Watchman
12-07-2006, 00:52
Being a bit on the curious (and pedantic) side the first thing I did after installing 0.8 was to go through the EDU and see what has changed since .74. On the side I ran into a few odd inconsistencies in the unit stats, oddities that might be oversights or intentional but seem to break consistency with similar units, and a few clear errors (eg. at least one lance primary weapon having the attribute "throwing" instead of "ap" like all the others). I assume the
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is more or less aware of them, but figured a list would be useful for someone anyway. To save space I'll put it in spoiler tags.
;402 Arab Slingers - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute, or at least would seem pretty feeble otherwise
;14 Arjos - secondary weapon should probably have "spear" attribute, or at least majority of equivalent sword/spear heavy infantry seems to
;282 Iaosatae - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute , and the regional version of the same unit (;283) has
;23 Balroae - secondary weapon has the attribute "spear_bonus_6" which seems rather aberrant, as no other spearman gets it but instead has more "mount_effects"
;59 Curepos - secondary weapon should probably have "ap" attribute like other cavalry spears
;58 Leuce Epos - ditto
;53 Komatai Hippeis - secondary weapon should probably have attack delay of 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears
;372 Ktistai - ditto
;54 Komatai Sphendonitai - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute
;10 Aspet Hetselazor - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160, lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;221 Azad Asavaran - primary weapon apparently buggered one way or another; unit type reads "missile cavalry", primary weapon seems to be a kontos lance - with the attribute "throwing"... The DMB gives the relevant skeleton as "fs_thp_m_spearman" though... :huh:
;222 Dehbed Asavara - primary weapon lethality should probably be round "1" as with all other missiles, not "0.2889"
;9 Zrahakir Netadzik - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "throwing" like other mounted bows (is this still necessary in 1.5 BTW ?), and secondary weapon a lethality of 0.4 like other kontos lances
;225 Pontic General - secondary weapon should probably have attack delay 160, lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;292 Shuban Fradakshana - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute
;295 Babylonian Heavy Infantry - should primary weapon have the "spear" attribute typical of "double armed" spearmen ?
;296 Nakhararakan Tiknapah - ditto
;69 Ridohárjoz (and ;70, the merc version) - secondary weapon should probably have attack delay 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears
;134 Ferulhárjoz (& ;136, the GenBG version plus ;135 Gástiz) - secondary weapon should probably have "spear" attribute
;414 Kirslininkas - an armour line of "9, 3, 0, flesh" seems somehow inappropriate for men wearing but clothes and carrying shields...
;423 Uachtarach DuboGaiscaocha (and the rebel version ;424) - primary wepon should probably have the "ap" attribute like other solifera
;183 Hippeis - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears, and to maintain consistency with the merc version ;184
;371 Baktrioi Hippotoxotai - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "throwing" like other mounted bows (is this still necessary in 1.5 BTW ?)
;182 Hippakontistai (and the rebel version ;353) - secondary weapon should probably have the "ap" attribute that usually goes with kopis swords
;366 Thrakioi Hippeis - secondary weapon should probably match that of the merc version ;419 (whose charge value appears *severely* excessive BTW)
;304 Toxotai Kretikoi (and the merc versuin ;418) - should probably have secondary weapon lethality around 0.1 instead of 0.04, as they're supposed to carry short swords instead of daggers
;389 Baktrian Bodyguard - stats do not quite appear to match either appereance or description
;425 Massiloi Hoplitai (and the merc version ;426) - secondary weapon should probably have "spear" attribute
;195 Iberian Lancearii (and the GenBG version ;193 and the rebel version ;428)) - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears
;198 Iberian Scutarii (and the merc version ;200) - primary weapon lethality should probably be round "1" as with other missiles
;375 Balearic Light Infantry - secondary weapon should probably have lethality of "1" and the attribute "ap" like other falcatas
;233 & ;234 Eqvites Romani - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears
;245 Equites Praetoriani - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160, lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;252 Velites - should probably have secondary weapon lethality around 0.1 instead of 0.04, as they're supposed to carry short swords instead of daggers
;361 Eqvites Germanorvm - secondary weapon should probably have lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;339 Eqvites Gallorvm - secondary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;393 Ala Imperatoria - secondary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;310 Early Saka Nobles - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "throwing" like other mounted bows (is this still necessary in 1.5 BTW ?)
;319 Aeldary Aembaltae - ditto
;387 Scythian Nobles - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" instead of "thrown"
...and more generally, isn't the barbarian warcry ability a separate unit attribute as per 1.5 ?
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is more or less aware of them, but figured a list would be useful for someone anyway. To save space I'll put it in spoiler tags.
;402 Arab Slingers - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute, or at least would seem pretty feeble otherwise
;14 Arjos - secondary weapon should probably have "spear" attribute, or at least majority of equivalent sword/spear heavy infantry seems to
;282 Iaosatae - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute , and the regional version of the same unit (;283) has
;23 Balroae - secondary weapon has the attribute "spear_bonus_6" which seems rather aberrant, as no other spearman gets it but instead has more "mount_effects"
;59 Curepos - secondary weapon should probably have "ap" attribute like other cavalry spears
;58 Leuce Epos - ditto
;53 Komatai Hippeis - secondary weapon should probably have attack delay of 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears
;372 Ktistai - ditto
;54 Komatai Sphendonitai - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute
;10 Aspet Hetselazor - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160, lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;221 Azad Asavaran - primary weapon apparently buggered one way or another; unit type reads "missile cavalry", primary weapon seems to be a kontos lance - with the attribute "throwing"... The DMB gives the relevant skeleton as "fs_thp_m_spearman" though... :huh:
;222 Dehbed Asavara - primary weapon lethality should probably be round "1" as with all other missiles, not "0.2889"
;9 Zrahakir Netadzik - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "throwing" like other mounted bows (is this still necessary in 1.5 BTW ?), and secondary weapon a lethality of 0.4 like other kontos lances
;225 Pontic General - secondary weapon should probably have attack delay 160, lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;292 Shuban Fradakshana - sling should probably have the "ap" attribute
;295 Babylonian Heavy Infantry - should primary weapon have the "spear" attribute typical of "double armed" spearmen ?
;296 Nakhararakan Tiknapah - ditto
;69 Ridohárjoz (and ;70, the merc version) - secondary weapon should probably have attack delay 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears
;134 Ferulhárjoz (& ;136, the GenBG version plus ;135 Gástiz) - secondary weapon should probably have "spear" attribute
;414 Kirslininkas - an armour line of "9, 3, 0, flesh" seems somehow inappropriate for men wearing but clothes and carrying shields...
;423 Uachtarach DuboGaiscaocha (and the rebel version ;424) - primary wepon should probably have the "ap" attribute like other solifera
;183 Hippeis - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears, and to maintain consistency with the merc version ;184
;371 Baktrioi Hippotoxotai - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "throwing" like other mounted bows (is this still necessary in 1.5 BTW ?)
;182 Hippakontistai (and the rebel version ;353) - secondary weapon should probably have the "ap" attribute that usually goes with kopis swords
;366 Thrakioi Hippeis - secondary weapon should probably match that of the merc version ;419 (whose charge value appears *severely* excessive BTW)
;304 Toxotai Kretikoi (and the merc versuin ;418) - should probably have secondary weapon lethality around 0.1 instead of 0.04, as they're supposed to carry short swords instead of daggers
;389 Baktrian Bodyguard - stats do not quite appear to match either appereance or description
;425 Massiloi Hoplitai (and the merc version ;426) - secondary weapon should probably have "spear" attribute
;195 Iberian Lancearii (and the GenBG version ;193 and the rebel version ;428)) - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears
;198 Iberian Scutarii (and the merc version ;200) - primary weapon lethality should probably be round "1" as with other missiles
;375 Balearic Light Infantry - secondary weapon should probably have lethality of "1" and the attribute "ap" like other falcatas
;233 & ;234 Eqvites Romani - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160 like other one-handed cavalry spears
;245 Equites Praetoriani - primary weapon should probably have attack delay 160, lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;252 Velites - should probably have secondary weapon lethality around 0.1 instead of 0.04, as they're supposed to carry short swords instead of daggers
;361 Eqvites Germanorvm - secondary weapon should probably have lethality 0.33 and the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;339 Eqvites Gallorvm - secondary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;393 Ala Imperatoria - secondary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" like other one-handed cavalry spears
;310 Early Saka Nobles - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "throwing" like other mounted bows (is this still necessary in 1.5 BTW ?)
;319 Aeldary Aembaltae - ditto
;387 Scythian Nobles - primary weapon should probably have the attribute "ap" instead of "thrown"
...and more generally, isn't the barbarian warcry ability a separate unit attribute as per 1.5 ?