Council of the Koinon Hellenon [Archive]

Bootsiuv

08-18-2007, 07:03

My fellow greeks...

Many of you, even my own son, fail to realize that Korinthos, Athenai, and Chalkis are all within a seasons march of each other. Troops besieging Korinthos and Chalkis could easily assist any besieged garrison force within weeks.

I will besiege Korinthos in Spring of 272 BC. I will pull the entire garrison out of Sparte, leaving my son and governor of Sparte with his personal bodyguard to maintain order. I will attack Korinthos in summer of 272. Following the fall of the city. I will order Chremonides to lead a campaign across the straits into Euboea and besiege Chalkis. Our leagues armies which took Korinthos will be sent to Athenai to recieve upgraded armor and weapons from Athenian Blacksmiths. So you see, my esteemed council-members, Athenai will be without a major garrison for only a few short days.

I will likely keep the Rhodian Garrison. It currently stands at less than 300 men.

The projected ships will be decommisioned and scrapped, and their crews will be released back into the public.

Akrotatos, Chremonides, and Agathokles will determine tax levels in Sparte, Athenai, and Rhodos respectively. I will likely take Korinthos as my governance, and will determine tax rates there. Korinthos will fall under the Spartan sphere of influence, and Chalkis will fall under the Athenian sphere of influence.

I will update the MIC in Athenai if I have the necessary resources. I will also retrain and reoutfit the majority of our army in Athenai.

This is the plan for my reign. Any objections should be discussed here and now.

*Areus sits down and stares around the room, looking for someone to challenge him*

KuKulzA

08-18-2007, 07:08

As I have said before, as long as the soldiers of Epeiros are occupying what would be Makedonian reinforcements then Rhodos supports the taking of Chalkis. I await the day when Rhodos can prove its worth, but for now I wish the Spartans to exercise both their innate martial ability and the caution I have encouraged :yes:

Basileus Seleukeia

08-18-2007, 11:52

Proposal 1: invade Corinth-yay
Proposal 2: invade Chalkis-nay
Proposal 3: Disband 2/3 of fleet-yay
Proposal 4: Build coastal clearance-yay
Proposal 5: Relocate Rhodean garrison-nay
Proposal 6: Build Athenian MIC-nay, as long as we can't provide money for it
Proposal 7: Create a Spy Network in the Kingdom of Epeiros-yay
We have to be carefull, my bretheren. We must not exacerbate Pyrrhos by stationing spys in his citys, as they can be spotted there, they may even tell him they are hired by us to save their lives. Therefore I suggest to only keep them in the land, collecting the "word on the roads"

Spoofa

08-18-2007, 19:16

If I may, fellow greeks, I propose that we raise some Peltastai in Sparte, to reinforce the attacking forces of my father as soon as they are made, they are excellent skirmishers and fair infantry, they are also from Sparte, the city-state that breeds hero's, they will fight with a ferocity known only to Achilles.

Bootsiuv

08-18-2007, 23:06

I agree with the young Spartan. Spartan Peltastai will likely be our most versatile troops until better infrastructure can be built. I will request at least one unit this year, and very likely one unit the following year.

KuKulzA

08-19-2007, 00:05

we will need to choose our battles wisely, and use our more mobile though outdated peltasti and hoplatai against the heavier but inflexible phalangites... I am sure the martial tradition of Sparte is strong with you :yes: Yes to peltasti

Bootsiuv

08-19-2007, 00:57

Well, if the council agrees to building a factional MIC in Athenai, we could build it for 3000 mnai in 6 seasons. That would give us Ekdromoi Hoplitai (Light Hoplites) which are 10/21. If we decide to wait and update Sparte's MIC, it would cost 7500 mnai and take two years. That would allow us to build Hoplitai (Classical Greek Hoplites) which are 10/23 for roughly the same cost. We would also gain access to Hippeis (Medium Greek Cavalry), which are the best cavalry we can have until we conquer Thessalia, but remember that Athenai already has a blacksmith in place. If we wait to upgrade in Sparte, our best armies will consist of Hoplitai Haploi from Athenai and Peltastai from Sparte for some years. Not a very formidable force.

Spoofa

08-19-2007, 01:02

I think, as of now MIC upgrades are out of the question, we must focus on our economy, upgrading our military branch at this time provides no economical bonus, only economical penalties, as of now I recommend full focus on economy until we have secured Korinthos and Chalkis at least.

theycallmetighty

08-19-2007, 02:00

I agree, It is my opinion that we should limit ourselves to builds of under 1,000 mnai until we have more cities from which to extract resources

KuKulzA

08-19-2007, 02:07

I think perhaps our plan should follow this roughly...

seize Korinthos, disband majority of navy & Rhodos' garrison, make an alliance and trade with Epeiros
if Epeiros takes the fight to Makedon or even takes Pella, we will advance on Chalkis, focus on making economic structures
once we have a good hold on our cities and are making steady income, we should consider MIC in Athena

I have done a bit of testing and I have found that a fast-attack on Korinthos and Chalkis CAN be done, if the Spartan general, his spartans and troops and the garrison at Athenai are used in concert, which is tricky in the first turn, but is easier to accomplish in the second provided that the Makedonians retreat northward to fend off Phyrrus. Also, building the 'barracks' at Sparte is not a good idea... early on we want chea and flexible... light Hoplatai will give us that... Classic hoplatai might give us the meat to fight a battle of attrition but we have not the resources to fight that sort of war... we need fast and decisive, therefore I feel light hoplitai, peltasts, and our original troops will have to suffice until the Makedonian threat has lessened and we can truly develop out economy and military further

Spoofa

08-19-2007, 05:18

The spartan Hoplites will hold anything and everything, we are the best soldiers in the known world.

Basileus Seleukeia

08-19-2007, 11:35

Yes, my Spartan brother, your city has a long history of heroic fighting. Now prove that the Sparta of today is worth this reputation! I strongly aggree with recruiting Peltastai in Sparte, but if we build a MIC in the near future, Athens is the first city for this. Sparta's population has been drained ny hundreds of years of constant warfare and a harsh education of their sons, so they can't provide the mainstay of our armies, but truly they can provide us with the necessary elites to fight against the Makedonian warriors. But until Sparte can bring her bravest warriors to our cause, we need a cunning and adaptable general who can perform good with an army of skirmishers, not only with a force of hoplites.

Spoofa

08-19-2007, 20:58

Fellow Councilmen, It has been a year since the beginning of my term, and after taking over for my father I feel that I have improved our situation greatly for the benefit of all.

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First, I had my father start the training for a unit of spartan Peltastai, these rough and ready soldiers are fit for almost any job, flanking maneuvers, skirmishing, and even holding our battleline, they are skirmishers that have greater fighting ability then our militia hoplitai, but are somewhat expensive so as of now, we can only afford a few of these hardy men.

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Secondly, I had some of the Hoplitai in Athenai requipped with new, better weaponry from Athenai's new blacksmiths.

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The spy on Crete has explored the major city on the island, and has scouted out the garrison there, Soon we should liberate this island from the pirates and mercenaries and take advantage of the Cretans and the additional control of Aegean sea trade.

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I fear that our friend, Agathokles Rhodios is near his end.

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I have also secured an alliance with Epiros, but Phyrus did not take pella, he merely retreated to ambrakia.

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And finally, I have laid seige to Korinthos.

Spoofa

08-20-2007, 00:55

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272 B.C. Summer

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I have decided now is time to assault the walls of Korinthos, I have created a few ladders and a place to dig underneath their walls to crumble it.

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First I sent the helots to start the dig, while sending the Spartans and my bodygaurd onward to assault the walls with the ladder, and I sent our slingers to return fire against the enemy slingers.

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after what seemed like endless harassment from the enemy towers and slingers, we finally reached the walls of the city-state known as Korinthos.

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After the first men jumped off the ladders into the enemy, a bloodbath took place. We had assaulted the part of the wall with their skirmishers, and my Spartans tore them apart easily, they flung themselves off the walls once they realized they were fighting the greatest warriors in the world.

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Our helots did their job, and the Militia hoplitai of mine rushed through the gap in the wall and proceeded to take the gatehouse and adjacent towers.

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Finally, the enemy sent their strongest foot soldiers against us, as our lines pushed forward I was stuck in the middle, unable to sink my sword into my enemies flesh.

After we had finally killed all that stood in our way of control of the walls, I looked back upon the carnage and saw countless bodies piled upon eachother...
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The Thessalonian Cavalry put up the greatest fight, they charged relentlessly into the Militia Hoplitai, causing them massive casualties, and some fled before the final battle took place in the town square, My spartans had to finish the job, After we had killed the Cavalry and their general, we continued to the town square to finish off the leves remaining there, we easily slaughtered them all.

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I have created a shrine to Zeus, in praise for this victory.

The coastal clearing of the Spartan coast has allowed for small trading ships to get some of their goods via sea to Sparte, creating more tax.

I have also secured trade with the Getai, barbarians from the north.

There is, one thing I need to bring up to the council, our scouts have discovered a large grouping of Makedonian troops near Demetrias, within striking distance of Athenai, and I am curious what my peers think of this development and what actions I should now take.

( I think maybe I used too many pictures, or else i would have gone into more detail about the fight and economic improvements, tell me if the number of pictures is okay or not, since i would like to include more)

Bootsiuv

08-20-2007, 02:09

Number of pics was fine. I like lots of pics, and I have dial-up....I don't see how they could possibly bother someone with hi-speed.

I am glad to see that Korinthos has fallen into Koinon hands. I am anxious about the army near Demetrias. Mark my words, our greatest battles with Makedonia will take place in the hills of Thessalia.

You should focus the second half of your term on rebuilding our army. I would advise another unit of Spartan Peltastai be recruited as well. Bring our divisions of Hoplitai Haploi back up to full strength and refit them in Athenian arms and armor. Our missle troops should have their armor hardened in Athenian forges, as well. This will give us an edge against what will be numerically superior forces in Thessalia and Makedonia proper.

I also urge the council to agree to recruit 2 divisions of Hippokontistai (Greek Skirmisher Cavalry) selected from young Athenian freemen (when funds allow). The Makedonian Army is well known for their outstanding cavalry. Having cavalry of our own will allow us to counter this threat.

We may also be able to find greeks in the villages of Thessalia who would be willing to ride under our banner (I think you can recruit a division of Thessalian Cavalry in Thessalia, but I may be wrong).

Spoofa

08-20-2007, 03:07

(with the merc mod we are using the mercenary recruitment is much more accurate, like in Athenai you can hire those elite hoplitai.)

KuKulzA

08-20-2007, 05:48

Agathokles Rhodios lies on his bed, awaiting Hades... a sudden spasm siezes his old frame and he jumps up, startling his servant and causing consternation to cross his bodyguard's face

"Before my death, fellow Hellenes, I must learn how to take screenshots efficiently so as to not have to 'Print Screen", pause, copy & paste in Paint, save, and then continue, for my EB is prone to CTDs and will with frequent switching. Is there a way to take screenshots and have them stored in a cache where I can later access them and convert to .jpgs?"
His Rhodian advisor looks at him quizzically... then asks, "and what of the war against Makedon lord?"

"Oh yes... umm... good work Spartan :applause: but please retrain and ready our forces, for the region just to the north of Athenai will be a decisive battleground if my predictions are true. With the taking of Korinthos, let Zeus guide our army with righteousness!"
Agathokles Rhodios settles back into his bed, sighing as the warm Mediterranean breeze sifts through the silk curtains of his estate. His bodyguard moves to check the window, and then returns to his post.

Bobolicious

08-20-2007, 06:23

Is there a way to take screenshots and have them stored in a cache where I can later access them and convert to .jpgs

You could download FRAPS (Im pretty sure its called FRAPS) Its free, and should let you take screenshots, Videos, etc with ease. And then it stores them in a place where you can find them. I've only taken one pic with it, so i dont know how well everything else works, but the screenshot part worked fine.

Oh yeah, good going spoofa, and I really like the fourth pic from the bottom.

EasternScourge

08-20-2007, 11:46

Chremonides stands up,applauding the Spartans.

"Well done Spartan warriors.With Korinthos secure the rear of Athens is safe,more taxes for us,and we have captured the shrine to Zeus that had once been controlled by the Makedonian scum.As representative of Athens,I feel the next course of action is to rebuild and reequip the army so as to prepare for the campaign into the Makedonian controlled regions of Greece.While the rest of the councils current proposals are fine,we may want to hire maybe one or two more units of militia hoplite.They may not be the greatest fighters,but they are better than an army made of more skirmishers than infantry."

Chremonides sits down to wait on the rest of the councls words.

Basileus Seleukeia

08-20-2007, 12:09

I congratulate you, Akrotatos, you have proven that our Spartan Bretheren deserve their proud ancestry of warriors. I aggree with the council that first you should bring your army to full strength again and that you equip them with the best equipment of Athenai. But I suggest that the liberation of Crete can wait, as they are no real threat to us. Once we have brought peace to Hellas, we might think of adding them to our league, though. I also aggree with Chremonides on behalf of training Hoplitai Haploi, as they will prove more usefull against the Makedonian Cavalry than the Peltastai.

Bootsiuv

08-20-2007, 18:24

http://www.fraps.com/download.php for anyone else who would like it. It's a great little program.

I would like to know if my son plans on invading Euboea before the end of his term. We cannot allow this island which lays so close to Attika remain in Makedonian hands. If we move north before the island is captured, Antigonos could flank us while our main army is tied down in Thessalia. I strongly advise the council to approve the invasion of Euboea. I vote Chremonides leads the assault, while Akrotatos remains in Athenai and prepares for the invasion north.

Bobolicious

08-20-2007, 18:37

I agree with basileus, we need more hoplitai haploi to hold the lines. However, I think that if we can afford to spare the troops, then we should take crete. If not crete, then chalkis. However, I dont think there is as large a payoff there, but any troops recruited would be able to take part in the battle quickly.

theycallmetighty

08-20-2007, 18:46

You have done a great service to the Koinon, Akrotatos. Spartan bravery has proved its might and of the bodies that lay dead on the walls few of them are spartan. Now I say we replenish and reequip our ranks and throw the Makedons not just from Hellas, but from the face of the earth!

Bootsiuv

08-20-2007, 18:51

Taking Krete now would require us to send a relatively large invasion force a few hundred miles south, when our enemies lie to the north. Euboea is under Makedonian control. Krete is an independent city-state. I would much rather weaken the empire to the north, as opposed to sending a large portion of our troops on a rather risky voyage through a sea filled with pirates and Makedonian fleets. Euboea will not require a major sea invasion, and it lies much closer to the heart of our lands. I would advise we save Krete for when Pella falls.

KuKulzA

08-20-2007, 19:57

Basileus Seleukeia

08-20-2007, 20:39

Yes, Chalkis shall fall before the next Hegemon is chosen! It is in our interest to first liberate all those who have to live under the harsh Makedonian Hand, then we can think of "adding" other city states to our cause, the greater good for all Hellenes!

KuKulzA

08-20-2007, 21:49

haha, I love the propaganda-machine

just wondering, when Agathokles Rhodios dies, who will i be? :beam:

EasternScourge

08-20-2007, 23:04

KuKulzA

08-20-2007, 23:18

"Yes I agree tat at this time invading Crete is a useless endeavor. Freeing the rest of our bretheren from Makedonian control is a more worthy task than adding already free states to our cause. I would be proud to lead the force to either Chalkis our the small island east of Athens.I just hope we 'philosophers' are capable of leading your Spartans Akratatos."

OO:I do suggest getting that island of Eubea (or whatever it is called).I can't tell you how many times Makedonia built an army there and attacked Athens when I play.
in good time, though someone should do some testing and see which one is economically and strategically better...
taking Eubea takes a city from our enemy but is close to Pontos and Seleukeia, potential enemies... taking Crete is one independent city down, a hundred more to go, but it is easier to defend and further from other enemies, and may be better economically... i don't know

Spoofa

08-20-2007, 23:54

I will move against Chalkis, and free them from Makedonian rule.

Bootsiuv

08-21-2007, 00:34

in good time, though someone should do some testing and see which one is economically and strategically better...
taking Eubea takes a city from our enemy but is close to Pontos and Seleukeia, potential enemies... taking Crete is one independent city down, a hundred more to go, but it is easier to defend and further from other enemies, and may be better economically... i don't know

I think your confusing the island of Euboea (with it's capital at Chalkis), which lies across a rather narrow strait from Athenai, with the island of Lesbos (with it's capital at Mytilene), which lies on the other side of the Aegean, near Pergamon. Taking Mytilene will require an invasion force of some size. It will likely get us involved with the politics of Asia Minor before we want it.

Spoofa

08-21-2007, 02:52

Well, fellow councilmen it has been another year, and I hear that our friend in Rhodos is doing better... or at least he is well enough to observe the women...

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I have also, due to the large income from tax we have recieved, deemed it fit to make full use of the land cleared near the Spartan coast and started construction on a full scale port to increase the trade and allow ships to come and go more frequently and in larger numbers.

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I also have started the construction of a basic military barracks in Kornithos to provide a military base from which to recruit, and retrain our troops, the men in this city-state are stout, and similiar in build to Spartan's, I look forward to see what these men can do in a real battle.

Back to war talk,

I I had created a ram with the wood from the nearby forest, the wood here is strong enough for military useage on ships.

By fall we had finished the ram, and processed to attack the walls.

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Their towers were weakly placed and we avoided casualties on the way to the gate. After we reached the gate we processed to ram.

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my men waited in loose formation to prevent possible casualties from the towers and the javalins from their leves.

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After we had broken through the gate my men rushed forward, the leves fled on the sight of our fearsome charge
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We slowly, and calmly marched down the main street to the town square in a deep formation, there was nothing they could throw at us to push us back.

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Once we reached the town square, four brave men charged our entire formation alone, I salute these men, they had more heart then the entire garrison combined, but alas, their lived ended on the speartips of my spartan warriors.
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The rest of the cowardly garrison waited and watched as the four brave men charged on, I saw their faces, they were afraid, these men were not fighting material, they were not soldiers, they were farmers, and sheep herders, men who worked in the city making clothes, or even boys too young to even hold a Doru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doru) up correctly and jab it effectively.

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I ordered the charge and my men went wild with bloodlust, every man rushed forward, holding the Phalanx formation was not necessary, for these leves could hardly fight, my men chose their target and killed him, then did the same again, every man there that stood against us was stabbed with spear.
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meanwhile, the Athenians I had taken with me were holding outside the wall to prevent interference that the reinforcing army might cause.

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The enemy reinforcements were all full of leves and skirmisher cavalry, their javalins rained down upon the athenians and the spartan Peltastai returned the favor.

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Finally, the enemy cavalry charged into the athenians...

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the enemy leves foolishly charged the spartans, and the spartans charged right back...

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The end of that battle was a complete victory. We suffered few casualties.

Afterwards I setup pacification of the town, even though they were glad to be liberated, It was necessary to prevent the possibility of any makedonian loyalists from envoking rebellion.
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The spy I had recruited has been trained and is ready for his duty in Thessalonia.
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During the winter of 271 after my victory Makedonia decided they have had enough of our taking of their southern provinces and sent an army to athenai to lay seige, alas my term is over and enless I am voted in again I can not legally send my army to attack them enless ordered by the Hegemon
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By the way, in Chalkis I have also ordered the clearing of land on the coast, due to the success of the port in Sparte, I deemed it necessary for us to create one to ensure a larger flow of income into our treasury.

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KuKulzA

08-21-2007, 05:03

very nice

Bootsiuv

08-21-2007, 05:44

Well, if we're going to be voting on Hegemon, I'll look into setting up a poll for the term of Spring 270-Winter269

I would like to add that I seemed to have fixed the problem (although I'm not sure how) so I can finally play. I'll be running for Hegemon in the upcoming election. Whoever is elected, it looks like they'll have their hands full with the conquest of northern Greece.

In regards to our newly conquered territories, I'm looking into a system (along with Basileus Seleukiea)we can use in order to better represent the fact that we're supposed to be a league of city-states, and not an empire. I would like to work out something where we give control of Korinthos to Sparte, while Chalkis will go to Athenai. This means the governor of Sparte will choose the governor of Korinthos, and the governor of Athenai will choose the governor of Chalkis. The city-state of Rhodos will recieve control of future territories as allocated by the council.

I feel that we should advise the new Hegemon, whomever that may be, to recall Akrotatos and his army from Euboea to relieve the city of Athens. Following this battle, the council can decide the best course of action concerning northern Greece.

BTW, Spoofa, good work. I especially liked how you distinguished between the Athenian troops and Spartan troops. Very cool.

Nikolaus

08-21-2007, 17:10

I agree with Bootsuiv, great work SpoofaM, it would be nice to elect you as hegemon again, but perhaps we should we should let others give it a try first.

I have a question and a suggestion.

1) How many years until Chremonides' sons come of age, as well as the son of Rhodius?

Also i support the sending Akrotatos to break the siege of Athens as soon as possible. Afterwards we can keep most our military there to be refitted as well as keeping them in a strategic spot. The Makedons would have to pass us there to reach the Peleponnesses.

Also, what has Pyrrhus been up to? Has he been conquering Illyria?

EasternScourge

08-21-2007, 22:33

Standing,a representative of Athens prepares to speak on the behalf of Chremonides (who is busy being seiged).

"Fellow Greeks. It is time to elect the next Hegemon to lead our alliance of true Greeks into glory surpassing even Alexander's. The Spartans have done well these last two years, secruing several cities in the south. They have even decided to improve trade a little, quite suprising considering their warrior heritage. Let it be known that Chremonides has decided to not place his bid for Hegemon. He knows we are at war, and knows that the alliance, if led by a Spartan, will succed in the purge of Makedonia from Greece. He also requests that Akrotatos send an army to lift the siege of Athens, as he would like to be here personally for the meetings."

Yeah,I am not running for Hegemon this time around. I'm probably one of the worst generals in this game.I can win a battle, but usually the losses make a win more along the line of a pyrric (Spelling please?) victory.Not good when are reserves of gold and population are small.

Spoofa

08-21-2007, 22:52

Working towards what is best for my city-state does not make me any less of a warrior, I can still punch my spear clean through a man, with, or without the concern for my cities income. A warrior is a worthless leader if he cannot seperate war and economics, even the Spartans know this.

A pack of lions led by a sheep will be slaughtered by a pack of sheep lead by a lion, a leader must not only be a good warrior but also a good leader, and leadership is also present outside of battles.

Bootsiuv

08-22-2007, 05:31

Well, would anyone else like to run for Hegemon? So far I am the only one who has officially announced I'm running.

@ EasternScourge

You could very easily be Hegemon and not fight any battles at all. If you would prefer to focus on the administrative side, you could always appoint a general to lead your military campaigns i.e. someone else will fight out the battles. Spoofa led both battles because it was the beginning and he was in a good position to attack.

In fact, it is very likely that as time goes on, Hegemon's will lead actual battles less and less, assuming they spend most of their time in Southern Greece. It all depends on the player, really, just as in real life. Some leaders led from the front, fighting in conflicts themselves, while many stayed in their capitals, appointing men to do the fighting for them. It's really up to you (and the council, assuming you would like to appoint a general to fight in your place).

Considering this is my first Succession game, I'm going to be more organized for the next one (where I would like to try out Carthage). We'll have to wait and see, I suppose.

Spoofa

08-22-2007, 05:40

I dont think i can run again so soon huh? :laugh4:

KuKulzA

08-22-2007, 07:25

Bootsiuv

08-22-2007, 21:39

I will run for Hegemon as well.

I am decent with campaigning while keeping money in the treasury. Not a big fan of phalanxes so we'll see how I deal with the Greek style of warfare. Also, a question - does my term end when the old Rhodian dies? Would it be better for me to wait till his son comes of age to start playing so I don't get my geezer dying on me while I am kicking Makedon-butt?:beam:

OOC: I think we'll let that one go. Agathokles is so old when the game starts, he inevitably dies within the first few years. So, if you're elected Hegemon, you will be allowed to finish out your term even if Agathokles dies. Please note that this is the only time we'll let this happen. In the future, if you're Hegemon and your character dies, your term will end.

Well, if no one else is running, I think it would be easiest to just let KuKulzA be next, and I'll follow him. We simply don't have enough players to make elections worthwhile (even some who signed up haven't been very active). So, for the sake of speeding things along, KuKulzA should be allowed to have a go, and I'll be next.

If Basileus Seleukiea was before both of us, and he would like a shot, speak up now. I can't be bothered to look at the order list right now. Kind of in a hurry. So, unless anyone has any severe objections....KuKulzA you're up. We can begin to discuss plans for the invasion of northern greece now.

BTW, Spoofa, if 5 people come in and say they would prefer elections, then I have no problem with you running for Hegemon again. Your first term was a great success. However, if we're just going to go in some sort of order, you'll have to wait your turn. Dont worry, we only have like 5 players, so it should be back to you in no time. :)

KuKulzA

08-22-2007, 22:48

yea people who wanna run speak up within 24 hours
or
Spoofa can post up his saved game somehow
and I'll get all the mods and FRAPS and get started

so, the plan for invading northern Greece...

I'm not sure if this will be ideal but I feel a pin-tactic should be used where our cheaper hoplatai are used to pin the enemy phalanx and then our classic hoplatai or spartans can engage the flank
meaning we need to be wary of enemy cavalry, and engage smaller numbers whenever possible...

I'm a fan of a guerrilla-style, ambushing, and fast attack warfare... I feel we should get light hoplatai (from Athenai) for that role

also about Agathokles, he's old, about to die, and on Rhodos... I don't think its wise for me to use him in our battles, therefore, am I allowed to use other characters? I know that is a bit rule-breaking, but I think if i am going to finish my term (during which Agathokles will probably die) I should be allowed to use ONE of the other 'family' members. :yes: I don't think another Rhodian leader comes up for some time after his death...

EasternScourge

08-23-2007, 00:24

You know what,I think I might just run.Chremonides for Hegemon *random campaign music plays*.

Anyways,for the Makedonian invasion I suggest we first free Athens from the siege and then send the army lead by Spoofa (hes doing an excellent job) up north to capture whatever the ciy above Athens is.From there, we can hold up the Makedonians and keep an eye on their movements and build up. After getting some frsh troops and making sre that city is safe,head forthe Makedonian capital.Possibly try to get an alliance with the Epirotes.

Bootsiuv

08-23-2007, 00:34

Well, if you're Rhodios when you're chosen hegemon, then he is your character for battles. Unfortunately, it looks as if you might not get many battles during your term.

I, however, would be happy to share a battle with you, if the situation calls for it. This is a fairly laid back, informal sort of game. My next one will be more structured. For now though, I don't have a problem with spreading battles around.

The reality of the situation is, however, that Akrotatos is quite likely our most able commander at this point. If he is chosen to lead the attack into Northern Greece, Spoofa will be playing out the battles. As I've said before, one of the downfalls of a succession game is that one to three people end up playing a majority of the battles. They're really isn't much you can do about this unless you constantly change generals (not a very good tactic gamewise), or someone shares a few battles.

Just remember, just because you have an old administrator right now doesn't mean you won't have a brilliant military commander for your next character. You just have to wait and see.

Oh, and before I forget, DOWNLOAD SPOOFAS FILES ASAP so you can make sure everything works! There is a link to Spoofa's files in this thread....I suggest you download those ASAP so you can work out any bugs.

Ok, I'm done being OOC for a while. Back to the game....

Bootsiuv

08-23-2007, 00:39

@EasternScourge

Well if you're going to run, we could try an election. The only problem I see is that only like 5 people will vote, so who in the hell knows if it's even worth it. If we had 10+ people playing, it would be much more interesting when it comes to elections. As it stands right now, I think we'll just go in some order, which I haven't even entirely stuck to.

Ok....how's this catch your fancy?

KuKulzA
EasternScourge
Basileus Seleukiea
Theycallmetighty
Bootsiuv
Spoofa

This is the order which we'll go in. If I forgot anyone else, just put your name after theycallmetighty and before me. That way I know everyone has had a chance, and I'll start the new rotation. We'll just say I skipped my first term because of technical difficulties.

Tellos Athenaios

08-23-2007, 00:49

Just a thought. You could appoint people who are in a position which prevents them from battling the enemy to act as Captains from time to time? Unless you want to have a general for each and every battle, of course.

Bobolicious

08-23-2007, 01:16

[QUOTE=Bootsiuv]@EasternScourge

Ok....how's this catch your fancy?

KuKulzA
EasternScourge
Basileus Seleukiea
Theycallmetighty
Bootsiuv
Spoofa

This is the order which we'll go in. If I forgot anyone else, just put your name after theycallmetighty and before me. [QUOTE]

Hey, dont forget me. Just to let you guys know, I have a laptop with no mouse, so Im not as good at fighting as some of you. It would probably be better if, during my hegemony (whenever that may be) we werent in the middle of a big war.

PS: as you guys can see, I still have problems with the quotes-sorry

Tellos Athenaios

08-23-2007, 01:47

Each opening tag (the square brackets and the code therein) needs to have an end tag. The end tag is defined by a / after the [ .

So to quote you would end with [/quote] and begin with
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[quote]And copy/paste text in between.

If you click the Reply With Quote button on my reply; the forum php engine automatically wraps quote tages around my comments. However, if I have quoted someone in my reply, that someone's quote will be lost.

Tellos Athenaios

08-23-2007, 01:49

Each opening tag (the square brackets and the code therein) needs to have an end tag. The end tag is defined by a / after the [ .

>

If you click the Reply With Quote button on my reply; the forum php engine automatically wraps quote tages around my comments. However, if I have quoted someone in my reply, that someone's quote will be lost.

As you can see in this example.

Tellos Athenaios

08-23-2007, 01:52

From observing your post; I conclude that you forgot the forward-slash / in your end-quote-tag.

KuKulzA

08-23-2007, 02:36

My stomach hurts like someone kicked it ten times (believe me I know how it feels) but i think its something I ate... I am gonna stay off all computer stuff and get rested and feel better

tomorrow morning I will test out the stuff in the links and if all works out well I will begin...

I don't like using other's character just cause, but if I need to I will
in any case I think this is what I will do:

Relieve Athenai
Do what I can to improve economy
expand army & retrain
Potentially a few hit&run attacks into Makedon

Does this sound good to you guys? any particular suggestions?

EDIT: basically not doing anything epic, just maintaining the good stuff we got going and maybe making some forays of my own IF it is all in our favor... not pulling any stunts

I'm in favor of a more aggressive strategy but I want all of your opinions, afterall its a council, and I will abide by the council's decision for the greater matters

Bootsiuv

08-23-2007, 03:34

@Bobolicious

Sorry about that. The initial order seems to have been lost, but you can go before me if that's ok. The war with Makedon will probably be winding down by the time your turn is up. BTW, a mini-mouse with a scroll wheel can't be more than $20, and would probably greatly improve your gaming experience. Mousepads suck for TW games.

@Tellos Atheniaos

Thank you much for the idea. That could be a good way to work someone else in.

@KuKulzA

If Akrotatos defeats the Makedonian forces besieging Athenai, it may be best to strike quickly at Demetrias. Although I do agree that our economy should come first.

If you would please list the governors at the beginning of your reign, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

Spoofa

08-23-2007, 04:09

Sorry I havent posted today =P I just got my new computer back and I have to say, It totally rocks. The loadtimes are so smooth and I can play battles on huge with everything all the way up. :laugh4:

Anyway, May i suggest one tiny tiny thing that will make our battle experience so much better, its the AI battle formations mod, save-game compatible and easy to impliment yourself, It makes the AI use somewhat historical formations and not just make a huge single line.

here is the link to the formations mod, It is competely compatible to my mod collection.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=86904

just put the two files into your EB/data folder.

heres the save game.

http://files.filefront.com/KHsav/;8380487;;/fileinfo.html

Bootsiuv

08-23-2007, 04:14

I was going to suggest that actually, but I felt I had asked enough of our play requirements. A good idea and I don't see a problem. Thanks for the link.

Spoofa

08-23-2007, 04:16

Bootsiuv

08-23-2007, 04:48

If i need to then i will incorperate the text files into my .rar if you want.

(P.S you should add the link to my .rar file on the first page of this thread or somthing, so if anybody joins then they wont have to search for it.)

I will do that. Your welcome to add the mod to your .rar if you would like, but it's a fairly small download, so it shouldn't be a huge problem.

KuKulzA

08-23-2007, 15:29

you mean Darth's battle formations? got that

so the list of things to do is... City mod v2.1.rar
Darth_AI_8.0.rar
RP_modeV1.1.rar
delete map.rwm
test KH.sav

do I need to uninstall t get rid of Balancedv1.1.rar to make way for RP_modeV1.1.rar or do they edit the same text files?

EDIT:
nevermind, they edit the same .txt files and I need to delete my save games when i delete the map.rwm

KuKulzA

08-23-2007, 16:09

It works!!!

now as soon as I get FRAPs working I will, as my first order of business...

raised taxes to very high
free Athenai from the Makedon siege

(those Makedonians way outnumber us, how unfortunate)

Spoofa

08-23-2007, 16:46

Nikolaus

08-23-2007, 17:00

[QUOTE=Bootsiuv]@EasternScourge

KuKulzA
EasternScourge
Basileus Seleukiea
Theycallmetighty
Bootsiuv
Spoofa

This is the order which we'll go in. If I forgot anyone else, just put your name after theycallmetighty and before me.

you guys forgot me! good luck breaking the siege. I think it will be alot more fun as soon as we all have a character in the family tree, shold only be a few years away plus maybe an adoption.

KuKulzA

08-23-2007, 17:51

all you had to do was install this and the darth formations mod

http://files.filefront.com/City+mod+v21ai+mod+rolepnrar/;8345813;;/fileinfo.html

:laugh4:

(you seriously need to use this because I personally modded the script)

wait, does that mean what I just played doesn't count because I didn't download off of the link you just posted? :dizzy2:

I went and found

City mod v2.1.rar
Darth_AI_8.0.rar
RP_modeV1.1.rar
and then did everything and played KH saved game

if I gotta re-do it all then fine... but I broke the siege, pics will be up shortly...
and I'll edit and delete them if I DO need to redo it all :yes: ....~:mecry:

Spoofa

08-23-2007, 18:25

you should have just used my file, so we know 100% that we are all on the same build of EB.

KuKulzA

08-23-2007, 18:41

the reign of the Rhodian Hegemon begins...

https://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9463/270bcsummer1qf6.jpg
taxes are raised to a very high degree to finance the war... and freeing Athenai is of greatest priority... the stage is set for a great battle, for the forces of Makedon greatly outnumber the courageous Greeks. A new group of Hoplitai Haploi are being trained at Chalkis.

https://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7732/270bcsummer2lo7.jpg
Amazingly, the larger of the Makedonian armies retreats back to Demetrias! Perhaps Phyrrus has diverted the black banners to defend Pella! We can only hope... but this is a great occurance for our victory is almost assured... with the forces at Chalkis and the garrison of Athenai, together the Hellenic forces outnumber those of our enemies. Akontistai at Korinthos are retrain as messengers from Rhodos ask Chalkis and Thenai to strike quickly while the gods throw fortune our way...

https://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1431/270bcsummer2prebattleql8.jpg
Our forces ready themselves to attack the besiegers, composed of Thessalian cavalry and a group of Classical Greek Hopitai. But we must be cautious of the reinforcements, though we outnumber them, phalanxes are definitely a pain in the Greek ass.

....

The Battle to Free Athenai

https://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8885/270bcsummer2battle1iv4.jpg
The battle begins. The Athenians are late as usual, and the Spartan army of Chalkis finds itself battling the besiegers to the east AND (soon) the reinforcements to the north. The Athenian forces lag behind and struggle to catch up in-time to aid their brethren.

https://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6843/270bcsummer2battle2fa6.jpg
Hoplitai rush at one another, but surely Greek valor will prevail against the Makedonian oppression. Who do these fools think they are? Fighting as classic hoplitai? Who can beat the Greeks at their own fighting style? Hahahaha

https://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8203/270bcsummer2battle3xx2.jpg
The Hoplitai Hoploi and our brave general battle the Thessalian cavalry. The enemy captain is clearly seen leading his horsemen. Brave... but stupid...

https://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9655/270bcsummer2battle4uo7.jpg
As the Athenian forces catch up, our troops surround the Thessalians. Today we laugh at the times when tremple upoen hearing their hooves, we shall fear them no longer! (as long as we have 10x as many spears as they have horses)

https://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5442/270bcsummer2battle5lf4.jpg
The Thessalian cavalry flee!

https://img77.imageshack.us/img77/9288/270bcsummer2battle6hy2.jpg
The Makedonian hoplites are routed. It is quite fitting that of the two regiments they are the last to flee, as they fight in our Hellenic battle-formation.

https://img212.imageshack.us/img212/408/270bcsummer2battle7anp6.jpg
https://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8858/270bcsummer2battle7bzm5.jpg
Bodies litter the battlefield, but the fight is but half won, we still have the reinforcements to the north to deal with!

https://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8268/270bcsummer2battle8bw4.jpg
Our forces rush to meet the new threat... the Akontistai and Sphendonetai are already on the hill giving the Makedonians a nice mid-day shower of iron and wood.

https://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6219/270bcsummer2battle9rz5.jpg
Using the Hoplitai Hoploi, the phalanx is pinned, and then Spartans come from the side and rear to break the formation apart...

https://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9113/270bcsummer2battle10dt5.jpg
The enemies are breaking, unable to hold their nerve against our pinning tactic!

https://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2002/270bcsummer2battle11iz9.jpg
Peltasti charge into the rear of the phalanx whole our Spartans and hoplites pin them down. Classic tactic.

https://img250.imageshack.us/img250/3408/270bcsummer2battle12nf3.jpg
A phalanx is surrounded and our general rushes north to attempt to catch fleeing enemies.

https://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3997/270bcsummer2battle13fs3.jpg
A captain fallen, that should teach those Makedonian dogs not to mess with Greeks!

https://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9205/270bcsummer2battle14pn4.jpg
The enemies flee...

https://img77.imageshack.us/img77/2796/270bcsummer2battle15lj6.jpg
We killed nearly 80% of the enemy forces while losing a few Classic hoplites and a most of a levy hoplite regiment. No matter, levies can be cheaply retrained! This is a great victory indeed.

https://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9475/270bcsummer2postbattleuj0.jpg
A military complex is being started in Athenai, so that Ekdromoi Hoplitai can be recruited in the future... that should help us have more successful flanking and pinning faster, till we get better cavalry

This all in the first 2 turns, the summer of 270 BC

KuKulzA

08-23-2007, 20:44

damn it!

alright, I didn't see that link till this morning, after i had started playing...

so should I post up the new KH.sav and have you test it out to see if it is compatible on your build? and if not then I will restart all I've done?

Spoofa

08-23-2007, 21:51

sure, post the savegame

Bootsiuv

08-23-2007, 23:54

It will most likely be compatible, but it would be a good idea to use Spoofa's script in the future. As long as it's compatible, I don't see a big problem with it. BTW, I've updated the first post in what is supposed to be our OOC thread (although this one is basically both that now) with the proper links. Please download those if you haven't already done so.

@Nikolaus

Sorry about that, you can go after Bobolicious.

KuKulzA

08-24-2007, 02:08

http://files.filefront.com//;8387642;;/

let me know how it goes :yes:
thank you all for your patience

Spoofa

08-24-2007, 02:26

it should be fine.

KuKulzA

08-24-2007, 02:44

it should be fine.

so I can continue?

Spoofa

08-24-2007, 04:49

yes

KuKulzA

08-24-2007, 19:34

Before I report the goings-ons I would like to say a few things My term as Hegemon ends Winter269, I do not have long, as Hegemon, nor as a living soul
Apologies Spartans and Athenians for bossing your forces but the defense of Athenai was imperative
We have a potentially decisive route we can take... sacking Pella itself!
Should my term end before Pella is taken (if that is the will of the Council), may the next Hegemon have the gods on his side.

The Ptolemaioi and the Makedonians have declared a ceasefire... pity...
But for now we are the most advanced faction, though I doubt it will last long
Our brave general of the last battle returns to Chalkis, and begins retraining the severely thinned ranks of the heroic Hoplitai Haploi unit. Farms are being developed in Sparte and Chalkis, they should in later years greatly aid our production.

...late summer of 270 BC
The Makedonians gather in Demetrias (https://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2117/270bcsummerdemetriasfe9.jpg) and it is swollen with a strong garrison, a mighty obstacle for us Greeks. Thus, in preparation for a bloody conflict, I have decided to declare a ceasefire (https://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9759/270bcsummerseleuceasefidu4.jpg) with Arche Seleukeia.
Pella (https://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8290/270bcsummerthepellaho4.jpg) is defended by a strong army (https://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8833/270bcsummerthepellaarmijy7.jpg) and it is itself weak and relatively vulnerable to attack... if only we could land an army near it by sea...
and my son Eugenios Rhodios is but 6 years old, and I have one foot in the grave... too bad I was the 40-year-old virgin, maybe I shoulda gotten to baby-making earlier on :laugh4:

Winter of 270 BC
With the navies of Arche Seleukeia no longer hounding our shores, Rhodos is now constructing a better port (https://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4386/270bcwinter1sg5.jpg) to increase our trade fleets by 4.
Forces of Epeiros and Makedon face off (https://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9646/270bcwinter2vl5.jpg), but the black banners have the advantage. However, this means they have sent their northern army north to deal with Epeiros or Eleutheroi... Pella lies open like a sleeping virgin. :yes:
Our spy has found that Phyrrus' armies are indeed expanding into Illyria (https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1243/270bcwinter3pv1.jpg), lazy bastard... no matter, we share have the exclusive glory of slaying the Antigonids.
Peltasti and Hoplitai Haploi are being retrained (https://img523.imageshack.us/img523/269/270bcwinter4tl4.jpg) at Athenai.

Summer of 269 BC
Unfortunately phalagite bandits (https://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9637/269bcsummer1et9.jpg) have appeared on the northern slopes. They will not be bribed, thus complicating matters.
My prayers have been answered! Epeius Halikarnassios (https://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1516/269bcsummer2ek9.jpg), a Euxeinos and garrison commander at Sparte, shall be betrothed to Hermine! I shall treat him as a son for now and he shall lead our armies while I am Hegemon. This way I can leave the Athenians and Spartans to their cities and not pester them with my commands... afterall I am a Rhodian and my orders are not always well considered by the mainlanders. Epeius was sent to Athenai (https://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3471/269bcsummer3vu9.jpg) to be better equipped and armed.

Our forces (https://img523.imageshack.us/img523/659/269bcsummer4dx3.jpg) assemble just north of Athenai....

Pella is a tempting target...
I am willing to attempt an amphibious assault on Pella as their northern army is further north and nowhere to be seen, and Demetrias is a stronghold against our expansion. Should we take Pella, the Makedonians will be left with one city on the mainland. Though perhaps we should await the completion of the Athenian military complex so that the light Hoplites can be recruited...

Council of the Koinon Hellenon, speak your mind! :2thumbsup:

Bootsiuv

08-24-2007, 20:59

I ask that you list all governors and generals, so we can make sure all characters are being used, and people will know what city-state their interests should lie in. For example, if my character, Areus, is governor of Korinthos, then he would likely want Korinthos to recieve this or that. Just a suggestion.

As far as attacking Pella before Demetrias, I fear that may be a mistake. The Makedonian Navy is likely far larger than ours (the A.I doesn't disband fleets, so they probably still have their starting three). If our fleet is destroyed, our army will be stranded in Makedonia, and we'll be in danger of being squeezed between southern and northern Makedonian forces. The loss of our standing army is not something which I would like to see. I suggest the next Hegemon send a full stack into the highlands of Thessalonika, and hopefully the Makedonians will take the bait. If we can hold the high ground, we may be able to defeat numerically superior forces.

KuKulzA

08-24-2007, 21:35

https://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5672/269bcsummer5jo4.jpg

I see your thinking. Nevertheless, if we do successfully take Pella and squeeze Demetrias we may very well see a quick, decisive, and extremely risky victory against the Makedonians. It was just a thought since the opportunity is open. :yes:

KuKulzA

08-25-2007, 17:53

It is the end of my turn fellow Greeks. I have saved Athenai and strengthened the standing army. But it is for the next Hegemon to make the Makedonians pay. And amazingly I'm still not dead yet. :laugh4:

https://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6918/50861781zi3.jpg
The forces of Epeiros are at peace with the Romani, perhaps they will turn their attention to Pella now. Or perhaps they are severly weakened, but if so, then it would be only on Italian soil at this point.

https://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7843/50402293yn1.jpg
The Skeuotheke Strateumatos at Athenai is complete!

https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/940/35171826mr8.jpg
The training of Ekdromoi Hoplitai begins, they could be instrumental in flanking enemy troops until we have good cavalry.

some words of advice... It may be wise to avoid large battles with the Makedonians, instead pick on their smaller force and always look to have the higher ground. Also, use plenty of pinning & flanking tactics to break the morale of the phalanxes. It may be wise to await till we have enough mnai to develope a better mine in Athenai, it will not take long, our economy is growing quite nicely.
I hope I have left a good country in your hands and best of luck, we shall all eagerly await your reports to the council...

And without further adue I hand the Hegemony to my successor:
http://files.filefront.com//;8397312;;/

Nikolaus

08-25-2007, 18:04

Looks good so far, I agree though, attacking Pella may turn into a disaster. We may loose our fleet mid voyage, killing an army and general without bloodshed. Also, the army from Demetrios could take the city back quickly, and if we make moves towards Pella, the Makedon army fighting the Epriotes could come back and we'd be outnumbered in Thessaly. Perhaps we should make a joint attack, feigning an assault at Pella, diverting troops from Demetrios, then attacking Demetrios while its army is seperated. That sounds like a sound startegem to me.

On another note I will have a character soon. By the looks of it, either an Attikos or Rhodios. How old are Nicator(i think thats his name), and the younger rhodios?

I'm eager to see what will happen in the next few years.

Bobolicious

08-25-2007, 18:19

I dont think attacking pella would be a good idea right now. However, the plan to bait the macedonians into attacking sound like a solid plan.

Bootsiuv

08-25-2007, 18:52

Nice reign, KuKulzA.

EasternScourge, you're up.

Would you please list all of the characters that are currently alive. I know we got one new general, and he needs to be given to someone. Remember, people whose general is leading the battle is supposed to fight that battle out. I vote that Akrotatos lead the attack into northern greece.

KuKulzA

08-25-2007, 20:31

if a nice reign is one that promotes the prosperity and defense of a state then it was a nice reign :2thumbsup:

I agree Akrotatos should lead the expedition and have Epeius oversee Chalkis :yes:

Spoofa

08-25-2007, 21:53

I appreciate the councils confidence in my military prowess.

KuKulzA

08-26-2007, 01:07

I appreciate the councils confidence in my military prowess.
no big deal... your a Spartan

you guys once boycotted the Olympics because the pankration match forbid eye-gouging and biting... I think you're a great general with a badass heritage behind ya... (you better not fail us!) :whip:

:laugh4: have fun! :2thumbsup:

EDIT:
so who is EasternScourge going to be? Epeius?

Bootsiuv

08-26-2007, 01:26

KuKulzA

08-26-2007, 01:48

If he's next in line for a character, then yes. I haven't even looked at the original list recently. Whatever order that list was is the order that people should get a character if they haven't had one. If your character dies, you go to the end of the line. I think eventually we'll have too many characters, in which case the Hegemon will play out the battles of any extra. :)

well there's:

Areus Eurypontidos Lakedaimonios
Akrotatos Eurypontidos Lakedaimonios
Chremonides Aithalidos Attikos
Agathokles Rhodios
Epeius Halikarnassios
if you're Areus, Spoofa's Akrotatos, I'm old Rhodios, then somebody was Attikos and somebody will be Epeius... but my memory is bad right now...

Spoofa

08-26-2007, 04:25

if I am to be sent northward to campaign against the Makedonians, then I suggest sending Epeius to chalkis to take over the government in my absence.

(also whoever is hegemon, should discuss the armies moves with me before moving my army correct? or does he move the army and i just fight the battles? it would be more realistic if not more time consuming to do though.)

Basileus Seleukeia

08-26-2007, 15:12

As far as I know, I'm the next in the list, so i think Epeius is going to be me. Rhodos, here I come!

KuKulzA

08-26-2007, 16:06

As far as I know, I'm the next in the list, so i think Epeius is going to be me. Rhodos, here I come!

KuKulzA
EasternScourge
Basileus Seleukiea
Theycallmetighty
Bootsiuv
Spoofa

did EasternScourge drop out?

Bootsiuv

08-26-2007, 17:11

I dunno....we'll give him a day, and if he doesn't return, Basileus Seleukia can go next. I'm fairly certain he is Chremonides, so Basileus gets to be the new guy. :)

Bootsiuv

08-26-2007, 17:26

@Spoofa,

I would like to see the Hegemon discuss army movements with the leading general. It would be a little more realistic, and it would add a little more immersion for those who are leading the armies (even though they aren't necessarily playing the campaign). I would also like to see governors become more involved, but I don't even know who is governor of what city at this point. Once my reign is up, I might try something a little different....hopefully I'll be able to get more people involved during my reign, as opposed to more or less just watching (which I understand is a little hard to avoid at the beginning of the game, as there is really little going on).

KuKulzA

08-26-2007, 17:41

at this exact moment...

Areus Eurypontidos Lakedaimonios ------- Sparte
Akrotatos Eurypontidos Lakedaimonios --- Chalkis
Chremonides Aithalidos Attikos ---------- Athenai
Agathokles Rhodios --------------------- Rhodos
Epeius Halikarnassios ------------------- w/ army

Bootsiuv

08-26-2007, 17:43

Ok....cool. Thank you.

Well, for people who are governors, you should probably give a crap about your city-state, if only for roleplaying purposes. :)

KuKulzA

08-27-2007, 19:12

so who's going to carry on the Hegemony? EasternScourge or Basileus Seleukeia?
if someone don't continue this soon we might go just go crazy... CRAZY!!! http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/jumping0001.gif

seriously though I think if one of them has downloaded and begun playing they should let us know just so we know it's progressing.

And as for governors...

Perhaps governors during their hegemony can build anything they like in their city, WITHOUT consulting the Council but MUST consult the council if building anything outside of their city?
and what about spheres of influence?
How about the governor of Sparte gets to also control what is built in Korinthos, the gov. of Athenai gets to decide on Chalkis and the gov. of Rhodos gets supervision over whatever we conquer that's nearby like Krete or Halikarnassoss or Byzantion...

just a thought :2thumbsup:

Bootsiuv

08-27-2007, 21:45

We'll give easternScourge until midnight tonite....and if he hasn't said anything, we'll move on to Basileus Seleukeia.

You've got 7 hours guy (if for some reason, you are out of town, at work, etc, and just can't get to it...don't worry. I had to skip my first turn, your still more than welcome to continue playing).

Bootsiuv

08-28-2007, 06:27

Well, EasternScourge appears to be inactive/dropped out. For now, we'll assume he's inactive. If he doesn't come back within 48 hours, Chremonides will go to someone else, and he'll have to get in line for a new character if he wants to come back and play.

Basileus Seleukeia is up.

EasternScourge

08-28-2007, 23:49

Sorry for disappearing like that.Our Internet connection suffered some problems due to lighting,and I just got the ability to get on.However,its at my grandma's house,so my access is limited.So until the Internet problem is solved,I am forced to temporarily drop out the game.

KuKulzA

08-29-2007, 01:25

nevertheless glad to hear from ya

if Basileus Seleukeia doesn't come up then I guess it's Theycallmetighty's turn?

Bootsiuv

08-29-2007, 03:53

nevertheless glad to hear from ya

if Basileus Seleukeia doesn't come up then I guess it's Theycallmetighty's turn?

Yeah we'll give him 24 hours, after that we'll move on to the next player. Hopefully, someone will eventually show up.

Basileus Seleukeia

08-29-2007, 13:33

Woah, wait a moment! I thought we would vote it out! But, if we do it turn-wise now, I'll go for it. Just post the link to the savegame.

Bootsiuv

08-29-2007, 17:24

Woah, wait a moment! I thought we would vote it out! But, if we do it turn-wise now, I'll go for it. Just post the link to the savegame.

Not enough players to make voting very worthwhile. The save game file is located in KuKulzA's last hegemon post. I think it's on the previous page. Good luck. :)

Bobolicious

08-29-2007, 22:10

Well, if this keeps up, I suppose i should hurry and get my EB game running according to the rules we're using! I hope theycallmemighty shows up!

Bootsiuv

08-29-2007, 22:16

Yeah....succession games with EB2 might be more popular, seeing as how more and more people seem to be going over to M2TW (or planning on it after Kingdoms is released). It's just the nature of the beast when your playing a game which is three years old. Eventually, interest wanes.

I've actually been thinking of reinstalling civ III and making my own little mods like I used to, but after R:TW I don't know how into it I'll be able to get. I just loved civ III because it was so easy to mod. Modding R:TW, for the most part, is just over my head.

Bobolicious

08-29-2007, 22:26

will EB2 be based in the same time period as this one? Will it have anything to do with the Middle Ages?

Bootsiuv

08-29-2007, 22:37

EB2 is EB on the M2TW engine. It will encompass the same time periods. There will be more playable factions though, although the unit limit remains the same. How the EB team works that one out, I really don't know.

KuKulzA

08-29-2007, 23:10

I know what you mean, I am hoping to be able to get a new PC to play M2TW kingdoms and mod a conversion to be about the Classic Mayan era... they said it was the most moddable, but they didn't say it would be the most modder friendly :beam:

Basileus Seleukeia, don't forget to post up updates! :2thumbsup: even if they aren't battles

Nikolaus

08-29-2007, 23:54

well I still want to play,, so we can still try to salvege this.

Spoofa

08-30-2007, 00:01

make sure you let me lead the battles if my character is voted to be the general of our army mr.BS (no pun intended.)

Bootsiuv

08-30-2007, 01:22

Oh it's salvageable...only one person has dropped out. It will hopefully get more interesting once Makedon is out of the way, and we have to decide if we should go east or west.

Spoofa

08-30-2007, 04:44

It has never been our greek dream to go west, the east is where our desires lie.

Bootsiuv

08-30-2007, 05:45

Aaah, perhaps.

Although the fertile valleys of Sicilia and Italia are extremely inviting. :)

Basileus Seleukeia

08-30-2007, 12:07

Sorry, I'm very busy today, I can only play tonight, so no updates for today, but I think I can do some for tomorrow.

Tellos Athenaios

08-30-2007, 13:08

It has never been our greek dream to go west, the east is where our desires lie.

I must disagree: Syrakousai proves otherwise.

Bootsiuv

08-30-2007, 16:22

KuKulzA

08-30-2007, 19:38

As does Emporion, Massillia, and countless other colonies in the western Mediterranean. The east is wealthier, but you also have to deal with the huge successor states, although I don't think Rome would be much better. We'll kill Makedon, and then see what everyone wants.
agreed... though I feel controlling the Black Sea would be better than heading east or west...
i say north, my friends, if only to avoid having to fight well-established military powers for now
Kart-hadast, Romani, Seleukeia to name a few... but north we;d have Getai and Sauromatae which woul dbe much easier to destroy than the more entrenched civilized powers

EDIT: damnit i love the Getai and Sauromatae, why am I vouching to destroy them :laugh4:

Bootsiuv

08-30-2007, 20:24

You have to remember, though, that mainland greeks aren't known for their cavalry....and both the Getai, and especially Sauromatae, have excellent cavalry. Once we have Thessalonikan (sp?) cavalry, we'll be in a far better position to take on cavalry based factions.

Really, though, we'll face a cavalry heavy army eventually no matter what direction we choose to go. Qarthadastim Sacred Band in the west, Seleukid Kataphraktoi in the east....Our hoplites will have their work cut out for them no matter which direction I think we choose to go.

One last thing to note, the north is extremely poor and sparsely populated, except for the coasts of the Pontus Euxine. If we do decide to go North, we should stay within the coastal territories, and swing down through the Caucasus into Asia Minor. The steppes aren't worth bothering about IMO.

KuKulzA

08-30-2007, 21:54

i meant the area just south of the Getai (where the mines be), Kollatis, Byzantion, and the Crimean peninsula

Bootsiuv

08-31-2007, 02:24

Hmmmm, yes....these are good lands to take if it doesn't bring us in conflict with the aforementioned factions. :)

Kydonia, Bithynia, and Syrakousai are also viable options, but we would need a larger fleet.

This is assuming, of course, that we can break the makedonians.

KuKulzA

08-31-2007, 03:12

EasternScourge

08-31-2007, 12:57

Oh it's salvageable...only one person has dropped out. It will hopefully get more interesting once Makedon is out of the way, and we have to decide if we should go east or west.

Hey,I only temporarily dropped out due to Internet connection problems,which are now fixed.So, I'm back and ready,though just put me at the bottom of the lists for Hegemon so its fair.

Anyways,I say lets worry about beating the Makedonians first, then stabilize our control and economy, then go beat up the Epirotes.Pan-Hellenism all the way (oh,and get Delphi to).After that,head west.Must stop the Romani before they get to strong (and I don't want to have to deal with the Silver Death).

Bootsiuv

08-31-2007, 15:41

Good to have you back. :)

Basileus Seleukeia

08-31-2007, 17:56

Easternscourge, would you mind doing this term? I do have a lot of work to do at home, and I really don't have the time today. But next week I'll be ready, that's for sure!:beam:

Bootsiuv

08-31-2007, 18:30

Fair enough. EasternScourge, you're up.

EasternScourge

09-01-2007, 14:02

Alright,I have everything dowmloaded and working.I'll get the first update sometime today.

KuKulzA

09-01-2007, 15:03

awesome!!! :beam:

Bootsiuv

09-01-2007, 17:16

Good shit....just so ya know, the savegame is in KuKulzA's last hegemon post (if you didn't get it yet).

Yay, we can proceed! :P

EasternScourge

09-01-2007, 21:33

Year One of the hegemony of Chremonides Attikos-269 B.C.

Okay,first off,someone asked me to show a lists of living generals,so,here it is.

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/EB_TES/Multiplayer/FamilyTree.jpg

However,don't get to comfortable with that.Also,I decided to take a quick view of how the rest of the world is going.I only kept the Fog of War only long enough for that picture.

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/EB_TES/Multiplayer/Others.jpg

Anyways,on to the reign.

Winter of 269 B.C.

Focusing my hegemony on securing our current provinces while preparing for the invasion of Makedonia, governments are currently being installed in Korinthos and Chalkis (Note:Whoever is in charge of Korinthos,tell me if you don't want it).

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/EB_TES/Multiplayer/Governments.jpg

In preparation of the invasion, a unit of Pelastai were recruited,along with a unit of Mercenary Classical Hoplites.

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/EB_TES/Multiplayer/Recruitment.jpg

And for safety,Epius army was put in a fort.

Nothing happened in Spring,and nothing important happened in Summer except Epius was to compete in the games.

Fall of 268 B.C.

The following image should suffice for what happened.

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/EB_TES/Multiplayer/Events.jpg

Our former Hegemon Agathokes has died.While saddened by the lost, we continue with the preparation for the push into the Makedonian heartland.Two units of skirmisher cavalry were recruited for the cause.While not our standard form of fighting,I feel that we must adapt to cavalry-fighting.Besides,they can be used to slaughter the Makedonian cowards when they flee the field.

I swear I took a picture of the army,but I guess it didn't go through.Only additions were A Pelastai,A Mercenary Greek Classical Hoplite,and Two Skirmisher Cavalries.

So,what should happen?Should we head to Dementais now (we're about even in size), or continue preparing.Also,I need the Spartan leader to give me their construction orders for their sphere of influence.Same with the Rhodos,even though they don't have a governor.

Bootsiuv

09-01-2007, 21:57

I feel that we should focus on economic development of the Pelleponese. Seeing as how it is no longer on our front lines, the Pelleponese should be fairly safe.

I would recemmond that we use Spartan Peltastai, as they're naturally better than fresh recruits from other cities (1 Experience). Don't forget to retrain new recruits and mercs in Athenai, so we can upgrade their arms and armor.

A few units of Athenian Light Hoplites would also be desirable....I've been thinking something like this for our invasion army...

Main Force:
2 Spartan Peltastai
2 Athenian Light Hoplites
4 Hoplitai Haploi
1 Spartan Hoplites
2 Athenian Hoplites (the ones stationed in Athens in the beginning of the game).
2 Skirmisher Cavalry
1 General
Reserves:
2 Slingers
2 Akontistai

Any Mercs we can afford....Thuerophoroi are very nice.

Bootsiuv

09-01-2007, 22:00

BTW, those who aren't playing along are welcome to add their two cents about mistakes on army composition or strategy we're making.

Tellos Athenaios

09-01-2007, 23:11

If I were you, I would try to get my hands on some Thrakioi Peltastai. They can do serious damage - they are THE peltast. (To say mother of all peltasts, would be somewhat weird - yet you can grasp the idea, no?)

Bootsiuv

09-01-2007, 23:45

We'll just say they're the "originals", yes?

I actually forgot about those, but they are badass. I don't think they're available for hire in Southern Greece though. I'm weary of sending a fleet to byzantion to pick up a few mercs only to have the whole fleet sunk on the way home.

EasternScourge

09-01-2007, 23:49

KuKulzA

09-01-2007, 23:49

if you are the daring general type go for it... but I definitely think infantry-wise we are set... either some good peltast tyes or cavalry to add felxibility to our army

If I were you, I would try to get my hands on some Thrakioi Peltastai. They can do serious damage - they are THE peltast. (To say mother of all peltasts, would be somewhat weird - yet you can grasp the idea, no?)
if we can get our hands on those they are AWESOME
on my Getai campaigns they are my main infantry unit later on... being so tough and all

EasternScourge

09-01-2007, 23:54

if you are the daring general type go for it... but I definitely think infantry-wise we are set... either some good peltast tyes or cavalry to add felxibility to our army

if we can get our hands on those they are AWESOME
on my Getai campaigns they are my main infantry unit later on... being so tough and all

Daring is not my kind of thing.However,if the council feels prepared,I'll get the order sent.Though who will fight as Epieus?

KuKulzA

09-02-2007, 00:35

Daring is not my kind of thing.However,if the council feels prepared,I'll get the order sent.Though who will fight as Epieus?

being used to nomadic factions its fight or flight :laugh4:
but we aint got nowhere to run, so we might as well fight (and win)

but it's not my turn, and I dunno who has Epeius... I guess I could be him unless someone else is in line for him, in which case I guess I can get Rhodios' son
Epeius can mind Chalkis if the Council wants a Spartan in charge :yes:

Bootsiuv

09-02-2007, 00:42

If that's already our army (with whatever filling up the two places left), then we're probably in the best position we can be to take on Antigonus main forces.

If those cavalry are Hippeis (Medium Greek Cavalry), I can never bring myself to hire merc units of those....too much money for, when compared to Makedonia and her light lancers, rather weak and ineffectual cavalry.

Now, if they're of the Thessalonian variety, if I'm not mistaken, those are much more worthwhile. I would say hire it if you have a free slot and the necessary funds without bankrupting us. It will be the closest thing we have to heavy cavalry (and I think it's just a heavier light cavalry, really).

As for who is leading the battle, I think Akrotatos should be taken from Chalkis, and Basileus Seleukia aka Epeius will take over in Chalkis.

Unless Korinthos still goes ungoverned....if that's the case, give Epeius Korinthos, and let Chalkis remain ungoverned. *cant remember if they're is an ungoverned city aside from Rhodios, which may very well go ungoverned for ~5 years until that little shit, Rhodios jr comes of age....I think he pops up in Rhodes*

Unfortunately, KuKulzA, I think you were Rhodios, so you have to go to the end of the line of players without characters, which I think puts 3 ahead of you. You should definitely have a character by the time it is your turn again though. Of course, you're still welcome to take place in talks of strategy and such.

Don't worry though, I haven't even played yet, and I organized the whole thing. But I've been enjoying myself just seeing what others have done, and wondering where we'll be at when it's my turn to take over.

KuKulzA

09-02-2007, 00:56

aside from Rhodios, which may very well go ungoverned for ~5 years until that little shit, Rhodios jr comes of age....I think he pops up in Rhodes*

Unfortunately, KuKulzA, I think you were Rhodios, so you have to go to the end of the line of players without characters, which I think puts 3 ahead of you. You should definitely have a character by the time it is your turn again though. Of course, you're still welcome to take place in talks of strategy and such.

that "little shit, Rhodios jr" might very well be me when my turn comes around :furious3: :laugh4: :yes:
I know what ya mean, you're organization of this semi-experimental Succession game has been good, no worries :2thumbsup:

hope when you play it is as challenging and fun as you would have it be :beam:

Sassem

09-02-2007, 00:58

Year One of the hegemony of Chremonides Attikos-296 B.C.

WOW those nasty wormholes:oops:

EasternScourge

09-02-2007, 02:43

Bootsiuv

09-02-2007, 02:49

I would think that would be the best course of action, but the final decision rests with you, really. Just remember to pass the battles along if your character isn't the one leading the campaign. You can still move them though. :)

Bootsiuv

09-03-2007, 23:49

Sooooo....shall we continue?

EasternScourge

09-04-2007, 00:03

Oh,I was waiting for whoever is in charge of Akrotatos to post,seeing as I need to know what he wanted built for Sparta.That,and know he's still here so I can put his character in charge of the invasion.I'll continue tomorrow after school.

Bootsiuv

09-04-2007, 00:47

Well, general guidelines can be given, but, really, the final decision lays with you. Otherwise, the game will take too long. You can still ask questions, but if everyone hasn't answered within about 24 hours, just decide for them.

KuKulzA

09-04-2007, 02:51

go for it... and you can do whatever you wanna with Rhodos, I don't really care that much, just if you do anything with Rhodos, let it be economic...

having said that I think my jurisdiction is over since old Rhodios is dead... o well

Spoofa

09-04-2007, 05:02

wait what? im still here... just been waiting for somthing to happen lol

(P.S.) I am governor of Chalkis not Sparte enless you mean my father.

EasternScourge

09-05-2007, 00:02

Okay,update time.Yay.

Year Two of the Hegemony of Chremonides Attikos 258 B.C.

Winter of 269 B.C.

Not much happened, though I have started some economic bulding programs in Sparta and Athens.In Rhodes, work is going on in improving the stabilty there.

Sparta-Trader
Athens-Mercantile Dock
Rhodes-Garrison (Without a governor I fear that it might get unhappier there,so this should help a little)

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/EB_TES/Multiplayer/GovernorsofSandA.jpg

Spring of 268 B.C.

My son has finally grown of age,and doesn't seem to shabby.He'll take charge of Chalkis while Akrotatos leads the invasion of Makedonia.Epeius has been moved to Korinthos.Now if only Rhodios had a son,all cities would be governed.

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/EB_TES/Multiplayer/Doros.jpg

Here he is,traits and all

Summer Through Fall of 268 B.C.

Not much happened these few months.The army had some last finishing touched done to it and the governments of Korinthos and Chalkis were finished.And Sparta has a small trading post.Lets hope these warriors can learn how to use it.

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/EB_TES/Multiplayer/Gov.Done.jpg

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/EB_TES/Multiplayer/ArmyandFinance.jpg

Here is the army for the invasion of Makedonia.Led by Akratatos,who has already shown his worth on the battlefield.And there is our treasury (the number covered is a one.Wasn't paying that much attention to the pointer's location)

And so ends my reign as Hegemon.Hopefully my succesor does more than me.

Okay,my thoughts on my reign as the Hegemon.Pretty much just went and focused on some internal things along with preparing for the invasion.Otherwise,pretty uneventful.Except Rhodios dying,which makes me kind of sad that its the highlight of this term (in my opinion anyway).

Heres the save file:

http://files.filefront.com/KHsav/;8480601;/fileinfo.html

Spoofa

09-05-2007, 00:52

Who shall lead us now?

Bootsiuv

09-05-2007, 01:15

If I'm not mistaken, it's theycallmetighty, but I haven't heard from him in a while.

Spoofa

09-05-2007, 01:40

I shall make this army of peasants fight like lions.

Bootsiuv

09-05-2007, 02:06

I see Akrotatos is eager to start the northern campaign. We'll give theycallmetighty 24 hours to start his term. If he doesn't respond by then, we'll move on to the next person (which I think is Bobolicious).

Bobolicious

09-05-2007, 03:41

Thanks for remembering me....I really hope I can finally get the mods working, I think I have the darth mod because at the beginnings of some battles my army startes off in a weird formation, but I havnt noticed the ai using them.

I may have already mentioned that because I use a laptop w/out a mouse my reaction time is slower so in many battles I take higher casualties than most other players.

KuKulzA

09-05-2007, 05:45

@ EasternScourge : very nice, now we have a pretty decent army, good job!

I shall make this army of peasants fight like lions.
lions are such pimps... they have a bunch of ladies that do everythin for them, and they get the first bite... just like the pimp collectin his cash from his group of hoes... and he's decked out with a mane, like a pimp's got imptastic clothes and bling...
yes we shall fight like LIONS!!!!

Thanks for remembering me....I really hope I can finally get the mods working, I think I have the darth mod because at the beginnings of some battles my army startes off in a weird formation, but I havnt noticed the ai using them.

I may have already mentioned that because I use a laptop w/out a mouse my reaction time is slower so in many battles I take higher casualties than most other players.
the pause button will be your friend :yes:

Bootsiuv

09-05-2007, 15:56

Or you could bug your mom (or wife, or girlfriend, or whatever) to buy you a little USB mouse with a scroll wheel. I think they're only like $15.

KuKulzA

09-05-2007, 19:39

Or you could bug your mom (or wife, or girlfriend, or whatever) to buy you a little USB mouse with a scroll wheel. I think they're only like $15.
good point, it can't be that exxpensive

or make lemonade and drink some and then sell a bunch for money, I think after awhile you'd have enough for a mouse...
promise your best buddy you owe him a small favor if he gets ya a new mouse and all...

hmm
go to your local library... and on a quiet day when no one is around...
quietly take the mouse from the computer and walk out like that's that

kidding :laugh4:

:2cents:

Bootsiuv

09-05-2007, 20:56

You've got 5 hours theycallmetighty, then we'll move on to the next person. It's nothing personal, I just would like to keep this thing moving.

EDIT: 6.5 hours later, still no response. Sorry theycallmetighty, we'll have to move on to the next guy. If you come back, you're more than welcome to continue participating.

Bobolicious, you're up. KuKulzA's gave some good advice. The pause button and laptop mousepads go hand-in-hand. :)

Bootsiuv

09-06-2007, 17:20

Bobolicious, you're up. Since I didn't make a new post (thus it may have looked like nothing was added to the thread), I'll give you 24 hours from now.

Bobolicious

09-06-2007, 22:16

Alright, im gonna try a few more times to get the game working, but in the meantime, where do i download the file?

Bootsiuv

09-06-2007, 22:52

If you mean the save file you can find it here (http://files.filefront.com/KHsav/;84.../fileinfo.html).

What problems are you having exactly. Is it with the mods? Have you tried a fresh install of EB....that worked for me. Don't forget, we're using spoofa's script. I'll find it and post a link to it, if you haven't gotten it already.

theycallmetighty

09-09-2007, 03:39

hey guys, ya im here sorry you had to waste 24 hours waiting for me but I wont be able to continue this thread. I've been really busy and I have to continue my saka aar (along with other) so im afraid I have to drop out. Ill still be following this thread though, good luck :beam:

Bootsiuv

09-09-2007, 04:20

Fair Enough. Speaking of which, Bobolicious, what's up? Are you going to take your turn, or would you prefer to pass? I would like to keep this going, as it's already dieing on the vine.

Bobolicious

09-09-2007, 04:57

as much as i was looking forward to my turn, you should probably go ahead with someone else. ill tell you when i get the damn thing working...

oh yeah, how many people are still in this thing, 4 or 5 right?

Bootsiuv

09-09-2007, 05:28

I think it's about 4 or 5....

I assume these people are still playing....

Spoofa
KuKulzA
Eastern Scourge
Basilieus Seleukeia
Bobolicious
Nikolaus

If I forgot anyone, forgive me....just say something.

I haven't heard from several of these people in the past few days though....I'm inclined to say this experiment has failed, but I'm more than willing to continue playing if everyone on the list is still around.

So, let me know, guys. Is everyone willing to continue? If so, we really should try to get a little more organized.

Thanks for your time,

Bootsiuv

Bobolicious

09-09-2007, 05:53

Sassem

09-09-2007, 10:41

I will put myself up for adoption if you guys don't mind

If I should be adopted Then I have a few questions

unit size is large right?

what are the right settings for play difficulty M/M

I have already DL the 2 files from the KH Succession Game Thread: Spoofa script and the formation mod

I'm now busy installing a fresh EB for this

so I will hopefully be ready when you say Yeah

ps Bootsiuv it's time to hire a waitress :laugh4:

Basileus Seleukeia

09-09-2007, 12:14

I'm still in. It's just that I don't say much when there is nothing that I want to say:laugh4:

EasternScourge

09-09-2007, 13:12

I'm still in.Just waiting for it to get moving again.

Bootsiuv

09-09-2007, 14:24

Good shit....I take it will contine.

Sassem....glad to have you aboard.

Bobolicious....we have the same birthday....pretty cool, huh? I can't think of where those two files go, but if no one comes in with the answer soon, I'll look it up for you. :)

Baselieus....I was wondering if you were around, glad to see you'll still be playing along with us.

Hmmm, spoofa hasn't wrote in a few days....I know KuKulzA is fairly active, so I'm fairly certain we can keep playing.

Speaking of which, it's Basileus' turn for Hegemon.

Spoofa

09-09-2007, 14:35

what you say? :laugh4:

im always here even if i dont post in this thread. :yes:

Bootsiuv

09-09-2007, 14:38

Fantastic....then we'll continue.

Basileus Seleukeia, you're up. We should probably get an update on what our army is looking like, and what Makedon is up to in the north, as it's been a few days since we've been playing. :)

Sassem

09-09-2007, 14:40

well, im definitely in, but most of those people i havnt heard from in a while.

turns out, i think its the ai-formation mod im having problems with. ive downloaded Darth AI 8.0 but am unsure where to put the two files inside.

oh yeah, im liking the EB tavern bootsiuv, I just posted there a little while ago, i didnt realize this game was played by such a diverse collection of people.

@Bootsiuv: thanks I have just made a test play with last the save every thing seems OK

@Bobolicious:the formations files goes in ......Rome - Total War\EB\Data folder

just copy paste and overwrite the old ones

but I don't think it will solved the problem

Q: did you do the same with the Spoofa files Spoofa's files goes in .....D:\Rome - Total War\EB folder

just copy paste it in the EB folder over write everything same as the formation files

BTW install first Spoofa's files and after that the formation files

PS did you deleted the map.rwm files

Please correct me if I'm wrong but thats the way I did it

Bootsiuv

09-09-2007, 14:48

Thanks for your help, Sassem.

I'm on a different computer from my one with EB so I didn't have the files right in front of me.

BTW, to answer your questions....we are playing with large unit sizes and H/M difficulty settings, just in case you were still curious.

BTW, glad to hear that everything is working for you. Not everyone has characters yet, but as soon as a few come along, everyone should have one (shouldn't take too long), regardless if you have a character or not, you're still welcome to take part in debates and take a turn as Hegemon, you just won't have a general to fight any battles (although you'll still fight any captain led battles). Anyways, I don't even think it will be an issue, because they're is still a few people up before you, so a character for you will probably come along before your turn is even up.

Well, whenever you're ready, Basileus. :)

KuKulzA

09-09-2007, 15:31

I'm still here :2thumbsup:

Bobolicious

09-10-2007, 22:13

Thanks a ton!! No, two tons!

Bootsiuv

09-10-2007, 22:28

Soooo, Basileus....your turn, guy. I'll give you 24 hours from now, but we really need to move this along....I would like to kill of Makedon so we can set our eyes on bigger prizes. Italia and Sicilia look so green and fertile....and Taras, Rhegion, and Syrakousai are greek cities....who better to rule them than the Koinon Hellenon?

Lets beat Makedon first, and then we can decide that pressing question: East or West?

Bobolicious

09-11-2007, 06:06

Alright, lets go Basileus, ill move to the end of the line, and by then everything will be working fine. Oh yeah, i got that USB mouse for my laptop finally, so after i practice some, ill be ok in large battles and wont have to pause a whole lot.

PershsNhpios

09-11-2007, 15:42

It took me a second reading to realise what you have created her Bootsiuv, and I commend it, a grand idea for a multiplayer, community game of-sorts!
I like it well enough that, if you lose a player, or if this is reset or you start over with a different faction, that I might be included.
This is if I can understand all the alterations that need to be made in order to play the save games.
I will allow you to get back into character now..

Bootsiuv

09-11-2007, 16:38

Glenn, your welcome to join us....I don't really have much time right this minute, but I'll post the proper game files (spoofa's script) later today, just in case you would like to play along.

Basileus Seleukeia

09-11-2007, 17:47

Woah, sorry, I wasn't on the internet for a few days, so I just saw that it's my turn. I'll try now to get this going.
Edit: Oh. Crap. My Rome installation is totally screwed. Last Saturday, I had to de-install Rome in order to install Dawn of War for a Lan-party (yeah, my pc sucks) and I just re-installed it now. That's where the whole thing started screwing up on me. My pc does not see it as installed! I can't patch! I can't de-install it! And worst of all: A new installation doesn't work, even if I delete the folder! That's really bugging me. But my 16th birthday is on this Sunday and I'll get a Laptop for that, which will allow me to play Rome again, because I have no clue whatsoever how to fix this problem. Unlucky me...

Nikolaus

09-11-2007, 20:43

basileus, that happened to me, nad what i did to fix it was to delete rome:total war by using the add/remove program tool in the control panal

best of luck

Bootsiuv

09-11-2007, 22:26

It sounds like a windows registry problem....windows never erased Rome from your registry, and so it still sees the old installation as being there....and when you try to uninstall, the necessary uninstall folders aren't available, so it can't do it.

I would ask in the main forums....I guarantee someone can help you with that....hmmmm, I'm not 100% sure who is next, but I'll check and get back to you.

Sassem

09-11-2007, 22:42

basileus, that happened to me, nad what i did to fix it was to delete rome:total war by using the add/remove program tool in the control panal

best of luck

Goto https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=90437&highlight=clean+install

pst #6

Maybe this helps

Thanks to Bovi

Bootsiuv

09-11-2007, 22:54

I was going to tell you to ask Bovi too....he's sort of known as the local problem solver.

w00tsticks for Bovi!! :P

Nikolaus

09-13-2007, 15:19

no, its all good with my EB, i meant, when i had the problem of being unable to remove Rome so i could reinstall Rome, sorry for bein unclear haha

Basileus Seleukeia

09-13-2007, 17:30

Thanks to all your efforts, I finally made this beast working. Thank you. I have no time to start my term today (my mother gets pissed off if I play too long...if she notices, of course:laugh4: ) but tomorrow my rule shall begin. Before that is the case, I want to know one thing:
I'm Epeius, right? I'm pretty sure, but I just wanted to ask to prevent me playing the wrong guy. And actually, the traits and personality of my character are going to influence my report (I hope so at least... I have never done an AAR before, but I hope I can get you to feel my character.
And, btw, how do you post screenshots so that they appaer directly on the thread?
That's it for now, stay tuned.

Bootsiuv

09-13-2007, 17:35

Here's a pm I sent to glenn....hope it can be of some help.

No problem....always glad to help a new member. Ok here goes....

1. Get FRAPS. It's far and away the best screenshot program, and it's free (F10 is the standard button for taking screenshots, but you can change that in the program options).
2. Get GIMP. It's a free image-editing program akin to PhotoShop....this is good for cropping your pics. After you've made any crops, save the picture as a JPEG. This is important, as all hosting sites require the pics to be in JPEG, if I'm not mistaken.
3. Find a good host. I recommend Photobucket. Once again, it's free, so no worries.
4. After you've taken the screenshot with FRAPS, look in the FRAPS screenshot folder (this is easily accessed using the little fraps icon in the lower right corner. Ya know, where you see your clock and programs running....just right click on the fraps icon and select view screenshots) and select your the picture that you want.
5. Ok, now you've cropped your shot (assuming you want to), go to Photobucket and choose "my album" (after you've created an account of course), and you'll see the browse buttons to upload your pics....choose to browse, and go to the fraps/screenshots folder, and choose your pic.
6. Press Upload and upload your pics.
7. You'll now see that your pic is in your album.
After this it's really a simple matter of copy/paste.
You'll see several different codes under your picture (with an explanation of what they're for), just pick the last one (you'll see that it is to post on forums), it automatically copies once you select it (a photobucket feature), and then simply paste the code in your post, do a preview to make sure it looks good, and there ya go.

I hope that is easily followed. Look forward to seeing some screenshots of your casse campaign. You write well, and I am looking forward to reading more.

Well, hope that helps, and let me know if you have any problems.

Later

Bootsiuv

Basileus Seleukeia

09-13-2007, 17:50

Thank you very much. That is certainly helpful!

Bootsiuv

09-13-2007, 17:56

Always pleased to be of help to a fellow councilman. :P

EasternScourge

09-13-2007, 22:16

Basileus Seleukeia

09-14-2007, 15:54

My fellow greeks, the first year of my term has passed.
https://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd5/Basileus_Seleukeia/Hellas.jpg And I have news. Some building projects were finished, but they are barely worth mentioning. I have also ordered the construction of other buildings, but I do not want to make this longer than it has to. But there is one thing that will certainly matter in my speech: The northern campaign has begun! I have sent Akrotatos with our main army to liberate Demetrias from the hands of the barbaric makedonians. I have deemed him most fit for this task, as he is our most skilled military comander. He is currently besieging Demetrias, and shall report soon.
*Suddenly we hear an angry voice coming through the door which leads to the council hall: "No boy, you're not allowed in there! Hey! Stop!" Suddenly the door flys open, and a messanger appaers, sweating and gasping for breath*
"I have news! Akrotatos' army was attacked by a makedonian force which aims to break our siege of Demetrias!"

Here's the Savegame so that whoever is Akrotatos now can play the battle:
http://files.filefront.com/KHsav/;8553070;/fileinfo.html
I hope this one was not too short for your tastes. I just sort of lack inspiration right now.

Edit: Oops, the picture is screwed. I am sorry for having to ask you again, Bootsiuv, but how can I fix that?

Sassem

09-14-2007, 21:41

:help:

@Basileus Seleukeia: Sorry I can't open the save game

does more people have this problem?

is it because of this save is in mid ai turn the normal save game i can open that one is 2.153kb this one is only 1.128kb

Spoofa

09-14-2007, 22:45

it seems the bastard makedonians have found how to create a computer and have hacked the savegame! :skull:

(yeah i cant open it either)

Bootsiuv

09-14-2007, 22:56

Hmmmm, I don't understand why that would be a problem....unless they're is something that prevents you from loading a game during an ai turn. If that's the case (which it shouldn't be, really), then the hegemon will just be forced to play out all battles during ai turns (which somewhat defeats the purpose of having characters), and the player who controls the character will have to play on our turn only.

Something in me says that this isn't right, because I'm fairly certain I've saved games right before a battle and then loaded during an ai turn.

@basileus

Perhaps you should try uploading the file again. It's possible that it was corrupted somehow.

And your picture looks fine to me....no worries.

Ohhh, now I see, you mean the white border.

Just go into gimp (if you've downloaded it), and choose the crop tool. I'm fairly certain you can crop in paint as well. Hell, if I remember correctly, you can even crop in windows picture viewer.

I just noticed that you have a version which isn't english....could this have anything to do with save-game incompatibilites? I'm uncertain, but hope someone who has experience with these issues might chime in.

Sassem

09-14-2007, 23:03

Problem solved:2thumbsup:

Sassem

09-14-2007, 23:18

I just noticed that you have a version which isn't english....could this have anything to do with save-game incompatibilites? I'm uncertain, but hope someone who has experience with these issues might chime in.

How can you see that on a save file???:oops: I noticed it's german text in the picture

But that should be weird because he could use the english save

Bootsiuv

09-14-2007, 23:22

No, no, no, friend.

I saw it on his screenshot. It looks german, although I could be way off.

Sassem

09-14-2007, 23:48

I will be offline for 24 hours so good luck

ps maybe it's al so less confusing if we give the save games year numbers like KH266BC.sav or something like that

Spoofa

09-14-2007, 23:52

-guna reserve this for my amazing battle report- coming soon!

Basileus Seleukeia

09-15-2007, 11:46

I reuploaded the Savegame: http://hosted.filefront.com/Seleukeia/
I hope this one works. It must be some kind of wierd probloem, as I too remember loading saves that where made during the AIs turn.

Tellos Athenaios

09-15-2007, 12:16

I just read some players seem to have problems with de-installing RTW: AFAIK these problems are caused by patching. This irrevocably inexplicably confuses the RTW installer; so it won't be able to uninstall by itself.

But there's a more powerful work-around; which I adressed in the EB install guide. Note that this way of uninstalling will also remove any save games you may have located in your RTW copy which is to be uninstalled. (Therefore I suggest you keep a back up of the latest save-game somewhere outside the RTW folder at all times...)

Sassem

09-15-2007, 17:37

I reuploaded the Savegame: http://hosted.filefront.com/Seleukeia/
I hope this one works. It must be some kind of wierd probloem, as I too remember loading saves that where made during the AIs turn.

Better this one works but somebody has to fight a tough battle there

Spoofa

09-15-2007, 17:40

I already fought the battle yesterday night and kicked some arse... :laugh4:

I was just too tired to write up the AAR for it, which ill prly do today.

Sassem

09-15-2007, 17:59

Great ,

I have a Q for Spoofa the RP_modeV1.1.rar

is in your script right or do I have to add that one to

I'm pretty sure you will say yeh

maar wil het gewoon ff checkuh

Bootsiuv

09-15-2007, 18:34

I already fought the battle yesterday night and kicked some arse... :laugh4:

I was just too tired to write up the AAR for it, which ill prly do today.

Good shit.:2thumbsup: :smash:

@sassem

To answer your question, yes....that was the reason why we decided to use spoofa's script, because he had combined city mod and rp ver 1.1 into one script (with his own minor modifications if I recall correctly, but he could fill you in more on those), and, after determining that install order could affect what exactly your script was going to look like, it was better to use one player's script, so everyone was playing with the same thing.:yes:

@tellos athenios

Thanks for your help. It is greatly appreciated.

Sassem

09-15-2007, 19:41

Is this the game situation right now summer 266BC ???

Areus Eurypontidos Lakadamonios------------>Bootsiuv
Akrotates Eurypontidos Lakedamonios-------->Spoofa
Chremonides Aithalidos Attika---------------->EasternScourge
Euginios Rhodios (12years old)--------------->Kukulza
Epeius Halikarnassios------------------------->Basileus Seleukeia
Doros Aithalidos Attikos---------------------->Bobolicious
Nikanor Aithalidos Attikos (8years old)------>Nikolaus
Bolon Rhodios (3 years old)------------------>Sassem?????
Next born------------------------------------->Glenn????

In Game

Waiting to get old enough (or play a adopted general)

Waiting for his daddy to do his job properly:laugh4:

And off course the people without a character that is old enough are aloud to play captains battles right? answer is Captians battles are played out by the hegemon, regardlesss if he has a character in-game or not.

Bootsiuv

09-15-2007, 21:23

Wow, that's very helpful. I was going to do something similiar, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

Captians battles are played out by the hegemon, regardlesss if he has a character in-game or not.

Thanks sassem....that's some good organization there. :2thumbsup:

Nikolaus

09-15-2007, 21:37

haha my characters name is almost the same as my forums name. 8 years old, still some time unitl im in game then'

KuKulzA

09-16-2007, 03:22

glad it's all going well, and good organization Sassem

(and just lettin' ya'll know I'm still around albeit busy, therefore quiet)

Spoofa

09-16-2007, 04:46

I just played 9 hours straight of EB, so im extremely burned out (played a casse campaign today, 272BC-220 BCE pretty fun if i do say so myself)

so im going to post the save and ill make the AAR tomarrow sometime, lol. sorry i keep procrastinating this.

http://files.filefront.com/KHmidaisav/;8565884;/fileinfo.html

Sassem

09-16-2007, 09:18

To the Council of the Koinon Hellenon,

I'm afraid that I have to report that Spoofa likely played the wrong battle save file he played mine Dummy save that I uploaded for problem solving with @Basileus Seleukeia broken save this was and couldn't be the proper save I PM him but I think he will sleep tight for quite a while after a exhausting EB marathon of 9 hours Sorry guys to mesh up things bad here is a part of what i PM to Spoofa

but i think you played the wrong battle you played my midai ( this was a try out (dummy save ) battle instead of you can see that by looking at the building status of korinthos and sparte my dummy save had no buildings in progress as the last save from @basileus

:embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed: :embarassed:

My suggestion is please give the save games different names like KH266 or KH250winter etc.

Otherwise you can't check it if you have the proper save especially later in the game and neither can you fall back to backup if you have only KH saves

That are my :2cents:

But again SORRY

Spoofa

09-16-2007, 15:38

have you tried it?

Sassem

09-16-2007, 15:56

have you tried it?

the file you uploaded after you played your battle showed that there were no buildings in progress in sparte-->market and in korinthos--->sewers and the name was KHmidai.save so you likely played mine KHmidai.save that was supposed to be a test file because the first upload from @Basileus Seleukeia was corrupted the second one a few post up was ok again wich have the normal name KH.save and in that one there buildings in progress in sparte and korinthos

Bootsiuv

09-16-2007, 16:36

I wouldn't worry too much about it....how long does it take to play an EB battle? 20 minutes?

Spoofa, you'll win again, so I wouldn't give it too much thought, but I do agree that we should save the files under their year...perhaps the word "official" would also help avoid any future confusion.

When Spoofa wakes up after his exhausting casse campaign, I'm sure he won't mind to play the real battle. :2thumbsup:

Spoofa

09-16-2007, 18:28

http://files.filefront.com/KHsav/;8570117;/fileinfo.html

okay there it is.

... lol this battle has been a pain in the arse, I played it today and it CTD after i won. so i had to do it AGAIN. so ive played the same battle 3 times. lol

oh well. :laugh4:

Sassem

09-16-2007, 18:50

Yes I played the battle also for fun and training a couple of times and it crashed after the screen that ask you to occupy slave or exterminate
I don't no anyone else has this maybe it's have something to do with the autosave file created before the ai turns

happy to see that yours is ok Spoofa

Sassem

09-16-2007, 21:25

Hi,

Finally I had one game without a CTD after a battle and guess what

I didn't take the city either just like Spoofa's end of battle I think it will crash only after the battle when you actually take the city cause the script is not yet activated

So I advice save your game before every ai turn

Name it like KH266winter, KH266summer, KH266spring or KH266fall depends on the season when this turn is

And when you are attacked mid turn post this save so the people who had to play the battle can activate the script

I think this only applies with besieged cities involved in other saves it should hopefully ok

The only thing is the player who has to play the battle have to do some times make diplomatic decisions in the ai turn and have the reports like buddings and units created and those will not show up when you reload the played save game but thats not a big problem because the system we use now has the same disadvantage

is this a good idea or is it to complicated

Bootsiuv

09-20-2007, 04:34

Sassem, I think your idea of saving every turn so we can avoid a mid-ai turn CtD is a good idea, and not overly complicated.

Spoofa, have you posted the save so Basileus can continue?

Spoofa

09-20-2007, 04:38

yeah its like 3 posts above me

Basileus Seleukeia

09-20-2007, 15:17

Looks like the Makedonians are becoming desperate, they send another army to break the siege:http://files.filefront.com/KH266Summersav/;8599843;/fileinfo.html
This one is during the KH turn, so you can activate the script.

Spoofa

09-21-2007, 02:21

I'm on it

Bobolicious

09-21-2007, 03:21

Im sorry guys, but im not going to be able to continue, I just dont have enough time to devote to this anymore. Between school, work, and a girl, I just cant find a spare hour or two to play EB anymore. I know I havn't done much so my absence wont be felt, but im still sorry I couldn't at least have one go at it. Ill still follow the thread and might post occasionally if its ok with you guys though...

Bootsiuv

09-21-2007, 05:46

Sorry to hear that, but it's entirely understandable.

Your welcome back anytime.

:2thumbsup:

Bobolicious

09-22-2007, 04:44

Thanks bootsiuv, while I didnt do much, i enjoyed being a part of it. I hope you guys get it running smoothly.

madmatg

09-22-2007, 18:18

if yall want a replacement for they call me mighty, or a new family member i would love to join in if yall have room

Sassem

09-24-2007, 17:28

Battle report or any reports please or is every general killed by the forrest fires

:help: :inquisitive:

Spoofa

09-25-2007, 02:29

im going to play the battle tomarrow, sorry, i've been too tired to really get to it, my vigor has left me for now =P

Basileus Seleukeia

09-25-2007, 13:54

No problem, Spoofa. We all have other things to do than just playing EB:laugh4:

Vred var VingTor

09-25-2007, 17:58

No problem, Spoofa. We all have other things to do than just playing EB:laugh4:
You perhaps, but us lurkers don't :)

Spoofa

09-26-2007, 01:48

http://files.filefront.com/KH266Summersav/;8641961;/fileinfo.html

There is the save, im going to write the report today since I am in the mood for some role playing tonight :laugh4:

Spoofa

09-26-2007, 02:20

"Today, I have won a great Victory in the north, against the Makedonian kingdom, We have defeated their main field army in the area called Thessaly, A land of stout horses and A strong tradition of Horsemanship, they shall provide us with one of the greatest sources of Horses and Horsemen in the known world, and I also have a new idea to present to the council, but first, the report of my northern campaign.

I arranged my army in the Typical formation, line of Hoplitai, with the semi-professional Hoplitai on the right wing, along with my spartans, peltastai and Sphendonistai infront, and Hippiesakontistai along with the Ekdromoi Hoplitai infront to provide support for the flanks.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-27-26-50.jpg

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-27-35-25.jpg

The battle started, and their Professional well equipped Phalangitai engaged my Hoplitai's.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-29-32-12.jpg

Due to a gap in their line I sent some of my spartans to flank the enemies armies.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-30-13-90.jpg

After a few minutes they realized their peril, and fled before our wrath.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-30-43-70.jpg

During this time the Hippiesakontistai had engaged the enemy cavalry and chased and killed the enemy general and Garrison commander of Demetrias.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-37-33-57.jpg

His body was taken to Pella by my orders and given to the Makedonian king, mutilation of the body by my soldiers was forbidden under penalty of death.

The enemy Pezhetairoi had rallied and charged again, but this time my men fully overwhelmed them, and chaotic melee took place.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-39-23-31.jpg

The Hippiesakontistai had circled around the battle line and charged into their flanks, surrounding them and causing them to fight to the death.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-39-48-85.jpg

The rest of his army fled and were slaughtered as they ran, cowards deserve cowardly deaths.

The day was ours.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-44-15-48.jpg

I have taken control of Demetrias and await your instruction on my next move.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-45-18-37.jpg

Now, Finally fellow Councilmen, There is a matter of great importance.

To the field of battle Philippos had brought with him some soldiers that were equipped with state of the art equipment and trained in an effective manner that would greatly aide our style of battle and give us some properly equipped soldiers to aide the Hoplitai in battle.

I hear they are called Thureophoroi.

https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/MastaSpoofa/KH%20AAR%20number%202/RomeTW-BI2007-09-2519-42-01-57.jpg

They are equipped with a strong bronze helmet, similar in style to the Hoplitai Hoploi helmet, giving them ample visibility and hearing ability, but also allowing an extremely large amount of protection for the neck and sides of the face.

They of course, use a long spear similar to the Hoplitai Hoploi as well, but their shields are shaped as Almonds, allowing protection of the lower body as well as the upper body, a new design to say the least.

They use a Linthorax Curiass which grants a high degree of protection, more so then the leather our Ekdromoi Hoplitai use, and Finally, two bronze greaves, one on each foot allowing protection for the legs that the shield does not protect, very important in the rigours of hand to hand combat.

This troop design seems very effective, and they had a large impact upon the battlefield, I recommend the use of this new design as soon as possible, with the approval of the Council of course."

EasternScourge

09-26-2007, 02:50

Chremonides stands to speak,applausing.

"Another fine job my Spartan friend.With the capture of Demetrias the Macedon threat is diminished even further.Soon their dominance of Hellas will be a thing of the past, and true Greeks shall rule once again.I suggest that we spend a season or two to retrain and regroup before we head to Pella,the heartland of Macedon.

As for the adoption of Thureophori,my lack of military experience makes me no expert in the decision.However,anything that can bring us an advantage is supported by me.

Finally,there lies the important question of who's sphere of control Demetrias shall fall under. While a Spartan captured it, I believe that its close proximity to Athens makes it under ours.Besides, giving it to Spartan control would split their countries lands,something not wise to do."

*Added the last part since Bootsiuv and me were discussing a while back ideas for a civil war system,and who controls what is important.Also,heres a list of that same subject.

Spartan Sphere-Sparte and Korinthos
Athenian Sphere- Athens and Chalkis
Rhodean Sphere-Rhodes
Undecided-Demetrias

madmatg

09-26-2007, 04:40

ill take it if you guys will RP me in as a local from demetrias, if not im having fun watching and will continue :D

PershsNhpios

09-26-2007, 12:21

I commend Madmatg, if you could see his experience with the military personality of the Koinon Hellenon, you would not doubt his efficiency as a general in your Council.
If you have not seen his actions in battle, then you must see his tellings in the Faction Progression thread, and the empire he has created - by himself, with the Koinon Hellenon, and how he has maintained it.

I do not doubt you will adopt Madmatg into your family in order to give full reign over the new extremity of your conquests, Demetrias.
However, once you have expanded your territories further, and so you will be in need of further nobility, and willing minds in the control of your states, then I am waiting to be adopted myself.

Sassem

09-26-2007, 20:42

Very nice battle you fought there Spoofa

I have a some ideas to I think the time has come to boost the economics
We have already saved 20k so we should lower the taxes population growth will increase

In some city's there is no or negative population growth what is bad I think

I propose to build in

Athenia ---- new barracks

Chalkis ---- Sewers

Rhodos ---- a bigger harbour or new farms

And I think its smart to build a fortress between the mountains of Thessalia and the sea and garrison it will a small and cheap unit so we will have some time when Macadonie will make a counter attack when our troops will be refit in Athenia

@madmatg:Off course your welcome we still have a short list of family members soon as there is a new born you will be added to the list a on post #205

madmatg

09-26-2007, 22:03

woohoo i shall await my birth with trepedation hehe

Spoofa

09-26-2007, 23:29

I guess I should spend some time with my wife in our tent while not on the march if u catch my meaning... :laugh4:

madmatg

09-27-2007, 05:06

hehe itll be strange having a father on the forums

Bootsiuv

09-27-2007, 18:01

Good work, spoofa.

madmatg, as Sassem said, you're welcome to join....you can take place in debates and things of this nature before you even have a character, so feel free.

Is Basileus turn ended? I think I might be up next, but I'm not 100% sure.

madmatg

09-27-2007, 18:05

ill wait until i come of age to begin pestering the forums with my southern drawl

Bootsiuv

09-29-2007, 18:22

Soooo....Basileus, shall we conclude your term?

Bootsiuv

10-01-2007, 18:14

Basileus, I feel like I'll be forced to take over if we can't start to move this along soon.

I'll give you 24 hours, I just don't want this thing to die on the vine.

If no response is recieved by then, I'll have to take the save over. We've been on your term for something like 2 weeks now guy, and I understand they're was quite a bit of save-swapping for battles going on, but its still moving far too slowly.

Bootsiuv

10-02-2007, 18:48

Due to lack of participation, I feel the need to confiscate Basileus term.

Sorry, guy, but I just couldn't wait any longer. I still encourage you to remain in the game, and hope there is no hard feelings....I'm just trying to keep this thing form dying completely.

So, I'll go over the save this evening, and any questions/concerns I have for the council will be submitted before I begin my term....

Sassem

10-02-2007, 19:15

please take note of post #230 (recruitment) and post #234 (buildings and taxes) thank you:beam:

Bootsiuv

10-04-2007, 01:43

Sorry guys, but real life has taken a little more of my time this week than I would like.

I have looked the save over, and may have a few resoulutions for the council. I don't have much time right this minute, but I should have more free time later tonite, and hopefully we can actually move this along.

Stay tuned...

KuKulzA

10-04-2007, 23:01

sounds good, tuned I shall stay
now that I'm back and ready to play

Bootsiuv

10-05-2007, 10:16

Ok, let's organize things here, for the sake of my sanity...

Hmmmm....:book:

Ok, a comprehensive list of all of our governors follows...

Areus Eurypontidos Lakedaimonios (Bootsiuv), Governor of Sparte

https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z118/Bootsiuv_2007/Areus266aut.jpg

Akrotatos Eurypontidos Lakedaimonios (Spoofa), Governor of Demetrias

https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z118/Bootsiuv_2007/Akrotatos266aut.jpg

Chremonides Aithalidos Attikos (EasternScourge), Governor of Athenai

https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z118/Bootsiuv_2007/Chremonides266aut.jpg

Doros Aithalidos Attikos (Nikolaus), Governor of Chalkis

https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z118/Bootsiuv_2007/Doros266aut.jpg

Epeius Halikarnassios (Basileus Seleukeia), Governor of Korinthos

https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z118/Bootsiuv_2007/Epeius266aut.jpg

Still waiting for an in-game character:

Sassem
Glenn
madmatg
KuKulzA*

I ask that all players "sign in" within 48 hours, so we can determine who exactly is still in this, and if any characters need to be moved.

*If I've forgotten anyone or made any errors, please don't hesitate to let me know. As always, new players are encouraged to join at any time.

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We currently have over 22000 mnai in our treasury(Basileus Seleukeia left us in a good way), and I have determined that we can gain over 3000 mnai by selling unnecessary materials from the old Makedonian Administration and Military-Industrial Complex in Demetrias.

Our army is quite delapidated, with most units at 25% - 50% strength. I recommend we consolidate our position and make buiding the next level of factional MIC in Athenai our top priority. This MIC will take 2 years, 3 months to construct, so the building won't be finished until the next hegemons term. This is why we must lay the foundations in the first days of my term.

It will give us access to some excellent troops....

https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z118/Bootsiuv_2007/EphebeiakaiSkeuotheke.jpg

Amongst the most exciting are the Thureophoroi...

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/koinon-hellenon/kh_thureophoroi.gif

...and a new hoplite which draws inspiration from our Makedonian Oppressors to the North, these troops are named after the General who perfected them, Iphikrates, and are known as the Iphikratous Hoplitai...

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/koinon-hellenon/kh_iphikratous_hoplitai.gif

In the meantime, we should send a few divisions at a time back to Athenai to be refitted and reinforced. New divisions from other cities can and will be recruited.

I will try to limit my recruiting in Sparte, and also plan on turning the taxes to low (if they aren't already), to promote growth and lay the foundation for future divisions of Spartiatai.

My 2nd priority will be building the necessary infrastructure to supply our armies with the Hippeis Thessalonikas which will give us access to a much needed heavy cavalry wing.

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/makedonia/mak_hippeis_thessalikoi.gif

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I assume few, if any, offensive battles will take place during my term, as our combined field army is something like less than 50% of it's full strength.

We will hold the line at Demetrias, and I will bring up additional units of Hoplitai Haploi/Akontistai/Ekdremoi Hoplatai to strengthen our defenses.

I plan on setting up my successor to take the war to Makedonia Proper, where we will crush their skulls on our Hoplons. :smash:

Thoughts, criticism, and general comments are encouraged from anyone, not just those playing the game.

To those who are playing along, please remember to chime into this thread and let me know that you're still active.

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Some general information for newer members of the council....

We are playing with R:TW v. 1.5 with EB v. 0.81a V2 (also known as v. 0.82)

We are using a script provided by Spoofa which can be found at http://files.filefront.com/City+mod+v21ai+mod+rolepnrar/;8345813;;/fileinfo.html (This is a slightly modified script which incorporates City Mod (Thanks to MarcusAureliusAntoninus) and AI Balancing Mod(Thanks to Redmeth and mlp071).

We are using the Formation Mod which can be found at https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=86904 (another thanks to mlp071 for updating Darth's fantastic formations for EB).

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I'll give 48 hours for people to check in, and partake in any discussions/debates, then I'll begin my term.

Long live the Koinon.:smash: