Interficio quod Scrupulosa [Concluded]

[AggonyDuck]

:laugh4:

EDIT: Merry Christmas everyone!

There's no date for the edit.

:inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There's no date for the edit.

:inquisitive:

It happens sometimes if you edit real fast.


@Kommodus: As I suspected, you didn't bother trying to find mafia because you were mafia.

[Xiahou]

Btw Peasant Phill, Xiahou started using that quote before the kills and it's likely that the latin quotes are a red herring. Its a rather historical quote.
Actually, it was Reenk that inspired me to add the latin phrase to add my own bit of flavor to the Senate setting.

IIRC, it was often spoken by Cato during the lead up to the 3rd Punic War. He was concerned by Carthage's growing prosperity and was convinced Rome should finish them off. He made a habit of adding that statement at the end of all his speeches to drive the point home. :beam:

As to my next suspect, I'm not convinced of the wisdom in naming names before the rebels strike again... If we start to cast suspicion on an innocent Senator to the point they look likely to be executed the rebels need not consider them as a kill since we're likely to lynch the Senator for them. :shrug:


Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

[doc_bean]

You think I've been acting funny and yet you voted for caius and kommodus without giving a reason?

Hey, you said it yourself, you're always going to be suspicious :laugh4:

I voted for Kommodus because I was tired of the endless debates of his 'morals' in this game, he took away the focus from finding the rebels, though he might have also been a rebel himself. Either way, I saw lynching Kommodus as a win-win situation (obviously one kind of win is a lot better than the other).

[Sir Moody]

the night phase will end at noon tommorow - I hope everyone has had a great holiday and is fresh and ready to finish this game

[Sir Moody]

well i had a 6 hour powercut from 11 till 5 and then i havent been able to get onto the org so todays kills are pushed back to tommorow - sorry all it was an act of a greater power than me... the north hertfordshire power board

[Sir Moody]

Senator Novus Caro, known to his friends and enemies alike as jimbob, was the most learned man in all of Rome. His library was the largest collection of historical accounts known to the world, with the exception of the library at alexandria. He was convinced he could find the Rebels Identities by pouring through old scrolls, in a way he was right. He was reading a very interesting account of a battle against the gauls when a fellow senator sat down in front of him. Novus was a little confused he was sure he had ordered his slaves to turn everyone away. The Senator Spoke, "Good evening my friend Novus i come with an offer. Your Learned nature would be very useful to us when we rule all you have to do is agree to serve me and renounce the senate." "NO" screamed as he Realised who was sitting in front of him "you are a rebel and a murderer i will never serve you!". He drew his dagger and lunged at the Traitor but he had not looked behind him. As he lept up from the table a large Gaulish Slave slipped a leather cord around his neck and within seconds had squeezed all the life out of poor Novus. "Oh well it was worth a shot, you know what to do", the slave nodded and the traitorous senator left. in the Morning the words "Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc" were found written in Novus's blood across the walls...

Senator Craterus was scared out of his mind. He knew the Senate was doomed and was sure he was next. So sure in fact he had decided to flee with his mistress to his villa out of rome. in the Middle of the night they crept out to his litter and started to head out of Rome - they didnt make it far. Craterus Rolled over and felt something sharp bite into his skin. The Mistresses screams awoke the guards who found Craterus Shaking uncontrollable with white froth forming at his mouth. He was dead in minutes...

"well my friends" Csar announced "this is it our numbers our so small now - we have only 2 chances left and so this vote will be the most important yet. Let us not waste this for then all will be lost"

Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Csar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
AggonyDuck


Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
JimBob
Craterus

Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus

Suicide
Proletariat

Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope

[doc_bean]

Don't vote Sasaki, Reenk or me, stand by for further information (gotta go...)

[Peasant Phill]

tumtumtum


this is a very strange game

[doc_bean]

Congratulations you have been Randonly Selected to be the Praetor in Interficio quod Scrupulosa. Each night you will PM me with your target and I will respond with Guilty or innocent.
Remmber you cannot Reveal to individuals or after your death it must happen while you are alive and to everyone at once.

Good Luck

Dutch_Guy


innocent

Reenk Roink


despite his behavior - Innocent

Sasaki


like he says - OMG hes innocent

Craterus



Well i needn't say it since he was killed but - Innocent


Farewell friends, countrymen, Romans, I know my end is near, I hope what little information I have gathered will help you root out the rebels. I will probably be killed tonight, but before that, I will make sure another suspect is lynched !

[Don Corleone]

Damn, damn, damn. This sucks. If we lynch today, and we guess wrong, we're all but doomed. If we don't lynch today, we're certainly doomed. :no:

Doc_Bean's reveal is about the only thing we have going for us. If he's telling the truth, then the suspects are:

Don Corleone
Xiahou
Aggony_Duck

If not, then Reenk, Doc_Bean and Sasaki are also still suspects. I think we must have gotten one of them by now. The game should end when we nail the next one.

Reenk, you said you had a long laundry list of evidence against Sasaki that was irrefutable. Could you please share it now? If you're right, then there are 2 rebels left... Doc_Bean would have to be in on it, unless there's a twist..

Sasaki, you're always one of the best end-game players. What do you think?

Come on folks!!! We've only got one or two shots left!!! :wall:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm pretty sure it's AggonyDuck.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Duck has avoided taking a strong position on anything this game.

On Kommodus:


I don't think we should lynch Kommodus. I don't think a mafioso would dare to warrant such attention to himself at the start. Unless of course Kommodus possesses considerable testicular fortitude. So I'd suggest we keep him alive for now, but we should remain suspicious of him as we should remain of pretty much anyone.


One thing though; the voting based on suspicious behaviour might not be the best option. I believe it is far more common for the rebels to continue acting as they have done previously, than to drastically change their behavior


I'm not so convinced over Kommodus guilt. I believe if he was a rebel then he would propably not have posted it. It pretty much effectively dooms him in the end, because it will bring upon him suspicion and unless a Praetor cleans his name he ends up being a big suspect until the end. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but usually the last thing a rebel/mafioso wants is attention in the first rounds, especially attention like this that really doesn't serve to further his cause.

But on the other hand if Kommodus was the Praetor things would suddenly make sense. He would be afraid of being targeted by the mafia early on and thus to buy time make himself a highly suspicious post asking the rebels not to kill him. It would make sense to a degree.


It's a bit early to make any decisions based on gut yet. I first need to develop a feel for the game and everyone's behaviour. My logic is saying no about you being mafia, but my gut is yet undecided. Might need atleast three or four rounds to get a proper feel.

EDIT: Even then I don't think my gut is as reliable as I sometimes tend to believe that it is.

That's a lot of words, they all try to make Kommodus seem innocent but they never say he is. Duck is just "not so convinced", "correct me if I'm wrong" etc. If you read that passage while disagreeing with him it won't jump out at you like stronger statements would. It's a technique for avoiding attention.

He also avoids saying he's suspicious of anyone. He wants everyone to think he thinks they are innocent. His first vote was for Craterus:


I do not think that it is in our advantage to abstain now. Thus I will cast my vote on someone and I've decided to cast my vote on Craterus. He has an uncanny ability to survive far in to the game, without really much posting anything and remaining as a great unknown throughout the whole game.

Vote: Craterus

Note the lengthy qualifier "I don't think you're guilty but you have stay alive a long time". He follows this up in a later post with further qualification:


Craterus, I don't have anything against you except the fact that you have a tendency to stay under the radar and survive to the endgame. I've already played a couple of games where you have been a "unknown" at the end game and I'd rather not have such a situation again.


EDIT: Forgot my vote. My vote goes for Reenk Roink. Of the two he is the one being a bit more suspicious, although what value that has remains to be seen.

Vote: Reenk Roink

His vote for Reenk Roink is in the same vein.

He abstains against Caius:


Kinda busy at the moment and I don't feel like joining the Caius bandwagon, so:

Vote: Abstain


I'm going to vote for Sasaki. His posts are very suspicious. He has been going after Kommodus for the whole game now, but with a sudden vote changing last round from Kommodus to GH and from GH to Caius. There's something fishy in his posting/voting methods this game.

Vote: Sasaki

He makes a strong vote against me but we'll get back to this one, as this is when I started pm'ing him.

We have this set of statements:


Anyway currently the game seems like a lottery as does the start of every mafia game. We'll just have to proceed on and eventually we should start to get a proper feel of the game and the different senators.

...

Sadly the game at this phase is very much like a lottery. You choose someone at random and hope that they are rebels.

...

At the moment this game resembles a lottery at best and well to be blunt, it really comes down to luck at the moment to lynch the rebels, so I suppose I am as good as any other suspect.

If the game is a lottery, then you don't have to have a strong position against anyone. Of course, the game is actually nothing like a lottery, but it's convenient for him to say so.

Now, his vote against me made me curious so I started pm'ing him.



What makes you think I'm guilty?

Sasaki


The main reason why you got my vote was because I didn't think that Kommodus was guilty. I wasn't really sure on whom I should cast my vote on, so I decided to vote for you, because well you seemed to be a suitable non-Kommodus to vote for in a hurry.

As I noticed at once, this is nothing like his posted reasons in the thread. Turns out he voted for me because he was "in a hurry" and I seemed "suitable". A marked change from "sasaki is very suspicious".

I pointed this out and he says:


Exactly. What I gave there was really more of an excuse and I believe it shows too. I voted for you due to your constant hounding of Kommodus, whom I believe is innocent. You were after him since his first post and kept up with it until his death and in the process managing to avoid suspicion quite nicely. The prospect of you being alive in the endgame is never a good one for the villagers. This is because unless a detective clears your name, you will always remain a highly suspicious player who can dominate a game. So I'd rather avoid that situation.

This is in contradiction of his last pm. So: First he says I'm very suspicious, then he says he voted me because I was a "suitable non-Kommodus" and now it's because I'm me and it's too risky to have me alive in the endgame.


Because I didn't have the time to think things through. I was checking the mafia thread quickly during a visit to my father to get my vote in to avoid the WoG. I read the posts and I didn't feel like joining the Kommodus bandwagon. Also I agreed with the statements of GH and basically I copied his arguments to make things easier for myself.

Oh look, now his post was just a quote of GH.


Well I still agree that they do make you a bit suspicious, especially the sudden vote changes before the Caius execution, but at the same time I don't know if you would be asking me all these questions if you were a mafioso. So maybe you might just be innocent.

Haha, so now he thinks I'm innocent. He's just trying to throw me off his track.



Essentially it comes down to this: Mafia know who is guilty, so any argument they make against someone is contrived. AggonyDuck's arguments are contrived as can be seen by his waffling about trying to find a convincing one. Mafia also try to avoid attention. The biggest way to get attention is to accuse someone, people respond to accusation. He has tried to avoid this the entire game by abstaining or qualifying his votes.

Lynch him.

[Caius]

Craterus is a woman ;)

[GeneralHankerchief]

doc_bean has nothing to really gain personally by revealing at this stage so I believe him.

AggonyDuck does sound like a good lynch this round. Out of the three remaining innocents I believe that he and Xiahou are our mafiosi, unless of course we already nailed one via the executions (highly unlikely).

[Marshal Murat]

Talk about a catch 22
Said the Plebian...

[AggonyDuck]

Well to be quite honest I actually tend to talk like that quite a lot at times. Words like might, propably, believe, maybe etc. are propably among my most used words, atleast usually, but I suppose that in this context they could appear strange to some people. As long as I lack some degree of conviction I will most likely sound a bit unconvincing. It usually is one of my bigger problems. Anyway it is a possibility that you might be making a mistake by voting for me or you could possibly be saving the senate. Maybe it might just be so that I am innocent. Or perhaps I am just guilty and being vague just allows me to refrain from lying, which I might have avoided quite nicely. Either way I'm somewhat relieved by your accusations, because it might mean that this rather dreadful existance might come to an end. Hopefully you might understand that there is a definate possibility that I might be guilty to some degree and that I propably can't be arsed to fight for the meager possibility of a continuation in this game. By the way I still believe that the starting rounds are very much like a lottery when it comes to voting, because it is down to luck if you manage to lynch a mafioso in the early rounds. But at the same time it does serve the purpose of laying the groundwork for the game, but still the votes cast by the villagers are mere lottery in the end. What might be somewhat more important is how the votes might incriminate you in the end. Anyway as I might have been saying at some earlier point, there is a good risk that I might be somewhat guilty of the murders of certain senators against whom I propably held no sort of possible grudge and that the murders which might and could have been commited by me and my late accomplice might have been just due to some sort of semi-divine intervention and the voice of some higher power that possibly told me to kill senators, which I most likely did not enjoy, although there is no saying that some of the murders might have been somewhat enjoyable, especially the murder of GH, which might have been commited by me after his rather disturbing gut-vote. Well atleast I got some sort of revenge there, but at the same time I might have believed that there was a likely chance that I was doing badly and that I most likely would be executed at some point due to my possible mistakes, provided that I am a rebel of course. Anyway good riddance somewhat cruel world and hopefully this will all be over by the end of this vote. Damn...

[AggonyDuck]

Oh and I'd like to vote: Sasaki! I think his "evidence" is ridiculous and hearsay at best. Where are the murder weapons, finger prints and eye witness accounts? Until he presents them I will believe that he is guilty!:inquisitive:

[Don Corleone]

I don't know. Sasaki makes some very good points, and even in his rebuttal, all Aggony says is "well, I talk that way sometimes". Contradicting yourself directly from one PM to the next, and from what you've posted publicly to what you say privately is very suspicious behavior. I still think Xiahou has a hand in all of this with the Latin phrases, but unless Peasant Phil or somebody else that understands Latin can offer more evidence, I have to vote for the guy that can't seem to speak straight...

Vote: AggonyDuck

P.S. Is there any chance that DocBean is lying? I'm just curious who the other mafia could be. Right now, Xiahou is my best bet, but frankly, the evidence against him isn't very good...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

haha, forgot I'm still alive. Vote:AggonyDuck

He's confessed now anyway. I'm convinced Kommodus was the other mafioso and the game will be over once we lynch ducky.

[JimBob]

I have doubts about AD. He has posted in a very noncommittal way before. But his last post is full of it. It's the best lead we have, but I have a feeling this one will go to the mafia.

[doc_bean]

doc_bean has nothing to really gain personally by revealing at this stage so I believe him.


Keeping hidden would have been the dumb thing to do, I had hoped to gain at least one more name (guilty OR innocent) before posting, unfortunately Craterus bit the bullet.

As for the current accusations: why do you people think Don or Xiahou are innocent ? Do we any concrete reason to believe that they are ?

They weren't on my suspect list, but then I haven't gotten lucky yet (errr...you know what I mean).

[Xiahou]

Nice investigative work Senator Sasaki. :bow:

Vote: AggonyDuck

Doc seems credible as a Praetor and his PMs ring true to me. I was previously suspicious of Sasaki, but consider him cleared now. Combine that with Sasaki's lengthy dissertation on the guilt of AggonyDuck, and my choice is clear.

Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

[Don Corleone]

As for the current accusations: why do you people think Don or Xiahou are innocent ? Do we any concrete reason to believe that they are ?

Assuming you really are the detective, and that you told us the whole truth, then the only person who could possibly know if I'm innocent at this point is me. The rest of you should be suspicious, but I think Sasaki gave Xiahou a pass several rounds ago. So, between myself and Aggony_Duck, I've gotta take the duck. As for Xiahou, I DO think it's odd that these Latin quotes keep showing up in the killings, and he stuck a Latin quote in his signature. He's going to laugh right out loud at the end of this, because he basically told us he was involved. I think Sasaki's wrong and I don't think the game is going to end after we lynch Aggony_Duck. Maybe AD is guilty, maybe not, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn Xiahou is (either as AD's partner or somebody else's). AD's changing his story over and over looks very suspicious, more so than Xiahou's Latin hijinx, but if the game's not over tomorrow night, I know who I'm voting for next.

[Craterus]

Finally.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Assuming you really are the detective, and that you told us the whole truth, then the only person who could possibly know if I'm innocent at this point is me. The rest of you should be suspicious, but I think Sasaki gave Xiahou a pass several rounds ago. So, between myself and Aggony_Duck, I've gotta take the duck. As for Xiahou, I DO think it's odd that these Latin quotes keep showing up in the killings, and he stuck a Latin quote in his signature. He's going to laugh right out loud at the end of this, because he basically told us he was involved. I think Sasaki's wrong and I don't think the game is going to end after we lynch Aggony_Duck. Maybe AD is guilty, maybe not, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn Xiahou is (either as AD's partner or somebody else's). AD's changing his story over and over looks very suspicious, more so than Xiahou's Latin hijinx, but if the game's not over tomorrow night, I know who I'm voting for next.

Ducky's resignation is one point that indicates he's the only one left. If there were two he would know he had some vote leverage, and would only have to lynch one person. But he knows even if he could get Xiahou lynched you'd vote for him next round. Of course the main point is how suspicious Kommo acted.


As for the current accusations: why do you people think Don or Xiahou are innocent ? Do we any concrete reason to believe that they are ?


My impression of them was that they were innocent. My two suspects were you and Ducky, leaning pretty heavily towards Ducky. I believe you though, apparently I have a tendency for suspecting detectives...

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk, you said you had a long laundry list of evidence against Sasaki that was irrefutable.

Don, I never said I had any list of reasons nor did I call them irrefutable. You are really going after me, misattributing things to me, for some reason or the other... :sad: :thumbsdown: :brood:

All I had was a classic Reenkaficsio speech based on the fact that Sasaki is too suspicious to let live this long. I didn't finish it and now I don't need to.

I'm not sure that doc_bean is Praetor at all. Now, he's not too suspicious as he didn't reveal when pressed, but then again three things bother me:

1) He could just reveal now knowing that he is essentially safe (with us having barely any lynches).

2) He didn't investigate Kommodus.

3) Look at his PM's closely: "despite his behavior - Innocent"

Sir Moody is British. He spells words like "realized" "realised" so why not "behavior" "behaviour"?

I'm on the fence with doc_bean. I don't believe him at all, but then again, I also have a hard time believing he is Rebel Slave.

I don't buy the AggonyDuck argument by Sasaki at all. All it does is put a bit of suspicion on him. Nothing at all convincing (in relation to how suspicious he was), and were it not for the fact that Sasaki's guilt is called into doubt by doc_bean (who I don't completely believe) I would be voting for him this round.

Vote: Reenk Roink (courteously) :shrug:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm not sure that doc_bean is Praetor at all. Now, he's not too suspicious as he didn't reveal when pressed, but then again three things bother me:

1) He could just reveal now knowing that he is essentially safe (with us having barely any lynches).

He couldn't know real detective is dead. Claims also have a history of being questioned.


2) He didn't investigate Kommodus.

He was obviously guilty. He investigated you and then me instead, understandable.


3) Look at his PM's closely: "despite his behavior - Innocent"

Sir Moody is British. He spells words like "realized" "realised" so why not "behavior" "behaviour"?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1221677&postcount=62

:bow:



I don't buy the AggonyDuck argument by Sasaki at all. All it does is put a bit of suspicion on him. Nothing at all convincing (in relation to how suspicious he was), and were it not for the fact that Sasaki's guilt is called into doubt by doc_bean (who I don't completely believe) I would be voting for him this round.


Why don't you buy it? What do you think of AD's "confession"?


there is a good risk that I might be somewhat guilty of the murders of certain senators against whom I propably held no sort of possible grudge and that the murders which might and could have been commited by me and my late accomplice might have been just due to some sort of semi-divine intervention and the voice of some higher power that possibly told me to kill senators, which I most likely did not enjoy, although there is no saying that some of the murders might have been somewhat enjoyable, especially the murder of GH, which might have been commited by me after his rather disturbing gut-vote. Well atleast I got some sort of revenge there, but at the same time I might have believed that there was a likely chance that I was doing badly and that I most likely would be executed at some point due to my possible mistakes, provided that I am a rebel of course.

[Reenk Roink]

He couldn't know real detective is dead. Claims also have a history of being questioned.

I claimed detective though in all honesty, I had no idea who he was. I just prepared myself to argue with him, and actually wanted that to happen (as it would draw attention away from Seamus).

Sorry Sasaki. While I certainly see the plausibility of him being truthful, there is another plausibility that, while though not as strong, cannot be disregarded. I must continue to affirm this point.


He was obviously guilty. He investigated you and then me instead, understandable.

Whoa Whoa Whoa.

While it is certainly understandable for him to investigate us, there was nothing obvious about Kommodus after his amended stance. He remains plausible, enough for me to vote against him, but the certainty I had in the beginning was gone after he amended his stance.

Gonna have to call this a problem in doc's reveal too...


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1221677&postcount=62

:bow:

Understood. I recant this point. :bow:


Why don't you buy it? What do you think of AD's "confession"?

I think it largely irrelevant, and have a slight inclination to view it as evidence for his innocence. Very weak bandwagon here Sasaki...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think it largely irrelevant, and have a slight inclination to view it as evidence for his innocence. Very weak bandwagon here Sasaki...

That's not the point. Unless you can show that doc_bean is lying, it doesn't matter if you think the evidence against AD is weak. At least one of the three is guilty and I don't see you offering arguments against the other two.

Tell me this, how did doc_bean know to spell behavior without the 'u' if he fabricated the pm's? The only post where Sir Moody spelled it "behavior" was in the backroom which isn't searchable by members. In the threads that are searchable by members he has it spelled "behaviour". If he had looked it up he would have it wrong. Do they use the american spelling in belgium btw? His story pans out, and it doesn't make sense as a mafia play, and I already suspected ducky. I believe him.

I don't see why you discount AD's confession either.

[doc_bean]

I normally use British spelling, so it would be 'behaviour' if I had written it and didn't mis-type (a problem that happens all too often :embarrassed:).

I didn't investigate Kommodus , that was a risk and I did think about it. The thing was, I expected him to get lynched or murdered, before a confession would have a serious impact. I couldn't reveal myself last round, of Sasaki, Reenk and me, only one would have remained, making it a *very* bad thing to do. So I expected, Kommodus to die, and went from there.

Okay, you may say, but you started the Kommodus bandwagon. True dat. BUT, the other players were obviously in agreement, he would have probably gotten killed even if I hadn't started it, OR we'd have another meaningless round of debate whether or not we should lynch him, and go for the random lynch instead (I warned y'all about the problem). Besides, he was acting very suspiciously and was the most probable pick for being mafia from those I hadn't investigated yet.

Also Reenk, you have trust issues. :cry:



Vote: AgonnyDuck, because his confession would have been very odd if he wasn't a rebel, and because the other two don't seem very suspicious.

[Sir Moody]

voting closed

[Sir Moody]

"Senator Morsus Anas you have been found guilty of the crime of Murder and treason please step forward.". Senator Morsus Anas, known playfully as AggonyDuck, was resigned to his fate. He stepped forward and held out his arms to a guard who placed the irons on. Within Seconds csar realised something was wrong as Morsus began to shiver then shake and then white froth formed on his mouth. He collapsed and was dead in seconds. Csar opened the cuffs and found a needle embedded inside. "This is proof friends it still isnt over..."


Votes
AggonyDuck = 4 ( Don Corleone, Sasaki Kojiro, doc_bean, Xiahou )
Reenk Roink = 1 ( Reenk Roink )


Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Csar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Xiahou

Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
JimBob
Craterus

Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus
AggonyDuck

Suicide
Proletariat

Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope

PM's please

[Reenk Roink]

That's not the point. Unless you can show that doc_bean is lying, it doesn't matter if you think the evidence against AD is weak. At least one of the three is guilty and I don't see you offering arguments against the other two.

Sasaki, you may be able to pull off this kind of stratagem on others, but I know you too well.

Do not try to link AggonyDuck and doc_bean together. They are two different cases. :stare:

My offering arguments also is irrelevant. I freely admit that I don't know who to vote for, however, I also see how terribly weak your case against AggonyDuck was... :rolleyes:


Tell me this, how did doc_bean know to spell behavior without the 'u' if he fabricated the pm's? The only post where Sir Moody spelled it "behavior" was in the backroom which isn't searchable by members. In the threads that are searchable by members he has it spelled "behaviour". If he had looked it up he would have it wrong. Do they use the american spelling in belgium btw? His story pans out, and it doesn't make sense as a mafia play, and I already suspected ducky. I believe him.

So he has both spelled it "behaviour" and "behavior"...

Now I can be inclined to think that doc_bean just got lucky... A bad argument again Sasaki. :rolleyes:

The thing that is going for doc_bean is that he revealed when there was no pressure on him. That is why my position on him is that it is plausible (around 60%) that he is Praetor, but there is a significant chance that he is not also (reasons were given above).


I don't see why you discount AD's confession either.

It seems like someone just mocking your investigations to be honest. You haven't actually given us any analysis on why to suspect him, just pasted his quotes.

You have to convince me Sasaki, it doesn't go the other way around...


I didn't investigate Kommodus , that was a risk and I did think about it. The thing was, I expected him to get lynched or murdered, before a confession would have a serious impact. I couldn't reveal myself last round, of Sasaki, Reenk and me, only one would have remained, making it a *very* bad thing to do. So I expected, Kommodus to die, and went from there.

Okay, you may say, but you started the Kommodus bandwagon. True dat. BUT, the other players were obviously in agreement, he would have probably gotten killed even if I hadn't started it, OR we'd have another meaningless round of debate whether or not we should lynch him, and go for the random lynch instead (I warned y'all about the problem). Besides, he was acting very suspiciously and was the most probable pick for being mafia from those I hadn't investigated yet.

Hey doc, thanks for the answer. This is an understandable reason for not going after Kommodus, and it satisfies my suspicion on the issue (though I'm still somewhat perturbed).


Also Reenk, you have trust issues.

Don't take it personally man. :smiley:

I have said that there is a good reason to believe you, and in all honestly, I would have cast my doubts aside if it weren't for the fact that Sasaki started the weak bandwagon immediately after your reveal.

That gave me the impression that your reveal could be a stratagem by the Rebel Slaves to buy you time. After all, we only have 1-2 lynches left, so there's a very good chance that even if you get caught, you can oull it off, because it's too late (what I was going for in Mafia V: cause confusion, waste a round or two, and let Seamus finish it off).

Still, you can tell that I don't suspect you enough to vote for you. Take that into consideration. It sorta sucks, but the reason I'm a bit suspicious of you isn't really because of anything you did, it's because of Sasaki... :tongue3:

[doc_bean]

That gave me the impression that your reveal could be a stratagem by the Rebel Slaves to buy you time. After all, we only have 1-2 lynches left, so there's a very good chance that even if you get caught, you can oull it off, because it's too late (what I was going for in Mafia V: cause confusion, waste a round or two, and let Seamus finish it off).


I would have never gone after Kommodus the way I did if my goal was confusion, he was the most confusing 'aspect' this game.

Oh well, I expect I will see my untimely demise this night, thus proving me innocent. Leaving me alive would show that the rebels have guts of course (trying to pin it on me) but they don't appear to particulary brave. It would be a nice Mexican stand-off though.



Don't take it personally man.

Don't worry, I don't :2thumbsup:

[Sir Moody]

"Friends, Good Romans we know there is rebels yet alive but there have been no deaths - they have missed their chance now we have the upper hand this is it all this is the end we must pick right but we have all the cards now..."


Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Csar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Xiahou

Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
JimBob
Craterus

Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus
AggonyDuck

Suicide
Proletariat

Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope


voting open on the final round

[Peasant Phill]

What are the odds that there are 2 rebels alive and both of them being to late to send in their kills. My fellow senators, I believe this blunder will grant the senate the victory.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's odd. Well, we've won now. doc_bean can tell us who is guilty, and even if Reenk doesn't believe him we have another round after this one. Edit, scratch that. Since Csar can't vote, we have to lynch mafia this round or lose, unless we lynch csar. But lynching csar won't resolve anything.

This I think explains why the mafia didn't kill anyone. Killing me and reenk (only possible choices) doesn't change things. Having us alive could be advantageous. Don has already said he thinks it's Xiahou, so X would understandably not be keen on an endgame with Don and the detective as the only 2 voters. He would also want Reenk alive since Reenk is questioning doc and myself. I'm going to go ahead and Vote:Xiahou for this and other reasons although I'm prepared to eat this vote depending on what doc_bean says.

Anyway Reenk, you have to know if I was mafioso I would never have let the game go without killing anyone this round.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sasaki, when was Xiahou last on?

(guess Kommodus was innocent after all :grin:)

[Reenk Roink]

Anyway Reenk, you have to know if I was mafioso I would never have let the game go without killing anyone this round.

Hey Sasaki, I know you too well to expect the unexpected...

Remember the "cool" response to my PM in Csar's game? Unexpected. Gave you away...

[GeneralHankerchief]

EDIT: (gah this was supposed to be in the post above)


voting open on the final round

Does this mean the dead can vote?

If so,

Vote: Xiahou

[Sasaki Kojiro]

EDIT: (gah this was supposed to be in the post above)
Does this mean the dead can vote?
If so,

Vote: Xiahou

I don't think it does.


Sasaki, when was Xiahou last on?

(guess Kommodus was innocent after all :grin:)

Maybe ~:handball: (yes I think he was)

Guess I was innocent too huh :tongue3:


Hey Sasaki, I know you too well to expect the unexpected...

Remember the "cool" response to my PM in Csar's game? Unexpected. Gave you away...

But if I'm guilty, doc_bean is guilty, so we could have won by killing 1 or 2 people this round.

[Sir Moody]

sorry general if the dead are just that - they cant vote

[Xiahou]

Interesting stuff. If doc is still to be believed (what choice do we have at this point), the only remaining potential rebels would be myself and Don. Of course, I know some info the rest you dont- that being I'm innocent. So my vote is clear:

Vote: DonC

The problem, of course, is that my vote alone isn't good enough since all other votes thus far have lined up against me. Don's been gunning for me for several posts now- saying I was the most likely rebel even while voting inexplicably for AggonyDuck. If he really thought I was a rebel, why wouldn't he vote his convictions? Probably because he didn't want to be the odd man out on such a clear lynch choice and draw attention to himself.

Of course, there's also the possibility that Doc is a rebel and named 2 innocents as investigation targets so as to give himself credibility. If that's the case, we'll lose either way- but I still tend to believe the authenticity of his PMs- leaving Don as the only choice.

Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Until doc_bean confirms who it is it's best to leave it a tie.

[Sir Moody]

well since we have a draw i wont close the voting and i will open it to the dead as well - voting closes tommorow at 12 and the dead CAN vote

[Don Corleone]

What I said, Xiahou, was that I find the Latin phrase a bit too coincidental with all the Latin phrases that keep showing up at the murder site. But that was nowhere near as suspicious as Aggony_Duck contradicting himself, several times if Sasaki is to be believed. I'm pretty sure Aggony_Duck was a rebel. I think he was your partner. You all jumped on the Kommodus bandwagon, something you were probably secretly cheering about. I said if the game wasn't over, I was going to vote for you.

Vote: Xiahou

[Caius]

Vote:DonC

If the rebels were late in the kills, that mean they are talking not much here.


OMG!I was going to vote a Dead Senator :grin2:

[Reenk Roink]

:laugh4:

So "convenient" for doc_bean to disappear right now...* :rolleyes:

*If there is a legitimate reason I apologize.

[Caius]

All are suspects, except they give a good reason...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:laugh4:

So "convenient" for doc_bean to disappear right now...* :rolleyes:

*If there is a legitimate reason I apologize.

New years? If he was bold enough to claim like that he wouldn't shy away from popping in and saying "so and so" is guilty. I have to admit though, the fact that no one was killed does point towards doc_bean. He couldn't kill himself after all, and the only explanation he could have for why he wasn't killed was that the mafia forgot to mail in their kills. I'm going to go ahead and unvote, Vote:doc_bean While I think about it. I urge people to tie it between the three.

[Reenk Roink]

All right. I got enough info to make a theory:

We're going to lose. 20 people initially plus the Wrath of God's hurt us from the start. Lack of communication also hurt us (Christmas time).

No problem, Interficio II will see more people and more communication. Loved the theme of this game. :2thumbsup:

Possible Mafia's (starting from most plausible to least plausible):

- doc_bean and Sasaki Kojiro
- doc_bean and someone else (Sasaki was just played)
- Kommodus and someone else
- two other people who evaded us like crazy

[Csargo]

New years? If he was bold enough to claim like that he wouldn't shy away from popping in and saying "so and so" is guilty. I have to admit though, the fact that no one was killed does point towards doc_bean. He couldn't kill himself after all, and the only explanation he could have for why he wasn't killed was that the mafia forgot to mail in their kills. I'm going to go ahead and unvote, Vote:doc_bean While I think about it. I urge people to tie it between the three.

Maybe he isn't around a computer and can't get on happens all the time.

I don't see how it points to him.

Oh come on Sasaki, if the mafia don't kill the detective they're just trying to get the townspeople to lynch him. We've seen it before why isn't it plausible now? Your not looking so innocent anymore.:inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh come on Sasaki, if the mafia don't kill the detective they're just trying to get the townspeople to lynch him. We've seen it before why isn't it plausible now? Your not looking so innocent anymore.:inquisitive:

Well look, if Xiahou was a mafioso he had to know doc_beans investigation would reveal him. On the other hand he was the most suspect already, and so he might have gone for the doc_bean lynch. This is more likely I think, but I'd like to here from doc_bean, so I think it should be tied up between Xiahou, don C, and doc_bean. This game is suffering from a severe lack of posting, plus we only have 5 rounds. Remember we lynched 5 straight innocents in Mafia V.


- doc_bean and Sasaki Kojiro
- doc_bean and someone else (Sasaki was just played)
- Kommodus and someone else
- two other people who evaded us like crazy

Look, doc_bean and I can't both be mafia alright? That gives reason for his claim certainly, but I would for sure have sent in the kill pm's and won the game for us after AD was lynched. Either Kommodus and doc_bean were the mafia, or AD and Xiahou were. I think we should tie it up and wait to here from all of these people. I don't like lynching people in endgame with uncertainty.

Vote Count:

Xiahou 2
Don C 2
doc_bean 1

Someone tie it up.

[Reenk Roink]

Look, doc_bean and I can't both be mafia alright? That gives reason for his claim certainly, but I would for sure have sent in the kill pm's and won the game for us after AD was lynched.

No Sasaki, this is only what one would expect from you. You have on many an occasion, done the unexpected.


Vote Count:

Xiahou 2
Don C 2
doc_bean 1

Someone tie it up.

No, I will not. Why are you shedding your support for the guy you were convinced of just a day before? You didn't do that with Kage even though after a couple rounds of not getting killed, he sure looked suspicious too.

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No Sasaki, this is only what one would expect from you. You have on many an occasion, done the unexpected.

It's not that it's unexpected, it's that it is foolish. Why would I pass up a chance at winning? Your more the one to go for a coup.




No, I will not. Why are you shedding your support for the guy you were convinced of just a day before? You didn't do that with Kage even though after a couple rounds of not getting killed, he sure looked suspicious too.

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

I'm not shedding my support. It just struck me that the fact that no one was killed is quite interesting, and if doc_bean were mafia he would be forced to kill no one. I still think it's more likely Xiahou figured that out, my vote would be one him (it would be a lynch vote btw) if I didn't want to tie it up to here what doc_bean has to say, not only about his absence but about what his investigation result was. If I'm mafia then doc_bean has to be mafia, are you suggesting that, in addition to abandoning a wagon on an innocent I am now voting for my mafia partner?

[Caius]

Unvote:DonC

vote:Sasaki


for my mafia partner
:inquisitive:


Look, doc_bean and I can't both be mafia alright?
Why not?All have a chance to be mafia

[Xiahou]

Either Kommodus and doc_bean were the mafia, or AD and Xiahou were. I think we should tie it up and wait to here from all of these people. I don't like lynching people in endgame with uncertainty.I don't understand why the rebel slate is either Kommodus and Doc or AD and I... What about AD/DonC, AD/Doc or even Kommodus/DonC? I find the last possibility to be quite tantalizing actually- what with Kommodus & Don going after each other over whether or not to lynch veterans or noobs, ect. However, I don't really believe it since AD virtually confessed before his demise.

The only real possibilities are Doc or Don. If it is Doc, he made a truly brilliant stroke by actually declaring 2 innocents to actually be innocent in his reveal, since it gained him immediate believers/allies in the two that he "investigated". OTOH, we may have DonC as a rebel with a more orthodox MO and Doc as a legitimate praetor. I could be wrong, but I don't see Doc as being that big a risk taker as a rebel (hats off if you are), so I'm sticking with DonC as my choice. Regardless, a vote for me is a vote for a rebel win.. not that anyone will believe me- but I told ya so nonetheless. :yes:

EDIT:
Why not?All have a chance to be mafiaThey can't both be rebels, or else the game would've been over by now. The only logical choices are myself, DonC, and Doc.

Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

[doc_bean]

Don is the poison needle killer

vote: Don

Still got family matters to attend to, haven't read the posts of the last (2 ?) days, but Sir Moody sent me a wonderful PM.

[Sir Moody]

Voting closed

[Sir Moody]

Well once again we have another draw between Don C and Sasaki since this is the last round i will open voting again - you can only vote for Don or Sasaki and the dead can vote - lets get this over :help:

[Caius]

Vote:Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ahhh you silly people. Vote:DonC

Well played Don, you seemed quite innocent.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Sasaki

So you don't believe doc_bean? You realize if I'm mafia he's mafia and the game would have been over last round.

[Caius]

Possible Mafia's (starting from most plausible to least plausible):

- doc_bean and Sasaki Kojiro
- doc_bean and someone else (Sasaki was just played)
- Kommodus and someone else
- two other people who evaded us like crazy
More posibitiles than those.

[Ituralde]

Vote: Don Corleone

Either it's him or we have been played so bad that there's no point in trying to get out of it now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Evidence please?

Vote: Sasaki

Doc, I believe you but I want to see Sir Moody's PM.

[Don Corleone]

Ahhh you silly people. Vote:DonC

Well played Don, you seemed quite innocent.

I don't know what you're talking about. I've missed quite a bit with New Year's and being on the road with family and all, but I hope to catch up tonight. If you guys need a convenient lynch, by all means, lynch me. But let me ask you this.... if Doc Bean was the detective, he's had 2 days to investegate Xiahou and I... why hasn't he?

But alas, it looks like voting is over already anyway. I hope I don't get WOG'd.

[Dutch_guy]

Vote:Sasaki

You do realise you're dead, don't you ? ~:)

Watching this with interest guys, quite the end game.

:balloon2:

[Reenk Roink]

Don is the poison needle killer

vote: Don

Still got family matters to attend to, haven't read the posts of the last (2 ?) days, but Sir Moody sent me a wonderful PM.

If you had named anyone else guilty I would have have jumped on your guiltyness, but I was targeting Don the entire time. You confuse me more man...

Don C is my prime suspect (I still don't rule out the possibility of Sasaki, doc_bean, or others, but Don is number one).

Why you may ask?

He has played a brilliant game if I am right, that's all I have to say. Very smart guy...

I have my reasons that I will reveal in time, but just be sure, I know information that is not available to some others.

I do want to see the PM though doc_bean... :stare:

For now:

Vote: Don Corleone

Sorry Don, the PM's were a really good attempt to play me...

[Caius]

You do realise you're dead, don't you ? ~:)

Watching this with interest guys, quite the end game.

:balloon2:
Have i to quote Sir Moiody?

the dead can vote, Flavius

[Craterus]

Vote: Don Corleone

[Dutch_guy]

Have i to quote Sir Moiody?

the dead can vote, Flavius

Ack ! Now that's new, completely passed me by.

Thanks for mentioning though Caius, now on to voting !

PS: Moody, when does the voting period end, I really need to re-read this thread.

:balloon2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't know what you're talking about. I've missed quite a bit with New Year's and being on the road with family and all, but I hope to catch up tonight. If you guys need a convenient lynch, by all means, lynch me. But let me ask you this.... if Doc Bean was the detective, he's had 2 days to investegate Xiahou and I... why hasn't he?

But alas, it looks like voting is over already anyway. I hope I don't get WOG'd.

He's had one day, and he investigated you and found you guilty.


Evidence please?

Vote: Sasaki

Doc, I believe you but I want to see Sir Moody's PM.

If you believe doc then why vote me :dizzy2:

[doc_bean]

Don


Guilty - he is the poison needle killer

EDIT: forgot to add vote:Don

[GeneralHankerchief]

If you believe doc then why vote me :dizzy2:

Keeping it tied.

A strategy you've done far too many times to seem jittery, but doc's evidence satisfies me.

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Don Corleone

[Caius]

Unvote, Sasaki

Vote DonC

[Xiahou]

Vote: DonC
He played it pretty well- acting very closely in behavior to how he plays when innocent.

[Sir Moody]

Voting Closed Stand by for execution

[Sir Moody]

Csar looked around the senate chamber. The few remaining Senators had been reinforced by the families of dead Senators and the vote was in. "Senators and esteemed Family members you have chosen Senator Caput capitis Insurgo, known as Don Corleone, to be executed. I hope you are right friends as any mistakes will cost us the Republic! Guards take him!"
As the Guards moved on Insurgo he became quite distressed. He began muttering and shaking his head. Worried about what he may do the guards encircled him and stayed back. Suddenly without warning Insurgo Drew a long needle and lunged at the closest guard skewering him with the needle. As the guard fell, already foaming at the moath as the poison took hold; Insurgo grabbed the fallen galdius and charged at Csar! The unarmed Consul would have surely died except that Senator Medicus, known as Doc_Bean and the current Praetor, reacted with lightning speed diving into Insurgo and wrestling him to the ground.
Even Medicus didn’t notice when Insurgo, now resigned to the failure of himself and his Partner Morsus Anas (AggonyDuck), stabbed himself with a tiny needle. He was dead instantly as the needle was coated with a much more powerful and painless toxin.
"Friends" proclaimed Csar "We have saved the republic from these traitors’ plans, if ever it was needed this proves the value of our system and that democracy works! We must now begin the process of rebuilding the senate and electing a new Consul but for today, at least, go rest and be merry - we have won!!"

In the following years the senate would be rebuilt and the perilous rebellion to be would be forgotten. Consul Csar would remain in office for 3 years and then would retire. His body was found not long afterwards in a alley with the words " nos ero tergum" written in blood on the walls. He was remembered as one of the greatest consuls of the age. While the rebellion failed the lessons it taught were not forgotten and many years later another rebel would use these lessons to successfully overthrow the senate and seize power proclaiming himself Emperor and changing Rome forever...


Senate Victory

Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Csar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Xiahou

Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
JimBob
Craterus

Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus
AggonyDuck (Rebel)
Don Corleone (Rebel)

Suicide
Proletariat

Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope


A write up of my thoughts on this game will be posted later - I’m at work now and cant spare the time for anymore than this. Though i will say I think Sasaki was right at the beginning - the detective is too powerful if I host another game I will probably not have a detective.

[Caius]

Nice game this!

Waiting for Interficio Quod Scrupulosa II!

[Craterus]

Good job, well played.

[Kommodus]

Nice job, guys! :2thumbsup:

Kudos are in order for:

1. Sir Moody for a game well-hosted. The theme was solid and well-narrated.

2. The successful senators and their Praetor, doc_bean. Your detective work was invaluable to the success of the good guys this time. You picked a good time to reveal and did it in a convincing fashion.

3. The rebels, Doc Corleone and AggonyDuck. You played a good game, and I'm convinced you would've won if it hadn't been for the detective. I had AggonyDuck figured out after round 3, but I gotta admit, Don Corleone had me fooled! :embarassed: (I actually suspected Xiahou after the third round.)

I apologize for my wierd stunt at the beginning. Like I said, I just wanted to try something different. No hard feelings, eh?

Looking forward to the next game...

[AggonyDuck]

I don't really have much to comment on. Most of the thinking and killing was handled by Don and he did an excellent job at it. For me the problem was the darn voting. Couldn't convince myself of anyone being guilty when I knew I was guilty and it did show in my votes. I must say I prefer the role of villager over mafioso, simple because you don't have to live with the constant fear of doing something wrong and being discovered. Not a pleasant experience at all, but hey atleast I didn't have to lie once about my innocence. :2thumbsup:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Woo, I survived again.

Really well played Don. You matched your previous play perfectly.

And doc_bean, you saved the day with your detective work. I thought I was going to be lynched that round and had planned on claiming detective and accusing AD which would have been pretty messy.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I apologize for my wierd stunt at the beginning. Like I said, I just wanted to try something different. No hard feelings, eh?

Looking forward to the next game...

I'm just glad we won without you and that you didn't see through Don either :sweatdrop:



Btw Don and AD, what was your guys strategy behind not killing anyone last round?

I do think this game shows that the detective is too powerful in these games. Either that or we need more mafia.

[Caius]

A quiestion of a newbie:

What happened if the detective were killed for the mafia?He (or She) cant reveal the investigation?

[doc_bean]

A write up of my thoughts on this game will be posted later - I’m at work now and cant spare the time for anymore than this. Though i will say I think Sasaki was right at the beginning - the detective is too powerful if I host another game I will probably not have a detective.

We only barely made it, it was pure luck I didn't get killed earlier and that Sasaki and Reenk were still alive AND that they hadn't sent in their kills in time last round.
I feel this game was pretty balanced.

Good game all, sorry for giving you such a hard time Kommodus !

[Dutch_guy]

Ack Don, why kill me so irritatingly early on in the game - I actually liked surviving in those other mafia games, you know ~;)

By the way, why the needle ?

:balloon2:

[Kommodus]

Good game all, sorry for giving you such a hard time Kommodus !

No prob, bro. I actually only acted like I really didn't want to be lynched. All part of the (ill-conceived) plan, ya know. :dizzy2:


What happened if the detective were killed for the mafia?He (or She) cant reveal the investigation?

Once the detective is dead, they can't reveal their role or the results of their investigations. All the information they gathered dies with them.

[Xiahou]

What if Doc had been a rebel? Am I alone in thinking that it would've been a stroke of brilliance for an impostor to cement his credibility by declaring two actual innocents innocent?


We only barely made it, it was pure luck I didn't get killed earlier and that Sasaki and Reenk were still alive AND that they hadn't sent in their kills in time last round.
I feel this game was pretty balanced.I agree. I think a convincing counter-claim would've probably gotten you (and the impostor) lynched and tainted the results of any of your investigations. As close as the game was, I think the senate would've easily lost in that case. That's not to criticize the rebels (well played guys), as they were clearly working their own angle- one that nearly worked too. If they would've had just a bit of luck and killed you early on, they would've walked away with this.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What if Doc had been a rebel? Am I alone in thinking that it would've been a stroke of brilliance for an impostor to cement his credibility by declaring two actual innocents innocent?

I think it would have been too risky. Usually the mafia can be counted on to take a less risky strategy. I thought Kommodus was bold enough to try something daring, but I was wrong (I really should have seen through that after being convinced Sigurd was mafia for most of TGF2 when he tried something similar). The mafia could probably have counted on winning by lynching me that round so doc_bean claiming as a rebel would be an unnecessary risk. AggonyDuck should have counterclaimed though, but then he doesn't like lying so there you have it.


I agree. I think a convincing counter-claim would've probably gotten you (and the impostor) lynched and tainted the results of any of your investigations. As close as the game was, I think the senate would've easily lost in that case. That's not to criticize the rebels (well played guys), as they were clearly working their own angle- one that nearly worked too. If they would've had just a bit of luck and killed you early on, they would've walked away with this.

Heck, if they had just killed doc_bean last night they would have walked away with it. You were going to be lynched and not don. Sorry about that btw, he seemed perfectly innocent.

[Reenk Roink]

First of all, much thanks to Sir Moody for this great game. It was under promoted and coincided with Christmas time, so it didn't get the exposure or posts, but I can't think of a better themed game. :balloon2:

Well done to our rebels too, Don and Ducky. You played it real cool till the end. :2thumbsup:

Sorry to Kommodus and doc_bean the most. I suspected you both the most. Kommodus because of his ultimatum and doc cause I'm paranoid. In the end I only put suspicion on you to get info from Don though, so it worked out.

I'll write more later when I read some writeups, but thanks to all for a great game... :bow:

[Csargo]

My role was boring.

[Sir Moody]

My role was boring.

would have been less boring if youd maybe sent me PM's with the execution methods rather than leaving it all to me and sitting their like a lemon :evilgrin:

[AggonyDuck]

I believe Don missing the kills was unintentional. The last I heard of him he was planning to kill doc_bean, but it seems as if New Year kinda ruined it for him.

[Csargo]

would have been less boring if youd maybe sent me PM's with the execution methods rather than leaving it all to me and sitting their like a lemon :evilgrin:

Well damn. I forgot I was supposed to PM you. Would have been way more fun for me to do that then sit around like a lump.:sweatdrop:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I believe Don missing the kills was unintentional. The last I heard of him he was planning to kill doc_bean, but it seems as if New Year kinda ruined it for him.

That's a shame, he deserved a win.

[Sir Moody]

Pre-Start
Using the D&D virtual dice (check the wizards website) Don Corleone and AggonyDuck were selected as Rebels. These weren't bad choices, Don has never been mafia and tends to run a fine line with suspicion which if he can maintain the posting style he should slip by under the radar, Aggony is a generally consistent player so should do well.
Next Csar was chosen as Consul - this should be fun Csars crazy posting style should make for some good executions, plus he cant try to bandwagon sasaki too.
Last Doc_bean was chosen as Praetor - I think this will be a chancy role for him to pull off, he tends to hide in the background most games and so avoids some attention but eventually he may end up being target for a lynching and with no Legatas a reveal will be his end.

night phase 1

Don Contacts me via a PM and asks me to give him my email - which i promptly do. He choses both targets tonight as AggonyDuck is busy.


-I would like to kill Crazed Rabbit as follows: Romans used to go to the baths every day. I'd like Crazed Rabbit to stay back, enjoying the steam room by himself. When he does, I will slink into the room in the shadows. I'll come up behind him with a very thin but strong leather cord and garrote him.

-I would like to kill Masy as follows: At the opening of the senate, Masy will be walking in in a large crowd. Many of his fellow senators will pass him by, too many faces to count. In the midst of the crowd, I'll keep out of view but poke him in the back of the neck, with a poison laced needle by patting him on the back, so that as he takes his seat, he'll notice a welt raising in the back of his neck. Then, he'll begin to shake uncontrollably, will froth, have a seizure and die, on the senate floor.


well not bad kill methods gives me plenty to work with.
First Crazed Rabbit... well i cant call him that directly ill need a name. After using my Latin Dictionary i go with "Fatum Rodent" or "Doomed Rodent"... well actually its "Fate Rabbit" but its close enough and looks ok. Next i add a distraction to explain how he doesnt see the killer - perfect.
Next Comes Masy - well Masy isnt too bad a name but lets add something to it - "Venenum Masy" or "Poision Masy" - otherwise ill pretty much leave the kill as is.

Doc_Bean investigates Dutch_guy

Kommodus is cooking up a storm with his proclemation - i doubt he wil llast long after that...

Day 1

Oh hell, my spelling is awful and trust sasaki to bring it up...

Well somehow Kommodus has escaped the noose this time and Reenk and Ituralde are tied - its certain Reenk will survive he is a veteran while Ituralde is new..

Tie 1

Wow a flurry of postings and initailly it looks like Reenk is done for but it slowly turns around and moves towards a draw. with so few players and with the holdiays aproaching i cant let this draw out so if they draw ill have to kill them both - not a good start...

General Hankerchief tries to start a no-lynch party - again i cant let this draw out so ill let everyone know that no-lynch isnt an option and a draw will end up in both being executed - that should force people to pick one but you never know...

Ituralde did a good thing - very selfless - since Csar hasnt sent me anything ill let him off easy with a Noble Suicide - the Romans would have approved.

Night Phase 2

AggonyDuck sends in the first kill

I'd like to kill Kagemusha in a public urinal by slitting his throat and then dropping a note on parchment beside him with "Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit" written on it. I'll leave it for the senators to figure out what it means.


well i cant call him Kagemusha so out comes the dictionary again - "Compleo Vir" or "to fill up Man" - not very good Latin but ironic as he will die relieving himself. I dont like this note idea either - paper was quite rare and its too subtle - Blood on the walls is much better.

While im waiting for Don Proletariat asks to be suicided - well ive written a kill for Aggony duck ill have to work it into Dons kill.

Don Sends me a warning that csar is attmepting to break the rules by asking the detective to contact him - I make a quick reply...

After the warning he sends the kill;

I'd like to kill Dutch_Guy as follows: He'll be entering the Hippodrome, to watch the chariot races. When he enters, he'll be in a throng of people, all pushing to get in. I'll sneak up, unseen, and another poison needle, this time poked into his shoulder, while I'm reaching through the crowd, so he can't see me.


Well working Proletariat into the kill wont be too hard her name is very latin like so no need to modify - Dutch_guy on the other hand... im stumped here, he has a name in Latin above his portrait so ill use that.

Doc_Bean investigates Reenk Roink - a good choice he has been acting odd

Day 2

sasaki is striahgt off the bat and onto Komm - wow he is lightning quick on those bandwagons :laugh4:

GeneralHankerChief and his guts nail AggonyDuck - wow im not going to argue with his gut in the future he hits the nail dead on... Aggony is able to sweet talk his way out tho.

Sasaki is like a dog with a bone - he just wont let go he and Kommodus need a bucket of cold water thrown over each other wow are they vicious

and now Sasaki for no aparant reason is throwing his vote to generalH ... odd even for Sas

Ciaus has made a really silly mistake - hes new so i can understand it but this line will get him in trouble later on if not now

I am still surprised why i am not dead.

yup i was right General jumps on him almost imediatly he can probably get more people to follow along

there sasaki goes with the spelling again... ill have to write a nasty kill just for him - revenge will be sweet oh yes...

well that was fun - within a few hours Ciaus has been bandwagoned, he even voted for himself, both Rebels avoided the Bandwagon...

Csar still hasnt sent a execution method in so its up to me again - since he voted for himself ill make it pretty nasty with a touch of roman mercy as hes plainly off his rocker...

Night phase 3

Don gets back really quickly

We want to catch Peasant Phil in a whorehouse. We'll sneak into his room, strangle him with a cord, and on the wall, leave the grafiti "No inquiro de iste necio". (In English, don't ask about that which you do not know).

We want to use the poison needle trick on General Hankerchief. When he sits on his chair at the forum, he will sit on a needle. He'll shout, point to it, then froth, convulse and collapse.



Well Peasant Phill will need renaming - Paganus (Peasant in Latin) - other wise only need a few tweaks here and there.

Again General hankerchief needs renaming - wish i hadnt started this now - ok Imperator Tela or "General Cloth" should do

AggonyDuck contacts me to correct Dons Latin phrase

"No inquira de iste neci".

Doc_bean investigates Sasaki - again a good choice

Ill post these early as its the office party and i dont want to have to play with them later on

Day 3

The party went well and i didnt drink too much, didnt miss much either the kommodus wagon finally left the station - i was begining to think he would survive despite his early statements...

Aggony Votes for Sas and Don Absteins - they are doing a good job of hiding under the radar so far.

once again csar doesnt send me anything so i write the entire thing - kommodus will be Indubitanter Peto which is "Confident without Doubts" sums him up perfectly i think... - i wrath Destroyer as he has only made one post since the start...

Since the holidays are starting ill make this an extra long Night Phase as poeple wont be paying attention over the holidays

Night 4

oh wow Sas - the main proponent in the Kommodus bandwagon actually asks him if he found anything... yeah right like he will actually anwser that...

Don sends me the targets

We'd like to kill Craterus and JimBob this time. JimBob will be reading in a library and strangled. The blood-written grafiti will read : Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc. (It means we gladly feast on those that would subjugate us, it's actually the motto of the Addams family. ;-) ). We'd like to poison needle Craterus. I think in this case, we will put the needle in the cushion of his litter. When he's on his way to a party, he climbs into his litter and sits on it, his mistress left to panic while he convules and dies in her arms. Hope you both had a Merry Christmas and I wish you a Happy New Year.

both good kills - i change Jimbobs name to be "Novus Caro" or "Fresh Meat" since hes releivly new.

Doc_Bean investigates Craterus - oh well strange choice and fruitless in this case - and asks if he can reveal during the night phase - i reply he can but he never does

Unfortunatly just as im posting the kills im hit with a Powercut for 6 hours... joy ill protpone this till tommorow

Day 4

Doc starts his reveal this will probably spell the end for the rebles as only 3 un-investigated possibles will remain - theres still hope and they had a good run if they can both survive this round they have won

Damn... Sasaki nails Aggony in a way no-one can argue with hes a goner but he tries to defend Don by proclaiming his guilt pretty much - it will be a 50/50 toss in the final round

sigh and now Reenk is brining up my spelling - yes it sucks i know and spell checkers are made in the US they mainly dont use british spelling...

Ill call Aggony "Morsus Anas" which means "painful Duck (anas is the Scientific name for a duck)"

night 5

Doc_bean gos straight for Don this time - it wont matter as Don should kill him

its time to post and don hasnt contacted me... i feel bad doing this but ill have to post no kills and open for voting

Day 5
damn within an hour Don sends me his kills

Doc_Bean: Please have him strangled when he is trying to book passage on a ship to flee the city. The quote should be:A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

Sasaki: Please have him be the recipient of the poison needle. Perhaps we could put in in his pillow at night.


good kills shame it wont happen that way...

Doc hasnt posted yet and its looking good Don may just clinch it - Sasaki keeps claiming if there were two mafia the game would be over... says who? id play it this far even if aggony was still alive to see if they could pull a total victory off... i guess i just like playing with you all...

damn doc posted at the last second its a draw - don is doomed its over.

Well ill call Don "Caput capitis Insurgo" or "Head Rebel" and Doc_bean will be "Medicus" or "Doctor". Since csar never sent me anything ill get him killed too along with the words "we will be back" in latin - that will teach him

Final thoughts

Well it was a good game while it lasted - would have been better if not over the holiday period and with more people but not much i could have done there...

one thing ive learned is to fear Sasaki - hes a one man whirlwind of accusations and crazy posts - its a real headache to try and follow his posts when you already know who is guilty - he really throws himself full on into an attack with little or no evidence, and once hes started he wont let go...

Don managed to beat Kommodus too which shows his method isnt fool proof - thats good it was beginning to look bad with komm able to pick out the mafia with seemingly nothing to go on i think dons game was damn near perfect - had the detective not cleared reenk and sasaki he would have survived as they dueled it out

well ive had my fun - now whos hosting the next game :evilgrin:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

ah, so he was only one hour late.

Sorry about the spelling thing Sir moody. Got me all confused there round 2. Nice write up.

[Don Corleone]

And we would have gotten away with it to, if it wasn't for you meddling kids....


:laugh4:

First and foremost, a great game by everyone. Kudos to Sir Moody for a great theme and a well-run game. Also to my great partner, AggonyDuck, who helped save me from one or two rather large blunders. And most of all, a big thank-you and apology to Reenk Roink. Reenk, I was terrified when I got picked as mafia. I usually play very edgy, acting affronted over everything, to see who miffs up. Pretty hard to do when you're trying to wear a poker face at the same time. I knew you were playing in role, and I actually got a hoot out of it. But I couldn't act like that. You gave me the chance of a lifetime... a chance to act like my usual cantankerous self and remove myself from the suspects list, because I started a crusade against you. I hope there's no hard feelings.

Now, I apologize to everyone for my poor end of game play. I thought we had you. I thought me being the 2nd to go for AggonyDuck would make me look free and clear. I had to travel to North Carolina to visit my wife's family for the New Year. I figured no problem, I'll have my trusty laptop. Then, one disaster after another. First my flight got delayed 8 hours. Then my laptop enacted a security protocol that wouldn't let me use any network other than my work one. :oops: :oops: :oops: Talk about chomping at the bit. Anyway, I just got home to New Hampshire. Thank you everyone for a great game.

Oh, P.S. Xiahou... thank you for the Latin quote. I loved it. Peasant Phil being the first to point it out was like winning the lottery. No hard feelings, old friend? :shakehands:

And Sasaki... talk about making somebody paranoid. You never mentioned me as a suspect once, which had me convinced I was top of your list in private.

And Kommodus... thanks for the early Christmas present. You gave me 2 rounds of posts, essentially about nothing, to build my credibility.

I hope I had you all guessing and I played the mafia role well. Without the technical glitches... well, who knows. :devil:

[Caius]

MY NAME IS CAIUS, NOT CIAUS!

Vote:Sir Moody

:laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And Sasaki... talk about making somebody paranoid. You never mentioned me as a suspect once, which had me convinced I was top of your list in private.


Nope. I figured Kommodus for mafia first round. Reenk was roleplaying and you were being classically paranoid. I figured you both for innocent. Round two I got confused about who was writing the kills and how and briefly thought it was caius. Round three I went for Kommodus figuring AD or doc_bean was the 2nd. When the game wasn't over after AD's lynch I thought it was Xiahou. You weren't on my radar in the slightest :embarassed:

Well played :yes:

[Csargo]

Sir Moody sorry about never PMing you I completely forgot I was supposed too.

[Kommodus]

Nice write-up, Sir Moody! :2thumbsup:


And Kommodus... thanks for the early Christmas present. You gave me 2 rounds of posts, essentially about nothing, to build my credibility.

No problem, Don! *salutes* Ya know, towards the end I was kinda hoping the mafia would win. Keep in mind, though, I'm gonna remember this; that is to say:

Someday, and that day may never come, I will ask a favor of you... (j/k)

You really did play a very good game. :yes: I ran one numerical analysis during the course of the game - right after round 3 ended. Ya looked clean up to that point. I never bothered to re-check. :embarassed:

[Xiahou]

Oh, P.S. Xiahou... thank you for the Latin quote. I loved it. Peasant Phil being the first to point it out was like winning the lottery. No hard feelings, old friend? :shakehands: I decided to use that quote as my own meager attempt to add some flavor to the game. I was inspired by Reenk's speech, but lacked the time or patience to devote to something that well written. I realized that it might garner me some suspicion, but I decided I would stick with it regardless.


When the game wasn't over after AD's lynch I thought it was Xiahou.What made me suspicious, was it just the quote? I have little doubt that I would've been lynched had Doc not chimed in- the votes were clearly lining up against me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What made me suspicious, was it just the quote? I have little doubt that I would've been lynched had Doc not chimed in- the votes were clearly lining up against me.

No, I didn't find you very suspicious at all. But Don was clearly innocent :sweatdrop:

I did think you would be clever enough to try some gambit like not killing anyone to make doc_bean look guilty. And there was that "nice work senator sasaki" think when AggonyDuck was being lynched.

[Ituralde]

I really enjoyed this game, being my first Mafia game. The setting was superb and the game well moderated. Although it irked my that the two people role-playing according to the setting were standing on trial in the first round. I may have to investigate my behaviour for the next Mafia game to see how I can avoid something like that.

I had planned to pay attention to the game despite my demise but the holidays were too distracting so in the end I was left with hardly any clue and had to stick with doc_bean.

Nice game all around and I'm already looking forward to my next game.

[Caius]

Thats my first game too.I liked it, the theme and how its played.When I joined, I red the rules many times, because I dont understood them, but I 'follow the others', when they voted, I too.

The Xiahou problem was he started to use a quote when the mafia used it in the kills.

I voted he at the start of the second votation, but I voted he because i wanted he to talk, but my ****** phase arruinated all.:wall: