King of the Romans OOC thread VII

[econ21]

...but can the chancellor do that or has he just missed my post on the building queue?

Build queues should be posted before a Diet session ends, so maybe Factionheir is treating yours as optional? It's the kind of thing you would be justified in kicking up a fuss in character if you want. (Personally, I am a little sceptical of brothels - don't they give bad traits? We have a Master Thieves Guild somewhere, so might be better getting our spies from there.)

[McIwoo]

yeah for the ic fuss I thought about it but I wasn't sure if it wasn't actually allowed...I picked brothel before city hall because it's faster and marseille is in dire need of postive influence. I have no idea about the negative traits :no:

so city hall is prolly the best idea...still I'm going to break hell in the chancellor's message box :furious3:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I guess we are heading for a Diet session on Mondary or thereabouts.

Ugh - I'll be out Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. :wall: Mind extending the voting for a day so I can get mine in? I really don't want to miss another session.

[gibsonsg91921]

who's gonna be chancellor?

[FactionHeir]

Probably better to ask that during the election :p
Besides Hans, no-one is standing at the moment, but then the diet session doesn't open till Monday most likely.

McIwoo: All build queues posted/sent after the start of a term are deemed entirely optional, and as such the chancellor is not obligated to fulfill them.
Generally, I look at the optional queues and see if anything useful is in there. If there is, I build it. If I see something else that is better, I choose that.

[gibsonsg91921]

:P i meant who was going to stand for chancellor

[Stig]

I believe Ignoramus wants to have another go at you ~D


Wrote a little history of Ansehelm btw

[gibsonsg91921]

nice read stiggy

ignoramus is up again? nice
idk who ill vote for whoever has the best manifesto i guess

[Ignoramus]

Ulrich will run. However, as usual, I will be absent tomorrow. I just wanted everyone to know where I am.

[gibsonsg91921]

lets get more runners so its not last election the sequel

non-swabians? haha

[Stig]

Well I believe we have a problem here. We have loads of old characters, who are going to die in the following years.
And next to that there are many undeveloped characters, like your Peter and my Ansehelm, new kids on the block, and what we need are the characters who fit in the category between these two.

[gibsonsg91921]

well, excluding unassigned, the young characters include the young steffens, duke arnold, sigismund von mahren, us young kastiliens, elberhard. middle characters are like hans, conrad salier, gerhard steffen, ulrich hummel, etc. old is basically henry, gunther, and fredericus.

you should make a run stiggy

[flyd]

Oh, I have a feeling we won't have the last election, the sequel.

[gibsonsg91921]

interesting

[Stig]

you should make a run stiggy
Ansehelm needs more bagage first, he's still young ... maybe in some time.

[gibsonsg91921]

@stig - maybe so, but hes still gonna be duke someday and i think he holds pretty good influence

[econ21]

I'm not sure whether Factionheir has any other plans, but if not, it looks like the 48 hour deadline for battles expires about 19.00 Sunday (UK time). I think Warluster and Xdeathfire still have options to fight battles. They now have less than 24 hours to do so.


Ugh - I'll be out Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Mind extending the voting for a day so I can get mine in? I really don't want to miss another session.

If it is just a day, I'll extend it. But if we get going earlier (ie Sunday or Monday), it might be better for you to give me advance notice of any votes. It would be good if candidates could declare early, and any controversial edicts placed early, so GH can post his vote.

[FactionHeir]

Ahhh knackered after 2 long days/nights of O2 wireless ambulance duties.
Righto, will check diet post and see if there's anything interesting.

[FactionHeir]

As for the battles, people actually have merely 1 hour left to fight them, as the PMs were sent out 1:33 am on the 15th of June UK time. Its now 0:34 am UK time, the 17th of June.

When do you want to start the new diet session econ? In a few hours or Monday?

[gibsonsg91921]

lets start it in a few hours! woot w00t

update: my game and patch 1.2 are reinstalled, and im going to try the switch before i put the mod in. i assume its fine, as i am not running the unpacker

edit: it works!

[econ21]

When do you want to start the new diet session econ? In a few hours or Monday?

Let's do it. I am about to go to bed, but if you want to press end turn now, I doubt any generals will upload their post-battle saves in the next twenty minutes. I may open the Diet in the morning, providing Henry lives to see the dawn...

[FactionHeir]

Right.
I'll autoresolve Warluster's battle then and let Xdeathfire wait out in Paris.

[econ21]

I'll autoresolve Warluster's battle then ...

Why not just not attack? He can do it next turn.

[Warluster]

Have you ended turn yet, I will fight my battle now.

[gibsonsg91921]

if i remember right
henry dies now, so jobst is emperor and goddang siegfried is the prince. watch out for the plague in thorn, next chancellor cuz ansehelm dies by 1242 if u dont move him

[econ21]

I am going to have to call it a night. Factionheir and Warluster whatever you two decide is fine by me. ~:grouphug:

[gibsonsg91921]

now that i got it working, mod and all, i cant wait to get going in my first battle! haha

[FactionHeir]

I just ended turn already and warluster's battle was autoresolved, clear victory, ransomed some 1400 florins worth of prisoners.

[Warluster]

uh well, I guess I was too slow :)

[gibsonsg91921]

well, henry's dead now so warluster can start the diet i believe

[FactionHeir]

Err Henry didn't die in my game. Maybe in yours.
And please stop posting what happens in the following years if you play ahead!

[gibsonsg91921]

i changed it to spoil lol idk i thought he did cuz he died in mine every time. dang i wanted to get my diet on...

sorry for the spoilers tho lol

[Warluster]

gibsonsg,

In every game something diffrent happens, its all the mechanics.

[gibsonsg91921]

yeah i figured its random but it happened to me more than once so i guess its a random occurence generated by my game alone.

jobst is still allowed to start diet right? i guess its hasty but idk lol

[StoneCold]

FH, you make Henry into a killer... Now his soul will rot in hell... :P

[gibsonsg91921]

lol yeah wasnt he henry the crusader, now henry the killer? haha

[StoneCold]

ya, I think for a while he was even known as the Champion... :P

[gibsonsg91921]

lol those dang amazing assassins
i played ahead and picked off the danish prince, 60% odds, with hans plitterdorf

[FactionHeir]

Well....taking out enemy targets, mainly generals, training targets and an inquisitor do take training.
Also, report 1240 is now up with a battle table (that is almost complete)

[gibsonsg91921]

hey hans, id worry about going for another term - people may not like the idea of breaking precedent :P
i think its nice to have a new face every ten turns

[Warluster]

20 turns isn't it?

[GeneralHankerchief]

20 years, 10 turns. It was only 20 turns for my initial reign, then it got too big.

[Stig]

Heh, how long before you get married? Ansehelm is 27, and damned fertile ~D

[FactionHeir]

hey hans, id worry about going for another term - people may not like the idea of breaking precedent :P
i think its nice to have a new face every ten turns

Well, if I don't break it, Warluster probably will as he can just use his priviledge as emperor (Unlikely Henry survives till 68) to become chancellor the next term.

[econ21]

I've updated the Stats in the playlist (first post of the Chancellor reports thread) - let me know if there are any errors, as the stats in that table will be used to weight votes. (Once votes have been tallied, I won't unpick them).

In terms of the precedent of serving for 20 turns, there is nothing wrong with serving twice. But when there are several players competing, I personally will tend to vote for the one(s) who have never been Chancellor before. That's a purely OOC thing: to share out the fun - old style PBMs used to follow the principle of Buggins turn.

[gibsonsg91921]

personally i have no doubt that hans would continue to do well, but that can be said of all the chancellors.

[Stuperman]

Well, if I don't break it, Warluster probably will as he can just use his priviledge as emperor (Unlikely Henry survives till 68) to become chancellor the next term.

How would Warluster using such privilege break the no back to back Chancellorships 'precident'?

[TinCow]

The Library will be updated tonight. I've already done all the in-game screenshots for it. (Dear god, there are a lot of some avatars.)

[Ituralde]

Hey there,

I'm back from the funeral, have already worked my way through the OOC thread, but I guess that's just the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully I'll be in shape for the upcoming Diet. I'm gonna look at the avatars available and see if I jump in or wait for something Austrian to crop up in the future.

Either way, I'm back! :beam:

[Stig]

I'm against Edict 10.3 for OOC reasons. I want to make it to the Aztecs, if we take more French settlements they're more or less done for it, and we will come dangerously close to 45 settlements.

Just to let you know

[FactionHeir]

OOCly, I think edict 10.1 is semi-alright. Sacking and leaving them isn't too bad as they can retake them, but we ought to not destroy military buildings there and probably cut down the targets to 2 or 3.
Having only one large army makes it very difficult to besiege/assault more than 2-3 settlements in addition to movement unless you have several trained spies nearby. The nearest place where we can train spies is way west in Europe as there are no brothels around.

[Stig]

OOCly, I think edict 10.1 is semi-alright. Sacking and leaving them isn't too bad as they can retake them, but we ought to not destroy military buildings there and probably cut down the targets to 2 or 3.
Having only one large army makes it very difficult to besiege/assault more than 2-3 settlements in addition to movement unless you have several trained spies nearby. The nearest place where we can train spies is way west in Europe as there are no brothels around.

True, and btw I only put in Vilnius (the Polish province) since it was more or less on the route. I don't mind if it's sacked or not.
Helsinki for the same reason. A spy (or priest) to check out the size of Helsinki would be nice. The main target is Novgorod

And I want to destroy military buildings because that will make sure they won't come back for like 50 years.

[AussieGiant]

I really think it's time for some proper non-expansionist ruling.

We are really just hammering the AI now.

Personally Arnold has done absolutely bugger all since becoming Duke so I'm going to have to come up with something to liven things up.

When it comes to running for Chancellor it might be an idea for guy's to think about things like a modern day ruler.

Countries don't expand their borders now days so there are plenty of other themes to run on.

OK has given an example in his comments towards FH.

Just something to think about.

As for Arnold, then by god is he going to kill some Hungarians.

Ituralde you're still me defacto General while I'm away for fighting battles so your about to begin the martial career of your son!! :)

[Ituralde]

I'll do my very best, AG!

[FactionHeir]

Before anyone else says it:


Welcome back Ituralde!

[OverKnight]

Welcome back Ituralde, the Diet isn't the same without Leopold's firebreathing. :2thumbsup:

GH is Conrad getting the shakes? That must be some kind bud if he's going into withdrawal over cannabis. Unless, of course, Hash has served as a gateway drug to Opium. :sweatdrop:

Edit: Three way race! Sweet. A first!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Indeed, welcome back, Ituralde. :yes:


GH is Conrad getting the shakes? That must be some kind bud if he's going into withdrawal over cannabis. Unless, of course, Hash has served as a gateway drug to Opium. :sweatdrop:

I expect you'll find out very shortly.

-edit- Nice, we have three candidates, maybe even four! Let Diet Smackdown begin!

[econ21]

I really think it's time for some proper non-expansionist ruling.

I fear we may be closing the stable doors after the horse has bolted, but I have proposed Charter Amendment 10.2 to try to restrain our expansion.

Like the religious buildings edict, it's a largely OOC proposal.

[Stig]

*goes of the second CA 10.2*

[AussieGiant]

Good to see you back Ituralde!!

[AussieGiant]

Does anyone know what the schedule is for the next patch?

And GH, niiice one there maaate :)

This should get the juices flowing.

[econ21]

Does anyone know what the schedule is for the next patch?

I suspect there will be one with the expansion, which I think is out in the Fall sometime. I'm not sure what it will cover - I've avoided the 1.2 bug thread, as the 1.1 one made me ill.

[AussieGiant]

I suspect there will be one with the expansion, which I think is out in the Fall sometime. I'm not sure what it will cover - I've avoided the 1.2 bug thread, as the 1.1 one made me ill.

Thanks for that.

Too true econ. I've all but given up on the Citidel because the PBM is taking up all my time.

I still read of course but those patch threads are really something else.

By the way your screen shots always look great. What settings are you on and what is your PC spec. I don't mean specifics just general stuff.

[econ21]

What settings are you on and what is your PC spec.

I confess upgraded my graphics card just for this game. I got a Geforce 7800 GS 512MB - the best AGP card available (at least when I bought it). The computer is unexceptional: P4 3.4GHz, 1 GB RAM.

The settings are shader 2, 1024x768, everything high, no anti-aliasing and ansiotropic x 2.

When I had an older video card, I found shader 1 was best and with no shadows.

One day I'll probably blow up my computer playing M2TW (as I did an older one playing RTW), as the graphics card is supposed to need far more power than my power unit delivers. But I tried upgrading the power unit and the new one did blow up, so I'll just wait for that day.

[AussieGiant]

I confess upgraded my graphics card just for this game. I got a Geforce 7800 GS 512MB - the best AGP card available (at least when I bought it). The computer is unexceptional: P4 3.4GHz, 1 GB RAM.

The settings are shader 2, 1024x768, everything high, no anti-aliasing and ansiotropic x 2.

When I had an older video card, I found shader 1 was best and with no shadows.

One day I'll probably blow up my computer playing M2TW (as I did an older one playing RTW), as the graphics card is supposed to need far more power than my power unit delivers. But I tried upgrading the power unit and the new one did blow up, so I'll just wait for that day.

Ahh the old "blow up" upgrade solution... :2thumbsup:

That certainly is one way to go about things LOL.

Thanks for the information econ. I wish I could be home more to play. It's really hampering what I would like to do with this PBM.

Ahh well.

[TinCow]

I fear we may be closing the stable doors after the horse has bolted, but I have proposed Charter Amendment 10.2 to try to restrain our expansion.

Like the religious buildings edict, it's a largely OOC proposal.

The religious buildings edict is too connected with RP for me to vote on it exclusively on an OOC basis. The very aspect of making it religious oriented means that it has RP consequences. CA 10.2 is a good OOC expansion limitation attempt and I think all serious debate on it should be conducted here. There's no way it could pass a proper RP Diet vote, so let's not even bother. Let's discuss it here and vote on it entirely OOC.

I agree that the horse has already bolted and the serious challenges are done with, but I feel that KOTR has got 2 to 3 more solid Chancellorships before it really comes to any conclusion. France is still fielding a lot of men and two factions have dramatically increased their territories lately: England and Spain. If we ever come into conflict with them, we will have a few more interesting (even if not challenging) periods.

Regardless, I think we should simply be aiming to play out the game naturally. When it 'feels' like it's over, then it's over, no big deal. I feel like we've learned as much from KOTR as we did from WOTS and whatever we come up with after this one will be another leap forward. Remember, when KOTR is over, it just means it's time to start another game!

[FactionHeir]

Part of the reason our enemy fields larger armies is because they got more florins than normal, after some private discussion with our gamemaster econ.
Between 10k-30k depending on whether we are at war with them and how much they had when I checked.

[gibsonsg91921]

hey FH i didnt think u abused power, i was referring to matthias's allegations

[TinCow]

From the Diet:


As for CA 10.2, I believe I can second that. It would not afterall interfere with any of the other edicts proposed, as those settlements taken can be given to our allies or the pope, to create a buffer zone.

I really think we need to stop giving the Pope territories. That doesn't help anyone, including ourselves. A Papal 'buffer zone' will futher decrease the pressure on our borders. Durazzo already bugs me every time I load up the game. It makes no RP sense (for the Pope or us) and reduces the challenge.

[OverKnight]

It's too bad we can't go back and modify the King's Purse. I've been playing an HRE campaign VH/VH and doubled everyone's but mine, and it's been a satisfying game. I'm in this huge never ending war on my Eastern frontier with the Poles and Russians, the hordes keep coming off the steppe.

[FactionHeir]

It could make RP sense, as a way of repenting for the bloodshed involved in taking a settlement and to atone for the sin of attacking a fellow Christian nation, by giving it to the pope for extended governing and making sure that there will be no further bloodshed there.
I can see what you mean though, as it does in a way decrease the amount of units the enemies will field in that direction. OTOH is makes expansion tougher for us too and has some serious consequences if we ever get excommed again, as the pope might well attack us.
Probably an OOC CA would be good to determine by an OOC vote whether a given settlement may be given to the pope or not.

[FactionHeir]

It's too bad we can't go back and modify the King's Purse. I've been playing an HRE campaign VH/VH and doubled everyone's but mine, and it's been a satisfying game. I'm in this huge never ending war on my Eastern frontier with the Poles and Russians, the hordes keep coming off the steppe.

Yeah, would save the time involved in typing all those console commands and making sure you don't forget.
I've been playing my SP campaigns with the AI having 7-10k purse, which for the most part has been a fine experience, although they still run out of florins regularly.
Reducing build time for all buildings by 1 (for some silly buildings by more, i.e. academy or printing press, or theater) also helps the AI field late period armies faster and makes the game less of a drag.

[gibsonsg91921]

haha no one has ever seconded any edicts or charter amendments i propose. whats so bad about midterm sessions? i thought it was a good idea

[AussieGiant]

From the Diet:



I really think we need to stop giving the Pope territories. That doesn't help anyone, including ourselves. A Papal 'buffer zone' will futher decrease the pressure on our borders. Durazzo already bugs me every time I load up the game. It makes no RP sense (for the Pope or us) and reduces the challenge.


I agree.

It was only offered by me because I thought there was way too much territorial acquisition going on. I was actually surprised at the number of territories being taken and did not think the AHA had permission to acquire it.

Maybe its another excommunication issue what to happen :beam:

[gibsonsg91921]

maybe if we got venice excommunicated somehow it could be more fun...

[OverKnight]

haha no one has ever seconded any edicts or charter amendments i propose. whats so bad about midterm sessions? i thought it was a good idea

Well, we have the option of an emergency session, and the people who can call it have been expanded.

Also, I like to keep up the pace of play, and I don't like the idea of doubling the amount of four day Diet session and voting blocs.

Keep trying you'll pass something.

How bout:

Edict 10.4: Kittens are cute.

[FactionHeir]

Paint the map black and white with a few gold linings? :grin:

Overall, during my term we took 3 settlements after subtractions.
In addition to those 2 we kepts (Paris, Sofia, Edessa) we retook Thorn and Zagreb and took Durazzo but gave it to the papacy.

[gibsonsg91921]

if edict 10.1 passes, i want some gothic knights in that teutonic crusade :drool:

[flyd]

Edict 10.4: Kittens are cute.

I cannot support this edict. Kittens are annoying, they scratch and bite. Later, they turn into cats. I can only support this edict if it is amended such that the kittens are replaced with puppies, who are indeed very cute.

[gibsonsg91921]

tag on a rider including bunnies

[FactionHeir]

We currently got 2 Gothic Knights at experience 1 with weapon upgrade. To get them to Franconia though, it would either have to be the long route via Vienna, Prague, Thorn or the short route via Bran, eastern Budapest border and Krakow.
The short route is guarded by Hungarians and Poles of course :D

TBH, I was thinking of using the first batch of Gothics together with the two Two-handers to get Hans to Outremer and fight some Mongols. Been a long time since I last did that.

Btw, Thorn should be upgradable to a citadel soon or I'm currently doing that. Forgot which of the two.

[econ21]

I agree Durazzo is odd - I would rather we traded land for peace, although that may be hard to pull off. I noticed there was a Council of Nobles mission to retake Durazzo... :eyebrows:

On the OOC Amendments, we can make OOC arguments here and in character ones in the Diet. I am fine with people voting on either, and voting either way. Just because I proposed it for OOC reasons, doesn't mean it can't be opposed for either OOC or in character reasons. When we do another campaign, I'd be inclined to propose something similar to CA10.2 (or stronger) in the rules to constrain us. Maybe even a "homelands" rule - you can only recruit in your starter provinces + a few.

I agree there is quite a lot of juice left in the PBM. The votes in the Diet session are the way in which players collectively can control its direction.

[FactionHeir]

I think for the next PBM it would be worthwhile to pre-plan on all kinds of game mechanics we'd want to set before starting the Grand campaign, as some things can only be changed before a campaign is started.
Example: Victory conditions, Timescale, starting settlements/units, AI favorite behavior, king's purse, age of characters, names, base unrest, merc availability/experience.

But I'm thinking too far ahead now probably.

The mission to retake Durazzo is the bug-type mission though: annex. Never works even if you do it properly.
CA 10.2 is not really OOC. You wrote it well enough to be accepted ICly.

[TinCow]

What makes you think she's a witch?
Well, she turned me into a newt!
A newt?
I got better.

Sorry, just finished pasting together Gerhard Steffen's bio and I couldn't resist.

[edit] Ok, all photos and basic world info updated in the Library. The rest of the info will be updated tomorrow. Apologies for the slowness, but this stuff takes longer and longer as the game gets going. A full Library update is now running me 3+ hours.

[Ignoramus]

Gunpowder has been discovered? That is good news!

[Ituralde]

No hurry TinCow, your efforts are really appreciated!

[Ignoramus]

Thanks very much for all the effort your putting in, TinCow! 3 hours certainly is a long time.

As a side note, has anyone noticed how well the English are going?

[StoneCold]

ya, looks like the scots are done. I think you guys should leave an ave of expansion for them in France or they might declare war much sooner.

[TinCow]

Yes, England already has several large armies on the Continent and they will certainly become more active there with Scotland nearly dead. Spain also looks like it will take full control of Iberia in the near future. There are several major Moorish and Portuguese armies there, but Spain has more armies and more resources, so victory looks just like a matter of time for them.

[gibsonsg91921]

neat work TC - is england still our ally?

[TinCow]

yes

[Stuperman]

Hey AG, I know how you feel, since becoming Duke of Bavaria Gerhard's been as useful as a chocolate teapot.

expansion of 1 region/house/chancellorship would give us 3 more chancellorships (assuming we have 33 regions now), but I'm not sure if that's slow enough.

Strictly limiting expansion for the next 40-60 years or so is probably best so that we get to fight some large Spanish and English armies, maybe we should aim for a net expansion of Ajaccio and Krakow with the rest of our conquests either abandoned or used for diplomatic ends?

edit: wewt wewt TC on the Library update, and WTH, 20 years in rome and I'm still a blighted hypochondriac, Damn it.

[StoneCold]

Well, at least you got rid of the warts and cough...

Are we going to help the Portuguese? Spain look set to gobble them up by the next chancellorship.

Also, OK sounds too mature compared to TC's char... :P

[OverKnight]

Also, OK sounds too mature compared to TC's char... :P

Guilty. :embarassed: I'm doing the best I can to build a new character. It's not working out as I thought it would. Besides the other new avatars have the market cornered on being fiery hard chargers, I guess Matt is the somewhat bookish wonk lost in the background. Still I don't think Otto would have recklessly gone after a sitting Chancellor like that. Except when he berated Leopold, but that was a special circumstance. :laugh4:

Oh well, I can always chalk up his maturity to the fact that he's Elsebeth's pool boy.

[gibsonsg91921]

matthias's grandma has got it going on shes all i want and ive waited so long. o wait..

[gibsonsg91921]

hey anyone want to join magna carta? we need more barons and its really cool. u can play both magna carta and kotr, in fact almost all of us are. u can fight civil wars or prove your loyalty to the king. its getting started - join and reserve your avatars, quick!

[AussieGiant]

Hey AG, I know how you feel, since becoming Duke of Bavaria Gerhard's been as useful as a chocolate teapot.

expansion of 1 region/house/chancellorship would give us 3 more chancellorships (assuming we have 33 regions now), but I'm not sure if that's slow enough.

Strictly limiting expansion for the next 40-60 years or so is probably best so that we get to fight some large Spanish and English armies, maybe we should aim for a net expansion of Ajaccio and Krakow with the rest of our conquests either abandoned or used for diplomatic ends?

edit: wewt wewt TC on the Library update, and WTH, 20 years in rome and I'm still a blighted hypochondriac, Damn it.

Hey Stuperman,

I'm glad someone is feeling the same way.

When Ituralde crushed those Hungarian's I'm going to be hanging on every word.

By the way Ituralde, you must kill every single prisoner you take!! I need MORE DREAD!!

GIVE ME MORE DREAD FATHER!!!

[Stuperman]

I really like Ignoramus's idea to have sub-provinces with thier own defence force, It would free up the household armies (which Franconia and Austria need) and allow for another active command which wouldn't hurt especially with all the new players joining recently.

[FactionHeir]

I think only Franconia would benefit from 2 armies to defend against Poles and advance against Russians.

Swabia maybe could use 2 to defend the southern border, but the French so far have been quiet down there.

Bavaria won't need a second one as Italy is secure. Once the Milanese are gone, I wonder if they'll even need one at all till the Sicilians betray us.

Austria used to need 2, but with Durazzo being papal now, will only need 1 to defend Budapest. Sofia can defend itself with a general present and can fend off Bucharest and Thessalonica incursions as well as the odd stack wandering down from Bran.
Perfect positions for Austria would be 1 fort at the border to Bran, just about where the current fort is, and one fort slightly north west of Sofia. Arnold and Sigismund should be well suited for that and allow me to move to Outremer or France, depending on how things go.

[Stig]

I think only Franconia would benefit from 2 armies to defend against Poles and advance against Russians.
And that's why I wanted that small crusade, so I would get a "free" army for it.

The thing Franconia would need is a small army in the west, but Prince Jobst is currently doing that job.

[AussieGiant]

I would prefer two standing armies. Call me power hungry but one to attack and one to defend is nice plus it drains our over bloated coffers nicely :)

I'm annoyed that I/we gave the Pope Daruzzo now...god damn it!!

I have no one to fight!! :oops:

Can't we do something :yes: :wall:

[flyd]

Wanna come to the Outremer? We have Horse Lords, in stock and at very reasonable prices!

[GeneralHankerchief]

"I'm off," said the madman.

I'll be back on Saturday. Don't leave me a crushing amount to read. :laugh4:

[FactionHeir]

AG: You'll have enough to fight. You are besieged by the Hungarians in your little fort afterall. :grin:

[OverKnight]

Looking at the Family Tree (good work as always TC) it seems our Empire is filled with a bunch of confirmed bachelors. Outside of the Swabians, none of the latest generation is marrying. We currently have enough avatars, I'm just worried a bit about the future.

I've given up trying to understand the various family tree mechanics. I guess there's not much to do about it. The only thing I could think of would be to arrange "accidents" for some of the avatars who won't be claimed.

[Stig]

Aye, we should get more married generals. But do we have some princesses ourselves who we can marry to our own generals?


just checked: Lyse von Salza is about to come of age if I'm correct. We should marry her to a good own family member (good traits for get children and such so we atleast get some again) imo.

[OverKnight]

Intriguing news about the Princess, that should set off a "Who wants to marry into the Royal Family?" contest among the Houses. It will only add more spice to the game.

The last Princess character we had set off quite an interesting chain of events. :wink:

[Warluster]

Is Lyse von Salza Jobst's daughter?
If so, I might make it a thing where Jobst is a sort of choosey father.

[Ituralde]

I looked through all the threads and really a bunch of things have happened. I'm pretty impartial on most of the Amendments proposed so far. I think we're doing quite fine, balancing OOC with IC, balancing expansion and so on.

What I found really hard though is to find another character to give some agenda, some special meaning, most of the unclaimed ones look rather bland. Mabye the guy freshly married into the House of Franconia, he looks like a new face. With the Diet session this advanced though, I don't want to introduce anything new just yet.

For now, I'm gonna act as an anonymous Austrian Elector, Austria really needs some voting powers anyway. Once the Diet is over, I see what'll crop up.

Cheers!

Ituralde


P.S: That is, if the House of Franconia wants to have me! :beam:

[econ21]

Is Lyse von Salza Jobst's daughter?
If so, I might make it a thing where Jobst is a sort of choosey father.

I think we did agree that the Emperor should decide who princesses (ie ones with their own avatars) marry. So if she spawns when you are Kaiser, I think it should be your call (even if she is not your daughter - I am vague on whether only the faction leader's daughters are princesses).

[Ignoramus]

I think that was only princess characters, who are of course the Emperor's daughters.

[FactionHeir]

Female offspring are considered princesses if at the time of marriagable age, they are the daughter of either a factionleader (can be dead) or a factionheir (must be alive)

Our future heir won't have troubles finding a bride as we can buy one off the other factions.

[Stig]

P.S: That is, if the House of Franconia wants to have me!
We'll make a poll ~D


btw I did multiple kill Henry's and:
Siegfried keeps becoming prince
So you know who to choose would you want to become prince, and who to choose if you don't want to.


I believe Prince's daughters and Emperor's daughters become princesses, but most of the time the Prince's daughters won't come of age while he is still alive.

[Ignoramus]

It must change each turn. I remember I remember a while back that it was Peter who would be heir.

[Stig]

It must change each turn. I remember I remember a while back that it was Peter who would be heir.
Did about 10 different scenarios

[FactionHeir]

The heir changes usually if there is a change in family tree structure, i.e. someone coming of age, adoption, marriage in between. If you just end turn a few times and do some non tree related stuff, it won't change.

[edit]
I'm interested who becomes heir if you kill Siegfried off. Wanna run a concurrent scenario, Stig? You on your end, I on mine.

[Stig]

Well in one I killed Arnold, in another Sigismund (hey they came under attack) and I married some girls. So it should have been changing

[FactionHeir]

OK, after a few tests it seems that Elberhard would become heir if Siegfried is killed in 1240.
Two unassigned avatars :grin:
I suppose if we all agree, we could set the next heir via console and then kill off Siegfried to force the game into accepting the player-chosen heir.

[Stig]

Or someone can take Siegfried, I'm against killing him

Kill a Swabian if you want to kill someone, I heard this Hans-fellow can easely be killed ~D

[econ21]

If things work out how Stig says, I would like Ituralde to take Siegfried - I think he'd be a good Emperor and it alleviates the short term problem of the absentee Austrian avatars.

[TinCow]

If it is just a day, I'll extend it. But if we get going earlier (ie Sunday or Monday), it might be better for you to give me advance notice of any votes. It would be good if candidates could declare early, and any controversial edicts placed early, so GH can post his vote.

So what's the deal here? Is the election going to be extended by a day?

[AussieGiant]

I think we did agree that the Emperor should decide who princesses (ie ones with their own avatars) marry. So if she spawns when you are Kaiser, I think it should be your call (even if she is not your daughter - I am vague on whether only the faction leader's daughters are princesses).


Pick me, pick me!!

I have not looked at the family tree to see if that's "just not cricket"...but marriages are a great way to spice up the role play.

[OverKnight]

Remember, Jobst was adopted, so his daughter is not a blood relation to anyone outside her immediate family.

Besides this is European royalty we're talking about, aren't they all terribly inbred anyway? :laugh4:

[gibsonsg91921]

Marry Péter von Kastilien - everyone loves a rabble-rouser.

[Stig]

atleast wait till she's of age

paedophiles :whip:

[Ituralde]

What happens if you marry someone to somebody else from the family tree by the way? I mean will the female swith over to the male or the other way around? Just curious!

And I must say the prospect of playing a future Prince intrigues me. Still I wanted to wait this Diet session, before I do anything radical.

[Stig]

Other way around.

The male switches as he becomes a prince

[FactionHeir]

Actually the female moves to the male in the tree, leaving a blank spot where she was.

Game only prohibits the closest incest (parent/offspring, full-sib mating). All other forms are possible.

[econ21]

So what's the deal here? Is the election going to be extended by a day?

No - polling will open tomorrow morning for just 24 hours. GH has PMd me with his vote. We'd have to extend by three days to include him otherwise.

[FactionHeir]

Stig:
I don't know what you avatar is on about in the diet, but that's a lot of false information.
Pop levels do stop eventually (for huge cities at 72000) but squalor cap is usually reached quite a bit in advance at around 30-35k. Once the squalor cap is hit, any pop growth only contributes to taxes but not decreased PO.

Also, having high taxes does not lower PO over time. Its a constant hit as long as taxes are up that is not increasing over time at all.

[AussieGiant]

So Ituralde,

Are you taking my 6th Austrian Elector position or defecting to the Franconian's? :)

I'd like you to stay in the Austrian camp as I just roleplayed my Dukey stuff.

[AussieGiant]

Let me marry the wench!! :)

Can someone post up her avatar photo so I can see if she's hot enough for Arnold?

[Stuperman]

Wouldn't edict 10.8 need approval of the Kaiser as he is the only one who can control the distrobution of settlements?

[FactionHeir]

Indeed it would. So if it falls in Warluster's term, its up to him to decide whether it may be given away or not.

[TinCow]

So Ituralde,

Are you taking my 6th Austrian Elector position or defecting to the Franconian's? :)

I'd like you to stay in the Austrian camp as I just roleplayed my Dukey stuff.

I think he said he's in Austria for this election, but might switch afterwards.

[FactionHeir]

AG: That edict 10.8 is kind of dangerous.
Firstly, it will be given to them whether we are at war or not.
Secondly, having the chancellor ensure a land bridge using all means at our disposal would mean mandatory conquest of all Byzantine territories if they declare war on us or huge payments to regain an alliance+access.

[TinCow]

Wouldn't edict 10.8 need approval of the Kaiser as he is the only one who can control the distrobution of settlements?


Indeed it would. So if it falls in Warluster's term, its up to him to decide whether it may be given away or not.

Yes and no. The Kaiser's approval is only required for giving away Imperial settlements. If econ21 allocated Sofia to Austria before he dies, it is no longer an Imperial settlement and AussieGiant is free to do what he wants with it.

[AussieGiant]

It's an edict so I assume it would be handled using the legislation authority rather than the Kaiser's authority.

It's an easy way to manage an exception to the rule.

[AussieGiant]

TC is of course our consituational lawyer so I believe he is correct :)

Of course the edict is dangerous FH, that's the whole point!!

We're coasting through this mate, I can create a mine field of legislation if I put my mind to it :)

I did study history and political science for 7 years, I roleplayed some absolute ball tearers in my time :yes:

[AussieGiant]

jees I'm just spamming away now.

The Austrian House should include the following provinces.

Vienna - Imperial Large City, Capital of Austria Unassigned/Arnold ??
Prague - Imperial City Unassigned / Arnold ??
Zagreb - Imperial City Zird
Venice - Imperial Large City Sigismund
Budapest - Imperial Large City 6th elector
Ragusa - Imperial Fortress Arnold

How do I check if this is accurate?

[OverKnight]

1st page C + G report thread has a listing of the territories, scroll down a bit. It might not be updated with your latest promotions however.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1383081&postcount=1

[AussieGiant]

Thanks OK,

So the other provinces in Austria are allocated by the Kaiser or not? There seems to be a gap hey?

Cheers
AG

[OverKnight]

If there are counties in a Duchy that do not have a count, the Duke (I.E. you) sets the queues, if that's what your asking.

The Kaiser assigns Imperials lands, if any, to Houses if he wants. Any unassigned Imperial lands are given build queues by the Kaiser.

[AussieGiant]

If there are counties in a Duchy that do not have a count, the Duke (I.E. you) sets the queues, if that's what your asking.

The Kaiser assigns Imperials lands, if any, to Houses if he wants. Any unassigned Imperial lands are given build queues by the Kaiser.


So how do I tell if Vienna, Prague and Ragusa are Austria or Imperial?

I guess Vienna is but Prague and Ragusa I'm not sure about.

[Stig]

Stig:
I don't know what you avatar is on about in the diet, but that's a lot of false information.
Pop levels do stop eventually (for huge cities at 72000) but squalor cap is usually reached quite a bit in advance at around 30-35k. Once the squalor cap is hit, any pop growth only contributes to taxes but not decreased PO.

Also, having high taxes does not lower PO over time. Its a constant hit as long as taxes are up that is not increasing over time at all.

Not true imo. I've done high taxes multiple times, and every time unhappiness keeps growing overtime (takes long but it happens)

[FactionHeir]

Most likely due to some heretic cropping up, a blocked trade route or increased population growth over time (squalor cap is 80% but does take time to get there, especially with higher taxes). Also governors picking up bad traits result in higher unrest.

[econ21]

So how do I tell if Vienna, Prague and Ragusa are Austria or Imperial?

I guess Vienna is but Prague and Ragusa I'm not sure about.

The first post in the Chancellor and Governors reports thread (the one that OK linked to) ends with a list of provinces by house.

[FactionHeir]

This race for chancellor seems to be quite interesting, although its pretty clear that Fredericus will win.
Hümmel doesn't have too many chances with a lot of opposition, Jobst will become Emperor by priviledge next term so unlikely to be voted, Hans was just chancellor and people tend to vote differently, leaving only Fredericus in the field who econ endorsed :grin:

Of course that is only my reasoning. Chances are I might well be wrong.

[TevashSzat]

Since the Swabian's secret forum isn't going that well, I'm trying to reinvigorate the Duchy of Swabia thread in the org and get more discussions going.

[Stig]

This race for chancellor seems to be quite interesting, although its pretty clear that Fredericus will win.
Hümmel doesn't have too many chances with a lot of opposition, Jobst will become Emperor by priviledge next term so unlikely to be voted, Hans was just chancellor and people tend to vote differently, leaving only Fredericus in the field who econ endorsed :grin:

Of course that is only my reasoning. Chances are I might well be wrong.

Well Hümmel would mostlikely have had Franconian support would Fredericus not run for chancellorship.
Sides the emperor said he would vote Fredericus, that's +10, you need an entire house to outvote that alone.

[Ignoramus]

Ulrich still has a good chance of winning. So far, the only House to express support for Fredericus is Franconia.

[Stig]

And some very influential people who said so in the Diet. Sides entire Franconia never expressed support ... they will mostlikely support him, but still.

[OverKnight]

It's going be close, most likely it will hinge on who actually shows up to vote.

Remember, vote early and vote often.

[econ21]

Thanks for maintaining a list of the Edicts, Overknight. :bow:

[Warluster]

I meant (If Henry is still on the throne) it could also be a battle of who henry's wants her to marry to and who Jobst's wants her too marry too, of course, as you've said, Emperor has final say.

[Stig]

I meant (If Henry is still on the throne) it could also be a battle of who henry's wants her to marry to and who Jobst's wants her too marry too, of course, as you've said, Emperor has final say.
It's Jobst daughter, would be very cruel would he have no say on it

[StoneCold]

So which of the steffen brothers got the runaway princess anyway?

[FactionHeir]

No idea. Possibly Lothar though. Markus and Lothar happened to be in the same stack when it happened. Guess we can be glad they didn't desert :grin:

[StoneCold]

ya, so how does that work? After a few more turns they will announce a marriage?

[McIwoo]

*runs away with his trousers on his ankles*

this was a princess?!!? Doh!

[Ignoramus]

All of Ulrich's supporters - make sure you vote.
All of Fredericus' voters - voting finishes in 10 mintues.

[Stig]

I'm happy as it is really. Both Ulrich and Fredericus are recieving the votes, and both of them are good for Franconia. It's just that it's treason to vote for someone from another house if you have one of your own house in the elections.

That would be like Bush voting for the Democrats

[Stig]

Econ, why did you vote against you're own edict?

What's the use in that?

[econ21]

Econ, why did you vote against you're own edict?

Senility.

[FactionHeir]

Ah yes, the Senile trait. Too bad you'd need to start a new campaign for a proper coding of it.

[McIwoo]

erm, is it possible to cancel my vote for the chancellor?

[Ignoramus]

I've just played M2TW with 1,2 for the first time. Oh, is it good!:2thumbsup:

[Stuperman]

Just an observation, but edict 10.4 says sack Moscow, but isn't Norvograd the capital?

[StoneCold]

McIwoo, just send a pm to econ of the correction you want to make in ur vote.

[econ21]

Just an observation, but edict 10.4 says sack Moscow, but isn't Norvograd the capital?

Yes, but Novogorad seemed too close to Thorn to make an epic quest.

McIwoo: no problem; PM me with any alteration.

[McIwoo]

thx for the help, I pm'ed econ21 with the change

[AussieGiant]

Senility.

Nice :laugh4:

[Stig]

Yes, but Novogorad seemed too close to Thorn to make an epic quest.

I suggest that once this crusade finished (as it will come, Henry voted in favour of it, try changing that) we will discuss the same again, afterall the Russian military center is in Bulgar, Sarkel and Caffa maybe. Moscow is a city. I would be interested to continue marching that army into Russia, hell I'd even turn South to Outremer, it's a route I use for Diplomats loads of times.

EDIT: btw my vote on 10.4 should be a yes as well. Afterall I want a combination of 10.1 and 10.4

[flyd]

Great, all the other houses used to be fractured in voting, and it took the sheer horror of the prospect of me being chancellor to unite them. :laugh4:

[Stuperman]

well, this is Igornamus' 2nd (or 3rd) go at chancellor (I think), I'm sure that everyone who wants a trun will get it.

[Kagemusha]

Great, all the other houses used to be fractured in voting, and it took the sheer horror of the prospect of me being chancellor to unite them. :laugh4:

Did you do any campaigning to get elected? Igno´s character has been for quite some time.:yes:

[TinCow]

With 17 of 19 votes cast, the numbers are close enough that it can still go either way (though Ignoramus is leading). econ21, is there any chance that you can tell us who GeneralHankerchief cast his vote for?

[McIwoo]

Is there a chance I can still set up my building queue??? I have completely forgotten about it :wall:

[Stig]

He said he supported Fredericus in the Diet.

Sides remember, you need 3 people to counter Henry's enormous influence.

[TinCow]

I've counted the votes. Assuming GeneralHankerchief votes for FLYdude, the totals are:

Ignoramus: 42
FLYdude: 38

With only one vote outstanding: Northnovas. If Northnovas votes for Ulrich, Hans, Jobst, or fails to vote, Ignoramus wins. If he votes for Fredericus von Hamburg, FLYdude wins. I think this is the closest election we've ever had.

[AussieGiant]

Hell this is exciting!! :)

[flyd]

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that Northnovas has logged in since the 14th.

[Stuperman]

Is there a chance I can still set up my building queue??? I have completely forgotten about it :wall:

Definately, I still have to post mine.

[FactionHeir]

Northnovas is away on vacation last I heard.

[AussieGiant]

Yes he is.

I guess he will miss the deadline.

[econ21]

Please can everyone check their influence in the play list. The election may be close and I don't want to declare Florida for Gore or something similar tomorrow morning.

[FactionHeir]

All look fine to me unless there are any other ex-chancellors alive.

[AussieGiant]

I'm good.

I'm one trait point from getting another influence point so that's just a bit frustrating :)

[FactionHeir]

There is one or two others who miss 1 point to get an additional +2 ;)

Btw, with Ignoramus low loyalty, if he ever ends turn outside a settlement, chances are he will turn rebel. So what do we do if the chancellor goes rebel (that is, if he doesn't reload in private to save himself humiliation)?

[AussieGiant]

There is one or two others who miss 1 point to get an additional +2 ;)

Btw, with Ignoramus low loyalty, if he ever ends turn outside a settlement, chances are he will turn rebel. So what do we do if the chancellor goes rebel (that is, if he doesn't reload in private to save himself humiliation)?

Well FH...the first thing is...I wish you would tell everyone that kind of stuff!! :)

If he does, then I hope he will not reload and we can role play it as it would be great stuff!!

[TinCow]

So what do we do if the chancellor goes rebel (that is, if he doesn't reload in private to save himself humiliation)?

Probably an emergency diet session and some interesting debate. I doubt it will happen though. Ironically, Fredericus von Hamburg had almost 0 loyalty for most of the game and he was never a problem.

[FactionHeir]

I've been thinking he might continue his term and wreak some havoc, letting stuff go rebel with him or so. When that happens, an e-session would be called.

I never knew FLYdude had 0 loyalty. Must have been before I joined.

[gibsonsg91921]

it says Péter is 1 influence even tho he's a Count.. do we just not care about count nemore since everyone is one?

[FactionHeir]

What's wrong with that? Count = +1. You have 1 Influence.
None of your atts are 6 or higher and they do not total 15 or higher.
And you are not chancellor, ex-chancellor or prince or outremer count

[TinCow]

I've been thinking he might continue his term and wreak some havoc, letting stuff go rebel with him or so. When that happens, an e-session would be called.

I never knew FLYdude had 0 loyalty. Must have been before I joined.

Just looked, it wasn't quite that low. 2 and 3 loyalty, but that was for a good 100 years!

[FactionHeir]

Must have camped out in a town for a long time :tongue2:

Loads of factors too though. Like rebel province nearby, leader authority and new leader crowned among others.

[gibsonsg91921]

o i thought everyone started with 1.. gotcha

[FactionHeir]

Well everyone does start with 1, but the Influence is the amount added onto that 1 point. So you basically have 1+1 = 2.

[TinCow]

Ok, I finally (Do I get +1 influence for my 10 ranks of Procrastination?) did some more work on the Library. The only thing that is left to do is updating the titles, which is also conveniently the only thing I can do from work. (See Procrastination; See also Slacking; Government Job; Your Tax Dollars Hard At Work.)

[Warluster]

Thanks for your work on the Library TC!


I always like to have a read through it.

[Stig]

I've been thinking, now that Outremer is nothing special anymore shouldn't we take away the influence from Crusader Counts, afterall they are nothing special, it's just a fifth house.

[econ21]

Voting results are up. In view of the relatively high number of vote changes, I think in future we should not allow people to change their votes. I don't think it happened this time, but if there is another such close election, I think last minute vote changing would leave a bad taste in the loser's mouth. In future, senility will have consequences. :whip:


I've been thinking, now that Outremer is nothing special anymore shouldn't we take away the influence from Crusader Counts, afterall they are nothing special, it's just a fifth house.

It's not a House - it cuts across Houses. (Houses should not be the only fault lines in the Diet - attitudes to the Pope and religion, chivalry vs dread, expansion vs consolidation and now attitutdes to Outremer are also potential divisions.)

You can propose a Charter Amendment to get rid of the +1 influence, but personally, I think it is good to reward people for doing work (bothering to set a build queue) and also it adds spice to the politics if there are patronage systems at work (every Diet the Emperor appoints King, King appoints Counts). The normal Counts are supposed to create patronage, but don't really work that well as they are effectively permanent and don't seem to be earned (avatars get them almost as soon as they spawn).

[Stig]

I think it is good to reward people for doing work
Yes but there are many others who do good work as well. Take the small crusade towards Moscow, Hans landing near Constantinople and Jobst constantly being in hostile territory.

[OverKnight]

It would make for a very interesting IC discussion if taken into the Diet. :2thumbsup:

[econ21]

Yes but there are many others who do good work as well. Take the small crusade towards Moscow, Hans landing near Constantinople and Jobst constantly being in hostile territory.

True, it's the patronage point rather than the reward one that I would emphasise OOC.

OOC we don't need to reward players for doing fun missions such as the ones you mention. They are their own reward and often players scramble for such assignments.


It would make for a very interesting IC discussion if taken into the Diet.

I agree. In character, I would have to rely on the reward point (the patronage one is the real reason but is OOC only).

[econ21]

Ignoramus: I forgot to mention in my PM - please use the consol to add money to the AI before ending each turn. See the FAQ for the command. I would give at least 10k to each faction each turn, unless the graph shows they already have 50k+.

[Stig]

Aye, it would make a good IC discussion, but if Ansehelm goes into Russia he can hardly be in the Diet, can he? And I don't like using messengers.

[FactionHeir]

Ignoramus:

Feel free to give them more to create a challenge. The 10k often gets used up very quickly. If they are currently below 10k at the end turn check, give them 20 or 30k, depending on whether we are at war with them or not. If they got more than 10k at end turn, give 10k.

Also, before you end each turn:
Finish everything you are doing.
Save game.
Load game.
Open the list view of settlements.
Select each settlement that is currently training/retraining.
Empty the queue and refill it.
Go on to the next settlement.
Continue until all queues have been emptied + refilled.
End turn.

Also, try not to retrain mercenary units before the sequence above. A bug exists that deplenishes merc units from the pool each time you put/remove them from the training queue, so if you don't do what I posted, you'll find that you cannot retrain the merc.

[Stig]

I've send my orders for Ansehelm to Igno, also for people wanting to join the attack on Russia (I believe McIwoo has interest) I wish Ansehelm to leave as soon as possible (seeing that the army he shall be taking can be under his command this very turn).

[OverKnight]

We had an OOC discussion where it was agreed that characters, even if a far distance away from Rome, could appear in the Diet. This was due to the Avatars in Outremer having to constantly use messengers and proxies in the Diet. It's a bit of stretch, but good for the game.

So feel free to keep talking in the Diet.

[econ21]

Also, before you end each turn:
Finish everything you are doing.
Save game.
Load game.
Open the list view of settlements.
Select each settlement that is currently training/retraining.
Empty the queue and refill it.
Go on to the next settlement.
Continue until all queues have been emptied + refilled.
End turn.

Factionheir: what is the point of emptying and refilling queues?

[Ignoramus]

I've receive everyone's messages, and shall probably have a look at the save tonight.

[Stig]

We had an OOC discussion where it was agreed that characters, even if a far distance away from Rome, could appear in the Diet. This was due to the Avatars in Outremer having to constantly use messengers and proxies in the Diet. It's a bit of stretch, but good for the game.

So feel free to keep talking in the Diet.
Yeah I know that, but I wish to keep Ansehelm away from the Diet so that he can come back in a year or 30 as a totally different man ... or dead.

[Ituralde]

What's with all the hate for Edict 10.2, TinCow? I thought you of all people must have figured out, that it's wording is not as harsh as its intention.
As long as you plug in a Religious building on the end of your build queue you're all set. Thought, I'd mention it now that everyone has posted his build queues.

On to another more important matter. I guess I'll be leaving Austria and take up arms for Franconia as Siegfried von Kastillien (surprise! surprise!).
I am not, however, entirely sure about this. Summer is approaching fast and I will probably travel around quite a lot, like I always do. On the other hand that means a lot of free time to play too.
After Summer though I'll make an extended trip to New Zealand and Australia and will be gone from September all the way to Christmas. Now with Siegfried I might just become the next Emperor, and it just wouldn't do to disappear suddenly.

I just wanted to post this upfront so that people are aware that I may not play all the way through with the character. I hope that's alright with everyone involved, I mean who know if we even continue playing that long. Just wanted to share this before I take up as Siegfried.

Oh and the Russian Crusade sounds like fun, Count me in, brother! :beam:

[Stig]

Righto, in that case Ansehelm'll be taking Siegfried along with me, seeing his stats he could do with some experience. (Where is he now btw?).

Within the rules another noble can come to Russia, but we really need the free knight slots for the 2 Teutons and dismounted knights.

[TinCow]

What's with all the hate for Edict 10.2, TinCow? I thought you of all people must have figured out, that it's wording is not as harsh as its intention.
As long as you plug in a Religious building on the end of your build queue you're all set. Thought, I'd mention it now that everyone has posted his build queues.

I have my reasons... http://absolutedreams.net/forums/smiley/ninja.gif

[Stig]

I have my reasons... http://absolutedreams.net/forums/smiley/ninja.gif

Sure, character development isn't it?

:bounce:

[econ21]

Good to see you back, Ituralde.


Within the rules another noble can come to Russia, but we really need the free knight slots for the 2 Teutons and dismounted knights.

I think you are set. We could overlook it, but two generals per stack is the rule. You might reach some arrangement with Ituralde so he gets to command some battles.

I know there was some in character discussion about the logistics of the expedition to Moscow, but the way I envisaged it is that you set off with a full stack and aggressively go after any Russian field armies in your path. You only make up losses from mercs and you head for Moscow taking a land route all the way. Then see how far you get.

Given how successful we have been against the AI, you may well make it there and back with no problems.

But if it looks hopeless, you pull back and/or Ignoramus sends a second army to rescue you (Gordon at Khartoum style). It might be good for the Chancellor to prepare reserves and a fleet for that contingency, but ideally you set off with just your stack and try to come back unaided after sacking Moscow. :sweatdrop: Good luck.

[FactionHeir]

econ:
That is to prevent the training bug from occurring. The one that spawns your troops at 0 xp.

[Stig]

but two generals per stack is the rule.
Oops my bad


You might reach some arrangement with Ituralde so he gets to command some battles.
Aye, but the problem is is that Ansehelm has the command in every battle due to his higher command.


I know there was some in character discussion about the logistics of the expedition to Moscow, but the way I envisaged it is that you set off with a full stack and aggressively go after any Russian field armies in your path. You only make up losses from mercs and you head for Moscow taking a land route all the way. Then see how far you get.
Yup I'm going for a full stack, and since Ansehelm has to wait for Siegfried there's some more time to form. I thought of taking the army commanded by Fritz, which can become Ansehelms this turn. Taking out the catapults, as they are too slow. That means something like:
Ansehelm and Siegfried
2 Teutons
4 Mounted Sergeants (I want to counter those fast horsemen, and these are the best for that)
3-4 Dismounted Knights
3 Archers (Pavise Crossbowmen would be nice)
filled with light infantry


But if it looks hopeless, you pull back and/or Ignoramus sends a second army to rescue you (Gordon at Khartoum style). It might be good for the Chancellor to prepare reserves and a fleet for that contingency, but ideally you set off with just your stack and try to come back unaided after sacking Moscow. Good luck.
Aye I've been thinking about that. It's a reason I want a spy to travel next to the army, so Ansehelm has a clear field of sight and can see all armies.
At some point it might be wise to split up (as long as there are enough mercs) and form two armies.

[FactionHeir]

Mt Sgt are worse than mailed knights actually. They aren't any faster.
Problem of course is the knight limit you got running.
I'd probably drop the dismounted feudals for armoured sergeants since your GBs are good in melee and pick up mailed instead of Mt Sgt.

In the meantime, getting Thorn to produce 2handers will help as those do not count as knights.

[StoneCold]

Stig, regarding the command, you can drop Ansehelm off the stack just before engaging the enemy and use him as reinforcement, then Siegfried can command the battle, problem solved. :D

[TevashSzat]

Bah!, it looks like that my conquest of France is gonna have to wait another chancellorship. I can still go conquer another French settlement, but I will have to abandon it and let it revolt right??

[FactionHeir]

Guess so...
Almost have to wish econ's avatar died last turn as gibson had it in his game eh :grin:

[Stig]

In the meantime, getting Thorn to produce 2handers will help as those do not count as knights.
Yeah, but that takes to long, I don't know where Siegfried is, but I want to station the army just west of Thorn (otherside of the river) untill Siegfrieds arrives. When he's there it's off to Russia.


Mt Sgt are worse than mailed knights actually. They aren't any faster.
mmmm I thought they had the same trait as Border Horses, but still as you said, we have the Knight limit. I can bring 8, and we already have Ansehelm and Siegfried, plus 2 units of Teutons. I would like some elite infantry to easely counter the Russian Lights. Ofcourse Armoured Sergeants are more than capable, but Dismounted Sergeants hardly get damage.

It just took a look at the game and for my ideal army 11 more units need to be recruited (as we can't weaken the FHA as well). But Breslau and Thorn together should be able to do that in 2 turns.

[TinCow]

Guess so...
Almost have to wish econ's avatar died last turn as gibson had it in his game eh :grin:

LOL, in my game he died several turns ago. Repeatedly. In fact, any time I clicked next turn on any save, he promptly keeled over. Lothar probably wouldn't have been so offensive if he had known the old geezer was going to hang on for this long. :wall:

[Stig]

Every time I want to get him killed I have to send him on his own against some Egyptians or Turks, he doesn't die.


btw Deathfire you can't set queue for Paris, it's an Imperial province afaik, Econ even said a building queue for it

[Stuperman]

Interesting election results, although not entirely un-expected. I'm a bit disapointed that the big russian crusade diidn't go though, only because I've got a bone to pick with the Russians IC.

Congrats Ignoramus!

on a slightly sad side note when I turned my computer on last night, there was loud pup and then nothing. Which kinda kicks my all to re-build it (I've had a C2D E4300, Gigabyte mobo, 2 gigs of Corsair PC2-5400, and a X1900XTX (:yes: ) sitting in my room since tuesday. so I'm outa commission for like 24-48 hours, I got most of the parts put together last night, but then it was 1:30 and I needed sleep. Hopefully I'll get everything re-installed tonight.

[Stig]

We can still attack the Russian cities on the way back, afterall by then we'll have had a new Diet.


btw aren't the Timurids spawning in Russia sometime?

[gibsonsg91921]

hey stiggy who else from franconia is crusading?

[Stig]

Ituralde = Siegfried

[Ituralde]

I guess, that's a yes from everybody considering my future absence.

Time to jump in then. And don't worry about the commanding bit. I must say that I began to loathe Battle Reports for some reason at the end of Leopold's life. It just go tedious.
But then again, fighting no battle at all, would be boring too... :juggle2:

We'll find some solution!

[TinCow]

Other than the basic results, battle reports are totally optional. I only write them when they fit in with my character development. I skipped a few with Max that were pointless for RP.

[Northnovas]

Wow, I left at 183 and back in 483 in the OOC. Looks like a missed a good election. Good job to FH for his Chancellor Reports. Congrats to Ignoramus. Will submit a building queue when I look at the last save.

[Stig]

Yup same here, I did 4 battles and only 1 got a report (well 2 were very small), but some of the battles in Russia will seriously need some reports I think.

Sides I think I'll write some stories about this, afterall now my exams are more or less over. The only problem I might be getting is that I will be at my parents for most of July, so no way to fight those battles, but Ituralde can do those.

[Ignoramus]

Who wants to fight the first battle? I have several lined up already.

Prince Jobst
Frederich Scherer
Fritz von Kastillien
Peter von Kastillien

Ulrich will be very unpredictable as Chancellor.

[FactionHeir]

I think Fritz isn't knighted, so that's an autoresolve.

[Warluster]

I will fight my battle Ignoramus.

Cancel that, I have some problems with ym M2TW, won't be able to fix it until tomorrow.

[Ignoramus]

FactionHeir: Really? That is worrying.

Warluster: That's a shame Warluster. I hope you have success fixing MTW2.

[Stig]

Where's the save?

And Igno, why didn't you do as I asked? That would mean no battle, on our side, and would the Poles counterattack they would atleast attack a general.

Fritz currently has Ansehelms crusade army, would that be destroyed Ansehelm will be very pissed with this new chancellor.

[econ21]

Who wants to fight the first battle? I have several lined up already.

It might be an idea to just link to a save, post instructions to the relevant players about who to attack and set a deadline for the group (48 hours minimum). The individual players can download and fight battles at their convenience and then upload fresh saves for the next player.

That's the system we have informally moved towards and it seems to work well in minimising the potential delays with multi-battle turns. We can complete a turn in two days that might have taken eight or more if we used the old PM system.

If players can't fight their battles in time, it also means you have discretion over whether to use an autoresolve - often the battle can just wait a turn.

[Ignoramus]

I had no idea who was knighted and who wasn't. We really need a list.

Ansehelm shouldn't worry about not having a large army, I guarentee it.

I'll upload the save now.

Jobst will attack the French ex-Crusader army(right next to him).
Peter will attack the Polish army right next to him.
Frederich will attack the French army right next to him.

Good luck with your battles. And without meaning to be rude, get on with it! I'm not impatient, but if we wish to move at any considerable pace at all we'll need to be very efficient.

[econ21]

I had no idea who was knighted and who wasn't. We really need a list.

Whether a general is knighted or not has been listed on the playlist since turn 1:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1383081&postcount=1

[Warluster]

I've been lookign for that darn play list everywhere!

I am mildly intrested, but what happened to Lucjan? I can't remember if he became in-active or not.

[econ21]

I've been lookign for that darn play list everywhere!

Oops. I'll put a link to it at the start of the FAQ (first post of each OOC thread) as it is very useful.


I am mildly intrested, but what happened to Lucjan? I can't remember if he became in-active or not.

Lucjan withdrew from the PBM shortly after an in-character argument with Heinrich (GH) that ended in his avatar (Dietrich von Saxony) spending some time building watchtowers. Kagemusha later took over Dietrich.

[Warluster]

Okey.

Just a idea, but does anyone reckon we should make a thread, where it s a store of the avatars biogrpahies.

Sort of like the Library, but a new thread as it'd be massive, where each Person (e.g us) posts a post with their avatars name, then over time, when things happen, they edit the posts so there is a collection of biographies? What do you think?

[Stig]

I'm still in contact with Lucjan, due to the game Aevum Obscurum which we both play, and he seems to have given up the Org.


Sort of like the Library, but a new thread as it'd be massive, where each Person (e.g us) posts a post with their avatars name, then over time, when things happen, they edit the posts so there is a collection of biographies? What do you think?
Like my biography of Ansehelm? But in one collected thread?

Not everyone has the time.

[StoneCold]

I think Lucjan also have other commitments in real life that is starting to take up more of his time leading to his decision to withdraw from the PBM.

[Stig]

Igno, I urge you to make sure Ansehelm can leave as soon as possible. Already that army that was supposed to go to Russia has heavy damage by attacking those Poles, it will take atleast 2 more turns. WE DON'T HAVE THAT TIME. I don't mind how many Russian armies I have to fight, but the longer you wait the harder it shall become to leave at all. There's already another Russian army coming.
I know the Chancellor can do as he likes but he can atleast listen to the characters, afterall if someone doesn't want to move to a position he doesn't.

If Ansehelm doesn't leave before 1250 you won't like him coming back in the Diet ~D

[FactionHeir]

He has to beat my record of getting that crusade from Ragusa to Damascus in 3 turns :grin: