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IrishArmenian

10-05-2007, 01:33

Love the chapter, Kage!

Revolting Friendship

10-05-2007, 08:28

OOC:
Haha, I had a feeling you were saving the diplomatic response from the Ryûzôji for the chapter. ;)

Great one. I'm gonna jump on the map update later today. Although I will need some info regarding a few things. I'll drop you a PM or something.

Prince Cobra

10-05-2007, 12:30

Miyoshi Chokei would like to receive the report for the condition of Takeyama castle and the lands of the dead Hatakeyama Takamasa.

OOC: Great chapter! :smash:

Kagemusha

10-06-2007, 21:39

Warman,now that you can edit,please remove that quote of the whole chapter.:smash: Also thanks guys for the kind words. My english grammar sucks, but i hope the language is understandable.:bow:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-06-2007, 22:32

Warman,now that you can edit,please remove that quote of the whole chapter.:smash: Also thanks guys for the kind words. My english grammar sucks, but i hope the language is understandable.:bow:

Did,Done Said and waiting for my PM :yes:

Great Chapter!

darkragnar

10-07-2007, 05:47

AggonyDuck

10-07-2007, 22:42

Will I be getting my info pm soon? Kinda need it to make any decisions.

Seign Thelas

10-07-2007, 23:18

Yep, also awaiting my info PM.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-08-2007, 02:08

Yep, also awaiting my info PM.

Same Here :yes:

Kagemusha

10-08-2007, 14:04

I will send the info pm´s this evening. Real life effects even poor old Kage sometimes. Apologies for keeping you guys waiting.~:)

AggonyDuck

10-09-2007, 22:01

Kage, would it be possible to get a basic description of the layout Anotsu castle with my pm?

Derfasciti

10-10-2007, 04:52

Still waiting for that PM, Kage. Not that i'm rushing you, I totally respect your needing to attend to RL. That being said however, perhaps we should extend the deadline for decisions? :bow:

Kagemusha

10-10-2007, 11:16

Bare with me.:sweatdrop: There will be some new stuff in the infos for the new year,so compiling the data has taken bit more then i expected. I should get the pm´s sent today and the new deadline for the answers is: Sunday 14th of October.:bow:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-10-2007, 15:09

Derfasciti

10-11-2007, 03:00

Indeed, you write a mean IH. Good luck with whatever's keeping you at that horrible thing called reality. :smash:

Revolting Friendship

10-12-2007, 13:56

Kage:
Just in case you have not checked, I've sent the new map to your mail. I still can't update my image-dump. Sorry.

seireikhaan

10-12-2007, 15:01

Hey Kage, I've not gotten an info PM. As soon as convenient, I would appreciate one.

Prince Cobra

10-12-2007, 16:15

Kagemusha-san, we of the Miyoshi realize you have been attacked by a serious threat called real-life. We tell you not to worry for you can rely on our help. Several thousand samurais will be send to your help and let the heads of our enemies roll on the ground.
----
In response we olny want one thing - the dead-line to be postponed until Wednesday. We of the Miyoshi are not very sure your messages will reach us until then.

AggonyDuck

10-12-2007, 16:37

Anyway this delay isn't a bad thing, because it has allowed the Oda to contemplate on new plans and ideas.

Kagemusha

10-13-2007, 08:30

Lets postpone the deadline to next wednesday. Im sorry, but everybody will get their info, like Duckie sayed.Nothing stops you guys from using diplomacy and planning things even without the latest information.:smash:

IrishArmenian

10-15-2007, 00:40

Rest assured, Clan Date is using the time well!

Kagemusha

10-16-2007, 21:33

The situation map in the first post has been updated. (Thanks Tomte.:bow: ). Also info pm´s have been sent to all the Western Daimyos. Central,Eastern and Northern ones, will get theirs tomorrow.:smash: Do you have your plans settled guys? Depending on your opinions i will reset the dead line to Friday 19th or Sunday 21st.So lets hear it guys,which should it be?:duel:

Revolting Friendship

10-16-2007, 21:59

Although I'm eager for the next season, I think we should postpone it to friday, both to give you a break and also to give all players time come in with their descisions.

Thanks for the info Kage, I appriciate your hard work. :)

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-16-2007, 22:01

Friday I think Mr.Kage :yes:

Derfasciti

10-16-2007, 23:00

Friday is fine but I'm more than willing to do Sunday too.

CountArach

10-17-2007, 23:54

Sunday would be ewasiest for me. I also haven't got my PM yet.

IrishArmenian

10-18-2007, 06:09

Any time is fine for me!

Prince Cobra

10-21-2007, 13:30

By the way, is it only me but I have not received my info yet... Consequently, a new dead-line is needed. Otherwise, there is no problem... :2thumbsup:

AggonyDuck

10-21-2007, 13:37

No, it isn't only you.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-22-2007, 19:54

:yes: Very Exicting waiting for the Next Chapter!! :beam:

Revolting Friendship

10-25-2007, 07:40

Is this IH dying? I sure hope not!

AggonyDuck

10-25-2007, 09:34

My guess is that it's on a break.

IrishArmenian

10-25-2007, 15:09

Indeed, Aggony.

Kagemusha

10-25-2007, 21:52

Im just completely tied up with work..:sweatdrop: ....and also pleasure.~;) All i need is one completely free evening to send the remaining info pm´s. That should happen on Sunday.:smash:

Franconicus

10-26-2007, 07:49

Rodion Romanovich

10-26-2007, 10:26

Kagemusha

10-26-2007, 12:09

Hi Kage-san!

It is always the trouble with these Legio style IAs, that the chief is going down sooner or later. That is a pity, cause these kind of IAs are really thrilling, but there hasn't been a single one that made it to the end.

So I wonder if it could be an option to get deputies, you know, someone you can give some jobs. For example you could let them steer the non-player counties. Of course you give the course, but they could do all negotiations. Or they could calculate the battles, even write battle reports. What do you think!
:bow:

Franc,

These are fine suggestions. But the fact is that the story telling is not the problem for me, or playing the diplomacy for non playable clans. The most time consuming thing is to keep the records of income,spending, ongoing building projects and army sizes for each for province for each player.
Some players give exellent detailed orders for their clan and keep good record o f their spending and military, while some give out orders that are clearly against rules or they dont have any concern if they have used all their income already,while giving orders that have to be checked and double checked time over time incase those cant be filled.
But anyway i will send the remaining info to Eastern clans for Sunday. I will consider Francs suggestions and hopefully we can implement some of them in some form later during the game.:smash:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-26-2007, 13:39

Or, we could also have more 1-2 player IHs :yes: (because that's all I can find time for these days, as it allows me to sometimes skip one or more entire chapters in a row when needed)... I would host one, if I would find the time, but I'm not sure I can find enough info about the period I had in mind...

What did you have in mind m8?

Seign Thelas

10-26-2007, 15:25

Rodion Romanovich

10-27-2007, 10:13

What did you have in mind m8?
Something ancient, maybe 2nd punic war (as Carthage).

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-27-2007, 15:43

Something ancient, maybe 2nd punic war (as Carthage).

so it be like a Kraxis style IH or It be a Mutiplayer IH with only 2 or 3 factions? I'm not good with naming what IH's are what.

Kagemusha

10-30-2007, 19:02

Allright. All the information PM´s have been sent. Each player should tell me in their answers how many men they will have in each of their provinces and any field armies they have for the following year. I you have an army that is besieged,you have to supply it or it will be disbanded and you will loose the province it occupies. Also post your new building constructions if you have any in your answering pm.

For the Following clans: Oda, Imagawa, Hojo, Satomi, Satake, Date and Uesugi. The Portuguese will arrive during the next season so if you want to purchase weapons from them inform me about that.
Asakura will be bypassed by the Portuguese traders, because of their attrocities towards Christians.

Cheers,

Kage

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-30-2007, 20:11

Never got my PM Mr.Kage

Kagemusha

10-30-2007, 20:39

Warman.According to my pm box. I have sent you yours 10-16-2007, 22:11.:smash: But i can resend it to you.It was titled Yamana situation after Autumn 1561

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-30-2007, 20:52

Warman.According to my pm box. I have sent you yours 10-16-2007, 22:11.:smash: But i can resend it to you.It was titled Yamana situation after Autumn 1561

Ah ok, I thought youu sent us new ones or something. I mis-understood, dummy me:wall:

me sorry! I still have mine, Sorry for the cunfusion :beam:

AggonyDuck

10-30-2007, 23:25

Kage would you mind also giving me detailed information of what is actually occuring at the Siege of Anotsu?

Kagemusha

10-31-2007, 00:04

Kage would you mind also giving me detailed information of what is actually occuring at the Siege of Anotsu?

Well i didnt mention anything special, since the undertakings you took before Autumn have started, but not yet materialized. If they would have.That would have probably been witnessed on the last chapter.:smash:

Announcement from Hatakeyma of Noto

Our condolences on the passing of our cousin Hatakeyama Takamasa. We are full of sorrow, because a great man have died in the hands of the usurper Miyoshi Chokei. We Hatakeyma of Noto, demand our neighbours Asakura to cut off any relationships to the usurper Miyoshi Chokei and to his clan, because we cant consider being friends anyone who is friend of our enemies.

Hatakeyama Yoshitsugu

Lord of Noto

IrishArmenian

10-31-2007, 00:09

Thanks for the info, Kage!

Kagemusha

10-31-2007, 21:20

I hope Sunday would be ok or the deadline. I hope everyone reads my post 542# above and sends me the information described with their answering pm´s.:bow:

Derfasciti

11-01-2007, 14:40

I sent my orders to you a good while ago, Kage. Still have it?

Kagemusha

11-01-2007, 15:23

I sent my orders to you a good while ago, Kage. Still have it?

Yes, i have them.:yes: The orders im waiting are mostly from the Central and Eastern lords that have had to wait their informations for awfully long thanks to me.:shame:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-01-2007, 15:49

Yes, i have them.:yes: The orders im waiting are mostly from the Central and Eastern lords that have had to wait their informations for awfully long thanks to me.:shame:

Still Have Mine, Honorable KageMusha, Shogun of this wonderful IH!! :egypt: :beam:

Kagemusha

11-01-2007, 19:43

Announcement from Ashikaga Shogunate for the new year 1562. Shugo´s of provinces under the Ashikaga Shogunate.These men are governors of the provinces mentioned and will rule them under the authority of Shogun Ashikaga Yoshiteru. The Shogunate expects for the Shugo´s of several provinces to name Shugodai´s for the provinces they are not personally governing.

Kanrei, deputy vice Shogun of Nippon, Miyoshi Chokei

Kanto Kanrei, deputy vice Shogun of Kanto area and Eastern Japan, Uesugi Kenshin

Kyushu Tandai, deputy vice Shogun of Kyushu Island and Western Japan, Mori Motonari

KYUSHU

Satsuma, Shimazu Takahisa

Osumi, Shimazu Takahisa

Higo, Shimazu Takahisa

Huyga, Shimazu Takahisa

Bungo, Otomo Sorin

Chikugo, Shimazu Takahisa

Buzen, Otomo Sorin

Hizen, Otomo Sorin

Chikuzen, Akizuki Tanezane

SHIKOKU

Tosa, Chosokabe Motochika

Iyo, Kono Michinao

Sanuki, Miyoshi Chokei

Awa, Miyoshi Chokei

Awaji island, Miyoshi Chokei

CHUGOKU

Nagato, Mori Motonari

Suo, Mori Motonari

Aki, Mori Motonari

Iwami, Mori Motonari

Bingo, Amako Haruhisa

Izumo, Amako Haruhisa

Hoki, Amako Haruhisa

Bitchu, Amako Haruhisa

Mimasaka, Yamana Toyosada

Bizen, Urakami Munekage

Inaba, Yamana Toyosada

Tajima, Yamana Toyosada

KINAI

Harima, Akamatsu Yoshisuke

Tamba, Hatano Hideharu

Tango, Isshiki Yoshimichi

Settsu, Miyoshi Chokei

Izumi, Miyoshi Chokei

Yamashiro, Miyoshi Chokei

Kwatchi, Miyoshi Chokei

Yamato, Miyoshi Chokei

Kii, Suzuki Sadayu

Iga, No Shugo for year 1562

Omi, Asai Nagamasa

HOKURIKU

Wakasa, Takeda Nobutaka

Echizen, Asakura Yoshikage

Kaga, Asakura Yoshikage

Hida, Anekagoji Yoshiyori

Noto, Hatakeyama Yoshitsugu

Etchu, Shiina Yasutane

Echigo, Uesugi Kenshin

Shinano, Uesugi Kenshin

TOKAI

Ise, Kitabatake Harumoto

Shima, Kitabatake Harumoto

Mino, Saito Yoshitatsu

Owari, Oda Nobunaga

Mikawa, Imagawa Yoshimoto

Totomi, Imagawa Yoshimoto

Suruga, Imagawa Yoshimoto

Kai, Takeda Shingen

Izu, Hojo Ujiyasu

KANTO

Sagami, Hojo Ujiyasu

Musashi, Hojo Ujiyasu

Kozuke, Ashina Moriuji

Kazusa, Satomi Yoshitaka

Shimosa, Satomi Yoshitaka

Awai, Satomi Yoshitaka

Hitachi, Satake Yoshiaki

Shimotsuke, Satake Yoshiaki

TOHOKU

Dewa, Mogami Yoshimori

Mutsu, Nanbu Harumasa

Shogun will give the title of Shugo of Iga, to any man, who can put the rebellous peasant province under the authority of Ashikaga Shogunate.

Signed

Seii Tai Shogun,

Ashikaga Yoshiteru

CountArach

11-03-2007, 21:17

Announcement from Hatakeyma of Noto

Our condolences on the passing of our cousin Hatakeyama Takamasa. We are full of sorrow, because a great man have died in the hands of the usurper Miyoshi Chokei. We Hatakeyma of Noto, demand our neighbours Asakura to cut off any relationships to the usurper Miyoshi Chokei and to his clan, because we cant consider being friends anyone who is friend of our enemies.

Hatakeyama Yoshitsugu

Lord of Noto
Good Yoshitsugu,

Surely your wits have left you? I have been friends with the Miyoshi clan for many years as I have been friends with yours. I shall not intervene in your war, nor shall I hope for the eventual victory of one side over the other. All that I wish for is a continuing friendship between our two peoples.

However, if you are indeed serous about this, we shall consider our treaty with the Myoshi to be much more binding; for they are the ones who have kept loyal to it.

Asakura Yoshikage

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-03-2007, 21:50

get my orders out to you ASAP Kage :-)

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-04-2007, 16:28

decsions sent :D

Prince Cobra

11-04-2007, 18:34

Hey, Kage, what happened to my PM? :beam:

SwordsMaster

11-06-2007, 12:28

I'm sorry guys, but I'm really busy for the next couple of weeks, and I won't be able to contribute. If that's not cool, feel free to find a replacement for the powerful Hojo armies.

Enjoy the rest of the game!

IrishArmenian

11-06-2007, 16:08

I sent my PM!

Kagemusha

11-07-2007, 21:54

SwordsMaster. I can take Hojo for the next chapter. I really hope you then have time to continue. And also if there is anyone who wants to play,he should step forward and claim Takeda.:yes:

AggonyDuck

11-08-2007, 21:36

Are you still lacking the decisions from anyone?

Revolting Friendship

11-11-2007, 01:53

Oh boy I hope not, this chapter has been in the making for far too long. :P

Kagemusha

11-13-2007, 13:10

The chapter will be out this evening.:smash:

AggonyDuck

11-13-2007, 13:30

Great! :2thumbsup:

Revolting Friendship

11-13-2007, 16:38

Awesome, can't wait(figuratively speaking)!

CountArach

11-14-2007, 02:19

Yay! :2thumbsup:

Tiberius of the Drake

11-14-2007, 03:34

yay! Yay! :jumping:

IrishArmenian

11-15-2007, 00:48

The chapter will be out this evening.:smash:
Hooray! I'm in a different timezone so I have no idea when, but I don't care!

Revolting Friendship

11-15-2007, 01:18

So far this has been the longest evening ever. :laugh4:
I'll be patient.

MaddenKhan2

11-15-2007, 17:41

Hey,

I finally got promoted!!!!! :2thumbsup:

May I play as Takeda? :beam:

seireikhaan

11-16-2007, 00:56

Rl issues, Kage?

Kagemusha

11-20-2007, 13:59

I have been occupied with work and finding a new apartment. But i hope the long evening ends this evening.:yes:

IrishArmenian

11-21-2007, 02:25

Oooh! I am so giddy!

Kagemusha

11-21-2007, 22:22

Chapter 8. Winter 1561- 1562

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Another autumn turns into winter. The multiple wars ravaging the land slow down for the winter months, except few determined siege efforts, which has been commanded to be carried out no matter of the bad weather and hardships of the winter.

In Kyushu, the Shimazu domain is relatively peaceful after years of warfare. The leader of the clan, Shimazu Takahisa can now see his domain flourishing and his enemies wiped out. Once his mortal enemy, Otomo clan under Otomo Sorin, has turned into valuable ally, instead of an enemy. The only thorn in the side of the two remains Akizuki Tanezane. But the young lord of Akizuki is surrounded by a army of over 12000 warriors of his enemies and the starving defenders of the last stronghold of Akizuki clan dont have much to hope for when Sprig arrives.
Both the Shimazu and Otomo Shipyards are busy trough out the winter. Churches are being built all over Kyushu,while christian missionaries tirelessly work to spread the word of one God to the population. Otomo Sorin orders the start of building a Teppo factory in his capital Utsuki, while Shimazu Takahisa starts upgrading his home castle of Kagoshima.

In Chugoku, Mori sends troops to support Amako and Yamana clans efforts to bring down the Urakami capital Tenjiyama. The siege force after 5000 strong Mori contingent arrives, now numbering 34000 men and 5 cannon lays a carefull network of defenses around the castle while forming a battery of their guns.
On the morning of January 3rd, the first cannon shots are fired and after that the cannons grind down the defenses of Tenjiyama day after day. There is clear effect on the morale of the defenders when they are facing these new weapons, which they are not able to counter.
While Yamana Toyosada has about 9000 men in the siege force besieging Tenjiyama. He decides that expansion should be started also on the borders of his own domain. Yamana dispatches an 1500 men strong force to raid the neighboring Isshiki clans Tango province. After burning down of few border villages, Isshiki reacts and mobilizes 4000 men to drive out the Yamana force.
It seems another war has started in the troubled lad of Nippon.

Shikoku island rests in peace during this winter. The clans of the island spend the winter in peace and the population is happy that there is food and shelter for them atleast this winter.

In Kinai region, Tsutsui lifts the siege of capital and withdraws back to Yamato. Miyoshi forces allow them to leave in peace and there arent any indications that Miyoshi would be followig the Tsutsui force to their home province. Other then that, The Kanrei orders to start repairing the Takeyama castle that was ruined i the previous war between Miyoshi and Hatakeyma. Also Miyoshi gives funds for enlargening the monastery of Mount.Hiei near Kyoto.

In Ise, the siege effort of Oda Nobunaga continues. On the morning of February 25th, suddenly two towers near Eastern gate of Anotsu castle collapse. Nobunagas plan has revealed itself. With the help of miners sent by Mori clan, Oda forces have been digging tunnels under the mentioned towers for months.
With the orders of Nobunaga, these tunnels are collapsed intentionally, thus damaging the foundations of the defensive towers over them. With a loud cracking noise the two towers collapse. This is a signal for start of a massive teppo fire and volleys of arrows concentrated on the section of walls between the destroyed towers. The few Kitabatake guards defending the section are killed almost instantly. In matter of seconds, tens of ladders are rushed towards the walls and Oda Samurai and Ashigaru start scaling the walls.
Oda force takes the section of walls with very limited casuelties, but once they rush down from the walls, Kitabatake reinforcements are rushed against them, led by Kitabatake Tomonori, the heir of Kitabatake clan. Fierce fighting commences and with a support of Kitabatake ranged weapons firing from the inner walls, it seems for a moment that Oda can be pushed back. But after half an hour of ferocious and bloody struggle certain Oda Samurai called Toyotomi Hideyoshi is able to lead small group of men to the East gate and take control of it. Once the gate is opened. The mass of Oda and Asai samurais start pouring in and there is little much to do for Tomonori then to start delaying the Oda force,while retreating back to inner walls. Kitabatake Harumoto has already retreated most of other Kitabatake forces inside the inner walls. While his son retreats inside the safety of the walls, with the remnants of his men.
Once Nobunaga receives news that the Outer walls are in his grasp, The Oda Daimyo halts the attacks and instead orders to start building shooting platforms against the inner walls. The Oda force works tirelessly to build better platforms while under heavy fire from the Kitabatake garrison. At the end of the season, Odas wooden walls get higher each day, while the remaining Kitabatake force does everything in their power to diminish the efforts of the besieger.

While nothing much happends in the central parts of the country, Satake and Satomi have determined to take Musashi from Hojo. Not even winter seem to be able to stop their efforts. While Takeda withdraws to Shinano and Hojo sets in a winter camp on side of Sagami province. Satake and Satomi move more cannons and men towards Musashi. It seems that the Spring will decide who will rule that province.

In Kozuke, the Date and Mogami forces spend the winter as guest of Ashina. Date Terumune orders a castle to be build in North Eastern Dewa.
Uesugi spends the winter regrouping their army for the Spring, while ShIina marches home to Etchu in order to spend the winter in their home.

The info pms will arrive in the next few days. I will take control of the Hojo for this season. Also everybody ,please wellcome our latest player:MaddenKhan2, who will take over Clan Takeda!:bow:

AggonyDuck

11-21-2007, 22:39

Thank you for the update Kage! Now the Oda can start their planning again. :bow:

MaddenKhan2

11-21-2007, 23:15

Thanks, I am excited to be taking over Takeda!! :2thumbsup:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-21-2007, 23:46

I,Yamana Toyosada , is pleased with the coalation force of My Troops,Mori Troops and the Amako Troops. We will destroy the captail Tenjiyama and capture it.

The Isshiki clan will not withstand the wrath of my clan. If they sumbit peacefully, they will be spraed, but if they keep resiting, they will die!

Kagemusha

11-22-2007, 15:37

As the conduct of Yamana clan has showed, by attacking us without any other reason, just because of their malevolence towards their neighbors. Yamana clan is nothing more then band of raiders and doesnt have honour.
We the Clan Isshiki have been forced into this war and would like to ask for other clans to join our righteous struggle to defend our lands and eliminate the bandits, who call themselves Yamana Clan.

Isshiki Yoshimichi

Lord of Tango

AggonyDuck

11-22-2007, 15:59

I am appaled by the behaviour of the brigand that calls himself the Yamana daimyo. To deliberately target villages is a sign of how deep the folly of the Yamana daimyo truly is. Even if you might succeed in conquering Tango, do you truly expect to win the hearts of its people by brutality?

Oda Nobunaga

AggonyDuck

11-22-2007, 16:34

I wish to inquire if the Kitabatake clan would be willing to accept a peaceful solution to our current conflict with these conditions:

1. Ise becomes a part of the domain of the Asai clan.
2. The Kitabatake clan will be permitted to move safely to their holdings in Shima province.

I am willing to give you my heir as a hostage during the move to Shima to ensure that no further harm will come upon your clan. I advise you to take advantage of my offer, because it is either it or a glorious funeral pyre.

Oda Nobunaga

Kagemusha

11-22-2007, 18:16

All the info pm´s have been sent.:bow: Little home work for the Clan leaders. Please make a public announcement for these couple things:

a) Name the heir of your clan. (Can be the historical one or you can pick someone else, should be either Brother or Son. Can be a different person, but that could cause unrest among your retainers.

b) Name the retainers or family members that rule each of your provinces under your authority. (Not necessary if you own just one province.)

Good Info about your clan and others can be found in here(Ofcourse you can use other sources as well):

http://samurai-archives.com/dictionary/index.html

Revolting Friendship

11-22-2007, 18:57

The ôtomo daimyo sends the following words concerning the Yamana raids into Isshiki lands:

These attacks were unprovoked and targeted at civilians. If lord Yamana sees a need to expand his territory on Isshiki expense, he should at least show honour and attack his enemy outright, instead of butchering helpless people and taking their belongings. In the middle of harsh winter, at that!

Ôtomo Sorin Sorin has no respect for such authority figures, they are nothing more than petty criminals, using their status and power to further profit their greed.

If a peasant breaks into his neighbours house, kills his children and takes his belongings for no just cause, is it not true that also the Yamana-clan would punish such an individual? What gives you, lord Yamana, the right to conduct yourself in the same way! Should you go unpunished?

If your allies, the venerable Môri and Amako wish to stand up for the Yamana-clan and their ruthless raids, there is little the Ôtomo can do. We have no desire to be destroyed over someone elses quarrel, which we would without doubt be in the face of such a powerful alliance.

But if the Yamana opts to wage open war on the Isshiki, I will send my armies to protect their lands, because I despise to see the stronger opress the weaker. You go ahead and congratulate yourself, lord Yamana, over your powerful alliance. If these friends of yours wish to be a wall for you to hide behind, it will do them no merit.

Revolting Friendship

11-22-2007, 19:22

The house of Ôtomo names Ôtomo Yoshimune as the heir to their lands and titles.

For the control of Bungo, the lord Ôtomo himself is responsible.

For the control of Buzen, our retainer Hetsugi Akitsura is responsible.

For the control of Hizen, the council of the Ryûzôji is responsible, until Ryûzôji Masaie comes of age.

For Northern Chikugo, our retainer Tawara Chikataka is responsible.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-22-2007, 20:20

Yamana Toyokuni will be the Heir to all lands of the Yamanda Clan!

Yamana Toyomasa will take care of Inaba.

Yamana Toyoyoshi will take care of Tajima, and Eastern Mimasaka!

We are a growing Clan, and We needed to expand, or our population will be croweded and die! We peacefully wanted them to join our ranks, but seeing that they proably won't, we will make them into our glorious clan the hard way. We Wish that the Amako Clan and Mori Clan Understand this, and hope we can fight the threat against the Issukes and Otomo clans!

seireikhaan

11-22-2007, 20:21

Satomi Yoshitake names Satomi Yoshihiro as his heir.

The control of Awai is under my eldest son, Satomi Yoshihiro.

The control of Shimosa is under my retainer Masaki Tokitada.

The control of Kazusa is under my younger son, Satomi Yoshiyori

Revolting Friendship

11-22-2007, 21:30

Lord Ôtomo assures the lord of the Yamana that the Ôtomo forces will be of no threat to neither you nor your allies, unless you and your warriors should, by chance or otherwise, again find themselves marching through the lands of the Isshiki without a proper invitation to do so.

Your expansionistic ambitions is of no concern to me, but your inept assumptions and unseemly behaviour will draw you to fate I wish for no man, with or without my involvement. If the people of the Isshiki lands are destined to be ruled by anyone apart from their own lord, it is entirely inappropriate that it should be someone of such poor character.

Ravie

11-23-2007, 00:47

To Yamana

Clan Asai would like to congratulate you on being the biggest fool ever to walk Japan.

I shall be sending you a gift. Sleep well :bow:

Asai Nagamasa

AggonyDuck

11-23-2007, 00:52

Oda Nobutada is the heir of the Oda clan.

CountArach

11-23-2007, 01:28

My great brother shall be the heir to my throne

Each of my sons shall control one of my territories, the elder taking the home province.

IrishArmenian

11-23-2007, 07:54

We name our heir to be Date Sanemoto. (That makes leader Termune and heir Sanemoto)
North-Central Dewa: Date Masakage
Central Mutsu: Date Akimitsu

MaddenKhan2

11-23-2007, 16:43

To Yamana

Clan Asai would like to congratulate you on being the biggest fool ever to walk Japan.

I shall be sending you a gift. Sleep well :bow:

Asai Nagamasa

To Yamana,

We also like to congratulate you.... on accecping our allaince offer. We surely will be good allies. We will send you a better gift.

Clan Takeda

Kagemusha

11-23-2007, 16:55

Open letter from Kitabatake Harumoto,

We would like to thank Oda Nobunaga for his generous offer. Before we can reply anything to it, we would like to ask the Kanrei, Miyoshi Chokei, what does Shogunate think about taking lands with force of one of their Shugo´s, who have been appointed by the Shogun himself to rule Ise? How the Shogunate feels about direct attack against their governor, in order to steal land from Shogunate?

Kitabatake Harumoto

IrishArmenian

11-23-2007, 21:03

Surely the Shogun dissaproves! He would never try anything underhanded, like asking a large clan to destroy a smaller one!

Seign Thelas

11-23-2007, 21:24

The heir to the Mori clan domain shall be my eldest son, Mori Takamoto.

Takamoto will also be in control of Suo Province.

My other sons, Kobayakawa Takakage and Kikkawa Motoharu, shall be in control of Nagato and Western Iwami, respectively.

I shall control Aki personally.

Mori Motonari.

Prince Cobra

11-24-2007, 10:46

We of the Miyoshi are to give example to the other daimyo and we decided to sign peace with Tsutsui Junkey. The peace will be at least seven years and we of the Miyoshi give up any claim for the Yamato province ruled by Tsutsui Junkey.

We ask the Tsutsui for confirmation.

Miyoshi Chokei

Kagemusha

11-24-2007, 12:27

Tsutsui Clan accepts the peace between itself and Miyoshi.

Tsutsui Junkei

Kagemusha

11-24-2007, 12:35

Order from Shogun to Oda Nobunaga,

Ashikaga Shogunate orders Oda Nobunaga, the shugo of Owari and leader of Oda clan to immediately lower his weapons and withdraw from Ise. If Oda Nobunaga fails to follow the Shoguns orders, he is to loose the title Shugo of Owari and will be proclaimed as enemy of Shogunate. In that case any forces obedient to Shogun are allowed to wage war against Oda until they are of no threat to anyone anymore.

Ashikaga Yoshiteru
13th Ashikaga shôgun

AggonyDuck

11-24-2007, 12:57

Ravie

11-24-2007, 15:36

I do not see the wisdom in these words Shogun, currently Asakura is killing off innocent people in his lands, Yamana is killing children, there is a large war waging in the East with 1000's dying, and yet you question your Kanrei's strongest ally in his actions.

Yet you come out and ask why we, myself and Oda are trying to *steal* land from the Shogun? This has nothing to do with the so called *shogun* This is just about the Asai clan gaining revenge for embarrassment and loss of honour at the hands of the Kitabatake. They have been offered numerous chances to surrender and go into exile or commit seppuku with honour, yet they refused.

The Shogun should be asking the Kitabatake why he is losing the province of Ise, the province given to him to rule by the Shogun.

The Shogun should ask the kitatabatake to accept our offer and allow a new line of stronger blood to rule his province of Ise, someone who wont lose the lands appointed to him by the Shogun.

Asai Nagamasa

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-24-2007, 20:09

How exactly do my actions differ from the actions of other clans? What makes them so offensive to the Shogun that he feels that he needs to sanction me, while the infant-killing Yamana, to name the worst, remain unsanctioned? How is my war any different from the other wars waged currently in Japan?

Either way I will have to think about the order.

Oda Nobunaga

Because the Isshikis are rebels in my eyes, and I think I could remain loyal to the Shogun, unlike yourself, Oda. But I do understand your point, but if the Isshikis are rebels, I have the right to conquer them

Yamana Toyosada

Revolting Friendship

11-24-2007, 20:34

Because the Isshikis are rebels in my eyes, and I think I could remain loyal to the Shogun, unlike yourself, Oda. But I do understand your point, but if the Isshikis are rebels, I have the right to conquer them

Yamana Toyosada

Yamana Toyosada this is NONESENSE, the Isshiko have peacefully ruled their lands and not made conflicts with their neighbours. On top of that, they have been officially recognized by the Shogun as the Shugo's of Tango.

That means they are the servants of the Shogun and the Emperor in ruling the province of Tango, which you have unleashed your armies upon to pillage and burn the villages of innocent people.

YOU HOWEVER, have thus revealed yourself to be nothing short of a bandit lord, and I, Ôtomo Sorin, officially ask the Shogun Ashikaga Yoshiteru to relieve you of titles and rights.

IrishArmenian

11-25-2007, 00:47

Ravie

11-25-2007, 03:28

Yamana Toyosada

You have once again proven you lack the intelligence to rule.

AggonyDuck

11-25-2007, 09:29

Because the Isshikis are rebels in my eyes, and I think I could remain loyal to the Shogun, unlike yourself, Oda. But I do understand your point, but if the Isshikis are rebels, I have the right to conquer them

Yamana Toyosada

I will not bow down to a mere puppet, but I am not against the idea to bow before the puppeteer himself should he cease this charade and replace the puppet. The right to rule comes through power and the current power in Central Japan is Kanrei Miyoshi Chokei, not Shôgun Ashikaga Yoshiteru who doesn't even have the power to choose his own actions. We all know this to be the case, so why even bother to pretend that the current Shôgun actually rules this land?

Oda Nobunaga

Prince Cobra

11-25-2007, 10:29

I will not bow down to a mere puppet, but I am not against the idea to bow before the puppeteer himself should he cease this charade and replace the puppet. The right to rule comes through power and the current power in Central Japan is Kanrei Miyoshi Chokei, not Shôgun Ashikaga Yoshiteru who doesn't even have the power to choose his own actions. We all know this to be the case, so why even bother to pretend that the current Shôgun actually rules this land?

Oda Nobunaga

Open Letter from Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei and Defender of the Mighty Shogun Ashikaga to Oda Nobunaga:

We of the Miyoshi have heard enough for our master, the Mighty Shogun Ashikaga! He is the master of these lands! There is no puppeteering!

We see too many interests are connected with the Ise province and we will try our best to find a compromise. We think the terms you, Oda Nobunaga gave to Kitabatake Harumoto are too heavy. We offer the Noble Asai Nagamasa, my ally, you, Oda Nobunaga to put your demands on the table. Representative of Kitabatake Harumoto is also invited.

Sign,

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

Kagemusha

11-25-2007, 13:20

Announcement from Clans Hatano, Akamatsu, Isshiki and Takeda of Wakasa,

As result of vicious attack of Yamana against Isshiki. The clans ruling provinces of Tamba, Harima, Tango and Wakasa have decided to enter into defensive alliance against any attacks against our domains. While our lands might not be richest in Japan and our individual armies strongest. We will not stand by idle if our lands are tryed to be taken one by one.Clan Yamana. You are to immediately withdraw from Isshiki domain and pay one thousand koku compensations to Isshiki for the damages your raids have caused. If you fail to achieve that, our defensive alliance will declare war against you clan.

Lords,

Hatano Hideharu
Lord of Tamba

Akamatsu Yoshisuke
Lord of Harima

Isshiki Yoshimichi
Lord of Tango

Takeda Nobukata
Lord of Wakasa

Prince Cobra

11-25-2007, 13:57

After receiving the reports about the accident of Tango we decided to stop the war there. We would like to offer our help to find out a peaceful way of the crisis. We are ready to give diplomatic help to the both sides in order the crisis in Tango to be solved.

Sign,

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

Revolting Friendship

11-25-2007, 14:48

Miyoshi Chokei:

You call this an accident? What, are we to assume the Yamana warriors simply went out for a walk one day, waving swords and torches around, and accidentally burned several villages to the ground?

I will accept no compromises in this matter. If the Shogun fails to properly rebuke Yamana Toyosada for his transgressions, I will not answer to or support any decree put fourth.

There is just one victim in this affair, and just one side that deserves Shogunal support. Bloody vengeance is entirely in place, there would be no fault on the Isshiko if they were to crush the Yamana completely, for we already know which intentions Yamana in turn holds towards the Isshiko.

I will therefore support them until they have been fully requited and Yamana put on a leash.

Kagemusha

11-25-2007, 15:15

Message from Ashikaga Shogunate,

In reply of the earlier statements. Ashikaga Shogunate condemns the attack of Yamana against Isshiki. Shogunate would be intrested about views of Amako Haruhisa and specially Mori Motonari, who has been appointed as Kyushu Tandai and Shoguns representative in western Japan. What are your views on the Yamana attack and do you have role behind these attacks?
Yamana Toyosada should not speak about Isshiki as rebels. They are rightful Shugo family of Tango. Shogunate hopes that these attacks have been misunderstanding and possibly work of undiciplined retainer of Yamana clan. The Shogunate orders in this situation Yamana to lay down his weapons and pay compensations for Isshiki of the damage done. We hope that Yamana will not force our hand to strip him from his titles.

For Oda Nobunaga and Asai Nagamasa. There is no justification in your attacks against Kitabatake. Vengeance of past unsuccessful crimes towards Kitabatake is bad justification for invading one of the Shugos of Ashikaga Shogunate. Withdraw from Ise or pay the consequences.

Ashikaga Yoshiteru
13th Ashikaga shôgun

Ravie

11-25-2007, 15:29

Open Letter from Clan Asai

Clan Asai would like to annouce that the Alliance between ourselves and Asakura is still valid, the friction cause by Oda is in the past, in light of this our alliance still stands strong and i support the clan in all of its endevors.

Asai Nagamasa

To Miyoshi Chokei

My demands are this, to be given full control over the province i set out to conquer, as stated above the great and wise Kitabatake is to great a enemy to be killed, i have offered him life and protection under his own rule, for as long as his blood line survives on the island of Shima.

His protection will be ensured by hostages being exchanged of both sides, i would also like to ask Kitabatake to become one of my military consul, never has such a cunning mind been seen in japan to rival Kitabatake Harumoto, The Fox of Ise.

Oda will receive nothing, but my support in his endevors.

Asai Nagamasa

AggonyDuck

11-25-2007, 16:16

To Miyoshi Chokei

The only interest that the Oda clan holds in this is securing a solid ally at our rear and their support for a certain ongoing war in the east. We have promised our support to Asai in return for support against the Imagawa-Takeda-Hojo alliance. Thus I will fully support Asai in his decisions and I expect him to do so when it comes to the war in the east.

Oda Nobunaga

Kagemusha

11-25-2007, 16:44

Ravie

11-25-2007, 16:57

I would not stand in your way Saito if you wished to attack Oda, but it would be folly and a defeat for yourself. We have been allied for along time by marriage and i value your alliegence. Now if Asakura was to attack Oda aswell i would have a problem as they are both my loose allies and i cannot choose between the 2 so would have to side with the one being attacked. The same as i would if Oda was to attack Asakura.

And Oda was securing his bck against myself, by helping me in my goals he was also helping himself. So he still is.

Asai Nagamasa

Derfasciti

11-25-2007, 17:05

Shimazu Heir: Shimazu Yoshihisa, controls Osumi.

Retainers:

Shimazu Yoshihiro, second son and governs in the name of the Daimyo in Higo

Shimazu Toshihisa, third son and To rule in Hyaga

Shimazu Iehisa, fourth son and to govern Southern Chikugo

Shimazu Takahashi himself rules over Satsuma directly.

AggonyDuck

11-25-2007, 17:05

Message from Clan Saito,

So if we together with Asakura for example decide to attack the home province of Oda, Owari. Asai´s loyalty is with us and not Oda and you will join our forces? As we see it, your words seem light, Asai Nagamasa.
To Oda Nobunaga. Why did you have to invade Kitabatake in order to secure your back, when Kitabatake doesnt actually have reputation of being agressive towards its neighbours?

Saito Toshimasa
Lord Of Mino

You seem to have misunderstood my words. My invasion of Ise was to secure a solid ally, meaning the Asai, at my rear, not to secure my back from the Kitabatake. This is no different from your clans support to the Asai two years before. With hindsight I can agree that the invasion was a mistake, but not following it through now would be an ever bigger one.

Oda Nobunaga

OOC: Didn't Toshimasa aka Dosan die six years ago? Shouldn't this have been signed by Saito Yoshitatsu, the leper? (who is propably still alive, because no mention of his death has been mentioned)

Seign Thelas

11-25-2007, 17:24

I am indifferent to the attacks on the Isshiki clan. In this time of warfare, one must expect such unfortunate things to happen. The Isshiki are not rebels, however, and should be treated well. If the Yamana will attack a Shugo, I expect them to do so in samurai versus samurai battle. Attacking peasants is not an honorable act, and the Yamana are expected to pay the people of Tango in some way when the conflict is over.

And to Kage: My orders are sent, and they are final.

Kagemusha

11-25-2007, 17:25

OOC: Yep.Duckie you are right. Thats what you get when you are not always checking the names when signing letters.:sweatdrop: Good observation thanks!:bow:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-25-2007, 17:45

Revolting Friendship

11-25-2007, 18:01

From Ôtomo Sorin to Yamana Toyosada:

You withdraw your troops and pay the asked for sum of 1000 koku. If the Isshiki are satisfied with this settlement, this issue is resolved.

Isshiki Yoshimichi:

Please confirm that this settlement is sufficient compensation. Let your alliance stand to make sure your Yamana neighbour does not try to break his deal in the future. If he does I will support you all as previously promised.

Yamana Toyosada, I have my eyes on you.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-25-2007, 18:10

Revolting Friendship

11-25-2007, 19:00

OOC:
AggonyDuck:
To be perfectly accurate even Saito Yoshitatsu should have died from his disease at this point. :holmes:

AggonyDuck

11-25-2007, 19:15

OOC: Hence the thing I said in the parenthesis, but I assumed he was still alive due to the fact that no mention has been made of it.

MaddenKhan2

11-25-2007, 19:26

From Clan Takeda:

We are pleased that our newfound ally,Yamana Toyosada, has decied to withdraw and pay his fine. It would have been unwise to keep troops there. Good luck in your current Seige Though,Yamana!

Kagemusha

11-25-2007, 19:32

Isshiki accepts the terms for peace. Yamana should pay the compensations not later than during the next winter.

Clan Isshiki

Derfasciti

11-25-2007, 19:36

When are orders due, Kage?

Kagemusha

11-25-2007, 20:05

When are orders due, Kage?

Im still waiting for quite few clans to tell me about their heirs and governors. I think good deadline would be next friday.November 30th. Is that fine for everyone?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-25-2007, 20:16

good for me :-)

IrishArmenian

11-25-2007, 20:28

OOC: Good for me too.
Back in Character: We, Clan Date, see the only honourable option for Yamana Toyosada is to commit seppuku, that he may have a death more noble than his life.
Date Termune

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-25-2007, 22:12

I,Yamana Toyosada, will not commit Seppku. Why would I take my own life when I do not feel any shame?

MaddenKhan2

11-25-2007, 23:27

From Clan Takeda:

Kai,I,Takeda Shingen , will take control of this province

Shinano Southern, TAKEDA Nobukado will take control of this province

Shinano central,Takeda Yoshinobu will take control Of

AggonyDuck

11-25-2007, 23:55

From Clan Takeda:

Kai,I,Takeda Nobutora , will take control of this province

Shinano Southern, TAKEDA Nobukado will take control of this province

Shinano central,Takeda Yoshinobu will take control Of

OOC: Just curious, what happened to Shingen? Did good ol' Nobutora come and take over the clan again from his son?

IrishArmenian

11-26-2007, 00:02

I,Yamana Toyosada, will not commit Seppku. Why would I take my own life when I do not feel any shame?
No shame after massacring whole, innocent villages? You truly are a blight on the land.

MaddenKhan2

11-26-2007, 01:28

OOC: Just curious, what happened to Shingen? Did good ol' Nobutora come and take over the clan again from his son?

Sorry, I meant Shingen. I was somewhat confunsed.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-26-2007, 01:55

No shame after massacring whole, innocent villages? You truly are a blight on the land.

Which is a excuse for killing myself? When you go to war, for example, you kill men, who are fathers, is that not also shameful?

Yamana Toyosada

Marshal Murat

11-26-2007, 02:42

Isn't it a little early Takeda, declaring victory over Shinano?

MaddenKhan2

11-26-2007, 03:44

Isn't it a little early Takeda, declaring victory over Shinano?

I have not declared Victory over anyone yet (OCC:Have I?)

Clan Takeda

Ravie

11-26-2007, 03:55

I believe your are currently fighting off Uesugi Kensin for the rule of Shinano (he invaded you)

IrishArmenian

11-26-2007, 07:22

Which is a excuse for killing myself? When you go to war, for example, you kill men, who are fathers, is that not also shameful?

Yamana Toyosada

Men who are fighting. Not women and children who are defenseless. Do you grasp this or have you no heart nor adherance to the Bushido? Your lack of regret for massacre of innocents makes us sick!

Prince Cobra

11-26-2007, 19:23

If the players do not mind, 1 of December is a better deadline for me. I need to consider some things. :bow:

Prince Cobra

11-26-2007, 19:42

Men who are fighting. Not women and children who are defenseless. Do you grasp this or have you no heart nor adherance to the Bushido? Your lack of regret for massacre of innocents makes us sick!

Date, we see you are seriously concerned about the honour of Yamana ... we know it is a result of your good intentions but fortunately the case is now solved.

Ravie

11-26-2007, 20:08

It isnt solved when Yamana feels killing children is the same as killing armed men !!

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-26-2007, 22:06

It isnt solved when Yamana feels killing children is the same as killing armed men !!

What do you wish for me to do then? Kill myself, and have all my people do so also?

Yamana Toyosada

AggonyDuck

11-26-2007, 22:55

The Oda are curious over the reasons for the Yamana-Takeda alliance. What good could such an alliance do to either party? Alliances are struck because they benefit both parties, but we have a hard time seeing what the benefits behind this alliance are. Would both the Takeda and the Yamana care to elaborate their reasons for this alliance, because our only explanation at the moment is that Yamana Toyosada has somehow possessed mighty Shingen and that does sound nigh impossible.

Oda Nobunaga

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-27-2007, 01:34

AggonyDuck

11-27-2007, 01:46

Oda, It is because of the strategic locations we have.You may not understand the strategic locations of our clans, but we do.

Yamana Toyosada

Strategic locations? What worth does your position hold to a landlocked Takeda currently engaged in a massive war in the East? This alliance is as rational as a Akizuki-Oda alliance would be. In fact it is even less rational than Akizuki-Oda alliance would be due to the fact that there is a naval connection between the latter two, while there is no direct connection between your two clans.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-27-2007, 04:10

Our Allaince has a nice bit of Worth Oda. We will not elaborate fully, but we made a allaince after consulting over some scerinocs.

Yamana Toyosada

IrishArmenian

11-27-2007, 07:51

Nobunaga, you see that if one of the women that the Yamana are slaughtering fights back, the mighty Takeda army shall crush her. We hope this clears up all misunderstanding.
Regards, Date Termune

AggonyDuck

11-27-2007, 09:10

Our Allaince has a nice bit of Worth Oda. We will not elaborate fully, but we made a allaince after consulting over some scerinocs.

Yamana Toyosada

Let uncle Oda share a nice story with you. It's about a fella who wanted to host a Interactive History and wanted to participate as Austria in it, but others felt that he would have a bias. So to circumvent this he created a new account. Once this account had been promoted, he went ahead and created his IH and joined up as Austria in it. And while he was at it he decided to use this opportunity to take over another clan in here and Ma Teng in past China. But the mistake he did was that he failed to actually create a difference between the two accounts. The horrific spelling is the same, the areas of interest are the same (Gahzette, RTW and VI MP, Chapter House), the style of writing is similar, there is a bad habit of posts from this new account coming up minutes after the fella's and strangely enough he has stopped posting in other parts of the forum after his promotion. Add to this the fact that our fella is known of liking Mongols and it was enough to pretty much seal my suspicisions.

It's a shame that we were so harsh on Yamana's peasant killing tactics, because I wouldn't have been surprised to see Takeda do similar things next season if we hadn't made a statement about it.

Revolting Friendship

11-27-2007, 10:38

AggonyDuck:

Nice detective work.

Prince Cobra

11-27-2007, 13:33

Kage, I've just reread the samurai archives and probably I'll need some more time to consider my ideas... It seems my memory mislead me. But the question on Awaji stays.

In case I decide to change any governor from that list I sent you (since it is not yet issued), will it affect the game?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-27-2007, 16:10

Let uncle Oda share a nice story with you. It's about a fella who wanted to host a Interactive History and wanted to participate as Austria in it, but others felt that he would have a bias. So to circumvent this he created a new account. Once this account had been promoted, he went ahead and created his IH and joined up as Austria in it. And while he was at it he decided to use this opportunity to take over another clan in here and Ma Teng in past China. But the mistake he did was that he failed to actually create a difference between the two accounts. The horrific spelling is the same, the areas of interest are the same (Gahzette, RTW and VI MP, Chapter House), the style of writing is similar, there is a bad habit of posts from this new account coming up minutes after the fella's and strangely enough he has stopped posting in other parts of the forum after his promotion. Add to this the fact that our fella is known of liking Mongols and it was enough to pretty much seal my suspicisions.

It's a shame that we were so harsh on Yamana's peasant killing tactics, because I wouldn't have been surprised to see Takeda do similar things next season if we hadn't made a statement about it.

You are right about the first part. I wanted to start my IH and played in it,but didn't because of people saying I would be bias.
Now Ducky, your story sounds good, but.....

1. Alot of people here Like the Mongols
2. Alot of people posted in same threads only 1-3 minutes after I have in other threads, incluing and not including the ones your mention.
3.Alot of people ONLY post in a few parts of the Fourm. Some People only Post in the Front/Backroom and that it,with a occsonial post or 2somewhere else.
4. Alot of people here got Bad Spelling. If you can try to resarch me here, you can go research other parts.
5.I don't usally post in VI MP anyhow Chief. Not for awhile I don't think.
6. How do you know it not someone trying to frame me? So ok, if it is, I fell for it. I had people in the past try to frame me Ducky. I played MP long enough and sadly made some enemy that would do so, and I got some ideas who. Don't Believe me? Fine,believe what you like.

But isn't raiding Towns a way to weakn your enemey?
Yamana Toyosada

AggonyDuck

11-27-2007, 16:30

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-27-2007, 16:37

MaddenKhan2

11-27-2007, 18:02

Just my suspicion, that's all. Can't prove it though. Yes a lot of people might have some of those things, but that exact combination isn't exactly commonplace. Either way the only thing this has done is remind me how petty I truly am, which I suppose is a very good thing.

So Ok, AggonyDuck. I been Friends with Warman on RTW/MT2W when we did some games online a few months ago. He asked me to join BHC, I declined, but I asked if he had a clan fourm. He said not a good one, and told me to join .org. I came here, joined here, and tag along with him in alot of the areas because he been a good friend towards me. I'm sorry if I made him look like he owned my account or something. I know I got bad spelling to, and got a interset in Mongols also, but so do alot of people lol.
How about, any more talk of this goes into PM, so we can stay on topic in here :-)?

Kagemusha

11-27-2007, 23:48

Waiting information about the heirs of the repectfull clans and governors of their provinces from following clans: Amako, Chosokabe, Asai, Satake and Uesugi.:bow:

Franconicus

11-28-2007, 10:25

Kagemusha

11-28-2007, 16:13

Message from Imagawa:

My mind suffers from the ruthless ambitions of all the tiny local leaders and my heart is bleeding when I look at our once so great nation. Therefore I decided to retire and to gove my power and the concern for my clan into the hands of my old, honorable and respected friend, the leader fo Hojo. May he be the one to unite our country and to give peace and greatness back to our people.

Imagawa.

Franc, i really do hope you are not quitting. But if you are, it was great having you in the game. It would be great loss for this interactive to loose veteran like you, but if you are leaving. I would like to thank you for participating in this game. I really hope that your decision is not based o the very hard campaign Imagawa have had during these first years. You can ask anybody if they have had an easy game. I doubt anyone would say so. My intention has been to make this IH a struggle for the players. If it would be easy, it would end in few years, which would be nothing like the history of the period was.:bow:

IrishArmenian

11-28-2007, 16:39

An easy game? Please, you're talking to many 17th Century (Legio's or should I say Rodion's) alumns. I don't want to see an 'easy' IH! Neither does the King of Fr...The former Imagawa leader!

Revolting Friendship

11-28-2007, 18:40

I agree, it's fun because it's challenging. When you find you enjoy being defeated, then you know you've found a great game.

In any case, I wonder what this turn of events will do for the Hôjô war...

Tiberius of the Drake

11-28-2007, 20:18

Wo i leave for a few days and all this happens

Prince Cobra

11-28-2007, 21:06

In case I decide to change any governor from that list I sent you (since it is not yet posted here), will it affect the game?

Could you reply to me... Thanks in advance Kage. :bow:

Kagemusha

11-28-2007, 21:35

Could you reply to me... Thanks in advance Kage. :bow:

Everything is possible, but if its about the change that have been discussed via pm´s its bound to effect the game anyway. Stripping a title from a person inside a clan could have an effect in the game. A happy retainer/ family member, is one who is on charge of important things and places.~;)

King Kurt

11-29-2007, 10:44

Kage

My family and I have been ill most of this week - I am still off work - so I can't see me doing the heirs etc until next week. I will get my move in today/ tomorrow however.

Kagemusha

11-29-2007, 18:41

Kage

My family and I have been ill most of this week - I am still off work - so I can't see me doing the heirs etc until next week. I will get my move in today/ tomorrow however.

I understand Kurt. Take your time. If people have problems with the heirs and governors, concentrate on your answers. But i do want those eventually.:smash:
It has been confirmed that sadly Franc has to leave us because of his real life busyness, so i would like to thank him for participating and hope that you will return to game when you have more time in your hands. Im taking over Imagawa for this chapter, but its now open for a new player. Clans Ashina and Tokugawa are also available for human player, if there are interest.:bow:

Prince Cobra

11-29-2007, 19:52

Our Nomination for governors are:

Awa: my brother Miyoshi Yoshikata, commander of the Shikoku field armies

Sanuki: Miyoshi Masayasu

Awaji: Matsunaga Hisahide

Settzu: my brother Miyoshi Kazunari

Izumi: my brother Atagi Fuyuyasu, commander of the fleet

Kwatchi: Miyoshi Nagayuki

Yamashiro: we, Miyoshi Chokei, are responsible for the fate of Yamashiro and the safety of the Shogun in the current turbulent situation

We nominate as heir our son Miyoshi Yoshioki, who is also a commander of the personal guard of the mighty Shogun Ashikaga

Sign,

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei and Defender of Nippon and the Mighty Shogun Ashikaga

OOC: Kage, I want to specify several things but they would be a matter of the PM with the decisions.

IrishArmenian

11-30-2007, 01:05

Kage, are you Daiymo Ashina?

Kagemusha

11-30-2007, 07:08

Kage, are you Daiymo Ashina?

Yes. As long as we dont have a human player to rule that clan. If clan is not ruled by one of the players in the list which is in the first post,then i will control it.:yes:

americancaesar

11-30-2007, 12:07

I wish to join. What clans are still open?

AggonyDuck

11-30-2007, 12:19

Imagawa, Tokugawa, Hojo and Ashina.

Prince Cobra

11-30-2007, 20:59

Kage, your PM box is full...:stars: Since I'll be busy in the weekend, I'll send to you my decisions on Monday. :bow:

Tiberius of the Drake

12-01-2007, 04:03

Kage, my decisions are going to be late because of Rl. but they will come.

seireikhaan

12-01-2007, 21:11

Kage, if possible, could you clear some PM space? I rather need to ask a question.

americancaesar

12-01-2007, 21:31

Imagawa, Tokugawa, Hojo and Ashina.

I'll take Imagawa please. :yes:

AggonyDuck

12-02-2007, 13:57

Yeah, it would be nice if you could clear some space Kage.

Prince Cobra

12-03-2007, 12:37

Kage, could you put the deadline on Saturday, please? I have a test this week and I will be offline until then. :bow:

darkragnar

12-03-2007, 17:35

sorry for the late response, but real life has caught up to me it seems , i have stopped visiting this site totally since some time now ,and it would be wrong of me to leave without leeting you all know, i would like kage to give my honorable clan to himself :P

i will return , in a short order, about 2-3 weeks, if not ill let you all know and u can assign a new player, but i doubt that, Chosokabe is Ma baby and i wont leave her to someone else other than Kage.

See you all later.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

12-03-2007, 17:48

Everyone here is leaving :sweatdrop:

I hope you, Fran and everyone else can come back soon Dark :yes:

Kagemusha

12-03-2007, 18:03

Oh crap.Il make some space asap. Darkragnar.I can handle your clan for couple weeks,no problemo. Stephen Asen,you mean you want to postpone the chapter for a full week? americancaesar, wellcome to the game. You can start playing Imagawa as the summer turn starts.I will give you your starting info as the next chapter will be out.:smash:

AggonyDuck

12-03-2007, 21:24

A message to the Shôgun and Kanrei Miyoshi Chokei

Although I do not like it, I am forced to obey the Shôgun's orders on the matter at Ise. We do not have the power to defend ourselves against a coalition led by Miyoshi. Hence I will lower my weapon and withdraw from Ise. I will send my sword with a messenger to Kyoto, to ensure the Shôgun and his Kanrei, that I will not draw it against another one of his Shugo again.

Oda Nobunaga

Kagemusha

12-03-2007, 21:59

Message from Ashikaga Shogunate

Shogun is pleased to see that both Yamana and Oda Clans have decided to listen to the orders of Shogunate. We hope this will allow more peaceful future for the Kansai region. Shogunate hope´s that Clan Asai will obey Shoguns orders also, by publicly announcing withdrawal from Ise province.

Revolting Friendship

12-04-2007, 02:16

Open letter from Ôtomo Sorin to the Shogun and the Kanrei:

I am astounded at your stubborn interference in the matter between Asai and Kitabatake. Is it not true that Asai accepted Miyoshi Chokei as Kanrei, while the Kitabatake refused him? If Kitabatake refused him, he also refused the Shogun's directions. Still, you demand that your supporters should cease war against your enemies. Explain this to me, as it makes no sense. If Asai brings loyalty to the Shogun back to Ise, how is this not in your interests?

I have no objections to the war Lord Asai is waging, given the circumstances. The war has been fought honourably, and with everything considered, Asai's cause is righteous. However Kitabatake, while refusing Shogunal decrees, comes begging for the Shogun's voice only when his impudent head is threatened by the Asai. Yet you, the Shogun and the Kanrei, defy your supporters and support your enemies. It is outrageous. Is this because Miyoshi Chokei only fear his neighbours growing stronger?

For the Kanrei showed no interest in supporting the Ôtomo when we were attacked by Ryûzôji and Akizuki, and had our provinces ravaged by them.
Miyoshi Chokei, inconsistency in your role as Kanrei lowers your authority. Why should I grant such a man, driven by partiality to his own interest, my support?
I bet if I and other Daimyô had not spoken up, neither you nor the Shogun would not have cared for the Isshiki issue either, because neither they nor Yamana border Miyoshi provinces.

I demand that the Shogun and his Kanrei leave Asai to their business and redeem their positions. If they do, the Ôtomo will also recognize the Kanrei as the Asai already does,

Ôtomo Sorin

Ravie

12-04-2007, 02:44

Open letter to the Shogun

Lord Asai will wait for a response from the Shogun to Lord Otomo before he response to your request.

Kagemusha

12-04-2007, 17:38

From Shogunate to Otomo Clan,

While Kitabatake did not accept the authority of Kanrei right away, they have not declared against Ashikaga Shogunate and have served as Shugo of Ise for many generations. Kitabatake was not the only clan to be slow to accept Miyoshi as Kanrei.
Which is worse crime: To be slow to accept changes, or to invade peaceful provinces? Is Otomo Sorin suggesting that Ashikaga Shogunate only serves the will of Miyoshi Chokei?
About the situation between Ruyzoji, Akizuki and Otomo. Was it not Otomo Clan that demanded both Ruyzoji and Akizuki to submit to the authority of Otomo, would Otomo declare war, if such demand would be done to them by some other Shugo?

representative of Shogunate

Revolting Friendship

12-04-2007, 19:46

Is Otomo Sorin suggesting that Ashikaga Shogunate only serves the will of Miyoshi Chokei?

Indeed I do. The lack of conscequence in your actions has proven it time and time again.

The Ôtomo clan would not declare war upon a proposal of vassalship, unless we were overly eager for an excuse to do so. We are not and will never be. We would however declare war if hostile armies crossed into our borders. The words of a rival Daimyô does not harm my subjects without action put behind them.

Kitabatake silently stepped away while the Hatakeyama and the Tsutsui waged war on Miyoshi, he would not accept Miyoshi Chokei's office for the same reason. He would not stand up for the Shogunate and fight it's enemies.

When the Ito-clan of Kyûshû was engulfed in war against Sagara, for the solemn reason of them supporting Shogunal decrees and the appointment of the Kanrei, neither the Kanrei nor the Shogun spoke ONE WORD. One of your few loyal supporters was allowed to be destroyed without as much as a complaint! What did the Shogunate do instead? Issue decrees to promote the persecution of christians!

The Ito were too far away for you to care about, because they were not attacked by Miyoshi neighbours! You use your autority only to support the interests of your master, therefore I do not accept it! I care not if the Ito were destroyed because they were foolish enough to support weaklings, I will however care when said weaklings uses empty excuses to threaten their neighbours! The same has already happened to the Chosokabe. Wether their cause was just or not does not matter, the Kono was supported only so that Chosokabe would not grow into a threat against the Miyoshi.

I'm tired of witnessing this outrageus partiality! I demand that you redeem yourself and remove your pressure from the Asai. Your honour is at stake and that of Miyoshi Chokei. This is my final warning.

Kagemusha

12-04-2007, 21:05

To Otomo Clan from Ashikaga Shogunate,

So Otomo accuses the Shogunate of the wars in Kyushu? The Shogunate have to admit that it havent possessed instruments to deal with the rebellious clans of Kyushu for quite some time or support the loyal ones, but hopefully there will be change coming as Mori Motonari was granted the title of Kyushu Tandai. Otomo Sorin should not blame the Shogunate for his own policies to gain full control of Kyushu.
Could it be that his meddling in affairs of Kansai region is just agitation, so he could declare war to Miyoshi in order to invade Shikoku?
From Otomo´s earlier response, should we think that Otomo declares open rebellion against the Shogunate and should be classified as rebel and enemy of Shogunate?

representative of Shogunate

Revolting Friendship

12-04-2007, 22:47

To the Shogun from clan Ôtomo:

I have no personal interest in gaining land on the cost of Miyoshi, but I'm sure many other Daimyô have.

You may class me however you want, you now know I will not look upon either the Shogun or his Kanrei as friends or allies, if they choose to continue with their current policies.

This is not due to my expansionistic interests, this is due to my loud despise towards your administration. I've put my reasons on the table and anyone with eyes should be able to see that they are not groundless.

I'm well willing to submit myself to a Shogun who rules wisely and just. If your descisions reflected the best interest of Japan, I would swear my life to you, after all that is my job. I rule too many people to subject them to the inept whims of a shaky leader. Prove yourself as a ruler and I will prove myself as a subject,

Ôtomo Sorin

AggonyDuck

12-05-2007, 10:27

MobileTroop

12-06-2007, 15:21

Hm,I like to take Hojo if I can.

AggonyDuck

12-06-2007, 15:35

Isn't two clans enough for you?

IrishArmenian

12-06-2007, 16:06

Ducky, have you any evidence to back this up? This is a game and people like to have fun with it.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

12-06-2007, 16:14

Isn't two clans enough for you?

you mean 4? Because mabey Americancasear is mine also? I do not know Moblie Troop, Ducky. Only reason I am wondering is, even though I know Madden from MP, I had 1 or 2 people sign up on my BHC fourm and starting to make some comments, but I put a end to that fast. But just because Mobile signed up, doesn't mean it's me, a friend, or possbiely even someone who saw what you said a week or two ago and trying to set me up.

I'll look into it if that comforts you.

AggonyDuck

12-06-2007, 16:35

Nope, it is very hard to find solid evidence about multiple accounts. It is just funny that when the other account I suspected to be run by Warman also ends up signing up for this IH. Too much of a coincidence for my taste anyway.

Anyway, I suppose you're correct about the game being about fun and in the end if three clans is more fun for him than one clan, then he is free to do so as I am free to announce my suspicions about it.

As to americanceasar, he does in no way fit in the same mold as Warman, Madden and Mobile do. The similarities are too great between the three of them for me to ignore. I actually stumbled upon Mobile by accident when checking out if my suspicion about Madden was founded or not, and actually put him down as a possible another account for Warman, which is why I reacted this way when he signed up.

Ravie

12-07-2007, 13:45

Thats low Warman... real low... shame you got busted though !

Prince Cobra

12-07-2007, 16:08

I thought it was common knowledge that the Shogunate only serves the will of Miyoshi Chokei, no matter what he tries to say to the contrary. Anyway I urge Asai to join me in my decision. Although losing a year's efforts is a waste, it is still better than fighting a war alone against a coalition that not even an Oda-Asai alliance could hope to defeat. If you pull back now there might still be a chance that a favorable agreement is agreed upon that wouldn't make our efforts an utter waste. Any attempt to fight can only end in ruin and you know this as well as I do.

Oda Nobunaga

You urge Asai to a conflict with us, neh? Was not Kyoto what you want, Oda Nobunaga? And of course you must pass through Asai. How will you achieve this: by playing the one against the another! Then the two of us are easy to be picked. We admit your diplomacy is very skilful, Oda Nobunaga!

The wish of the Shogun is my command. But the word we gave to ally, loyal servant of the Shogun is too. And Asai Nagamasa still is. This was the reason to ask for compromise. Both sides should receive something and give something otherwise the peace will not be stable! But some people are trying to use to show we are threat to Asai. Is this what you call backstabbing, Sorin!

AggonyDuck

12-07-2007, 16:25

You urge Asai to a conflict with us, neh? Was not Kyoto what you want, Oda Nobunaga? And of course you must pass through Asai. How will you achieve this: by playing the one against the another! Then the two of us are easy to be picked. We admit your diplomacy is very skilful, Oda Nobunaga!

The wish of the Shogun is my command. But the word we gave to ally, loyal servant of the Shogun is too. And Asai Nagamasa still is. This was the reason to ask for compromise. Both sides should receive something and to keep something otherwise the peace will not be stable! But some people are trying to use to show we are threat to Asai. Is this what you call backstabbing, Sorin!

If you had actually bothered to read what I said, you would had noticed that I actually urged Asai to follow the words of your puppet. I did not urge him to fight you, which would be suicidal both with or without my support. As to playing you against Asai, that would not be skillful diplomacy. It would only result in an even stronger Miyoshi right next to Owari, which is not a position I want to find myself in. Also if you had bothered to read what I said, you would had noticed that I actually asked him to withdraw while a compromise is still possible. It is far better to gain something atleast than to waste thousands of lives in a futile attempt to resist the will of the Kanrei and lose everything in the end.

As to your hint that I want to have Kyoto, nothing could be further from the truth at the moment. I am not in a position to seize it by force and even if it was given to me as a gift, I would not have the strength to protect it. I have been forced to abandon most of my ambitions and currently my only goal is to ensure that the Oda clan continues to exist as an independent clan.

Oda Nobunaga

Ravie

12-07-2007, 16:48

Im confused by your words Miyoshi,,, why do you feel i am threatened by Oda ?

Why did you not fear for me when Asakura had 8,000 men on my border? Asakura is openly agressive and Oda is helping me to meet my goals, yet Oda is the one i should fear.

You mix your words miyoshi

And wat compromise's did you offer that were *acceptable* to all parties?

Asai Nagamasa

Prince Cobra

12-07-2007, 17:52

If you had actually bothered to read what I said, you would had noticed that I actually urged Asai to follow the words of your puppet. I did not urge him to fight you, which would be suicidal both with or without my support. As to playing you against Asai, that would not be skillful diplomacy. It would only result in an even stronger Miyoshi right next to Owari, which is not a position I want to find myself in. Also if you had bothered to read what I said, you would had noticed that I actually asked him to withdraw while a compromise is still possible. It is far better to gain something atleast than to waste thousands of lives in a futile attempt to resist the will of the Kanrei and lose everything in the end.

As to your hint that I want to have Kyoto, nothing could be further from the truth at the moment. I am not in a position to seize it by force and even if it was given to me as a gift, I would not have the strength to protect it. I have been forced to abandon most of my ambitions and currently my only goal is to ensure that the Oda clan continues to exist as an independent clan.

Oda Nobunaga

We of the Miyoshi have no ambitions to reach to Owari! You mean we are ready to attack our ally Asai Nagamasa? Do you mean it is a good policy for me to attack my allies? Who will trust us then?

Nobunaga, you called the Shogun puppet! Could you realize what you are saying!

Nagamasa, do you think it is good to have as an ally a person who has no honour and uses his ally's armies as a bate? Or not standing on his word when offering peace? Or dreaming for... Kyoto and rejects it at the same time?

IrishArmenian

12-07-2007, 18:10

Miyoshi, if the Shogun is indeed not your puppet, then he can speak for himself, yes?
You must approve of all his doings, and that makes Clan Date suspicious...of a number of things.

Prince Cobra

12-07-2007, 18:43

Miyoshi, if the Shogun is indeed not your puppet, then he can speak for himself, yes?
You must approve of all his doings, and that makes Clan Date suspicious...of a number of things.

Well, we left with the impression they were asking me. As far as Shogun is concerned, we are Kanrei and we should often make statements. The Shogun, as you can see, speak when he thinks higher authority is needed. The clan Date has always been suspicious to us, we think, since we are Kanrei. We would miss the fact of that alliance you proposed us with quite unconvincing reasons. :bow:

AggonyDuck

12-07-2007, 20:19

I suppose the word puppet is the wrong one to describe the Shôgun. He is free to say whatever he wants, but it will only be enforced when it suits the enforcer called Miyoshi Chokei. He might not be a puppet, but he is an emasculated man. A man of words, but no action. Words alone mean nothing without a blade behind them to make them reality. Words without a sword are powerless and a man without a sword is powerless. Ashikaga Yoshiaki is a man without a sword of his own and hence commands neither fear or respect in the men he is supposed to rule over. As long as we are ruled by a man who does not wield a sword of his own, the Shogunate will remain a mere charade.

Oda Nobunaga

AggonyDuck

12-07-2007, 20:28

Are we still waiting on the decisions from someone?

Kagemusha

12-07-2007, 20:36

Are we still waiting on the decisions from someone?

Yes we are.Im still waiting orders from Asai, Uesugi, Satake, Satomi and Date.Please hurry up guys!:smash:

IrishArmenian

12-07-2007, 20:57

I'm waiting for Marshal to answer my PM. If he doesn't in two days, I'll just make another move.

Revolting Friendship

12-07-2007, 23:27

OOC:

Since so little changed during winter, I will wait to update the map to spring.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

12-08-2007, 16:29

I apolgies for making the secondary accounts. Deeply sadded for doing it, since I was told by other people I should not have did it. I will not explain why I did it,since it won't help me.
My Apoglies,all I can say. I will accpect any Punishment that is toss my way.

I like to Thank AggonyDucky for catching me red-handed. Because it was for the best:yes:

Also, Take me off of the Jap IH Play List. I am leaving .org anyhow (not because of this!) because of CTS in my wrists, and won't be able to play.

Kagemusha

12-08-2007, 17:37

Ok. I hope the thing is settled now and wellcome back Warman,when you get your wrists back in shape.:yes: So Takeda and Yamana are free for an player also. Now to the players who have single account and seem to use it also. Im still waiting for the Eastern Lords and Asai´s decisions. Please do hurry up. I think two weeks cycle should be more then enough for to make your decisions. If i will get your decisions today or tomorrow the next chapter should be up tomorrow evening. :smash:

Tiberius of the Drake

12-08-2007, 18:32

my answer will be in tonight. srry very busy RL

Revolting Friendship

12-08-2007, 20:54

OOC:

Yes, lets get this show on the road. I suspect the next chapter could be very, very exciting! :yes:

AntiWarman:

It'd be fine with everyone if you come play again I'm sure. But do please stick with one account next time. ;) Hope you get better dude.

Ravie

12-09-2007, 00:04

Decisions were sent early this morning kage ???

Kagemusha

12-09-2007, 00:30

Sorry havent got em. Could you re send them.:yes:

Ravie

12-09-2007, 01:04

Sent

Kagemusha

12-09-2007, 01:18

Sent

:bow: Now just Satake,Satomi and Date and we will get the next chapter. I doubt there has been so many things happening in any chapter before.:smash:

Tiberius of the Drake

12-09-2007, 02:54

sent :bow:

Edit:w00t! 300th post

Wundai

12-09-2007, 10:10

'Offtopic'

Kage, could you check you mail (TWC/Hotmail)

thanks

Kagemusha

12-09-2007, 16:46

Waiting for honourable Date to reach his decisions. OOC: Wundai, pm answered.:yes:

IrishArmenian

12-09-2007, 19:18

Moves sent.

Kagemusha

12-09-2007, 23:46

Chapter 9. Spring 1562

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Tensions that have been gathering trough out the winter explode,like mighty rivers which roam down the mountainsides, wild from the water melted from the snow of winter.
On cold April morning. Otomo Sorin, the leader of mighty Otomo clan receives a suprise guest. Sorin who has prepaired for a final battle against Akizuki clan with his Shimazu allies is relieved when he hears the news. A retainer of Akizuki Tanezane informs him, that the Daimyo of Akizuki has committed seppuku and the rest of the clan has decided to surrender.
It seems that the struggle over the hegemony of Kyushu island has ended in complete victory for the alliance of Otomo and Shimazu.
While war in Kyushu is over, The shipyards of Shimazu and Otomo clan´s keep pushing out new ships through out the Spring. Otomo Sorin sends 400 koku to Isshiki, in order to help restore the damages occurred during the Yamamna raids on the Isshiki lands during winter. Last Sorin sends 5000 of his men under Ôtomo Yoshimune to aid the Mori contingent in the siege of Urakami capital, Tenjiyama.

During early Spring Mori Motonari decides to visit the old Ouchi capital Yamaguchi castle in Suo province. The aged Daimyo admires the beutifull view, which opens up from one of the castles many balcony´s.

"It was only 5 years a go,when this castle was still in hands of the Ouchi clan. Now its mine, but i wonder who owns this castle after next five years have passed. Well everything has been set on motion and nothing can stop the tide of fate anymore. May Bishamonten save our clan and grant us victory against our enemies."

The 64 year old leader of Mori clan shrugs his shoulders and walks back inside where the sea wind cant chill his old bones.

As Motonari predicted, things start to happen and none by chance. After the Otomo force has arrived to join the siege of the Urakami capital, Mori sends an negotiator to the castle.
Ankokuki Ekei, a monk,senior retainer and chief diplomat of Mori clan, enters Tenjiyama castle on 6th may. Inside he meets the head retainers of Urakami, lead by one Ukita Naoie. Almost, if not as powerfull lord as Urakami Munekage himself, who has been sick and cant join the negotiations.
Instead of formalities Ekei ask´s a simple question from the retainers around him.

"Are you ready? The time has come."

The Urakami retainers nod as if they understand perfectly the question without further explanations. After a short eye contact between Ekei and Ukita Naoie, the Monk says.

"Good."

And leaves the room and the castle.
The following night just before down , all hell brakes loose around Tenjiyama. Every teppo and Yumi bow Urakami can muster, opens up barrage of led and fire arrows against the surrounding army. The alarms sound trough out the camp of besiegers.
As the Amako and Yamana samurai and Ashigarus rush towards the ramparts to fight back the Urakami sally, they are in for a terrible suprise.
The artillery batteries and teppos of Mori and Otomo warriors open up fire from behind and flanks of the rushing columns of Amako and Yamana warriors causing complete chaos. During the early hours of the night the Mori and Otomo warriors have quietly overtaken the key defense positions killing the guards and now the besieging army is being shot and attacked from multiple directions. As the Amako and Yamana forces cant tell apart from friends and foes in the darkness the battle soon turns into a giant rout.
In the dawn of the following morning, the besieging army has been scattered to North and West and all that Amako and Yamana commanders can do is to send their Tsukai ban messengers to collect the men from the countryside. The castle is now once more free, altough the master may have changed.
As the sun raises,Urakami Munekage is found dead inside the castle, a clear cut from katana running from his neck to his waist.
Ukita Naoie assumes the command of the castle as most of the defenders were his men and Urakami Munekage didnt have a heir. So the new lords of Bizen are the Ukita.
Losses on the battle are rather insignificant compared to the numbers that participated. Amako losses are about 3000 men while Yamana losses about 1000. The combined losses of Mori, Otomo and Ukita are just few hundred men. While the losses of lives are comparatively light for Amako and Yamana, the loss of all their cannons hurts the future efforts of those clans. After few days, Amako has been able to rally his army and remains in North Western Bizen the rest of the season with about 17000 men under Amako Yoshihisa. Yamana rallies also their troops and marches with their remaining troops to Eastern Mimasaka the total force now numbering about 9000 men.
The combined force of Ukita, Mori and Otomo number about 20000 men with 5 cannons.
At the following morning of the battle of Tenjiyama castle. Kikkawa Motoharu receives orders and additional men from Mori Motonari in order to invade Eastern Iwami. With the advance he has in form of surprise Motoharu pushes the 5000 strong Amako army out from Eastern Iwami during the Spring months, causing about 1000 casulties to Amako while suffering about 500 himself.
After receiving all the bad news around his domain the leader of Amako clan,Amako Haruhisa falls seriously ill. The doctors are not sure whether the 48 year old warrior will be able to survive his condition.

In central Japan, Matsunaga Hisahide is appointed as governor of Awaji by Miyoshi Chokei. The new governor doesnt reach further then Sakai in Settsu as he receives grim news from his new province. It has been overrun.
Japanese Wakou pirates have been observing for quite some time that the garrison of the island has been diminishing and during night of may 4th, a thousand strong Wakou party, with 10 ships, surprise the small and isolated garrison, thus taking control of the whole island. Matsunaga Hisahide reports the news to his master and waits for orders, how to proceed with the situation.

In Ise. The proud Kitabatake clan have survived the winter confined in the inner defenses of Anotsu castle. After diplomatic effort trough out the winter, Kitabatake Harumoto is hopefull for relief force to arrive. On early April, a part of besieging Oda army marches away to the North, thus giving hope to the defenders that Oda or Asai has been attacked by some third party. After week of waiting suddenly the large dark green flags of Miyoshi appear in the western horizon. A battle ensues and it seems that the Miyoshi force is driving straight trough the Oda defensive line. After some time the Oda camp with its supplies is set on fire.
This is a signal for general sally of Kitabatake forces. Harumoto leading personally the force, quickly runs over the Oda rearguard and moves his forces through the burning Oda camp. What happens next is the largest and last surprise that the Kitabatake Daimyo has witnessed. As the Kitabatake force comes out from the smoke, the truth reveals itself.
All they have witnessed has been a fake fight between Oda and Asai troops disguised as Miyoshi warriors. At the same time the rear guard forces of Kitabatake informs that Iga men that have been part of the Oda army have scaled the inner walls of Anotsu and occupied the gates.
A grim smile appears on Kitabatake Harumotos face and he says with silent voice.

"So be it."

Next he orders his son Tomonori to gather all the remaining mounted samurais and brake trough Oda lines and ride to capital and seek refuge from there. There is no time for argument as the Oda force attacks from in front and flanks of the Kitabatake men. Last thing that Kitabatake Tomonori hears after riding a circle and turning south from the battle in order to evade the Oda is his fathers voice.

"Avenge your father, son! Avenge!"

Kitabatake men fight to the last surrounded by the enemy, they fight back against back in tightening circle. Kitabatake Harumoto meets his destiny after he has been stabbed by numerous spears. Each time he gets up from the mud the old warrior is stabbed by another spear, arrow or bullet. Until he lies dead surrounded by his men on the mud. The women inside the castle are captured by the Iga men before they have time to kill themselves and their children or to set the castle ablaze. The victory for Oda is complete and after long hardships Anotsu castle is theirs.
But only the following morning after the battle a messenger arrives from Owari. 20000 strong army of Asakura and Saito lead by Asakura Kagetaka has marched to Owari and surrounded Kiyosu. The defenders received warnings from Asai scouts, but the enemy was too strong to meet in open battle. It seems that while Oda Nobunaga was successful on taking Anotsu, now he has to think ways to prevent his own capital from falling to hands of others.

During early Spring Tokaido coast between Imagawa and Tokugawa is silent, but the same cant be said about the roads from Suruga to Sagami. Column after column of men march towards the Hojo domain. Same kind of things are appening in central Shinano, while Uesugi Kenshin moves his main army from Echigo to Northern Shinano. Shingen sends large forces commanded by Yamamoto Kansuke to Musashi.

In Musashi the artillery of Satake and Satomi pound relentlessly the walls of Kawagoe, creating terrible casulties to the defenders. after month and half of bombardment the Hojo garrison has suffered 3000 casulties and all but strongest outer defenses have been pounded to dust. Satake and Satomi decide to leave the overall command of the combined army to Satake Yoshiaki. He commands the force to stay alert as there is large possibility of Hojo sending an relief force.
And on May 15th it arrives. Hojo Ujiyasu has mustered every man he can got hold of during the winter and during middle day of may 15th the five lucky colours, the war flags of Hojo appear on on the western horizon. The Hojo army marches as solid formation with the cavalry on it rear numbering in total 23300 men. The Satake and Satomi main forces are situated on small hills both North East and South East from the Kawagoe castle, with smaller number of allied troops entrenched around the castle.
Ujiyasu marches straight towards the castle, slowly dividing his army to two large blocks as he tends to march from both sides and to leave the castle in between the blocks.
Satake Yoshiaki orders his cannons from the hill positions to open fire against the approaching Hojo troops. The cannon fire tears terrible wounds to the ranks of the Hojo, but Ujiyasu is everywhere riding back and forth in front of his troops rallying the troops where ever the ranks start to falter.
Satake Yoshiaki watches in disbelief as the Hojo marches straight into his cannon and teppo fire and says to Satomi Yoshitaka who is next to him.

"Ujiyasu seems to gone mad. We outnumber his force and he is marching just under our noses. Should we encircle him and be done with him?

As Satomi Yoshitaka grins, the two are interrupted. A messenger rides to the commanding post in full gallop, yelling.

"Imagawa flags on the left!"

As the Hojo force has taken the attention of Satake and Satomi, Imagawa guided by local Hojo warriors have marched his 10000 men carefully concealed on the left flank of the allies and are about to attack. As Yoshiaki and Yoshitaka discuss orders to defeat this new thread another messenger rides in, this time arrow sticking on his back. The rider grumbless down from his horse and gasps.

"Takeda! Takeda on the right."

Takeda forces under Yamamoto Kansuke,also numbering about 10000 have made another pincer to the right flank of allies, with strong cavalry contingent as vanguard. Satomi Daimyo addresses the Satake daimyo.

"Their forces are still apart from each other. Maybe we can crush their center and then it will be easy to destroy the separate wings?"

Satake Yoshiaki loos to the ground for a bit, then points to the Kawagoe castle and says.

"Look my friend. There is their center. Ujiyasu is throwing our troops of from both sides from the castle as Imagawa and Takeda are flanking us. There is 10000 more of Hojo men in the castle ready to join the fray. Attack is not an option. We must withdraw and fight another day."

Quickly Satomi Yoshitaka understands the situation and a general retreat is ordered. Before the battle the allies already moved part of their cannons to the rear in order to deploy them elsewhere if needed. The two daimyos are happy now about the situation. Yoshiaki orders the vanguard with cannons to delay the advance of Hojo while he leaves the extremes of his flanks to do the same to Imagawa and Takeda while the main army retreats from the double envelopment. As Hojo forces reach the sides of the castle the garrison sallies and soon after Takeda cavalry attacks the cannon positions from behind. The hill position is taken with relative ease and the three commanders meet in the ex command post of Yoshiaki.
Takeda commander Yamamoto Kansuke suggests that the cavalry forces should pursuit the enemy´s main force but Hojo Ujyasu rejects that. He points his command staff to the field under their eyes patched with dead Hojo ashigaru and samurais and says.

"There lies enough of my men already. We have defeated Satake and Satomi and freed the castle. This is no time to invade them, specially because they still have lots of men in their disposal to garrison their castles."

Satake casulties in the battle are about 4000 men while Satomi looses 3000. So combined casulties for their army is about 7000 men. The casulties come mostly from the delaying troops.
On the other side Hojo losses are about 4000, while Takeda 600 and Imagawa around 500 men. In total about 5100 men. But nevertheless Musashi is back in Hojo hands the winner gains 6 cannons and it is decided that those should be left in defense of castle.
While Satake and Satomi withdraw in good order to Kazusa. Majority of the coalition army starts quickly marching towards Shinano. While Hojo leaves 10000 men garrison to defend Kawagoe.

In Kozuke, Date Harumune is about to order his 4000 men to move into Northern Shinano in support of Uesugi, but before he is able to march out, he receives grim news from home. Nanbu has broken peace.
In early Spring the daimyo of Nanbu clan,Harumasa . Gathers the rulling retainers of the clan to an an meeting and declares his agenda for the new year.

"Date wages war in South with Mogami and Ashina, gathering new lands. Our clan has been blocked here in North and as our neighbours neglect to protect their lands we will conquer them. Under the mandate from Ashikaga Shogun, as the Shugo of Mutsu i declare war to Date and will put their lands under our control."

The Nanbu army marches out on middle April, first brushing aside the Date forces in central Dewa, who badly outnumbered withdraw to Date capital Sendai. Nanbu leaves a force of 2000 men to secure central Dewa,while the rest 7000 men march to Sendai and place it under siege.
After receiving the news Date Harumune march quickly to Southern part of Date lands and remain there for the rest of the season thinking of ways to counter the Nanbu invasion.

The deadline for orders for summer 1562 is, Sunday 23rd of December.

The info pm´s will arrive tomorrow evening.:sweatdrop:

woad&fangs

12-10-2007, 01:22

I would like to take the Takugawa if that is possible. I don't know anything about Japanese history but this looks like a very well run and enjoyable game.

seireikhaan

12-10-2007, 01:34

The two daimyos are happy now about the situation.
Argh, not nearly as happy as I could have been.:angry:

Ravie

12-10-2007, 01:53

Kage .... your just awesome man !!

Open Letter to all Japan

Clan Asai wishes to pay its respect to the great Kitabatake Huramoto, the Fox of Ise. In another time perhaps we would have been allies if we hadnt been brought to war for the sake of Asai's Honour.

Asai Nagamasa

Seign Thelas

12-10-2007, 02:14

Indeed. The Mori bow to the respectable death of Starfox.

:sweatdrop:

AggonyDuck

12-10-2007, 03:15

Brilliant update again Kage! This is truly becoming something quite special! :2thumbsup:

Revolting Friendship

12-10-2007, 03:49

OOC:
I was on needles throughout the entire update, awesome show! Thanks a million Kage for this high-quality entertainment! :bounce:

Tiberius of the Drake

12-10-2007, 04:35

Open letter to all Japan:

I Satake Yoshiaki, the Fox of Shimotsuke, would like to commend Lord Hojo on a battle well fought, and his cunning use of strategy. If the times were different, I think I would like to meet you and become firends. But, Alas! the times we live in prevents us from doing so. So to a worthy Enemy, I wish a good life and a glorious death

Lord Satake Yoshiaki, Fox of Shimotsuke

Revolting Friendship

12-10-2007, 04:46

From Ôtomo Sorin to the people of Chikuzen:

Former subjects of the late Akizuki Tanezane,
I am deeply moved by your Lords descision to finally take pity on his soldiers, like a father takes pity on his sons and lays down his life for them. I am relieved to have deprived no father of his sons, and no sons of their fathers. Your late Lord will recieve the full custom of a traditional buddhist funeral, may he still be gathered to his ancestors in peace.

Please, follow your late Lords example, and lets end the bloodshed us between by putting rivalry aside, and dedicate our mind to our loved ones and not our enemies. Kyûshû is finally united and will now know peace. I will show you all the meaning of benevolence; I will rule you justly and lead you wisely.
As a gesture of good will, I will give all subjects of Chikuzen a fifty percent taxcut for this year.

Please use this break to tend to your families and strenghten your lands, so that we may all prosper together.
Soldiers of Chikuzen, please return to your families in peace, your Lord has restored honour to all of you and himself. Bear no shame.

Open letter from Ôtomo Sorin to Amako Haruhisa:

Môri Motonari is a trusted friend of mine. I have decided to support my friend, seeing how his position is strained. Now the odds will be even, and the struggle will bring great honour to the victor. But I will also pray that a resolution may come swiftly, so that this war does not become too great a burden on the people of Japan.
I shall also pray for the recovery of Amako Haruhisa, so that he may lead his loyal soldiers to battle.

IrishArmenian

12-10-2007, 16:17

The treachery of the Nanbu! I knew we should've destroyed them! Completely devoid of honour, the filthy Nanbu reveal their true selves.
OOC: Love the update, Kage!

Kagemusha

12-10-2007, 16:48

I would like to take the Takugawa if that is possible. I don't know anything about Japanese history but this looks like a very well run and enjoyable game.

Hi!
You dont have to know much about Japanese history to play the game. Hopefully you will learn bit by playing it. You should check carefully the first post of this thread. There are the rules and also maps that show where the clans are situated. The available clans you can see from my sig. After checking the map carefully you should decide your clan. If its still Tokugawa or some of the others, i will send you your starting info this evening when others will get their information pm´s for this season. I can tell you that Tokugawa is not the easiest option from all these clans, but then in the end im not sure what is.
Also guys, thanks for the compliments. It makes me happy to see you enjoying yourselves with this humble game.:bow:

AggonyDuck

12-10-2007, 18:13

A message to Miyoshi Chokei:

To my surprise the head of Kitabatake Tomonori wasn't among the ones presented to be after the battle. This leads me to believe that he has managed to escape the battle at Anotsu. I believe if he will search for refuge anywhere, it will be among you. Thus why I am sending him this letter through you.

I was able to stop the families of your warriors from killing themselves and I am thus in possession of them. I have no wish to use women and children as bargaining bricks, so I wish to know what you want me to do with them. You are the remaining head of the Kitabatake clan and it is your duty to decide what is to be their fate. I am willing to send them to Kyoto under an armed escort or Asai Nagamasa will grant them refuge in the Shima peninsula. Other options are possible too if you wish to inform me of them.

Finally I wish to offer my condolences about your father. He was an opponent unlike any I've ever faced before and it is a shame to see him perish. My deepest regret is that you did not accept my offer of peace, because a lot of bloodshed could had been avoided.

Oda Nobunaga

woad&fangs

12-11-2007, 01:24

I checked the map and I still think that I'll stick with the Tokugawa.

Tiberius of the Drake

12-11-2007, 03:31

when can we expect sit reps about our well...situations Kage?

IrishArmenian

12-11-2007, 05:56

Ashikaga! You dog! This is the last straw. We know that you ordered the Uesugi to attack us, annihilate clan Date but we have loyal, honourable and noble friends in the Uesugi, the rightful rulers of Echigo and Shinao, that you did not count on! Still, you are just that, a dog, lead around by your masters, the Miyoshi!
Clan Nanbu, your treachery is unheard of! You were one of the nine, we gave you Tendo land, we did not seek battle with you!

Kagemusha

12-11-2007, 15:31

Sorry for keeping you guys waiting a bit. Something came up yesterday evening, but you will get your infos during the next six hours, from west to east as usual. W&F, so then Tokugawa it is.:smash:

Ravie

12-11-2007, 17:26

With my Sit rep can you give me details of my new territory Kage,,, consolidation etc.. how long before i can draw men from Ise etc... and give me a complete layout of my forces.. and there whereabouts

Thanks

CountArach

12-11-2007, 22:01

Just so everyone knows, I have returned and will resume playing. Thanks Kage.

Kagemusha

12-11-2007, 23:33

All the situation and starting pm´s have been sent. :bow: americancaesar and woad&fangs, welcome to the game!:smash:

Ravie

12-12-2007, 00:11

Ahhh kage any chance of resending me my starting pm on basically province surrounding me, and man power etc etc

i seem to have lost it :S

Welcome Caesar and Woad... also welcome bck Arach

Kagemusha

12-12-2007, 00:25

Ahhh kage any chance of resending me my starting pm on basically province surrounding me, and man power etc etc

i seem to have lost it :S

Welcome Caesar and Woad... also welcome bck Arach

Just did.Dont loose it again,there is some valuable info in it.:smash:

Ravie

12-12-2007, 00:29

Thanks

Tiberius of the Drake

12-12-2007, 01:04

OOC: welcome all new players! btw Arach what daimyo were you agian?
OOC2: Is there an updated map in the works

IC:Open letter to the Nanbu Daimyo:

How dare you betray a friend of mine who, and yours I might remind you, was so generous to not destory you and your people. You have envoked the wrath of a dangerous enemy and his allies. Therefore, until you either surrender or lie dying on the field of battle, the merchants, diplomats, or any peasant of your domain will not be allowed in my lands. This decision of betrayal will lead to your ultimated downfall.

Lord Yoshiaki Satake, Fox of Shimotsuke

CountArach

12-12-2007, 10:41

OOC: welcome all new players! btw Arach what daimyo were you agian?
Asakura.

King Kurt

12-14-2007, 13:56

Statement from the Lord Amako

We totally condemn the treacherous acts of the Mori. Despite our open and generous actions of sharing our conquests they have paid this back with a stab in the back. They are truely without honour and a disgrace to Bushido.

In light of this we declare the following:
1) We declare never-ending blood feud on the Mori and their supporters. Only the death of the last clan member of either clan will end it.
2) The dishonorable actions of the Mori have brought shame to all believers of Bushido. To cleanse this dishonour we demand the execution of the Daimyo of the Mori clan. To any body who achieves this and brings us evidence, we promise a payment of 5,000 Koku for this service to Bushido.
3) The warriors of Mori are partners in this dishonour - they are all sentenced to death. Those who wish to avoid this fate may join the ranks of the Amako. Those who do not will be hunted down by all the clan Amako - be that soldier, priest, peasant, man, woman or child.
The actions of the Mori have brought dishonor on their lands and their people. It will bring fire, storm, death to their provinces. Perhaps their people should reflect on the actions of their lizard like rulers and act accordingly.

We will enter into no dialogue with the Mori on this matter - this is the last word on the matter from the Clan Amako.

seireikhaan

12-14-2007, 14:17

"Date wages war in South with Mogami and Ashina, gathering new lands. Our clan has been blocked here in North and as our neighbours neglect to protect their lands we will conquer them. Under the mandate from Ashikaga Shogun, as the Shugo of Mutsu i declare war to Date and will put their lands under our control."
So, the Shogun now is demanding its governors declare war upon one another?:inquisitive:

Seign Thelas

12-14-2007, 17:20

Well, obviously we had no intention of talking to you, Lord Amako. Why do you think we handed your ass to you?

Kagemusha

12-14-2007, 17:40

Message from the Ashikaga Shogunate

About the affair of Mutsu province. Shogunate named Nanbu Harumasa as Shugo of Mutsu last winter, in another words the military governor of Ashikaga Shogunate in Mutsu province. The Shogunate will not interfere on how the Shogo´s rule their provinces and have nothing to do with Nanbu attacking Date, who is technically retainer of Nanbu, as this Clan lives in Mutsu. To attack Date was the decision of Nanbu and Shogunate did not order that attack.

About the disturbing developments in Kinai region. Shogunate will not comment the situation, but leaves it to the Kanrei, Miyoshi Chokei, to comment when he is ready to make statements about the issues happening in the region.

Representative of Shogunate

IrishArmenian

12-16-2007, 04:23

Retainers of the Nanbu! How insulting! We would prefer not to suffer such insults.
Clan Nanbu, know this: as you paid but lip service to the Northern Lords, we were fighting, supporting our brothers. We gave you Tendo land, after doing a majority of the fighting, and this is how you repay us? In treacherous betrayl? We shall strike swiftly, like a fire carried by a Kamikaze! Your clan shall lie in ruin!

Seign Thelas

12-16-2007, 19:46

Sending my orders later on today.

IrishArmenian

12-16-2007, 23:44

Oh yeah, forgot to post: orders sent.

Tiberius of the Drake

12-17-2007, 00:43

Srry my orders will be in by tm night by the latest.

Seign Thelas

12-17-2007, 00:47

All sent.

Tiberius of the Drake

12-17-2007, 03:41

orders sent