Sengoku Jidai, Japanese interactive History

[Prince Cobra]

Words can not express my grief,
for my fortune was robbed by a thief.
But the enemy shall pay
and I will expect this day.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Not this day Toyosada, not at this place.
None the less, the death of my brave vassal Norimatsu Nobukatsu stings me no less, I'm sure, than that wound to your shoulder. I wish that I could have died beside him, chasing your head. I grieve greatly over this. But I did not have time to die on that beach. I have much left to do before my time in this life is over.

OOC:
Awesome chapter Kage. Could hardly read it from all the excitement. :laugh4:

Oh of course Sorin, I know you was to much of a coward to stay and fight. You are a coward, besides being a rebel. I am still alive, and happliy for me, at least your vassal was killed. So I am somewhat happy.


We will fight one day, now, no, but one day Sorin.


Lord Yamana Toyosada

[Prince Cobra]

I, Kanrei of Nippon, appeal for the aid or condolnces for my loss from any daimyo that still considers himself to be loyal of the Shogunate or hesitates which side in the present conflict to take. My own daughter was left as widow by the rebel called Oda Nobunaga and the scum of a dog called Asai Nagamasa. I will accept and will not forget anybody who decides to give his hand to the Miyoshi in this hour of need.

Miyoshi Chokei

This could be also done via pm. :bow:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I, Kanrei of Nippon, appeal for the aid or condolnces for my loss from any daimyo that still considers himself to be loyal of the Shogunate or hesitates which side in the present conflict to take. My own daughter was left as widow by the rebel called Oda Nobunaga and the scum of a dog called Asai Nagamasa. I will accept and will not forget anybody who decides to give his hand to the Miyoshi in this hour of need.

Miyoshi Chokei




I am deeply sadded Kanrei. Oda, Otomo,Asai Nagamasa and their rebels allies must be brought to justice. I, Lord Yaman Toyosada am still loyal to the Shogunate and will help deafet these dogs anyway I can. I am sure Lord Amako, Mori and Ukita feel the same!


May Budda Damn them!


Lord Yamana Toyosada

[Paradox]

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Kenshin. Such a sly and dishonorable move, you should know better. If you wish to engage with my army, have the courage to perform it traditionally like old times. Despite your insolence, I see you have taken this fight to the next level, I look forward to our next battles, that is, if you are still the Dragon of Echigo that I knew.

Takeda Shingen, Daizen-Daibu

[Revolting Friendship]

Oh of course Sorin, I know you was to much of a coward to stay and fight. You are a coward, besides being a rebel.

I'm brave enough to be called a coward for doing what I had to do. I will not risk the stability of my clan by dying needlessly. That is not courage, that is not virtue, that is waste and idiocy. I have other responsibilities than wielding my spear, no matter how much I wish to do it.

One day I may be in a situation where I have no other choice. This was not one of those days, but trust me when I say that I long for it.

Ôtomo Sorin

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Yes Sorin, that what you will say time and time after time again.

We will see if your comment is true or not.



Lord Yamana Toyosada

[Kagemusha]

Letter from Saito


I am mortified, because of the loss of my friend Asakura Yoshikage and to certain extent, it is sad that he gave his life during events that caused him to come to my aid. Asakura Yoshikage was a man of honour. When his long time ally and as he thought, friend, Asai Nagamasa allied with Oda and started ravaging the Kinai. Asakura stood firm and honoured his alliances. Honoured to the extent that he gave his life to honour those alliances. I will take a lesson from him and swear, that as long as my heart beats. I will not rest until the heads of Oda Nobunaga and Asai Nagamasa, will rot on pikes. Every day i shall pray for the death of those two, from war God Bishamonten.

Saito Yoshitatsu
Lord of Mino and Owari

[AggonyDuck]

Asakura brought his fate upon himself and you, Kanrei, chose to wage a war against me and my allies. Asakura felt threatened by me and my alliance with Asai Nagamasa, and decided to attack me while I was vulnerable. Now he has paid the price. As to you, Miyoshi Chokei, I hope you are prepared to sacrifice the things you hold dear, because no victory over me will be cheaply purchased, as my many enemies have already witnessed.

As to the other daimyo of Japan, once this conflict is over the victor will be mortally wounded and you will have the chance to perform the coup de grâce.

Oda Nobunaga

[Kagemusha]

Im sorry. You guys, except Shimazu, have to wait for your situation reports until tomorrow evening. Im too tired to write them today.:stwshame:

[Revolting Friendship]

OOC:
Don't stress about it Kage, you have given us more these past days than I was hoping for.

[Monk]

The way of the land is fast becoming the way of the sword, it is unfortunate those things that are cut down by its graceful pass and are lost forever. May the coming winter bring a chill that freezes the terrible conflict between Oda, the Kanrei and their allies. So that both sides may see reason. May it freeze as it would the blood in a warrior's veins.

Mogami Yoshimori
Lord of Central and Northern Dewa

OOC: Indeed, no worries Kage! ~D

[Marshal Murat]

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Kenshin. Such a sly and dishonorable move, you should know better. If you wish to engage with my army, have the courage to perform it traditionally like old times. Despite your insolence, I see you have taken this fight to the next level, I look forward to our next battles, that is, if you are still the Dragon of Echigo that I knew.

Most Noble Takeda Shingen,

If the Takeda daimyo wishes to fight me then he should lead his men to me. I will await your swords, and you shall die before me.

Uesugi Kenshin

[Prince Cobra]

Asakura brought his fate upon himself and you, Kanrei, chose to wage a war against me and my allies. Asakura felt threatened by me and my alliance with Asai Nagamasa, and decided to attack me while I was vulnerable. Now he has paid the price. As to you, Miyoshi Chokei, I hope you are prepared to sacrifice the things you hold dear, because no victory over me will be cheaply purchased, as my many enemies have already witnessed.

As to the other daimyo of Japan, once this conflict is over the victor will be mortally wounded and you will have the chance to perform the coup de grâce.

Oda Nobunaga

It was you who break the peace, Oda Nobunaga. It was your Shibata Katsuie (may he be reborn as a dog) that started this war. It was Asai Nagamasa who admired you and became your puppet.

Your words can mislead many people but not me. I know what your ambitions are. I congratulate you on your victory against Asakura Yoshikage. I hope it will be the last victory in your life, Oda Nobunaga.

[Kagemusha]

OOC: I am now writing the situation reports and the Kyushu daimyos already have theirs. The new income will arrive to your Clans after the next chapter. So disband any forces you dont want to maintain through out the next year at the end of the next season. Also remainder to old players and information to new players. Armies will march slower during winter, attrition is also lot bigger, thus armies out on the field will suffer and last movement of navies is more hazardous, because of winter storms.

EDIT: All the situation reports sent, except for Lord Hojo, who knows whats the reason behind that. Sorry Seign Thelas. But once you send me that pm i pm´d you about, youl get yours also.:smash:

[CountArach]

IC: *burns*

OOC: Thanks for the game everyone - though I started to get really lost towards the end there, I enjoyed it. I will not be coninuing with a different clan due to commitments at University and Work which I expect will be taking up progressively larger periods of my time over this coming year. So, thanks all again.

[Kagemusha]

IC: *burns*

OOC: Thanks for the game everyone - though I started to get really lost towards the end there, I enjoyed it. I will not be coninuing with a different clan due to commitments at University and Work which I expect will be taking up progressively larger periods of my time over this coming year. So, thanks all again.

Thanks for playing CA.:bow:

[Monk]

IC: *burns*

OOC: Thanks for the game everyone - though I started to get really lost towards the end there, I enjoyed it. I will not be coninuing with a different clan due to commitments at University and Work which I expect will be taking up progressively larger periods of my time over this coming year. So, thanks all again.

OOC:

I regret that I have joined too late to cross swords with you! :laugh4:

[Ravie]

Thanks for being a great adversary Arach, you may have done enough to kill myself and Ducky off... we shall see.

[Kagemusha]

So now that it seems that almost everybody has read their situation reports, would deadline of friday the 6th of March, be good?

[Revolting Friendship]

6th of march works fine with me

[AggonyDuck]

Yes, it's excellent.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

It's fine with me!


My birthday is March 11th, so hopefully the chapter is up by then and hopefully everything works out for Lord Yamana and our allies! :crown::crown:

[Monk]

So now that it seems that almost everybody has read their situation reports, would deadline of friday the 6th of March, be good?

OOC:

That's Perfect. I've got my moves out of the way. I fear when the 4th hits I wont be doing much thanks to ETW! :laugh4:

[AggonyDuck]

It was you who break the peace, Oda Nobunaga. It was your Shibata Katsuie (may he be reborn as a dog) that started this war. It was Asai Nagamasa who admired you and became your puppet.

Your words can mislead many people but not me. I know what your ambitions are. I congratulate you on your victory against Asakura Yoshikage. I hope it will be the last victory in your life, Oda Nobunaga.

I offered a sincere apology and a peace offer to Asakura for that incident, which he accepted. As to your insult to Shibata Katsuie; it is rather ironic that you insult him when you do not have a man in your ranks even worthy to stand in his shadow! His dedication and determination set an example for all of us and we will not rest until we can honour his memory back in Owari. When the snow withdraws, Shibata shall have his vengeange!

Oda Nobunaga

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Oda Dogunaga,


Congrats on your victory over Asakura Yoshikage. Your Rebel dog friend Otomo Sorin had his men injured me in battle and he escaped his early death. As you see, I am very proud of the wound I recieved. Because I know how close I came to killing him when Sorin's Retainer was killed, trying to get my head. That is what going to happen to you. We will come for your head.

Lord Yamana will come to get you. I'll personally send you to the Kanrei so he can decide your fate.



See you in on the Battlefield along with your dog rebels, Otomo Sorin, Asai Nagamasa, and anyone else I may have missed. Or see you in hell.


Lord Yamana Toyosada

[AggonyDuck]

I will look forward to meeting you on the field of battle and see how your foolish bravery will match my carefully crafted stratagems.

Oda Nobunaga

[AggonyDuck]

Also the Oda clan would like to congratulate Yamana Toyosada for another example of his legendary wit, which is only overshadowed by his absolutely brilliant command of military matters. We are still at awe of your famed heroic victory in Tango, and are meticulously studying every little detail of it in hopes of learning the true Art of War.

Oda Nobunaga

[Revolting Friendship]

As you see, I am very proud of the wound I recieved. Because I know how close I came to killing him when Sorin's Retainer was killed, trying to get my head. That is what going to happen to you. We will come for your head.

What, you mean you will go running cluelessly after Nobunaga as you did me, recieving another wound while seeing your objectives fail? Yes I very much suspect that is what would happen, by the very least.

The only thing you came close to Toyosada was being killed. I put 500 men aside to get your head, out of the 4500 men I sent strolling through your camp. Imagine where you'd be if I had dedicated only double of that to silence you.

Your entire operation was a massive failure. Not only did you fail to kill me and destroy my army, even while you outnumbered me many times over, you and your allies suffered about twice the casualties I did.
You have amounted to nothing aside from being a barking underdog of your neighbours, not once have you distinguished yourself. In light of this, why not let your more competent allies do the talking from now on?

Ôtomo Sorin

[King Kurt]

The Lord Otomo has an interesting view of his apparent victory. Apparently having the remnants of his army scattered over our lands with no support and his fleet half sunk with the rest spread across the seven seas is a great victory. True, the gallantry of your and your allies troops meant that our victory was not as great as it could have been - we obviously underestimated the desparation of a corned beast - so we acknowledge and honour those actions. However the bravery of these men has only delayed their fate, not averted it.

As to the Lord Yamana - we do not question his honour and bravery. Perhaps the only flaw in your plan was the wasting of 500 of your men in a friutless pursuit of the head of the Lord Yamana when they would have been better served assisting the escape of your desparate men. For a Lord you obviously hold in contempt, you pay him the ultimate complement of risking the whole attack with a senseless act of revenge. It seems his words have found a chink in your armour. In the theatre of life many people pay many parts - some seen, some unseen. Some parts appear unimportant but all play a part.

Otomo Sorin, you are a worthy adversery and I treat all adverseries with honour, as is deemed by the Bushido code. You would be wise to follow my lead and example. I wish you a good life till we meet on the field of battle.

The Lord Amako

[Revolting Friendship]

The Lord Otomo has an interesting view of his apparent victory. Apparently having the remnants of his army scattered over our lands with no support and his fleet half sunk with the rest spread across the seven seas is a great victory.

You must have mistaken one of the Môri fishing-villages for my camp, and their boats for my fleet, because I have no reference to what you are speaking of. However, it would only make sense, your clan is already renowned for ravaging peasants instead of fighting warriors. Indeed, throughout the battle, we saw few Amako banners at all. Are you sure you were at the right place?

Ôtomo Sorin

[Prince Cobra]

I will look forward to meeting you on the field of battle and see how your foolish bravery will match my carefully crafted stratagems.

Oda Nobunaga

We shall see how well crafted your stratagems are. :bow:

[Prince Cobra]

I offered a sincere apology and a peace offer to Asakura for that incident, which he accepted. As to your insult to Shibata Katsuie; it is rather ironic that you insult him when you do not have a man in your ranks even worthy to stand in his shadow! His dedication and determination set an example for all of us and we will not rest until we can honour his memory back in Owari. When the snow withdraws, Shibata shall have his vengeange!

Oda Nobunaga

Who knows, maybe the vengeance for Asakura Yoshikage is approaching faster than you expect... And hold your tongue behind your teeth: my generals are proved and Asai Nagamasa has the pleasure to witness it.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

What, you mean you will go running cluelessly after Nobunaga as you did me, recieving another wound while seeing your objectives fail? Yes I very much suspect that is what would happen, by the very least.

The only thing you came close to Toyosada was being killed. I put 500 men aside to get your head, out of the 4500 men I sent strolling through your camp. Imagine where you'd be if I had dedicated only double of that to silence you.

Ôtomo Sorin


You wasted your troops, that what you did. We didn't fail Sorin. If we did, why did you withdraw? Why Do I have the head of your retainer? I am sending it to the Shogun as a gift. I am loyal to the Shogun, unlike you it seems,sadly. War, in it no plan goes right all the time. Our plan wasn't 100% sucessful, yes, but you had to withdraw and you left some of your men in our lands, which could have been used good else where.


While I may respect you in the sense that you know how to fight and are not stupid, I still think you a rebel in period and that is it.


I hope we meet on the battlefield one day.




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Kagemusha]

Announcement from the Shogunate

For his loyal services to Ashikaga Shogunate, Yamana Toyosada have been granted a gift from Shogun. Shogun will grant Yoshi from his name to Toyosada and thus Leader of Yamana Clan will be known from this day onward as Yamana Yoshisada.

Also the head of rebel, Narimatsu Nobukatsu, will be on public display for an month. It can be wieved on the Awata Gutchi execution grounds of Kyoto.

Signed,

Ashikaga Yoshiteru

13th Ashikaga Shogun

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Again, I must thank the Shogun for giving me this gift and granting me such a honor. I will contiune on serving the Shogun and will protect him to my last days!




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Prince Cobra]

I offered a sincere apology and a peace offer to Asakura for that incident, which he accepted. As to your insult to Shibata Katsuie; it is rather ironic that you insult him when you do not have a man in your ranks even worthy to stand in his shadow! His dedication and determination set an example for all of us and we will not rest until we can honour his memory back in Owari. When the snow withdraws, Shibata shall have his vengeange!

Oda Nobunaga

In fact Asakura did not accept your proposal. This is just another lie. He himself told me this some time ago.

[AggonyDuck]

In fact Asakura did not accept your proposal. This is just another lie. He himself told me this some time ago.

Well I can not remember his exact words, but he certainly left my emissary with the impression that the conflict would not escalate and peace between us two would return. And I remain adamant, that when Asakura attacked me I was under the impression, that there was a peace between our two clans. As to why Asakura lied to both of us, well that is something he has taken with him to the grave.

Oda Nobunaga

[Revolting Friendship]

I believe, Yoshisada, pulling back from Nagato was exactly what I intended to do. And if I recall correctly, your plans were to kill me and every last one of my men, particularly those left in your lands.

Most of my men, including myself are safe back on Kyûshû, the rest have outmanouvered, humiliated and escaped you and your intentions.
It's good that the Shogun at least recognizes that the only feat on the part of your alliance, was to kill Nobukatsu. Too bad for you he was killed from the back or the accomplishment could have actually been regarded as a merit for whomever took his head. Nonetheless, it does Nobukatsu much honor to have his head treated in such an extravagant fashion.

When and if I take your heads, I will throw them into a hole and cover it in the same moment. Save the Môri perhaps, I still have some respect for their clan, now that Motonari is gone. Only a head worth to be displayed should be so treated, and I am pleased to see you honor my late vassal accordingly.

Ôtomo Sorin

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I believe, Yoshisada, pulling back from Nagato was exactly what I intended to do. And if I recall correctly, your plans were to kill me and every last one of my men, particularly those left in your lands.

Most of my men, including myself are safe back on Kyûshû, the rest have outmanouvered, humiliated and escaped you and your intentions.
It's good that the Shogun at least recognizes that the only feat on the part of your alliance, was to kill Nobukatsu. Too bad for you he was killed from the back or the accomplishment could have actually been regarded as a merit for whomever took his head. Nonetheless, it does Nobukatsu much honor to have his head treated in such an extravagant fashion.

When and if I take your heads, I will throw them into a hole and cover it in the same moment. Save the Môri perhaps, I still have some respect for their clan, now that Motonari is gone. Only a head worth to be displayed should be so treated, and I am pleased to see you honor my late vassal accordingly.

Ôtomo Sorin



If you would have stood and fought, maybe you would have taken my head. You came close to, like you said. A feat you did not,could not, and will never do Sorin. Now you will lose even more men here that you left behind, and for what?

Your head? I will send it to the Shogun also as a gift. It will be up to him what he wishes to do with it at that timespan.

Someone like you who backstab me and Amako, then backstab Mori, We can't trust you. Your stupid actions when it came to doing the "right thing because that the only way I could help you guys" and then betraying the Shogun and becoming a rebel, this will be the death of you.

Again, In my lifetime I will have you dead. If not, my son will greatly get it for me.



Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Kagemusha]

From Shogun

We are ready to give the same honours to Otomo Sorin, Oda Nobunaga and Asai Nagamasa.Once their heads are sent to Kyoto. We believe that Shimazu Takahisa and Hatakeyama Yoshitsugu, still have chances to redeem themselves in the eyes of Shogunate, by withdrawing their support to Rebels. Also Uesugi Kenshin should prepare to loose his rank as Kanto Kanrei, since it seems he is actively supporting rebel forces. Maybe the foreign religion and customs have made Otomo Sorin to forget how to treat fallen foes with proper respect. We will send you the head of your vassal, once the displaying period is over, so you can properly bury him.

[Revolting Friendship]

Answer to Shogun:

To the best of my knowledge, a samurai does not put on display the head of every peasant, bandit and dog he kills, nor a lowly warrior for that matter. These are instead gathered in piles and torched, or flung into massgraves and buried. This is how all samurai treat victims of no distinction. I see no reason why I should be an exception to this rule. If a daimyô fails to honour his stature, he is worse than a peasant who honor his. So if the peasant is burned or buried when killed, so will the daimyô be. This is the way of the Ôtomo.

Ôtomo Sorin


Answer to Yamana Yoshisada:

I never backstabbed or betrayed you, I never were your ally or friend prior to the deal I struck with Amako, after the events you refer to. Then he was the one to break our agreement. Before that, I had no deals with either of you whatsoever. Get your stories straight for once in your life.

Ôtomo Sorin

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Answer to Yamana Yoshisada:

I never backstabbed or betrayed you, I never were your ally or friend prior to the deal I struck with Amako, after the events you refer to. Then he was the one to break our agreement. Before that, I had no deals with either of you whatsoever. Get your stories straight for once in your life.

Ôtomo Sorin


So at Bizen, you backstabbed Amako, but not me? Maybe in fact I wasn't there! Maybe my men was really all in your head! It is what it is Sorin. You betrayed us, and do not have the honor to admit so. You don't have to be friends with someone to do so. Look at Mori, you betrayed him, but you wasn't friends with him, was you?


You should learn to starting admiting things as they are. Maybe one day Buddha will bless you the the courage to do so.




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Revolting Friendship]

To the Yamana:

So by your logic, you betrayed the Isshiki, Amako betrayed the Urakami, also betraying the Môri, then the Môri betrayed them back, and so on and so forth. Yes in fact, everyone here is just backstabbing and betraying eachother, are they not?!
....
Don't you remember how Miyoshi Chokei became Kanrei, and under which terms the current shogun now rules? What manner of a clan is the Miyoshi? PAH!
Do you remember the Hosokawa, does the name ring a bell, and their fate perchance?
Then do you know who Takeda Shingen is, do you know of his deeds? For who remembers his father, where is he now and what was his name?
Who has not heard the name of Hôjô Soun? A descendant of the Hôjô Regents was he? And what about his decendants and their little kingdom on the kanto plain! Where now is the once Mighty Uesugi! Do you look at Uesugi Kenshin and see a descendant of either the Ogigayatsu or the Yamanouchi branch? All but destroyed by ruthless bandits, one of their vassals gets to carry their name and save it for posterity.
From where sprang the Amako, and the Môri for that matter? All once subordinates to greater clans, who in the wake of the Ônin war overthrew their masters, then to conspire and fight with their neighbours, all around them!

When I make enemies and fight battles, you call me dishonest, but you congratulate and pat the heads of your upstart allies, who stand there, soiled to their throats with the blood of lords and neigbours alike!
What have I done that they do not, how do you set me aside? I will tell you how;
Even before the Ashikaga Shogunate, and before there were any Shogun at all, and every man served the emperor, already then my first forefather made a name for himself and established the Ôtomo family.

I am Saemon no Kami, Ôtomo Yoshishige Sorin, 21st direct decendant of Fujiwara Ôtomo Hidesato, born during the reign of emperor Go-Shirakawa. I am the 21st Ôtomo Shugo of Bungo and Buzen, 14th Shugo of Chikuzen, Hizen and Higo. My forefathers served the Minamoto and helped establish the first Shogunate, and for this were rewarded the lordship of northerneastern Kyûshû. And in further recognition of distinguished service to Ashikaga Takauji, as he established the current Shogunate, we were rewarded the whole of northern Kyûshû. Land that I have now reclaimed rightful rulership of!

Me and my father, and his father before him have all watched as upstart bandits, murderes and traitors have abused and corrupted our nation, upstarts by the likes of the Miyoshi, who are responsible for the chaos that now engulfs us! And you dare to call me a rebel! I serve not these men, these traitors and usurpers, nor will I ever bow down to them. Therefore I cannot bow to the current Shogun either, no matter how I wish it, as to honor the memory of my ancestors! He may carry the name of Ashikaga, but he is but a shell of a ruler, a slight to the accomplishments of my family.
Stand there, unwashed ingrate, and scoff when I fight in the spirit that this generation of rulers have introduced to our land! I have no regret for putting my sword into rabid dogs, no matter how I do it!

Ôtomo Sorin

[Seign Thelas]

Though Lord Sorin is an enemy of my ally the Kanrei, he speaks a good deal of truth. He is but living by the code of this time period we live in. Were it not for this backstabbing, the clans Mori, Oda, Saito, Nagao (or Uesugi as he is now known), Miyoshi, even my own Hojo clan would be naught but retainers under larger powers.

[Paradox]

The Takeda would not be as glorious as it is today if Nobutora still lives. He was a rash fool of a warlord, and did not deserve to lead the proud Takeda clan. The Takeda domain would have been easily swallowed up by the Uesugi if I had not done what I had done, as none but I has proved to be the one who is able to face a foe such as Kenshin. I'm busy with more important things, like planning to fight the only talented warlord I see, a quality which most of you rebels lack. Though I hope Nobunaga won't disappoint as soon as I cross swords with him, his ally was disgraceful.

[Revolting Friendship]

To Takeda Shingen:

Your father, Shingen, took over a hopelessly splintered Kai from his father, and united it against horrible odds, fighting all of those who had fallen away from his predecessors. He was then attacked by coalitions of Hôjô and Imagawa, and the prominent clans of Shinano, the Suwa, Imai and Hiraga and so on. He fought them all, were victorious and continued to expand his domain and influence. Under whom do you think that the retainer band on which you so greatly rely on, was gathered and gained their immense experience? Fighting under what man did you gain your knowledge of tactics and strategy?

Nobutora was not disposessed because he was rash or incompetent, he was disposessed because the men who fought under him could not handle his fierceness and strong will, they were weakminded and selfish. Only as long as the hot air that Nobutora has blown into the Takeda family remains will you be successful. You are building on his vast accomplishments, nothing else.

Both of the men who helped you betray your father were killed at the same time, at the battle of Uedahara. That is divine justice, that is what a man must suffer for conspiring against an honorable Lord. You too will share in their fate, and only for Nobutora's love of his clan will you be allowed to maintain its power until after your father has passed. For not even the heavens would let Nobutora suffer to see all his hard work come to nothing.

Ôtomo Sorin

p.s. Nobutora still lives

[Paradox]

To Otomo Sorin:

Do not speak to me, lord Otomo, as if you knew my father better than I did. I have gladly surpassed my father both in judge of character, which he hardly excelled at, and of the understanding of military, diplomatic, and especially domestic affairs. And to say that I am simply building up on his accomplishments is quite simply absurd, and like I said, the Takeda clan would not have been able to last long if he were still leading it. And what a great retainer band he chose, as they all acknowledged his madness and the fact that the Takeda clan must be saved from an unworthy and hot-headed leader.

The fact that he was outsmarted by his son proves that his strong will could not have stood mine. You call my most loyal retainers selfish and weakminded, but I laugh at the fact that one such as Uesugi Kenshin cannot overcome them, and you are so quick to judge yet I stake my life that you would be fleeing with your tails between your legs at the mere sight of these skilled men. The hot air that he has blown is long gone along with his weak spirit, he will not be remembered and the shadow that he had casted over me has vanished.

Your argument can easily be mistaken for a taunt, Nobutora shamed himself, and the fact that he is not dead proves his stubbornness, cowardice, and dishonor he has brought onto himself. He has no chance to redeem himself, you are merely judging my abilities due to my unquestionable loyalty to the shogunate. Like I said, there are more important things to worry about than the past, Nobutora is long gone, to say he will return already tells me what I need to know about you.

Takeda Shingen

Oh, my mistake

[Revolting Friendship]

To Takeda Shingen:

Well as with all other things we shall just have to see if there is any truth in your words. But this much is so far a fact. Nobutora took a splintered and weak clan and made it strong, he built the mountain you now stand on top of to taunt your neighbours. Ever since you snatched away your fathers domain while he was in Tsuruga visiting his daughter, you have accomplished nothing but almost conquering Shinano, which he started.

You stood idle and watched while the Imagawa were brutally punished, taking a scarecely defended castle with vast numerical superiority. Tokugawa Ieyasu was on campaign and not even present with his main forces, and you say he was disgraceful? HA!
Is that your idea of honorable and noble fights? Seizing land in their rulers absence? It must be, seeing how you did the same thing to your father. But Uesugi Kenshin, who is ever present, has stopped you in your tracks every time.

I'm very much in doubt of your abilities as anything other than an oppertunistic thief.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Marshal Murat]

To Takeda and Otomo

Noble Otomo,
while I appreciate your statements, I will be the first to state that the Takeda and his noble retainers are some of the men best versed in war, and they have used this war to their advantage.

Noble Takeda,
I hope to meet your vaulted retainers in the Spring, as I begin the final campaign to recollect Shinano from your bloody hands, and finally break this Takeda threat that I and my allies have had to live with to my South. In the Spring, no matter what you will do, I will ford rivers and break mountains to achieve the destruction of your armies.

Uesugi Kenshin

[Kagemusha]

From Kitabatake,

First we would like to address Otomo Sorin. Surely Otomo is old and prestigeous Clan, but nothing special. For example i Kitabatake Tomonori can trace myself to living Gods, as i am descendant of an Tenno Murakami. About the honour and lack of it of certain Clans. As far as i can remember. It was Shimazu who took petty on the Otomo Clan, as it was in the verge of destruction. If i would look at most brave and honourable Clan of Kuyshu. It would be no doubt the Shimazu.

Also considering Miyoshi. I think That the Kanrei has shown with his deeds, acts that Otomo and their allies cant tarnish with their words. While Clans like Oda and Asai invaded our domain in order to annex our lands to theirs. The most honourable Kanrei gave me his army and support to take it back. Would it been Otomo, Asai or Oda, My lands would have been annexed straight to their domains, while Kanrei suffers of no such greed by giving us Kitabatake our lands back.

Kitabatake Tomonori

[Paradox]

Enough with this heathen, I shall conquer Shinano once and for all. Should I defeat Kenshin, which I am finally confident of achieving the honor, I will be sure to wipe the floor clean with these rebel scum immediately!

[Revolting Friendship]

Uesugi Kenshin, I will not argue the fact that the Takeda generals are competent warriors, but the quality of their leadership has vaned as of late, and as a man who owes so much to the exploits of his father, it's plain repulsing to see Shingen slander the man like this. It does him no merit. I hope his future deeds on the battlefield will overshadow his lack of tact, so that you may have not only victories, but well contested and glorious ones.

Ôtomo Sorin

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

To the Yamana:



I am Saemon no Kami, Ôtomo Yoshishige Sorin, 21st direct decendant of Fujiwara Ôtomo Hidesato, born during the reign of emperor Go-Shirakawa. I am the 21st Ôtomo Shugo of Bungo and Buzen, 14th Shugo of Chikuzen, Hizen and Higo. My forefathers served the Minamoto and helped establish the first Shogunate, and for this were rewarded the lordship of northerneastern Kyûshû. And in further recognition of distinguished service to Ashikaga Takauji, as he established the current Shogunate, we were rewarded the whole of northern Kyûshû. Land that I have now reclaimed rightful rulership of!

Me and my father, and his father before him have all watched as upstart bandits, murderes and traitors have abused and corrupted our nation, upstarts by the likes of the Miyoshi, who are responsible for the chaos that now engulfs us! And you dare to call me a rebel! I serve not these men, these traitors and usurpers, nor will I ever bow down to them. Therefore I cannot bow to the current Shogun either, no matter how I wish it, as to honor the memory of my ancestors! He may carry the name of Ashikaga, but he is but a shell of a ruler, a slight to the accomplishments of my family.
Stand there, unwashed ingrate, and scoff when I fight in the spirit that this generation of rulers have introduced to our land! I have no regret for putting my sword into rabid dogs, no matter how I do it!

Ôtomo Sorin


You make some good points Sorin, but still, there is a line, and you crossed it. If you fighting battles, there is nothing dishonest about it. War is war. But If I did something, you had no problem calling me a coward, or scolding one of my allies if they did something like you been doing, yet if your clan did, It's not alright to call you a rebel even though that is what you are? Yes, your ancestors might be impressive, but does that give you the right to do what you doing now? No!



You wish to speak about our ancestors? So be it.



I, Yamana Yoshisada, formely Yamana Toyosada, am the leader of them Yamana Clan. I am a descendent of Minamoto Yoshishige. My ancestors in this clan was powerful shugo family in Muromachi Period the and we were loyal supporters of the Ashikaga! We were in the bloody Onion War, Sorin. We did then, and we will go on supporting the Shogun, regardless of what you plan on doing!



I will fight with my allies aganist rebels like yourself. If I must live to do this, great. If I must die though, I shall also to make sure this rebellion is quell and peace is restored.




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Kagemusha]

OOC: I added a link to district maps of each province to the first page. If you want to look how the provinces look like more close.:bow:

[AggonyDuck]

From Kitabatake,

Also considering Miyoshi. I think That the Kanrei has shown with his deeds, acts that Otomo and their allies cant tarnish with their words. While Clans like Oda and Asai invaded our domain in order to annex our lands to theirs. The most honourable Kanrei gave me his army and support to take it back. Would it been Otomo, Asai or Oda, My lands would have been annexed straight to their domains, while Kanrei suffers of no such greed by giving us Kitabatake our lands back.

Kitabatake Tomonori

You truly know nothing of me and my treatment of my allies. If I had been in the position of Miyoshi, I would had done the same. But as I am not Miyoshi Chokei, but Oda Nobunaga, the circumstances are different. You see, the Miyoshi have understood that gratitude paves the way to willing servitude. We tried to make your father our vassal and in the process we made you a Miyoshi servant. Life does have a certain irony to it, don't you think?

Oda Nobunaga

OOC: Kage, do you have a list of the province income somewhere? I've forgotten about it and need to do some calculations.

[Prince Cobra]

To make this clear. Miyoshi have no claims over the Kitabatake lands.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

[Kagemusha]

From Kitabatake to Oda,

We consider ourselves friends of Miyoshi, not servants. As Shugo family we are servants of the Ashikaga Shogunate. You can say what you want, but your allies started the war to annex our domain and the Kanrei came to our aid as he is supposed when a legal Shugo of a province is being harassed by rebels. You and your allies are rebels, while i am Shugo of Ise and Miyoshi Chokei is rightful Kanrei, appointed by the Shogun. Previous Hosokawa Kanreis were too weak to defend their Shugo´s, but Miyoshi Chokei has successfully already defended me and Kono Michinao. You can be sure that i will do my utmost best to help crushing your rebellion, so Kinki area can witness peace once more.

Kitabatake Tomonori

EDIT: Duckie, such list open for players does not exist. You only know what you can find out.

[Paradox]

To Otomo Sorin:

I would briefly like to point out that my father was loathed by his own people as well as his retainers. This is enough information to conclude that he was, to put it bluntly, a plain bad leader. And as I doubt you know, the populace was growing more and more displeased of him due to his harsh rule. You say I'm an opportunistic thief, but I guess that's just one of the qualities I picked up during his advantageous intervention during the Imagawa succession feud.

I am hoping that the fellow loyal warlords in the west won't destroy you before I have the chance to dominate you in the battlefield, just as the Shimazu should have done.

[Revolting Friendship]

To Takeda:

Saving a clan sometimes cost money, building a strong economy costs money, the people pay for such things. Enjoy the security your father bought you, now you'll not need to be disagreeable with your people for doing what someone had to do. Ungrateful dog.

To Kitabatake:

My point is not that I care about stock and rights, even though I have both. My point is that these slandering enemies of mine pretend to care about such things, when they refer to them, branding me a dishonorable traitor, backstabbing scum and a rebel, for doing things they have already done time and time again. For such things they claim their right to destroy me, and encourage others to do the same. They are hypocrites, this is why I despise them. The whole political situation of this country is nothing but a farce.

I have reclaimed the lands that were "rightfully mine". I have laid claims to lands of enemies that weren't "rightfully" theirs. Miyoshi Chokei conspired and fought his Lords and his uncle and destroyed both, took what was theirs, gave nothing back, and then he took control of the Shogun, forced on himself the title of Kanrei, and now he sits there in his castle with his pet figurehead and assumes to be a just and noble ruler; branding other warlords as rebels and agitators for emulating his deeds... He's sitting there, pissing on himself and everyone who supports him. He has branded himself and everyone else as rebels and traitors who should rightly be brought to justice and killed.

Well then. I will be their executioner, if they will be mine. Come, and let us punish eachother for our transgressions.

Ôtomo Sorin

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I won't be on tomarrow (Sunday) by the way. I will return on Monday and I will send my decsions out Tuesday

[Kagemusha]

From Kitabatake,

Well spoken Lord Otomo, while i disagree with many things. You believe that you can be a force that can unite Nippon. I believe that the current Bakufu can do it. Let swords decide who is right as the winner will decide who was wrong and who not. I look forward crossing swords with Otomo.

Kitabatake Tomonori

[King Jan III Sobieski]

To Takeda Shingen:

I'm very much in doubt of your abilities as anything other than an oppertunistic thief.

Ôtomo Sorin


Lord Imagawa does not respond well to slanderous attacks on his allies!

[seireikhaan]

Kage- Looking ahead, I believe I will be able to resume command of Satomi in two weeks. Unfortunately, midterms demands my attention until then.

[Kagemusha]

Thats great new Khaan!:2thumbsup: Il take care of your Clan untill then.:bow:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

To Otomo Sorin:

I am hoping that the fellow loyal warlords in the west won't destroy you before I have the chance to dominate you in the battlefield, just as the Shimazu should have done.



My respect to you Lord Takeda, but I disargee. I do not like Otomo Sorin. You don't ethier and he proably hates us just the same.


I will make sure me and my allies destory him for you, and if he is still standing anyhow, you may have the honour of killing this rebel dog.




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Revolting Friendship]

Burning preposterous letters from Lord Yamana over his oil-lamp, Ôtomo Sorin keeps himself warm throughout winter. Outside, the Ôtomo samurai practice their kyûdô on the implicitly target-like Yamana mon, torn from captured sashimono. The pet idiot of Miyoshi Chokei figure extensively in kyôgen intermissions, in theatres throughout the Ôtomo domains. Much jollity is shared by commoners and aristocrats alike.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Yamana Yoshisada is still on the beach, while some troops are getting ready to pull out. He is standing on the beach by himself, while his men and allied troops walk past him, bowing as they do. He stares at the sunset and think about the previous night battle and his injured shoulder. There are still some bodies left on the beatch, waiting to be picked up or to be carry away by the ocean waves.

Yoshioka Sadakuni walks up to the Lord Yamana and saids "My Lord....". Yoshisada turns and Yoshioka bows.


"My Lord... How are you? How is your shoulder?"

"It is good Yoshioka..... I must thank you for protecting me in battle. You are my Head Of Bodyguard, and I am happy you did not die in battle."

Yoshioka replies in a sad tone "But I am sad for the ones that die...."

"I am too Sadakuni. But we must live for the living, not the dead. We must go forward and carry on, but we must NEVER forget these brave men. We must fight Otomo Sorin and his Rebel bastard allies until they perish. Even if it kills me!"

"Well My Lord, I hope you don't die, becauses I would fail. But do no worry though, I should not even say that, you will never die with me as your Head Of Bodyguard. We will kill these enemies once and for all, with our brave allies who also lost some troops here...."

"Yes Yoshioka, well, lets go get ready to move out....."



Yoshioka nods his head, then bows, and the two men walk back to what is left of their camp.

[Prince Cobra]

Watch your double-tip tongue, Otomo Sorin, otherwise I can have it nailed on the scaffold.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hoe many people got their orders in so far Kage?

I get my in tonight or tomarrow morning (Friday).

[patdj]

Coming out of his office Shimazu Takahisa felt the icy wind striking at him like a Sword blow. The sky was clouded, winter was coming. He had just finished giving writing the orders which were now to be sent to their adressees.
He came down the stairs and was welcomed by the local generals and military counselours.
"Great Lord Shimazu Takahisa, what deeds are we allowed to fulfill in order to overthrow this worthless Chûgoku scum?"
"Be patient Hisaaki. You will have your chance. My orders have been sent, let us wait and see whose heads will roll..."
Hisaaki nodded.
"May I humbly ask, my Lord, what you decided to answer to the Amako?"
"I decided not to draw advantage of their foolishness. Thinking that Shimazu Samurai enter battle out of no reasonable motivation deserves pity rather than abuse."
A general laughter arose, but died out with Takahisa raising his hand.
"Do not laugh too loud, Shimazu warriors. The Amako may be fools, hardly able to handle their weapons, but together with their allies they are numerous. Even the toughest tiger can be killed by a horde of rats."
A mutter of approval.
"Ensure every man to know that a Shimazu Samurai is not fighting out of bloodlust or expansion plans. We are not tolerating a man claiming to be the Shogun of Nippon. Every Daimyô of this isle is to subordinate only to our Divine Emperor and the Blades of Kyûshû will ensure this to be."
Without requiring a certain command, the warmen saluted simultaneously and backed away, leaving Lord Takahisa alone in the yard.
"May the Blades of the Winter Wind do in our favour...", he whispered.

[AggonyDuck]

Decisions sent!

[Kagemusha]

Im about to go celebrate my girlfriends birthday together with her and i will write the chapter tomorrow, so you may all have bit hung over winter season.:drama1:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Decsions are sent!

[Paradox]

Plans sent!

[Revolting Friendship]

Im about to go celebrate my girlfriends birthday together with her and i will write the chapter tomorrow, so you may all have bit hung over winter season.

lol, not too hung over I hope. Regardless, have fun mate

[AggonyDuck]

Im about to go celebrate my girlfriends birthday together with her and i will write the chapter tomorrow, so you may all have bit hung over winter season.:drama1:

As long as the end result is frozen Miyoshi dead, the Oda can accept a bit hung-over winter season!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Decisions r in!

[Prince Cobra]

Orders sent! May Beshamon aid us!

[Ravie]

Apologies, no decisions sent yet... had no internet, and wont have any until tuesday, currently at girlfriends, will try and find time and a pc to get them sent in! Sorry guys.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Apologies, no decisions sent yet... had no internet, and wont have any until tuesday, currently at girlfriends, will try and find time and a pc to get them sent in! Sorry guys.

You always late :laugh4:!


No problem, find one fast, I can't wait for winter :yes:.

[Prince Cobra]

Apologies, no decisions sent yet... had no internet, and wont have any until tuesday, currently at girlfriends, will try and find time and a pc to get them sent in! Sorry guys.

Such a shame! You shall immediately commit seppuku! ~:P

OOC: No problem! RL first!

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I got a idea gentlemen. I am going to do a Wikipedia series here at .Org's Wiki and TWC's Wiki pags. I am going to get all the battles that took place in this IH and the CoE IH and write a background up for them and stick it on an IH page there. I put in the info, commanders, locaton, troops/losses/ who was in it, etc....



Good idea?


My first two here will be the Ambush at Bizen and the Captial of the Togukgawa captial by the Imagawa/Takeda forces.

[patdj]

OOC: Sounds great! This would allow new players to join quite easy without having to read 40 extra pages. Now, let's see if this will be objective reports. :sweatdrop:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Don't worry, I be fair and balanced.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2168897#post2168897
Come check out my update I am doing about my Yamana Clan :clown:!

[Herakleitos]

That would be great! Will give me the chance to read up on some of the previous events too... :book:

[Paradox]

I think it's a great idea Warman8, don't hesitate to ask if you need any help on the details regarding the battles involving the Takeda. It would be fun to look at the initial plans of a clan and how they turn out in the battle. :thumbsup:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Thanks All. I shall do so Fahad or Gobbledy, whatever your name is now :laugh4: :clown:!

[Prince Cobra]

Thanks All. I shall do so Fahad or Gobbledy, whatever your name is now :laugh4: :clown:!

I don't mind and will aid your work as much as possible as long as it steps on the info from the pages. Additional info might reveal certain things that are better to remain secret. :curtain:

[Revolting Friendship]

I'm quite interested to know what's happening to the chapter.

[Prince Cobra]

I'm quite interested to know what's happening to the chapter.

Interested? I am dying of eagerness.

P.S. Patience is a virtue... :stars:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Interested? I am dying of eagerness.

P.S. Patience is a virtue... :stars:


Oh of course Kanrei, don't worry about that! :yes:


Can't wait for the chapter! :crown:

[Kagemusha]

It is coming...:bow:

[Ravie]

Later tonight or tomorrow guys... net is back... now i just need the time to sort my decisions! Apologies about the wait.

[Ravie]

Set them last night, now we just await the bloodshed!

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

And hopefully your death, Nagamasa :clown:.



Anyone got the map of this IH when it first started in 1560?

[AggonyDuck]

And hopefully your death, Nagamasa :clown:.



Anyone got the map of this IH when it first started in 1560?

There was no such map at the start, the first map came to be when Revolting Friendship took over Otomo, atleast that is if I remember correctly.

[AggonyDuck]

And hopefully your death, Nagamasa :clown:.


I see the lapdog is barking again. Did your master forget to feed you today? No worries, you can soon chew on his bones. A thigh bone would suffice, no?

Oda Nobunaga

[Prince Cobra]

I see the lapdog is barking again. Did your master forget to feed you today? No worries, you can soon chew on his bones. A thigh bone would suffice, no?

Oda Nobunaga

It seems the ravens of Kinai will not stay hungry. Well, it is another issue whose flesh they will eat: mine or yours, rebel.

About Yamana Yoshisada. It is easy to offend him when he is far away. Hold your mouth shut and save your threats for another time. As you said, cold steel will solve this war, not hot words. And you shall prove yourself in a battle against me, here in Kinai.

As the clerk wrote his wise words, the Kanrei dismissed his men and was left alone. He rose and stared at the hills near Kyoto that were covered with white and beautiful snow.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I see the lapdog is barking again. Did your master forget to feed you today? No worries, you can soon chew on his bones. A thigh bone would suffice, no?

Oda Nobunaga



No Dogbunaga. His Skull would be a good enough bone for me :yes:.


Lord Yamana Yoshisada.

[Paradox]

No Dogbunaga. His Skull would be a good enough bone for me :yes:.


Lord Yamana Yoshisada.
OOC: :inquisitive:

[Seign Thelas]

Hojo Ujiyasu wonders why Lord Yamana wants to bone Lord Miyoshi.

[Paradox]

Hojo Ujiyasu wonders why Lord Yamana wants to bone Lord Miyoshi.
Am I seeing things? :wall:

[Seign Thelas]

Twas a joke, my good sir. Hahaha.

Just a note: I'm going on a camping trip this week until Friday.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

No Dogbunaga. His Skull would be a good enough bone for me :yes:.


Lord Yamana Yoshisada.

I believe Lord Yamana means Lord Nagamasha, not Lord Miyoshi.

[Prince Cobra]

I sacrifised 15 minutes of my life to make your life easier :drama2: :beam:... My advice to Kage is to put these on the first chapter and to update them regularly. :bow:

Autumn 1563 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2147675&postcount=1242

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[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Thanks Stephen :clown:.

Yeah, I met Nagamasa's Head, not Miyoshi's. I should have wordered it better :yes:!

[AggonyDuck]

Thanks for the work! It's very helpful.

[seireikhaan]

Kage- I am ready to resume command of Satomi, if you would allow it. :yes:

[Kagemusha]

Kage- I am ready to resume command of Satomi, if you would allow it. :yes:

Ofcourse.Wellcome back Khaan!:bow: For the others. The reason for the delay of the chapter has been that the Org, decided to eat my half written chapter and i have had some trouble motivating myself in writing the same text again. That should teach me to use notepad for writing these like i usually do.:stwshame:

[Prince Cobra]

Ofcourse.Wellcome back Khaan!:bow: For the others. The reason for the delay of the chapter has been that the Org, decided to eat my half written chapter and i have had some trouble motivating myself in writing the same text again. That should teach me to use notepad for writing these like i usually do.:stwshame:

I know that feeling. :wall::wall: Maybe it is for good. You can even make the chapter more entertaining in the new version.:stupido:

P.S. Bad Org., Bad Org.!

P.S.2 I wonder does this mystery have something to do with the intrigues of the Otomo? Bad Otomo, bad Otomo...

[Prince Cobra]

Declaration of the Kanrei

Unfortunately it seems the winter storms have paralysed the ports of Nippon and ships and Tsukai Ban are moving slowly. But I heard strange things about the behaviour of the Otomo. It seems this worm is happy about the situation and there are even rumours he blesses each day that he had left on the earth. His intrigues have been exposed and now he could not even trust his shadow. He also wonders if the noble Shimazu will fulfil (despite his strange words) his duty to the Shogun and will put the end of his miserable existence. He also doubts his own retainers since he did not know the day when his own servants will put the end of his miserable life. While I speak this, I hear for the tragedy of the Otomo men dying from the blade of the loyal Chugoku daymios. I say the time of the poisonous Otomo who has wished to conquer all of the West is about to over. Only a fool or very desperate man will trust his word and dust will soon cover the capital of Utsuki.

To Otomo Sorin with sincere damnation,
Miyoshi Chokei,Kanrei

[Revolting Friendship]

What can a man know for certain? Whatever comes, I will embrace it as my fate, for no one forges his own fortune, we can but do what has been laid upon us since the day we entered this life. My fate was to be a warrior. In a time like this, when war is too great a curse to be borne by any land or people, total victory is the only righteous aim. To achieve this victory, I have done things I am not proud of, show me one warrior who has not. If my actions will lead me to victory or defeat is yet to be seen. Many hard choices are made in vain in this world, but only then will they be spoken of as a tragedy rather than a worthy sacrifice.

I welcome anyone who wishes to relieve me of my head, to come and try it. No matter what allies you can raise against me, Kanrei, know that I will not go easily. Still, I put faith in my allies the Shimazu. There are men who cannot be trusted but still used to achieve an advantage, Môri Motonari was one such man. It was not my strategy that failed me that time but fortune. However, Shimazu Takahisa I have resolved to put my full confidence in. I doubt deeply that he would betray it.

I also advice you to speak for yourself Chokei, it may relieve you of future shame from having misjudged your position among your peers.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Prince Cobra]

~:Miyoshi Chokei closes his fan and laughs:~

Yes, Otomo Sorin, your words sound well but deeds speak louder than the words. We are all in the hands of the Gods but with their help I might show that your destiny is far more different from what you think.

Thank you for the advice but you are not competent enough to pronounce on the issues of loyalty and alliances, I think. My allies show they are brave and honourable man, especially the person of Asakura Yoshikage. He was a loyal friend and a great warrior. Unfortunately, the immense luck of Oda Nobunaga and the treachery of the Asai led to his premature death. But I will avenge him and will slay the Asai daimyo and Oda Nobunaga. I will not rest until I see their heads on silver plates.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

What can a man know for certain? Whatever comes, I will embrace it as my fate, for no one forges his own fortune, we can but do what has been laid upon us since the day we entered this life. My fate was to be a warrior. In a time like this, when war is too great a curse to be borne by any land or people, total victory is the only righteous aim. To achieve this victory, I have done things I am not proud of, show me one warrior who has not. If my actions will lead me to victory or defeat is yet to be seen. Many hard choices are made in vain in this world, but only then will they be spoken of as a tragedy rather than a worthy sacrifice.

I welcome anyone who wishes to relieve me of my head, to come and try it. No matter what allies you can raise against me, Kanrei, know that I will not go easily. Still, I put faith in my allies the Shimazu. There are men who cannot be trusted but still used to achieve an advantage, Môri Motonari was one such man. It was not my strategy that failed me that time but fortune. However, Shimazu Takahisa I have resolved to put my full confidence in. I doubt deeply that he would betray it.

I also advice you to speak for yourself Chokei, it may relieve you of future shame from having misjudged your position among your peers.

Ôtomo Sorin




You say you did things you are not proud of? So you are not a butcher, a dog, a sack of dog waste. But If I, Lord Yamana Yoshisada or my honourable allies does something wrong (and I have done things I am not happy over doing also), I am a butcher, baby-killer, coward and a lap-dog.



You are a dog with sharp teeth and claws. You know how to fight, and fight well. You had luck on your side for a long while now, Sorin, but sooner or later, your teeth will become dull, same with your claws. Your luck will run out, or your will make a mistake, and you will die for your actions.




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[AggonyDuck]

If Lord Yamana wishes to be respected, we have only one advice to give. Stay silent and let your sword do the talking. The sword you carry is currently the only thing about you worthy of respect, so do not tarnish it with your words. As long as you keep opening your mouth, you will be known to all of Japan as the Buffoon of Inaba.

Oda Nobunaga

[Prince Cobra]

If Lord Yamana wishes to be respected, we have only one advice to give. Stay silent and let your sword do the talking. The sword you carry is currently the only thing about you worthy of respect, so do not tarnish it with your words. As long as you keep opening your mouth, you will be known to all of Japan as the Buffoon of Inaba.

Oda Nobunaga

Maybe you accuse Lord Yamana for an "attempt" to annex the Isshiki? Ha, invasion with 500 men... this is something quite... exotic. It seems that he was misinformed about the Isshiki since the Yamana declarations sounded strange at the very least. With the wise intervention of His Highness the Shogun, the misunderstanding ended and I do doubt there will be more problems between the Isshiki and the Yamana. As far as I know all the issues between the two clans are solved and peace is guaranteed by the Bakufu. Unfortunately for you, Oda Nobunaga and for the "traitorous swines" like the Otomo and Asai. I use the exact words of the Asai (or to specify this: Asai Nagamasa) when his supposed ally Mori Motonari was backstabbed.

Experience also says that your assessment is not always true. You made a mistake underestimating the Asakura, you make a mistake that you underestimated the Yamana. Yamana are loyal servants to the Shogun and you will not have always the luck to steal your victory.


Mori Motonari was a traitorous swine! You yourself saw the Letter from himself saying he would support me against you, his passing is a blessing upon Japan! His sons will reclaim the clans honour and fight to the end if needed. You had a choice of sides in this war Miyoshi and your lack of decisiveness moved you to choose the wrong side, and make a fatal decision with your actions in doing so. Asakura started this war, i offered him the chance to bck down and be allowed to retreat to Echizen, he declined and will die for his stupidity. Why would i not allow my ally Otomo a chance for some revenge upon the persecutor of his faith in the process? As for not attacking Owari? A lesson in war for you Miyoshi "Never interupt your enemy when hes making a mistake".


Asai Nagamasa

Nagamasa, Nagamasa, we shall see who have made a mistake :no:

OOC: Heating the atmosphere for the next chapter.

[AggonyDuck]

We only stated that Lord Yamana is a servile buffoon, that should let his sword do the talking. We do not understand how you have mixed the Isshiki in this as we did not mention the Isshiki. Perhaps your mind has become addled from all the stale air in that palace of yours.

Anyway lets take a moment to speak of the hypocrisy of the Kanrei. Four years ago there were two clans in Eastern Kinki that outright refused your rule: the Kitabatake and the Oda. That same summer the Asai and the Saito together invaded the Kitabatake and suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Fox of Ise. The Kanrei did not protest against this invasion. The next spring the Asai sought a new ally to defeat the Kitabatake, the Oda clan and a new invasion of Ise was launched. Surprisingly, this alliance and the invasion wasn't taken too well by the Kanrei, who the previous year had given his silent blessing to the previous invasion. So why did the Kanrei's opinion of the Asai and the Kitabatake change so drastically? The reason is two-fold and rather simple: There was a threat to the status quo of the Kinai region and the Miyoshi needed to continue to expand their influence. One thing is clear about the Kanrei; he is no fool and he knows that the Miyoshi need to grow in power, because when one of the western or eastern daimyo manages to unite that part of the nation, the Miyoshi holdings are insufficient. As to the Miyoshi claim to power, we all know that titles without military power mean nothing, just a look at our mockery of a Shogun and it is very apparent. Currently the Miyoshi are nothing more than one clan fighting for power among others and any loyalty displayed to the Kanrei is one of convenience.

Oda Nobunaga

[Revolting Friendship]

To Miyoshi:


With the wise intervention of His Highness the Shogun, the misunderstanding ended and I do doubt there will be more problems between the Isshiki and the Yamana. As far as I know all the issues between the two clans are solved and peace is guaranteed by the Bakufu.

And by whoms complaint was the indifferent Kanrei and his Shogun lackey called into issuing a decree? Up to the point of my involvement, you have not once cared about conflicts unless they have involved your neighbours being expansive, or neighbours being annexed by others than yourself. Not once had you tried to mediate peace, not once had you stepped in to resolve an issue, put pressure on an aggressor, or supported a victim, disregarding the fact that you were both Kanrei and the most powerful clan in Nippon.

You excused yourself by your lack of ability to assist victims then. Now however, you boast your vast superiority towards your own victims. Back then you did not even protest when loyal clans were being slaughtered in your support, today you plan far off invasions against those who oppose you. Yet you have not added a shô of koku to your name since!
Do you take us for complete and utter fools, Kanrei, or is your memory impaired to that of a koi, so you do not remember events, transpired just two or three years ago?

Your actions have proven your nature before, and they continue to do so. Creating another grateful guard dog in the Kitabatake, as you did with Yamana, speaks nothing in your favour. The Yamana and Kitabatake did nothing to support you, until you bought their loyalty, and you praise them as honorable for nothing but their support. Still, I have not once heard you speak well of the Sagara, who were destroyed, defending your honor and title, without anyone asking them to do so.

Ôtomo Sorin

To Yamana:


But If I, Lord Yamana Yoshisada or my honourable allies does something wrong (and I have done things I am not happy over doing also), I am a butcher, baby-killer, coward and a lap-dog.

I did not claim my actions were wrong, I only said I am not proud of them all. Not many things are worthy of pride.

Ôtomo Sorin

[AggonyDuck]

Experience also says that your assessment is not always true. You made a mistake underestimating the Asakura, you make a mistake that you underestimated the Yamana. Yamana are loyal servants to the Shogun and you will not have always the luck to steal your victory.


We are all guilty of underestimations. I underestimated the Asakura and he most certainly underestimated me. If he hadn't, you would already have my head on your silver plate. As to you, you dallied in involving yourself in the war and did not strike us while we were weak and now you are paying the price in blood. But that same dalliance caused us to underestimate when you decided to involve yourself. In the end we are all paying the price of these underestimations and do believe all of us will continue to do so.

[Prince Cobra]

To Miyoshi:



And by whoms complaint was the indifferent Kanrei and his Shogun lackey called into issuing a decree? Up to the point of my involvement, you have not once cared about conflicts unless they have involved your neighbours being expansive, or neighbours being annexed by others than yourself. Not once had you tried to mediate peace, not once had you stepped in to resolve an issue, put pressure on an aggressor, or supported a victim, disregarding the fact that you were both Kanrei and the most powerful clan in Nippon.

You excused yourself by your lack of ability to assist victims then. Now however, you boast your vast superiority towards your own victims. Back then you did not even protest when loyal clans were being slaughtered in your support, today you plan far off invasions against those who oppose you. Yet you have not added a shô of koku to your name since!
Do you take us for complete and utter fools, Kanrei, or is your memory impaired to that of a koi, so you do not remember events, transpired just two or three years ago?

Your actions have proven your nature before, and they continue to do so. Creating another grateful guard dog in the Kitabatake, as you did with Yamana, speaks nothing in your favour. The Yamana and Kitabatake did nothing to support you, until you bought their loyalty, and you praise them as honorable for nothing but their support. Still, I have not once heard you speak well of the Sagara, who were destroyed, defending your honor and title, without anyone asking them to do so.

Ôtomo Sorin

To Yamana:



I did not claim my actions were wrong, I only said I am not proud of them all. Not many things are worthy of pride.

Ôtomo Sorin

Ha! Do you really think it was you who provoked me to do anything? You did not stop me to capture Ise and to return it to Kitabatake and you did not have the power to influence me in this case, either... Neither your miserable "aid" can persuade anybody to become a tool of your feuds!

You probably mean Ito? May I ask what the noble Otomo want to say? Are the Shimazu not supposed
to be their ally?
Ito is dead and I pray for his soul. This is what all I can do for him. My main purpose is to protect the Shogun and to defend the living friends I have. Yes, I prefer to put the feuds aside and to think for the future instead of creating more misery to this troubled land and becoming a slave of emotions. At the time I had no means to interfere in Kyushu, now I have to take care for the safety of the Shogun. And maybe Shimazu has seen his past mistakes and is ready to build a Buddhist temple in memory of the late Ito? After all Ito died for the cause of the Shogunate and I believe his soul will be satisfied if he sees that Kyushu is back again in loyal hands!

I know that you find amusing the way I tolerate the freedom of the clans around me? Yes, I doubt you can undertsand me since you have put your greedy hands on the lands of Ryozoji and Akizuki. It was also strange to see accusing Akizuki for cowardice after I see little difference between his behaviour in the battle of Yamagawa and your own just a season ago!

Guarding dogs around me? No, these are my allies!

[Prince Cobra]

We are all guilty of underestimations. I underestimated the Asakura and he most certainly underestimated me. If he hadn't, you would already have my head on your silver plate. As to you, you dallied in involving yourself in the war and did not strike us while we were weak and now you are paying the price in blood. But that same dalliance caused us to underestimate when you decided to involve yourself. In the end we are all paying the price of these underestimations and do believe all of us will continue to do so.

~:the Kanrei slightly smiles but stays silent:~

[Revolting Friendship]

You probably mean Ito? May I ask what the noble Otomo want to say? Are the Shimazu not supposed
to be their ally?

Whichever they were, I've said before that I have no regard for the supporters of fools, but you should have some sympathy for the fate of your supporters. Clearly you do not, unless there is an agenda, unless there is some gain for you, or loss for your enemies. I understand that, but you claim to be honorable while not, and to have noble intentions while showing no signs of them.
And this is also why I am certain that it was I who forced you into interfering in Yamana's business. For you had never done anything of the like, prior to my complaint. Even in that case there was plenty of time for you to speak up before I did, but you did not. You were just saving your face, that is all. You made it too clear to see by your previous actions.

Also remember, I had no ally in Chûgoku to sacrifice my life for. My allies are on Kyûshû and Kinai. If I have to die fighting, I will do it in either of these places. Throwing my life away needlessly, doing a last stand over some abortive expansion campaign, when I had much better options? I'll leave such ideas of honor and courage for the fools.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Seign Thelas]

Hojo Ujiyasu is back from his camping trip, man.

[Monk]

OOC: You guys aren't helping my patience going back in forth IC! :laugh4:

Patiently, but anxiously, awaiting the next chapter! :yes:

[Prince Cobra]

Whichever they were, I've said before that I have no regard for the supporters of fools, but you should have some sympathy for the fate of your supporters. Clearly you do not, unless there is an agenda, unless there is some gain for you, or loss for your enemies. I understand that, but you claim to be honorable while not, and to have noble intentions while showing no signs of them.
And this is also why I am certain that it was I who forced you into interfering in Yamana's business. For you had never done anything of the like, prior to my complaint. Even in that case there was plenty of time for you to speak up before I did, but you did not. You were just saving your face, that is all. You made it too clear to see by your previous actions.

Also remember, I had no ally in Chûgoku to sacrifice my life for. My allies are on Kyûshû and Kinai. If I have to die fighting, I will do it in either of these places. Throwing my life away needlessly, doing a last stand over some abortive expansion campaign, when I had much better options? I'll leave such ideas of honor and courage for the fools.

Ôtomo Sorin

You are a dog, Otomo and you will be treated as such. Dare to step on any of my seven provinces or in the provinces of the other loyal clans and I will show you how I treat the dogs that bite their master. And our master is the Shogun, the commander-in-chief of the army of the Divine Emperor.

As far as the Isshiki case are concerned, your plan to foment a war between Yamana and Isshiki was quite obvious. This would have greatly increased your influence over the Chugoku region and would have served the ambitions of your sick mind. But you should not worry because with Gods' blessing I may deliver you the cure you are so desperately looking for.

My advice is to realise you are walking on the ground and that you are not a bird in the sky. For me you are nothing but a mad man and a mortal one, too.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Also remember, I had no ally in Chûgoku to sacrifice my life for. My allies are on Kyûshû and Kinai. If I have to die fighting, I will do it in either of these places. Throwing my life away needlessly, doing a last stand over some abortive expansion campaign, when I had much better options? I'll leave such ideas of honor and courage for the fools.

Ôtomo Sorin



Of course, Sorin. I am not a fool. We wasn't expecting you to die here, or if you somehow did, you would bring many of our warriors down with you, you dog. Is this why you supported the Isshiki? You wanted to keep me check, or you wanted to cause touble between our clans? Also, Is this why, when We was at war with Mori/Ukita, you didn't want my clan to take any of the Mori Lands? You wanted to take some, and give Lord Amako the others? You was going to try to get my Honourable ally Lord Amako to betray me then, after we deafeted them, correct? He would never do that. You, Otomo Sorin, I can't say much about.



Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Revolting Friendship]

To Miyoshi and Yamana:

I don't have time or interest for this. You are free to speculate to your hearts content, and speak whatever ill of me you please. I will leave it to every man to make his own judgement, and save my strength for leading my forces into battle.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Wundai]

You guys don't even need Kage anymore to compile and summarize the stories :laugh4:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Of course! But he writes good chapters though :clown:

[Wundai]

ok :P

Any clans still open?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Yes there is, Check Stephen Asen's and Kagemusha's Signatures :clown: :yes:!!

[Paradox]

ok :P

Any clans still open?
(Psst, Saito are your friends). :wink3:

[AggonyDuck]

Who would want to play as a leper? Especially one that borders on a Miyoshi puppet?

[Prince Cobra]

Who would want to play as a leper? Especially one that borders on a Miyoshi puppet?

Playing Lepers is my favourite. If I was to join right now, one of my main options would have been the Saito.

About the most interesting clans: I would say the most intriguing as a clan are the Tsutsui; the Saito and Ashina are also fine. I do not exclude the Ukita, either. It depends what you are looking for.

I am proud to present publicly my personal org. webpage. I have tried to present the situation and also to be as objective as possible. Unfortunately, Kage is testing my patience and there are still no news from the new chapter.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/userpage.php?do=main&userid=15538

[Seign Thelas]

One of the most effective leaders of the Sengoku era was a leper. Don't hate on Otani Yoshitsugu. Favorite general of the era, by far.

[Monk]

Playing Lepers is my favourite. If I was to join right now, one of my main options would have been the Saito.

About the most interesting clans: I would say the most intriguing as a clan are the Tsutsui; the Saito and Ashina are also fine. I do not exclude the Ukita, either. It depends what you are looking for.

I am proud to present publicly my personal org. webpage. I have tried to present the situation and also to be as objective as possible. Unfortunately, Kage is testing my patience and there are still no news from the new chapter.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/userpage.php?do=main&userid=15538

Love the userpage, i feel the Mogami are represented quite well. :2thumbsup: :laugh4:

[Kagemusha]

Wellcome Wundai.Great to have you with us my friend!:2thumbsup: Stephen Asen has pretty much outlined the largest clans available in his personal webpage. I should get the chapter out this weekend, so if you pick fast you can join in immediately once the chapter is out. Check the first postof this thread to see the locations of each Clan etc.:bow:

[Revolting Friendship]

You go Kage. :whip:
;)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

YAY Kagemusha! :crown:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hurry Kage! :clown:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

https://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4741/bhcwarman888sig1.png


Would you like to use this Kage :crown:?

[Kagemusha]

I am sorry but Warman is starting now suspended from this game, because of certain issues concerning a game on another forum hosted by him which seems to be a complete plagiarization of this one.

I hope this thing can be solved as soon as possible without any misunderstandings.:stwshame:

[AggonyDuck]

Well in defense of Warman, the kid is pretty much a junkie badly in need of a fix. When he couldn't get a fix from you, he decided to try to manufacture his own stuff to give him one. The clearest hint of that is that he was planning to play as the Imagawa in his own IH. :smash:

[Thermal]

Can't you just co-host it with him, harsh to kick him off this one, :shame:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I am sorry but Warman is starting now suspended from this game, because of certain issues concerning a game on another forum hosted by him which seems to be a complete plagiarization of this one.

I hope this thing can be solved as soon as possible without any misunderstandings.:stwshame:



Well what you expect me to do then? I'm doing things in the IH that you aren't doing in yours. Last time I check also, It's actually active. So If I close my game down, you going to let me back in Kage? :stwmean:



What is it Duck? I mean, I wanted to do Imagawa when I first joined, but it was not open atm. So I took Yamana, and fell in love every since with Yamana, while I always had a love for Imagawa! :clown:





Good luck then Kagemusha. Thanks for you lack of support and help and good luck in your game.

[Prince Cobra]

Warman, Duckie simply tried to help... (One of the few occasions I share his opinion ~;))

Warman, Kage, I will be glad if you find a proper solution. I am not pleased to see that nice (in my estimation) people like you two quarrel. :smash::wall:

[Thermal]

Well what you expect me to do then? I'm doing things in the IH that you aren't doing in yours. Last time I check also, It's actually active. So If I close my game down, you going to let me back in Kage? :stwmean:



What is it Duck? I mean, I wanted to do Imagawa when I first joined, but it was not open atm. So I took Yamana, and fell in love every since with Yamana, while I always had a love for Imagawa! :clown:





Good luck then Kagemusha. Thanks for you lack of support and help and good luck in your game.

And don't close your twc one, your going to let countless people down, including myself

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

And don't close your twc one, your going to let countless people down, including myself



I am not. I would make a fool out of myself, my superiors, and let down many people, including you and Fahad I, who came over to do my IH. I thank you two.

:bow:


Of course Stephen. I would like to solve this problem as soon as possible. It would not be good if Kage starts suspending good IH players here, with a lack of IH players we already have. I have no beef with Kagemusha, I just strongly disargee with his course of action.


I will PM him. :yes:

[Thermal]

OK then, sorry I misinterpreted you

We should advertise IH's, not many know anything about them, I'm off that wagon myself.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

OK then, sorry I misinterpreted you

We should advertise IH's, not many know anything about them, I'm off that wagon myself.




Yes we should.
:yes:

I have contacted Kagemusha and awaiting a responce. I am not pleased with this suspension, but I am hoping we can work something out :yes:.

[Thermal]

It's as much a tribute to Kagemusha's IH & a sign of your enthusiasm as much as a copyright fraudulent scheme, I wouldn't want to decide (though If I was Kage I'd let you carry on playing, he's being a bit extreme)

[Monk]

Plagiarism is not a mark of flattery.

[Revolting Friendship]

Plagiarism is not a mark of flattery.

I concur. On a different note, it would be kind of cool with the next chapter around now.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Plagiarism is not a mark of flattery.

Argeed, but I did not commit plagiarism, if Kage likes it or not. I sent him a PM, he never responded. I presume he is busy with RL.


What is he doing to do? Permantly banned me from this IH? How about other players here that are playing in my IH, ban them to for supporting me? The Game will go far then! Ban the my 2 friends from COD4 that come here, since they might join the IH? Join anyone else who joins if you guys advertise, because they might go to TWC and support me there also?

This is the last I will mention this suspenion in this thread. I do not reconize it.

[Prince Cobra]

I'll be glad if we close the off-topic discussion for now. Thank you all! :bow:

[AggonyDuck]

Dear Kanrei,

We are curious of why you still make use of your puppet. It serves you no true purpose nor does it serve to legitimise your illusionary rule. Only through power can you gain legitimity and clinging on to a defunct shogunate does not serve that purpose. Stop this charade and stamp your authority over these lands. The ironic thing about our war is, that the Oda clan are not fundamentally opposed to Miyoshi rule, we only oppose the charade that is the Ashikaga Shogunate. It is a remnant of the past, that must be discarded if Japan is to progress and rival these gaijin in power. Prolonging the Ashikaga Shogunate will only serve to further the stagnation of these lands. These lands need a true Shogun, not a mere figurehead.

Oda Nobunaga

[Prince Cobra]

Dear Kanrei,

We are curious of why you still make use of your puppet. It serves you no true purpose nor does it serve to legitimise your illusionary rule. Only through power can you gain legitimity and clinging on to a defunct shogunate does not serve that purpose. Stop this charade and stamp your authority over these lands. The ironic thing about our war is, that the Oda clan are not fundamentally opposed to Miyoshi rule, we only oppose the charade that is the Ashikaga Shogunate. It is a remnant of the past, that must be discarded if Japan is to progress and rival these gaijin in power. Prolonging the Ashikaga Shogunate will only serve to further the stagnation of these lands. These lands need a true Shogun, not a mere figurehead.

Oda Nobunaga

Dear Rebel,

I have not expected you to understand what is the meaning of the word honour. People like you and the Hosokawa led to the downfall of the Shogunate. I support the Shogun because I believe his name is still able to bring peace and prosperity to Nippon. You say you do not oppose the Miyoshi? This little matters now. You offended my master the Shogun, whom I have always served, but you also brought grief to my own family. You murdered my to be son-in-law, namely Asakura Yoshikage, another loyal servant to the Shogunate. There is no way back for either you and me. This will be a brutal war and I will fight it till my last drop of blood. And I will not rest until I see your head and the head of your shadow Asai Nagamasa on a spear.

Your enemy,
Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

[AggonyDuck]

Dear Rebel,

I have not expected you to understand what is the meaning of the word honour. People like you and the Hosokawa led to the downfall of the Shogunate. I support the Shogun because I believe his name is still able to bring peace and prosperity to Nippon. You say you do not oppose the Miyoshi? This little matters now. You offended my master the Shogun, whom I have always served, but you also brought grief to my own family. You murdered my to be son-in-law, namely Asakura Yoshikage, another loyal servant to the Shogunate. There is no way back for either you and me. This will be a brutal war and I will fight it till my last drop of blood. And I will not rest until I see your head and the head of your shadow Asai Nagamasa on a spear.

Your enemy,
Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

You actually expect the name of Shogun, who is the subject of ridicule throughout Nippon, to bring peace and prosperity to our lands? The stale air of Kyoto surely must have addled your mind. He does not even rule over his own palace, yet you expect that our warring lords would be willing to serve and follow that man? I feel only contempt for a servile man, who willingly accepts his lack of freedom, but for a slave posing as the Shogun I feel only utter disgust. The Shogun is a worm that needs to be put out of his servile misery! We can not be ruled by a man worthy of only ridicule and contempt!

Oda Nobunaga

[Prince Cobra]

You actually expect the name of Shogun, who is the subject of ridicule throughout Nippon, to bring peace and prosperity to our lands? The stale air of Kyoto surely must have addled your mind. He does not even rule over his own palace, yet you expect that our warring lords would be willing to serve and follow that man? I feel only contempt for a servile man, who willingly accepts his lack of freedom, but for a slave posing as the Shogun I feel only utter disgust. The Shogun is a worm that needs to be put out of his servile misery! We can not be ruled by a man worthy of only ridicule and contempt!

Oda Nobunaga


I believe you are quite unfamiliar with the situation in Kyoto, Oda Nobunaga. I sincerely hope that you will soon receive a clearer idea what exactly the situation in Kinai is.

[Wishazu]

Sorry to interupt the "in character" discussion going on but I just wanted to know what the status of the next update is. Thanks

:bow:

[Kagemusha]

Ok. I am back. Since Warmans pm box is full i cant answer to him via pm. I will continue this game and next chapter will be coming out the next few days. Since i dont have any copyright over my idea. Warman can post (his) game in TWC and i wish he can make it as entertaining as possible. Nevertheless. When we consider that he has been already caught of using double account in this game previously to suit his purposes and now he will be busy in hosting his (own) game in TWC, he cant continue playing Yamana anymore in this one. I hope this is suitable compromise for all participants. I hope this has been worth it for all parties involved.:bow:

Kage

[Wishazu]

I`m pretty sure everyone will respect your decision my friend.

:bow:

[Ravie]

Sounds like a thought out decision and a fair one. Roll on the next chapter!

[Wishazu]

Still no progression on this then?

[FearofNC]

maybe it would help if we all got together and spoke... im sure we can come to some sort of an agreement.. do you have steam kage?

[Kagemusha]

Im writing the chapter right now. It should be ready later today. Im sorry for the prolonged wait, caused by me having to rewrite the chapter and also with other distracting business earlier mentioned.:stwshame:

[AggonyDuck]

:2thumbsup:

[Revolting Friendship]

Oh man, a new chapter before I have to hit the sack would be totally rad

[AggonyDuck]

Kage, can we expect a new chapter in the next few hours or should I just head to bed?

[Revolting Friendship]

Today then, maybe. :P

[Tiberius of the Drake]

Hey,

Ive been having hell in Rl recently. But now that I have things under control, (and I have highspeed internet again) I was hoping to get back involved in this IH. Can anyone direct me to where I can find a summary of what has happened over the last few months (?).

[Prince Cobra]

Hey,

Ive been having hell in Rl recently. But now that I have things under control, (and I have highspeed internet again) I was hoping to get back involved in this IH. Can anyone direct me to where I can find a summary of what has happened over the last few months (?).

You missed a chapter and the heroic death of Asakura Yoshikage, the last of the Asakura clan. Welcome back! :bow:

[Revolting Friendship]

It is time!

[Tiberius of the Drake]

for....

[AggonyDuck]

an update!

[Kagemusha]

Chapter 16, Winter 1564

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Writers Note: My apologies for this chapter being more like report rather then a chapter. The reason for this is that i have lost an incomplete chapter, when the Org decided to eat it and another one in a computer crash. Thus i have found impossible to find motivation to rewrite the chapter for the third time.- Kage

In Kyushu, the winter was spent peacefully. The only thing braking the serenity was the sounds of work on shipyards around the island.

In Chugoku, The remnants of the Shimazu and Otomo army seemed to take an agressive stand. Mori scouts spotted that against earlier speculations. The allied army turned and started marching towards Yamaguchi castle.

Kobayakawa Takakage who was dispatched with a large mobile force from Nagato received word from the enemys move early on was able to intercept the enemy army before it reached Yamaguchi. After some skirmishing he was able to determine that the force was not the whole of enemy but a rearguard sent to decept the enemy. Takakage made a short work of the Otomo rearguard and moved to coast to witness that majority of the enemy had embarked and returned to Kyushu.

In Shikoku. Chosokabe Motochika seemed to had decided to entrench himself to his domain. Upgrading of both of the Chosokabe castles were started.

In Kinki. Lots of manouvering happened with little results. Oda, Hatakeyama, Tokugawa and Asai armies moved in coordination to catch the Miyoshi besieging Asai capital, but all of this was in vain since Miyoshi withdrew from Omi right at the start of November.

In Ise tragedy struck the Kitabatake. Shortly after placed back in their previous domain, the end of the Clan came in hands of assasins. Shinobi dressed as Miyoshi warriors were able to surprise Anotsu castles night guards. The assasins were able to enter the main Donjon of the castle and set it to light, killing Daimyo Kitabatake Tomonori and his family, burning alive themselves also in the process, before Miyshi troops were able to brake in the Donjon. The commander of the Mioyshi forces was able to remain in control of the situation, thus placing Ise under direct Miyoshi control.

In Kanto the winter was spent in relative peace as the forces of different Clans withdrew to their winter quarters. Some troop movements were witnessed, but nothing leading to direct confrontations.

In Tohoku, Date and Mogami attacked Oura in coordination. Unfortunately the attack of about 4000 allied warriors was defeated by Oura Tameaki with a surprise night attack at the end of the season. When the besiegers were already exhausted by the terrible winter conditions and attrition.

Notes: Warman has been closed from the game, so i am now in control of Yamana. Also Seignthelass has taken over the Suzuki clan, leaving Hojo to my control. Also wellcome back Khaan and Tiberius of the Drake who are actively taking control of their clans.:bow:

[AggonyDuck]

Thanks for the update Kage. :bow:

[AggonyDuck]

When will we get the info pm's?

[Revolting Friendship]

Ôtomo Sorin sits on a field-stool in the Usuki harbor square, flanked by his bodyguard and senior vassals. Watching the combined Shimazu and Ôtomo troops disembark from the ragged Shimazu ships, anchored in the harbor before him, he allows a slight grin escape to his face. As the troops enter the square and arrange themselves into their respective units in front of him, he nods to himself repeatedly, bursting with satisfaction. The soldiers are clearly tired, their clothes and armor torn and worn from the long campaign, but they too are shining from pride and relief of an operation successfully concluded.

It was late february, the weather mild, early midday and sun shining. A soft northerly wind animated the many banners gently, with seagulls singing to the tunes of marching feet and rattling armament.
The relatively short Kyûshû winter was already in the progress of melting away, giving in to approaching spring. The air was full of strong scents.

As the blocks of soldiers had come into order, Sorin made a slight gesture with his right hand, at which the drums arrayed among his attendance started thundering. Sorin pulled his fan from his sash and lifted it high, holding it out over the returning heroes. After a short moment, the drums went silent again, as abruptly as they had started, only echoes of their blasts escaping among the surrounding buildings. A brief moment of complete silence followed, everyone standing at attention.

"EEEeeiiiii!"

"OOOOOOOOOooooo!!!!"

"EEEeeiiiii!"

"OOOOOOOOOOOOooooo!!!!"

"EEEeeiiiii!"

"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo!!!!"

During the victory cries, the standard bearers had marched out and presented themselves before Sorin and the Shimazu representative, and as the calls ended, the great banners were lowered before the two men, the Ôtomo and Shimazu respectively;

"In all the world, only you are to be respected!", -the bearers called unanimously, at which all the men raised their spears to the sky and cheered loudly.

-

The ritual of victory completed, and note-worthy heads duly inspected and commendations rewarded, Sorin rode in procession through Usuki together with the returning generals, the other prominent samurai in trail. At Sorins right side rode Iriki-in Shigetoyo, who had come on behalf of Takahisa to represent the Shimazu. The people were cheering both the clans; there was a deep sense of pride and unity in the air. While the expansion into Chugoku had failed, it was understandable given the odds, but the series of well-planned operations that led to a spotless withdrawal had wiped clean any sense of loss and shame, and many tales of great accomplishments were already circulating warm among the common folks.

The company later arrived at Sorin's Usuki mansion via the Nioza district, where fancy celebrations waited for the more senior among the warriors. Meanwhile, the common soldiers were quartered in the barracks by the harbour, but were granted free food and drink in plenty and 3 full days of leave, to rest from the long months of fighting and marching. After that, the Shimazu soldiers were to again embark their ships and sail south to Satsuma, where they would finally get to share the victory with their beloved Lord, and once again join with their waiting families.


OOC:
Thanks for the update Kage! Short but informative. ;) I'm just happy that we can get the story going again, and hope you'll have better luck with future chapters.

[Kagemusha]

Info pms will arrive this weekend.:bow:

[Marshal Murat]

Much appreciated Kage, much appreciated.

[patdj]

"So the Ôtomos' hospitality is as good as the people tell, Shigetoyo?"
Shimazu Takahisa was standing on the top of the main stairs, going directly from Kagoshima castle down to the harbour. 8 ships were lying there with Shimazu Samurai debarking. A huge crowd had gathered itself among the Samurai. Mainly women and children were welcoming their fathers, husbands, brothers and sons. By Shimazu Takahisas command, the bereaved had been informed in advance, so the athmosphere was perfectly cheerful.
"It definitely is, my Lord. Not only that the Victory Ceremony honoured his as well as your men adequately, he also provided them all with a 3 days rest and meals. I do not know if our men would have been able to stand the journey down to Kagoshima and Hyūga without his support. They are totally depleted."
"I see..."
Takahisa started walking down the stairs to get a closer look. The ships looked wrecked, but the men seemed, apart from their equipment, to be in a rather good state.
"Do we have the workforce to repair the ships besides the new constructions?"
"I suppose we have, my Lord."
"You suppose..?"
"If we do not, I will find a way to find more workers, my Lord."
Takahisa nodded. Representatives of the different units were filing up for him at the bottom of the stairs while the respective Samurai quickly dragged themselves away from their beloved ones and gathered formation.
"I do not wish to steal to much of your time. From what I heard you already enjoyed Lord Ôtomo's Victory Ceremony and his hospitality, but what warriors of your quality deserve most when coming home is the love of their family. That is why I you hear childrens' laughter instead of drums and see tears of joy instead of large banners.
I want you to know that everyone of you, and everyone lying dead on the fields of Western Honshû has my deep respect.
Still I wish to remind you of the fact that this war is not over, and that we will definitely need warriors like you to stand the upcoming battles. So be prepared, and give hand to those families who have no one to welcome."
Takahisa bowed, and so did his soldiers. The unit leader banged their pennant on the floor twice, followed by victory cries of the men behind them:
*bomm-bomm* "Hoooooo!"
*bomm-bomm* "Hoooooo!"
*bom-bom-bom* "Hohohooooooo!"
Shimazu Takahisa turned and climbed up the stairs back to the castle. Iriki-in Shigetoyo followed him in some distance.
"My Lord, do you wish the soldiers that arrived in Hyūga to come to Kagoshima immediately?"
"They shall - like the ones that arrived here - travel directly to their homelands for two weeks time and remain prepared for spontaneous operation."
"As you wish, my Lord."
Iriki-in Shigetoyo bowed deep and backed away, while Takahisa and two bodyguards crossed the main yard towards the entrance of the castle.



OOC:
Thanks for the new chapter! Wanted to make a quick post to state my presence, but it got somewhat longer. :wall: Best regards from Tokyo (Edo)!

[Monk]

OOC:

Good to see the stagnation come to an end in a glorious update, well done Kage! IC reactions will be forth coming. Looks like my troops got obliterated in Oura territory. They shall be avenged! :skull:

[King Kurt]

Welcome back Kage - nice update.

Interesting to read the victory celbrations of an army that attempted to conquer the lands of the Mori and the Amako who got truely whipped and scurred back home on a ramshackle fleet - what will happen if they ever manage a victory?? - well I don't think we have to worry about that do we!!:laugh4:

[Kagemusha]

I will try my best to get information for all the players this evening. Also one more great news is that Ichigo will be taking over Ashina Clan of Eastern Japan. I think his clan might turn out to be very well deciding factor to the deadlock of Eastern Japan.:bow:

[King Kurt]

Where is this so called Eastern Japan - it is obliviously outside of the civilised sphere that is Western Japan of the Amako and Mori - a haven of tranquillity and peace now our mighty forces have vanquished the running dogs of Otomo Sorin and his lackeys who even now thrust out their chests in false glory despite many of their warriors' bones bleaching the grassy plains of the Mori shore.

The Lords of Western Japan have no interest in these backwaters of Eastern Japan and will sit, mildly amused, on the bylines, as the outlaws and brigands who undoubltedly populate these wastelands scrap like rabid dogs to assert their command over this worthless domain.

[patdj]

50%OOC:
While thinking of the right words to welcome Ichigo among the warlords of his time, Shimazu Takahisa wanders around the sunny and untouched forrests of Southern Kyûshû. How depraved and wasted must it look in the lands of the Amako and the Mori? There, where so many fires have burned, so many houses and walls had been demolished and so many honourable men had left their lifes. And how good it was, that this battle had been fought on these fool's territory and not on his beautiful isle...
With these awefull pictures in his head - of the poor Honshû peasants cleaning their ricefields from bodies and blood, because their landlords were incapable of effective defense - he finally finds the right words: "Kick asses!"

[Herakleitos]

The great warrior Oura Tameaki has made good use of this winter's conditions so it seems. However he will not live to see another snowflake fall.

[Revolting Friendship]

Lord Amako, before you set out to downsize our successes and embellish our failures, you might want to think about your own accomplishments and failures. Because they, just as ours, will be measured against your own judgements. If Kyûshû is as you claim, then what do you have to show for?

I believe it's fair to say, that withdrawing was the only sensible thing to do, given the circumstances. I openly stated this to be my intention. You and your allies openly stated for the complete annihilation of our army and my own death.
It is no understatement that me and my esteemed ally carried out our intentions beyond expectation. The operation was well planned and saw complete success. All in all, less than 5000 men were lost for us, and 4 ships. At the same time, we instated heavy casualites on your combined army and skillfully outmanouvered it. All this was accomplished with vast numerical inferiority.

This is why we celebrate the recent events as a victory. Maybe you truly think nothing of it, but remember; the scales you use for others will be used also for yourself.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Kagemusha]

From Oura,

We will not answer to Date Harumune´s congratulations nor his threats. We do not expect justice from the likes of Date or Mogami, but what we want is for the rest of the Lords of Nippon to know is that trusting those two is perilous.

During the war of Nanbu against Date and their allies. We decided to throw our lot to Date´s side. They promised us independency in Northern Mutsu, but what happened. Not before Nanbu Harumasa´s blood had gone cold, Date and Mogami crossed our borders. Unfortunately they did not send enough men, so i drove them away.

I am not talking to either of them as i dont think they are worth having conversation with. I am talking to Uesugi and Ashina. Think Lords. If Date and Mogami brake their promises so easily. What is there to expect when they will be done with my Clan and they have nowhere to expand? Whose back they will aim their weapons then?

Oura Tameaki

[Monk]

You were valiant and your defense tenacious, Oura, but do not mistake a set back for a defeat. The flesh of my men was striken by cold far often than it was by your steel, however, as the winter drags on I must come to admit that it is I who sit reflecting upon my men's defeat, while you drink victorious sake in a warm pagoda.

You have won this day and perhaps you will win another, but I am a patient man. And I never make the same mistake twice. Savor your victory, Lord Oura, for your mettle will be tested again. Of that you may have no doubt.

Mogami Yoshimori

[Prince Cobra]

My grief knows no limits for I have lost another dear ally. I order the ashes of Kitabatake clan to be buried into the holy land of Kyoto as a recognition for the great contribution of this clan to the power of the Shogunate. I, Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei of Nippon take the burden to avenge their death and to put to death the rebels from the Asai, Oda, Tokugawa and Iga.

I am also surprised by the violance in the lands of Oura. How shall I interpret this?



Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei of Nippon

[Revolting Friendship]

I, Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei of Nippon take the burden to avenge their death

Excellent, I shall be looking forward to your seppuku. I will gladly act as your kaishakunin, Kanrei.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Prince Cobra]

Excellent, I shall be looking forward to your seppuku. I will gladly act as your kaishakunin, Kanrei.

Ôtomo Sorin

I am not a fool to make such wrong moves like attacking my own allies right now, Otomo Sorin. I believe the Kitabatake were assassinated in order to discredit me and to weaken the position of the loyal to the Shogunate forces in Ise. Kitabatake turned out to be good ally who could have been of immense use during the war against the Oda.

At first I suspected the Iga shinobi but now I am not that sure. Maybe your cunning mind plotted this assassination? Or, which is more likely, you are just trying to twist the situation in your favour. Anyway, I hope you have been careful with the sake during the celebrations of your 'victory'. :bow:

[Revolting Friendship]

Ofcourse Miyoshi, you gain a province and we gain the blame as murderers. I can see how much we had to gain from this extremely difficult attack on a heavily guarded castle, in a time when we are hardest pressed for money.

Exactly how much more use was the young and inexperienced Lord Tomonori to you aside from his land and his troops? And everyone knows, you would lose nothing of it, should he be killed.

However, I will believe you, if you appoint another man from the Kitabatake clan to rule Ise. I'm sure not all of them perished in that fire. It would be the just thing to do if you are indeed innocent. If you do this, I know you did not assassinate Tomonori...

But If you do not do it, I know it was you. And so will everyone else know.

[Prince Cobra]

3) Ofcourse Miyoshi, you gain a province and we gain the blame as murderers. I can see how much we had to gain from this extremely difficult attack on a heavily guarded castle, in a time when we are hardest pressed for money.

2) Exactly how much more use was the young and inexperienced Lord Tomonori to you aside from his land and his troops? And everyone knows, you would lose nothing of it, should he be killed.

1) However, I will believe you, if you appoint another man from the Kitabatake clan to rule Ise. I'm sure not all of them perished in that fire. It would be the just thing to do if you are indeed innocent. If you do this, I know you did not assassinate Tomonori...

But If you do not do it, I know it was you. And so will everyone else know.

1)Maybe I have to wait for more information about this sudden disaster and its impact (from Kage).

2.1)Hmm, he outsmarted Asai Nagamasa once. He knew Ise well.
2.2) Assassinations and backstabbing can lead to complications if they fail, Lord Otomo. I do not think a friendly province worthed such a gamble.

3) Hm, you forget that there are many Iga shinobi available + each daimyo has trusted men for this purpose. :bow:

[Revolting Friendship]

Paid men do not kill themselves to cover their tracks.
If you did not do this, then you have no reason not to give Ise back to the Kitabatake. Am I wrong? The Kitabatake is an old family, there are plenty of candidates for succession.

[Revolting Friendship]

To the Portuguese Governor of Macau, Diogo Pereira.

Most honoured Captain-Major, and in Asia representative of his Royal Sovereign, Philip II, King of Spain and Portugal.

As you know, our country of Japan is currently at war. On one side you have the christian Daimyô of Kyûshû and their allies, whom you trade with through our port at Nagasaki. We have also embraced your faith in God, and his son Jesus Christ, and allow His missionaries to carry out their work in our lands.

On the other side, you have the selfproclaimed Kanrei, Miyoshi Chokei and his supporters, who are declared enemies against God and known persecutors of His believers. I am sure you know of his edicts and the massacres of christians, carried out in his name.

It is therefore with good reason that I now make this request, so that the christian faith may be secured in Japan, and also your continued right to trade with us however you please.
Thus, I ask for the following:

-That your merchants boycott trade with all clans that we are at war with, and only sell guns and cannons to us, our allies and those who declare support for our alliance.
-We also ask that you provide us the assistance of a squadron of your warships, to safeguard our mutual interests in Japan.

-In the return, your ships are allowed to anchor and trade in any of the ports controlled by us, and also those of our allies if they consent to it.
-Furthermore, the continued safety and work of your missionaries will be guaranteed, as long as they abide by the rules of the Daimyô.
-Lastly, you will be granted a lot of land in Nagasaki, where you will be allowed to establish a trading district, as a safe haven for your merchants. This area will be allowed to operate under the laws of your country, for as long as peaceful relations remain between us.

I hope that you, just as I, realize that there are only benefits from this agreement, and that your profits in trading with us will only increase.

your faithful ally,
Ôtomo Sorin

[Rhyfelwyr]

Are there any clans free ATM?

Think I might give this a go, since my last exam will be over by tomorrow afternoon... got to do something besides playing EB heh. :book:

[Kagemusha]

Are there any clans free ATM?

Think I might give this a go, since my last exam will be over by tomorrow afternoon... got to do something besides playing EB heh. :book:

Wellcome Rhyfelwyr. You can see the free clans from my signature. Check the maps from the first page of this thread and pick one. If you are fast i can take you in for this chapter already so you will receive your starting information as the last ones will get their situation reports.:bow:

[Rhyfelwyr]

Can I take Yamana? They look like they have some 1 province pickings nearby :eyebrows:

[Kagemusha]

Can I take Yamana? They look like they have some 1 province pickings nearby :eyebrows:

Allright Yamana then it is.You should get your starting information this evening. Wellcome to the game.~:)

[Prince Cobra]

To the Portuguese Governor of Macau, Diogo Pereira.

Most honoured Captain-Major, and in Asia representative of his Royal Sovereign, Philip II, King of Spain and Portugal.

As you know, our country of Japan is currently at war. On one side you have the christian Daimyô of Kyûshû and their allies, whom you trade with through our port at Nagasaki. We have also embraced your faith in God, and his son Jesus Christ, and allow His missionaries to carry out their work in our lands.

On the other side, you have the selfproclaimed Kanrei, Miyoshi Chokei and his supporters, who are declared enemies against God and known persecutors of His believers. I am sure you know of his edicts and the massacres of christians, carried out in his name.

It is therefore with good reason that I now make this request, so that the christian faith may be secured in Japan, and also your continued right to trade with us however you please.
Thus, I ask for the following:

-That your merchants boycott trade with all clans that we are at war with, and only sell guns and cannons to us, our allies and those who declare support for our alliance.
-We also ask that you provide us the assistance of a squadron of your warships, to safeguard our mutual interests in Japan.

-In the return, your ships are allowed to anchor and trade in any of the ports controlled by us, and also those of our allies if they consent to it.
-Furthermore, the continued safety and work of your missionaries will be guaranteed, as long as they abide by the rules of the Daimyô.
-Lastly, you will be granted a lot of land in Nagasaki, where you will be allowed to establish a trading district, as a safe haven for your merchants. This area will be allowed to operate under the laws of your country, for as long as peaceful relations remain between us.

I hope that you, just as I, realize that there are only benefits from this agreement, and that your profits in trading with us will only increase.

your faithful ally,
Ôtomo Sorin

I am inquisitive to hear the comments of the other daimyo on this. Otomo Sorin, it seems you and your allies are completely unable to do your work alone and now you are begging foreigners for their help. This is a violation of the customs in our Empire and it only shows how stupid you are. I hope a loyal sword to the Shogun and His Emperor will touch your neck soon and relieve you from your pitiful existence on this earth. None of my ancestors have ever seen such a dishonourable act and I believe that the only thing you must do now is to commit seppuku. I believe that your act is so dishonourable that you do not deserve to have even a kaishakunin.

[Monk]

Not even I, master-mind of the daring (if failed) winter assault on the Oura domain, would have stooped so low as to seek the aid of foreigners not of our lands in overcoming my enemies. I sincerely hope the rumors I have heard of Ôtomo's request for aid are nothing but rumors. Surely, such an outrageous tale must be?

Mogami Yoshimori

[Seign Thelas]

I do point out to the Portugese AND Dutch traders interested in trade with Asia, that the Saika mercenary-controlled port near Kumano will always be open to trade, and we will not discriminate based on religion or race. Perhaps these Europeans would like some Japanese-made Saika muskets?

However, Lord Otomo is a dishonorable whelp and will find no quarter or friendly hand in my land, only thousands of muskets pointed at his cowardly family.

Signed,
Lord Suzuki Shigeoki, Lord of Saika Castle

[AggonyDuck]

The Oda clan is disappointed to see the Ôtomo ask for support from the Gaijin. It strikes us as tremendous folly. This is first and foremost a Japanese war and inviting foreign devils to join will bring ruin upon a divided nation. Has the mighty Sorin pondered on the possibility of the gaijin of wanting more than just a trading quarter within our nation, especially when they notice the extent of our internal divisions? But it is with an even heavier heart, that I must admit that I will continue my alliance with the Ôtomo until the defeat of the Miyoshi, because the Oda clan currently cannot afford to lose an ally in our war against Miyoshi.

Oda Nobunaga

[Prince Cobra]

The Oda clan is disappointed to see the Ôtomo ask for support from the Gaijin. It strikes us as tremendous folly. This is first and foremost a Japanese war and inviting foreign devils to join will bring ruin upon a divided nation. Has the mighty Sorin pondered on the possibility of the gaijin of wanting more than just a trading quarter within our nation, especially when they notice the extent of our internal divisions? But it is with an even heavier heart, that I must admit that I will continue my alliance with the Ôtomo until the defeat of the Miyoshi, because the Oda clan currently cannot afford to lose an ally in our war against Miyoshi.

Oda Nobunaga

In other words, Oda Nobunaga will continue to play the role of Otomo puppet. :leer:

[AggonyDuck]

Dear Kanrei,

we thank you for your concern, but be assured, there is no need to be worried about the independence of the Oda, for as you may have noticed, we have considerable experience in cutting the strings of would-be puppeteers. :bow:

Oda Nobunaga

[Revolting Friendship]

Don't be silly, Nippon is built on the shoulders of foreign influence. Our clothes are foreign, or written letters are foreign, our customs are foreign, our religions are foreign, our war principles are foreign, our court system is foreign. Everything that makes us great has been imported from the continent, from foreigners. You all use teppô and cannon do you not? What is wrong with making alliances and depriving your enemies of their supplies? Is this not strategies you all take advantage of?

I may have done one thing that you would not, and that is to state my intentions openly. Firstly because I'm sick and tired of all the masquerades, and secondly because I want you to know.

Our strenght is in adaptiveness, through this we excell, and the most fundamental principle of a warrior is this; that the main thing is winning, do it by any means nessecary. This is the foundation of the art of war, upon which all strategy rest.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Kagemusha]

Message from the Ishiyama Honganji,

For too long Christian heretics have been tolerated. Now with the open letter of Otomo daimyo. We can see the true colour of Christians. They are nothing more then traitors, ready to submit to foreign devils. From this day on Otomo Sorin can think himself being at war with the pure land sect.

[Revolting Friendship]

Interesting words from a sect that is at war with its own countries religions and practices, a sect that was among the first to show slavish devotion to the "demonical foreigners" weapons. You all amuse me, greatly. Trust me when I say that I already assumed that you were violenty opposed to me, as you're already violently opposed to fellow buddhists, simply for them having different views on indigenous practices!

As soon as I land in Settsu, I shall torch your disgusting fortress and rid Nippon of one of its greatest plagues.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Prince Cobra]

Try to step on any of my provinces, Otomo and I shall show you how I treat traitors. I welcome the support from the Ishiyama Honganji.

[AggonyDuck]

Don't be silly, Nippon is built on the shoulders of foreign influence. Our clothes are foreign, or written letters are foreign, our customs are foreign, our religions are foreign, our war principles are foreign, our court system is foreign. Everything that makes us great has been imported from the continent, from foreigners. You all use teppô and cannon do you not? What is wrong with making alliances and depriving your enemies of their supplies? Is this not strategies you all take advantage of?

I may have done one thing that you would not, and that is to state my intentions openly. Firstly because I'm sick and tired of all the masquerades, and secondly because I want you to know.

Our strenght is in adaptiveness, through this we excell, and the most fundamental principle of a warrior is this; that the main thing is winning, do it by any means nessecary. This is the foundation of the art of war, upon which all strategy rest.

Ôtomo Sorin


It is one thing to adapt their weapons and technology and a completely another thing to invite them into our civil war. We already have their weapons and the ability to produce them ourself. Even now gun factories in Echizen, Kii and Suruga are busy producing these weapons of war and our products are beginning to surpass theirs. It is our ability to adapt the best from foreign, make it ours and improve it that is our true strength. What breaks my heart is that, we did not need them to win this war and in the process you have made my position completely untenable. This request has completely alienated all those who might have been willing to support us in the war against the Miyoshi. I will withdraw into personal quarters now, as I have to meditate on this matter to find the right way.

Oda Nobunaga

[Seign Thelas]

Interesting words from a sect that is at war with its own countries religions and practices, a sect that was among the first to show slavish devotion to the "demonical foreigners" weapons. You all amuse me, greatly. Trust me when I say that I already assumed that you were violenty opposed to me, as you're already violently opposed to fellow buddhists, simply for them having different views on indigenous practices!

As soon as I land in Settsu, I shall torch your disgusting fortress and rid Nippon of one of its greatest plagues.

Ôtomo Sorin

Use what's useful (their weapons), and throw the worthless part out (them).

This is the Suzuki way, and we will follow the declarations of Lord Kennyo until our demise.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Dear Lords,

I am not surprised by the actions of the Otomo clan, I expect that is was either them or Lord Oda who unleashed these Iga ninjas? Is your clan so weak you need to buy the support of foreigners, as if your own blood is too weak to make a real samurai?

Regards,

Lord Yamana

[patdj]

Fellow Samurai,

as I am not a man of words I will keep my contribution to this argument short. Like my ally and friend, Ôtomo Sorin already pointed out, our culture has eversince adapted the foreign to our purposes. And as the Suzuki put it, it is reasonable to make use of the usefull und get rid of the useless. Still, you might come to think of the fact that use is a very flexible measurement and should not be defined to hastily.
If you go back in time, and seek for the roots of our culture you will find nothing but our Emperor, of Divine Decent. He is the only Thing in this world that defines us as what we are, and he is not to be controlled by a minor human being like a Kanrei or a Shôgun. That is, what I live, pray and kill for.

Shimazu Takahisa

[Kagemusha]

From Hojo to Shimazu

If you put Tenno before anything in this world. How can you then accept foreign powers meddling in affairs of Nippon, even more so per request of your ally and friend? What could more harm the divine authority of Emperor then letting these Portuguese, who have their own King to become factor in internal affairs of Japan?

Hojo Ujiyasu

[Revolting Friendship]

Don't be rediculous, Lord Hôjô. What we are talking about here is the cooperation of mutual interests. Japan as ever since it became a nation been forged by numerous religious traditions. Taoism, Buddhism, the teachings of Kong Fuzi. Foreign missionaries have always come to the shores of Japan spreading their teachings. Even the ancient scriptures of Shoku Nihongi speaks of christian missionaries coming here during the reign of Emperor Shõmu, being recieved at his court.

In keeping with the spirit of freedom and adaptability that lives in our people, we are not doing anything that our people has not already been doing for centuries. We are not making ourselves vassals of the europeans but allies, cooperating with them because we have mutual interests. Because we do not believe that our country should be isolated and ruled by cynicism, backwardness and hostility towards other cultures and practices. Such an attitude is arrogant and can only make our nation weaker.

If you want to accuse me of cowardice for seeking alliances over shores, be my guest, but ask yourself this: Is betraying countryman a better way to achieve victory, than allying with foreigners? If our people is so holy, then why do we treat eachother as worthless dogs? If our culture is so superior, then why has it brought about chaos and civil war? We have already been tearing at eachother like rabid dogs for centuries, and still you think what I did is bad? Then you are outrageous hypocrites.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Prince Cobra]

Don't be rediculous, Lord Hôjô. What we are talking about here is the cooperation of mutual interests. Japan as ever since it became a nation been forged by numerous religious traditions. Taoism, Buddhism, the teachings of Kong Fuzi. Foreign missionaries have always come to the shores of Japan spreading their teachings. Even the ancient scriptures of Shoku Nihongi speaks of christian missionaries coming here during the reign of Emperor Shõmu, being recieved at his court.

In keeping with the spirit of freedom and adaptability that lives in our people, we are not doing anything that our people has not already been doing for centuries. We are not making ourselves vassals of the europeans but allies, cooperating with them because we have mutual interests. Because we do not believe that our country should be isolated and ruled by cynicism, backwardness and hostility towards other cultures and practices. Such an attitude is arrogant and can only make our nation weaker.

If you want to accuse me of cowardice for seeking alliances over shores, be my guest, but ask yourself this: Is betraying countryman a better way to achieve victory, than allying with foreigners? If our people is so holy, then why do we treat eachother as worthless dogs? If our culture is so superior, then why has it brought about chaos and civil war? We have already been tearing at eachother like rabid dogs for centuries, and still you think what I did is bad? Then you are outrageous hypocrites.

Ôtomo Sorin

It seems you have completely lost your mind, Lord Otomo.

[Kagemusha]

To Otomo from Hojo,

I dont have anything against foreign influences in everyday life. But asking for foreign military aid is offering them influence over Japan. Should Shogun Ashikaga now call for support from China as he has diplomatic relationship with the Ming?

I am sure that he is not so foolish and can only hope that the Portuguese will respect their agreements with the bakufu and not heed words of rebels and subjugate first Kyushu and then the rest of Japan because you offer them chance to do that.

Hojo Ujiyasu

[Prince Cobra]

To Otomo from Hojo,

I dont have anything against foreign influences in everyday life. But asking for foreign military aid is offering them influence over Japan. Should Shogun Ashikaga now call for support from China as he has diplomatic relationship with the Ming?

I am sure that he is not so foolish and can only hope that the Portuguese will respect their agreements with the bakufu and not heed words of rebels and subjugate first Kyushu and then the rest of Japan because you offer them chance to do that.

Hojo Ujiyasu

The Kanrei, as a member of the bakufu, would like to add that he hopes that the Portuguese are also wise enough not to interfere into the internal affairs of Nippon.

[Seign Thelas]

The Magoichi of the Saika Monto would like to announce proudly that we stand by the Miyoshi in this conflict, and would like to point out to the Ishiyama Honganji if they have any negative feeling toward this decision, that although our sect is against the traditional ways of Japan, Otomo seems to be going for an even stronger warrior class, and they are the greater threat.

[AggonyDuck]

I have meditated on the recent developments and arrived to the conclusion, that we have no other option, than to denounce our alliance with the Ôtomo and the Shimazu clans. I do not want to see foreigners play a part in this war nor do I want to see them have any influence over the politics of Japan. To add to the insult, you failed to even discuss with us, your eastern allies, your idea of inviting these greedy gaijin to support your endeavours. We did not even get a chance to stop you from perpetrating this rank stupidity. Our alliance is void from this moment forward. Your men with us will be given the chance to either join our forces or make their way back to Kyushu on their own.

Oda Nobunaga

[Revolting Friendship]

The Bakufu dishonored any agreements they had with the Portoguese when they decided to issue unprovoked edicts to persecute christians throughout Nippon. Furthermore, making alliances and asking for military support of foreigners is not by any means an odd or shameful occurrance. It is commonplace and I will not refrain from it simply because you make up silly reasons for why I should not.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Prince Cobra]

I have meditated on the recent developments and arrived to the conclusion, that we have no other option, than to denounce our alliance with the Ôtomo and the Shimazu clans. I do not want to see foreigners play a part in this war nor do I want to see them have any influence over the politics of Japan. To add to the insult, you failed to even discuss with us, your eastern allies, your idea of inviting these greedy gaijin to support your endeavours. We did not even get a chance to stop you from perpetrating this rank stupidity. Our alliance is void from this moment forward. Your men with us will be given the chance to either join our forces or make their way back to Kyushu on their own.

Oda Nobunaga


How can I be sure, Oda Nobunaga, that this is not one of the numerous tricks you have used so far. I won't be surprised if you have some secret deal with the same daimyo who so generously sponsored you and your allies.

The Kanrei

[Revolting Friendship]

Why am I not surprised...

Ôtomo Sorin

[AggonyDuck]

How can I be sure, Oda Nobunaga, that this is not one of the numerous tricks you have used so far. I won't be surprised if you have some secret deal with the same daimyo who so generously sponsored you and your allies.

The Kanrei

Seeing as I am still locked in mortal combat with you and like you have already stated, that this has gone too far to ever be resolved peacefully, what does it matter to me if you're sure or not? Does it change a thing in our relations? Unless you are willing to offer us a peace that satisfies us and our condition of continued independence, we will fight against you. As I have stated, I did not want this war with you, but the Oda clan will rather die than surrender our freedom.

Oda Nobunaga

[Prince Cobra]

The synchronism between you and Otomo is obvious, Oda Nobunaga. You knew what kind of person Lord Otomo is when you accepted 10 000 koku in men and gold aid last year. Now you saw that you can not act in public because of the incompetence of Otomo and decided to declare this alliance as "void". I seriously doubt how sincere you are and I hope that not many people will believe you, rebel.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

[Revolting Friendship]

Then it will surely be death, Nobunaga. You and your tattered band of petty allies are helpless without my support. I strongly urge you to rethink your position.

Ôtomo Sorin

[AggonyDuck]

The synchronism between you and Otomo is obvious, Oda Nobunaga. You knew what kind of person Lord Otomo is when you accepted 10 000 koku in men and gold aid last year. Now you saw that you can not act in public because of the incompetence of Otomo and decided to declare this alliance as "void". I seriously doubt how sincere you are and I hope that not many people will believe you, rebel.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

I did not foresee this act of weakness. I can tolerate a Christian daimyo, but one that begs for foreigners to join this war is a completely another matter and I can not call myself the ally of such a man. But as long as you persist with your hostilities against me and my remaining allies, I have little option but to fight you.

Oda Nobunaga

[Wishazu]

Can someone please tell me the deadline for when we have to pm our moves etc. ?

[AggonyDuck]

There ain't one yet, I suppose we'll know once we get our info pm's.

[patdj]

From Shimazu Takahisa to Hôjô Ujiyasu:

I see Your point fellow Daimyô. But still I do not think there is a difference between an armed foreigner and an Ashigaru with the foreigner's weapon, paid with foreign trade's revenues. Since you seem to greatly disrespect the cultures that brought all of You weapons and wealth, You should be very glad to see rather one of them die than a Japanese peasant.
I do not wish to accuse a single one of You of mispresentation, but I am afraid that foreigners entering deeper into Japanese internal affairs do not hurt You as much as them possibly quitting the lucrative trade contracts You pay Your armies with.

Shimazu Takahisa


From Shimazu Takahisa to Oda Nobunaga:

I aggrievingly accept Your decision, Oda Nobunaga, and thank You for concession concerning my men. May God decide on which sides we will be standing the next time our ways cross.

Respectfully,


Shimazu Takahisa

[Kagemusha]

To Shimazu from Hojo,

While we stand on different sides in this conflict. I have nothing personally against the Shimazu Clan.I have only respect for the Satsuma samurai. Nevertheless. I think that you might be mixing up my cautiosness towards Nanban , with hostility.
I see foreigners like fire. We are not alone in this world and foreign inventions and influences are needed for development. So when controlled, Nanban and their goods are essential. But like fire. You cant give them power or it will burn down your house. When you give land to Nanban, were they Portuguese, Dutch or Chinese for example, their interest towards our country will change. Currently their interest are mainly concerning trade. If you allow them to have political interest. I am afraid our Islands then can become targets of expansionism. That is what i am afraid of. Call me coward, but i also was very much afraid and knowledged the combined power of both Uesugi branches and Kanto Kubo when they surrounded my Kawagoe castle with 100 000 men, back in 45. The difference is that one can be and should be afraid of certain things, but you should not give fear a hold of yourself, but use it to your own benefit so you dont lower your guard.

Hojo Ujiyasu

[Rhyfelwyr]

Is there any way to contact the Europeans or Korea to hire men or weapons etc?

[Herakleitos]

From Date Harumune:

Regarding the winter campaign against the traitorous Oura clan. The taken course of action was decided upon after numerous occasions of disrespect to both the Date clan borders and those of our esteemed allies of the Mogami clan. Furthermore the Oura clan are strongly suspected to have secretly supported the Nanbu clan in its vile plans and can therefore not be tolerated to enjoy the possessions that they hold at this moment. Coming spring season they can be sure that their defenses will be tested again.

[Kagemusha]

From Oura,

To put it short. Lord Date is lying. How did we supported Nanbu? When the war started we broke off from being a Nanbu vassal. I dont want to even comment about the disrespect of Clans or their borders. We supported Date and Mogami against Nanbu and this is how they repay their debt of honour. Like i said before all i can do is to warn Uesugi and Ashina about when my Clan is gone. There is little doubt against whom these two wretches turn their weapons.

Oura Tameaki

[AggonyDuck]

Is there any way to contact the Europeans or Korea to hire men or weapons etc?

The thing is that while there are more than enough men and weapons in your lands, you just don't have the wealth to feed them for a year, so there is really nothing to gain by trying to hire foreigners as mercenaries. That said you can buy teppo/cannon from the europeans for a considerable fee, but at the same time Suzuki is selling the products from his gun factory and should be preferred to boost domestic production. At the moment I believe, that there are three active gun factories in Japan, but only Suzuki is selling the products.

[Revolting Friendship]

OOC:
I want to make a few historical notes in relation to my letter to the Portoguese, for reference:

The Ôtomo did historically have close ties with both Portoguese traders and the Jesuites(these two forces were more or less inseperable). At one point, the Ôtomo asked for the assistance of european ships in the retaking of Moji castle, and it was rendered after some consideration, in the form of sea bombardment.
Aside from the Ôtomo, the Omura-clan would eventually go so far as to offer them land at Nagasaki (1580), with the prospect of recieving trade incomes, increasing their power and influence, and studying western science and culture. Before this, they too had recieved support of Portoguese warships and substantial numbers of guns, which allowed them to survive, even against fierce opposition from their stronger neighbours, mainly the Ryûzôji.

Nonetheless, the historical situation was very different from the one we have arrived at in this game. Firstly, the strength of the christian daimyô was considerably weaker. The Ôtomo was the only major christian clan, and they had firm grip over Bungo and Buzen only, other extensions being lose alliances and nominal vassalships. Furthermore, there was no government enforced policy of persecution towards christians(at this time), even while many local damyô did so on own accord. For these two reasons, the Ôtomo could not ask for and hope to recieve extensive support from the Portoguese, who did not want to upset the balance by alienating buddhist Lords who had christian converts living in their lands(mainly on Kyûshû), by supporting any one side. Regardless of this, they still supported the Ôtomo to some extent, and the Oura to a greater, which shows that they were much in favour of their christian partners gaining influence.

Also, there was never any deals formed between the bakufu and the Portoguese. The europeans realized just as much as the daimyô themselves, that Japan had no functioning central government to speak of, and approached the daimyô seperately. Hence why you will see old european documents refer to the daimyô as "King of province name"

A last note will be that, at this point, with the Spanish(1600), Dutch(1609) and English(1613) arriving later, the Portoguese, with their integral policy of missionary work, was the only european power trading with Japan. And they did so in Kyûshû exclusively. Had I known differently, my strategy would obviously have been less desireable.

It was in this rationale I decided to make this descision, and I hope the fun for everyone, and the oppertunity to take advantage of viable strategies, will not be nullified due to any lack of insight into the historical context. I write this to make clear that I'm not trying to "cheat", or do something that has no actual historical precedence.
Even while seriously decimated at that point, the Ôtomo, Omura and Arima sent an embassy to Rome in 1582, that was recieved by the Pope himself. The europeans on their part had much respect for the Japanese, their land, culture and capabilities. They were by some observers thought to be the most formidable people in Asia, also deeming them superior even to the europeans themselves.
So, had Kyûshû been united under christian rule, there is no telling how far the cooperation between the europeans and Japan might have gone, and how it may have impacted on the future of Japan as a nation. Exploring such hypothetical avenues is a large part of the fun with these kinds of games. And honestly why I picked the Ôtomo in the first place.

Thank you for reading

[Monk]

OOC:

Personally, i think the Otomo seeking outside help was a great idea to be incorporated, and I would really be interested to see if they can secure western aid. It has potential to really shake things up in the west and could even have ramifications for us eastern Daimyo as well. Games like this need exciting twists to keep it interesting and even if Otomo's request is denied it makes for great progression. :2thumbsup:

[Rhyfelwyr]

Lord Oda,

I am surprised at your actions, surely a weakling such as yourself needs all the allies he can get? You are nothing but rebel scum, and I shall be well pleased to see you dead. Nonetheless, you are no fool, and I will respect you, if only for your tactical abilities on the battlefield. I eagerly await the day when we shall cross each other's path.

Regards,

Yamana Yoshisada

[Prince Cobra]

Lord Otomo, the Nanban are not fools to directly interfere in our internal affairs! They will risk too much...
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Lord Yamana, I think I will prevent the Oda from crossing your paths in the future. Do not worry about him, I am sure he still can rely on the Otomo help behind the scenes. His moves are just dust into the eyes. :bow:

OOC: The Shimazu were also Christians, btw.

[Revolting Friendship]

Then tell me Kanrei, have you not openly adapted a policy of persecution against christians, and encouraged all Daimyô to do the same? The Portoguese has nothing to lose from supporting me and taking distance from you and your allies.
My alliance is already the gate to the rest of the world.
Nothing that comes or goes there do so without passing our lands. The Portoguese have no relations with the rest of you.
Moreover, I stand for free and mutual cooperation, and an open and forthcoming attitude, while you only prove hostility towards them and their customs. If this is not a matter of religion, then why have you more than anyone made it so? Everyone should know by now the kind of laws I maintain in my domains, I openly stated them, and they are a far cry from your hostile and narrowminded edicts.

Not only do I believe that the Portoguese will support me, I believe it is only right that your influence should be undermined, as to rid Nippon from the curse it presents. It is one thing to respond to religious fanaticism attacking peaceful practitioners, and an entirely different one to promote it yourself.
I do the former, and it can be considered as a wise attitude by any ruler. But one who himself encourage religious violence is an enemy of his own people, and make them an enemy of himself. And it comes as no surprise to me that you have thus found a partner in the Ikkô-shu. Which only adds hilarity to the equation, seeing how the two of you otherwise are exact opposites. And these wretches have as little reason to call themselves adherants of Jodo Shinshu, as you have to call yourself the servant of the Emperor.

And to all others who would think that I put us at risk to make us slaves of the europeans, I will say that I am entirely confident that the Portoguese will be happy to view us as allies on equal terms. It would be more beneficial to them than attempts of subjegation, which will only cause costly wars, while their support cost them virtually nothing at all, and will only increase their revenues with time.

None of you have been in so much contact with them as to determine what nature or attitude they possess, but I can safely say this: Giving them a lot of land is not making ourself vassals, and it will only quench any desire they might have had to undertake military expansion. I expect to recieve the same forthcoming terms as I myself have given, and it can only be considered as mutual cooperation. I will assist their interests in Asia, they will assist mine, and together we will grow stronger.

Then so what if they gain some influence? Does not all allies influence one another? Why should we be exempt from world politics, and practices both common and logical by any measure? I am not afraid of it. I am not afraid to make allies, nor am I afraid of changes.

Ôtomo Sorin

OOC:
The Shimazu were never christians historically. But it is not a rare misconception that they were, mainly due to the cross-like symbol of their clan.

[seireikhaan]

So... um.... were info pm's sent out yet?

[Wishazu]

I received mine a few days ago, at least i got a pm stating the current state of my province and troops etc. with my income and expenditure, that was why I posted here a few days ago about a timelimit for sending our "moves" into Kagemusha.

Has nobody else received anything?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

OOC: I never got my situation report, either.

Lord Otomo: Why do you need foreigners to fight your battles for you? Are you unable to defeat us yourself?

Lord Imagawa

[Paradox]

Am I the only one who failed to spot the part where I wipe the floor clean with Kenshin? Or did Kage forget that part?

[Kagemusha]

Am I the only one who failed to spot the part where I wipe the floor clean with Kenshin? Or did Kage forget that part?

You missed it because Kenshin retreated to winter quarters.~;) But to rest, about half of you have got your reports.Rest are coming as soon as possible. Still most of you should be perfectly capable in engaging diplomacy etc. Since the winter was not the busiest of times.:bow:

[Revolting Friendship]

Lord Imagawa, who are "us"? I was assuming you were the enemy of Oda and Asai. Since I am no longer part of their alliance, I am no longer a part of their war. Unless you absolutely want to fight me anyway, in which case I will be happy to oblige.

As for the rest, I do not know whether I am capable of defeating all my enemies or not. Who can know such things for sure? I trust in my abilities, but fate has a way of changing things. Thus, I will take any advantages I can. It is not cowardice to increase your strength by alliances, nor is it cowardice to weaken ones enemies. Such things any warrior do to achieve victory, it is to be regarded as wisdom. He who disregards strategies and planning, and relies only in his own strength, he is neither brave nor wise, he is reckless and foolish.

But you go ahead and judge as you please, I see no disadvantage in having my enemies percieve me as both cowardly and weak.

Ôtomo Sorin