View Full Version : Rise of Civilizations Part 2 [Concluded]
Crazed Rabbit
09-01-2007, 06:55
Yes, you have.
CR
CountArach
09-01-2007, 08:16
w00t for efficiency!
Well...I have mine in, so do not look at me if we get held up this time.
Crazed Rabbit
09-03-2007, 20:49
Rise of Civilizations
Chapter XI:The Storm Strikes
The calm is over, especially for Illyria. No longer will the Balkans be known for peace and tranquility. The whole land has been touched by war. The Umbrian commander split his forces that he might attack every city within reach. But the Illyrians rallied in every city in great numbers and destroyed all the small forces. The main force of Umbria drove for Lakeside, but was repulsed after close and brutal fighting from the city's garrison.
On the coast, the Umbrians raze the two towns they had captured. The Umbrians are then themselves slaughtered by a Venetian army coming from Zagreb. Further south, Illyrian forces defend against a great landing of Umbrians at Epidamnos, and destroy a small landing near Illyria. The fleet that had landed near Illyria was then destroyed by a Venetian fleet from the north
The rest of the world stays calm, surprisingly.
In Sicily, lightning again beat down upon the shanties and shacks of the peasants, who were hoarse from calling for mercy.
https://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8707/italyrocturn11ei8.jpg
Turn twelve has begun. Your orders are due by Friday.
Crazed Rabbit
Crazed Rabbit
09-03-2007, 20:54
Venice demands to know what in the world Carthage is doing by moving more forces towards the Islands of Corsica and Sardinia?
The agreement (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1645299&postcount=456)was that you would leave these islands and waters, not that you would merely withdraw to construct a base from which to constantly imperil the people of Kender!
Crazed Rabbit
Twilightblade
09-04-2007, 07:17
I would like to ask what the Umbrians were thinking when they razed the Illyrian citys of which they had control?
pevergreen
09-04-2007, 07:53
I would like you to die. Now.
seireikhaan
09-05-2007, 01:44
Venice demands to know what in the world Carthage is doing by moving more forces towards the Islands of Corsica and Sardinia?
The agreement (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1645299&postcount=456)was that you would leave these islands and waters, not that you would merely withdraw to construct a base from which to constantly imperil the people of Kender!
Crazed Rabbit
Carthage shall answer that question once Carthage receives their info PM.:thumbsdown:
seireikhaan
09-05-2007, 03:40
Very well, I shall answer your question. You see, you merely demanded that I leave 'the islands and waters'. At the time, I was only on one island, Corsica. I do not see how I could possibly leave an island that I had no people on. Additionally, you never specified which islands or waters I was to leave. I stated that I would not land more troops on Corsica, and withdraw my forces from the island. I have therefore upheld my promise, and have not breached any part of the contract. Also, I give my commends to the Venetian spies, who must be uncannily excellent to know that settlers were on the fleet sent there.
Crazed Rabbit
09-05-2007, 03:45
Big edit:
Get off both islands. Now. I will not stand for you to build a base from which to constantly threaten the Kendish people. The first agreement was that you the islands. I specifically said that so you wouldn't just move to Sardinia. I thought it was obvious, but let me restate it: Remove your forces, military and otherwise, from the islands of Corsica and Sardinia and from any waters or lands within 100km of Corsica and Sardinia.
Also, I never said anything about what was on your fleet. I merely assumed you were bringing some sort of reinforcements.
CR
Wow. This sucks. I wanted to build a new city, but, because I destroyed Tathari, I cant do that. I should have left Tathari alone...:shame: . I vie for peace, so that way we could progress, instead of laying down all of our resources in combat. We are really falling behind the rest of the world. How say you, Tran and GreaterKhaan?
It was YOUR mistake, evil Kenderish. I have offered peace to you by becoming my vassal, but you refused, fight our people and destroyed our city.
Also, why the Venetian insist for the Carthage to leave Sandalyon, while at the same time you built a large fotress in the island of Corsica? If you want Carthage to leave Sardinia, then I suggest you destroy your fortress and get out of Corsica too.
Crazed Rabbit
09-08-2007, 01:19
Also, why the Venetian insist for the Carthage to leave Sandalyon, while at the same time you built a large fotress in the island of Corsica?
The agreement was that Carthage would leave these islands. It seems they have been active in exploiting loopholes and negotiating in bad faith, and in doing so desire war.
I have laid out my terms above, again and more explicitly so that you may not wiggle free. Abide by them if you do not wish to be at war.
CR
Unless Venetian destroy the fotress and withdraw their army at Corsica. I don't think Carthage should withdraw their army from Sardinia either.
seireikhaan
09-08-2007, 01:51
Indeed. Venice, you claim to be on the side of virtue and peace. And yet, you ally yourself with savages who destroy entire cities, slaughter innocent civilians. War is the domain of man, not women, children, and the elderly. It was Kender, not Carthage, nor Sandalyon, who decided the innocent people of Tathari were not fit to live. And do not give us this spiel about how Sandalyon brought war to Kender, when you yourself declared war upon the Gauls and reduced them to utter dependency. And I agree with my ally, I will not leave Sardinia, when you yourself have constructed a massive fortress in Corsica. Venice, once and for all, stop being a nation of hypocrites. I have little tolerance of it.
Evil, eh? Destroying Tathari was an act of war. A way to diminish your income so I could have time to recuperate. I will not be a vassal, I will never submit to the will of another man. (besides, I feel no remorse "killing" people who only exist as a number on a spreadsheet :grin2: ) If any major power were to turn their eyes toward us, and us alone, Thor, we would be annihilated. That is why I vie for peace, so that we may perogress in this world. I will recompense you for the deed done to Tathari as soon as I get my income back, all right?
-Lord Motep of Kendermore
p.s.
And as to your complaints about C.R nearly killing Caius, you see that the Guals have not been attacked for many turns, and that Caius is still alive. If you would also note that Greaterkhaan is striking right now, and wishes to see the death of me, and that those actions were in place long before the destruction of Tathari. Who is the real bad guy there?
seireikhaan
09-08-2007, 02:30
Striking now? We are doing nothing of the sort. We fulfilled our promise of removing our forces from Corsica, and intend to fulfill the promise of never stepping foot on it again. And never have I stated that I wished to see your death, I came to the aid of my ally. Sandalyon offered you an identical situation to that which was forced upon the Gauls, reduction to a single city. You make it seem not so bad when it happens to Gaul, yet if it should happen to you, you react by torching an opponents city and butchering its citizens. You, like the Gauls, were offered peace. Unlike the Gauls, however, you seduced the Venetian leadership into aiding your efforts. The Gauls had no such power to rely on, and thus were put into the dependancy of others. Very interesting that both Venice and their savage ally seem to complete hypocrites...
Striking now? We are doing nothing of the sort. We fulfilled our promise of removing our forces from Corsica, and intend to fulfill the promise of never stepping foot on it again. And never have I stated that I wished to see your death, I came to the aid of my ally. Sandalyon offered you an identical situation to that which was forced upon the Gauls, reduction to a single city. You make it seem not so bad when it happens to Gaul, yet if it should happen to you, you react by torching an opponents city and butchering its citizens. You, like the Gauls, were offered peace. Unlike the Gauls, however, you seduced the Venetian leadership into aiding your efforts. The Gauls had no such power to rely on, and thus were put into the dependancy of others. Very interesting that both Venice and their savage ally seem to complete hypocrites...
You have never stated that you would not kill me. Besides, had you kept the city, you would have had temptation to take the other one to the north. Had you given the city to Thor, he would have proceeded to take Kendermore. So, I had no choice but to seek foriegn aid, it was either that or annihilation.
One question to the host, when this game will end?
Crazed Rabbit
09-10-2007, 06:27
Rise of Civilizations
Chapter XII:The Storm Passes
In stark contrast to the previous season, only one conflict took place in the world. The Umbrians gave up their campaign in Illyria and gifted all but one of their cities to the Romans. Venetian armies had moved south to attack Umbria, but halted when they saw that the cities of Assisi and Spoleto had been given to the Romans.
In the west, the Carthaginians brought in settlers from Tunisia and founded a city in northeast Sardinia. The fleet that had carried them was destroyed along with the armada Carthage had stationed off of Sardinia by a great Venetian armada that sailed south from Bastia.
In Sicily, the people have become pale from never seeing the sun, due to thunderstorms. Carthaginian armadas have blockaded one port and are sailing around the south of Sicily.
https://img356.imageshack.us/img356/3395/italyrocturn12ux8.jpg
Turn thirteen has begun. Your orders are due by Friday.
Crazed Rabbit
pevergreen
09-10-2007, 07:51
Surrender at my might :bow:
pff, not you alone...
Besides, Rome will soon be mightier than you, if they are not already...
CountArach
09-11-2007, 08:46
I thank the Umbrians :bow:
Absolutely, Roman friends! :bow:
Hm. The name of your city is very creative, Khaan. But, the proximity is disconcerting. Ah well, Ill live.
Btw, that would be a direct violation of the "treaty"
Twilightblade
09-12-2007, 09:47
As a Ghost all that sustains me is the prospect of seeing my vanquisher vanquished, so if its not too big a problem Illyria would you mind taking his city?
Nothing personal Umbria but you did kill me ~:)
As a Ghost all that sustains me is the prospect of seeing my vanquisher vanquished, so if its not too big a problem Illyria would you mind taking his city?
Nothing personal Umbria but you did kill me ~:)
Can you curse all our enemies?
Can you curse all our enemies?
No, because then Ill be screwed. He could curse my enemies, no harm to you, Caius.
Twilightblade
09-14-2007, 09:21
ooooo instead of storm clouds can a swarm of ghosts scare the populace of the next person not to send in orders?
ooooo instead of storm clouds can a swarm of ghosts scare the populace of the next person not to send in orders?
Yes, The ghost of Twilight will haunt you all!
Crazed Rabbit
09-15-2007, 00:02
GET YOUR TURNS IN!!!
:sweatdrop: :whip:
CR
GET YOUR TURNS IN!!!
:sweatdrop: :whip:
CR
mine are in, correct?
Crazed Rabbit
09-15-2007, 01:30
Yes
pevergreen
09-15-2007, 03:22
GET YOUR TURNS IN!!!
:sweatdrop: :whip:
CR
It would be me.
Im low on time for the next few weeks.
It might be easier to have CR play for me, or gift all of my possessions to CR. I dont mind which.
CountArach
09-15-2007, 04:30
I will get mine in later this afternoon.
It would be me.
Im low on time for the next few weeks.
It might be easier to have CR play for me, or gift all of my possessions to CR. I dont mind which.
or you can grant them to me...:cheesy:
It would be me.
Im low on time for the next few weeks.
It might be easier to have CR play for me, or gift all of my possessions to CR. I dont mind which.
Seriously, how much time does it take to make orders?
pevergreen
09-16-2007, 00:18
More time than I have. I like to think over them.
seireikhaan
09-16-2007, 00:19
If you're going to give all your cities and such to CR, then we might as well declare him the winner and move on to another RoC game.
Crazed Rabbit
09-16-2007, 02:34
Or I could give all my cities away to various people.
CR
Or I could give all my cities away to various people.
CR
*cough*me*cough*
:shifty:
When will you post the next chapter, CR?
Crazed Rabbit
09-22-2007, 01:44
Not till Monday (afternoon).
Sorry, but I had a quiz this last Monday, and exam today, another exam this Monday, and HW due intermittently throughout.
CR
CR can now operate my nation. I am typing this on my friends computer, mine is in the shop. I will not be able to post for a while.
Crazed Rabbit
09-25-2007, 22:30
Rise of Civilizations
Chapter XIII:Great Armies
In stark contrast to the previous season, only one conflict took place in the world. For most of the world, it was relatively peaceful.
In the west, a great army of Venice was marshaled and then loaded onto a grand armada in Bastia. The immense armada sailed to the Carthaginia city of Sardinia. Tens of thousands of Venetians hurled themselves at the fortified city, to be repulsed again and again by brave defenders. Finally, though, the onslaught was too much and the city fell.
https://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6719/italyrocturn13oz4.jpg
Turn fourteen has begun. Your orders are due by Friday.
Crazed Rabbit
What's up with the Venetian army in northeast Sandalyon and Venetian fleet northeast of Sicily? :inquisitive:
Are you trying to interfere in both Sardinia and Sicily?
What's up with the Venetian army in northeast Sandalyon and Venetian fleet northeast of Sicily? :inquisitive:
Are you trying to interfere in both Sardinia and Sicily?
Most likely he is.
seireikhaan
09-28-2007, 05:17
I wonder if CR is enjoying the role of the United States in this game? You know, that arrogant nation led by a ridiculous conservative that likes to interfere with everyone else's business...:thumbsdown:
Tell me, what is your reason for interfering with Sicily? We were not the aggressors against Syracuse, they are the ones who attempted to invade me. Howabout, for once, you let other nations resolve their own conflicts? Hmm? Just maybe?
Crazed Rabbit
09-28-2007, 06:20
Dude; I raised a 50k man army. You don't just leave that sort of thing sitting around collecting dust.
And no, I;m not going to interfere with you in Sicily. I'm just going to conquer all cities on Sardinia and give them to Kender.
CR
:sweatdrop:
I am not complaining about CR's work...
If it was not for him, I would have been crushed by The Khaan.
Go U.S Venice
Also, can I get turn report? The one I got had no spreadsheet...
Crazed Rabbit
10-04-2007, 00:26
Rise of Civilizations
Chapter XIV:The End
This is the end of rise of civilizations.
The civilizations have risen. The dominant civilization is the Umbrians. How, you demand? Because the Venetians gave the Umbrians every city under their control and so the Umbrians became the lords of the earth.
Why the Umbrians, you inquire, aware that they had been at war shortly before? Suffice it for you mortals to know that the gods were pleased with the King of the Umbrians, and with his timely orders, exacting in detail, that caused the gods considerable relief.
Other nations merely angered the gods, being tardy in their orders and lax in detail.
Thank you all for playing, and I hope you had a good time.
Comments welcome.
Crazed Rabbit
seireikhaan
10-04-2007, 00:33
Alright. The game got a bit boring towards the end anyways, as I knew I pretty much had no shot of winning anyways once I saw CR's 50k man army. The whole plan me and Tran came up with early on pretty much got shot to pieces once Motep joined the game, since he at first delayed Tran from getting both islands, and once we had him beat, he got CR on his side, and the whole thing just collapsed. Also, it messed up because the other nations started conquering each other too quickly. We wanted you all divided, darn it!:wall: Basically, we were gonna grab our main lands, Tran with the islands and me Carthage, then double team Syracuse, and once conquered them, move up Italy southwards.
Crazed Rabbit
10-04-2007, 00:49
This game became a bit too easy for me after I booted Caius out of upper Italy. I just kept on expanding and expanding and expanding, unhindered by war or having to even think about raising troops for defense. About maybe halfway through I just started building fully upgraded cities all at once (7k per). Towards the end I was raking in 45k+ gold per turn. The Italians were fighting amongst themselves, pevergreen and I were allied and he wasn't going to attack. Tran and Motep were destroying each other. Syracuse didn't do much, and Carthage was far, far away and constrained by land.
I might run another variant of this (not for a month at least, methinks), where the rapid pace expansion would be slower. I wouldn't play. Even if I do make all my moves before I read others, I still know what they did the turns before.
The towns would already be built, with a couple villages per town. Each province would be a town with villages. Level of the town and number of villages would affect the taxes raised and men able to be hired for troops. Soldiers would take two turns to recruit, and towns could only be upgraded one level per turn. Starting new towns would be massively difficult and expensive, so that over the game it'd be about conquering the existing towns, not building your own. I would want to to reflect more future oriented strategy - you can't wait till the enemy are on your doorstep to hire troops, so you always need some around. Towns with castles would give big defense bonuses, but enemy armies could raid and burn villages and 'mines/woodmills/etc'.
Sea trade would be cut to nigh on negligible, and town taxes would make the bulk of income, maybe some from 'mines/woodmills/etc' operation going on in a province.
I can't decide if I would want to make big changes to the combat/military system.
CR
CountArach
10-04-2007, 04:09
Thanks for running this CR :bow:
It was a lot of fun, I agree it was getting a bit slow towards the end as everyone could predict what was going to happen.
Excellent game, CR... ended up being quite interesting! Thinly veiled aggression FTW! :laugh4:
Always looked forward to seeing the new map on Mondays.
Actually at the end there was quite a bit of change with Rome surpassing Illyria to become #2 (the gap would only have grown for the next several turns...) and of course the Umbrians being reduced, but even all that was a moot point. Too bad Caius capitulated so quickly! :laugh4:
The towns would already be built, with a couple villages per town. Each province would be a town with villages. Level of the town and number of villages would affect the taxes raised and men able to be hired for troops. Soldiers would take two turns to recruit, and towns could only be upgraded one level per turn. Starting new towns would be massively difficult and expensive, so that over the game it'd be about conquering the existing towns, not building your own. I would want to to reflect more future oriented strategy - you can't wait till the enemy are on your doorstep to hire troops, so you always need some around. Towns with castles would give big defense bonuses, but enemy armies could raid and burn villages and 'mines/woodmills/etc'.
CR
This is a good idea, but what would prevent spamming of small armies to take unoccupied towns?
Maybe some .ORG awards :beam: ... winners first, honorable mentions after... imo only and take with a grain of salt:
Most peaceful nation: Illyria, Rome, Gaul
Largest coffers: Venice
Most powerful nation: Venice, Rome
Bloodiest nation: Umbria, Epeirotes, Venice
Capitulation award: Gaul, Etruscans
Most effective propoganda: Venice, Epeirotes, Carthage
"Most hated rivals" (formerly known as -Stagnation-) award: Kendermore, Sandalyon
Best seafaring: Carthage, Venice, Umbria
Oh yes, and cheers to my good ally Rome!
Crazed Rabbit
10-04-2007, 19:25
This is a good idea, but what would prevent spamming of small armies to take unoccupied towns?
All rebel towns would have a not insignificant army in them.
Glad you liked the game!
CR
WooT, I had 2 nominations, but I should be the first in peacefull factions.
I want RoC3.
seireikhaan
10-05-2007, 00:42
Most peaceful nation: Sicily, Rome, Illyria, Gaul
Oh yes, and cheers to my good ally Rome!
I have a slight problem with that. You see, it should be considered that Sicily has attempted an invasion of Carthage, but I had ordered my fleet to intercept any fleets attempting to enter their movement range. In the PM, CR stated that "thousands of soldiers drowned" after I sunk the entire fleet.
Do you want a RoC 3 based in other place?
I would want one for the whole Eastern Europe.
seireikhaan
10-05-2007, 00:49
Hmm. I think perhaps a middle east RoC?
seireikhaan
10-05-2007, 00:53
I was actually thinking Babylon instead. Babylon could be a neutral city, starting at 5, with high defenses(the walls of Babylon), and starting in the middle of the map.
Ignoramus
10-05-2007, 05:38
And I thought I had a good navy with 7 ships...
Crazed Rabbit
10-05-2007, 07:06
I have a slight problem with that. You see, it should be considered that Sicily has attempted an invasion of Carthage, but I had ordered my fleet to intercept any fleets attempting to enter their movement range. In the PM, CR stated that "thousands of soldiers drowned" after I sunk the entire fleet.
That is true.
I'd say Illyria is most peaceful. Rome didn't attack anyone, true, but they made sure Epeiros was destroyed. Illyria had hired no soldiers at all before you attacked.
Here's a graph of national income:
https://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4241/nationalincomegraphif8.jpg
CR
I have a slight problem with that. You see, it should be considered that Sicily has attempted an invasion of Carthage, but I had ordered my fleet to intercept any fleets attempting to enter their movement range. In the PM, CR stated that "thousands of soldiers drowned" after I sunk the entire fleet.
Ah snap. Ok, Sicily loses their nomination for most peaceful country :beam: .
I was thinking if there is a RoC 3 that it would be interesting to work in a second competitive dimension alongside the military aspect, the former having just as tangible of implications as the latter. Maybe something like the "culture" aspect in the Civilization series. There could be culture "levels" for each city, default is 1. Effect and rules would be something like:
-culture level cannot exceed economic level.
-each culture level adds 400 income (where economic levels add 200 income), but this amount is not effected by trade. Only "economic" income is multiplied through trade.
-for every foreign city within, say a 200 km radius (maybe more), of a high culture city, if the difference between the two cities' culture levels is 3 or more, there is a chance every turn that the lesser city will defect to the faction with the high culture city. Not an act of war. Chance of defection could be something like: Where C1>C2, Chance of defection for C2 = .1(C1 - (C2 + 2))
-the culture level for each city determines how many "trading partners" it supplies to overseas traders. Since default C level is 1, everything starts out as normal. However, if a nation upgrades a coastal city to culture level 3, other nations will respond as if that city is actually three when calculating trading partners.
-In regards to defection, each high culture city (level 4 or above) can cancel the "defection influence" for a single foreign high culture city within 200 km of equal or lesser C level.
-no limit to C level or economic levels. Unsure of how to price C upgrade across levels. C upgrade price probably not as expensive as E, and maybe does not rise as steeply.
-high culture cities have less capacity to raise troops than other cities. For example, C level 4: limit 2000 per turn; C5: limit 1000 per turn; C6: limit 500 per turn...
The main incentive for a country is the defection effect. The added income is a perk and makes the "infrastructure" stonger and less dependent on sea trade. The added trading partners for foreign countries makes far off countries with lots of coast happy, and is a "mixed blessing" for nearer countries.
While most of this could be automated through a spreadsheet and just involves a little more data entry, the defection effect would have to be taken care of manually, both when players are specifying orders and for the moderator.
Another addition might be to demark a "rectangle" on the world map outside of which cities only earn 1/2 the income they would otherwise.
These additions would balance large advantages that nations who are not at a threat of military invasion for one reason or another (venice, illyria, carthage last game) have. Of course if you used this culture dimension, the city founding process and sea trade would have to stay. These are just ideas, I don't have any practical experience hosting the game so I have no clue actually how difficult these would be to implement :beam:. I just wrote this off the top of my head, so comments welcome.
*Very interesting to see that graph... somewhat different than what I thought was going on.
Twilightblade
10-06-2007, 02:10
-high culture cities have less capacity to raise troops than other cities. For example, C level 4: limit 2000 per turn; C5: limit 1000 per turn; C6: limit 500 per turn...
What if they want a military culture:beam:
Hmm. We were not really stagnant. We were both constantly preventing each other from expansion. I knew I was screwed in the long run, but I did what I could to make everybody else hate me! :laugh4:
Not static, but you guys were hella stagnant in the overall picture, sorry.
Well your opposition to the nomination is noted, I suppose...
EDIT: maybe you would rather have the...
"Most hated rivals award": Sandalyon vs Kendermore
"Most hated rivals award": Sandalyon vs Kendermore
I gotta agree. Had Kender choose somewhere else to settle, then there's no need for war in Corsica :beam:
Anyway, great game CR! :thumbsup:
Not static, but you guys were hella stagnant in the overall picture, sorry.
Well your opposition to the nomination is noted, I suppose...
EDIT: maybe you would rather have the...
"Most hated rivals award": Sandalyon vs Kendermore
That works.
Btw Tran, glad to be of service.
vBulletin® v3.7.1, Copyright ©2000-2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.