The proper way to get tazed...

[Devastatin Dave]

LOL!!!
This is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Here's a move-on, Daily Kos type kooks at a John Kerry "open forum" when he takes over a mic and won't shutup.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE&mode=related&search=
Here is he is somewhat afterwards...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ec_1190097717&p=1
I'll give Kommie Kerry credit herre, he said that he was going to ask his lib nut buddy's question or multitude of nutty questions. I've noticed a bit of a trend where these left to center youngsters tend to not know proper questions and behaviour in these situations. Is this normal?

Man, what a whiney little :daisy:. "The government's going to kill me!!!" This guy is better than the Britney Spears alternate lifestyle dude... LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!:laugh4:

Now to the discussion. There is so much to discuss and I can't wait to hear your opinions.:yes:

[CrossLOPER]

Yeah, he acted like a :daisy: alright.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The police were to quick with physical restraint, and like just about all police, to quick with the tazer.

Asking stupid questions shouldn't get you tasered.

Crazed Rabbit

[Ice]

The police were to quick with physical restraint, and like just about all police, to quick with the tazer.

Asking stupid questions shouldn't get you tasered.

Crazed Rabbit

No, but acting like a :daisy: and not listening to the campus security when they tell you to will get you tazered. They even told him to lay on his back or they were going to tazar him.

This kid is just an attention :daisy:.

[RoadKill]

I thought the US were democratic? And they dont even allow free speech? :inquisitive:
Is it just me or am I just disgusted about this.

[Boyar Son]

Well sometimes protesters like these gets boring.

I doubt anybody actualy will remember what this moron said.

[Ice]

I thought the US were democratic? And they dont even allow free speech? :inquisitive:
Is it just me or am I just disgusted about this.

What do you mean?

The guy was allowed to talk (which isn't shown in the YouTube clip), but he wouldn't step down when his time expired and he was asked nicely.

[Lemur]

And they dont even allow free speech?:inquisitive:
You're allowed plenty of free speech in the U.S.A. But when a police officer asks you to put your hands behind your back, you put your hands behind your back. Complying with the lawful demands of a policeman is expected.

That said, they played right into this little strumpet's hands when they tazered him. " 'Elp, 'elp, I'm being repressed! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI)

[Goofball]

I'm with you on this one CR.

The taser was completely unnecessary.

All this kid did was ask some questions at an open political forum. Questions that Kerry even was willing to answer (he was heard saying something to the effect of "No, it's okay, I'll answer his question").

And for that he was held down by six police officers and tortured.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's pretty funny.

The security guards need to be able to escort someone who is acting disorderly out of the building. Tazers are entirely acceptable at the point they were used.

[RoadKill]

Exactly, the kid wanted his question answered. Then he should have well damn answered it. I don't know if I'm just in a bad mood, but the tazing a kid part was just totally unecessary. The police was treating that citizen as if he was a criminal, like seriously tazing a freak'n kid because he wouldn't get off the stage? Like come on.

[Ice]

And for that he was held down by six police officers and tortured.


Oh, this gets a big ~:rolleyes:

Tortured? The only reason that happened was because the kid was acting like a moron and screaming while resisting arrest (I don't even think they were arresting him) to get attention.

I hardly consider a tazer torture.

[Boyar Son]

hm, after thinking about it,

this guy asked questions, not scream out "liar" like other fools do. I agree that the police shouldnt have arrested him, for asking his questions.

[RoadKill]

Trust me, tazing hurts more then you think.

[Ronin]

what?...and the police officer didn´t pull out his .44 magnum and blow 2 large holes in the suspect while asking him if he´ll make his day?

tasers!!!..pfff.....limp-wristed commy-pansy campus police :laugh4:

[Goofball]

Oh, this gets a big ~:rolleyes:

Tortured? The only reason that happened was because the kid was acting like a moron and screaming while resisting arrest (I don't even think they were arresting him) to get attention.

I hardly consider a tazer torture.

Sorry, what would you call being held down and having 50,000 volts of electricity passed through your body?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm with you on this one CR.

The taser was completely unnecessary.

All this kid did was ask some questions at an open political forum. Questions that Kerry even was willing to answer (he was heard saying something to the effect of "No, it's okay, I'll answer his question").

No he wasn't. He was ranting and disturbing the meeting. Town hall meetings are useless if you allow anyone to stand up and going on long tirades.


And for that he was held down by six police officers and tortured.

The held him down for about a minute before tazing him and warned him that they were going to taze him if he didn't leave the building. Getting tazered was entirely his own choice. He refused to leave before hand.

I can't believe people are taking his side on this one...lots of colleges have crazy political groups that will try and disturb meetings...he probably planned on being thrown out and making a scene.

edit: watched the video with the full speech of his: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U4NU&mode=related&search=

[Ice]

Sorry, what would you call being held down and having 50,000 volts of electricity passed through your body?

A electrical shock from a tazer?

[Papewaio]

If the guy has mental issues or making a joke... isn't that an overuse of force?

Surely if all he's done is ask questions beyond his time limit that is not a reason to arrest someone.

Neither free nor brave, particularly the muppets watching on like sheep. I would not be proud to be associated with that lot.

Things like this show a paradox:
The passivity with which some of you guys expect to obey authority ...
While at the same time having a constitution that says 'Guys be armed so that you can tell authority where to shove it'.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I thought the US were democratic? And they dont even allow free speech? :inquisitive:
Is it just me or am I just disgusted about this.

Everybody has a right to speak at the meetings...that's the point, this guy kept yelling and asking questions, he was preventing other people from speaking. He's the least democratic person there.

He didn't even want to let Kerry answer his questions.


Surely if all he's done is ask questions beyond his time limit that is not a reason to arrest someone.

He wasn't arrested for that. The grabbed his arms to pull him out and he started yelling about being arrested. He was arrested for the giant scene he created afterwards.

[Boyar Son]

I dont think he interupted. Did he?

[RoadKill]

Exactly what my point is, if wasn't going towards the election dude and pointing a knife at him, do you seriously need freak'n 5 officers ontop of him, screaming at him, hurting him, and even result to tazing. Arresting someone because he refused to leave without his question being answered. I thought the US would do anything, like sacraficing lives to find freedom, while they can't even complete such a simple task in their own soceity.

I'm not flaming Americans here, but like thats just disturbing.

[Papewaio]

He wasn't arrested for that. The grabbed his arms to pull him out and he started yelling about being arrested. He was arrested for the giant scene he created afterwards.

Isn't touching someone without their consent assault?

Surely assault is a bit harsh for someone asking questions?

Surely free speech should be protected?

If they guy had physically stopped another person from using the mike, pushed them away or made threats then I can see cops stepping in.

I think it is overzealous if the guy is asking more questions (be they conspiracy theory or legit).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If they guy had physically stopped another person from using the mike, pushed them away or made threats then I can see cops stepping in.

I think it is overzealous if the guy is asking more questions (be they conspiracy theory or legit).



I was just at a conference where John Kerry was the speaker. During the Q&A section, a hyperactive young man grabbed the microphone while someone else was asking a question, proclaiming that he would like to ask a question. The leader of the conference just announced 5 minutes before that the current person asking a question was to be the last person to ask a question. The hyperactive young man was being forced by the police to leave the building. During this dramatized event, John Kerry said to the security to let him ask the question, but first let him finish with the current one being asked. The police respected John Kerry’s request but stood very closely to the young man.

From a firsthand account on facebook.


Isn't touching someone without their consent assault?

No...


Exactly what my point is, if wasn't going towards the election dude and pointing a knife at him, do you seriously need freak'n 5 officers ontop of him, screaming at him, hurting him, and even result to tazing. Arresting someone because he refused to leave without his question being answered. I thought the US would do anything, like sacraficing lives to find freedom, while they can't even complete such a simple task in their own soceity.

I'm not flaming Americans here, but like thats just disturbing.

How do you know he didn't have a knife? Police are trained to do that for a reason.

[Devastatin Dave]

Sorry, what would you call being held down and having 50,000 volts of electricity passed through your body?
My usual Friday night at the local truck stop...:yes:

[RoadKill]

Sasaki, touching anyone without permission, is considered assult. It is only not considered assult if the person has commited some type of illegal crime, and then the police are allowed to do it.

If taking a mic as you say, caused him to be arrested and tazed, then wow, he would probally be shot if he actually stole something. ( I unno about the US, but I'm pretty sure the cops arn't allowed to randomly shoot people, or even taze them in Canada)

[Xiahou]

I'm leaning towards the "he got what he deserved" camp on this one. The kid was an attention whore and he ignored repeated requests to leave and continued to resist and struggle when they tried to make him leave forcibly. I don't feel any sympathy towards him.

On the other hand, police in general seem a bit quick to use "non-lethal" weapons whenever someone resists arrest, imo. Yeah, he was struggling and making a scene, but he wasn't posing a threat to anyone- was the tazer absolutely necessary, or just more convenient?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki, touching anyone without permission, is considered assult. It is only not considered assult if the person has commited some type of illegal crime, and then the police are allowed to do it.

If taking a mic as you say, caused him to be arrested and tazed, then wow, he would probally be shot if he actually stole something. ( I unno about the US, but I'm pretty sure the cops arn't allowed to randomly shoot people, or even taze them in Canada)

This is simply not true. Touching someone without permission is in no way assault. Violence or intent to harm is required. I can't believe two people have said this. Do the police and bouncers where your from use jedi mind tricks to get people to leave? Hypnosis maybe?


One of the many videos circulating of a University of Florida student being Tasered by police was shot with the student's own camera.
Continue to 2nd paragraph

Clarissa Jessup, who was standing near Adam Meyer just before UF Police took him into custody during U.S. Sen. John Kerry's speech at UF, said Meyer asked her to film him asking Kerry a question just before he approached the microphone.

Funny.


On the other hand, police in general seem a bit quick to use "non-lethal" weapons whenever someone resists arrest, imo. Yeah, he was struggling and making a scene, but he wasn't posing a threat to anyone- was the tazer absolutely necessary, or just more convenient?

Not entirely sure here, but the point of tazering is to prevent injury to both officers and the person being arrested...bodily carrying him out may have resulted in both pain and injury.

[Crazed Rabbit]

What reason did the police have to use force to remove him from the building?

I'm talking about when they grabbed him and started hauling him out after he stopped talking. How was that called for? They were to quick to use force. Now, resisting any normal person who's dragging you about is normal. But if you do such a thing to police who have don't have a good reason suddenly you're a criminal.


Yeah, he was struggling and making a scene, but he wasn't posing a threat to anyone- was the tazer absolutely necessary, or just more convenient?

Exactly. It was a convenience thing - make him feel lots of pain until he complies.

The thing is, the police can use force against you when it isn't warranted, but if you should resist -even nonviolently- then suddenly the police get the nod to use even more force against you.

Yeah, he was loud - so what?


Things like this show a paradox:
The passivity with which some of you guys expect to obey authority ...
While at the same time having a constitution that says 'Guys be armed so that you can tell authority where to shove it'.

Sadly, many Americans choose false security over freedom.



I hardly consider a tazer torture.

Yet something makes me think using tasers against POWs would be forbidden.

CR

[Husar]

I agree with CR and Goofball.

Yes, he should have stepped down though maybe not if Kerry wanted to answer his questions anyway.

No, he shouldn't have behaved as silly as that.

But no, the police shouldn't have tazered him either, looks like a typical case of police not using their "non-lethal weapons" correctly. There were five or six policemen around him and he wasn't even able to resist one or two of them so using a tazer was completely superfluous and just added to their comfort and their feeling of superiority.:thumbsdown:

They should have restrained him and carried him away, or just let Kerry answer his questions in the first place and resolved the whole thing without a tazer.

[Devastatin Dave]

Right or wrong, its still some funny ####!!!

[Papewaio]

Compare and contrast that to this event in Australia:

Chaser antics rate well in the cells (http://www.smh.com.au/news/tv--radio/chaser-antics-rate-well-in-the-cells/2007/09/16/1189881329350.html)


The Chaser boys may have the Police Commissioner threatening to throw the book at them, however some of their arresting officers were more star struck than stern.

Sources close to the production told me that after they were arrested for the infamous fake Canadian motorcade incident, the Chaser 11 were taken to Sydney Central police station where they certainly felt the long arm of the law - around their waists! A police officer posed in the cell with them for a photo and other officers asked for autographs.

The cheeky and completely arresting, or should that be arrested, executive producer of the show, Julian Morrow, confirmed the happy snaps took place."It's fair to say there were a few police on duty who watched the show," he said.

"We thought the way the police treated us was exceptional. I've had worse service in most restaurants in Sydney."

The 10 men and one woman involved in the stunt were put into a large cell but the door was left wide open. The mood was buoyant with one officer laughing that "it was a good dry run for when we have real criminals to deal with".

"They better be careful, Sydney Central police station might get a reputation as a good place to stay," Morrow quipped.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Asking stupid questions shouldn't get you tasered.

You've obviously never taught courses.

:devilish:

[Papewaio]

:drummer: :laugh4:

He'll be here all week folks.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The moment those police prevented the young man from hogging the mike, they were in for a brutality charge.

There are some who would consider anything aside from shutting off the mike to be uneccessary. There are probably some who would view that as an undue curtailment of his free speech.


I have mixed feelings about this. Tazering seems a little harsh, yet it was obviously a better choice then using their wands on the fellow. Was he likely to have suffered more harm from being picked up bodily by 4 or 5 officers and hauled out of the venue? I do not know.


Ultimately, creating a scene was likely to have been his real goal. If so, he was the only one to completely achieve his objective out of the whole group.

[Strike For The South]

wow. "there giving me to the goverment" NEWSFLASH: YOU AINT THAT IMPORTANT COLLEGE BOY

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Drive Stun

Some TASER devices, particularly those used by police departments, also have a "Drive Stun" capability, where the taser is held against the target without firing barbs and is intended to cause pain without incapacitating the target. TASER defines "Drive Stun" as "the process of using the EMD weapon as a pain compliance technique. This is done by activating the EMD and placing it against an individual’s body. This can be done without an air cartridge in place or after an air cartridge has been deployed.". [12]

A Las Vegas police document says "The Drive Stun causes significant localized pain in the area touched by the TASER but does not have a significant effect on the central nervous system. The Drive Stun does not incapacitate a subject but may assist in taking a subject into custody." [13]

It is also known as "Dry taseing" or "Drive taseing".

Interesting

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/09/18/offense.report.072274.pdf


On 09/17/07 at 1015 hours, I was working an overtime function at the University Auditorium
for Accent presents Senator John Kerry. There were approximately 350 plus people in
attendance. At approximately 1245 hrs., Ambassador Jett informed the audience that there
would be a question and answer session and that Senator Kerry would only be answering
about 6 questions, 3 on each side of the room where there were microphones set up. Senator
Kerry told Ambassador Jett that he might be able to answer a couple more, time permitting.
Senator Kerry was answering questions during the "question and answer stage" of his
presentation when the audience was told there would only be one question left to be answered.
After the question was answered, Senator Kerry stated the question and answer was over and
thanked the audience for asking their questions. The approximate number of people in line
asking questions was about 20, and Senator Kerry answered about 8 questions. All of the
people standing in line started to dissipate and either sat back down or started to leave.

As Senator Kerry was ending his speech, a man disrupted the senator by screaming, yelling,
and flailing his arms. The man moved his way down the aisle yelling, "Why don't you answer
my questions, I have been waiting and listening to you speak in circles for the last two hours."
"These officers are going to arrest me". I didn't see any officer directly next to him until I
noticed Officer Wise walking down trying to get his attention. The man was screaming and
yelling obscenities until Senator Kerry told him to calm down and that he would take his
question, but he needed to calm down. At that point, the man stated, "You will take my
question because I have been listening to your crap for two hours". The man at that point
turned to his friend and said, "Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?" The man
was talking to a woman who was there to film him. Before asking the question, I had a chance
to ask the man if he was a student and he stated, "I don't have to tell you." I the asked him if
he knew the rules to the student code of conduct and he said, "What?" I informed the man
that after he asked Senator Kerry the question that I needed to talk to him outside. After
asking the question, the man would not let Senator Kerry finish his statement and kept
badgering the senator about his beliefs, talking about "blow jobs", and yelling as loud as he
could as to sensationalize his presence.

At that moment the Accent Director, Max Tyroler, asked us to take him out of the auditorium
and had his microphone turned off stating, "He had said enough." Officer Wise and I
grabbed both of the man's arms and asked him to come with us out of the auditorium to
speak with us. The man then lifted me up and pushed Officer Wise to avoid being taken into
custody. As he pushed and kicked Officer Wise, Sgt. King grabbed him and escorted him out
of the room, but the man pushed Sgt. King out of the way and was yelling and trying to get
back down the aisle. At this point Officer Sexton, Officer De Jesus, and Officer Lamb tried to
assist Officer Wise and Sgt King in getting a hold of the punching and kicking irate man
while Officer Dean, Officer Passero, and Officer Spurlin were present trying to assist. The
man continued to scream and yell as well as push, kick, and elbow the officers attempting to
take him into custody. After multiple attempts to tell him to stop resisting, the man said,
"No" and continued to push and elbow the officers. Only one handcuff was placed on the man
as he continued to punch his way out of the hold. The officers could not get a hold of his other

arm as he was kicking, punching, and elbowing into officers. After many attempts to get the
man to comply, he chose to continue actively resisting the officers. I obeyed the command
from Sgt. King to utilize the taser for the continuation of non-compliance by the man. One
contact tase to the man's left shoulder was deployed for the duration of its cycle. After the
cycle ended, the man was asked to comply and stop resisting and for a brief moment he did, at
which time he was placed in handcuffs. After he was lifted to his feet, he kept screaming and
yelling to let him go by continually pushing the officers. I read the man his Miranda rights
and explained why he was being placed under arrest. As the man was escorted down stairs
with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down
stairs he started screaming and yelling again. Some of the comments that the man made were
"You can't kill me.", "They are giving me to the government." and "They are going to kill
me."
The man was identified not only by the people there filming for him, but also by a business
card he had on him that had his picture on it. The card read, "TheANDREWMEYER.com
"Speak my mind." I asked him if he was Andrew Meyer and he said, "Yes, I am."

Meyer was transported to the Alachua County Detention Center by my myself and Officer
Vinson. Meyer stated he just wanted Senator Kerry to hear what he had to say and that he
was upset when he ended the questions without being heard. Meyer stated, on the way to the
jail, "I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do
your job." Meyer was laughing and being lighthearted in the car, his demeanor completely
changed once the cameras were not in sight. Meyer did ask, at one point, if the cameras were
going to be at the jail.
Meyer was charged with disturbing the peace (interfering with a school function) and
resisting with violence. A use of force report was filled out and Meyer was sent a Judicial
affairs form for his actions. None of the officers injured needed to seek medical attention and
the injuries sustained from this incident were digitally documented.


Just as I thought. People are being ridiculously irrational about this. But then anti-police prejudice is pretty common.

[Samurai Waki]

Guy got what he deserved. Just another attention grabbing whore. And from all I've seen on the Police Report, it seems that there wasn't anything unjust about the way the officer's treated him. Had he been struck in the face multiple times by a billy club I might say that it was overkill. Freedom of Speech May be Universal, but it can also be abused.

[HoreTore]

[QUOTE=Sasaki Kojiro]this guy kept yelling and asking questions, he was preventing other people from speaking./QUOTE]

And for THAT, you justify violence?

IMO, violence should only ever be used when the police feel threatened. it should never be used "just because he wouldn't listen".

A horrible abuse of power.

[Crazed Rabbit]

News on a police report:
http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS


GAINESVILLE - Police have released the incident report detailing the Tasering of a University of Florida student during a campus forum with Sen. John Kerry Monday, and the officer who actually Tasered Andrew Meyer wrote in the report that Meyer later told police, "You didn't do anything wrong."

In the 12-page report, which gives accounts of the incident from the perspective of eight different officers who were present Monday afternoon, Officer Nicole Mallo writes that Meyer would only resist officers when cameras were present.

"As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again," Mallo wrote.

Mallo was one of two officers who actually rode in the vehicle as Meyer was escorted to the Alachua County jail, and she said said he told them during the ride: "I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job," according to Mallo's account.

Mallo also wrote in her report that he asked, at one point, if cameras would be present at the jail.

The report details the events leading up to Meyer's arrest, saying that Meyer was in line to ask a question of Sen. Kerry when it was decided that no more questions would be allowed.

Meyer continued down the aisle toward Sen. Kerry angrily, according to police, saying he wanted the senator to answer his question because he had been waiting for two hours.

Though Sen. Kerry directed that Meyer be allowed to ask his question, police reported that Meyer did not ask any specific question and instead "badgered" the senator, and at one point said something about President Clinton being impeached over a sexual act.

At that point, police reported that ACCENT Director Max Tyroler turned off Meyer's microphone and asked police to escort him out of the auditorium, saying, "He had said enough," according to Officer Mallo's report.

Officers then proceeded to attempt to remove Meyer from the room, but when he resisted, they placed him on the ground and tried to handcuff him. The six officers who actually took part in holding Meyer down while he was being handcuffed reported that they were only able to get a handcuff on his right hand because he was squirming so much.

The supervising officer, Sgt. Eddie King, attempted to Taser Meyer on his chest, but he reported that his Taser would not deploy. He then instructed Mallo to Taser Meyer, and she Tasered him on his shoulder, according to one of the officer's report.

The officers were then able to fully handcuff Meyer and escort him from the building. Each of the six officers reported that Meyer yelled things like, "They're going to kill me," and, "They are giving me to the government," while he was being taken from the room.


If that's correct, than he got what he wanted. I will also temper my criticism of the police in this instance.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

this guy kept yelling and asking questions, he was preventing other people from speaking.

And for THAT, you justify violence?

IMO, violence should only ever be used when the police feel threatened. it should never be used "just because he wouldn't listen".

A horrible abuse of power.

The only violent person was the arrestee. The police weren't violent in the slightest.

ALSO:


"I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job,"

case closed

[HoreTore]

The only violent person was the arrestee. The police weren't violent in the slightest.

Using a tazer is deemed as using violence, yes.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Using a tazer is deemed as using violence, yes.

Is cutting someone with a knife or other sharp object violence?

[Samurai Waki]

Is jabbing and Punching at kicking at Police Officer's not considered violence in itself? Mind you, this was before the Tasering, and this Andrew Mayer had all the time in the world to calm the hell down.

[HoreTore]

Is jabbing and Punching at kicking at Police Officer's not considered violence in itself? Mind you, this was before the Tasering, and this Andrew Mayer had all the time in the world to calm the hell down.

Yes, but did the police feel threatened by it? I think not.


Is cutting someone with a knife or other sharp object violence?

Uh....yes?

When it comes to a state, things such as putting people in jail(robbing them of their freedom) is considered violence...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Is cutting someone with a knife or other sharp object violence?

Uh....yes?

Surgeons must be very violent people then.

[InsaneApache]

Jackie Stalones' plastic surgeon certainly is! :laugh4:

[Geoffrey S]

Violence? If the guy was behaving as depicted he would have been difficult to remove from the building without injury; using a tazer minimalized injury to the man or the officers, and I think using it was justified.

[Beirut]

( I dunno about the US, but I'm pretty sure the cops arn't allowed to randomly shoot people, or even taze them in Canada)

They are in Montreal, especially if you're black. (That's what the cops say, anyway.)

[Zaknafien]

Anyone who finds this funny or amusing is disgusting. This is an affront to democracy and civil liberties. The young man was merely asking a question which the politician refused to answer, which, incidentally was about how Kerry won the 2004 election and thousands of voters were defrauded.

The police resorting to violence to subdue him when he did nothing wrong is compeltely outrageous. You dont have to listen to a police officer if youre not doing anything wrong. He should sue the university for everything they're worth.

[Innocentius]

That's :furious3: horrible. Of course, the sadist in me consider this video funny in a way (like "cat gets caught in a fan"), but there's nothing that can justify the way the cops acted. Police brutality, and the guy wasn't even black! Yay!

[FactionHeir]

It seems some people aren't reading the updates but merely post 1 before commenting...

Anyway. Having read the reports, there is no doubt that he wanted to be arrested and cause a commotion to promote himself and his website (the link to which was posted in pretty much every news article I read about it). Considering he even asked another person to film him right before he went to stage and was completely calm/compliant when out of camera just proves this.

[Husar]

How about muscles? Almost all of the police officers looked a lot stronger than him, a tight grip and off he goes, the taser is just a new toy they like to use I guess, maybe I should get one and use it on my little sister when she doesn't comply with me.:inquisitive:

[FactionHeir]

Taser leaves no lasting injury. I can imagine being roughed up with "muscles" might, and would result in an even larger outcry.

[Sir Moody]

The police in the UK are allowed to use tazers (those that have them they are still being moved out) against suspects who are posing a physical threat to themselves or to the public.

If that police report is correct then they had every right to tazer him as he was physically resisting arrest

[KukriKhan]

...He should sue the university for everything they're worth.

Based on Sasaki's Arresting Officer's report, he'll probably win that. He was forcibly restrained and Tazed before he was Mirandized.

His intent of publicity is irrelevant.

IMO. (and IANAL).

[InsaneApache]

What does IANAL mean? :inquisitive:

It sounds disgusting! :laugh4:

[KukriKhan]

What does IANAL mean? :inquisitive:

It sounds disgusting! :laugh4:

= I Am Not A Lawyer (heehee).

[InsaneApache]

So EA is not IANAL ! Shame that. :laugh4:

[Xiahou]

Anyway. Having read the reports, there is no doubt that he wanted to be arrested and cause a commotion to promote himself and his website (the link to which was posted in pretty much every news article I read about it). Considering he even asked another person to film him right before he went to stage and was completely calm/compliant when out of camera just proves this.
:yes: And the little pain in the ass is probably going to get rich from this too.

I'm still not certain that it was necessary to tazer him, but I do certainly hope they throw the book at him and charge him with every applicable offense that they can. Disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, trespassing, possibly assault, ect.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Depends on your standard for the employment of force.

If you believe that police force is justified only if there exists a credible threat of grievous bodily harm (bumps, bruises, and/or a broken finger would not count) to the officers, suspect, or bystanders; then you may view this as unwarranted. You can make a credible argument that no serious physical harm was likely to occur.

If you believe that police force is justified whenever the threat of harm exists to officers, suspect, or bystanders, they you would probably condone this use of force here.


Police in the USA are allowed to use force to restrain a subject who resists arrest. They are supposed to be judicious in the amount of force used so as to minimize the potential of escalating violence and thereby increasing the risk to bystanders, suspect or themselves. Mirandizing a suspect is a necessary step prior to questioning that suspect, it is not required before an arrest is made. Police are expected to warn a suspect that violence will be used if the threatening behavior is not stopped.


All it will take to file a lawsuit on this matter is the required filing fee. Whether or not the case is tossed immediately or allowed to proceed will probably depend on the attitude of the judge. No appellate court will see anything "new" here that would require an appeals ruling.



Zak':

Voter fraud and voting mistakes occur in every election. For the most part, research indicates that it occurs at a fairly low percentage and, for the most part, about equally between both major parties. If you buy into the Kerry was robbed in 2004 scenario, you'd have to demonstrate that the fraud was both far more prevalent then believed AND far more unilateral in character.




All told, the only winner in this scenario is Mr. Meyer. "Mission Accomplished!"

[HoreTore]

Surgeons must be very violent people then.

If they start cutting up people "just because they wouldn't shut up", I'd say they're EXTREMELY violent.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

The police were to quick with physical restraint, and like just about all police, to quick with the tazer.

Asking stupid questions shouldn't get you tasered.

Crazed Rabbit


no,when you act like a stupid idoit, a baby who wants people to notice him, you get tazed. What is the ploblem. but no sense of me aruging this point with anyone since we have some "oh, that's wasn't right" people here.

[Ser Clegane]

but no sense of me aruging this point with anyone since we have some "oh, that's wasn't right" people here.

I think you misunderstand the very concept of debate and discussion. Actually there would be no real sense in argueing a point if everybody would already agree with you.

[Devastatin Dave]

I think you misunderstand the very concept of debate and discussion. Actually there would be no real sense in argueing a point if everybody would already agree with you.
**tazes Ser**:laugh4:

[Ser Clegane]

**tazes Ser**:laugh4:

That somehow reminds me of... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqICJ64bTWM) :beam:

[drone]

That somehow reminds me of... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqICJ64bTWM) :beam:
I was just going to post that. :laugh4:

That would be a great experiment for the Backroom! :yes:

[spmetla]

I think that they should have let 'ol dum dum keep speaking. But watching his reaction around cameras makes me suspect whether or not he intended to be treated like that or not, despite how silly that sounds.

Watch the liveleak video:
"There's people that know I'm here...you can't kill me" and later on "Oh my god you're giving me to the government...they're giving me to the government...can I have me camera please"
Then of course the give away would be his talking to the camera man, "you know who I am."

He only acted up when he could see a camera, as soon as the camera wasn't in plain sight to him he seems to calm down and do what they tell him to do.

All that aside, I don't think they needed to tazer him. Honestly I feel that when he was making a big fuss and trying to run away they should have just given him a firm elbow in the gut, though some would consider that brutality I don't.

Would have been better to just let him ask his conspiracy question instead of making him some sort of really lame martyr to our 'evil facist government controllers.'


http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/Grail_being_repressed_small.jpg Help Help I'm being repressed!

[Lemur]

I'm glad to see that a certain phrase is becoming a bit of an item (http://www.goodstorm.com/item/dropsoul/dont_tase_me_bro_dark_brown_black_or_olive_green_t_shirt_sweat_shop_free). And I seriously doubt the kid will see any of the money from this mini-craze ...


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/E69EA3EB_34BC24B5.jpg

[Lemur]

Even better, someone has worked up a proper music video for the incident.

Don't taze me, bro! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc)

[JimBob]

There was no violation of his free speech rights. Free speech can be controlled by content (rarely) and conduct (time, place, and manner). In places like state schools restrictions to conduct must be "viewpoint neutral and they have to be reasonably related to a legitimate government purpose."

He can't prove they did it because of his political beliefs. No (audible) mention was made of him being a "little commie puke", etc.

And because this is a state school the state's interests here are the school's interests. The school's interest is to have a productive educational environment. Listening to one guy rant and rave and take more time than he should makes the environment unproductive for the other students.

Once the kid resisted arrest he asked for trouble. "Don't taze me bro!" Well then, shut up.

[Ice]

Even better, someone has worked up a proper music video for the incident.

Don't taze me, bro! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc)

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