Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 4

Andres

03-01-2007, 11:43

It troubles me when I see some of you (CountArach in particular) accepting Kommodus' results and following his suggestions blindly. Kommodus has abused his own system once when he was mafia and it failed once in another game. He's also an experienced player who knows what to do when he is a townie, but who also knows very well what to do when he is mafia. His system is useful and has been succesful in the past and therefore can be a good indication, but you should add some of your own reasoning when voting. Just accepting it without giving your own thoughts on why you vote a particular player makes yourself suspicious and makes me wonder if you are not trying to hide behind somebody else's logic.

As long as the detective doesn't reveal (let's hope he's still alive), you can't trust nobody in this game, so blindly believing Kommodus is a) bad idea or b) you are scum and take advantage of not being on his list or c) you are scum and you companion is Kommodus

Allthough I am suspicious about Kommodus, he is very useful when playing pro-town, so I suggest we don't lynch him for now. I am just wondering about his further explanation about his change of attitude and I am eager to see how he develops further in the game.

I was saying that Sasaki always looks guilty, and thats nothing new... I was not saying that he was guilty, just normal...

Hmmm, well, Ichigo wasn't the only one who interpreted your post as that you were thinking Sasaki was suspicious and guilty in your opinion.

Why didn't you vote him? Did you post "he looks guilty" just to make you look like the helpfull townie? If you thought he was guilty, you should have been consequent and voted him. If it was just a general statement, like "Sasaki is always suspicious, you are never really sure about him", you should have said so and you should have stated clearly that you didn't have a clue. Or where you hoping to look innocent, meanwhile avoiding to cast the 'killing' vote on Sasaki (IIRC I had 3 votes and he had 4 at that time)? If you didn't have a clue, you could have voted me, creating a tie, resulting in more discussion and more clues to decide on.

:inquisitive:

Vote : Byzantine Knight

Accusing somebody without voting + casting an accusation without any good reason and quickly withdrawing the accusation when questioned instead of elaborating.

Oh, and I would like an explanation from Dutch_guy. Why have you been lurking throughout the game, posting every now and than but without voting? I know lurking is a habit for you, as I've noticed it in previous games, but the non voting seems a bit odd.

And I would like to know why CR has been ignoring this thread. I noticed some posts of you in other threads, so the claim of real life making it impossible to post here is not 100 % convincing.

ByzantineKnight

03-01-2007, 12:27

Hmmm, well, Ichigo wasn't the only one who interpreted your post as that you were thinking Sasaki was suspicious and guilty in your opinion.

Why didn't you vote him? Did you post "he looks guilty" just to make you look like the helpfull townie? If you thought he was guilty, you should have been consequent and voted him. If it was just a general statement, like "Sasaki is always suspicious, you are never really sure about him", you should have said so and you should have stated clearly that you didn't have a clue. Or where you hoping to look innocent, meanwhile avoiding to cast the 'killing' vote on Sasaki (IIRC I had 3 votes and he had 4 at that time)? If you didn't have a clue, you could have voted me, creating a tie, resulting in more discussion and more clues to decide on.

:inquisitive:

Vote : Byzantine Knight

Accusing somebody without voting + casting an accusation without any good reason and quickly withdrawing the accusation when questioned instead of elaborating.

I never accused Sasaki of anything, thats what I was trying to say in my last post, I was just commenting on the fact that no one stuck out (except Sasaki who always does).

And what do you mean I didn't elaborate? I explained to all of you that I wasn't saying Sasaki is a mafia, just that he 'stuck out' (a phrase which in my vocabulary that means draws alot of suspicion, not necessarily guilty)

I'm sorry for bad phrasing of my sentences... :shame:

Andres

03-01-2007, 12:35

I never accused Sasaki of anything, thats what I was trying to say in my last post, I was just commenting on the fact that no one stuck out (except Sasaki who always does).

And what do you mean I didn't elaborate? I explained to all of you that I wasn't saying Sasaki is a mafia, just that he 'stuck out' (a phrase which in my vocabulary that means draws alot of suspicion, not necessarily guilty)

I'm sorry for bad phrasing of my sentences... :shame:

Hmmm... Sounds reasonable. The confusion might indeed have been caused by misinterpretation of your english.

Unvote : Byzantine Knight

Well, CR, you didn't post alot in here while you were active in other threads. Were your few posts in here just to avoid getting WoG'ed? Trying to lurk your way through victory? Your real life claim isn't convincing, because you participated in other threads. So I would like some decent explanation.

Vote : Crazed Rabbit

Talk to us :whip:

Dutch_guy

03-01-2007, 15:32

I'll wait until the further explanation is offered before passing judgement.

You're perfectly entitled to it, we all are. But don't you think it's a bit too trusty, deciding ones vote solely on what one influential player has to say ? We have all done so at one time or the other in past games, and probably will in future games. But it isn't at all 'fun' if you're at the receiving end. Putting thought into ones vote shouldn't only be a courtesy, it should be a must.

Oh, and I would like an explanation from Dutch_guy. Why have you been lurking throughout the game, posting every now and than but without voting? I know lurking is a habit for you, as I've noticed it in previous games, but the non voting seems a bit odd.

As you said so yourself, it's me being me. However, now I have to change, abstaining is not allowed anymore, and I will therefor have to carefully consider my next vote.

:balloon2:

Kommodus

03-01-2007, 16:05

Well, as it's tomorrow here (here at least), I think an explanation is in order .

I haven't been posting a lot this game, a fact, and since your suspicion of me is quite new, my last two or three posts would have done it for you one would say. So what bothered you enough those last two or three posts, in which I tried to express my view on the game, to warrant a vote ?

It wasn't your last two or three posts. It was a review of all your posts from the beginning of the game. Dutch_guy, you've been flying under the radar for most of the game. You've even stayed close enough to your baseline statistical behavior to avoid attention from Holmes. But when I look over everything you've said, I get the impression (fairly strongly) of someone who's being evasive. We're coming to the end of the game - probably a mere two lynches left by my count - and you don't seem to have made any strong statements about anyone yet. Most of the time when you have posted something substantial it's been in defense of yourself.

I've had a feeling for a long time that at least one of our mafiosi is quite an experienced player. It's probably someone who's a story-writing type but isn't known as such. With most of our experienced players killed off, you're one of the only remaining players who fits that bill.

Part of it also had to do with the process of elimination. Most of the other players feel more townish to me when I review their statements. You, on the other hand...

These things combined make me strongly suspect you. And don't bother claiming detective - if you really were you'd have claimed already.

Allthough I am suspicious about Kommodus, he is very useful when playing pro-town, so I suggest we don't lynch him for now. I am just wondering about his further explanation about his change of attitude and I am eager to see how he develops further in the game.

And you. Don't imagine I'm not still suspicious of you, friend. This statement makes me even more so. Everyone knows I'm an asset to the town (as long as I'm the town's side, of course), so keeping me alive is a fine idea - early in the game. When you're down to your last two (three at most) lynches, and there are still probably two mafia alive, it's not a good idea at all.

Other people are pointing out ByzantineKnight and Stig. They may be right, but if I had to choose two mafia right now I'd go with Dutch_guy and AndresTheCunning. :yes:

Andres

03-01-2007, 16:31

And you. Don't imagine I'm not still suspicious of you, friend. This statement makes me even more so. Everyone knows I'm an asset to the town (as long as I'm the town's side, of course), so keeping me alive is a fine idea - early in the game. When you're down to your last two (three at most) lynches, and there are still probably two mafia alive, it's not a good idea at all.

But it would be illogical if your system would all of the sudden exclude me after one extra day I think, so off course you keep suspicious of me.

Can you explain to me what exactly, besides the results of holmes, makes me suspicious in your eyes?

Something that caught my attention: Now that holmes has been questioned and several players have expressed their doubts, you point your finger at someone who has not been detected by it ~:confused:

Anyway, I think CR is mafia and he stays my main suspect.

Besides, wasn't CR on your initial list of suspects? How did he disappear all of the sudden of that list? I think it's suspicious that CR has been lurking all the time, meanwhile posting in several other threads. Is he the silent mafioso, while you are trying to get as many townies lynched as possible? According to you we have two (hopefully 3) lynches left. Two wrong lynches = mafia victory.

I think we should abstract from the holmes results (apparently you don't fully trust those results either) and if somebody is to rely on them, they should consider that Kommodus accuses one person because of the results of holmes and another who hasn't been identified by that same holmes thingy.

If the game doesn't end after CR's death, I will vote you my friend.

Crazed Rabbit

03-01-2007, 17:01

I am telling the truth about the constraints of real life - 2 exams last week, a day of skiing, another exam this week.

Yes, I've posted in other threads, but other threads don't require reading hundreds of posts to get a good read on someone.

Right now, then, I'm going to vote: Dutch_guy.

He seems the best choice right now.

Crazed Rabbit

Andres

03-01-2007, 17:04

He seems the best choice right now.

Crazed Rabbit

Can you explain to us why? The quoted sentence suggests you did read at least a part of the thread to make a decision. Or are you just blindly following (your buddy?) Kommodus?

Dutch_guy

03-01-2007, 17:05

He seems the best choice right now.

For reasons posted by Kommodus I assume ?

:balloon2:

Stig

03-01-2007, 17:08

For reasons posted by Kommodus I assume ?

:balloon2:

:laugh4:

Crazed Rabbit

03-01-2007, 17:14

For reasons posted by Kommodus I assume ?

:balloon2:

Because of Kommodus, and because from what I've read, he seems right.

CR

Stig

03-01-2007, 18:24

Unvote: Dutch Guy
Vote: CR

Kommodus hasn't given a good reason against Dutch Guy yet, only a not working program and his intuition

Kommodus

03-01-2007, 18:29

Kommodus hasn't given a reason against Dutch Guy yet

Er, what? Yes I have; go back and read post #764.

Well, as it's tomorrow here (here at least), I think an explanation is in order .

I haven't been posting a lot this game, a fact, and since your suspicion of me is quite new, my last two or three posts would have done it for you one would say. So what bothered you enough those last two or three posts, in which I tried to express my view on the game, to warrant a vote ?
It wasn't your last two or three posts. It was a review of all your posts from the beginning of the game. Dutch_guy, you've been flying under the radar for most of the game. You've even stayed close enough to your baseline statistical behavior to avoid attention from Holmes. But when I look over everything you've said, I get the impression (fairly strongly) of someone who's being evasive. We're coming to the end of the game - probably a mere two lynches left by my count - and you don't seem to have made any strong statements about anyone yet. Most of the time when you have posted something substantial it's been in defense of yourself.

I've had a feeling for a long time that at least one of our mafiosi is quite an experienced player. It's probably someone who's a story-writing type but isn't known as such. With most of our experienced players killed off, you're one of the only remaining players who fits that bill.

Part of it also had to do with the process of elimination. Most of the other players feel more townish to me when I review their statements. You, on the other hand...

These things combined make me strongly suspect you. And don't bother claiming detective - if you really were you'd have claimed already.

EDIT: Ok, I see you've edited your post to clarify what you meant. Never mind then. Though I object to your characterization of my program as "not working" - it's not foolproof but it's been right more than it's been wrong.

Stig

03-01-2007, 18:48

I heard you used it twice, in 1 it didn't work, in the other you were mafia

Kommodus

03-01-2007, 18:57

I heard you used it twice, in 1 it didn't work, in the other you were mafia

Where the heck are you people getting your information...? :dizzy2:

I've used it three times. The first time it worked 100% of the time (2/2). The second time it worked 50% of the time (1/2). The third time I was mafia, and it still worked well enough to find me a mason.

Stig

03-01-2007, 19:05

So for the town it worked
100% + 50% + 0% = 150%
150 / 3 = 50% of the time. Besides as you said yourself people by now know how it works and it's easy to evade it. So imo it doesn't work (well enough to help us)

Crazed Rabbit

03-01-2007, 19:29

Stig, that really doesn't make sense.

I didn't want to be forced to do this, but...
I am not mafia, I am a townie working for the elimination of the mafia and a townie victory. I swear this to be true.

Killing me off only helps the mafia.

Crazed Rabbit

Stig

03-01-2007, 19:44

You seem pretty desperate, afaik it's still a tie

Vote count:
CR 2 (Andres, Stig)
Dutch Guy 2 (Kommo, CR)
Kommo 1 (Kage)

Crazed Rabbit

03-01-2007, 19:52

Kommodus

03-01-2007, 20:00

You seem pretty desperate, afaik it's still a tie

He's not desperate. He's making use of the well-known fact that Crazed Rabbit does not tell outright lies. He does mislead, but not in that way. Not many of us can make such a claim after playing in so many mafia games, but AFAIK he still can.

Even back in Capo, when GH exposed his entire family (the Barzinis), CR owned up to the whole thing immediately. Most other people thought he was using reverse psychology. I knew at once he was telling the plain truth.

Stig, don't take this the wrong way. I still think you're probably clean, and I have no intention of being insulting here. But your logic is a bit flawed.

So for the town it worked
100% + 50% + 0% = 150%
150 / 3 = 50% of the time. Besides as you said yourself people by now know how it works and it's easy to evade it. So imo it doesn't work (well enough to help us)

A. You can't count the game in which I was mafia. That doesn't reflect on the capabilities of the program itself at all.

B. Just because people know how it works doesn't mean they can easily evade it. The art of being mafia is simply the art of acting natural, like a normal townie. Yes, people are getting better at that, which will make it harder for my program, but that doesn't render it useless.

Anyway, the point is moot because I haven't used my program to attack DG. I used my intution, which you doubt (fine), but that doesn't excuse you from gathering your own evidence.

Think about this: who has seemed keen throughout the game to prove that they are acting no different than they always do? That's right, Dutch_guy. Go back and read his posts if you doubt. In many ways he's succeeded, but IMO it's too much of an act.

Dutch_guy

03-01-2007, 20:03

Desperate? You do not understand - when I swear I am not mafia, I am not mafia. I have never, in the numerous games I've played, lied about this, even when it would save me from being lynched. And I am not lying now.

Pointing others on ones good side when faced with death is never a trust gaining act, as you know. However, your lack of play in the sense of actually on the verge of getting WOG'ed and then suddenly acting up when the end is nigh does not help your case. No one likes to die, but it seems here that you have something to lose. You're not the detective, you would have revealed otherwise, and you're behaviour as described above doesn't quite fit the townie role. Let alone the style you've been using since mafia game one. Hence this vote, vote:Crazed Rabbit.

:balloon2:

Dutch_guy

03-01-2007, 20:13

He's not desperate. He's making use of the well-known fact that Crazed Rabbit does not tell outright lies. He does mislead, but not in that way. Not many of us can make such a claim after playing in so many mafia games, but AFAIK he still can.

Even back in Capo, when GH exposed his entire family (the Barzinis), CR owned up to the whole thing immediately. Most other people thought he was using reverse psychology. I knew at once he was telling the plain truth.

As said, using ones Rep. is always good. For instance, I could very well say 'I have never had a bad role' (true, by the by) thus the chance is slim that I have one now. statistically, however, everyone has the same small chance of being a mafioso.

You, however, have every right to disagree, because I could simply lie. Lying isn't hard, especially when it's ones first time - no one would expect it.

Back in Capo, lying was pretty much futile right ? After GH exposed the lot ? So why bother, I'd say, in his situation.

Think about this: who has seemed keen throughout the game to prove that they are acting no different than they always do? That's right, Dutch_guy. Go back and read his posts if you doubt. In many ways he's succeeded, but IMO it's too much of an act.

Ehm, I for one have never sought to prove that I am acting as I did in every other game. You did that for me when you posted your analysis, which I don't trust, but that's just me. I'm saying you gave people that idea, which is fine since it is an opinion. But I'd like to see one of those posts where I act, note Act, that I'm the same as in every other game.

Sorry for the back to back post by the way.

:balloon2:

Kagemusha

03-01-2007, 20:14

Unvote Kommodus and Vote Dutch Guy.I think Rabbit is telling the truth and you are trying to turn the situation against Rabbit and save yourself by voting CR. So is your mafia buddy Kommodus or Stig?

Dutch_guy

03-01-2007, 20:21

Unvote Kommodus and Vote Dutch Guy.I think Rabbit is telling the truth and you are trying to turn the situation against Rabbit and save yourself by voting CR. So is your mafia buddy Kommodus or Stig?

Townies have a will to live also, you know, which is why I don't quite understand your apparant surprise at the fact I'd actually vote Rabbit to save myself. You would have done the same thing and it is to be noted that I would have probably not voted the way you just did under such weak, if you don't mind me saying, pretenses. Would you have acted the same way had say...ByzKnight voted Rabbit in this situation ? I think not, simply because he's harder to lynch with zero votes thus far...

:balloon2:

Kagemusha

03-01-2007, 20:24

Townies have a will to live also, you know, which is why I don't quite understand your apparant surprise at the fact I'd actually vote Rabbit to save myself. You would have done the same thing and it is to be noted that I would have probably not voted the way you just did under such weak, if you don't mind me saying, pretenses. Would you have acted the same way had say...ByzKnight voted Rabbit in this situation ? I think not, simply because he's harder to lynch with zero votes thus far...

:balloon2:

I must disagree with you there my Dutch friend.For townies,death doesnt matter.Mafia members have the constant worry of keeping themselves alive,so your statement just makes my stand stronger,that you are indeed mafioso.:inquisitive:

Dutch_guy

03-01-2007, 20:32

I must disagree with you there my Dutch friend.For townies,death doesnt matter.Mafia members have the constant worry of keeping themselves alive,so your statement just makes my stand stronger,that you are indeed mafioso.:inquisitive:

I clearly remember you defending your life with vigor, not only when you were detective, but outside that also. People don't simply curl up and die because they are townie, that's simply ridiculous in my opinion. It shouldn't be that way, theoretically, as the townie's life is insignificant in comparison to the bigger picture (IE the Town), but it has happened because people simply want to play. Yeah, if the town wins the dead townies win too. Great, I'm sure those lynched wrongly after a heated defense, and those killed in the first round 'll agree...

I have been lynched whilst I was sleeping numerous times now, not being able to defend myself - even though I would have. Well, should all townies be like that, die like that ? I hope not.

:balloon2:

Stig

03-01-2007, 20:34

Kommo defends CR, does that not ring a bell?

think Rabbit is telling the truth and you are trying to turn the situation against Rabbit and save yourself by voting CR.
Erhh, Dutch Guy didn't vote yet

He's making use of the well-known fact that Crazed Rabbit does not tell outright lies.
Why not for this once? Using that as your defense is just plain stupid imo.
"I'm innocent because I never tell lies"
pffft

Mafia members have the constant worry of keeping themselves alive
Go and read CR's post
"No please, don't vote for me, I'm innocent, please nooo, don't kill me, I'm a good guy, please?"

Andres

03-01-2007, 20:41

Unvote Kommodus and Vote Dutch Guy.I think Rabbit is telling the truth and you are trying to turn the situation against Rabbit and save yourself by voting CR. So is your mafia buddy Kommodus or Stig?

Can you explain why you think CR is telling the truth?

It's a fact he has been lurking for most of the game, claiming real life. This last excuse is not convincing, since he has posted in alot of other threads. Just click on his name and chose the option "Find more posts of Crazed Rabbit" and you'll see. He posted frequently in the Midgard Saga, while he claimed he didn't have time to check all the posts in Mafia VI :inquisitive:

Go check the Midgard thread and compare to the amount of posts in here.

About the claims that he never lied in a mafia game, well... This IS mafia, you know, a game of deception, so I don't think we can take that as a convincing argument.

And guess who backed him up on that: Kommodus.

Sorry CR, I am totally not convinced so I'll just stick to my vote and Kommodus is next on my list.

The moment where he started to participate was well chosen and he immediately popped up with 6 suspects on 15 living participants. When holmes gets questioned he eventually accuses somebody who was not detected by it, claiming that that person was keen enough to act totally normal and not suspicious ~:confused:

"Hey, I developped this system to track mafioso. Number one on the list of detected people must be mafioso. The second mafioso must be a guy who wasn't detected by holmes at all". ~:confused:

Did Reenk hack the Kommodus account?

Sorry Kommodus, I don't believe you anymore.

Dutch_guy

03-01-2007, 20:42

Erhh, Dutch Guy didn't vote yet

Kage is right, on that matter, Stig. I voted on the previous page of the thread.

:balloon2:

Kommodus

03-01-2007, 20:44

Ehm, I for one have never sought to prove that I am acting as I did in every other game. You did that for me when you posted your analysis, which I don't trust, but that's just me. I'm saying you gave people that idea, which is fine since it is an opinion. But I'd like to see one of those posts where I act, note Act, that I'm the same as in every other game.

:dizzy2:

The acting comes from the relative infrequency of posting, short posts, nocommital attitudes, etc. I don't think I need to demonstrate that. What I can and will demonstrate is that you are lying in the above message - you have actually been quite intent on making sure that all of us know how consistently you are behaving.

I don't like voting for someone unless I have more than a serious doubt about one's innocence. I simply don't want to risk lynching someone I'd regret lynching later on. Do note I have been doing this since, what, the third mafia game ever?

I do vote, well, I abstain. Unless I find someone to act so strange as to warrant a vote. It's my playstyle, and has gotten me killed in just about every game. I know this, however it is hard to change, even though the solution seems so simple.

Oh, and I would like an explanation from Dutch_guy. Why have you been lurking throughout the game, posting every now and than but without voting? I know lurking is a habit for you, as I've noticed it in previous games, but the non voting seems a bit odd.

As you said so yourself, it's me being me. However, now I have to change, abstaining is not allowed anymore, and I will therefor have to carefully consider my next vote.

And as for this...

Pointing others on ones good side when faced with death is never a trust gaining act, as you know. However, your lack of play in the sense of actually on the verge of getting WOG'ed and then suddenly acting up when the end is nigh does not help your case. No one likes to die, but it seems here that you have something to lose. You're not the detective, you would have revealed otherwise, and you're behaviour as described above doesn't quite fit the townie role. Let alone the style you've been using since mafia game one. Hence this vote, vote:Crazed Rabbit.

An player experienced on these forums like you would know better. You are so guilty it's barely even funny. :rtwno:

Dutch_guy

03-01-2007, 21:18

First of all

What I can and will demonstrate is that you are lying in the above message - you have actually been quite intent on making sure that all of us know how consistently you are behaving.

You used this example:

I don't like voting for someone unless I have more than a serious doubt about one's innocence. I simply don't want to risk lynching someone I'd regret lynching later on. Do note I have been doing this since, what, the third mafia game ever?

I do vote, well, I abstain. Unless I find someone to act so strange as to warrant a vote. It's my playstyle, and has gotten me killed in just about every game. I know this, however it is hard to change, even though the solution seems so simple.

Which was a reply to a question asked by Seamus:

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Why are Dutch and pev' posting so much without making actual votes?

If someone asks something directed at me I tend to answer. I don't see the problem. That said, I can't help the fact you interpretate my post (which yes, is long by my standards) the way you did.

As you said so yourself, it's me being me. However, now I have to change, abstaining is not allowed anymore, and I will therefor have to carefully consider my next vote.

Again, an answer to a question posed by Andres. If you do not find it sufficient, the reply I gave that is, then you should have said so. Not voting, and minor imput, has been my style. I have always defended myself where I could if the situation needed it, sometimes (like the time(s) quoted by you) I refer back to my style of play. So no, I have not been trying to make you all believe my style hasn't changed, because it hasn't, it would be un necessary.

Secondly,

The rule GH has newly enforced, ie abstaining is not allowed anymore, has forced me to change. Sue me.

Do I actually, fully, believe CR is guilty ? A very good question, however, when driven in the position where I have to vote to save myself I chose to re read the few posts he has made here, too few, and decided that if there was a candidate who I'd vote for - he'd be it.

An player experienced on these forums like you would know better.

Come now, Kommodus, such one liners and smilies aren't necessary and don't do your supposed case any good.

Frankly, your posts here kind of reminds me of that time when you so viciously attacked the Moody/Me/Warluster Masonic reveal in...graffiti mafia, was that the game ? You turned out to be mafia back then, and gave yourself away during that day fase. The posting styles seem similar, but then again, I have no program to prove that they are.

Conclusion, you seem to think I'm guilty, and have tried to assert that I'm a liar. On grounds that I have tried to placate the crowds by posting how my style is the same as in other games, however, these posts were answers. Answers to questions, and I have never actively tried to point out how normal I am. You sought to prove otherwise, sought to prove I lied about this, by posting the answers of mine to certain questions. Well, if that's all the proof you can get, an objection is in order.

:balloon2:

Stig

03-01-2007, 21:34

Kage is right, on that matter, Stig. I voted on the previous page of the thread.

:balloon2:
Ah at the end of a line, now I see

GeneralHankerchief

03-01-2007, 22:06

Re: Sasaki's idea of a big 7 game (check back a page or two)

I'd be happy to host it, but after this game's over I'm going to do something different. A few of you have an idea of what it's going to be already.

Voting ends in a little over two hours.

Seamus Fermanagh

03-01-2007, 22:08

Here's what I've been mulling over. I can't decide if either is correct.

Lurker Mafia = CR & DG, trying to spoil the Kommo system by massive under-posting and very limited voting. The system is not as accurate at screening nothing -- all it says is that its abnormal because its not there. Claim RL or whatever and trust in the mafia-game norm for the Gameroom -- active posters turn on one another.

Mutual Hating Society Mafia = AtC & Kommo, carrying on a game-long argument with mutual slings and barbs but never quite pushing the group to lynch one or the other. Helps Kommo, since he doesn't like to lie and doesn't believe he can do it convincingly ... and lets the gamers kill off one another.

Csargo

03-01-2007, 22:23

Vote:Dutch_guy

He's only made one actual vote this entire game and that was this round to try and save himself I might add. Since he already stated that he has a "serious doubt of their innocence" why didn't he vote CR earlier in the game? CR's been post like that with pretty much all of his posts.

I don't like voting for someone unless I have more than a serious doubt about one's innocence. I simply don't want to risk lynching someone I'd regret lynching later on. Do note I have been doing this since, what, the third mafia game ever?

I do vote, well, I abstain. Unless I find someone to act so strange as to warrant a vote. It's my playstyle, and has gotten me killed in just about every game. I know this, however it is hard to change, even though the solution seems so simple.

You answered Seamus question with the first line of that post. There was no need to post the last paragraph, or the last line of the first paragraph.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-01-2007, 22:29

Should be pointed out that lynching a townie is as bad for the town as lynching a mafioso is for the mafia at this point.

Don't particularly find dutch_guy suspicious. Have you run a comparios on his behavior in Graffiti mafia Kommodus?

Dutch_guy

03-01-2007, 22:38

He's only made one actual vote this entire game and that was this round to try and save himself I might add. Since he already stated that he has a "serious doubt of their innocence" why didn't he vote CR earlier in the game? CR's been post like that with pretty much all of his posts.

I know Ichigo, but then again, CR was on the verge of being WOG a long time this game. Plus, I would have probably gotten bandwagoned just because I would have voted, in stead of abstained. Just like is happening now.

You answered Seamus question with the first line of that post. There was no need to post the last paragraph, or the last line of the first paragraph.

I think you can find a lot of posts which could have been written shorter.

:balloon2:

Andres

03-01-2007, 22:48

Vote:Dutch_guy

He's only made one actual vote this entire game and that was this round to try and save himself I might add. Since he already stated that he has a "serious doubt of their innocence" why didn't he vote CR earlier in the game? CR's been post like that with pretty much all of his posts.

He voted because GH said in the last write-up that it wasn't allowed to abstain from now on.

Thus far, BK and CA still have to vote, so I wonder what will happen now.

I don't know about Dutch_guy, but the reasons given by the other "suspicious lurker" CR, weren't satisfying.

Claiming real life while posting in other threads, afterwards stating that he didn't had to pay that much attention in those other threads so that it was 'easier' to post in there, while he also posted in the Midgard Saga where there was very much more to read and check. Nah, I don't buy it.

Add to that the fact that Kommodus was the one backing up CR, while CR was also on his suspect list, not to mention the argumentation to explain why CR should be considered innocent ('he has never lied before in a mafia game' :laugh4: ).

:no:

I think we have our two mafioso now. Let's end this, shall we?

Csargo

03-01-2007, 23:07

I know Ichigo, but then again, CR was on the verge of being WOG a long time this game. Plus, I would have probably gotten bandwagoned just because I would have voted, in stead of abstained. Just like is happening now.

I think you can find a lot of posts which could have been written shorter.

:balloon2:

My point was that there was no need to say that you had been acting as the same as in earlier mafia games. Sorry if I did show that.:wall:

He voted because GH said in the last write-up that it wasn't allowed to abstain from now on.

Thus far, BK and CA still have to vote, so I wonder what will happen now.

I don't know about Dutch_guy, but the reasons given by the other "suspicious lurker" CR, weren't satisfying.

Claiming real life while posting in other threads, afterwards stating that he didn't had to pay that much attention in those other threads so that it was 'easier' to post in there, while he also posted in the Midgard Saga where there was very much more to read and check. Nah, I don't buy it.

Add to that the fact that Kommodus was the one backing up CR, while CR was also on his suspect list, not to mention the argumentation to explain why CR should be considered innocent ('he has never lied before in a mafia game' ).

I think we have our two mafioso now. Let's end this, shall we?

I know why he voted he is forced to. I was questioning the reasoning behind it because that's been evident about CR since mid-game.

So Kommo believes him did you ever stop to think the only reason he was on that list was because he had five posts way below anyones normal posting habits. He's struck us all as suspicious it doesn't infact make him guilty.

How can you be so sure? You just stated that didn't know about DG. And in the chat you also said the same about some others.

Csargo

03-01-2007, 23:43

GH if people don't vote will they be killed?

GeneralHankerchief

03-01-2007, 23:47

I haven't decided yet.

GeneralHankerchief

03-02-2007, 00:37

Voting over.

I'm not quite sure when I can post the execution, hopefully I can get to it tonight.

ByzantineKnight

03-02-2007, 03:48

GH if people don't vote will they be killed?

Oh, Stink!! I forgot to vote...:shame:

CountArach

03-02-2007, 08:59

Vote: Dutch_Guy

His standard method of playing is to lay fairly low and fly under the radar, yet recently he has just exploded with the number of posts. So he earns my vote.

EDIT: Damn my time zone!

Dutch_guy

03-02-2007, 11:22

His standard method of playing is to lay fairly low and fly under the radar, yet recently he has just exploded with the number of posts. So he earns my vote.

EDIT: Damn my time zone!

You do of course realise this was because I was accused, not because of some wild flash of inspiration which caused my activity to skyrocket ?

You did read everything which was said, right ?

Oh wait, you probably didn't since GeneralH said

Voting over

A mere two posts below yours, and yet you still voted ?

:balloon2:

CountArach

03-02-2007, 11:44

You did read everything which was said, right ?

I read almost all of the posts, just didn't read the last few, until just after I posted, but I did read them.

GeneralHankerchief

03-02-2007, 23:26

You see, life was abound in the Frontroom and they all came out to celebrate the dawn of another beautiful, glorious new day in their little utopia. The birds started chriping and trilling their sweet songs. The colorful flowers unfolded, drinking in the golden sun that was beginning to rise overhead. The brooks started burbling, carrying along gallons of sweet, clear water to no destination in particular.

What a long time ago that seemed.

It had been cloudy for several days. The temperature had dropped sharply since the attacks began. The trees had lost all of their leaves. The birds had long left, and now the animal that one would probably see if they only saw one would be an insect. Those creepy crawlers were everywhere, as if they were drawn to evil. Although the weather was slightly better today, things still looked grim.

One constant in this was the townspeople gathering in the town square to vote. They had faithfully executed their own every day since the attacks began, and would do so until either the mafia were dead or they all were.

Chief of Police Beirut, perhaps the most constant of all the constants, was sharpening his axe grimly. He had been through this procedure God knows how many times (oddly enough, he seemed like he knew what to do when the mafia started to hit the town, as if he had been through it five times before), and had it down to a T.

"Gentlemen," he began, "You have hereby sentenced Dutch_guy to death. Dutch, have you any last words before your sentence is carried out?"

Dutch_guy nodded. "I suppose it would be pointless to continue to argue my innocence." The Chief of Police nodded back.

"Yes, it would."

"Very well. Then at least I am lucky enough to receive the axe from this master wielder of it." Dutch dutifully placed himself on the chopping block (literally) with a look of slight regret on his face as he was decapitated.

Now there were only eig-

"Gah-ACK!" Suddenly ByzantineKnight keeled over with a heart attack.

Now there were only seven left.

Here is the vote summary for Round 7:

Dutch_guy: 4 (Kommodus, Crazed Rabbit, Kagemusha, Ichigo) :skull:
Crazed Rabbit: 3 (AndresTheCunning, Stig, Dutch_guy)

Didn't vote: 2 (CountArach, ByzantineKnight)

~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (7)
Kagemusha
Stig
Ichigo
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
AndresTheCunning
Kommodus

Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Warluster
JimBob
Fenring
pevergreen
ByzantineKnight

Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Rythmic
sapi
Sir Boo
Sir Moody
ChuggtheSquirrel
Faust| (replaces Destroyer of Hope who suicided)
Seamus Fermanagh
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Pannonian

Executed:
HughTower
discovery1
Caius Flaminius
Xiahou
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy

~~~~~~~~~~~

Seven left. I WoG'd ByzantineKnight mostly because I wanted there to be a penalty for not voting and he was less active (vote-wise) than CountArach. Numbers also play a part into it, as you will find out soon.

Day phase will begin in 24 hours.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-02-2007, 23:41

Holy crap that makes CountA look guilty.

Stig

03-03-2007, 00:36

Holy crap that makes CountA look guilty.
He is suspicious yes, but vote wise he's more active then BK (says GH)

pevergreen

03-03-2007, 00:38

Im guessing that was a WoG?

i dont see his name anywhere..

Sasaki Kojiro

03-03-2007, 00:41

He is suspicious yes, but vote wise he's more active then BK (says GH)

And stig defends him :inquisitive:

I can't see GH WoG'ing a mafioso for missing a vote. That would majorly change the game.

Stig

03-03-2007, 00:42

I can't see GH WoG'ing a mafioso for missing a vote. That would majorly change the game.
Well, let GH explain it into more detail

Sasaki Kojiro

03-03-2007, 00:44

Well, let GH explain it into more detail

Oh, I'm sure he has an explanation. He would be cautious about incriminating a mafioso.

Kommodus

03-03-2007, 00:48

EDIT: Post retracted for now. I'll re-post later on. You'll see why.

Stig

03-03-2007, 00:59

after Kommo posts his, hoping the mafia sleeps

Sasaki Kojiro

03-03-2007, 01:03

Hmm interesting. I take it none of the other execution scenes indicated any guilt?

Kommodus

03-03-2007, 01:07

Stig!!! :furious3:

Who's side are you on here?! I retracted that post because I didn't want to give the mafia any hints on who to kill this night! I was going to repost it after the kills!

Gah... :no: :thumbsdown:

Stig

03-03-2007, 01:07

Who's side are you on here?! I retracted that post because I didn't want to give the mafia any hints on who to kill this night! I was going to repost it after the kills
he knows who to kill alright, he doubt he's that stupid

Do post the first part of your post tho. Saying that there's only 1 mafia left for sure, as that's true

Csargo

03-03-2007, 01:09

I think your guilty.

Kommodus

03-03-2007, 01:13

btw I voted CR because I thought he was MORE suspicious, and how could Andres know that BK was innocent ... you combine things we know after the kills with things we know before the kills.

Correction. The townies don't know who is innocent before the kills. The mafia do.

Do you really think he doesn't know who to kill?

I don't know what the mafia know and don't know. I do know that they tend to kill players who aren't drawing a lot of suspicion, because players that people are suspicious of are lynch bait. That's why I didn't want to give away who I was suspicious of. After posting, I realized I'd done it prematurely. But now you've made sure the mafia will see everything.

EDIT: Ok, thanks for editing your post. Perhaps the mafia saw what I said; perhaps not. Maybe it makes no difference.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-03-2007, 01:16

With the mafia popping Pannonian and Reenk I don't think they care too much about that. Though that does make stig looks suspicious.

Csargo

03-03-2007, 01:35

With the mafia popping Pannonian and Reenk I don't think they care too much about that. Though that does make stig looks suspicious.

I don't see how both CA and Stig are still alive. I think the last mafioso is one of them of course I could be wrong. I think either Pannonian or RR would have gotten lynched the round they were killed, but that's just my opnion.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-03-2007, 01:50

Agreed, but we only have one lynch left. Harsh.

Csargo

03-03-2007, 02:11

Agreed, but we only have one lynch left. Harsh.

Unless GH let's the dead vote in the last round.

Csargo

03-03-2007, 02:25

After reading through Stig's posts I think he's guilty. He contradicts himself plus some other things that make me think that.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-03-2007, 02:30

CountA's survival still worries me. But then it's likely that he would have made sure to vote if he was mafia, and I'm thinking GH would have realized how bad that looked and decided to WoG neither of them, which would make the count innocent.

Csargo

03-03-2007, 02:40

CountArach

03-03-2007, 02:48

GeneralHankerchief

03-04-2007, 00:02

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Quiet as death.

The eventual transportation of the object was probably CountArach’s most prestigious mission up to date. He knew the dangers (he had read about those in the daily obituaries), but he also knew the good his work would do, according to the rumours the thing he was to transport could save many a life. Little did he know that the object could destroy even better than it did save.

The mission was extraordinary simple, considering its magnitude. He was to start the engine of his truck at 10:00 and be at the meeting point exactly one hour later. He was even to be accompanied by an ex-marine (also a living villager), whom he would meet at 9:55.

Thus it was that CountArach was inspecting his trusty truck for any things out of the ordinary, he was no fool, and he knew how far the reach of the mafia went. The killings of approximately 20 fellow villagers was proof of that.

"Thank God, everything’s normal," CA thought to himself, glancing at his watch 19:50.

"Now let’s hope that bodyguard of mine turns up when he’s supposed to. Time is money, after all," CA thought, after inspecting all four tires once again.

Footsteps could now clearly be heard, a door opened and a pale young man wearing a bulky kevlar vest, army pants, boots, and even a helmet entered. Checking once more if his Heckler & Koch MP4 machine gun was locked and loaded. He expected to use it.

"So you’re Ichigo, then, are you not?" CountArach asked the marine. He noticed that this marine had a rather pale complexion.

The marine didn’t reply, but he did look at CA weirdly. How could somebody not keep track of who was still living in this mess? Hmm, perhaps it was for the best in this situation.

The lack of reply didn’t bother CA, and he turned around to get into the truck. "Do make sure you lock the door from the inside, we don’t want anyone breaking in, one way or the other," he said.

"Oh, don’t worry about that. I daresay I’d compromise the mission...not after all the trouble it took to get here..." the pale marine calling himself Ichigo ended with a slight grin.

CA turned around. He didn’t like what Ichigo was telling him. Not at all. Meanwhile, "Ichigo" continued.

"You see, my partner and I have been waiting for this moment a long time now. And using this truck, and navigation system which you have, we’ll manage to find the place where it is hidden. And will finally succeed in having it."

CountArach was sweating now, he was beginning to understand what was being said here. He had always been a slow learner.

"So you see," the mafioso continued, "After Reenk and Pannonian told us all what they knew about this place, you, the date and time, your death was guaranteed. So, really, you were dead yesterday, but didn’t know it yet."

"So, you’re not Ichigo, aren’t you ?" CA mumbled, finally grasping the situation.

"Wow, you're really sharp, aren't you? What set you off? The fact that I didn't look anything like the guy that you had been voting with for the past week now?" The mafioso sighed. CA still looked puzzled. "No, I'm not.

"It doesn’t change the situation though. Goodbye." He said this immediately before unloading a clip into a baffled CountArach. He was dead before he hit the ground.

The mafioso loaded a new clip, entered the truck, and started the engine. It was 10:01.

A short while earlier, the real Ichigo was enjoying a well deserved moment of peace. Putting on his long-since put away army gear brought back memories that he had tried to shun for the better part of his life. However, he also knew that money was needed to enjoy his extravagant life. And this job paid well.

"Well, let’s hope this'll be my last gig," he said to his newly polished MP4 with a slight smile. How he loved that gun, and hated it at the same time. He thought nothing of the fact that he was actually talking to a gun.

He longed to grab the remote (the TV was on); he hated hip hop, and MTV was just starting to show an hour of that so called ‘music’ non stop. "Rather just watch the Animal Planet," he thought, as he changed the channel.

He then grabbed the chips in front of him, wondering why he couldn’t stop eating the stuff. His grab missed, there wasn’t any more in there.

"Dammit," Ichigo cursed as he stood up and turned around to walk towards the kitchen.

He didn’t get far. A pale young man stood in the doorway leading to the kitchen. A gun equipped with silencer was pointed at Ichigo’s head. Smart move really, as his chest was protected by Kevlar. One could never be too careful in these days.

"Hello Ichigo, I would have thought those days were behind you," the man said, pointing his gun at the army-clad Ichigo. The machine gun on the table behind him was far out of his reach. This was not going well.

"You never were one to let go of the past easily, unlike me, of course," the pale man continued.

While the machine gun was out of reach, another weapon was not. Ichigo fingered the knife in his right back pocket. All he needed was one moment and this would all be over. He had to keep the man talking, he needed time. Just a little bit.

"Look," Ichigo said, obviously trying to buy time, "I don’t know what I’m guarding. Honestly. I can’t help you and your buddies. I am of no use to you."

The pale mafioso played along. "True, but the mere fact you’re guarding it makes you important. Don’t you see ? You’re instrumen-"

The mafioso wasn’t able to finish his sentence, as Ichigo with a flick of his right hand threw his army knife at the mafioso. However, he was ready for it and quickly fired his weapon while letting himself fall to the ground. The knife flew by harmlessly, striking only the air where his head had been only moment before. He, however, had not missed.

Ichigo had fallen down (not to dodge) and was clutching his bleeding arm. He never was a good throw with his right hand, he thought, as the mafioso walked over to him and raised his gun.

"That’s the second time you missed me Ichigo. Remember?"

"You? How is that…"

No response. Only a "Goodbye, Ichigo," complete with a blank expression.

Another sound of a bullet hitting its target signalled the end of Ichigo’s life.

The mafioso glanced at his watch: 19:30. Ah, good. Plenty of time to deal with Arach then. He put on Ichigo’s army gear (a perfect fit) took his gun, keys, and map. And left to meet Arach...

Later that evening (yes, we're back in real time), Chief of Police Beirut gathered the five remaining villagers in the now-nearly empty town center in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, "One way or another this will end tonight. Either we rid this village of the scourge now or next morning they kill the rest of us. I suggest you choose wisely. Our lives are in the balance."

With that last grim statement, the remaining villagers began that ritual, that ever-cursed ritual one final time.

~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (5)
Kagemusha
Stig
Crazed Rabbit
AndresTheCunning
Kommodus

Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Warluster
JimBob
Fenring
pevergreen
ByzantineKnight

Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Rythmic
sapi
Sir Boo
Sir Moody
ChuggtheSquirrel
Faust| (replaces Destroyer of Hope who suicided)
Seamus Fermanagh
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Pannonian
CountArach
Ichigo

Executed:
HughTower
discovery1
Caius Flaminius
Xiahou
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy

~~~~~~~~~~

Final round. Good luck, everyone.

pevergreen

03-04-2007, 00:06

Kagemusha
Stig
Crazed Rabbit
AndresTheCunning
Kommodus

Whos mafia....
My guess is Kommodus and Andres

CountArach

03-04-2007, 00:52

:( Good luck town! You guys are really gonna need it.

Pannonian

03-04-2007, 01:12

Since the voting rules have not changed, this means only 1 mafioso remains. If there were 2 mafiosi still alive, 5 people alive would result in 4 after the lynch, then 2 after the killings. Even if a mafioso were correctly lynched, this leaves 1 mafioso left alive and 1 innocent, which is a mafia win as per the Kage case.

If Dutch_guy is the dead mafioso, then posting style would point to Andres as his accomplice. If the dead mafioso was someone else, goodness knows who the remaining one is.

Dutch_guy

03-04-2007, 02:21

Oh well, why not.

Happy Birthday GeneralHankerchief ! :balloon:

17 is quite the age, have fun and don't get too drunk !

:balloon2:

GeneralHankerchief

03-04-2007, 02:26

Sadly, the drinking age in the US is 21. :cry:

Thanks for the wishes though. :yes:

And get voting! Session will be 48 hours instead of 24 since it's the last one.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-04-2007, 03:14

Looks to me like stig is guilty. Though I haven't reread on the others. Post coming in a sec.

Let's take some quotes:

I'm in favour of a tie, it gives us more discussion

Unvote: Count Arach
Vote: Xiahou

...

I thought we said that discussion was good for the town, so I tie would be good

Unvote: CR
Vote: CountArach

...

Sorry Pan, but I'm going to untie it, Sasaki posted here in the Gameroom an hour ago, but ignored this thread.

Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: Sasaki

Inconsistency here.

Now his post of suspects:

Now for Dutch:
He does say Sasaki looks suspicious, he does say enough to vote out people, but still he doesn't vote for people. Dutch has also been abstaining in earlier voting rounds.
Kage:
I can't find his vote, strange, but he only posted once this voting round
BK:
Said Sasaki was suspicious, but didn't vote for him as he thought it to be a bad lynch, next to that he would be almost last to vote for Sasaki, so he might have been afraid of bandwagonning.

Now for the remaining players:
Kommo:
Seems townish, but at the same time he can be faking some of the results of his research to hide his real identity.
CR:
where has he gone? Lurks a bit, minorly suspicious imo
Reenk Roink:
Has always been voting for Sasaki, he could be the detective, he could be Reenk and try one of his tricks again, minorly suspicious as well

Anyway, Reenk, CR, Dutch and BK are on my list.

His next post defends reenk:

Faust you don't know Reenk (hell I don't even know him well enough) he's full of tricks. In one game he only replied in smilies, in Midgard he claimed to be a Loki, it took long for us to believe him. Reenk mostlikely is playing, tho he's always a suspect.

He starts next round with a vote for Dutch (btw I'm assuming that dutch was the mafioso). When Kommodus posts against dutch guy he unvotes though:

Unvote: Dutch Guy
Vote: CR

Kommodus hasn't given a good reason against Dutch Guy yet, only a not working program and his intuition

And tries in several posts to discredit Kommodus's method. This is despite him claiming dutch guy is one of his main suspects and starting the round with a vote.

The main this is his inconsistencies on ties, his inconsistencies on who he finds suspicious, and his vote and then unvote of dutch guy. Also I noticed these:

WoG way to go, atlast less lurkers

My first thought at that moment was not "way to go" it was "whoah this is bad".

Vote: Sigurd
Xiahou last night, Sigurd this one, if you want a reason read all the post on earlier pages.

Note that stig hadn't made much post accusing sigurd in the last few pages. this looks like "hey they were almost ready to lynch sigurd yesterday I bet they'll go for it today".

Haven't read on any of the others. Kommo and CR are pretty clearly innocent though.

Csargo

03-04-2007, 03:24

Whoever killed me knows nothing about me. :laugh4:

Kommodus

03-04-2007, 04:32

Ok, here's what I posted earlier and later retracted.

Well, let's consider what we know. I find it extremely likely that Dutch_guy was, in fact, guilty. There appear to be several clues in the execution.

Although the weather was slightly better today, things still looked grim.

Dutch dutifully placed himself on the chopping block (literally) with a look of slight regret on his face as he was decapitated.

Also, let's consider what is meant by this:

Numbers also play a part into it, as you will find out soon.

We have seven players left, one of which is a mafioso. Two more will soon be killed, leaving us with five. If we execute incorrectly at that point, the next two kills will leave us with two, one of which is guilty. This situation is almost always decided in favor of the mafia. I think one reason why GH killed BK was to make sure we would only have one voting round left.

(Note that if I'm wrong and we have two mafiosi left, the game is over and we've lost. But I highly doubt this is the case.)

Now, I think everyone who voted for Dutch_guy is innocent. He was executed on a bare 4-3 majority, so one vote going the other way would've changed the outcome and decided the game for the mafia. Also, consider the players:

Crazed Rabbit: He was the second player after me to vote Dutch (technically third if you count Stig's early vote, which he later changed). Also, because he swore his innocence and because of his rep, I believe him. Criticize me for naive if you will, but I think it's true.

Kagemusha: He was under no pressure to change his vote to DG, but he did anyway.

Ichigo: Same as Kagemusha.

Kommodus: I'm the one that got 'im lynched, besides the fact that I know I'm innocent.

That leaves three suspects:

AndresTheCunning: The first to vote for CR in the last round. This is after originally voting BK (now a known innocent) and voicing suspicions of DG. Perhaps he felt his team would have a better chance of getting CR lynched, something which proved true. I've been suspicious of him since very early on.

Stig: Voted for Dutch_guy very quickly, but later changed his vote to CR after I added my vote. Was he trying to distance himself from his partner at first, only to think better of it when things went awry?

CountArach: Didn't participate much or vote in the last round. Others have said he's suspicious; I'm not so sure myself. I'll have to review his posts and activity before coming to a conclusion.

I retracted it because I didn't want to give the mafia any clues on who to kill. I knew that mafiosi tend to kill players that no one finds suspicious - they leave alive the suspicious ones to act as lynch bait. As it turns out, the mafia did us a favor by killing CountArach, as that's one fewer suspect.

It should be noted, BTW, that Stig saw my post. He originally quoted me after I retracted, then edited it out after I asked him to. Later, he PM'd me with this:

If you're mafia you'll know that I'm innocent ... if you're not you will mostlikely not trust me but anyway:
I'm innocent, I'm pretty sure of that (as I never got any PM).
Since you said that there is only 1 mafia left that kinda puts you and CR in the clear. Or you are just plain "stupid" with following CR, or he's lying afterall.

Can you analyse Kage's posts as I believe he won a mafia game on his own before, next to that he's low profile.
Andres seems somewhat innocent, but he can easely be used by the mafia. As I used Husar in Midgard.
Ichigo seems innocent, which is weird, but I think he's innocent this time.
CA didn't get WoG'ed but I can't find little against him next to that.

So if I were mafia (and not myself) I would kill Kage and Ichigo, leaving 4 high profilers (who are against eachother), you follow 1 group and win the game. If however Kage or Ichigo doesn't get killed they're highly suspicious to me.

it's your choice to trust me ... I would trust myself, this time

Stig, I don't mean to betray a trust here or anything by quoting you. I just think that at this stage of the game, full disclosure is the way to go.

Anyway, I responded to him with this message:

As I said in my post (and please don't quote me on this, yet), those who voted DG are innocent (assuming DG was mafia). A single vote going the other way would've decided the game in favor of the mafia - why would they throw away an opportunity like that, especially when CR looked plenty suspicious?

And keep in mind that CR and I are among those who have been around since the beginning. I know him better than you do, and I don't think he'd throw away his integrity like that for such a stupid reason.

You are, after all, most likely right about who will be killed. No one's suspicious of Kage or Ichigo. Me and CR are the best choices for who to get lynched next.

However, at this point I can't narrow down my list of suspsects any more. After the kills, we'll see. Sorry.

And he responded with the following:

As I said in my post (and please don't quote me on this, yet), those who voted DG are innocent (assuming DG was mafia). A single vote going the other way would've decided the game in favor of the mafia - why would they throw away an opportunity like that, especially when CR looked plenty suspicious?

Aye makes sense ... unless it's CR, Kage, Ichigo or you who's mafia and DG and him agreed on it that one of them would get killed to blind the town. But that's to difficult, so let's assume you were right

You are, after all, most likely right about who will be killed. No one's suspicious of Kage or Ichigo. Me and CR are the best choices for who to get lynched next.

Aye, true. So say Kage and Ichigo get killed. That would mean that 3 of us have to get the right person ... I would say: Andres or CA (you would say Andres, Stig or CA), which is damned difficult. Tho Andres seems a good kill atm, but so seems CA.

I haven't yet had time to really analyze everything yet, as I've gone up north for a ski trip this weekend. Fortunately, since this is the final round, we have more time. It's clear that the final two suspects are indeed Stig and AndresTheCunning. Right now I'm leaning strongly towards Andres being guilty, but since there's no hurry I'm not going to vote until I've had a chance to do one more analysis and can settle everything in my own mind.

Seamus Fermanagh

03-04-2007, 06:08

Well, if we follow Sasaki that CR and Kommo are good guys, then it's down to Stig, AtC, and Kage.

Stig has been hammered in the preceding posts, and his own post count per page was more or less exactly in line with normal mafia parameters.

Kage's vote seems to make him less likely as a choice.

AtC is the wild card. Much of his posting follows his pattern when innocent, but we have limited games to go on with him.

Sorry Stig, but I think it's you for the final decision. Hope its correct.

Crazed Rabbit

03-04-2007, 06:40

This night time, both townies were killed by the pale faced man.

Last night, only one townie was killed by the pale faced man.

The executed man between the two nights was Dutch Guy.

Food for thought.

I, too, lean towards Andres as suspect right now, slightly ahead of Stig.

CR

Stig

03-04-2007, 11:57

Sorry Stig, but I think it's you for the final decision. Hope its correct.
Pity, wouldn't like losing the game

Anyway we've got Kage, Kommo, CR, Andres and me. As Kommo said Kage, CR and himself are in the clear (unless one of them and Dutch Guy agreed on it that that Dutch Guy would be lynched, tho that would be stupid as lynching CR instead of DG would have been enough to win the game). I'm innocent (as I never got a PM from GH), so I will have to:

Vote: Andres

BTW, note that Andres hasn't started desperate posting like in Midgard, when he was innocent.

UltraWar

03-04-2007, 12:54

Whispers from the void: Happy Birthday GeneralHankerchief :beam:

Andres

03-04-2007, 14:05

Can be deleted. Very strange things going on here.

Edit: To make this post useful : HAPPY BIRTDAY GENERALHANKERCHIEF

Andres

03-04-2007, 14:12

BTW, note that Andres hasn't started desperate posting like in Midgard, when he was innocent.

And what did I get form desperate posting? I got lynched :laugh4: And 'til the end of the game nobody believed my innocence. Heck, one of my last posts pointed at you and ATPG, but nobody believed me, because I was guilty...

So I learned that desperate posting when innocent is not a good tactic.

Well, for what it's worth, I regret nobody thinks CR or Kommodus are guilty.

Last round, I was really convinced Kommodus and CR were our two mafiosi. It seems I was wrong about at least one of them, or maybe both, in which case I indeed deserve to get lynched as a bad townie, abused by the mafia :shame:

On the risk of once again preaching in the desert, here is my reflection:

1) Crazed Rabbit : has been lurking during all the game, yet never got WoG'ed. Claimed real life issues. When confronted with the fact that he did post in other threads, he claimed here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1446619&postcount=766) that he did do that because in those threads he didn't have to read hundreds of posts. Yet, in that same post he quickly put in a vote on Dutch_guy, while not having been able to read the whole thread, meanwhile not giving any good reason :inquisitive:Add to that the fact that he made several posts in the Midgard Saga, as you can see when you go searching for posts made by CR (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=68201&pp=25&page=2), which contained alot more posts than this game. You'll also notice how he posted alot more frequently in here when he came 'under fire'. The argument "Crazed Rabbit has never lied before in a mafia game", is not very convincing to me: 1) this is mafia, a game of lies and deception; 2) maybe it's the first time he got this close to a mafia victory (has he been mafia before in other games?)

2) Stig: Seamus posted this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1441913&postcount=670) a while ago. Average Mafioso/Jotun = [1.89] which corresponed exactly with Stig's average posting at that time. Seamus, do you have more recent results based on the entire thread as for now and if so, can you give us the results for the living players? Kommodus also posted a list of results of all players still alive at that time here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1443590&postcount=701). You can read there that Stig's posting style resembles the one of Midgard. As for now, however, Stig didn't seem suspicous to me, allthough I find it odd he is so eager to switch his vote to me without very good reasoning ("Kommodus and CR seem to be above suspicion", while he continuously claimed otherwise until now). He seems eagerly willing to survive. He didn't act like that in Midgard, but there he wasn't under as much pressure as now.

3) Kommodus: is absent from the thread for a while, claiming real life (which seems to be correct, after doing the same search as on CR). Pops up somewhere mid-game and posts results of 'holmes'. 15 players were still alive, and he posts a rather long list of 6 suspects here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1440706&postcount=640).
Afterwards, Kommodus got questioned by several players. Than something very strange happens. Allthough 'holmes' didn't detect D_G, he suddenly claims that he must be mafia, because he didn't got detected by 'holmes'. This is very confusing to me: a) the first suspect is ATC, 'holmes' points it out b) the second suspect must be Dutch_Guy, he didn't got noticed by 'holmes', so he must be mafia! ~:confused:

And I didn't see him posting in the drunkards thread :laugh4:

Kommodus, I know you don't like people saying this, but your system has already failed once. Add to that the fact that you pretended to have a similar system in one of the previous mafia games, using that as an argument to draw away suspicion while being a mafioso (and obtaining victory, or am I wrong?). Firstly, I thought you were a team with CR and you tried backing him up, because 'he never lied before in a previous game'. Now, Ichigo seems to think likewise, so maybe your argumentation to protect CR isn't that strange. Besides, if you were mafia, you would have been happy with the town voting CR and Dutch_guy. If you were mafia, it would have been easy to post some 'new results' of holmes to prove it was CR after all, making sure a townie would get lynched (since both Stig and I are still alive and were convinced it was him in the previous round). So maybe you are innocent after all and that's why you are third and last on my list.

Or maybe you keep pursuing me persistently, sticking to your role of the innocent townie.

Anyway, I would like Kommodus to post a last list of results on the living players (including him off course), given by 'holmes' and, if possible, Seamus to post some new results of his counting system.

As for the stories, Midgard thaught me you cannot trust those... :angry: Gah! Still upset about not going to valhalla.

Vote : Crazed Rabbit

Stig

03-04-2007, 14:57

allthough I find it odd he is so eager to switch his vote to me without very good reasoning
Dutch Guy was killed with 4-2. ie. anyone who voted for DG is innocent, as every change in votes would have made a difference. That leaves me and you, and I know I'm innocent, which leaves you.

Dutch_guy

03-04-2007, 15:27

Dutch Guy was killed with 4-2. ie. anyone who voted for DG is innocent, as every change in votes would have made a difference. That leaves me and you, and I know I'm innocent, which leaves you.

I believe it was a 4 -3. Also, there's the point of my innocence, which only I know as a fact. The point I am trying to make, is that everyone here seems to focus on either Kommodus or Andres. The three others are slipping below radar, which is the ideal position a mafia member would want to find himself in.

:balloon2:

Crazed Rabbit

03-04-2007, 18:48

So you're saying you don't want us to go after Andres, then? Hmmm.

I know I am innocent, I'm pretty sure everyone but Stig and Kommodus EDIT: I meant Andres are innocent, and given the events of this round so far, I am going to
vote: Andres

I believe it was a 4 -3. Also, there's the point of my innocence, which only I know as a fact.

Why did the pale man do both kills this time, then?

The argument "Crazed Rabbit has never lied before in a mafia game", is not very convincing to me: 1) this is mafia, a game of lies and deception; 2) maybe it's the first time he got this close to a mafia victory (has he been mafia before in other games?)

I've been mafia several times before, and in one situation where lying might have saved me.

The doubt you continually cast on me for lurking and accusing me of dishonesty makes me suspect you all the more.

and obtaining victory, or am I wrong?
Nope, the unlucky detective destroyed his mafia team in the last two rounds, alive and from beyond the grave. :knight:

CR

Andres

03-04-2007, 19:09

The doubt you continually cast on me for lurking and accusing me of dishonesty makes me suspect you all the more.

Ah, but I don't doubt and I'm not just accusing you of dishonesty.

You have been dishonest. Why didn't you quote the relevant part of my post?

I'll help you:

Crazed Rabbit : has been lurking during all the game, yet never got WoG'ed. Claimed real life issues. When confronted with the fact that he did post in other threads, he claimed here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1446619&postcount=766) that he did do that because in those threads he didn't have to read hundreds of posts. Yet, in that same post he quickly put in a vote on Dutch_guy, while not having been able to read the whole thread, meanwhile not giving any good reason :inquisitive:Add to that the fact that he made several posts in the Midgard Saga, as you can see when you go searching for posts made by CR (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=68201&pp=25&page=2), which contained alot more posts than this game. You'll also notice how he posted alot more frequently in here when he came 'under fire'. The argument "Crazed Rabbit has never lied before in a mafia game", is not very convincing to me: 1) this is mafia, a game of lies and deception; 2) maybe it's the first time he got this close to a mafia victory (has he been mafia before in other games?)

You have been lying and you have been dishonest. There's no point in denying that. This makes you all the more suspicious in my eyes. Since the explanation about you posting habits is a lie, I think it's reasonable to assume you are capable of lying in a mafia game.

I've been mafia several times before, and in one situation where lying might have saved me.

And since the staying honest tactic didn't work in that particular game, you might as well have changed your tactic now. Why would that be impossible?

Dutch_guy

03-04-2007, 19:19

So you're saying you don't want us to go after Andres, then? Hmmm.

I know I am innocent, I'm pretty sure everyone but Stig and Kommodus are innocent, and given the events of this round so far, I am going to
vote: Andres

Why did the pale man do both kills this time, then?

CR

No, not really, I was merely saying concentrating the action on two players isn't the best thing you could do if there are still 5 players left, with a mere one round to go. Certainly you can see why that may be then ?

I don't understand this part, I'm pretty sure everyone but Stig and Kommodus are innocent, and yet you let both of those slip, why is that ?

I really wouldn't know, what I have learned from the mafia games I've played in thus far is that the kill descriptions tend to be more misleading than they are useful to the town. If you can show me one kill description which has, in fact, helped us actually catch a mafioso, I stand corrected. However, if not, then my point still stands.

:balloon2:

Sasaki Kojiro

03-04-2007, 19:26

CR why did you vote for andres?

If we lynch an innocent today the mafia wins you realize.

Stig

03-04-2007, 20:26

Why is DG quilty?
When he got lynched:
Still alive: (7)
Kagemusha
Stig
Ichigo
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
AndresTheCunning
Kommodus

That night 2 would be killed, that means 5 left alive. That day a mafia gets lynched, that means 4 left alive. That night 2 would be killed, that means 2 left alive. STALEMATE ... in other words either Dutch Guy was mafia, or someone else we lynched before was mafia, tho I doubt that. Seeing the text about the pale man and this:

Dutch dutifully placed himself on the chopping block (literally) with a look of slight regret on his face as he was decapitated.

I believe it was a 4 -3.
Oh, yeah, actually it was. That means mafia could have won that day. Since they didn't everyone that voted for Dutch Guy is innocent. Which leaves me and Andres.
It's your choice ... tho I would go for Andres.

Andres

03-04-2007, 21:06

Oh, yeah, actually it was. That means mafia could have won that day. Since they didn't everyone that voted for Dutch Guy is innocent. Which leaves me and Andres.
It's your choice ... tho I would go for Andres.

For those who believe in the stories, you might as well consider this: in the beginning of the game, we always had one kill where a mafioso asked 'do you like meat?' followed by some crazy meat related murder. That stopped after the lynching of Caius. That's the only possible clue I could find in the stories, but as I said, this is for believers only. I learned my lesson about hidden clues in the stories from Midgard :shame:

Ichigo said he believed Stig was guilty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1448522&postcount=818) and he repeated that once more (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1448619&postcount=824).

Ichigo died.

Stig saw Kommodus' post and quoted it almost immediately in the thread (check page 28, he repeated that particular post later on (#836)). After Kommodus insisted, he deletes the quote.

Killing two innocents from that list would have made Stig suspicious. So he only kills one "innocent". After that, he choses to kill CA. Allthough he was on Kommodus' list, it was not very likely that CA would have gotten lynched. Add to that that CA displayed the will to follow Kommodus, no matter what. So, Ichigo was a certain vote for Stig: killed. CA was the only "suspect" capable of voting for Stig, so, if he had to kill a suspect to draw away the attention from him ('I wouldn't be that stupid!'), CA was the best choice.

I have been prosecuted severly by Kommodus during the game and CR follows him almost blindly, so that's two votes for me, no doubt about that. Stig + CR + Kommodus = majority = townie lynch = Mafia Victory.

On the other hand, I still have my doubts about CR and I would like to hear a better reason for his vote on me, because this :

I know I am innocent, I'm pretty sure everyone but Stig and Kommodus are innocent, and given the events of this round so far, I am going to
vote: Andres

is very very confusing. Care to elaborate a bit on that CR?

I would like one of the murdered (not the lynched) players to declare that the statements about CR are indeed correct. If one of them confirms in the thread that CR can be trusted, I might change my vote towards Stig.

So for now:

Unvote : Crazed Rabbit
Vote : Abstain

Stig

03-04-2007, 21:10

I'm not even gonna reply to Andres' post, not because I'm being rude, but simply because I think no discussion is needed here.

Andres and I could be mafia
Andres says he isn't
I say I'm not

Only one of us is speaking the truth, for the others to judge it

Sasaki Kojiro

03-04-2007, 21:14

Andres, CR as mafia has not sworn his innocence even when he ended up lynched.

@stig: how are we supposed to judge it if you won't respond to posts?

Andres

03-04-2007, 21:18

Andres, CR as mafia has not sworn his innocence even when he ended up lynched.

@stig: how are we supposed to judge it if you won't respond to posts?

Thanks for your quick answer Sasaki, but you got lynched, not murdered by the mafia...

A nice opportunity to use a new smiley: come on, murdered and experienced players:

:feedback:

Crazed Rabbit

03-04-2007, 21:35

Gah, miswrote my earlier post - meant to say everyone but Stig and Andres seemed innocent. Edited now.

You have been lying and you have been dishonest. There's no point in denying that. This makes you all the more suspicious in my eyes. Since the explanation about you posting habits is a lie, I think it's reasonable to assume you are capable of lying in a mafia game.

Yes, but I have never lied when I've said I was telling the truth.

Ichigo said he believed Stig was guilty and he repeated that once more.

Ichigo died.

Stig saw Kommodus' post and quoted it almost immediately in the thread (check page 28, he repeated that particular post later on (#836)). After Kommodus insisted, he deletes the quote.

And how are we to know the mafia isn't trying to frame Stig? Especially since you brought this up. It becomes very WIFOM.

You are now trying to go after Stig, as it seems I am not a good lynch candidate for you anymore. If you are a good townie, you want the mafia to lose.

Either Stig or you are mafia. We have only one lynch left, and so can't kill both of you by lynching. What if Stig agreed to commit suicide and we lynched you, so that the town would win no matter which one of you was mafia? Surely that would please you, as we'd get the mafia no matter what.

@stig: how are we supposed to judge it if you won't respond to posts?
Ditto. This isn't over yet stig, we need to keep talking.

Crazed Rabbit

Stig

03-04-2007, 21:36

@stig: how are we supposed to judge it if you won't respond to posts?
I can't prove my innocence, I can only say that I'm innocent.

Csargo

03-04-2007, 21:37

I've never know CR to lie when he was mafia.

Csargo

03-04-2007, 21:40

Xiahou

03-04-2007, 21:46

FWIW, I'd be voting Andres were I still alive and able to do so. The evidence for DG being mafia seems sound, this limiting the candidates to two. Of the two, Adres came up early in the game as suspicious to me and his arguments seem more desperate now as well.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-04-2007, 21:47

What if Stig agreed to commit suicide and we lynched you, so that the town would win no matter which one of you was mafia? Surely that would please you, as we'd get the mafia no matter what.

I disapprove of this as it's a gamebreaking strategy. As soon as we got couple confirmed innocents in any game we could have the others suicide, thus revealing the mafia.

Stig

03-04-2007, 22:00

And how are we to know the mafia isn't trying to frame Stig? Especially since you brought this up. It becomes very WIFOM.
If you played Midgard you know I'm not that stupid

What if Stig agreed to commit suicide and we lynched you, so that the town would win no matter which one of you was mafia? Surely that would please you, as we'd get the mafia no matter what.
I would agree to that, but as Sasaki says, it's a bit unethical.

Crazed Rabbit

03-04-2007, 22:06

I disapprove of this as it's a gamebreaking strategy. As soon as we got couple confirmed innocents in any game we could have the others suicide, thus revealing the mafia.

Very well. Consider my proposal withdrawn. I suppose it would be a bit unfair.

In honesty, I just wanted to see how Andres would reply to it.

My vote will remain on Andres for now.

Crazed Rabbit

Andres

03-04-2007, 22:06

I've never know CR to lie when he was mafia.

Thanks Ichigo.

Vote : Stig

@Crazed Rabbit: how was I supposed to know? At least now I have somebody who is above suspicion (Ichigo who got murdered last night) to confirm on this. Thus far, you got only backed up by Kommodus, who was on my suspect list, and Ichigo when he was still alive. You must admit, for someone who didn't know for sure about your attitude in previous mafia games, the reason why one should believe in your innocence was ridiculous. Besides, you are never mentioned as mafia in the Mafia FAQ and synopsis (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1266118&postcount=4) (with the exception of a mini mafia game, which you won), so can someone please tell me which game you are all talking about?

Caius

03-04-2007, 22:16

I should go for abstain all, then no lynch at all.That can give you time.

Stig

03-04-2007, 22:18

I should go for abstain all, then no lynch at all.That can give you time.
Abstaining is similiar to not voting, which will get you WoG'ed

Andres

03-04-2007, 23:04

Killing two innocents from that list would have made Stig suspicious. So he only kills one "innocent". After that, he choses to kill CA. Allthough he was on Kommodus' list, it was not very likely that CA would have gotten lynched. Add to that that CA displayed the will to follow Kommodus, no matter what. So, Ichigo was a certain vote for Stig: killed. CA was the only "suspect" capable of voting for Stig, so, if he had to kill a suspect to draw away the attention from him ('I wouldn't be that stupid!'), CA was the best choice.

If you played Midgard you know I'm not that stupid

:laugh4:

Sasaki Kojiro

03-04-2007, 23:15

heh, this seems appropriate:

https://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9164/20070226xp8.gif

Andres

03-04-2007, 23:22

Hey, there's a new smiley, especially invented for Kommodus : :holmes:

Csargo

03-04-2007, 23:28

Lynch Stig that's all that's left he doesn't seem to want to answer questions directed towards him. :logic:

Stig

03-04-2007, 23:31

Lynch Stig that's all that's left he doesn't seem to want to answer questions directed towards him. :logic:
What question do I need to answer?

Yours?

Why don't you answer why you thought a tie wasn't good in the beginning then decided it was good later on?
That's simple. I didn't know that after a tie we get another day fase. I thought it would mean simply no lynch and then the night fase.

Csargo

03-04-2007, 23:42

What question do I need to answer?

Yours?

That's simple. I didn't know that after a tie we get another day fase. I thought it would mean simply no lynch and then the night fase.

Why didn't you answer it before?

Stig

03-04-2007, 23:43

Why didn't you answer it before?
I missed it ... and I believe I already answered it multiple times

Sasaki Kojiro

03-05-2007, 00:57

That's simple. I didn't know that after a tie we get another day fase. I thought it would mean simply no lynch and then the night fase.

This is clearly a lie:

I'm in favour of a tie, it gives us more discussion

Unvote: Count Arach
Vote: Xiahou

Crazed Rabbit

03-05-2007, 01:02

Well, in lieu of that, I'm going to
unvote: Andres

So there is a tie between Stig and Andres - I suppose a tie killing them both would be too much to ask, so I'll settle for some more talk. I don't want Stig to walk away with this if he's mafia.

Crazed Rabbit

pevergreen

03-05-2007, 01:11

My feedback:

I hate long posts. I cant continue writing for that long.

I think two mafia are alive. They could have collaborated to make the pale man kill twice. Some other mafia game, when the mafia chose someone as mafia and got them lynched, they made it look like only one person was writing until they were found out.

I believe the mafia Kommodus Has been lurking after his "results"

I believe they are faked.

Lynch Kommo :bow:

Sasaki Kojiro

03-05-2007, 01:13

pevergreen if there were two mafia left we would have already lost. 5 alive, lynch a mafioso, 2 townies die, that leaves us with one mafia and one townie. No lynch, mafia wins.

So we can ignore that scenario.

GeneralHankerchief

03-05-2007, 01:55

So we can ignore that scenario.

Actually, no.

If a mafia team makes it that far without their numbers being depleted then my "reward" to them is to let the town flounder around for the last redundant round or two.

Crazed Rabbit

03-05-2007, 01:57

Well, yeah, but in that case we've already lost - so it's best for the town to ignore it.

CR

Sasaki Kojiro

03-05-2007, 02:17

Actually, no.

If a mafia team makes it that far without their numbers being depleted then my "reward" to them is to let the town flounder around for the last redundant round or two.

We can still ignore it, like rabbit said. Would be futile.

This would be exactly the way Kommodus should play it if he were mafia mind you. But 'tis pointless.

Kommodus

03-05-2007, 03:35

Hm, now that I'm back from my ski trip, it seems there's a lot to catch up on.

That's simple. I didn't know that after a tie we get another day fase. I thought it would mean simply no lynch and then the night fase.

This is clearly a lie:

I'm in favour of a tie, it gives us more discussion

Unvote: Count Arach
Vote: Xiahou

Actually, Stig is telling the truth here. At the beginning of the game, he was playing Midgard Saga, in which Sigurd chose to not lynch anyone in the event of a tie. He quickly learned that the rules were different in GH games, and changed his tune immediately afterwards.

Now, I actually believe Stig is innocent. I may be completely fooled here, in which I'll take my hat off to Stig for playing an excellent game. However, I think my vote is going elsewhere.

Let's have a look at how the voting in the last round went down:

1. Stig casts the first vote for Dutch_guy. DG fights back without voting. (Tally: DG 1)

2. Kommo votes AtC. (Tally: DG 1, AtC 1)

3. Kage votes Kommo. (Tally: DG 1, AtC 1, Kommo 1)

4. Kommo unvotes AtC, votes DG without explanation. (Tally: DG 2, Kommo 1)

5. AtC votes BK, voices suspicions of Kommo, DG. (Tally: DG 2, Kommo 1, BK 1)

6. AtC responds to BK's defense by unvoting BK, voting CR. (Tally: DG 2, Kommo 1, CR 1)

7. Arguing begins in ernest as DG defends self and Kommo presses attack. AtC fights back against Kommo.

8. CR votes DG. AtC questions this. (Tally: DG 3, Kommo 1, CR 1)

9. Stig unvotes DG, votes CR, citing doubts about Kommo's reasoning. (Tally: DG 2, CR 2, Kommo 1)

10. DG votes CR in attempt to save self. (Tally: CR 3, DG 2, Kommo 1)

11. Kage unvotes Kommo, votes DG, citing suspicions about DG's will to live. (Tally: CR 3, DG 3)

12. Ichigo votes DG. (Tally: DG 4, CR 3)

13. DG is lynched.

Now, what can we learn from this?

I have noted on more than one occasion that everyone who voted DG is innocent, since a single vote going the other way would've decided the game for the mafia. However, on further reflection this argument isn't absolutely airtight. Prior to DG's lynch, there were actually nine players left, and no knowledge that BK would be WoG'd. Had we lynched an innocent player at that point, and no one had been WoG'd, the game might've played out like this:

Innocent player lynched: 9 - 1 = 8, with 2 mafiosi remaining
Mafia kill two: 8 - 2 = 6, with 2 mafiosi remaining
If mafioso lynched: 6 - 1 = 5, with 1 mafioso remaining
Mafia kill two: 5 - 2 = 3, with 1 mafioso remaining

This leaves one more voting round, with two villagers and one mafioso. That situation is a bit dangerous for the mafia. It is therefore possible that a mafioso voted for his partner in order to provide an ironclad alibi for the rest of the game.

However, who (if anyone) might've done this?

I believe strongly in CR's innocence. Andres has roundly criticized me for doing this based on CR's rep, but perhaps he doesn't realize that CR and I have been around since the beginning. I know the guy better than Andres does. Now that Ichigo has backed up CR's claim, Andres has changed his tune and accepted it.

Ichigo is dead. That leaves Kagemusha. For the sake of completeness I must therefore mention the fact that it's possible that Kage "saw the writing on the wall" and knew that DG would be lynched. Changing his vote as he did would've provided him with just the ironclad alibi he would need in the endgame. However, this would be an extremely risky strategy this late in the game. Given the fact that Kage changed his vote when CR was ahead in voting 3-2, this seems an unlikely move. I've gone over Kage's posts and not found anything particularly suspicious, though he did doubt me pretty consistently. If he's guilty, he's played a great game and my hat will be off to him at the end of this.

So I return to my original premise, that either Stig or Andres are guilty. I've already said that I believe Stig. That leaves Andres. Let's have a look at some of his recent statements.

Last round, I was really convinced Kommodus and CR were our two mafiosi. It seems I was wrong about at least one of them, or maybe both, in which case I indeed deserve to get lynched as a bad townie, abused by the mafia :shame:

Andres, if you are indeed innocent, then you have been badly deceived by the mafia. I would say you deserved to be lynched, except that we don't have time for such nonsense in the final round.

However, I believe that, in fact, you are a mafioso.

Afterwards, Kommodus got questioned by several players. Than something very strange happens. Allthough 'holmes' didn't detect D_G, he suddenly claims that he must be mafia, because he didn't got detected by 'holmes'. This is very confusing to me: a) the first suspect is ATC, 'holmes' points it out b) the second suspect must be Dutch_Guy, he didn't got noticed by 'holmes', so he must be mafia! ~:confused:

And I didn't see him posting in the drunkards thread :laugh4:

What's bothered me about you quite a few times, Andres, is that you've argued for a false position using arguments that are patently invalid. Here you do it again. My argument against DG was completely unrelated to the results of Holmes - it was based on an analysis of his posts. Sometimes you've reduced me to the results of my program; sometimes you've attacked my program; sometimes you've questioned me for going outside the bounds of my program. At no point have you shown an understanding of my reasoning (even though I think I've been fairly clear). You accuse me of inconsistency where none exists, which bears all the marks of an obsufscator.

If you're a townie, my friend, then you are a really, really bad one. (No personal offense intended.)

By way of concession, it's a little hard for me to believe that you would've associated so closely with Dutch_guy in the last round by arguing the same case. Mafia are usually careful to avoid that. However, they might well have thought they had a good chance of discrediting the opposition and carrying there huge lead to victory, especially with so few villagers left.

Anyway, all that's left is this one final formality:

Vote: AndresTheCunning

Good game, no matter which side wins. :bow:

Sasaki Kojiro

03-05-2007, 03:45

"Actually, Stig is telling the truth here. At the beginning of the game, he was playing Midgard Saga, in which Sigurd chose to not lynch anyone in the event of a tie. He quickly learned that the rules were different in GH games, and changed his tune immediately afterwards."

Explain why he thought a tie would give us more time for discussion then?

Kommodus

03-05-2007, 04:10

Explain why he thought a tie would give us more time for discussion then?

Look at the timing Sasaki. At the beginning of the game he didn't know that a tie would give more time for discussion - he thought it would result in no lynch. Then it was explained to him that a tie would allow for more discussion. The statement you quoted came well after that.

He still might be guilty; I just don't want the decision made based on false information.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-05-2007, 04:37

Look at the timing Sasaki. At the beginning of the game he didn't know that a tie would give more time for discussion - he thought it would result in no lynch. Then it was explained to him that a tie would allow for more discussion. The statement you quoted came well after that.

He still might be guilty; I just don't want the decision made based on false information.

Right, but we asked him why he changed his position on ties in voting me and he said it was because he'd had the rules wrong. He'd been corrected on the rules before voting me, and had in fact supported ties before that.

Stig

03-05-2007, 08:13

This is clearly a lie:
That's wrong .... you yourself explained to me that ties where good. After that I made that vote.

Right, but we asked him why he changed his position on ties in voting me and he said it was because he'd had the rules wrong. He'd been corrected on the rules before voting me, and had in fact supported ties before that.
Wrong, and I'm not going to look things up for you ... do it yourself if your that wrong

Andres

03-05-2007, 09:59

Ok, an explanation is in order.

A) Why was I so persistently pursuing Crazed Rabbit?

1) he was lurking throughout the game, meanwhile posting in other threads
2) when questioned and heavily under fire he answered that he posted elsewhere because in other threads he didn't have to read a massive amount of posts.
3) This was a lie, since he posted frequently in Midgard where the amount of posts was superior to the amount of posts in here
4) His voting behaviour was odd, he never gave his own reasons for voting, he seemed to hide himself behind Kommodus' argumentation
5) He claimed innocence in a pathetic way (at least to me it seemed pathetic)
6) Kommodus claims CR must tell the truth, because he never lied before. I was suspicious of Kommodus, so nono, I don't buy this
7) Ichigo backs CR up - I start to doubt seriously, but Ichigo is alive and is not innocent above doubt, besides I believed in the argumentation above. I don't know what to believe anymore and I'm pretty confused.
8) I checked this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1266118&postcount=4) and, correct me if I'm wrong, I never see a mafia role for CR (with the exception of a mafia role in a mini-mafia which he won (and survived), the claims backing him up talked about CR getting lynched because he didn't want to deny his guilt. I am leaning towards CR as my main suspect again, but I am not totally convinced anymore.
9) Afterwards Sasaki backed him up; Sasaki got lynched, I still wasn't convinced
10) Ichigo backed him up again, Ichigo was murdered and is above suspicion. I drop my accusation against CR.

B) Why did I attack Kommodus?

He had been absent from the game for a long time. All of the sudden he pops up with the results of 'holmes', giving a lengthy list. The guy gives me the creeps (I hope this expression exists in English as well). It is itching somewhere. I don't believe him. I learned his system has failed before and that he won once as a mafia, hiding behind a similar system. I don't like this guy :grin: After a while, he accuses somebody who was not on his suspect list. I am confused, no convinced that this guy is a team with CR. I'm not interested in his argumentation. These are the two mafioso. Time to prosecute and hang them both. Alas, the town lynches Dutch. I'm pretty upset about BK and CA who weren't there to cast their vote and to participate in the discussion. Gah! We lost.

But than we have another round. So there's only one mafia left? I didn't believe it was Dutch, so the theory "who voted for CR is innocent" didn't convince me. Ichigo told me yesterday in the chat that GH always gives some clues in his write-ups. So it was Dutch after all. That leaves me and Stig as possible mafiosi. Besides, if it were Kommodus, he could have tried to put his aim at CR. Both Stig and I were very willing to vote CR. Lynching CR would give Kommodus a mafia victory. He didn't do that. He's innocent. I was wrong.

C) You can find my argumentation aganst Stig here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1450220&postcount=842) and here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1450645&postcount=850). No need to repeat all that (and I hope you do the effort of clicking on the links and reading what's written in those posts.

On a side note: As for not knowing BK would get WoG'ed, I was pretty sure GH would have WoG'ed CA and BK because he said clearly that abstaining wasn't allowed. Seeing how he was pretty strict about pevergreens screenie, I was convinced both players would get WoG'ed. I guess the mafia has speculated likewise.

D) About Dutch: he is experienced, so it's likely that he also knows about GH giving clues in his write-up. Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1450282&postcount=844) he defends me and Kommodus, knowing that Kommo is on nobodies suspect list anymore (since he voted Dutch), except mine. Would an experienced mafia player do such a thing if I was his accomplice?

:bow:

Kagemusha

03-05-2007, 11:35

Vote Stig. It seems our detective is dead,since he has still not revealed. I think the mafioso is one of the Andreas,Kommo or Stig. Il vote Stig.

Kommodus

03-05-2007, 16:06

B) Why did I attack Kommodus?

He had been absent from the game for a long time. All of the sudden he pops up with the results of 'holmes', giving a lengthy list. The guy gives me the creeps (I hope this expression exists in English as well).

Yes, that expression does exist in English. And thank you kindly! :laugh4:

It is itching somewhere. I don't believe him. I learned his system has failed before and that he won once as a mafia, hiding behind a similar system.

Well, sort of... but hiding behind the system didn't help much, and certainly didn't win the game for us. Crappy mafioso that I am, I couldn't help but act all shifty and suspicious. No one believed the results of my system and I went down in flames around mid-game. My partners were smart enough to pull off a win anyway. :tongue:

I don't like this guy :grin:

Aw, I'm sorry to hear that. I still like you, you lovable mafioso you. ~:grouphug:

After a while, he accuses somebody who was not on his suspect list. I am confused, no convinced that this guy is a team with CR.

See, but that's what I'm talking about when I say you've used wierd, nonsensical logic. Why is it suspicious that I change my mind about who I suspect as the game progresses? First you call me suspicious for using my system at all, and then you call me suspicious for not using it? :inquisitive:

Besides, you've never understood how my system works. You attack it for highlighting behavior changes, but there's all sorts of things to look for besides that. There's people who fall within the range of "average" mafioso behavior... there's those whose statistics look just a little too consistent... etc. Then there's those who don't stand out numerically at all but still raise eyebrows when I extract all their posts and do a subjective review.

So have you just been confused from the start, or are you actually guilty? I know your arguments have often been wrong, so is it deliberate or accidental? Mafiosi often try to come up with arguments that have the appearance of reason but lead to the wrong conclusions. I'm going with that explanation.

But than we have another round. So there's only one mafia left? I didn't believe it was Dutch, so the theory "who voted for CR is innocent" didn't convince me.

:no: After everything DG said, and the clues in the execution, you should've known better. Oh wait. You did.

D) About Dutch: he is experienced, so it's likely that he also knows about GH giving clues in his write-up. Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1450282&postcount=844) he defends me and Kommodus, knowing that Kommo is on nobodies suspect list anymore (since he voted Dutch), except mine. Would an experienced mafia player do such a thing if I was his accomplice?

Well, he later tried to backtrack on that. He may have been simply trying to throw people's attention in other directions.

Or maybe Stig is guilty after all. I could, as always, be wrong. :bow:

Stig

03-05-2007, 16:09

So the vote count is:
Andres 2
Stig 2
No vote 1
???

When this is so important, why is Kage not helping with his opinion on all of this?

Andres

03-05-2007, 16:13

See, but that's what I'm talking about when I say you've used wierd, nonsensical logic.

What to expect from a guy who once opened such a thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=67801) :laugh4:

And I'm from Belgium, the country where absurdism was invented :shame:

Kagemusha

03-05-2007, 16:17

Didnt i express pretty clearly what was my opinion Stig? I think you,Kommo or Andreas is the remaining mafioso,or if its two from you guys,we have already lost the game. Im not using analyzing programs or questioning people over and over again in order to create an opportunity where they make mistakes and contradict themselves. I read the thread and make my conclusions based on that. Would it really help now,if i would ask the three of you one at the time: "Are you a mafioso?"?.

Stig

03-05-2007, 16:20

Would it really help now,if i would ask the three of you one at the time: "Are you a mafioso?"?.
Nope, it wouldn't, that's what I tried to say for some time as well. I can't prove my innocence, but no-one can prove that I'm quilty. Same for Andres, same for Kommo, same for CR, same for you.

I did however expect a somewhat more lengthy post

Kagemusha

03-05-2007, 16:24

Well im not much into writing essays either in these games.:smash: The thing is since i dont have proof,i will follow my instincts and based on that i voted for you. If you find that suspicious,go ahead and vote me.

GeneralHankerchief

03-05-2007, 20:27

This voting round will not be concluded until we have a clear majority. So whoever that "no vote" is, change it. :yes:

Stig

03-05-2007, 20:32

*hits CR with wet and smelly fish*

he means you ~D
Choose either me or Andres, the town depends on you to do the right thing

Crazed Rabbit

03-05-2007, 21:12

*hits CR with wet and smelly fish*

he means you ~D
Choose either me or Andres, the town depends on you to do the right thing

Ouch! lol

Gah, it comes down to poor old me to save the town.

Who to choose, who to choose...

Well... - vote: Andres

Let us hope I am right.

CR

Kommodus

03-05-2007, 21:41

Ouch! lol

Gah, it comes down to poor old me to save the town.

Ouch indeed. I can't say I envy the position you were placed in, CR. :dizzy2:

Down the stretch, I kept revisiting Stig and thinking about how suspicious he has seemed now and then throughout the game. Heck, even Kage was looking a mite suspicious at the end, what with that whole "if you think I'm suspicious then vote for me" thing.

Nevertheless, I voted for Andres and I'm sticking with it. I hope we're both right.

Of course I can't help but have a terrible feeling about this. If only we had one less WoG victim... one more round! I can't escape the nagging feeling we've been bested by a clever mafioso.

Oh well, for better or for worse it's decided. Let's hope for the best. *crosses fingers*

Crazed Rabbit

03-05-2007, 21:47

Well, if it's Kage, you, or stig the mafia deserves the win.

Crazed Rabbit

Sasaki Kojiro

03-05-2007, 21:49

Andres is too wordy to reread on lol.

Kagemusha

03-05-2007, 21:54

Hmmmm....:inquisitive: Or maybe the clever mafioso is you Kommodus. Can you give me analysis why you are still alive,when you are so dangerous to mafia with your methods?

Stig

03-05-2007, 22:03

I swear on everything that is holy to an atheist like me that I'm no mafia
I think that Andres is the mafia
And I will kill Kage if he is :furious3:
I doubt that Kommo or CR are mafia, they make to much sense

Sasaki Kojiro

03-05-2007, 22:04

Why are you swearing that Stig? Andres is ahead in votes.

Kagemusha

03-05-2007, 22:10

Something is not right in this situation or then my gut is failing me.Unvote Stig and Vote Kommodus.

Kommodus

03-05-2007, 22:11

Hmmmm....:inquisitive: Or maybe the clever mafioso is you Kommodus. Can you give me analysis why you are still alive,when you are so dangerous to mafia with your methods?

One of the biggest puzzles of this final round, Kage, is why you are still alive, considering the fact that no one has been seriously suspicious of you in the course of the whole game. Both Stig and I thought you would be killed last night for that reason (though perhaps he was bluffing). When you survived, I began to revisit my earlier conclusions and seriously consider you as a suspect.

Everyone knows it's dangerous for the mafia to prove my innocence by killing me. My method may be dangerous, but I've been wrong before and perhaps I am again. As for Stig, if it's him he's played a fine game, but I'll still be embarrassed because others have pointed to him, yet I will have failed to have come to the correct conclusion.

Dutch_guy

03-05-2007, 22:13

Well, if it's Kage, you, or stig the mafia deserves the win.

Crazed Rabbit

Indeed.

:balloon2:

Stig

03-05-2007, 22:23

Why are you swearing that Stig? Andres is ahead in votes.
Sorry, my bad, I wasn't clear.

I will kill Kage if Kage is mafia, as he played it too good.

Both Stig and I thought you would be killed last night for that reason (though perhaps he was bluffing). When you survived, I began to revisit my earlier conclusions and seriously consider you as a suspect.
I would have killed Kage if I was mafia.
Before the day we had 2 groups:
CR and Kommo
Andres and Stig
Ichigo, Kage and CA were low profile. Next to that CA wasn't active.
What I would do was kill Kage and Ichigo, and simply hope that CA would follow my side (as I would vote the same as Andres) or not vote as he's inactive. Or I would simply make him a suspect (Sasaki already names him as suspicious just before (he didn't get WoG'ed) and I would name him a lurker.

But I'm no mafia, so I couldn't do this, would have been the winning strategy imo

Kagemusha

03-05-2007, 22:36

One of the biggest puzzles of this final round, Kage, is why you are still alive, considering the fact that no one has been seriously suspicious of you in the course of the whole game. Both Stig and I thought you would be killed last night for that reason (though perhaps he was bluffing). When you survived, I began to revisit my earlier conclusions and seriously consider you as a suspect.

Everyone knows it's dangerous for the mafia to prove my innocence by killing me. My method may be dangerous, but I've been wrong before and perhaps I am again. As for Stig, if it's him he's played a fine game, but I'll still be embarrassed because others have pointed to him, yet I will have failed to have come to the correct conclusion.

So what makes you then sure about that Andreas is guilty? To me your last post after CR, sounded like you were relieved becouse the game had turned your way, sounds just like a mafia player making a mistake in the finish line.
I think im alive becouse i have became some kind of mafia "trophy" becouse of the "curse". If Andreas is the mafioso,why he is not even trying to defend himself anymore?

GeneralHankerchief

03-05-2007, 23:26

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

Stig

03-05-2007, 23:30

Exciting...

Have we won? Were you mafia Andres?

GeneralHankerchief

03-05-2007, 23:31

You won't know until morning.

Stig

03-05-2007, 23:32

You won't know until morning.
Damned you :furious3:

Anyway the game is over ... we can easely reveal our roles

GeneralHankerchief

03-05-2007, 23:36

Yes, but I like to keep you all in suspense. :evilgrin:

Now silence. The execution must be posted.

Sasaki Kojiro

03-05-2007, 23:37

I was mafia ~:pimp:

I figured you guys would trust me after I let myself get lynched.

gg all

Andres

03-05-2007, 23:43

Gah!

In Midgard I get lynched during Carnaval, now I get lynched during a family reunion.

Nice game, had great fun.

Thank you GH :bow:

Stig

03-05-2007, 23:46

I was mafia ~:pimp:

I figured you guys would trust me after I let myself get lynched.

gg all

That will mean you'll never be trusted again, unless we know for sure that you're innocent

Crazed Rabbit

03-05-2007, 23:52

Really Sasaki? I'm not going to forget rule#1, you know.

*CR goes home, sets the alarms and booby traps, bars the doors, let's the dogs loose, double checks pistols, shotguns, and rifles, and prepares for a fitful night of sleeping*...if I should die, before I wake...

Crazed Rabbit

GeneralHankerchief

03-05-2007, 23:53

Sunset.

The little group of friends that was all that remained of the once-bustling Kingdom of Peace and Love had concluded their terrible ritual for the final time. For better or for worse, it was out of their hands now. Only God/General Hankerchief would decide whether they deserved to live.

Chief of Police Beirut also made his penultimate (he hoped) announcement. There was no need to really raise his voice now, since there were only five souls ready to hear him.

"Gentlemen," he began, "You have hereby- oh, screw it. I'm done with being official. AndresTheCunning, just get up here."

Andres made his way to the execution platform with absolutely no expression on his face. Had he been hardened from all the death around him? The loss of his friends, even the loss of hope? Nobody could really tell.

Before placing his head on the block, Andres looked at the Chief of Police. "Aren't you going to ask me if I have any last words?" Beirut nodded, and Andres spoke quietly to the four other villagers.

"Good luck, you guys."

After that, Andres assumed the position on the chopping block, and Beirut solemnly swung his axe. After a dull "thud," Andres's pale head rolled off the platform, stopping right where the four remaining villagers were gathered together.

On that disturbing note, the final four went home. All went to sleep with bated breath.

Here is the voting summary for the final round:

AndresTheCunning: 3 (Stig, Crazed Rabbit, Kommodus) :skull:
Stig: 1 (AndresTheCunning)
Kommodus: 1 (Kagemusha)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (4)
Kagemusha
Stig
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus

Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Warluster
JimBob
Fenring
pevergreen
ByzantineKnight

Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Rythmic
sapi
Sir Boo
Sir Moody
ChuggtheSquirrel
Faust| (replaces Destroyer of Hope who suicided)
Seamus Fermanagh
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Pannonian
CountArach
Ichigo

Executed:
HughTower
discovery1
Caius Flaminius
Xiahou
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy
AndresTheCunning

Stig

03-06-2007, 00:00

If Sasaki really was mafia, who the [F-word] was the other one?
Kommo, Kage or CR?

Andres

03-06-2007, 00:08

Nice going town :no:

Crazed Rabbit

03-06-2007, 00:13

If Sasaki was mafia, he was going after you while three of us went after Andres.

Kage might be if Andres isn't. I see a disturbing similarity between his vote for Kommodus here and the vote he didn't put on sigurd in mini mafia that would have won the game for the mafia.

Kommodus? Maybe. He might have learned from his last outing as mafia to actually come up with some results from his programs.

Stig? Maybe indeed. You did vote for me, but you don't seem as mafioso like as Andres. Still...

Either way, if people are killed tonight, I'm going to shoot (at) the remaining frontroom resident - I'm not going down with a katana to the back like Divine Wind in Mafia I to Kage, but with lot's of hot brass around me and many holes in my body armor!

EDIT: Andres, I'm not buying any claims until GH's final summary.

Crazed Rabbit

Stig

03-06-2007, 00:15

Stig? Maybe indeed. You did vote for me, but you don't seem as mafioso like as Andres.
I'm not I swear that

Csargo

03-06-2007, 00:22

:bigcry: WHY GH? WHY!?!?!?!?!?!

Andres

03-06-2007, 00:29

Bad GH, making poor little Ichigo cry :no:

Sasaki Kojiro

03-06-2007, 00:35

Can you guys guess who the other one really was?

Stig

03-06-2007, 00:36

Can you guys guess who the other one really was?
I'd say Kage, and I'm going to kill him :furious3:

Csargo

03-06-2007, 00:41

Can you guys guess who the other one really was?

If you were really mafia then kommo.

Reenk Roink

03-06-2007, 02:38

Have no fear!

The Mafia are acumenly challenged. Even if one survives, he'll probably vote for himself and be lynched. :laugh4:

pevergreen

03-06-2007, 02:40

fooled you all. :laugh4:

WoG helped me win :2thumbsup:

Csargo

03-06-2007, 02:41

Have no fear!

The Mafia are acumenly challenged. Even if one survives, he'll probably vote for himself and be lynched. :laugh4:

:laugh4:

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 02:49

The other mafioso was...

...

...

...

...ME!!!!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

And it is SO gratifying to see the town lynch its last hope, the ever-irritating AndresTheCunning! I knew that guy would be a thorn in our side from very early on, so I cooked up some phony results from Holmes and stuck to my guns... just like a real Kommo would... :holmes:

But then you dorks wouldn't believe me. So I had to switch targets. Really, if DG hadn't made such a big deal of being lynched it probably wouldn't have worked. But he got all defensive, and from there it was a simple matter to divide the town into two opposing camps, with me squarely on the "right" side. :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Sasaki and I are an unstoppable team. You guys never stood a chance! :smash:

PWNED!!!! :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 02:54

Have no fear!

The Mafia are acumenly challenged. Even if one survives, he'll probably vote for himself and be lynched. :laugh4:

Come now, Reenkacorpse, that's no way to speak of your killer, is it? ~;)

Csargo

03-06-2007, 03:05

First you refuse to end the game until tomorrow GH, and now you leave me in the chat alone. That's just low. :no:

Reenk Roink

03-06-2007, 03:12

Come now, Reenkacorpse, that's no way to speak of your killer, is it? ~;)

In Mafia IV, I investigated Masy posthumously. GeneralHankerchief told me that the town had won, but requested that I be quiet until he himself posted the end, as to not spoil the surprise.

I killed you twice, in much cooler ways by the way. If you are indeed the Mafia, you didn't fool me. Sasaki Kojiro was my suspect from the start. I had an intense psychological experience that he was guilty. I would probably have lynched you as well, had I survived.

Faust|

03-06-2007, 03:21

Gah! I had thought, even before Reenk was murdered, if it wasn't Reenk it was Sasaki... but I didn't want to make a ~:joker: out of myself twice! I suppose it happened anyway though :shame:

Faust|

03-06-2007, 03:26

I also thought something was fishy when Sasaki posted his "I have exam week coming up" excuse... look at his "shant's" and so forth. But being a student just applying to grad school I thought: "nah, he's probably just stressed" :shame:

I suppose sometimes you must stick with what is most likely instead of what may be, even if the latter is "more" devious, or "more" of whatever other subjective judgement you will.

Crazed Rabbit

03-06-2007, 04:26

Twas you, Kommo? If I recall the mafia can only kill two people - leaving one person alive. What happens in the event of a tie, hmm?

I remain skeptical of all claims until GH's final summary.

CR

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 04:33

Twas you, Kommo? If I recall the mafia can only kill two people - leaving one person alive. What happens in the event of a tie, hmm?

I remain skeptical of all claims until GH's final summary.

CR

Hehehehe...

Read GH's comments. That was indeed the final round. You and your friends are doomed... DOOMED, I SAY! HAHAHAHAHA!!!! :skull:

Crazed Rabbit

03-06-2007, 06:22

I suppose it's too late too flee out of town, giving no heed to any 'cops' what try and stop me?

Crazed Rabbit

Kagemusha

03-06-2007, 08:15

Stig

03-06-2007, 08:18

Well the mafia won't win the game, it will be a tie really. ~D

Well Kage, I doubt they will still be trusted

Crazed Rabbit

03-06-2007, 08:22

No, the mafia will probably be able to kill off the last three villagers.

If they are still alive.

As I said before, I'm not buying any claims until GH's final post.

CR

Stig

03-06-2007, 08:27

No, the mafia will probably be able to kill off the last three villagers.
That's cheating, changing the rules to allow the mafia to win :furious3: :whip: :furious3:

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 15:05

That's cheating, changing the rules to allow the mafia to win :furious3: :whip: :furious3:

No, that's actually the way the game of Mafia is normally played. Once the remaining mafia can't be lynched because their numbers are greater than or equal to the remaining townspeople, they win. :2thumbsup:

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 15:25

Lets wait untill the fat lady has sang. But if the mafia duo was indeed Kommo and Sasaki,its just like a scenario i and GH talked about while back. Back then if i remember right,my opinion was that those two would be pretty much unbeatable,becouse the town people have strange way of trusting some people more then others in these games. While you should never trust anyone in a mafia game,what ever they may have done in earlier games, or expect certain players to win these games for you.:no:

Dag-nabbit... it was you all along, Kage! :stare:

Sorry guys. My phony mafioso claim was only intended to flush out the real mafioso. Looks like Kagemusha remains the only player who can win and survive in GH games as mafia.

Gah, I can't believe you managed to pull the wool over our eyes again (though I didn't play in Mafia I). You are too good at this, Kage. I suppose getting your patner Dutch_guy lynched turned out to be a stroke of genius after all.

Still, looking back I know I should've been able to figure it out. There were signs, but I just didn't take them seriously enough. :shame:

My hat's off to you, my friend. You are an excellent mafioso; that can't be denied. This round is yours. :shakehands:

Dutch_guy

03-06-2007, 16:30

Dag-nabbit... it was you all along, Kage! :stare:

Sorry guys. My phony mafioso claim was only intended to flush out the real mafioso. Looks like Kagemusha remains the only player who can win and survive in GH games as mafia.

Gah, I can't believe you managed to pull the wool over our eyes again (though I didn't play in Mafia I). You are too good at this, Kage. I suppose getting your patner Dutch_guy lynched turned out to be a stroke of genius after all.

Still, looking back I know I should've been able to figure it out. There were signs, but I just didn't take them seriously enough. :shame:

My hat's off to you, my friend. You are an excellent mafioso; that can't be denied. This round is yours. :shakehands:

:laugh:

Crazed Rabbit

03-06-2007, 17:27

So now it's Kage and DG, is it Kommo?

I'm still not buying it until the final summary.

CR

Andres

03-06-2007, 17:30

It was GH! I tell you, it was him!

:inquisitive:

He's part of the spinache-pie conspiracy. I say you lynch him.

Kagemusha

03-06-2007, 17:54

Lol!Kommodus. You and your reveals.:laugh4: I hope GH will soon reveal your mafia team so i can congratulate you guys for great play as mafia.:smash:

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 18:37

After that, Andres assumed the position on the chopping block, and Beirut solemnly swung his axe. After a dull "thud," Andres's pale head rolled off the platform, stopping right where the four remaining villagers were gathered together.

Oh, wait a second. How did I miss that? Looks like Andres really was guilty after all.

Phew. :sweatdrop:

Pannonian

03-06-2007, 18:45

GH is killing me with all this waiting. Which is some feat considering I'm already dead.

HughTower

03-06-2007, 18:55

You & me both.

I've been lurking around since I realised I weren't helping one bit, & I've been very confused over the last few pages.

Kommodus isn't helping that, of course.:laugh4:

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 20:25

You & me both.

I've been lurking around since I realised I weren't helping one bit, & I've been very confused over the last few pages.

Kommodus isn't helping that, of course.:laugh4:

Right, sorry about that. :embarassed:

Believe me, I'm as anxious to see how this turns out as anyone. I know I've been acting wierd since the end of the final voting round, but only because I wanted to have a little fun (and, if possible, find out if we got it right). Right now I'm feeling a little better about my original theory that AtC and DG were the mafia team, but that's not saying much... if Stig or Kage turn out to be guilty I'm going to bang my head against the wall for an hour. :wall:

Crazed Rabbit

03-06-2007, 20:47

If it was stig and Kage that last round mattered not at all.

You really aren't helping at all in this Kommodus. :thumbsdown: :dizzy2:

So, when will we find out? Inquisitive villagers want to know.

CR

Kagemusha

03-06-2007, 20:57

Or was it CR and Kommo?:inquisitive: I think more games should go to this,so we would be still guessing at this stage.:yes:

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 21:09

You really aren't helping at all in this Kommodus. :thumbsdown: :dizzy2:

Fine then, I really am mafia. Does that help more?

...or maybe I'm not. Am I? I don't even know anymore. :dizzy2:

C'mon, GH, hurry up and post the ending! :whip: I need to find out if I'm guilty or not!

GeneralHankerchief

03-06-2007, 21:15

Oh, this is going to really fun to write... :evil: :evilgrin:

(Tosa, we need more evil smilies!)

Crazed Rabbit

03-06-2007, 21:29

What the..? I come to this thread after seeing GH has posted, and now it's only to taunt us?! GAH!! IS THERE NO JUSTICE IN THE WORLD?!?!

Or was it CR and Kommo? I think more games should go this,so we would be still guessing at this stage.

Well, it wasn't me. Is it you? :inquisitive:

CR

Andres

03-06-2007, 21:31

Oh, this is going to really fun to write... :evil: :evilgrin:

(Tosa, we need more evil smilies!)

You think that's funny eh?

Vote : GeneralHankerchief

Talk or get lynched :whip:

Kagemusha

03-06-2007, 21:49

What the..? I come to this thread after seeing GH has posted, and now it's only to taunt us?! GAH!! IS THERE NO JUSTICE IN THE WORLD?!?!

Well, it wasn't me. Is it you? :inquisitive:

CR

It wasnt me either,maybe it was Andreas?:juggle: Only sensible thing to do at this point is to Vote GH!:smash:

GeneralHankerchief

03-06-2007, 22:01

I'd just like everyone to know that the final scene will be up shortly.

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 22:09

I'd just like everyone to know that the final scene will be up shortly.

Hm, I find this very suspicious. At first he's content to leave us all hanging in suspense, but when he's suddenly threatened with lynching, it's all "the ending will be up shortly?" Hm... :inquisitive:

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Sasaki Kojiro

03-06-2007, 22:11

I plan on deleting as soon as I see it, banning GH, and laughing at you all.

GeneralHankerchief

03-06-2007, 22:13

Hm, I find this very suspicious. At first he's content to leave us all hanging in suspense, but when he's suddenly threatened with lynching, it's all "the ending will be up shortly?" Hm... :inquisitive:

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Actually, that was also supposed to trick you.

See, the idea was, you saw me post, and then rush in only to be greeted with something you already know. Rather ingenious, if you happen to love having people in this situation.

See look, I just did it again. I bet you people thought that this post was what you had been waiting for! Ha!

(in all seriousness, it will be up very soon)

Dutch_guy

03-06-2007, 22:15

I plan on deleting as soon as I see it, banning GH, and laughing at you all.

:laugh4:

:balloon2:

Kagemusha

03-06-2007, 22:15

Unvote GH and Vote Sasaki.Thats just so evil that you cant be anything other then Moderator or Mafioso and we all know that those robes are just a scheme to fool us.:inquisitive:

GeneralHankerchief

03-06-2007, 22:28

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. The air itself was filled with anticipation.

Nobody got a wink of sleep the previous night. Some had tried, but kept tossing and turning. Others, more resourceful, had realized that no sleep would come and kept themselves busy by booby-trapping their houses. If they were to die, then they would go out fighting.

The night came and went without any stirrings. But that was not to be unexpected. The mafia, after all, had not hit a target during the hours where the sun was not up yet. This trend continued in the wee hours of the morning. Nobody moved. Breakfast was second to survival. Everyone was tense.

Finally the stirrings were broken at about a quarter past eight, when Chief of Police Beirut exited his heavily-fortified office and got in his car. No matter how risky it was (the mafia could be waiting to snipe him, after all), he realized that as Chief of Police he would eventually have to take some kind of initiative.

He turned his key in the ignition. The car started up and it didn't explode.

"Well, that's a good sign," he said to himself. Minor victories were still victories, after all.

As Beirut, drove around the desolated Frontroom, he shook his head about how much had changed. In a matter of one week the place had gone from the heartbeat of life to a ghost town. The only living inhabitant aside from himself (that he could see) was ominously a vulture, flying overhead.

Finally, the car reached its destination and Beirut got out. He looked around. Mafiosi could be hiding anywhere. Or possibly in plain sight. Nervously, he knocked on the house's door. It was one of the few that was still lit from the inside.

The door opened, and the Chief of Police found himself staring at Kommodus, who grinned. Was it in relief or was it twisted? Beirut couldn't really tell.

"Is it secret? Is it safe?"

Kommodus looked at him oddly. "Of course it is. You didn't think I wouldn't put high security on this kind of thing, especially after what's happened?"

"I wouldn't know. I'm more of an outdoorsy person. Besides, this could all be a large ruse."

Kommodus nodded. "It could."

Beirut was now extremely high-strung from the conversation that had been taking place. He stumbled over his words for a bit, then recovered.

"Look, don't play games with me. For the safety of the good people, I'm taking the item over to my office. If you die today then all we have worked for will have been in vain."

Kommodus grew angry at these words. "Safety? You're the guy who was overseeing things when this town went to hell! Under your watch the mafia have killed all but four of us! Why should I hand it to you? No, I'm taking it and I'm leaving here!"

That was all Beirut needed to hear. "You mean like what Pannonian tried, before he was killed? You're not going anywhere until I know for sure people's innocence." Both men pulled out their guns at the exact same time and pointed them at each other. Mexican standoff.

"If only I had been a little quicker," both men thought. Now they were stuck. The impasse lasted for over an hour.

Finally, the door burst open. Crazed Rabbit barrelled his way in, looking wildly around, gun in hand.

"Kommodus, where is it? Let's take it over to my place, I spent the whole night booby-trapping it! It's a fortress!" He froze in place, transfixed at the Mexican standoff. It just so happened that when this happened, his gun was pointed at the Chief of Police.

Kommodus moved his gun away from Beirut to Rabbit. "So you've finally tracked it down, eh? Well, it's not going to work. Stick 'em up, mafioso!" Beirut, meanwhile, kept his gun pointed at Kommodus.

"I don't think so, trying to endear yourself to me at the last minute. You're under arrest!"

Rabbit was totally confused, or maybe he just seemed that way. In any case, he didn't move his gun away from the Chief of Police. "Why are you here, anyway, Beirut? Have you been deceiving us this entire time?" The three men now had their guns pointed at each other. The argument quickly deteriorated into a screamfest.

Meanwhile, a car pulled up to Kommodus's driveway. In it were two people that seemed friendly to each other.

They were Kagemusha and Stig.

Kage opened the door without knocking. "Hey Kommodus, I thought that we could all hang out at your place, strength in numbers and all... that..."

Kage trailed off. The motion of three guns simultaneously pointing at him and his buddy Stig would do that to you.

Stig stopped. "Wait! Wait! WAIT! Hold on a minute! What exactly is this item, anyway?"

Kommodus stared and lowered his gun slightly. "You mean you don't know?"

Stig shook his head vehemently. "I swear, I don't."

Beirut piped in now. "He doesn't know. I can tell when someone's lying. Kommo, why don't you tell us?"

Kommodus reluctantly explained to all that was left of the village. One could call it monologuing, the phrase coined in the popular children's movie The Incredibles when the villain makes his inevitable, long speech.

"The item that the mafia have been seeking is Holmes. My computer program that detects mafiosi. The one that has been renowned throughout the world for significantly putting a huge dent in the mafia's power and influence. As soon as UltraWar and Omanes were killed, I knew that the mafia were coming for it so I contacted most of you villagers that knew something about it and asked them to help protect it. Sadly, all of them died, including Orb, which Holmes identified early on as being a Detective. But now it's in serious danger. The only one left to protect it is, well... me. And it still hasn't given me anything yet."

At that moment a loud beeping sound came from the direction of Kommodus's computer. Rabbit was the first one to speak.

"Is... is that... it?"

"I believe so."

Beirut took charge. "Okay, I'll go first. Anyone who tries to shoot the computer will have to go through me. And I'd just like to remind potential mafiosi that I am wearing a bulletproof vest. When I give the signal, the rest of you can come and look."

Nobody listened to the last part of Beirut's orders, of course. Silently, slowly, the four villagers and their Chief of Police made their way to Kommodus's computer where Holmes had finally given its report. They got within sight of the computer... they could see the screen...

Beirut made his final announcement.

"According to Holmes, the two mafia terrorizing our town are...

...

...

...

...

"Dutch_guy and AndresTheCunning."

"Both of them dead, then."

"Yes, so it would seem. Congratulations villagers, WE HAVE SURVIVED!!!"

Fear and suspicion suddenly turned to jubulant celebration. The rest of the day was spent at Kommodus's house, a huge party taking place. Kommo's place was wrecked, but he didn't care. At least he would live.

The Frontroom quickly turned back to its normal, happy self with the scourge of the mafia being forever eradicated. The birds one again trilled their sweet songs. The colorful flowers once again bloomed, drinking in the sweet golden sun. And the brooks once again burbled with sweet, clear water that was headed nowhere in particular.

The villagers had survived.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here is the final status list. Congratulations to those that survived.

Survived: (4)
Kagemusha
Stig
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus

Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Warluster
JimBob
Fenring
pevergreen
ByzantineKnight

Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb
Rythmic
sapi
Sir Boo
Sir Moody
ChuggtheSquirrel
Faust| (replaces Destroyer of Hope who suicided)
Seamus Fermanagh
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Pannonian
CountArach
Ichigo

Executed:
HughTower
discovery1
Caius Flaminius
Xiahou
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy
AndresTheCunning

Result:

TOWNSPEOPLE VICTORY! :medievalcheers:

Dutch_guy

03-06-2007, 22:39

Damn you, damn you all !

:balloon2:

Pannonian

03-06-2007, 22:41

I'm not going to believe this until the writeups go up. So get going, you three.

GeneralHankerchief

03-06-2007, 22:43

I'm not going to believe this until the writeups go up. So get going, you three.

Dude, there was no way I was going to write this elaborate of a scene unless it was the actual one.

Pannonian

03-06-2007, 22:46

Dude, there was no way I was going to write this elaborate of a scene unless it was the actual one.
I seem to remember robotic lemurs killing everyone as their pater blasted off into space in the first Mafia game I played in. Followed by everyone yelling out their frustration that the obviously guilty Lemur somehow survived.

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 22:46

Phhheeewwwwww..... :sweatdrop:

(That's a huge sigh of relief, which is a bit difficult to represent in text.)

After noticing the clues in GH's execution scenes, I felt a little more confident, but was still on the edge of my seat.

I have no other comments right now. I'll probably add some later.

Dutch_guy

03-06-2007, 22:46

GeneralHankerchief

03-06-2007, 22:47

Yeah, but that wasn't that elaborate. That was basically just Lemur monologuing with the occasional pause to answer an idiotic villager's questioning.

Trust me, this is it. :yes:

HughTower

03-06-2007, 22:48

Impressive town work considering no detective & that the mafia were the last 2 lynches.

Not that I'm claiming any sort of credit for that given Sigurd & Ichigo were both innocent...........:stupido3:

Well done, survivors.

Csargo

03-06-2007, 22:50

Good job Kommo and town.

Kagemusha

03-06-2007, 22:57

So im supposed to believe that we survived? I have been more sure and sure that Kommo is the mafia mastermind,since yesterday evening.:hide:

Seamus Fermanagh

03-06-2007, 22:58

Why is it that, whenever I'm smiling at participating in a Townie victory, nobody can ever see it? :inquisitive:

Is it because of the satin liner, wooden casket, concrete barrier and 5+ feet of dirt that I'm always trying to smile through? :yes:

Congrats townies! Good play Mafiosi! BOTH of you alive that long into the game is quite an accomplishment. Kudos all.

GeneralHankerchief

03-06-2007, 22:59

So im supposed to believe that we survived? I have been more sure and sure that Kommo is the mafia mastermind,since yesterday evening.:hide:

Yes Kage, you survived. :laugh4:

Seamus Fermanagh

03-06-2007, 23:00

Another thought.

Please everybody contribute some good write-ups and commentary. If any person in the Gameroom deserves a 1k+ thread to his name, it is our dear General.

Kagemusha

03-06-2007, 23:04

I guess some thoughts from the mafia about their strategy would be in order.I still cant believe that this turned out this well for us.:sweatdrop:

Xiahou

03-06-2007, 23:04

Wow, stinks for the mafia huh? Probably thought they had it all but sewn up and the *blam*blam*! They both get it, back to back. That's gotta be disappointing. :laugh4:

Andres

03-06-2007, 23:11

Don't worry, it'll be up - Pannonian.

It 'll also include the kill I originally planned for Reenk (and you, as a matter of fact). Yes, that was my bad. I didn't realise the deadline was so close, even though the kill was written long before, so I forgot to send that in. I made it extremely hard, considering the story line I was going to follow, for GenH to write something up in so short notice.

Further more, Congrats town,

Especially You, Kommodus - Well done.

:balloon2:

Sorry Pann and Reenk. I was waiting for Dutch but alas, he was just an hour or so too late, so I had to make a quick write-up myself, which explains why it was a bit sloppy compared to the other ones. I'm a louzy writer compared to him :shame:

As for the meat-kills from the beginning: me too, I wasn't in time to pm a write-up to GH because of Carnaval and Dutch took over. Afterwards we decided to drop the "Do you like meat"-kills.

After that, it was Dutch who put the most effort in the write-ups, I just added some elements of my own (the pale mafioso who was always referring to an earlier attempt by his victims to kill him).

I had some crazy ideas, but Dutch feared my absurd write-ups would reveal me and he suggested to hold my horses on that. He even called me 'die gekke Belg'. Where did he get that?

If we would have won, I would have killed Kage and CR in a rather, ehm, interesting way and Dutch would have made the write-up for the killing of Kommodus. And I can assure you, Kommodus' death would have been very, very painful :laugh4:

Congratulations town :bow:

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 23:14

Congrats townies! Good play Mafiosi! BOTH of you alive that long into the game is quite an accomplishment. Kudos all.

Indeed! Our dear mafia chaps deserve one heck of a round of applause!:applause: :balloon2: :applause: :balloon2: :applause:

This proves that players are here are getting more experienced and clever. AndresTheCunning, it's true I had you pegged from the start, but you did one heck of a job defending yourself... and it took me ages to muster the confidence to launch a proper attack on you.

And as for you, Dutch_guy... you did a fine job of acting natural - so much so that I didn't even suspect you till the seventh round! Perhaps you were a bit like me in Mafia III - wonderful at avoiding suspicion, but not so good when it came to self-defense. Excellent effort, though.

Both of you: I liked your story; it added a nice dose of class to the game. It's always cool when the mafia seem to be carrying out some kind of master plan... :evil:

I'm still waiting with dread for the day when Holmes fails me completely. Thankfully, it is not this day. This day, the final word is:

:holmes: :logic:

Excellent game, all! Thanks to those who trusted me, and regards to those who didn't. And GeneralHankerchief - another game brilliantly hosted. It was truly a pleasure to participate.

Another thought.

Please everybody contribute some good write-ups and commentary. If any person in the Gameroom deserves a 1k+ thread to his name, it is our dear General.

+1

Kommodus

03-06-2007, 23:18

If we would have won, I would have killed Kage and CR in a rather, ehm, interesting way and Dutch would have made the write-up for the killing of Kommodus. And I can assure you, Kommodus' death would have been very, very painful :laugh4:

Eep. :sweatdrop:

This is now only the second game of mafia I've managed to survive. Thanks for letting me live till the end, BTW. I totally dig the respect. :2thumbsup:

Crazed Rabbit

03-06-2007, 23:23

BOOOOYAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

GREAT final writeup GH, and great game.

Once again, Crazed Rabbit, the hunter of mafia from this ocean to the next, scourge of the scum, unlucky but prevalent detective, and occasional leaver of white gloves and smasher with hammers, has gained victory over the mafia, once again demolishing their efforts within the final two rounds, snatching victory from the very jaws of defeat, destroying their victory as it was nearly attained and grinding into ruin their nefarious plans!!

HUZZAH!!!

On another note - the concentration of alcohol per citizen of the frontroom has probably increased significantly since the beginning of these troubles. I suggest we villagers remedy that tonight!

Crazed Rabbit

Andres

03-06-2007, 23:37

This proves that players are here are getting more experienced and clever. AndresTheCunning, it's true I had you pegged from the start, but you did one heck of a job defending yourself... and it took me ages to muster the confidence to launch a proper attack on you.

And as for you, Dutch_guy... you did a fine job of acting natural - so much so that I didn't even suspect you till the seventh round! Perhaps you were a bit like me in Mafia III - wonderful at avoiding suspicion, but not so good when it came to self-defense. Excellent effort, though.

Well, Dutch and I agreed at the beginning of the game that he would lurk, since he never posts alot in mafia games. I would be the noisy one, the "innocent" townie, prosecuting whoever seemed suspicious, making sure a townie would get lynched every round.

We started to kill off the lurkers for 2 reasons: 1) the detective might be lurking ; 2) let the quarelling townies lynch each other.

At the beginning of the game, I was convinced the detective was either Sigurd (who got lynched, yeeha!) or Destroyer of Hope (replaced by faust), so Orb was a very lucky kill.

Our tactic worked quite well, until Kommodus came up with 'holmes'.

I wasn't aware that my posting habits would get me detected by 'holmes' (heck, I didn't even know about the existence of such an evil tool). I was pretty convinced that I was acting rather normal compared to other games. So I started to throw accusations at him, casting doubts, trying the best I could to make that sound reasonable, and it seemed to work. Meanwhile, it was good to hear that Dutch was considered to be very very innocent.

Sasaki's absence in the thread came as a gift. I was very happy that the annoying Sasaki would get lynched, so we didn't have to murder him.

After that, we entered a crucial phase. CR's lurking and posting in other threads was another gift, so it seemed. But than he screams 'I'm not mafia'. I thought: 'Hahaha, thank you CR, that will get you lynched'. Alas, I didn't know CR's reputation of 'the honest, never lying player'.

And Dutch got lynched instead with the narrow margin of one vote... He did a helluva job defending himself, but unfortunately my buddy got lynched.

Afterwards, I saw the post which Kommodus deleted quickly to avoid giving clues to the mafia. I pm'd it to Dutch and we had a little discussion about it. We decided to kill Ichigo, since I was under the impression (from our conversation in the chat) that he didn't trust me at all and I feared he would turn against me. CA was very willing to follow Kommodus, so we decided to kill him as well.

I would try to go after CR. If that wouldn't work, I would let me 'convince' by his innocence and turn my arrows at Kommodus. When you all seemed 100 % sure that it had to be me or Stig (I didn't expect that to happen), I had to think about an explanation why I believed it wasn't Kommodus or CR (and that hurted so bad, deep in my heart, I wanted to see that annoying Kommodus lynched by the mob). I tried to frame Stig, and it almost worked: CR unvoted and voted abstain, Kage popped up and voted Stig... At that time we were soooo close. I was hoping CR wouldn't get online in time to cast his vote and would get WoG'ed for voting abstain, resulting in a tie --> night phase --> three kills=mafia victory.

Alas, CR came back in time, I wasn't here in that last couple of hours because of real life, I came back and noticed it was over...

Great game. Had alot of fun. Thank you, (evil) GH :bow:

Crazed Rabbit

03-06-2007, 23:49

After that, we entered a crucial phase. CR's lurking and posting in other threads was another gift, so it seemed. But than he screams 'I'm not mafia'. I thought: 'Hahaha, thank you CR, that will get you lynched'. Alas, I didn't know CR's reputation of 'the honest, never lying player'.

Honesty is the best policy. Might very well have saved the town this game.

As to my lurking - I admit I didn't spend too much time on this game at the beginning, and then I thought I would see how far I could get by lurking.

It worked, and so I posted barely enough to avoid the WoGH. Noone was really suspicious, and I didn't get offed by the mafia. Andres tried to make a deal out of it for a while, until I had to pull out...the truth, which he apparently didn't see coming. The new kill write-ups after DG's lynch, both done by the pale man, convinced me DG was mafia. Stig seemed honest, and Andres had been going aggressively after me, so he got the lynch.

I tried to frame Stig, and it almost worked: CR unvoted and voted abstain, Kage popped up and voted Stig... At that time we were soooo close. I was hoping CR wouldn't get online in time to cast his vote and would get WoG'ed for voting abstain, resulting in a tie --> night phase --> three kills=mafia victory.

Alas, CR came back in time, I wasn't here in that last couple of hours because of real life, I came back and noticed it was over...

Heehee. How'd you like twisting in the wind, you evil mafioso you? :whip:

Crazed Rabbit

Sasaki Kojiro

03-07-2007, 00:08

Nice. I didn't suspect either of the mafia.

I'll blame it on the lack of time I put in :p

Crazed Rabbit

03-07-2007, 00:25

I find it funny how you were defending both DG and Andres, Sasaki. ~;p

CR

Stig

03-07-2007, 00:26

So we actually won?

Sasaki Kojiro

03-07-2007, 00:32

I find it funny how you were defending both DG and Andres, Sasaki. ~;p

CR

I can't match my timely accusation of pan and reenk.

Caius

03-07-2007, 00:47

Congratulations to those that survived.

Thank you :beam:

Csargo

03-07-2007, 01:02

Well, Dutch and I agreed at the beginning of the game that he would lurk, since he never posts alot in mafia games. I would be the noisy one, the "innocent" townie, prosecuting whoever seemed suspicious, making sure a townie would get lynched every round.

We started to kill off the lurkers for 2 reasons: 1) the detective might be lurking ; 2) let the quarelling townies lynch each other.

At the beginning of the game, I was convinced the detective was either Sigurd (who got lynched, yeeha!) or Destroyer of Hope (replaced by faust), so Orb was a very lucky kill.

Our tactic worked quite well, until Kommodus came up with 'holmes'.

I wasn't aware that my posting habits would get me detected by 'holmes' (heck, I didn't even know about the existence of such an evil tool). I was pretty convinced that I was acting rather normal compared to other games. So I started to throw accusations at him, casting doubts, trying the best I could to make that sound reasonable, and it seemed to work. Meanwhile, it was good to hear that Dutch was considered to be very very innocent.

Sasaki's absence in the thread came as a gift. I was very happy that the annoying Sasaki would get lynched, so we didn't have to murder him.

After that, we entered a crucial phase. CR's lurking and posting in other threads was another gift, so it seemed. But than he screams 'I'm not mafia'. I thought: 'Hahaha, thank you CR, that will get you lynched'. Alas, I didn't know CR's reputation of 'the honest, never lying player'.

And Dutch got lynched instead with the narrow margin of one vote... He did a helluva job defending himself, but unfortunately my buddy got lynched.

Afterwards, I saw the post which Kommodus deleted quickly to avoid giving clues to the mafia. I pm'd it to Dutch and we had a little discussion about it. We decided to kill Ichigo, since I was under the impression (from our conversation in the chat) that he didn't trust me at all and I feared he would turn against me. CA was very willing to follow Kommodus, so we decided to kill him as well.

I would try to go after CR. If that wouldn't work, I would let me 'convince' by his innocence and turn my arrows at Kommodus. When you all seemed 100 % sure that it had to be me or Stig (I didn't expect that to happen), I had to think about an explanation why I believed it wasn't Kommodus or CR (and that hurted so bad, deep in my heart, I wanted to see that annoying Kommodus lynched by the mob). I tried to frame Stig, and it almost worked: CR unvoted and voted abstain, Kage popped up and voted Stig... At that time we were soooo close. I was hoping CR wouldn't get online in time to cast his vote and would get WoG'ed for voting abstain, resulting in a tie --> night phase --> three kills=mafia victory.

Alas, CR came back in time, I wasn't here in that last couple of hours because of real life, I came back and noticed it was over...

Great game. Had alot of fun. Thank you, (evil) GH :bow:

If you wouldn't of killed me you would have most likely have won. :laugh4: Cause I thought Stig was guilty.

Kommodus

03-07-2007, 01:06

Nice. I didn't suspect either of the mafia.

I'll blame it on the lack of time I put in :p

Haha! Yeah, Sasaki, you were pretty off in this game (no offense). Playing too many other mafia games at the same time, perhaps? :dizzy2:

Honesty is the best policy. Might very well have saved the town this game.

There's a lot of truth in that. I was still a little suspicious of you until you swore in such strong terms that you were innocent. After being wrong about you in GFII, I decided that this time I would believe you. Besides, you had backed me up on Dutch_guy, which was an accusation I was very confident of.

Our tactic worked quite well, until Kommodus came up with 'holmes'.

Hehehe... yes, the newly upgraded version, too! :yes:

Afterwards, I saw the post which Kommodus deleted quickly to avoid giving clues to the mafia. I pm'd it to Dutch and we had a little discussion about it. We decided to kill Ichigo, since I was under the impression (from our conversation in the chat) that he didn't trust me at all and I feared he would turn against me. CA was very willing to follow Kommodus, so we decided to kill him as well.

So you saw that post after all? Dang. Not quick enough, I guess. :shame:

Hm, you know, I thought you would've killed Kagemusha that round, but in hindsight killing CA was probably the right move. I ended up being even more suspicious of Kage than I was of CA! (Though that's more because I know Kage is a great player than because of his actual behavior).

When you all seemed 100 % sure that it had to be me or Stig (I didn't expect that to happen), I had to think about an explanation why I believed it wasn't Kommodus or CR (and that hurted so bad, deep in my heart, I wanted to see that annoying Kommodus lynched by the mob).

And that has happened, over and over again, I might add. The mob generally recognizes me as a good player to lynch and takes me out quite early. I wonder why it didn't happen this time...?