxes before scrapping the idea due to it’s obvious retardation. :tongue:

So I definitely changed my style, with short, simple kills, spelling mistakes, and simple syntax. I also began to kill people with bullets and bombs; something alien to The Wanax.

Knocked off Kommodus in the first game, almost exactly as I knocked off Kommodus in Mafia V. While I really thought he would post less, it turned out to kill me in Mafia V (though he pretty much ignored Csar’s game for some reason).

Of course, Proletariat had to get investigated the very first round... :wall:

As soon as I saw this, I basically gave up hope for this game. Not only was Mafia V getting really juicy, but this one was all but lost. Prole was a good partner and she told me to vote for her (sorry I couldn’t avenge you :shame:).

I knew I had to go after Kagemusha, but there was also a doctor left. :sad: So basically, this was a game like GH’s (very hard) plus they had a doctor and killed on Mafia... I was screwed from the start. I had no immunities or helpers like other Mafia games and so I was screwed. This has got to be the hardest game for Mafia to win.

By the end of round 2, Prole was gone and I was all alone. :sad:

I couldn’t go after Kage either, as the doctor was almost certain to be alive. I basically ignored this game from that point. Csar had to nag me to get PM’s in, and I was so engrossed in Mafia V, that it was hard to concentrate at all on this game.

I just began killing off people randomly. I didn’t even look at the list of players, just went for the names that were big: Sasaki, GH, Sigurd, Seamus, JimBob... Just the names that I had seen a lot in my glimpses of the thread. I never expected to make it anyway, and so my kills got shorter to the point where they were just names (Csar got pissed at this, sorry). People began to think that I was toying with them. No, not in this game at least.

After a while of ignoring the game, I saw that there were only nine people left! I was amazed, and I suddenly became very interested in the game, seeing a possible victory open up just like that. I made the comment in the thread, and was ready to knock off Kage. I though the doctor would be dead by now, but I was wrong.

Kage was protected by the doctor. No matter I thought, nobody suspects me at all. I was just going to wait out the lynch and kill two more townies (Kage was ignoring me as well), but then Sigurd Fafnesbane had to show up. :stare:

He brought up a comment I had forgotten about in Mafia V. (Note to Hosts and Deaders: Stop allowing dead people to look up old threads and then speak. Seriously people, go watch TV or something...) Now, my partial intelligence comment was true, as it was not completely about the change in my kill styles, but the comment was damning, and Sigurd kept pushing it.

I panicked. I knew that I could outdo him in argument to survive this round, but the fact that Kage was still alive bothered me. Plus the fact that I still needed to survive for two more lynches.

I tried to utilize my last stratagem. Going to Sasaki and Kage about my doctorness. This failed horribly and I knew it from the start. Initially, I had wanted to keep telling Sasaki for Kage to investigate me, so that he wouldn’t investigate me. But Sasaki’s first reply gave away the fact that he was playing me. “Cool” he said. I knew then that they had figured out who the doctor was (I figured out later by process of elimination from Sasaki, as the only name he didn’t mention to me in our long correspondence was Peasant Phill). I sent my PM to Csar, first complaining about the fact that he let the detective figure our roles in his investigations, and second, asking to commit suicide by swirly. I also asked him to give a fake ending, because I felt that I had been shafted and wanted the trio to taste some vengeance of the Reenkmeister. I can’t go away empty handed. :laugh4:

After this, I played along with Kage and Sasaki, defending myself and my innocence. After I was killed, I made up a bogus story about being a townie who just wanted to make sure. It worked. Sasaki become worried about the game again and Kage just got really pissed. :laugh4:

What, you guys think I’m not going to have my fun? :tongue3:

Anyway, good game all, and I hope there are no hard feelings about my end of game deceit. :bow: :shakehands: ~:grouphug:

On a sadder note: I failed again, and will probably never get another chance... :no: :shame: :disappointed:

[Sir Moody]

ok now im really confused ... we won? it wasnt don? ok i look a right idiot now ive been after don for 2 rounds for no reason....

[Reenk Roink]

ok now im really confused ... we won? it wasnt don? ok i look a right idiot now ive been after don for 2 rounds for no reason....

Gah...

You think you have it bad... I failed...again.

I couldn't avenge you Prole, I'm sorry... :shame:

[Don Corleone]

don you were ranting AFTER the first attempt on Kage...

Yes, I was. But only because I hadn't read the kill descriptions closely, and the summary said that Kagemusha was 'saved'. I originally read that as follows:

-Doctor protected Kagemusha
-No attempt was actually made on Kagemusha.
-BUT, Csar reported it back as "Doctor protected Kagemusha".

I realize I was wrong in all of that, but that was my thought process. If Kagemusha WAS mafia, he'd know the doctor would be protecting him. He could have just ordered 1 hit and let the town assume the rest. It would have been pretty clever.

Now, question for all of you...

Until Kagemusha had an assination attempt on him, why did any of you believe him? We lynched Proletariat on nothing other than Kagemusha's unsubstantiated claim. We got lucky as far as I'm concerned, because it could have just as easily gone the other way.

[Reenk Roink]

Now, question for all of you...

Until Kagemusha had an assination attempt on him, why did any of you believe him? We lynched Proletariat on nothing other than Kagemusha's unsubstantiated claim. We got lucky as far as I'm concerned, because it could have just as easily gone the other way.

Well, I believed him because he sniped my partner.

If I was just a townie, I would initially believe him as well (you just don't do that so early in the game unless you are for real), but begin to have my doubts after he kept investigating dead people and not getting targeted...

[Csargo]

Yeah the games over. Me and RR decided to have a little fun.

RR and Prole were mafia.

Kage was detective

PP was Doctor.

I'll have a write-up on the events of the game tomorrow or later today unless the people don't want one.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

...

See, I told you you were mafia. You just don't listen :p

Good, I didn't like to think you'd screw over the town like that. Well it was certainly dramatic.

Reenk though, we didn't suspect you at all until you sent that pm. We would probably have investigated Sir Moody or X. Still, you might have had a lot of trouble in the round of 3 with everyone else confirmed innocent I guess.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah the games over. Me and RR decided to have a little fun.

RR and Prole were mafia.

Kage was detective

PP was Doctor.

I'll have a write-up on the events of the game tomorrow or later today unless the people don't want one.

Csar https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1058/emotarghbr6.gif messing with us.

Well I'm glad I didn't horribly misread the situation. My only mistake was believing csar :shame:

:tongue3: