KotR King of the Romans OOC thread VIII [Archive] - Page 3

flyd

07-17-2007, 01:09

Battle Queue for 1250

The following battles may be fought in the year 1250. Each battle in the list contains a directive for the Chancellor (in a spoiler). Some players may be allowed to make multiple actions while they hold the save. Any battle not fought within 24 hours may be delayed by a turn. Players may decline to fight battles, but please note such decisions publicly. Note that I'm not planning to take possession of the save back until the next turn.

Initial Save (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1250.zip)

Battles are listed randomly below. First come, first serve. Note that you have the save while fighting the battle, upload the new one afterwards... you know the drill.

Lothar Steffen.

Lothar Steffen,

You are authorized to initiate the assault on Ajaccio at your discretion.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Gunther von Kastilien (and Peter and Ansehelm).

Gunther von Kastilien,

The situation around Thorn looks bleak. The besieging Polish army is roughly the size of the Thorn garrison. The bigger problem is the large Russian army which is now in range to attack Thorn. You may sally at any time against the Poles. Some reinforcements are inbound, but none will reach you until next turn, and even then, it may be difficult getting them to you, with enemy armies guarding some of the approaches to Thorn. Thorn itself is, and will continue, to produce troops at maximum capacity. You are, due to the difficult circumstances, authorized to abandon Thorn after a sally. You may choose to remain in Thorn, but if the Russian army bypasses is, there is little else to stop it. You may delegate any battles to either of your sons. Good luck.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Arnold.

Arnold,

You are authorized to initiate the assault on Budapest at your discretion.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Karl Zirn.

Karl Zirn,

I understand you have encountered a moderately-sized Turkish army on your way to Iconium. Destroy it, and proceed to Iconium. Assault Iconium immediately if you are able. If not, advance as far as possible towards Iconium after your battle.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Jobst.

Emperor Jobst,

A moderately sized Danish army has been spotted just north of your current position. Destroy it if you are able.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Matthias Steffen

Matthias Steffen,

There has been a small change of plans. You will be taking the sea route to the holy land. You are to board Admiral Nikolaus' fleet which is on the shore of the Tyrrhenian Sea. However, a small rebel army stands in your way. Destroy it, and immediately proceed to the fleet. If you reach the fleet, you may commandeer the fleet to take it southeast along the shore as far as possible.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Non-battle directives:

Conrad Salier

Conrad Salier,

You have tactical command of the troops within the County of Edessa. The first of the Mongol armies may be reaching Edessa soon, although I do not believe they can advance past it. I believe the current disposition is the best way to hold while they make their next move.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

OOC: you can take the save and move stuff around in Edessa if you don't like how I positioned us for the Mongols.

End-of-turn Directive (OOC, for the co-Chancellor)

Although defensive battles don't seem too likely this turn, please end the turn as soon as all the above battles have either been fought or declined.

OverKnight

07-17-2007, 01:36

I have the save and will fight my battle and move.

OverKnight

07-17-2007, 02:02

The Battle is fought and won, and I moved Matthias and his men onto Admiral Nick's fleet.

Here's the link:

2nd Edit: See below for latest save.

I will post a battle report and casualties later on tonight.

Good to get out in the field again, though I do miss having 10 command.

Next! :laugh4:

Edit: I boarded the fleet but forgot to move it. I'll take care of that now. Done, see below

Dutch_guy

07-17-2007, 02:06

I'll be fighting my battle sometime tomorrow. Just a quick heads-up.

:balloon2:

OverKnight

07-17-2007, 02:15

Northnovas

07-17-2007, 02:29

The latest save, with new and improved fleet movement!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1250-2.zip

Go on from this one, I'm going to edit my last past.

I'll have to learn to read instructions more carefully.

Well from Flydude's PM I will pick up this save and go for Karl's first battle. Just got home and have some time to do it.

OverKnight

07-17-2007, 02:41

Casualties from my fight.

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb88/douglaslain/southofflorence/hresults.jpg

Good luck Northnovas. :2thumbsup:

flyd

07-17-2007, 02:42

Oh, yes, I forgot. Please post the results screenshot, or tell me what the numbers were.

GeneralHankerchief

07-17-2007, 02:45

I'm cool with the Edessa set-up.

Northnovas

07-17-2007, 03:41

Done,

Looked like it would be big but ended quickly. Here is the save,

http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/M2TW_Uploads/MP_replays/1250-3.zip

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa55/northnovas/Karl%20Battles/1250end.jpg

Sorry in the excitment I forgot the statistics part. First contact they retreated second was battle and was able to reach the city and under seige. I would like to beseige it for a few turns. Picked up nice traits in the two contacts. Neither of the Body Guard units got into the match so nothing for Wolfgang yet.

Ituralde

07-17-2007, 10:11

TinCow

07-17-2007, 12:02

I will fight my battle after work, about 12 hours from now.

Stig

07-17-2007, 13:53

I'll be fighting my battle sometime tomorrow. Just a quick heads-up.

:balloon2:
I would prefer to have the Poles attack us ... that's what I prepared Thorn for in the last 2 fights. They can be massacred in the streets of Thorn.

Sides how on earth does Gunther lead this attack Ansehelm and Peter both have double his command afaik.

TevashSzat

07-17-2007, 14:45

Sorry for being really inactive right now, but summer is a really busy time for me. I will probably be able to fight all of the battles but wont participate much other than that. I'll probably have more time by mid August and will be ack to my normal participation amount by school time in September I hope. This being said, if I neglect to post or do anything for an extended period of time assume that Elberhard or econ21 will be my steward for now.

gibsonsg91921

07-17-2007, 14:47

lol ull have MORE time in school? wow

Privateerkev

07-17-2007, 14:59

lol ull have MORE time in school? wow

Thats my situation as well. For me, summer is even busier because I have to work fulltime on top of my school stuff. I might not have actual classes to go to, but when your a grad student, the summer is the time to work on all of the extra stuff you have due outside of your normal class load. Plus my University thought it would be smart to put us all on 10 hour shifts 4 days a week so I'm exhausted at night. In case there is confusion, I work for the school I go to. Now I have no idea if these are Deathfire's reasons but I can certainly sympathise with the sentiment.

AussieGiant

07-17-2007, 15:16

AussieGiant, could you let me know, when you want to assault Budapest so I can work it out. If it were up to me, I'd starve those bastards to death, although that might presumably take forever. I just know, that taking Budapest the first time, when it was well-defended was a nightmare and this time the walls have gotten even bigger. I just hate attacking cities. It always gets crowded and messed up. At least for me. :shame:

Maate Ituralde :laugh4: their rebels against the House.

Leopold would have their guts for garters!!

I don't want to wait them out entirely. Build as much siege equipment as possible, once that is done then storm the bloody thing :2thumbsup:

Sigismund has to get his spurs on this one so stick him in it :whip:

I guess that means we will wait a few turns to build the siege gear.

You can deal with FLYdude directly on the timing. I PM'd you both.

Cheers
AG

econ21

07-17-2007, 15:54

I would prefer to have the Poles attack us ... that's what I prepared Thorn for in the last 2 fights. They can be massacred in the streets of Thorn.

Sides how on earth does Gunther lead this attack Ansehelm and Peter both have double his command afaik.

This is a difficult one. It seems that we might have to sort out the issue of who is in command in armies with multiple generals through OOC Charter Amendments in the next Diet. For now, I think we should let the Duke pull rank - presumably the force in Thorn is the FHA and the Duke leads the FHA?

[1]I am considering proposing the following:

OOC Charter Amendment:
(a) Where there are multiple player controlled generals in a stack, then the player who plays out the battle is determined by who the computer designates is in command.
(b) An exception is that Household Armies (and the Army of Outremer) are always commanded by the designated Commander of said army.
(c) The commanding general may allow another player to fight a battle by mutual consent for OOC reasons.

I think that formalises current practice.

Stig

07-17-2007, 16:05

Dutch_guy

07-17-2007, 16:17

Yup that's good.

BTW I say again please don't fight the battle. The Poles can be utterly destroyed in a siege, sides a siege gives us an extra turn compared to the Russians.
We might win this sally out, but what will be left? (I can make this an IC discussion, but I've said many times (in IC) that I want to let the Poles siege. In the Franconian Duchy Thread, in the Diet and in PMs to the Kaiser).

Okay, I shall let them attack and then destroy them in the streets. Seems fine with me, as does the Charter Amendment Econ proposed.

I'll await the eventual assault.

That said, shouldn't Ansehelm be supervising his starting crusade in Magdenburg? Didn't quite realise we had three avatars bunched in Thorn.

:balloon2:

AussieGiant

07-17-2007, 16:37

By the way well done Northnovas.

Good to see you got your first battle out of the way eventually.

Happy sieging :balloon2:

FactionHeir

07-17-2007, 16:46

Siege defense is pure cheese :grin:

Will we be having a vote on that CA or will it just quickly and silently be added to the rules? I doubt anyone opposes it.

econ21

07-17-2007, 16:57

Will we be having a vote on that CA or will it just quickly and silently be added to the rules? I doubt anyone opposes it.

Unless someone shouts out, I may just add it. I started with a much more complex CA and then realised that some simple codifying of what we are already doing was adequate.

AussieGiant

07-17-2007, 17:46

simple is best Econ.

I think it works well.

I just have to make sure Sigismund von Mahren get his spurs and an army soon.

I'm sure Iturlade is going to make the storming of Budapest a blood bath.

gibsonsg91921

07-17-2007, 17:50

sure that CA works well enough

we need to seriously beef up thorn however. from somewhere, anywhere.

Ituralde

07-17-2007, 18:03

After looking at the save, I will wait with the attack on Budapest until next turn. I want to have at least 3 rams and 4 towers, before I attack the city. Could the next guy that picks up the save just add enough siege equipment to the build list? Didn't want to go to the hazzle of uploading a new save just for that little change.

Thanks in advance!

Ituralde

AussieGiant

07-17-2007, 18:07

Stig

07-17-2007, 18:23

That said, shouldn't Ansehelm be supervising his starting crusade in Magdenburg? Didn't quite realise we had three avatars bunched in Thorn.

I can't move Ansehelm out.
That's why in the last 2 fights I planned to destroy the Poles in the streets, I asked Warluster for 3 possible reinforcement armies. Once they arrive (by the time the Russians siege) we should be able to completely destroy the enemy and move out of Thorn with some avatars.

Stuperman

07-17-2007, 19:48

Just FYI all, I will be unavaiable from thursday 5pm NA (toronto) time till the following Monday Morning, I'm going to WEMF (http://www.wemf.com/)

GEES, I'm excited.

flyd

07-17-2007, 23:00

I'll wait for TinCow to do his battle before advancing the turn. Jobst, Arnold, von Kastilien battles to be skipped. Siege equipment to be added to Budapest.

TinCow

07-18-2007, 00:45

Fighting now.

AussieGiant

07-18-2007, 11:15

Hi All,

I just got back to Switzerland and had a look at the save for the first time in over a month...interesting...veerry interesting.

Seems to be a lot going on right now hey :)

OverKnight

07-18-2007, 11:26

If you want to look at a particularly interesting save, load up the first one from 1142 or 1144. You'll see about half the Empire on fire and the short lived Duchy of Scotland.

Ignoramus

07-18-2007, 11:40

Why you sold it for 2,800 florins I will never know, but at least it did consume 30,000 excess florins.

What we really need is all but one of our avatars to have no loyalty and revolt(in game of course, that is out of or control).

econ21

07-18-2007, 14:02

In the absence of other information, I assumed that 1250-4 was the final save of that year and so ended the turn after some tidying up. Looking at the finances of other factions, most are rolling in money so I let them be. France, Byzantium, Turkey, Egypt and Portugal were bankrupt or nearly so, so I gave them 50k or thereabouts.

In terms of end of turn events:

(1) Fritz von Kastilien was attacked by Russkies, so I retreated. Then he was attacked by Poles and won! (the autoresolve so under-values Polish nobles). He's an NPC, but I think he should be knighted for that victory.

(2) The Egyptian Sultan is besieging Damascus. The Egyptians tried to besiege Jerusalem but the Papacy chased them away.

(3) The Mongols are on the doors of Edessa. The Danes are marching on Hamburg. A French army is loitering near our borders north of Paris.

(4) We built the world's first huge Cathedral, raising our Papal relations to perfect. We can crusade, but only French and Spanish cities are possible targets.

(5) I accepted a master swordsmith for Ajacco (although maybe we want to convert that settlement to a city?).

(6) I built a small church on Ajacco - Catholicism is really low there, thanks to the witch. I upgaded Prague's walls - two more cities needed upgrades, but they are bigger ones at 9600 each. I spent all our remaining money recruiting free upkeep militia in cities; there are one or two left below strength.

(7) First time I ended the turn (I had to redo it as I forgot to give the AI cash), we were offered a suitor for Hedewig von Saxony. I turned him down as we have enough Franconians. But now I think about it, it might be best to accept such future offers - I think we may have to satisfy the Franconians before the computer moves on to the Austrians or whoever.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252-1.zip

If FLYdude has played on past 1250-4, he can ignore the above.

Stig

07-18-2007, 14:05

What about Thorn? Still under siege and are the reinforcements still too far away?
Don't have MTW2 here, so

FactionHeir

07-18-2007, 14:43

The only other crusade targets that we could possibly get are Moorish towns on Iberia, Caesarea and Iconium. And any excommed catholics or muslim-owned initial catholic settlement.

Whats actually our stance on crusading against excommed catholics?

StoneCold

07-18-2007, 15:05

FH, there are no longer any moorish towns on Iberia, the spanish has taken over all of them. Call one on Iconium? You guys are already beseiging it right?

Btw, is Sofia given over to the ERE yet?

StoneCold

07-18-2007, 15:13

Reviewing the map of the library, looks like the muslim factions are doing quite badly, the Turks are going to be down to 3 cities when Iconium is taken, I am assuming the Mongols have sack Mosul already, and the Moors only have 2 cities. Eqypt has the most cities at 5. Just saying the sorry state of the muslims factions, not that there is any way of helping them IC.

OverKnight

07-18-2007, 15:21

Sofia belongs to the ERE now.

As for Crusades, let's keep our options open. If the Mongols take one of our cities in Outremer for instance, we could call one to reclaim it.

gibsonsg91921

07-18-2007, 15:44

u should have married hedgewis, shes dietrichs only living relative

TinCow

07-18-2007, 15:55

McIwoo, please accept my sincere apologies for getting you killed. The battle really was as close to defeat as I wrote it up and I had to commit every last man to prevent a chain rout. I actually expected Lothar to die at any moment, since I think he has negtive health traits and he had been in combat longer by that point. It was pretty desperate, plus I was only a hair away from the timer starting the defeat countdown clock.

Again, please accept my apologies.

econ21

07-18-2007, 16:05

u should have married hedgewis, shes dietrichs only living relative

We never got the chance - that was only in an aborted save.

gibsonsg91921

07-18-2007, 16:12

o gotcha

idthink McIwoo is even around anymore...

GeneralHankerchief

07-18-2007, 16:13

Meanwhile, Ulrich Hummel still lives. :laugh4:

AussieGiant

07-18-2007, 16:20

Damn TC, that was a hell of a write up.

I'm really concerned about Budapest now.

TevashSzat

07-18-2007, 16:28

While you guys are talking about marriage, isn't it funny that Friederich Scherer still hasn't gotten married yet. You'd think a duke would want a kid as his successor or something...

econ21

07-18-2007, 16:33

Damn TC, that was a hell of a write up.

I agree - I've just finished reading it. Well done. :bow:

McIwoo: you have free choice of any spare avatars. There is only Jens Hummel and some Franconians, though.

Meanwhile, Ulrich Hummel still lives.

I am sure he still lives in our hearts. But in the savegame, he died in battle in 1248.

TinCow

07-18-2007, 16:34

Well, with the rate that avatars are dropping lately, we should be entering a new round of marriages/births.

AussieGiant

07-18-2007, 16:34

That's exactly why I want to get married Xdeathfire.

I've ask Warluster about his daughter but he wont commit :inquisitive:

The Hungarian's have come to the Budapest love fest again. I hope those Zweihanders and Gothic Knights are coming to reinforce me? Is that correct?

Ragusa seems to have fallen off the radar a little. I would like it to be upgraded and be producing troops consistently for Austria.

gibsonsg91921

07-18-2007, 17:03

haha soon stiggy and i are gonna be the uppaclassmen in franconia! woot w00t.

i wanna marry lyse von salza tho! lol battle royale!

OverKnight

07-18-2007, 17:11

Great write up TC! I'm kind of getting a MacBeth vibe.

There's a small chance :wink: I might post something IC, but that'll have to wait for sleep.

Edit: Just remember AG and gibson, that baaaaddd things can happen once you marry into royalty.

gibsonsg91921

07-18-2007, 17:18

does eh? what about good things? please let there be good things!

GeneralHankerchief

07-18-2007, 17:20

Pshaw, everything ended up going okay for Otto when it came down to it.

gibsonsg91921

07-18-2007, 17:22

and dietrich

maybe just me and AG should fight it out via multiplayer, unless someone else is interested..

FactionHeir

07-18-2007, 17:28

gibsonsg91921

07-18-2007, 17:30

dang some of those gothic knights should head to thorn... lol

StoneCold

07-18-2007, 17:39

Good write up TC.

AussieGiant

07-18-2007, 17:51

AG: You are getting the bulk of the Sofia garrison and some of Hans' veterans too. They are about 2 turns away from you. You already have some other veteran units from Hans' army (DFK and Sergeants) from during Ignoramus' chancellorship.

I'm stuck with a few green units through Byz territory. Fun! :inquisitive: Someone must hate me :grin:

Cheers FH, although I would not have gone wandering around with my trousers that far down :beam:

Thanks for the troops.

Shiet, I just realised I can fight my battle!!

LOL I was used to Ituralde doing it that it was just automatic.

Silly questions fella's but...what do you guy's clean your monitors with? Mine needs a clean. It's nearly perfect but someone touched it while I was away and I have two smudge marks.

FactionHeir

07-18-2007, 17:55

Beware of nearby Hungarians and Poles. They are allied so they can attack you together.

Stuperman

07-18-2007, 18:45

Hey McIwoo, that sucks that your character got killed, hope that there's enough room for you to stay in Bavaria.

I'm not sure How Gerhard should react to Markus' death, and it complicates the politics of handing over command of the BHA. I'm thinking flying off the handle and sacking/burning/slaughtering the populus of Caralis to end the Milanese....

Can I issue BHA orders OOC?

and Has Gerhard's daughter married yet?

Dutch_guy

07-18-2007, 22:13

I'd just like to state that I will be leaving the country for a week as of friday the 20th - most probably without access to a computer.

Because of this I'm assigning Stig the title of Steward, meaning he's the stand-in Duke in my absence, and is the one to turn to for matters of the house and for other important things - think battles and the like. The chancellor should turn to him coming week, and should also make sure I do not end up in charge of a battle.

Some sort of 'official' statement will be made in both the Franconian assembly, as in the Diet.

PS: just realised being caged in Thorn doesn't make things easier for my character, but oh well...

:balloon2:

flyd

07-19-2007, 02:02

Battle Queue for 1252.

Initial save: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252bq.zip

Battles for 1252:

Peter and Ansehelm von Kastilien

Peter and Ansehelm von Kastilien,

I believe the time has come to sally against the Poles. Fritz von Kastilien has defeated a Polish army, and arrived near Thorn with reinforcements. The large Russian army has passed Thorn, and moves westward. It must be stopped. Break out of Thorn immediately. Do what you can with the Russian army. You will probably not be able to engage it directly yet, but make any preparations necessary (try to goad it into attacking you at the bridge?). Peter is the senior commander in Thorn (OOC: AI-chosen stack leader). Good luck.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Arnold

Arnold,

I believe the time has come to assault Budapest. A sizable Hungarian army approaches from the southeast, and could interrupt the siege. You have plenty of siege equipment and it's just a city. Get on it.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Karl Zirn

Karl Zirn,

I believe the time has come to assault Iconium. Two large Turkish armies are assembling behind you, near Caesarea. You may come under attack from the rear, or the relatively defenseless Adana may be threatened. You have plenty of artillery and it's just a city. Get on it.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Jonas von Mahren

Jonas von Mahren,

A small Polish army is besieging Stettin. This is inconvenient. Take care of it.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Conrad Salier

Conrad Salier,

The Egyptian Sultan and his exceedingly small army has abandoned the siege of Aleppo and retreated a short distance south. You may destroy him if you wish.

Chancellor von Hamburg

TinCow

07-19-2007, 02:29

Nice to see a Chancellor cracking the whip on game progress once again. Good work, FLYdude.

StoneCold

07-19-2007, 02:33

Ya.

Btw, Flydude, are you going to put this up in the Chancellor's report thread? Sounds like a good way for you to outline your reign while still IC? Might be difficult for outsider to follow the story of the empire if this stays in the OOC thread. Just a suggestion.

flyd

07-19-2007, 02:44

I decided to put it here because this is merely a compilation of what should, traditionally, be a series of private messages. Such a compilation strikes me as being OOC in nature. I have put up a short report (in prose form, of course, as is traditional).

Of course, they're not exactly traditional. That would be more like:

Lothar Steffen,

Your army is unchanged from last time, and is 300 men strong. You face five full-stack Maced... err, Milanese armies coming down some pass. Good luck.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Northnovas

07-19-2007, 02:56

Seige of Iconium

Picking up the save and will get at the battle now.

Here is the latest save.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252-2bq.zip
From post #594 update.

It was close average victory but Wolfgang has his spurs. However, the write up won't come close to the island story by TC. Nice work!

The victory screen did not save I had 50% casualty rate of the initial 1015, the Turks went from 815 to 15 and the few prisoners were released with their general killed in battle. The city was occupied. None of those screen shots saved properly.

Ituralde

07-19-2007, 09:24

Just checking back, whether I'll have to fight AussieGiants battle. Sounded like he can have a go now. Good luck in your first battle. I hate sieges! :2thumbsup:

Stig

07-19-2007, 10:52

I will download the save in an hour or so.
I'll have a look at the state Franconia is in, and most importantly what's happening to the Crusade Army.

I take it Thorn is still under siege?
I can fight the battle, but Peter will normally have to fight it.

AussieGiant

07-19-2007, 10:56

Just checking back, whether I'll have to fight AussieGiants battle. Sounded like he can have a go now. Good luck in your first battle. I hate sieges! :2thumbsup:

Hi Ituralde,

I'm actually back so I will fight this tonight when I get home!!!

I'M EXCITED!!!

P.S. That will be around 19:00 this evening GMT +1.

Stig

07-19-2007, 11:06

I'm wondering about any battle near and in Thorn.
The battles are fought using:
Peter has best commander, but also using the Household Army, commanded by Gunther. Who has made Ansehelm Steward, and with that temporary commander of the FHA.

So who's commanding? Econ made a nice OOC Edict, but this is still confusing imo.

FactionHeir

07-19-2007, 11:22

Considering Ansehelm only takes over command of the FHA once DG goes on vacation, any battles in the meantime are either fought by DG or gibson.
In the case of a sally, gibson would fight the battle as he has the highest command and the garrison is more than just the FHA.

econ21

07-19-2007, 11:33

EDIT: I've had a change of mind, see post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1613909&postcount=581

Irrelevant old opinion in spoilers.

I'm wondering about any battle near and in Thorn.
...So who's commanding?

I agree with Factionheir - let's let Gibson take this one. He seemed keen a few days ago:

I hope we get a Chancellor who can get the game going again... I want to fight battles! Battles within my skill level, at least.

People should bear in mind that FLYdude is working to a tight 24 hour turn around, so if they do want to fight, they should keep to that.

When we finally get the "crusade" on Moscow going, I think it would be best to for that to be seen as an Imperial Army, with the FHA staying behind to fend off the Poles and other eastern threats. That means a commander other than Stig (who will be on the Moscow crusade) should be found for the FHA. As steward, Stig can make that appointment when the time comes.

Stig

07-19-2007, 11:49

I just fought it as I want to see how difficult it was, and I can say it's easy.
A suggestion to Gibson, move Peter directly west of Thorn (he can be west of Thorn and west of the Poles iirc). Then he will attack the Poles from behind as reinforcements. (I accidentely made them AI controlled and they more or less massacred the Polish Nobles).

And FLYdude might work to a tight schedule, but this battle needs to be fought, so even if it isn't fought in time, give Gibson the time for it anyway.

Also I would like to pick up the save afterwards to see to the Crusade army, which is now all over the place. I doubt FLYdude even knows what I meant to be the crusade army. And I would like to have a look at Thorn, where Ansehelm is still count of.

econ21

07-19-2007, 12:15

Oh dear - there seems to have been a confusion over the savegames.

I posted this start of 1252 game:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252-1.zip

here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1612747&postcount=539

Then FLYdude posted this one:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252bq.zip

here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1613540&postcount=567

Inspecting the saves, it is clear that FLYdude did not work from my save - for example, most cities don't have their quota of free militia. That's fair enough, he is the Chancellor. Unfortunately, Northnovas seems to have worked from my save and not FLYdude's. His post-Iconium save game:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252-2.zip

clearly follows on from mine and not FLYdude's.

Unfortunately, Northnovas, I am afraid you will have to fight the battle again using FLYdude's save.

To avoid a repeat of this confusion, I am not going to touch saves unless given specific instructions by FLYdude. The Co-Chancellor role can be just in case Fredericus drops dead.

Ignoramus

07-19-2007, 12:26

econ21

07-19-2007, 12:30

Stig revisiting the issue of who commands the sally from Thorn, if we stick by the rules of that OOC amendment discussed yesterday, it is Duke Gunther (Dutch_guy) until 20th July; then Steward Anselhelm (Stig) from 20th July. The army in Thorn is the FHA and Dutch_guy leads that until he goes on holiday tomorrow. Today, when he is not on holiday, he can still delegate the battle to you or Gibson, but by rights, it is his to fight personally.

So Dutch_guy should post here whether he intends to fight the battle and if not, whether he delegates it to Stig or Gibson.

The issue of who has higher command stars would only come up if the army at Thorn was not the FHA.

Northnovas

07-19-2007, 12:36

Inspecting the saves, it is clear that FLYdude did not work from my save - for example, most cities don't have their quota of free militia. That's fair enough, he is the Chancellor. Unfortunately, Northnovas seems to have worked from my save and not FLYdude's. His post-Iconium save game:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252-2.zip

clearly follows on from mine and not FLYdude's.

Unfortunately, Northnovas, I am afraid you will have to fight the battle again using FLYdude's save.

Just to conform this I had the 1252bq downloaded. Maybe I did not unzip and just saw the 1252 in the saves. You want me to play again with the bq save?

econ21

07-19-2007, 12:47

You want me to play again with the bq save?

Yes, I am sorry, but I don't see any other way. I did wonder about trying to work with your save to get it close to the bq one, but the differences are too great.

I realise you have written a good battle report - may be we can just let that stand as the official record and not worry that the save will reflect a slightly different battle outcome (medieval military history was never terribly accurate).

Northnovas

07-19-2007, 12:49

I will actually redo it very shortly so as not to delay anyone else.

Stig

07-19-2007, 12:57

I don't like this "playing out just to see how difficult things are". The whole point of PBM's is to be suprised by the AI. With all the enormous advantages we have over them anyway, this is a bit unfair.
Hey, can't I have some fun. I hardly ever fight battles this big. Hell I fight some other battles as well. Like formating an army in the Outremer and attack the Mongols, I never get that far in my own campaigns.

And DG PM'ed me telling to let either me or Gibson fight the battle ... I think ... waiting for his answer really to see what he means.

EDIT: mmm he seems to be busy, let him post here for confirmation to who fights the battle.
If I get to fight it I'll fight it this evening, after the Tour Stage of today. About 18:00 my time, 4 hours from now

StoneCold

07-19-2007, 13:00

Hmm, stig, maybe not post it until someone else finished the battle?

Dutch_guy

07-19-2007, 13:01

So Dutch_guy should post here whether he intends to fight the battle and if not, whether he delegates it to Stig or Gibson..

I'm delegating it to either Stig or Gibson. Not going to have the time to deal with it anytime soon, and by then it will be way to late.

Was thinking of giving the battle to the son who had the lesser amount of commandstars - but then I figured it wouldn't make sense since Peter would be the AI assigned commanders anyway.

So it's basically a first come first serve situation here.

:balloon2:

econ21

07-19-2007, 13:10

OK, Northnovas will re-do his battle. After a new save game is uploaded, it's first come, first served for the other battles. :2thumbsup:

Stig

07-19-2007, 13:20

So it's basically a first come first serve situation here.
I'll take it in about 4 hours as I said. If Gibson can take it before that he can have it.

TevashSzat

07-19-2007, 13:38

Well I'm happy SHA finally got some reinforcements. If I could only magae to get Caen....

TinCow

07-19-2007, 14:10

I really like that all the Houses are struggling to get decent armies to meet their needs. It actively feels like resources are running thin and the Empire is stretched. That in turn heightens the political competition and tension, which makes for great IC fun. I like the way the game is going.

AussieGiant

07-19-2007, 15:00

Ok so I want to fight my siege as soon as I can tonight also.

At this stage it looks like Northnovas, then either Stig or myself.

GeneralHankerchief

07-19-2007, 15:01

Me too, but only if Northnovas posts back quickly. I'll be out for the rest of the day.

Northnovas

07-19-2007, 15:03

Me too, but only if Northnovas posts back quickly. I'll be out for the rest of the day.

Here is the save.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252-2bq.zip

A hard one same casualty count with the enemy general dead. Close to the last minute.

GeneralHankerchief

07-19-2007, 15:03

Dibs

Stig

07-19-2007, 15:04

I'm going to fight it in more or less 2 hours, as then is when I have the time. If Northnovas hasn't posted a save by then I take it he won't be fighting it at that time either.
If he posts at around that time that he is going to fight it Gibson can take the battle.

Maybe we should give more time for 1252, loads of battles still need to be fought ... one of which is the battle for Stettin, which might even be lost if it isn't fought.

Stig

07-19-2007, 15:06

Ah he already posted it.
Someone else can take the save, Gibson isn't on and I won't fight in 2 hours.

GeneralHankerchief

07-19-2007, 15:36

Savegame uploaded:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252-3.zip

FLYdude, I'll send the casualty reports your way in a second.

Stig

07-19-2007, 16:44

Fighting now

AussieGiant

07-19-2007, 16:57

Can I take it Stig?

Crap never mind.

Stig as soon as your finished give me a shout.

Cheers
AG

Stig

07-19-2007, 17:06

Right I finished and won

Will PM FLYdude with some instructions on Ansehelm ... I'll cc them to Gibson as some of them have to do with Peter as well, and he should agree.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252-4.rar

gibsonsg91921

07-19-2007, 17:38

yeah i agree with what u said about moving peter to the west - i wanna get to killing poles but i only have the time at night CST (GMT - 6)

AussieGiant

07-19-2007, 17:43

AussieGiant

07-19-2007, 18:18

Ok done...

bloody hell!!! What a good damn fight!!

Sigismund got his spurs that is for sure.

If anyone see the save...the Hungarian's are just lining up to have a shot at me!!

save is here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1252-5.zip

AussieGiant

07-19-2007, 19:27

Damn. I just realised I have no ability to post screenshots as I don't have a website to put them on.

Ituralde can you help?

TinCow

07-19-2007, 19:32

Use Photobucket (photobucket.com) or Imageshack (imageshack.us/).

AussieGiant

07-19-2007, 20:40

Use Photobucket (photobucket.com) or Imageshack (imageshack.us/).

Thanks TC Photobucket it is.

Stuperman

07-19-2007, 21:35

Ok guys, I'm out, I might be able to check out the forums later tonight, but am unavaiable till monday (evening probably) at this point.

TC is the Steward of Bavaria in my absence, so any official business should be run through him.

Good luck and keep kicking Polish, Russian, Hungarian, and Mongol ass!

Ituralde

07-19-2007, 21:48

Congratulations on your first won battle, AussieGiant. I'm proud of you, son! ~;)

AussieGiant

07-19-2007, 22:49

Congratulations on your first won battle, AussieGiant. I'm proud of you, son! ~;)

Thanks Dad :2thumbsup:

flyd

07-20-2007, 01:05

Battle Queue for 1254

Initial save: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1254.zip

Kaiser Jobst

Kaiser Jobst,

After much dancing about, it looks like Danes have launched a full-scale invasion. About 3000 troops have entered Saxony from the north. Hamburg is under siege, and you have gotten yourself in quite a predicament. You were on your way north to guard against this very eventuality, but you did not quite arrive at Hamburg. You were marching between two dense forests when you made contact with two large Danish armies. They did not attack, but they block the way north. A smaller Danish army has moved in behind you. You are completely surrounded.

You have several options. The safest one is to attack the small southern army and escape in that direction. A more heroic option is to attack each of the two large armies to the north in turn, at night (they are both led by captains). If you destroy them with few casualties, you may be able to relieve Hamburg in time.

In either case, you can not stay where you are, as you are liable to get attacked by all three armies at once.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Ansehelm von Kastilien

Ansehelm von Kastilien,

The Russian army has not moved after you moved in behind it in late 1252, taking the position on the bridge. This year, sufficient reinforcements have arrived that you may attack the Russian army. You are slightly outnumbered. You may chose to hold at the bridge and wait for more reinforcements, but that will only delay the start of your crusade. If you destroy the Russian army, seek targets of opportunity in the Thorn area. There are many small enemy armies running about, that only serve to disrupt the flow of reinforcements.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

Arnold

Arnold,

Budapest has been besieged, as predicted. Another Hungarian army is nearby, and a third one is some distance away. You are outnumbered, but that situation will only get worse as further Hungarian armies arrive. Now may be the time to sally. There is a small (but elite) group of reinforcements holding at a bridge on the Danube river some distance south of Budapest. If you sally, you may order them to move in behind the enemy.

Chancellor von Hamburg

Karl Zirn

Karl Zirn,

Your withdrawal from Iconium, after it had been given to the Greeks, did not go as smoothly as one could have hoped. The way to Adana is clear, but a large Turkish army is just behind you. It is not necessary that you destroy it, but it would be helpful. There are some regiments that can come out of Adana and aid you if you decide to attack. You would be outnumbered significantly, only attack if you are confident in victory. Otherwise, continue to Adana.

Chancellor von Hamburg

Northnovas

07-20-2007, 04:24

Battle Queue for 1254

Initial save: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1254.zip

Karl Zirn

Karl Zirn,

Your withdrawal from Iconium, after it had been given to the Greeks, did not go as smoothly as one could have hoped. The way to Adana is clear, but a large Turkish army is just behind you. It is not necessary that you destroy it, but it would be helpful. There are some regiments that can come out of Adana and aid you if you decide to attack. You would be outnumbered significantly, only attack if you are confident in victory. Otherwise, continue to Adana.

Chancellor von Hamburg

Having reviewed the save send me to Adanna at turns end. Though there isn't much there for numbers but the Turks might not be ready for a siege.
Also I don't know if you want to split Hummel from the group.
I won't be able to take any saves till Sunday night EST.

Stig

07-20-2007, 10:07

Will fight my battle in an hour or 2 or so.

Stig

07-20-2007, 11:48

Going to fight it now

Stig

07-20-2007, 12:32

Fought and won, here's the save:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1254-2.2.rar (it's called .2 because I just decided to rout another Polish army, so that Ansehelm can group with his Mounted Xbowmen, who afaik are still meant for the crusade).

I can attack another Polish army, but would rather have Ansehelm moving west. Peter can become the commander of the FHA. I'll PM FLYdude.

EDIT:
Here's the screen:
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/the_Stig_/Forumite%20Battle%20Result/0016.jpg

AussieGiant

07-20-2007, 13:59

I'll take my sally with the reinforcements from the south tonight, at around 18:00 GMT+1.

Christ!!

Stig, I applaude your skill as I really think this is going to be the end for me against the Hungarian's!! :sweatdrop:

TinCow

07-20-2007, 14:15

Well, if you can survive this battle, you can always flee Budapest so that Arnold remains alive. You could then gather reinforcements elsewhere and push back.

Stig

07-20-2007, 15:07

For anyone interested I finished the battle report of the battle I did yesterday

AussieGiant

07-20-2007, 17:20

Looks good Stig.

The reinforcement idea doesn't work FD. I can't bring them up behind the sieging unit.

I'm taking the save anyway!! Hell Teeth :)

AussieGiant

07-20-2007, 17:36

Won!!

I skirmished them and it seemed the artillery was not function correctly. I'm not sure this is a bug but it wasn't as if they weren't firing at all.

The roll playing option just went out the window guys!! I'm gonna write this one up now.

FactionHeir

07-20-2007, 17:43

Yes, its a 1.02 bug that when you sally, the enemy artillery tends to be having some pathfinding issues, resulting in picking up artillery and dropping it in a loop. The only time it will actually fire is if you move a unit very close to it without engaging it.
In addition of course, the defending AI tends to be 90% passive and usually only move if you attack with ranged or they have ranged (in which case only their ranged units move).

TevashSzat

07-20-2007, 18:31

This isnt really related to KOTR, but I want everyone to look at my new idea for a M2TW tournament kinda and give me some feedback

StoneCold

07-20-2007, 18:31

Looking at the map from AG's battle, I noticed that the Huns have taken back Sofia?

gibsonsg91921

07-20-2007, 18:35

We oughta take sofia and keep it this time, then the problem of undefended austria would be solved.

FactionHeir

07-20-2007, 18:35

Haven't looked at the save, but from the screen....bloody hell!

AussieGiant

07-20-2007, 18:56

Hang on I've gotta upload.

Ok it's up and called.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1254-3.zip

Sorry I was writing my story and forgot.

StoneCold

07-20-2007, 19:49

Are the ERE at war with the Huns or did they sell, gift it to the huns??

flyd

07-20-2007, 19:55

I think I'm going to wait for Warluster to fight his battle. Jobst is surrounded by no fewer than three Danish armies, and two of them are pretty big. He'd probably get attacked at the end of the turn anyway, so it's best that he fights now, while he has a chance to attack them piecemeal at night, or destroy the small one and run away.

AussieGiant

07-20-2007, 19:58

Sounds like a plan FD.

Did you get my save?

I'm stuck as to how we can get the reinforced unit you placed on the bridge into helping Budapest.

I guess we wait for Warluster.

OverKnight

07-20-2007, 21:05

Are the ERE at war with the Huns or did they sell, gift it to the huns??

Interesting question. I checked saves from 1254 back to 1244, and the Hungarians and Byzzies weren't at war in any of them. Considering the Byzzies are bankrupt, I would assume they sold Sofia to the Hungarians. There is a Byzzie force SW of the Castle that could be the departed garrison.

Does anyone know if the AI actually does trade territories between factions?

Also, Jonas van Mahren is still sitting outside the Polish siege of Stettin from a turn back, are we going to auto-resolve it? Or are we waiting on Kagemusha?

TinCow

07-20-2007, 21:44

The Hungarians could have bribed it away. Remember that France already did that to Metz.

FactionHeir

07-21-2007, 04:26

If there is a byzantine ex-garrison outside Sofia, then the Byz have sold it to Hungary.

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 09:24

If there is a byzantine ex-garrison outside Sofia, then the Byz have sold it to Hungary.

Can we confirm that FH? If they have, then Arnold is going to be pissed :yes:

FLYdude,

I'll PM you with my decision on leaving Budapest to the Hungarian's.

To all,

I must say this is pretty interesting as the AI is pressuring us all (except the holiday team down in Italy :beam: joke boys) and we are all fighting for resources.

StoneCold

07-21-2007, 10:43

Or could it be a rebellion due to religion differences and revert to it's mother country?

FactionHeir

07-21-2007, 10:53

Doubt it. Its a citadel with almost all buildings built and has more than 100%PO even with a single unit inside. Considering they got a 1/3 garrison but religious differences, it would still have been around 80-90

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 11:11

Bottom line is guy's, they have it, and now with all the money they have I expect even better troops coming for Budapest.

I'm pulling out of Budapest.

I have excellent missile troops but not enough DFK to defend the walls against their 5 units of DFK's. The spear troops I have will get hammered by those guy's also.

FactionHeir

07-21-2007, 11:17

Let me fight it :grin2:
I've been fighting endless siege defenses in my last 2 SP campaigns (England & Venice) and managed to hold off a horde of DFK+DCK with 5 ISM for instance.
All you need for a siege defence is spearmen and a general to boost morale.
Only complicating factor is if the enemy has artillery. Then you'd want to have a few swords too as the wall breaches (that is, non-gate breaches) are tough to defend.

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 11:23

Hi FH,

Nice offer but no thanks :laugh4:

Have you checked the troop composition?

They have everything they need to take the city. Plenty of artillery, at least 5 units of DFK to take the walls, plus at least 4 units of Knights to force the breaches and gates.

FactionHeir

07-21-2007, 11:28

Checking now.

Btw, your diet post is missing a "not" i think.
Also, Leopold would turn in his grave at Arnold's cowardice :tongue:

[edit]
Checked save.
Confirmed Hungary initiated diplomacy with Byzantium and bought Sofia off them.
The 2 forces outside Budapest are a piece of cake to defend or attack against.
I'd propose you move the Sofia troops behind the closer stack and attack with Arnold from the front in a pronged attack.
Afterwards, use Arnold, Sigismund and if you really need, a few more units, to kill the second stack.

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 11:31

Thanks for the spot FH.

Also, Leopold would turn in his grave at Arnold's cowardice :tongue:

Nice try....but I'm not biting on that one :laugh4:

FactionHeir

07-21-2007, 11:42

Oh, but then you don't know about the letters that went on between Hans and Leopold ~;)

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 12:53

No I don't know about the letters FH

To all,

I'm taking the save back.

You seem to have inspired the Dread Duke into action FH

FactionHeir

07-21-2007, 13:00

Well, someone had to, eh? :grin:

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 13:23

Well, someone had to, eh? :grin:

Save is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1254-4.zip

I went on a little tear away it seems :laugh4:

FactionHeir

07-21-2007, 13:30

Well done ~:)

How many troops did you use for the whole thing? In my game, I went for Arnold+Sigismund from the north and 2 gothics and 2 2handers from the south. Did mean that quite a few managed to escape though, but lost only 79 men :grin:

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 14:26

Thanks FH.

I used the kitchen sink, unlike your surgical strike I see :laugh4:

Everyone is back in Budapest apart from the Zweihander's who did not have enough movement points.

They will arrive the next turn.

I still need a refit urgently so I can block these attackes in the field, plus I'd love to give Cecil an army so he can have a crack at this. But we would need at least two half stacks to do this.

Arnold is now Merciless so Leopold would be proud.

Stig

07-21-2007, 15:34

Merciless hey?
Could be fun for the future, as more seem to be picking up Dread traits (it's not like any Russian will ever be released)

gibsonsg91921

07-21-2007, 15:43

Ansehelm the Despicable, son of Gunther the Honorable - i can see it now!

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 15:43

Merciless hey?
Could be fun for the future, as more seem to be picking up Dread traits (it's not like any Russian will ever be released)

I had that purpose from the very beginning. It was a combination of following in his fathers foot steps in character and far too much chivalry for my liking when Arnold first came to be.

Stig

07-21-2007, 15:44

Ansehelm the Despicable, son of Gunther the Honorable - i can see it now!
Heheh, loads of sons don't want to end up as their father :laugh4:

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 15:47

Heheh, loads of sons don't want to end up as their father :laugh4:

Leopold went down in a blaze of glory so Arnold was more than happy to oblige.

FactionHeir

07-21-2007, 16:42

Meh, if it wasn't for Henry's begging, Hans woulda become a dread knight too. He already has several dread traits (including BattleDread which you can't turn into BattleChiv except by losing several battles) so he'll never become overly chivalrous if he fights any battles.

flyd

07-21-2007, 20:01

Hey guys. I think Ituralde's avatar is also in the Kaiser's stack. I don't think anybody would mind if he fought the battle(s) at the 48 hour expiration instead of having his character be possibly put in a highly unfavorable autoresolve.

OverKnight

07-21-2007, 20:13

I have no objections, the Kaiser takes ill and Siegfried leads the battle. Might explain the whole I made my third adopted cousin my heir thing. :laugh4:

TinCow

07-21-2007, 20:18

AussieGiant

07-21-2007, 20:19

Sounds good to me FD.

Stig

07-21-2007, 20:36

Heh, he can knight himself, can't he? ~D
As long as we can get this moving again.

What about Jonas von Mahren, him fighting might be important to save Stettin.

Warluster

07-21-2007, 23:50

Yep, Ituralde can fight the battle.

FactionHeir

07-22-2007, 04:41

Probably best to split him from the main stack pre-battle though to allow him to get the traits etc.

flyd

07-22-2007, 05:35

Well, the problem is that they're completely surrounded, with no movement possible, which is why the battle is critical. Only a small army is blocking south though, so it could be removed first with ease.

Ituralde

07-22-2007, 14:14

I figure I was all right to take the weekend off, seeing as I'm not knighted and all, but it seems like I was wrong. I'll see if I manage to fight the battle this evening. I'll post again once I pick up the save, which will mean that I'll fight it shortly afterwards.

Cheers!

Ituralde

Ituralde

07-22-2007, 14:31

Alright, I'm taking the save now!

Ituralde

07-22-2007, 15:34

And to make my triple post complete. I fought the battle(s)! I won all of them,even lifting the siege from Hamburg, but to everyone who is going to take a look at kotr1254-5 (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1254-5.rar) you'll notice that something has gone awfully wrong.

I am terribly sorry, Warluster, I'm as surprised as you all are. After defeating the first two stacks, I saw that I had defeat the third one too, because it still wouldn't let me move on. Easy battle I thought. And it was easy up to the point, where some freak catapult ball, one of those flaming balls of fire crashed right into Emperor Jobst, sending him to a fiery death!

I was dumbstruck, but there was nothing I could do. I kept my units on the move so as not to make them easy targets. I'm sorry, killing the avatar of another player really is not very desirable. I would have prefered another ending.

On the bright side, this will make an excellent story line for Siegfrieds ascension to Emperor. Just imagine him standing over the dying Emperor, who suddenly appoints him his heir. Brilliant!

Too bad, I won't have the time to finish the story right now, please give me some time to write it all up, battle report and everything. Once again I'm sorry about the loss of your character Warluster and I hope that my last comment didn't make it look as though I appreciate his death. I just try to look at the bright side of things.

Cheers!

Ituralde

FactionHeir

07-22-2007, 15:56

:inquisitive:
Man, that's a lot of avatar deaths, and now the emperor?
......

gibsonsg91921

07-22-2007, 16:05

dude thats some weird stuff. whos the new faction heir, harold von dassel?? haha

FactionHeir

07-22-2007, 16:12

According to the file its Elberhard?!?

gibsonsg91921

07-22-2007, 16:20

well at least that one kinda made sense. its staying in the royal household this time, and if it werent for siegfried von kastilien screwin it up (no offense itty) then we'd have a kind of organized line.

the emperor dying in battle so young... thats so weird!!!

FactionHeir

07-22-2007, 16:25

Econ will love being emperor again in such a short time :laugh4:

gibsonsg91921

07-22-2007, 16:28

haha no kidding. cheater

Ituralde

07-22-2007, 16:50

Yeah, my first thought was somewhere along the lines of, how can I tell them that, when that fireball engulfed Jobst. I was so surprised I didn't even take a screenshot. I did take one of his charred corpse, though.
We're really having some tough luck with the avatars recently. Did I already mention that I'm sorry? :shame:

gibsonsg91921

07-22-2007, 16:55

well, now ur emperor! i know how it feels to suddenly lose an avatar in battle. i hate it! lol ehrhart i miss you...

u can say that elberhard is the prince cuz u wanted to get it back into the swabian house for whatever reason, and elberhard is a strong crusader guy who likes to drop a cuss-bomb.

FactionHeir

07-22-2007, 16:59

Oh btw, it will be Emperor Elberhard the Lewd. Didn't we somewhere in this or the last 2 OOC threads joke about that?

GeneralHankerchief

07-22-2007, 17:05

I thought that Elberhard was younger than Siegfried though...

Wow, this should be... interesting...

FactionHeir

07-22-2007, 17:06

And what about Lyse now that Jobst is dead (that is if this is confirmed). Meinburg won't spawn as a princess either.
Maybe Jobst left a will?

What's actually interesting is that both Siegfried and Elberhard are the two youngest in their lines. Wonder why the game goes like that.

Stig

07-22-2007, 17:25

So, Elberhard becomes Prinz because that would be logical, but Jobst made Siegfried heir, because, being burned and all he said the words:
"Siegfried ... heir ... you ... must"

Failing to say the words inbetween, as he really wanted to say that Elberhard should be his heir. ~D

gibsonsg91921

07-22-2007, 17:37

elberhard is much older than siegfried, so unless he dies in battle i dont think elberhard will make it to emperoring.

poor warluster

and wont duke gunther be surprised when he returns from his vacation. "my eldest and third are firebrands, my second is weak, but the fourth is king"

FactionHeir

07-22-2007, 17:42

I actually want to see the look on Warluster's face when he finds out
OK, that actually sounded mean, but wasn't meant like that!
I mean I'd be shocked if I had delegated my battle to another player to come back and find out I'm dead.

My condolences to Warluster in any case!

Stig

07-22-2007, 17:45

I'd start running if I were Ituralde, Germany is no longer a safe place for him ~D

GeneralHankerchief

07-22-2007, 17:45

It seems as if 1254 is going to be as interesting of a year as 1154 was. :laugh4:

If something happens in 1354 that's really going to be creepy.

-edit- Ituralde, you're always welcome in Outremer. :laugh4:

gibsonsg91921

07-22-2007, 17:47

If my guy died, I'd want it to be me controlling so I can make it sound heroic.

Stig

07-22-2007, 17:47

heheh, we can make something happen in 1354 ~D

FactionHeir

07-22-2007, 17:48

Only the current young ones will still be alive by then :p

Stig

07-22-2007, 17:49

20 years is 5 years for the avatars, so that will make Ansehelm like 55 ... maybe maybe

gibsonsg91921

07-22-2007, 17:52

peters gonna be remembered, dont worry bout that, he'll be around long and important lol

Privateerkev

07-22-2007, 18:03

*rubs sleepy eyes*

A guy grabs 8 hours of sleep and look what he misses...

Holy !@#$%...

Looks like I picked an interesting time to join up! And I was afraid it was getting boring.

Sorry to Warluster and McIwoo for their character deaths but it does make for some awesome RP. Hopefully they'll both pick up some spare avatars soon and rejoin us. :beam:

And to think I was worried about Kaiser Jobst getting mad at my character in the Diet... :laugh4:

ok, time for...coffee...and more coffee... need to process all of this...

TinCow

07-22-2007, 18:13

I love this game.

gibsonsg91921

07-22-2007, 18:18

yeah TC im afraid peter despises lothar now lol

Cecil XIX

07-22-2007, 18:26

Man, quite the goings on here, though I would have preferred to have read about in one of the various IC threads. Sure would have been a surprise ending to the Battle Report! Anyway, with all condolences to Warluster, at least it makes things interesting.

Privateerkev

07-22-2007, 18:35

I love this game.

simple yet elegant...

I agree and this should be fun! :beam:

I told everyone that once I got more comfortable, I'd start throwing rocks at hornet nests... :laugh4:

Time for the next installment of "As the Diet turns..."

*edit*

BTW, I just want to state for the record that I think AG is playing an awesome character! :2thumbsup:

*edit 2*

And all of this certainly puts an interesting spin on Warluster's latest IC story...

gibsonsg91921

07-22-2007, 19:25

no kidding about the story lol

TinCow

07-22-2007, 19:57

yeah TC im afraid peter despises lothar now lol

Without enemies, life gets boring. :duel: Well, fake life gets boring. Real life without enemies is rather pleasant.

Privateerkev

07-22-2007, 20:17

no kidding about the story lol

I just looked at the save game and Warluster's story, combined with the latest in game events, is even funnier when you see that we have a mission from the Danish Prince to murder his King. :laugh4:

*edit*

Also, TC is right. I don't want to sit around IC in the Diet playing patty-cake...

*edit*

My diet posts are even funnier if you realize that, in real life, I'm an atheist...

An extreme leftist radical humanist, who is also atheist, playing a devout fundamentalist, who is also an ardent nationalist imperialist, while also supporting monarchy. Too funny... :laugh4:

flyd

07-22-2007, 20:33

Right... we've had two deaths already, and we haven't yet made contact with the Mongols. I guess I'm off to end the turn. I do wonder what'll happen next. Will the French armies all decide to collapse on the Swabians? Will waves of Hungarians spawn from the ground, and Russians parachute in around Thorn? Will the Aztecs make a 10-stack amphibious invasion of Corsica? It doesn't strike me as terribly implausible.

By the way, what's our policy on marriage/adoption/hourly_men in light of recent events? Just wondering... :laugh4:

Privateerkev

07-22-2007, 20:40

Just my opinion, but I'd say we could use all the avatars we can get. As long as they are not too old and useless.

GeneralHankerchief

07-22-2007, 20:45

Ituralde, I suggest you change your avatar and custom title to mark the event.

Stig

07-22-2007, 20:46

Accept all, we might need them ... not everyone has to become Franconian

Ituralde

07-22-2007, 20:49

@GH:

Will do, right away!

@Warluster:

Please delete some of your PMs, I intend to send you one.

OverKnight

07-22-2007, 22:08

Geez I wake up and things have gotten. . .complicated.

OOC: I know about the funky inheritance mechanics.

IC: A Kaiser goes into battle without an heir. He dies in the battle. The only surviving noble emerges from the battle and states to everyone who wasn't there, that "Oh by the way, before he died unexpectedley, the Kaiser made me his heir. So I, not related to him in anyway at all, am now Kaiser."

I'm sorry but this has to raise a few IC questions, as I just posted in the Diet.

flyd

07-22-2007, 23:31

I really think we should have two years of mourning for the Kaiser before we bring up the question of succession.

Right then...

Battle Queue for 1256.

Initial save: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1256-2.zip

Karl Zirn

Karl Zirn,

The Turkish army before which you withdrew has now besieged Adana. With the reinforcements that were already collected there, you should have sufficient troops to sally against the Turks. Good luck.

Chancellor von Hamburg.

OOC note: there is excessive artillery in which were just sitting in Adana. Please do not utilize more than 4 units.

Ansehelm von Kastilien

Ansehelm von Kastilien,

Sufficient troops have not been trained to well-equip both a crusade and a defensive army for the Thorn area. At least not given the threats that still face Thorn and the surrounding cities, such as a very large Polish army just outside of Breslau. You are to destroy this army, and then clean up any scattered enemy troops in the area.

Chancellor von Hamburg

Non-battle/optional:

Conrad Salier and Elberhard

Conrad Salier and Elberhard,

The Mongols have crossed the Euphrates somewhere to the north. Decide on how to conduct the defense, or attack them now if that seems tactically appropriate. You may use the troops of your armies as well as the Aleppo garrison for any purpose.

Chancellor von Hamburg.