Out of character thread IV

[Kagemusha]

We have a bit of problem in Franconia.Dutch is going for a 5 day vacation and do we really want to autocalc each of the battles he will be fighting? He asked from me if i could play the battles,but what is the current policy on these kind of issues?

[OverKnight]

As chancellor I'm fine with this as long as it's short term. I will, of course, respect the opinion of the other players.

@FH, I'll double check your assertion, but based on the pattern of past votes, particularly the one in 1168, the most votes the HRE could have gotten is 5 out of 13. The AI tends to glom on to the same candidate, and I believe seniority, who's listed at top, is the tiebreaker. So this was the safer bet.

[Ituralde]

I believe OOC congratulations are also in order for Overknight. I had never believed that we could reach reconciliation this fast!

I haven't checked for saves yet, but we are at peace and reconciled and the Papacy still doesn't have any territory? This is just great! :2thumbsup:

[TinCow]

Yes, great work. The money paid to England was a bargain to get this in return!

[OverKnight]

Here's the save if you want to take a look.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr-1184.zip

Besides the money paid to the english, 18,500 minus the 2200 they gave us for peace, we got off free and easy. Why pay retail for reconciliation? :laugh4:

Of course the downside of having a landless Pope, is that he's awfully hard to find on the map.

Kagemusha is up with big bad Crusade v Jihad with an assist from the Byzzies battle. I hope he has a good system. I'll PM him.

Edit: Of course the English asking for peace and having a Preferati was a stroke a luck, I was content to wait for that Sicilian missionary to level up while fending off an impatient Diet, of course that would be luck as well but considering his location I figured it was worth a shot.

[AussieGiant]

Heee Haaaaa!!!

You're a bloody genius OK!! :)

for 18 grand you have pulled off the deal of the century.

Now if we can only try and remain "Communicated" for a few years that would be fantastic.:laugh4:

Now if we could only find the guy and give him a bit of cash we are set.

Maybe we should send out search parties?

[StoneCold]

He doesn't spawm near Rome this time round? weird... Good Job... butter him up good and ask for a real crusade to the levant... :)

[FactionHeir]

Landless popes still spawn around Rome. Sometimes even on the few boats off the coast of Italy. Rarely they'll wander to Cagliari or Naples. I think the furthest he got once was Palermo.
Of course if he had lands elsewhere, you can find him in the levant too :p

[OverKnight]

I think I found the pope, there's a papal fleet between Corsica and Sardinia of two units that has a question mark on board. Considering the only military unit that should be left to the Papal States should be the Pope himself, I think it's him.

I don't know why he spawned at sea. . .but I'm now really glad I made peace and not pursued a whack-a-pope strategy.

Of course, how do you "butter up" a unit at sea? I'll have to wait for him to make landfall.

[StoneCold]

Btw, with Venice that high up on the pope-meter, the attack on Ragusa will have to wait I guess? France looks quite high up on the meter too. Looks liek Breslau is the only viable target, am I right?

[OverKnight]

I'll have to think about that, we have a spy in Ragusa and it only has a family member defending it. . .

Once I get some sleep, Otto will propose some new strategies to deal with the return of Papal interference.

Edit: Good timing on introducing yourself into the Crusade Council FH, catch everyone in a good mood. :laugh4:

[AussieGiant]

I doubt our ability to call a crusade at this time. but once we get a high enough rating we should be good to go.

[AussieGiant]

Ok now I really have a question for everyone...

Hi Kagemusha, you just fought a full stack army with 100 casualties and completely obliterated the other side.

I saw that stack before you attacked and it wasn't entirely bad.

Am I missing something here or are their tactics that make the AI completely useless.

I'm not suggesting anything dodgy going on, but it seems an amazing result.

Can you explain what you did Kagemusha?

[Kagemusha]

Ok now I really have a question for everyone...

Hi Kagemusha, you just fought a full stack army with 100 casualties and completely obliterated the other side.

I saw that stack before you attacked and it wasn't entirely bad.

Am I missing something here or are their tactics that make the AI completely useless.

I'm not suggesting anything dodgy going on, but it seems an amazing result.

Can you explain what you did Kagemusha?

You can read it from the battle report as soon as it is up~;) It was great to have for once a full stack under my command. The Bysantines helped me a lot.In the start of the battle the Egyptians made a serious mistake,they send only their missile troops and the few horsearchers they had against my forces and the rest attacked Bysantines. After i shot down the Mameluk horse archers with my xbows,i run over the entire Egyptian missile contingent with my generals and teutonic knights loosing two men in the process. After that i marched on the high ground behind the Egyptians and started shooting them in the back while they were fighting the bysantines. After the Bysantines fled,the Egyptians tryed to attack me on the high ground with their infantry,so it was easy for me to defend with my main line and roll their flanks with cavalry.:yes:

[AussieGiant]

You can read it from the battle report as soon as it is up~;) It was great to have for once a full stack under my command. The Bysantines helped me a lot.In the start of the battle the Egyptians made a serious mistake,they send only their missile troops and the few horsearchers they had against my forces and the rest attacked Bysantines. After i shot down the Mameluk horse archers with my xbows,i run over the entire Egyptian missile contingent with my generals and teutonic knights loosing two men in the process. After that i marched on the high ground behind the Egyptians and started shooting them in the back while they were fighting the bysantines. After the Bysantines fled,the Egyptians tryed to attack me on the high ground with their infantry,so it was easy for me to defend with my main line and roll their flanks with cavalry.:yes:

Ok so that is completely different to what they did to me.

The Egyptians were far more intelligent is the battle I just fought.

They charge the Xbow with their spearmen. I then deployed our heavy foot in front with the xbox behind shooting over the top.

They ignored the Byzantines and only sent the horse archers over to harass them. With the main infantry lines engaged, I then flanked out the cav, and punch the main infantry line and missile troops in the sides and back.

It turned into the blood bath after that. I still lost about 450 troops though.

[Kagemusha]

Ok so that is completely different to what they did to me.

The Egyptians were far more intelligent is the battle I just fought.

They charge the Xbow with their spearmen. I then deployed our heavy foot in front with the xbox behind shooting over the top.

They ignored the Byzantines and only sent the horse archers over to harass them. With the main infantry lines engaged, I then flanked out the cav, and punch the main infantry line and missile troops in the sides and back.

It turned into the blood bath after that. I still lost about 450 troops though.

Where did you deploy your troops at the start of the battle? I deployed on the far left of the battlefield.That central hill was far too near the Egyptians,so i decided to take some space between me and the enemy.I generally always deploy pretty far from the center of the map if the ground is not completely crappy.:yes:

[AussieGiant]

Where did you deploy your troops at the start of the battle? I deployed on the far left of the battlefield.That central hill was far too near the Egyptians,so i decided to take some space between me and the enemy.I generally always deploy pretty far from the center of the map if the ground is not completely crappy.:yes:

That would seem to be the difference.

I left it at the default starting positions which would of course entice them to attack immediately.

[AussieGiant]

Ohhh isn't that sweet...if anyone want to see a big "Man Hug Festival", pop over to the council of crusaders, it's goin on right now!! ~:grouphug:

I'm teasing guy's.

I'm quite surprised about how happy I am to be a Christian again.

[Stuperman]

Sweet Deal on the Reconciliation!

[econ21]

Is it possible to conduct diplomacy at sea? If the Pope is on a boat, could we sail a diplomat to ask him for a crusade on Jerusalem?

Come to think of it, do you even have to have a diplomat in contact to call a crusade? Can't you just go to the Pope tab and click on the call crusade button?

[Warluster]

Yah, just go to the Pope-o-meter screen and ask.

[Ignoramus]

Is it possible to conduct diplomacy at sea? If the Pope is on a boat, could we sail a diplomat to ask him for a crusade on Jerusalem?

Come to think of it, do you even have to have a diplomat in contact to call a crusade? Can't you just go to the Pope tab and click on the call crusade button?

Coming to think of it, OK should have called a Crusade before the "recent events".

[OverKnight]

No worries, even at 6/10 on the pope-o-meter we weren't going to get a crusade. Also I wanted to wait until a turn until the army stuck in Nicaea's zone of control could move again. If we do get an official crusade, I'll have to start worrying about movement and desertion more than I have been.

We have to wait anyway for the Pope to make landfall before we can grease the wheels.

Edit: There's a button in the Pope window where you can request a crusade, it's not a diplomatic action, though gifting florins is.

[econ21]

No worries, even at 6/10 on the pope-o-meter we weren't going to get a crusade..

Are you sure? What standing is required to get a crusade?

[Warluster]

shrugs

Put it this way: Really high.

[Ignoramus]

Anything above 7 guarentees you a Crusade. The only annoying thing is if the Pope stays on board his fleet.

[FactionHeir]

You need 8 or higher. Sometimes even 9. Depends on who you call a crusade, as the pope's relations with that nation do play a role, as does your reputation.

Only way to currently raise our relations with him is by building massive amounts of churches and train priests or do papal missions. Diplomacy is not an option until he makes landfall or we can find the papal diplomat (Talentus Arlocti)

[TinCow]

You can't ask for a Crusade unless you are at 6/10 or higher, so as of right now, we no longer have the option. I think we may have had a good chance at getting the Crusade at 6/10 though, because we would have asked for Jerusalem. That's one of the Pope's preferred targets and it's held by a Muslim faction, things that significantly lower the bar.

All theoretical at this point though. At this point, by the time we track down the Pope, get a diplomat to him, give him money, and wait for the reputation to rise, we'll be almost all the way there.

[edit] I am wrong. I just loaded up 1184-1 and requested a Crusade against Jerusalem. It was rejected. In fact, I tried every single possible target, and they were all rejected. So, no big loss.

[FactionHeir]

AG:
I don't know how we are going about this, but 40 years ago may be right in game years, but not in character years. Funny thing is its just 10 character years ago. 40 years ago truly most electors would have still been playing with toys :p


Others:
I'm almost ready to release another version this or next week (trying to get as many fixes as possible into one instead of releasing daily) but I was wondering if anyone feels they want something specific to be addressed in the fixes that is not already addressed? Can also be a suggestion for triggers, as in "People travelling with priests should become more pious" or "Guilds should have a better chance of giving traits/ancillaries" stuff like that. Not that it will necessarily be implemented, but I'm open to ideas.

[AussieGiant]

AG:
I don't know how we are going about this, but 40 years ago may be right in game years, but not in character years. Funny thing is its just 10 character years ago. 40 years ago truly most electors would have still been playing with toys :p

Hi FactionHier,

Yes I know how time is distorted, however none of these characters were even alive by reckoning. I could have understood if they were kids who had not come of age but they are not even that.

And if we are going to try and use a rational argument, then I'd assume there are better targets than me :beam:

My role playing is based around using Sigsmund as a reason for doing this...Ulrich's letter to Otto is rational but I am Role Playing having a serious problem with using the death of someone they didn't even know as being a critical mistake.

Warluster and Ignoramus let the cat slip out of the bag by brining this up previously. I gave them fair warning that if they want to do this then they should be aware of the consequences IC. In my opinion they are in danger of being seriously limited IC to what they can do after this as the Chancellor can control the game both IC and OOC.

[TinCow]

I gave them fair warning that if they want to do this then they should be aware of the consequences IC. In my opinion they are in danger of being seriously limited IC to what they can do after this as the Chancellor can control the game both IC and OOC.

Yep, there's a big difference between this and Heinrich's shenanigans. What Heinrich did was technically legal and the end result was some new legislation to close that loophole. This blatantly violates the laws, so punishment should most certainly be expected. I have no problem with the Swabians doing it, but they shouldn't be surprised at how hard they'll get smacked as a result.

[FactionHeir]

Its fun to awtch at the very least! :D

Only thing that annoys me a bit is the reference to Swabians in general. Henry and Hans aren't that involved in that rebellion now are they. Not a big deal though.

[StoneCold]

Well, all non-crusading swabians are siding with the Ulrich.

[OverKnight]

Warluster has requested that he sally out of Dijon. An attack on Ragusa is still pending, so once that is complete, the save will go to him.

As for Hummel's rebellion, I'll give him another year to run wild. If we get a cease and desist order from the Pope, I'll reevaluate.

I want to let the Swabians have their fun, it does make for good drama, but I feel even their troops would question going up against a Papal bull.

Of course, IC Otto is feverishly trying to restablish control of the situation.

Since we'll be waiting on two battles and some final setting of build queues from me, we have the time to consider options.

@Ignoramus, we exchanged letters in 1180, as shown by the date on the letter, not 1184, as shown at the top of the story. They precede our reconciliation.

So who's thinking of a trial thread?

[AussieGiant]

Its fun to awtch at the very least! :D

Only thing that annoys me a bit is the reference to Swabians in general. Henry and Hans aren't that involved in that rebellion now are they. Not a big deal though.

That I can understand FH.

I'll have to refine my generalisation to the two maniacs in question and not the two other fine gentlemen :)

OK, I'm just working out how many constitutional lawyers we will need for this little blow out :)

[OverKnight]

Let me see if I can shed some light on this:

IC: Chancellor Otto had no knowledge of Hummel's movements until he sieged Rheims. The Duke has disobeyed orders and has moved his HA on his own authority. Technically, Otto has the power to stop this, but he is currently thousands of miles away and has no means to enforce his rights at the moment.

OOC: Ignoramus approached me before the start of my term asking me if he could take the SwHA on a sweep through France. We exchanged many PMs and I was quite clear with him that there would be repercussions concerning Hummel's actions. I knew I had the right, as the chancellor, to refuse this request. However, since GH and myself had been granted some independent action when TC was chancellor, I decided to extend the same courtesy to Ignoramus. Disloyal nobles often took advantage of a Crusader King's absence to settle some scores, think Prince John, and I felt it would add an interesting wrinkle to the game. Once our reconciliation was final, I double checked with Ignoramus if he still wanted to continue. He did, and so we find ourselves in the present.

I'm willing to let this play out, but I will step in if it will lead to excomm. I figure that if the Pope speaks out, that even Hummel's own troops will spit the bit. I also reserve the right to enforce some desertion on Hummel's troops if he moves beyond Rheims.

I hope people can appreciate the difference between being the IC Chancellor and an OOC one.

[Ituralde]

The battle is done, Ragusa is ours. Whoevers's up next can take the save. :beam:

Concerning the situation with Hummel, I really like it as it adds a nice little touch to the game. I mean warring Dukes who follow their own private border wars, is pretty much what Feudalism is all about. Of course he can not count on the Diet's approval and I already have some Edicts up my sleeve that will make Hummel regret his actions, but for now I am glad to see that Overknight allows Ignoramus to play out his storyline a little. As long as it doesn't lead to excommunication I am completely okay with everything Hummel could do. OOC of course, IC now, that's another matter. :evil3:

[OverKnight]

I have the save, I have to do some building and then I will upload again for Warluster.

[Warluster]

I probably won't be able to play the battle untill later this afternoon (it (7:32am aussie time right now) as I have to go to work.

So if anyone else has some battles to do in 1184 then go ahead and battle!

[Northnovas]

Let me see if I can shed some light on this:

OOC: Ignoramus approached me before the start of my term asking me if he could take the SwHA on a sweep through France. We exchanged many PMs and I was quite clear with him that there would be repercussions concerning Hummel's actions. I knew I had the right, as the chancellor, to refuse this request. However, since GH and myself had been granted some independent action when TC was chancellor, I decided to extend the same courtesy to Ignoramus. Disloyal nobles often took advantage of a Crusader King's absence to settle some scores, think Prince John, and I felt it would add an interesting wrinkle to the game. Once our reconciliation was final, I double checked with Ignoramus if he still wanted to continue. He did, and so we find ourselves in the present.

I'm willing to let this play out, but I will step in if it will lead to excomm. I figure that if the Pope speaks out, that even Hummel's own troops will spit the bit. I also reserve the right to enforce some desertion on Hummel's troops if he moves beyond Rheims.

I hope people can appreciate the difference between being the IC Chancellor and an OOC one.

Thanks for clearing this up. I have been reading along and thought I was in the loop knowing what was said in the Diet but if they didn't have the ability to move their troops I could not figure out what the big deal was with the talk.
Now this makes sense, I haven't loaded a couple saves so there has been action on their words. OOC this makes for interesting play but IC I will not stand for it now that I am fully aware of what has progressed.:gah:

[OverKnight]

I have PMed Warluster with the save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1184-4.zip

There's not much left to do in the year except this battle. I might do some housecleaning or double check one or two things once I get the save back, but we should have 1186 start soon after.

[TevashSzat]

I hope that the House of Swabia doesn't get hit with that much reprecussions. Do you think that we will be able to retain any cities that will be taken from the French or will they be returned diplomatically?

[OverKnight]

I don't know. . .it depends on whether the Kaiser decides to assign any territories taken to Swabia. It also depends on any action taken by the Diet such as edicts. Personally I'm surprised that there are no Swabians that angry with their Duke, he has cost their house much clout. Hell, when I went rogue, most of the electors from my house were calling for my head.

As Chancellor I'm trying to stay nuetral, though I did move your avatar to meet up with Leopold. Wouldn't want the mutiny to spread. :laugh4:

[Ignoramus]

If this is exciting anyone, then perhaps you might like to check out Magna Carta?

[TevashSzat]

Well, IC I am supporting the Duke so I guess shouldn't I be fighting beside him?

[OverKnight]

Oh dear, I forgot to mention those Teutonic Knights travelling with Friedrich are under strict orders to have him go to Leopold. :laugh4:

By the time you reach Ulrich his adventure will most likely be over. The southeastern front could use another avatar anyway.

[OverKnight]

:laugh4: at TC

Sweet, not as dramatic as a stabbing, but a good job none the less.

It's comforting to know Bavaria has a goon squad.

[TevashSzat]

Well I personally think that my avatar along with his 29 bodyguards are more than enough of a match against a single unit of teutonic knights.

[FactionHeir]

Are you trying to imitate my moves Xdeathfire? :p

As for the French matter, Hans is not really a staunch supporter of Hümmel and doesn't have to fear anything from him, but at the same time needs at least some House support, so not much to voice at the moment ICly

[OverKnight]

@Warluster, I have the battle report, but could you upload the save in a zip or rar format please? The latest save is still the one I uploaded.

@FH, Good idea about finding the Papal diplomat. I'll look around, with FOW on, and see if I can find him. If anyone has spotted him, I'd appreciate a hint. I'm not looking forward to scrolling around the map looking for one sprite.

[FactionHeir]

He's outside Riga.

Also, new version of KOTRfix is out. A lot of extra changes as opposed to 1.21. Also several spelling fixes that I missed the first time around.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix122a.rar

Please make sure you do use all the files (except the readme) in your installation. Reason is I added a missing level to the MerchantsGuildMember trait which CA somehow missed to add (Merchant's Guild Journeyman)

[Stuperman]

I'm a bit torn, Gerhard is SUPER loyal, so if the Chancellor tells him to distract the french at Marseille he probably would. BUT that would be supporting the Swabians who (in Gerhard's head at least) are traitors, worse than any outside threat, generally hates thier guts with a passion. And if he had is way he'd go fight thier HA. So he's stuck in a situation where in order fight what he sees as the enemy, he'd have to become the enemy (disloyal).

Maybe I'll write my first story about it.

just for clarification, that's gerhard's personality, I personally don't really care, it makes the game a bit more intereasting.

[FactionHeir]

If you mouse over the loyalty descriptions from 0 to 10, you notice that the more loyal subjects will obey an order even if it goes against what they believe in. So basically you would do what the chancellor (or your Duke, depending on who you are loyal to) says. Of course whether you follow what the game describes is up to you.

[OverKnight]

Stuperman, keep in mind that there are many ways to distract the French.

Killing a lot of them would certainly distract them. . .

We'll see how this turns out.

[Warluster]

I have uploaded the save, just in case you didn't see.

[OverKnight]

Yes, I got it, thank you. :bow: I've already played a bit into 1186.

I'm about to have the Crusaders officially take the cross. I'm also awaiting word from Ignoramus on what he wishes to do at Rheims.

[Ituralde]

Sweet deal with the Crusades!

As econ21 I was under the impression that only one army could become a Crusade. With two Crusading armies this Crusade of ours is really going to kick a**! :2thumbsup:

[OverKnight]

Ignoramus, could you clear some PM space please, I want to send you your pre-battle info.

Here's the save anyway.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1186-1.zip

Edit: There's been some updates in my report since I first posted it:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1527458&postcount=111

[AussieGiant]

As always I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass but the Crusader army is starting to look a little cavalry heavy and that is a little unbalanced in my view.

It's already too easy to win every engagement we have without have some of our armies becoming cavalry centric.

Any thoughts?

[OverKnight]

It's mostly cav centric due to the amount of avatars in the mix. Remember that Hans and the two units of mailed knights were unplanned additions to the Crusade. I wouldn't worry about it. We can also recruit more infantry if needed.

We're probably going to have some nasty fights before actually getting to Jerusalem, so I don't mind having the extra.

[FactionHeir]

Also the crusade edicts lay out that standard army composition does not apply to crusading armies.

[TinCow]

Yep, and cavalry is far less useful than infantry in taking cities, which will be a major task in coming turns.

Keep in mind as well that we will be reduced to only 3 generals in the East relatively soon. Dietrich will kick the bucket any day now and Mandorf won't be far behind. It's actually kind of good that Ulrich is going East, as military options will be limited with only 3 commanders there.

[TevashSzat]

So with Ulrich going east, I am the duke of swabia? The diet had someone say something about that but it wasn't clear to me

[OverKnight]

Ulrich resigned as Duke and took the Cross. I'm not sure, but I think the Kaiser has to appoint the next Duke. At least that's how Ulrich became Duke. When Dietrich and Otto became Dukes by marriage, the Kaiser, GH at the time, confirmed both of them.

It's an interesting question, if a position is vacated by resignation rather than death, can the person pick his sucessor? We've never encountered this before, the Ducal positions were already vacant, Bavaria or Franconia, or the previous occupant was promoted, Swabia.

[AussieGiant]

Thanks for replies guy's. The explanations are understood.

Regarding Ulrich's resignation. Loosely based on history the eldest son would be able to lay claim to the title with the Kaiser and Chancellor in a position to ratify or make a few other options open.

Does Ulrich have a son? Sorry but the genealogy of all the families is not my strong suit.

[OverKnight]

Ulrich has a son and a daughter I believe. But neither of them has reached 16 yet.

It's frustrating, I want to send some priests with Ulrich, but agents nerf Crusader movement AFAIK. Is there a workaround for this?

So I have to send reinforcements and priests on seperate fleets until the Crusade is over if I want take advantage of the extra movement. :furious3:

[Northnovas]

I think there is an underage character. You can designate an heir but since there are the 2 distinctions of blood or not I think it would the Kaiser's decision on who would fill the vacancy. The person can suggest a replacement but it would be the Kaiser's choice.:2cents:

[econ21]

Regarding agent slowing down crusades:


There is a solution to this:

Select the crusader army with the agent in and press 'Cntrl A' on your keyboard - this should give you back your full movement points. Well, it worked for me.

This also works with fleets - it seems to be a throwback to RTW, where fleet movement was reduced by embarking units that had used up most of their movement points, meaning the fleet couldn't move far. Cntrl A on the fleet and hey presto, your fleet movement points are back to full (but this did stop you being able to disembark your troops in the same movement).

Let me know if it works (if it does I'll put it in the Citadel FAQ).

[AussieGiant]

Quick question.

How do you change the turns to years on the main screen.

I'm still playing my first long campaign with the English and I suddenly realised it was about turn 180 odd and I only had 17 provinces. I shafted myself because I lost track of time. I'm much better in years than turns it seems.

[Stuperman]

so was the swabian 'rebellion' put down that fast? and where does that leave the SHA? I was looking foreward a bit to some more heated exchanges at the diet. meh, anyone know how many provinces we have right now?

[OverKnight]

Let me know if it works (if it does I'll put it in the Citadel FAQ).

Tried it out, and it didn't work. I had the army take the cross with the priests already in the stack, both the units and agents had not moved that turn. I used ctrl-A and the movement area did increase, but when I moved the stack it left the priests behind. I was curious and had the priests join the stack after they took the cross, but same result.

I tried it at sea, again everyone had full movement points, and ctrl-A did not increase movement area. When I disembarked the priest, the movement area doubled.

So this way in order to satisfy an edict and get Ulrich to the Holy Land in an expedient fashion, I'm going to have to dispatch two 5 ship fleets. Oh well, I guess we need a strong navy in the eastern med.

[econ21]

How do you change the turns to years on the main screen.


Delete the line "show_dates_as_turns" line in descr_strat.txt. The citadel FAQ should give location of file. This only works when starting a new campaign.


where does that leave the SHA?

I think the new Steward can decide who commands it.


Tried it out, and it didn't work.

Shame, but thanks for testing it.

[OverKnight]

In order to get Ulrich "crossed" and moving as soon as possible, my plan was to merge and streamline the SHA to 8 units, send the extras to Dijon, have Ulrich join the Crusade, pick up 2 Crusader mercs, and then embark him, in a few turns, at Genoa with the 5 ship fleet that's forming there.

A new SHA would be built at Staufen for inf and missles, with Innsbruck assisting with faster knights if needed.

[FactionHeir]

Well, it seems that the IsFactionLeader condition seems a bit bugged as it triggers weirdly and at times does not work at all. None of the other modders seem to know anything about it either, so I'll probably file it with CA as something to look into. For the time being, I know that Factionleader = 1 works for sure though, so I'll likely update the fixes to 1.22b tomorrow to change that and add a minor tweak to another two traits. Actually I could now, but maybe I'll think of something else still by tomorrow.
Stay tuned ~:)

[Warluster]

Just to let everyone know (And you OK in case of a battle)

I am going away for Saturday,Sunday and a lot of Monday. So if Jobst is involved in a battle then either OK can play it or xdeathfire.

[OverKnight]

Alright, Warluster, thanks for the heads up. xdeathfire would you be able to play a battle during that time?

@Ignoramus, any update on the save?

[Ignoramus]

Yes, I've just finished the battle. You were right, Ulrich is now stuck outside of Rheims. Which is a pain, as there's a French army loitering outside Paris which will probably attack next turn. Anyway, as long as I can get to Jerusalem ASAP, I won't mind.

[Warluster]

SO you killed the King?

Anyway, just a question. I am thinking of making a English PBeM, the rules will be overly similar to KotR, if not the same, anyone mind? And would anyone be interested?

[OverKnight]

Too bad you couldn't ransom the guy, we could have used the money. . .

Ignoramus, if you could get a casualty report to me, I'd appreciate it. Also it looks like there might be one more battle for this year, so if you want to reserve a spot in the battle reports thread, go ahead and do it.

Sounds interesting Warluster, but I've got my hands full at the moment. :laugh4:

[Warluster]

I tried making one like it before but it was deleted because everyone said to wait for this to finish, but KotR will continue for some time I guess, so I I got impatient.

And isn't it about time for a new OOC Thread? No.V?

[OverKnight]

Ituralde, Leopold has to finish off a 3 unit force of Venetian stragglers outside Ragusa, when would be a good time for you to do it?

[FactionHeir]

I thought we decided on no ransoming after econ gives the AI florins? Not laid out in edicts, but kind of cheap to just get the money back :p Like milking Russia early on.

[Warluster]

Does anyone mind if I use the FAQ from KotR?

[Ignoramus]

Is anyone annoyed OOC that I attacked the French? I thought that Ulrich was stuck, so that's why I put it in his story. When I loaded up the save and saw that he could move, I decided that to keep to the story I should attack.

Maybe I should have ransomed the prisoners, but the AI generally rejects large ransoms and it was more inline with Ulrich.

[OverKnight]

OOC, I'm not annoyed. . .the actions you took were in line with Ulrich's character and provided some drama to the PBM. Your timing could have been better, but the factors involved in that, reconciliation and a new found concern about Papal relations, were beyond your control. The choice to take Otto's offer and go to the Holy Land was intriguing, and I was surprised you accepted. Though I'm still confused as to why the Swabians just didn't ask for permission in the last Diet. . .

IC, well, I think you can figure that one out. . .:laugh4:

Edit: Ignoramus, if you want to include the letter Otto wrote you in your latest story, feel free to. I think it might give some context to your decision and bookend nicely with the exchange of letters that begun this scenario.

[TinCow]

Definitely not annoyed. Like OK, I'm confused by it all, but it has been interesting. I just hope you realize that the Crusade will be over long before you arrive in Jerusalem, so you'll lose the movement bonus and the trip could take a while.

[Ituralde]

Not annoyed at all! In fact I was kind of looking forward to have a warmongering Duke keep the Diet busy. It would have been nice to see how the Diet handles the situation and how much power it can actually exert over one individual, and the other way around too. How much can one guy do within the limits of the PBM. It would have spiced up the game nicely and I am little disappointed it ended so soon.

Of course, I guess it was the better decision IC and OOC all around for Ulrich to take the Chancellors offer. :2thumbsup:

[TevashSzat]

I can fight any battles over the weekend since I'll be stuck at my house for most of it

[Ignoramus]

Don't worry. Ulrich hasn't forgotten who made him yield or resign as Duke.

Don't be so sure of rushing to Jerusalem. I imagine that the Egyptians will have a fair few armies littered around the place.

[AussieGiant]

OOC I'm not upset at all.

The IC and OOC stuff has to be distinguished otherwise it doesn't work.

It spices things up and you can see that IC there was a ground swell of reaction to it. You can clearly see the point that being excommunicated is not a preferred option for most characters.

I don't have an avatar but in playing the Merchant Doge of Venice I just want to remain reconciled so I can make as much money as possible.

For other characters their piety plus a few other variable can usually determine how someone "should" act about this topic.

Plus you have to keep in mind that the TOP DOGS in the Reich are all pretty pious. That will usually bring the house down on someone's head :)

[OverKnight]

I have the save, there'll be some end of turn housekeeping, and then we'll proceed to 1188 shortly.

[FactionHeir]

Ignoramus, you actually didn't break any edicts so far ICly, so tbh resignation was overly hasty.
As I had asked earlier in the OOC topic, the edict only calls for not taking a settlement (i.e. besieging would be fine) and attacking the enemy on their soil is condoned as well as long as you do not get excommunicated.

[TinCow]

Yeah, I never would have pushed for Ulrich to 'resign' as Duke. If you want to figure out a way to revoke that resignation, I'm sure most of us will try to pretend it didn't happen.

[FactionHeir]

Does anyone mind if I use the FAQ from KotR?

Don't think its copyrighted or anything. But I also don't think many KOTR players will have time for multiple PBMs and imagining multiple avatar personalities at the same time. KOTR will maybe still last a month or so before its approx over, so maybe that would be a better time? Also, England is the easiest faction (and cheesy IMO) to play. Byzantium, Russia or Egypt could be quite fun on the other hand. Just my opinion.

[TinCow]

Does anyone mind if I use the FAQ from KotR?

I wrote it, so I suppose you're asking me. Nope, no problems with you using it at all. Do whatever you want with it. I'm happy it's useful.

[Stuperman]

I wasn't annoyed OOC, IC well you know...

I'm actually now trying to figure a way to make gerhard's last comments fit IC now lol.

it's 1186?

[FactionHeir]

So how come you didn't send our diplomat in Poland to Riga to seek out Talentus as I proposed? :p

Btw, you can use a wealth of other hosts besides imageshack. photobucket and imagevenue are two others.

[OverKnight]

As Telentus was not visisble with FOW on I didn't consider it sporting. Pisanus is visible with that watchtower Conrad built. It's more than a diversion, it's useful.

[OverKnight]

We've got two battles on the plate.

First, Kagemusha or Dutch_guy if he's back, it's time to assault Breslau. Check the Chancellor's report for my reasoning.

Second, FLYdude has a mid sized army of rebels north of Frankfurt to engage.

Whoever gets to it first, please post here and let the other guy know. Then post the new save so the second person can get to their battle.

I'm working tonight so I probably won't be back to the game until Saturday, so that's why I'm queuing things up.

Here's the save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1188.zip

Good Luck :2thumbsup:

The latest updated Chancellor's report:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1528753&postcount=114

[TinCow]

Patch 1.2 has been officially released. What are our plans for switching to 1.2 with this game?

[econ21]

We are on page 20 of this thread, so the release of the official 1.2 patch marks an opportune moment to close this and start a new thread.