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PershsNhpios

10-19-2007, 04:46

Many flock to our Europa Barbarorum cult!

A new system of play is begun in this back alley of the forum.
As of this morning, and I am never present in the morning, there have been a pair of very new members appeal.
Brilliant! I applaud not only their willingness to add to our Senate, but also the clear sight that our game has brought recent posters of the forum into greater activity.

These members and others are now Senators.
However, I would like to hear from all of you, if there is a particular province of which you would prefer to be placed as an ambassador.
There is importance in this - if you were to be placed in Sicily, you will have the most influence, save the Shophet and GameMaster, as to what is constructed and what occurs in your Sicilian province.
Therefore, before we make things permament and too many members choose the same settlement, appeal here for which province you would want to join.
If possible, ask for that which you would be able to debate most accurately within.

Once we start the game, as soon as our treasury will allow, we will add you to that town in-game as a diplomat, and this way you will be a physical character in our world, with a true character name.

Scourge of the Eastern countries, you have been here and interested in Succession games before even I became involved, therefore I think it necessary that we study your position in being able to attend meetings.
Please try and use X-Fire, and if you are certain you cannot, we may be able to change our platform of discussion.
For my part, I thought MSN a better and more reliable podium.

In light of this, I ask ALL members to reply to me if you use MSN Messenger, or X-Fire the most, if you are more comfortable with one or the other, and to give me here in the correct way, both your MSN Email and your X-Fire accounts.

This way we can give the priority consideration, and adapt if necessary.

I will be online again two and a half hours from the posting of this, when I plan to meet Bootsiuv and discuss, hopefully, the finalisation of the in-game constitution.
Do not let the word by which I describe our rules, let it be thought that our legislations are either too complex or too restricting.
For the rules we have made are going to be enforced only by the GameMaster and perhaps the Shophet.
They are guidelines to these people on how the other players should be forming themselves in play, and all you will have to do to be in accordance with our rules, are simply follow instructions you will learn as we play.

You will, once we have the constitution, hardly need to read it, it will be posted as a referral for players who are unsure or who have queries, however, the main learning process for you as a new player will be to watch how our routine is played out, and mimic it in character.

I promise, and exert myself, to ensure it will be very simple in practice.

Spoofa

10-19-2007, 04:49

I use x-fire the most

EasternScourge

10-19-2007, 06:15

Alright,X-Fire is working again.A fresh installation was all it needed.Anyways,the name is EasternScourge.Yay,live discussions are a go for me.

theorykid

10-19-2007, 06:29

Alrighty...Xfire installed and appears to be working. Username: theorykid

:2thumbsup:

edit: I'll take some backwater province to start: I suspect Turdetania, in the city of
Gader will have a most pleasing climate, but I'll represent the people of anywhere.

Regarding MSN vs. Xfire, i have no preference, as I generally avoid it anyway. I have more
people on my 'ignore' list than my 'friends' list on MSN...

Sassem

10-19-2007, 06:34

X-fire:sassem

Bootsiuv

10-19-2007, 07:11

It would appear X-Fire will be the best platform for our discussions.

After downloading and using X-Fire for the first time, I am very pleased with its features and ease of use.

MSN also lack the ability to open a chatroom, and it is here where are senate meetings should take place, so all can see what each other have to say.

I have also taken it upon myself to assign players to senators, with Sassem's help. I feel we have covered all areas of the empire equally, and every part should have a fair say. The city of Kart-Hadast itself has 3 senators, as opposed to the other provinces 1. This is to represent the importance of the wealthy merchants and aristocracy in the city itself....and it would appear that the entire empire will have to oppose to stop the Capital from doing it's will, as it should be.

The Senator tags are finished, although they may be updated.

Note that you will only have to add the tag to your sig once, and it will update automatically from then on. This goes for governors as well. This will also update automatically every 10 game years (5 terms) to show the progression of governors and generals.

Bootsiuv

Bootsiuv

10-19-2007, 07:31

It would appear that the SSbQ Mini-Mod won't be done until tomorrow....downloading the above mod will still give you city mod and some others, but it doesn't address some of the issues discussed between myself and some of the other members, such as unbalanced prices for Baktrian Cataphracts.

These are minor issues, at best, however, so the above mod is still useful for those who would just like more resilient but less deadly eles (more HP, lower attack and lethality, etc.), a few minor stat changes such as raised armor values for some heavily armored units, and MAA's city mod. It also contains Darth's Formations converted to EB by mlp071. Anyone who desires these things are welcome to download it.

SSbQ succession game members should wait for the updated version....

Bootsiuv

Boru

10-19-2007, 08:14

It seems that many things have become accomplished, so i am just wondering how close to starting we are. Also thanks on getting that list out of players when i asked a day or two ago! Its looking great!

Bootsiuv

10-19-2007, 08:40

Heh, it would appear I should check my private messages more often...here is the updated files...

http://files.filefront.com/Citymod+W.../fileinfo.html

Ag3nt_Magnum

10-19-2007, 08:47

Bootsiuv

10-19-2007, 09:25

I have a rather simple question. If the features of these mods are cool (wich I believe they are until proven otherwise), why haven't they been included in the standard issue of EB 1.0 ?

1. MarcusAureliusAntoninus City Mod wasn't included because they don't want to put history on rails, so to speak. A simpler explanation is that they simply don't want it, but many (if not most) veteran players feel it is favorable. It also reduces growth bonuses in most buildings in EB. Many veteran players feel the growth in EB is a little on the high side, especially in the fertile areas of the world. This has been toned down somewhat, so there is less worry about rebellion in the mid-game.

2. The elephants were given 2 HP in 'vanilla EB 1.0'. This translates into them dieing rather quickly to skirmishers, their natural enemies. After testing some elephants in game, I did find them to be rather weak.

Therefore, we have decided to increase their hitpoints to 5. This was shown to allow the beasts to withstand some 4 volleys from skirmishers (on average) before routing. I think this is favorable.

Note that their attack rating and lethality stats have been reduced, so they kill fewer troops. This both compensates their raise in hitpoints, and makes them act in a more historical manner, breaking up formations and scaring men into disarray, so infantry and cavalry can flood in and take advantage of the disorganized state of the enemy.

3. The increase in cost for Baktrian Cataphracts. This may have been an oversight, as their only 2600 IIRC as of right now, and this is far too cheap. madmatg says he's spoken to members of the team and it should be 4900.

You have to remember that they've altered/added over 23000 files. There is bound to be a few oversights. This is unavoidable with such a large alteration. Thus, very often the fans take it upon themselves to seek out discrepencies and fix these themselves.

4. As a final note to justify our alterations, the team members are currently researching many of the things we have changed, and I feel fairly confident they'll draw the same conclusions that we have.

Also, senator of Alalia seems nice at first sight. But how do u get the senator avatar to appear alongside every post ?

Place this in your signature with the [IMG] tags around it.
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Avatar%20Senator/Ag3nt-Magnum.jpg

Bootsiuv

SpawnOfEbil

10-19-2007, 09:38

Will this mod be savegame compatible?

madmatg

10-19-2007, 09:52

edit on that post, the EB guys said that it looked like a mistake but did not say anything about what the price should be, i got the price for the unit cards that say the price should be about 4x the upkeep(so about 4600 for hetairoi cataphracts)

Malik of Sindh

10-19-2007, 12:25

I can't download the spoofa's mod.When i click the link it just goes to filefront home page.

pezhetairoi

10-19-2007, 14:28

I'm back, and will be back till Tuesday evening, then the net contactable time for me will be thursday evening...

Urgh, you spelled my name wrongly in the senatorial avatar. :( I'm not pezhetarioi... :( :(

But hooray! Is there some place where I can read a finalised constitution? I'm afraid I didn't have that much patience to plow through those reams of discussion. XD So when does the game start, and what do senators do again, in a nutshell?

Leão magno

10-19-2007, 14:46

I registered only in the hope I could join this great republic, I do not ask much more than the oportunity to kill and profit in the name of the Republic!

By the way, are there any military rank available or are we only alloewd to gov ranks? I would also enjoy seeing the constitution!

Poulp'

10-19-2007, 15:59

Hello everyone,
no, I'm not dead, yet.

I was busy defragmenting, installing a clean RTW and eventually, EB.
(things which require all my CPU ressources, and especially no internet in the meantime)

I'm ready to go, although that filesfront link doesn't lead me to Spoofa's mod.

Now, about Xfire, I've got a mic but no knowledge on how to use it
If somebody's got time, could you please help me ?

Bootsiuv

10-19-2007, 17:01

Hmmm....the link will be fixed. I apologize for any inconvenience.

@Pezhetairoi

That's my mistake. I'll let Sassem know....hopefully it's an easy fix.

As for the constitution, we're in the process of completing one. Unfortunately, Glenn was delayed yesterday evening, and we were unable to meet on X-Fire for discussions regarding the power of senators.

@Poulp'

Glad to see you're still alive. :beam:

We'll be starting soon, hopefully.

@Leao Magno

Welcome Aboard. We'll assign you a senator position straight away.

@Glenn

I apologize for being unavailable when you came online, but I usually fall asleep by 3 or so, and I waited for you until then.

Bootsiuv

Boru

10-19-2007, 17:08

To Poulp

With xfire when you start chatting with someone there will be a little green phone in the bottom left of the chat box. With ur mic plugged in just hit that button and you will essentially "call" that person. If they accept you two will be chatting. It can also be set up for conference chat, but i think we will be doing text for our meetings. Hope that helps!

Leão magno

10-19-2007, 18:20

Downloading x-fire then! and wating for the link to the mod

Ag3nt_Magnum

10-19-2007, 18:28

Ok, this seems really strange but the whole signature thing, for some reason or another, doesn't seem to work. I clik the "insert image" button. Ctrl-V the link u gave me with the senator avatar, click save settings, and then whatever I do, it just doesn't seem to want to stick. It just returnes to the previous setting.
Also, another somewhat odd question. If everyone who's a senator is gonna be a diplomat in-game, wouldn't it be better if we use (once we start the game and everything) the portait of our respective character and not the generic bearded phoenician.

Bootsiuv

10-19-2007, 19:10

Good points, Ag3nt Magnum. :yes:

I'll leave that up to Sassem, as he's in charge of the avatars, and he's also very busy creating some other things for our council thread, which should prove very helpful to other players.

As far as your sig goes....simply copying the image and inserting image won't work.

What you must do is right click your avatar, click on 'properies' (found all the way down at the bottom of the list), and copy the 'address (URL)' line. It will begin with 'http://blahblahblah (The actual address can be found in my previous post addressed to you).

Then, go into edit sig, paste the address into the edit sig box, then you must place [IMG] tags around the address. Note that the the second one has a /IMG inside the brackets. You may also want to look at the vB Code List (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/misc.php?do=bbcode), as this will also explain it (and many other useful features).

Once this is done, it should display properly. If your still having problems, please PM me (or X-Fire as bootsiuv).

Bootsiuv

Boru

10-19-2007, 19:29

I am also having problems but i talked to sassem about it. My error was can not use an external site for an image in sig. So what sassem told me today was that u have to be a higher member on the forums to be able to add a sig at all. With that being said we should just do some more posting, don't spam or will get in trouble, and everything will be good i hope.

Bootsiuv

10-19-2007, 20:08

Aaaah....I see.

Well...just post a lot, and you guys will be full members soon enough. :yes:

Not a huge deal right now.

Bootsiuv

Poulp'

10-19-2007, 21:12

okay...

The campaign is not loading, once I've selected the starting faction and pressed continue, the loading bar is not loading and eventually, it fades to a black screen, the music still playing in the background.

Right now, I'm tired, I still have a scenario to prepare for tomorrow's RPG (which probably will only be half complete, but my players tend to screw things up at the middle)

Back to square one, I'll restart everything again tomorrow evening or the day after.

So if I'm not responding that shall mean I'm busy installing

Malik of Sindh

10-19-2007, 22:47

Well,i still have the unupdated version of Spoofa's mod and when i start a campaing with anyone i can't enable the script.The link to updated version doesn't work for me.

Bootsiuv

10-19-2007, 22:51

Are you sure it just isn't taking a really long time?

How much RAM do you have? It takes a few minutes for it to load on my system, and turns are around 1 minute.

Bootsiuv

Spoofa

10-19-2007, 22:52

http://files.filefront.com/Citymod+With+Spoofs+Editrar/;8831781;/fileinfo.html

try this.

Sassem

10-19-2007, 22:59

The newest governor avatars and hopefully now with permanent links

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Diversen/SSbQembleemgrootkopie.jpg
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Avatar%20Governor/poulp.jpg

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Avatar%20Governor/madmatg.jpg

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Avatar%20Governor/kukulza.jpg

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Avatar%20Governor/glenn.jpg

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Avatar%20Governor/spoofa.jpg

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Avatar%20Governor/bootsiuv.jpg

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Avatar%20Governor/sassem.jpg

Malik of Sindh

10-19-2007, 23:03

I still don't have my senator sig,but don't worry,take your time.

Bootsiuv

10-19-2007, 23:19

It would appear that you won't be able to use your senator sig until your made a full member. You should be upgraded soon, and you could always go in the main hall and ask to be made a member....since your taking part in a succession game.

Malik of Sindh

10-19-2007, 23:28

when using spoofas mod,i can't enable the script.Show me how button is greyed out.When I exit game i get an error that says something similar to this:
Error in ebbs_script:
Cannot recognize monitor end_script

Wolfman

10-20-2007, 00:23

Can Anyone see my sig?

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 00:25

Yes,I see it.

PershsNhpios

10-20-2007, 00:56

Look at this!
The citizens of EB will be overcome by a conspiracy of Soft Sodium biQarbonate tags, and wonder with great apprehension, what does brood under the surface of the public!

I myself have not been able to play 1.0 yet, I am still downloading.
However, it will be installed by tomorrow morning, and then I can trouble myself with this mini-mod.
Therefore I can help with no technical questions, only those directed towards gameplay and rules.
I suggest then, that in order to make Spoofa marginally less bewildered by questions, and to help him be sure of which to answer, if you have a technical problem to do with the mini-mod, or other smaller issues as have been mentioned, send him a private message.
Please remember however, that he is not an EB developer, and so you should not irritate him with queries too complicated, the mini-mod is still being tested.

As for mistakes upon nametags, this is a small error, and not worthy of a general shout or groan!
Be more patient, as Sassem has taken on many numerous projects, some of which are unknown to me, in order to make our role-play more immersive.
Perhaps, Sassem, you could write here what some of these are, and then the players may be more respective of your efforts.

Leao Magno, you are ambitious, and for this do not let other senators become your enemies in future, but for this reason you may be a priority in becoming a governor, which will give you a chance to become a general.
The way you will become so, is by being active, thorough and useful in your proposals to the council as a senator of your province.
This will be noted by all, and then you will slowly become a good example of a governor, in this case, as soon as a new family member is born in game, the life of that future governor will be yours.

I think that either Bootsiuv, Spoofa or Sassem, as I have no game yet, should start a Carthaginian campaign, and take note of all young children in the beginning.
This way we can assign future governors to some senators before the game begins.

Bootsiuv, or exalted GameMaster, I will be more available today due to several injuries obtained by my legs.
And so I will, after taking care that my horses have lavishly enjoyed their breakfast, return here regularly to meet you on X-Fire.

Council members, I will take no rest today until the rules are completed!

Bootsiuv

10-20-2007, 00:57

lol...yes wolfman. I see it.

@ferengi man

Hmmm....did you create a back up? I should have mentioned that. If not tell me, and I'll send you the file that were overwritten.

As far as the mini-mod goes, I'll get Spoofa to correct any errors ASAP, and I apologize for any inconvience. :sad:

Bootsiuv

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 01:00

No,i didin't make a backup:wall: What was I thinking?

Spoofa

10-20-2007, 01:03

You were thinking my mod was perfect. :laugh4:

jk.

Ill get it fixed.

Bootsiuv

10-20-2007, 01:13

Spoofa should have the problem fixed...if you would like an unaltered script ferengi man in the mean time... i can send you one via xfire

@ glenn

just let me know when your on xfire.

I'm discussing some rules with Boru as we speak, and I have some interesting things to share with you.

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-20-2007, 01:50

Right now I am trying your download Spoofa! I am making a new copy of EB 1.0 so I can install it and still have the unaltered EB 1.0 (lots of free hd)

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 01:56

Right now I am trying your download Spoofa! I am making a new copy of EB 1.0 so I can install it and still have the unaltered EB 1.0 (lots of free hd)
I hope you won't get this script error i do .

Spoofa

10-20-2007, 02:00

http://files.filefront.com/Citymod+With+Spoofs+Editrar/;8838957;/fileinfo.html

HOPEFULLY the final version i need to edit.

script seemed to work this time around.

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 02:07

TUNAK TUNAK TUN
TUNAK TUNAK TUN
TUNAK TUNAK TUN
DA DA DA
DHOLNA VAJJE TUMBE VAALI TAAR
SUN DIL DI PUKAAR
AAJA KAR LAYIEH PYAAR
Finally.I hope this will not affect my Pontos campaing in any evil ways.Downloading as I copy Tunak Tunak Tun lyrics.

PershsNhpios

10-20-2007, 02:22

Most fair and most honourable councillors, X-Fire has betrayed us!

For X-Fire, as you all know,
Was Spoofa's angel!
Judge, O you gods,
How Spoofa doth loved it.
This was the most.. unkindest cut of all!

For.. ingratitude!
Stronger than traitors arms,
Quite vanquished him!
And burst, his mighty heart!

And as our mantles muffled up our faces,
Even, at the base of madmatg's statua,
Which all the while ran pure blood,
Our great chatroom fell!

O, what a fall there was my countrymen,
And then I, and you, and ALL of us, fell down!
Whilst bloody treason flourished over us!

So, in light of this most terrible catastrophe, our GameMaster, a most noble and well advised man, has chosen MiRC to host our Council.
But, be not rushed to download this device until we have tested it!
And it will be tested, as I will be, most assuredly, discussing and finishing our laws within the next few hours.
When we have completed these things, we will report here both our constitution, and our opinion of the MiRC channel.

There are some other things I will discuss in the public eye here, but later.
And, as a token announcement, you will be most pleased with the idea Sassem, of his own accord and initiative, has planned for our game!
He has exerted his creativity, and founded it well in several projects for the benefit of our games!
So be not in haste to denounce his accidental errors, please!

Wait! I have found, to my resentment, that mIRC seems to be a "Try before you Buy" offer!
This cannot be allowed in our Senate, as we have a great expenditure on things both military and civil, and cannot be giving mnai for the maintenance of our podium also!
I must be gone for now, but I will await further details from our CultMaster before downloading.

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 02:52

Spoofa,your mod works perfectly now.So we will be using mIrc.I don't want to :furious3: j/k.The evalatiion copy is only 30 days and i spend all my cash on books.This also seems to be much more complicated.I liked x-fire more...

Wolfman

10-20-2007, 03:15

How could the gods be so cruel to betray we loyal phoenicians? Was it not punishment enough to throw us from our beautiful land of canaan? So what happened really?

Sassem

10-20-2007, 03:39

I'm tired and going to bed :inquisitive: :inquisitive: :inquisitive:

ps there is litlle teaser on his way:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

hope you like it and that is show right and in good order on all your monitors

ps the teaser is sponserd by Hertog Jan beer

Spoofa

10-20-2007, 03:47

MIRC's free.... sept it bugs the crap out of you everytime you start it up after the first 30 days.

Bootsiuv

10-20-2007, 03:55

mIRC is out...I'm not going to require a program that will require someone to pay $20.

That being said, if X-Fire proves too unstable (as it has recently....the chat rooms freeze), we may just be forced to do away with live council meetings.

It is unfortunate, but may be unavoidable, as a council meeting with everyone having 20 ims up is just ridiculously hard to manage and foolishly complex.

I'm glad the issue with the mod has been resolved.

Sassem's spoiler can be found HERE (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1705175&postcount=278)

It's essentially a dynamic building browser for all cities in the empire....once its complete. Sassem wanted me to stress that this was an early draft, and the template may change, but things like this will be made available so players who aren't Shophet will have a better understanding of what's going on.

Bootsiuv

EDIT: We're looking into other methods of providing our players with a stable, free live chat room. It may be a temporary X-Fire issue, but it is something that can't happen if 10+ players meet online to discuss things...

Leão magno

10-20-2007, 03:58

Is it defenitive... about Mirc?

Bootsiuv

10-20-2007, 04:21

We won't be using the program. It isn't free, so unfortunately, it isn't for us.

We're checking into alternatives.

Bootsiuv

PershsNhpios

10-20-2007, 04:26

No Senator Leao, it is not.
This, I have told you all, that it was not a definite change.
However, for the amount of players we will be hosting within our meetings,
X-Fire will simply be impossible to apply to our wishes!
It will not support five people talking in a room, let alone our entire Senate!
mIRC is not going to be made official either, as it is not free.

Therefore, Bootsiuv and I are in a demonic chaos, attempting to decide a platform on which we can debate, the entire constitution of gameplay rules and guidelines, and organising all of our new players and assignments!

Be patient, and be sure, that nothing is certain until we have here said so.
And therefore, nothing is certain as we have not yet ever said so!

The only things I can reassure you of are these; that we are soon to be beginning our succession game; that the constitution will be finished today; that we will very shortly apprise you of the chatroom program we will use; and that we are doing all these things most expediently, that you may all soon enjoy the idea created by Bootsiuv.

Bootsiuv

10-20-2007, 04:31

We will be using MSN as our platform, as I and Glenn have been talking, and he has informed me of free chatrooms.

Bootsiuv

PershsNhpios

10-20-2007, 04:50

Yes, MSN Messenger is our new candidate.
However, Bootsiuv is yet to download this device and test it for himself.
Therefore, those of you who do not have MSN Messenger, do not yet download it and create an account.
This may change, Bootsiuv may discover something within the program that he does not agree with the same as I.
Wait until it has been tested.

Spoofa

10-20-2007, 04:53

X-fire works... everybody I've talked to (Ive used xfire for at least 3 years) says this is some bug, not a permanent error.

dont discard this amazing messenger system so easily glenn, I've easily had 100+ people in one chatroom before, Why you may ask? well some people like to try and invite as many people as they can into a chatroom, pointless, maybe, fun, you tell me.

Bootsiuv

10-20-2007, 05:01

Well, perhaps I spoke in haste!

We'll get it figured out by game-time regardless.

Bootsiuv

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 06:16

Why not use Skype?You can open chats and add with any amount of people.

Sassem

10-20-2007, 11:04

So fellow family members what do you think of the building browser i'm creating for this game this can be found here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1705175&postcount=278) it' still very Beta

I just like to have some feedback about this concerning

--do you like it?
--does the page load quick enough for you?
--is it helpful for the game?
--do you think the building pictures are to big?

you have to see it like this every settlement we are going to own (a a lot hopefully) will be represented in there so image your self a browser with 50+ settlements

If anyone of you have some tips about it just let me know

I'm using

Adobe indesign cs3--->templates for the sig's
Adobe photoshop cs3--->for copy/paste stuff a 1000 times
microsoft office excel 2003--->template for the building browser
and of course photobucket for storage

So please if you have tips or trouble about the building tree please let me know

i need feedback because it's going to be a lot of work to set things up and to maintain
so if you think it isn't going to work (helpful) ok just let me know
so i can start actually playing EB10 instead of cutting it a part

For now i'm going shopping after that i 'm going to play EB i almost forgot how it looks in gaming mode :freak:

TY

Leão magno

10-20-2007, 12:43

Sassem

10-20-2007, 15:56

Noble Sassem, the browser seems exceptional for me and it loaded pretty quick. Never been in a Sucession game before so I do not know if it will be the most useful or not and I liked the initial size of pictures, but it may get a bit too dense with a whole lot more of buildngs perhaps, something 3/4 the present size?

Yes you're right all pictures should be 25%

Hmmm that will be a lot work i will work something out

ps if somebody needs me i'm on X-fire just give a call as it may look i'm online in here i will probably working in the background so i will not respond that much here for a while but i will read your suggestions

Spoofa

10-20-2007, 16:59

http://files.filefront.com/City+Mod+Kart+10rar/;8843768;/fileinfo.html

Okay gents, this SHOULD be the LAST version I have to make enless there are other things reported that might screw over our game, this fixes the client ruler's movement penalties so we can sally with client rulers.

Bootsiuv

10-20-2007, 17:19

Great work Spoofa.

I must apologize to Glenn, for not returning online last nite, as I was held up.

I would like to finalize the rules today.

I have gleamed several good ideas from Glenn and Boru, and I would like to thank them for their help in this matter.

Bootsiuv

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 18:12

So when will we start?In a day?Or two?Spoofa,ill test your mod later since im simply too lazy now.

Bootsiuv

10-20-2007, 19:28

The answer to that question is....as soon as everything is ready. Check back daily if possible. I'll keep you updated.

Bootsiuv

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 20:24

OMG Spoofa I'm sorry,but this is really starting to piss me off.

I cannot enable script again.I get the same error when i exit the game.
"Cannot recognize token end_script"
What causes this?Ill fix it myself if you tell me how.

Spoofa

10-20-2007, 21:00

GAH!

here, Ive fixed it I hope, Im sorry about all the many versions, I think i got some of the files mixed up because I have about 3 places where I have the files at so i must have archived the wrong one's.

http://files.filefront.com/City+Mod+11+Kartrar/;8845303;/fileinfo.html

Leão magno

10-20-2007, 21:23

Beginning to download now, seems to be working. All in all it includes City mod, Darths formations, what else?

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 21:56

I get the same error.Maybe its just me,but I really didin't mod any of my files,i don't see what could be wrong.

Spoofa

10-20-2007, 22:17

well, I dont personally get the error with the script, and I copied my script file into the mod so I dunno what could be wrong.

Malik of Sindh

10-20-2007, 22:23

It works perfectly.

NightStar

10-21-2007, 01:19

That´s good....then I can download it, as the testers have proven it stable :smash:

Malik of Sindh

10-21-2007, 01:37

I only played for six turns so don't hope too much.
J/k its really stable im already 10 years into my Ptolie campaing.:laugh4:
BTW why doesn't anyone ask how the heck im online day and night?If youre interested i sleep like 5 hours from 7 till 13.

Sassem

10-21-2007, 03:04

So fellow family members what do you think of the building browser i'm creating for this game

I just like to have some feedback about this concerning

--do you like it?
--does the page load quick enough for you?
--is it helpful for the game?

you have to see it like this every settlement we are going to own (a a lot hopefully) will be represented in there so image your self a browser with 50+ settlements

If anyone of you have some tips about it just let me know

I'm using

Adobe indesign cs3--->templates for the sig's
Adobe photoshop cs3--->for copy/paste stuff a 1000 times
microsoft office excel 2003--->template for the building browser
and of course photobucket for storage

So please if you have tips or trouble about the building tree please let me know

i need feedback because it's going to be a lot of work to set things up and to maintain
so if you think it isn't going to work (helpful) ok just let me know

TY

_________governor _________ Senator _______ Senator ________ Senator
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/sassem.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Pezhetairoi.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Pezhetairoi.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Pezhetairoi.jpg
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KART-HADAST __ Building in progress __ next to be build __ Building for discussion
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/coastalclearing1.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/coastalclearing1.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/coastalclearing1.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/coastalclearing1.jpg

Spoofa

10-21-2007, 03:09

7 to 13 is more like 6 hours.

Boru

10-21-2007, 03:15

Sassem

10-21-2007, 03:23

@ Sassem

I think this will be a wonderful tool and make it a lot easier for everyone to see what is going on in each province. It makes sense to me what you have set up and i love it. Obviously you will still be fine tuning it, but its a great start. As for technical help i have no experience with those programs. Keep up the great work :laugh4:

Did you knew that there are 14.826 pictures in the eb folder with the .tga behind it :shocked:

and there not sorted or named in a logical way for me :wall:

Boru

10-21-2007, 03:38

WOW thats an insane number and if there is any way i can possibly help i would love to. Thats one big project you have going.

pezhetairoi

10-21-2007, 05:12

Well, when's this whole thing going to be starting? I'm chafing at the bit and raring to go and add my discordant voice to senatorial debates. XD And this will then become the OOC thread while an official thread is begun, right?

Bootsiuv

10-21-2007, 06:11

That is correct, Pezhetairoi. This will remain our OOC thread during the game, as creating an actual OOC thread would be redundant IMO, and this way we'll keep all OOC discussion in one place for easy reference.

We'll also be beginning as soon as possible, as there is still a few minor things that I must do. The constitution is all but completed, and several members have been very helpful regarding this area of our game, most notably Glenn and Boru. I thank them for their input, but have completed our in-game constitution, and now plan on moving forward.

That being said, check back as often as possible. I may put the council thread up as early as tomorrow evening, but I require Sassem online before I do. I will post our official nominations for Shophet in the announcement post (post #2) of the council thread, with voting to be held over the next 24 hours. The usual time for the first Shophet's term may be reduced so we can make our scheduled live meeting next Saturday.

I ask that all members now PM their X-Fire addresses (or a mssg saying you won't be participating in live debates), and the time you'll most likely be available every Saturday, so that I may compile them and give them to Sassem who will have them input into a spreadsheet for quick and easy reference. This will also give me an official tally of our player list, so no-shows and inactive players will be done away with/demoted.

Think of this as the official roll call. If you do not PM me, then I will place you on an inactive list. You will not be taken off of this inactive list until you PM me here. This is a way to keep tabs on who is in, and who may need to be done away with (no-shows), or demoted (inactive governors). Thank you for your cooperation.

I also personally apologize for any problems our members have had with the SSbQ Succession Game Mini-Mod, as it were. Spoofa has changed several aspects of our game and working out all of the bugs does take some time. I do STRONGLY encourage that you make certain to create a back-up of the original files that are overwritten (although I may provide a link to a fresh unaltered set of files as a back up before we begin the game).

Bootsiuv

Sassem

10-21-2007, 14:44

Bootsiuv

10-21-2007, 17:24

I forgot to mention GMT. I assumed that most people knew. I apologize.

I will now post our constitution as I have finished it, and I ask that Glenn and Boru review and post any queries or concerns they may have, as there ideas were instrumental in allowing me to create this. I took ideas from both, as both had some fairly different thoughts on play (one prefers faster play, while the other prefers slower play....I am somewhat 'in the middle' as it were).

I think I've found a good middle ground between both extremes.

These rules will be found in the OP of our council thread....

Official SSbQ Succession Game Constitution

On the Powers of Shophet

1) Any council member can run for the office of Shophet (senators and governors).

2) To run for Shophet, all nominees must express their wish to run before 11:59 P.M. EST (7:59 P.M. GMT) on the Wednesday preceding the election.

3) The Shophet will be elected by a council of his peers on the Friday of every week. Voting will take place over a period of 24 hours in the Council Thread. We will not use live chats for voting.

4) The Shophet will begin his term at any time following the live council meeting held on every Saturday (time pending), but must complete his term by the following Thursday.

After the Shophet posts his savegame, the next group of candidates for Shophet will be announced, and the process of voting will begin again.

5) The Shophet does not vote on matters in the council. He acts as judge of the proceedings, breaking tie-votes and guiding the general direction of the proposals based on strategic decisions.

On the powers of Council Members (Governors and Senators)

1) Senators recieve one vote per proposal in council, while Governors recieve two.

2) Governors have 24 hours to complete battles in the field and return the save game, or the Shophet will confiscate the battle.

3) Battles fought by Governors are fought out by their respective members, barring extenuating circumstances to be decided by the Gamemaster.

4) Senators will move up in rank based on many things, but not limited to; activity, maturity, and general service given to the empire.

5) Council Members can amend these Constitutional Rules, or add addendums, during council by a formal proposal at any time during the course of the week. These will be voted on at the live debate (although a mechanism will be made available for those who cannot attend). The following format will be used for Constitutional Proposals in the council.

Constitutional Proposal 1.1 where 1 is the term of the Shophet, and .1 is the number of the proposal. So Constitutional Proposal 14.6 would be the sixth offical Constitutional Proposal made during the fourteenth term of our game. These issues will be voted on before the next Shophet begins his term.

6) Other proposals, known as Strategic Proposals, which include such things as building construction and troop recruitment/allocation, can be made at any time during the course of the week. These will be voted on at the live debate (although a mechanism will be made available for those who cannot attend). The following format will be used for Strategic Proposals in the council.

Strategic Proposal 1.1 where 1 is the term of the Shophet, and .1 is the proposal number. So proposal 14.6 would be the sixth official proposal made during the fourteenth term of our game. These issues will be voted on before the next Shophet begins his term i.e. the 15th term of our game.

/End Constitution

Once again, a big thanks to Glenn and Boru in their help and insight with these initial rules. I did have to find a nice balance between what each desired, but I feel the final product is far superior to anything I would have came up with myself.

Bootsiuv

PS If anyone else has any concerns, please let me know.

That being said, it will take a logical argument for me to make any drastic changes.

Ag3nt_Magnum

10-21-2007, 18:50

Finally. Let our world conquest commence !

Sassem

10-21-2007, 19:13

Looking good and organized and impressive

looking forward to start

:2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

Malik of Sindh

10-21-2007, 20:00

Sassem,when you have some free time,please make me a sig.

Bootsiuv,this constitution is exelent.Ill be happy to start with such rules.

Sassem

10-21-2007, 20:34

It should be something like this
but i'm not be able to load up more than 80 pictures in one single post because of the forum rules :wall:

I found that out the hard so the little secret projects are canceld for now :sweatdrop:

accept for the signatures

_________governor _________ Senator _______ Senator ________ Senator
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-governor.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg
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KART-HADAST __ Building in progress __ next to be build __ Building for discussion
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/large-city.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg

_________governor _________ Senator _______ Senator ________ Senator
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-governor.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg
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KART-HADAST __ Building in progress __ next to be build __ Building for discussion
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/large-city.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg

_________governor _________ Senator _______ Senator ________ Senator
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-governor.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg
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KART-HADAST __ Building in progress __ next to be build __ Building for discussion
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/large-city.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg

_________governor _________ Senator _______ Senator ________ Senator
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-governor.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg
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KART-HADAST __ Building in progress __ next to be build __ Building for discussion
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/large-city.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg

_________governor _________ Senator _______ Senator ________ Senator
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-governor.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg
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KART-HADAST __ Building in progress __ next to be build __ Building for discussion
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/large-city.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg

_________governor _________ Senator _______ Senator ________ Senator
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-governor.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg __ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/no-senator.jpg
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KART-HADAST __ Building in progress __ next to be build __ Building for discussion
https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildings/large-city.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg _______ https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/open-slot.jpg

Sassem

10-21-2007, 20:38

Sassem,when you have some free time,please make me a sig.

Bootsiuv,this constitution is exelent.Ill be happy to start with such rules.

I can't give you one right now because if have no list of names yet

sorry you just have to wait

ps Bootsiuv i will be away for a hour from now

Leão magno

10-21-2007, 20:53

Here it is 16:50 (GMT -3) free almost all nights from 08:00 to 12:00 (local time) tough I can be on line a lot more of time

Malik of Sindh

10-21-2007, 20:59

Ok Sassem,ill wait.BTW which city im senator of?Atiqa?Kart-Hadast?

Bootsiuv

10-21-2007, 21:23

@Malik of Sindh

I have to update my player list, so I'm not 100% certain where you are.

@Sassem

Was he one of the ones we assigned the other day via X-Fire....I can't recall.

On another note, Poulp' is experiencing technical problems and has reluctantly withdrawn, so we'll have to reassign Bomikar.

I have to install X-Fire on my desktop, as I've prepared that for online, so I can look over save files while we're in discussions. So just PM me here for now, and we'll finalize the avatars.

BTW, perhaps a more simplified form of your diagram might be helpful? It's your call, but it's a shame to let all of your hard work go to waste.

@everyone else

I have recieved 8 PMs. I assume Glenn and Boru are playing, although Sassem will still need the time available on Saturdays.

This is something like 12 inactives if we were to start right now, and 8 players is borderline for a senate type game. I hope the majority of the others still plan on joining.

Bootsiuv

Sassem

10-21-2007, 22:10

Does any know how i can simplifield this

there a lot of no shows

i will look up to all the different post and if possible if something not clear to me i will x-fire them show i can fill in the OTO realtime

i still want to have the post right behind you

as for the buildings i will figure out something but it is paused for now

about the avatars i won't sign up any body anymore till the game starts there are to many people asking for one and then don't show up for a long time and i don't want to spend time in something that will not pay off

i think the best way is to start the game when you are ready and experience the whole thing im will be online for 1.5 hours then i go to bed it's 2300hrs here

Bootsiuv

10-21-2007, 22:20

Well....some players have posted quite regularly....we'll give them a little more time (1 day or so). Then we'll likely begin, as I know many are impatient to begin. I just want to make sure everything goes smoothly. I still have my doubts as to the live council meetings, but we'll give it a go. If it becomes too complicated, convoluted, or simply not enough getting done, we'll likely keep the meeting as a sort of 'informal discussion', but may revert to what seems to have worked best in King of the Romans, which is simply a council thread with something like 48 hrs of debate time. This will slow down the game, but may be required if only 4-5 are available at the same time for live councils.

This is why we need everyone's time online.

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-21-2007, 22:43

Whenever it is possible, please inform the x-fire relation for us to create the new contacts

Boru

10-21-2007, 22:43

For times online, i am online almost all the time checking xfire or the forums. If for any reason i will be gone or can not make a meeting i will let you guys know of it, otherwise count on me being there. :laugh4: Can't wait until start.

@bootsiuv

if you can jump on xfire for a bit anytime today that would be great! Would like to have a quick chat :beam:

Thanks!

Sassem

10-21-2007, 22:51

for the senators sig's
that i have to make

Lepki ---> Malik of Sindh

Karalis---->Leao Magno

Sorry Malik but you have to stay there for this moment

PershsNhpios

10-21-2007, 22:59

I have not posted in some time, this is because of the great activity that has been playing through my household.
I may be moving addresses very soon, and as such, with the amount of horses and baggage my family has, it is a large task.
The action itself will not be for some weeks yet however.

On reading the constitution, I find that the only reasons I have to argue with them are for my own personal interests, and therefore are those arguments invalid.
So I am ready to begin, immediately after I receive some technical adive on the following subject;
I have downloaded 1.0, and I installed Ferromancer's BI.exe mod, for the reason that I prefer only this mod in addition to EB itself.
The problem being, that I have not got a backup.
I did this because the mod has an uninstaller, so will it still be stable if I uninstall the mod, delete this map.rwm and install the S.S.BBQ mod?

My standard time in relation to Greenwich is GMT +10.
I am most usually on between 6:00pm and 9:00 pm on all days.
This is a very tight fit, but if I know a time for meetings and other things, I can attempt those hours.

Malik of Sindh

10-21-2007, 22:59

ignore

Sassem

10-21-2007, 23:41

err, I'm not sure how to say this but im usually free from 5:30 PM till 9:30 PM Central time (I think thats -6 GMT?) everyday on the weekdays, All day on the weekends

Spoofa sorry but this is unclear to me

KuKulzA

10-22-2007, 00:13

wow this is gonna be GOOOOOD :2thumbsup:

Spoofa

10-22-2007, 03:13

I dont know how to do greenwich time. Im american. :laugh4:

We dont play by your rules. :clown:

So if anyone can translate what I said for him that would be great.

madmatg

10-22-2007, 03:24

yay i cant wait for this to start!

pezhetairoi

10-22-2007, 04:45

Can't wait for it to start, too. I. Need. More. Free. Time. Argh.

Bootsiuv, in simple terms, what's x-fire and is it absolutely crucial that I use it? Because my computer is tottering as it is, and I don't want to install anything else on it... it may go wonky.

Spoofa

10-22-2007, 05:03

Xfire's a messenging system made for gamers.

If you want to participate in the live senate debates you need it yes.

KuKulzA

10-22-2007, 05:50

I dont know how to do greenwich time. Im american. :laugh4:

We dont play by your rules. :clown:

So if anyone can translate what I said for him that would be great.

yea I hear ya...

USA central is GMT -5

so if Spoofa's free from 5:30 PM till 9:30 PM
that means it is from 2230 PM to 230 AM in GMTime
right? unless I'm math tarded which I probably am, seeing as how it is 12:50 AM right now where I am... :wall:

Bootsiuv

10-22-2007, 07:23

When Sassem is online tomorrow, I will likely put up the council thread. We can begin debates as to where to go, although I may wait for elections and the first term for our usual Thursday-Friday setup.

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-22-2007, 12:15

Karalis! Great! A rich province fulled with perspective for evolution!!!!

theorykid

10-22-2007, 13:26

Online and Playing times: I'm in EST, which is GMT -4 (currently, although
we'll be going off daylight savings soon...gah)

Weekdays EST: 22:00 - 1:00 (GMT: 02:00 - 05:00)

Weekends EST 10:00 - 1:00 (GMT: 14:00-05:00)

edit: Although i posted it earlier, for posterity: Xfire id=theorykid

Sassem

10-22-2007, 17:07

theorykid

10-22-2007, 17:32

Sassem

10-22-2007, 18:11

If there is still confusion about GMT in relation to yourself, this page may be useful.

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

Even if you have cookies off, you can probably do the calculation relating what time it is locally to GMT.

OMG :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

If i new that link only 2 weeks earlier

For now i'm finished with the am/pm and gmt

I hate am/pm there are 24 hrs in a day not 2x12hrs

anyway here is the OTO i'm 100% sure that i made some mistakes (how can i know when people wake up and go to bed???????????)

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Naamloos-1.jpg

Poulp'

10-22-2007, 18:33

I have already PM'ed Bootsuiv about this yesterday,

I will not be able to join the SSbQ anytime soon; EB 1.0 does not work (I can't understand why, 0.81 used to work just fine) and to make things worse my mouse's left click is broken. For now, I switched the left and right click, but ordering an army around is impossible.

As a consequence, I resigned from my post of govenor
That means a governor seat is open.
I changed my signature accordingly so that two people don't share one seat.
I'd like to be part of the senators for the time being.

Sorry to give you work Sassem
Cheers to the new governor of Adrumento

Bootsiuv

10-22-2007, 18:34

Very nice Sassem.

@Everyone Else....

If you haven't given a time online, please PM me with your time....so I can add you to my list for reference and forward it to Sassem so he can place it into that Spreadsheet.

@ Sassem

Please mssg me via X-Fire when you're ready for me to put up the council thread. I assume that the above chart will be placed in the 3rd post for easy reference?

Thanks for your patience, folks. We're almost ready to begin! :yes:

Bootsiuv

Bootsiuv

10-22-2007, 18:39

@Poulp'

I hope you've raised the issue in the bug forum. I'm sorry that you have to withdrawal.

When things really bad happen to my comp, I save important things to CD and dump the entire thing. I usually do that at least 1 time a year. Perhaps you might consider that (assuming you know what you're doing, have the OS disc that came with your comp and/or you bought, etc.).

Well, you're always welcome back at any time. :yes:

Bootsiuv

SpawnOfEbil

10-22-2007, 18:41

If I'm around, 'll be around Mondays-Fridays 1900-2200
Saturdays+Sundays 1300-2200

xfire is spawnofebil (although I'm not on much, conserving system resources).

Leão magno

10-22-2007, 22:16

OMG :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

If i new that link only 2 weeks earlier

For now i'm finished with the am/pm and gmt

I hate am/pm there are 24 hrs in a day not 2x12hrs

anyway here is the OTO i'm 100% sure that i made some mistakes (how can i know when people wake up and go to bed???????????)

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Naamloos-1.jpg
Real great work!!!! Please insert me in the next update I am GMT -3. I have all nights free from 20:00 to 23:00 except on sundays. Just to make it clear, in GMT time, I may be logged in from 17:00 to 20:00. Any douts PM me

Sassem

10-22-2007, 22:20

Thank You

Maybe i will do some thing simular to this in about 2 months or so but the i will make it a different hopefully a better chart

this one is alittle confusing if you ask me

Wolfman

10-22-2007, 22:54

I'm am availible from 17:00 to 21:00 GMT-5 except for on sundays. Saturdays are iffy

Bootsiuv

10-22-2007, 23:17

The governor position left vacant by Poulp' will pass to Boru.

@Sassem

If you would please make the necessary changes, I would appreciate it.

Bootsiuv

Sassem

10-22-2007, 23:31

The governor position left vacant by Poulp' will pass to Boru.

@Sassem

If you would please make the necessary changes, I would appreciate it.

Bootsiuv

Yes i will do it tomorrow i'm going to bed ps what do you think of this for every city see you all in 20hrs

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/Buildinglayout.jpg

Bootsiuv

10-22-2007, 23:33

Wow....that's very impressive. I see your attempting to solve the limit on pics by making it all one image....very nice.

Great work, Sassem

Bootsiuv

EasternScourge

10-22-2007, 23:44

Just so you all know,I'm still here.I swear I sent a reply about that timezone thing.Anyways,here's my information.

I live in Tennessee and we have -6 (GMT-0600) compared to Greenwich Timezone,I think.

On Monday through Friday I'm available on average between 2200 and 0200.On Saturday,its kind of hard to average it since it all depends on whats planned.Overall,available from 1400 till 0500.Sundays, 1900 till 0200.

I hope thats all correct.Managing time zones never was one of my strong points.

Bootsiuv

10-22-2007, 23:50

Tennessee is pretty much directly south of my state....so you're probably -4 GMT. :yes:

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-23-2007, 00:08

Yes i will do it tomorrow i'm going to bed ps what do you think of this for every city see you all in 20hrs

Awesome!!!! really impressive

Sassem

10-23-2007, 00:22

Boru

10-23-2007, 00:36

@Sassem

Awesome job on your project it looks great! Also thanks in advance for making the change for my sig.

ps-thanks to bootsiuv for the shift to gov. :laugh4:

EasternScourge

10-23-2007, 00:58

Tennessee is pretty much directly south of my state....so you're probably -4 GMT. :yes:

Bootsiuv
Nope,turns out I was right.I live in the part that is in the Central Time Zone,which is -6 GMT.

Malik of Sindh

10-23-2007, 02:51

Hello.Please do not forget me,I might be a bit inactive due to the Gandharan mod,but ill always vote on time.

theorykid

10-23-2007, 15:58

I don't think I saw this answered yet, but Spoofa's mod does not break saved games: I tried it myself, and had no problems. Almost all my cities went into negative growth, however, so at least the mod is working properly.

Lots of files to backup, though.

At least this is my experience. That's no guarentee that things will work for you...

Bootsiuv

10-23-2007, 16:22

Yes, but the most important file to back up is the EBBS script....if something happens to that you either have to have someone send you an unaltered version or reinstall.

I don't foresee any problems, as I've been using his mod for two days, and no CtD's of any kind.

I have a few things to finish up today, such as our newest players senate positions, but most things are done.

Bootsiuv

madmatg

10-23-2007, 19:23

just in case we start having any problems with stuff or someone wants to revert back for something(like mp) i've made a zip file with the SSBQ mod and backups included and just a backup zip file depending on what you need, i dont have a n account with download.com or anyone like htat but i have a google page so heres the link
http://europabarb.googlepages.com/mapfile

Bootsiuv

10-23-2007, 20:53

Thanks madmatg....that will prove to be very helpful....I'll include that in the OP.

To everyone else, I'm currently updating the player list as we speak.

I'll likely be opening up the council thread this evening....it will be open for 48 hrs. to allow players to make in-character proposals and debate our opening moves. Following this we will have an election period of 24 hrs., followed by our first live meeting this Saturday, where proposals will be voted on. I will also open up the council thread from Friday evening to Saturday evening, so players without X-Fire access can vote on the proposals at hand.

Stay tuned...

Bootsiuv

NightStar

10-23-2007, 21:56

My time online is varied. I work biweekly so one week I'm free to browse the internet as much as I like and the other week I'm online 09:00-12:00 GMT

Bootsiuv

10-23-2007, 22:33

On reading the constitution, I find that the only reasons I have to argue with them are for my own personal interests, and therefore are those arguments invalid.
So I am ready to begin, immediately after I receive some technical adive on the following subject;
I have downloaded 1.0, and I installed Ferromancer's BI.exe mod, for the reason that I prefer only this mod in addition to EB itself.
The problem being, that I have not got a backup.
I did this because the mod has an uninstaller, so will it still be stable if I uninstall the mod, delete this map.rwm and install the S.S.BBQ mod?

Sorry, I didn't see this...

I assume it would be fine, but I'm not 100% sure. You might want to contact Spoofa to be sure.

Bootsiuv

Spoofa

10-23-2007, 22:40

we arent using BI though, and I think that mod installs BI, so you'll have to take off the RomeTW-BI.exe part and just make it RomeTW.exe

but I think i used the same mod to get BI working, although I didnt install the EDU part because of course, its outdated, then again even if you did install the EDU my version would overwrite it so its fine.

... theoretically.

Sassem

10-23-2007, 23:06

Sig's for governors are updated (Boru) if you have a broken link PM me!!!!!!! (i saw that a few governors didn't had the latest sig's so you will have to relink them because i deleted the old links in photobucket)

junior members can't have sig's yet till they're a member!!!!!!!

ps Bootsiuv i'm updating the senators till i know the final list

latest city layout what do you think

https://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/Sassem/karthadast.jpg

good night

Bootsiuv

10-23-2007, 23:57

Very nice....the update player list...

A list of players and their avatars/senators follows:

Name (X-Fire) - Position In-Game

Bootsiuv (bootsiuv) - Mago, Governor of Kart-Hadast

Spoofa (mastaspoofa)- Hamalcar, Governor of Lilibeo

Sassem (sassem)- Hasdrubal, Governor of Mastia

madmatg (madmatg)- Gisgo, Governor of Ippone

Boru (boru87)- Bomikar, Governor of Adrumeto

Glenn (EB_Glenn)- Hanno, Governor of Lepki

KuKulzA - Carthalo, Governor of Karalis

Pezhetarioi - Senator from the city of Ippone

Xehh II - Senator from the city of Atiqa

teacher - Senator from the city of Kart-Hadast

strategos alexandros - Senator from the city of Mastia

Ag3nt Magnum - Senator from the city of Alalia

Wolfman - Senator from the city of Adrumeto

Ignoramus - Senator from the city of Gader

Nightstar (Nightstar) - Senator from the city of Bocchoris

EasternScourge - Senator from the city of Lilibeo

SpawnofEbil (spawnofebil) - Senator from the city of Kart - Hadast

theorykid (theorykid) - Senator from the city of Mastia

Malikh of Sindh (Malik of Sindh)- Senator from the city of Lepki

Leao magno (Leao magno) - Senator from the city of Lilibeo

/End List

I still have to add the rest of the X-Fire names, but I've given one senator to mastia and one to Liliebeo, so spain and italy will have more representation.

IF I FORGOT ANYONE PLEASE SPEAK UP!

Bootsiuv

Wolfman

10-24-2007, 04:12

I tried to find Glenns X-fire username but I couldn't find EB_Glenn

Akhenaton

10-24-2007, 04:32

Umm, I'm not in the game, but I was wondering how it works....?

Spoofa

10-24-2007, 04:41

Thou hath committed Blasphemy. thou should readeth thy entire posteth. before thy posteth, if thy refuses to read the post then thou shall be smoted by thy God Baal.

Ye prophet hath spoken.

Akhenaton

10-24-2007, 04:43

I skipped a page. And of course, that page is the one that holds the answer to my question...

Wolfman

10-24-2007, 05:20

Thou hath committed Blasphemy. thou should readeth thy entire posteth. before thy posteth, if thy refuses to read the post then thou shall be smoted by thy God Baal.

Ye prophet hath spoken.
lol! forgive me great prophet Spoofa

Bootsiuv

10-24-2007, 05:23

The council thread will be opened up for discussion within the next 30 minutes. This marks the beginning of our game.

Thanks to all who have helped make this a better succession game.

Bootsiuv

EDIT: The council thread is now open for debate and discussion.

Akhenaton

10-24-2007, 05:43

Okay, from what I understand, everyone serves a term, saves the game, then puts it up to download. The next person in rotation downloads the saved game, plays the next however many turns, and the cycle repeats? Or am I missing it completely?

Boru

10-24-2007, 05:55

you have the gist of it, but our the entire player base gets to meet and talk out what the nation should do though council. Then the Sophet (current leader) does what the council has decided. It should be a ton of fun and i look forward to you joining us! As you play you will get the hang of it :laugh4:

Akhenaton

10-24-2007, 05:57

I wasn't able to figure out how this worked before the time allotted for people to join was over, so I do not think I'll be in this game. Hopefully I'll make the next one!

Boru

10-24-2007, 06:15

If i am not mistaken the game is open to new players all the time. I would PM bootsiuv and see if we can slide you in somewhere. As of this time i am aware of an open senator slot in kart hadast our capital. I would look into it!:laugh4:

Akhenaton

10-24-2007, 06:22

I will. Thank you!

theorykid

10-24-2007, 16:22

Looks like it's off to a good start!

These are some total succession game noob questions, so be gentle...

I assume it is correct (and probably advisable) to start a new game,
check out the situation, and consider the moves I would make. This
will be my guide in making proposals, and voting on the proposals on
the floor. Am I basically correct?

And in the future, I will use the posted save game?

Also, the motions will be voted on by chat saturday, excepting the Shophet
election? If I can't make it to the scheduled chat, is it possible to post
votes, or is it exclusive to Xfire chat?

Thanks...

edit: apparently, I can't spell Shophet on the first try.

Bootsiuv

10-24-2007, 16:31

1. Yes, probably a good idea. :yes:
2. Sure, you can download and peruse, but only the new Shophet will play the next term in game, along with any govs who have to fight battles.
3. Yes, you are right. You will be able to post your votes in the council thread if you are unable to make live chats.

Remember, there are no bad questions. Anyone, please, if you have any questions at all, I am here to help and guide you through our collective journey into the world of EB and ancient Carthage. Don't hesitate to ask anything, game related or history related, I promise I will do my best to accomodate you.

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-24-2007, 17:57

Hello noble governor and future sophet Bootsiuv (Mago)! I installed all mod to EB 1.0 fresh copy and begin an SSbQ campaing to better use my influence in te senate, then it came to me that I do not know somethings:
Unt size - large or huge (which I preffer most);
Battle time limit or without time limit (which I preffer the most)
Manage all settlements?
Was force diplomacy considered in modifications? If not I advise we reconsider, after Ptolemais AI start attaking it cames almos every single turn.

Boru

10-24-2007, 18:12

@theorykid

I just wanted to chime in at your comment on starting a SSbQ game. To me i think it would detract from the anticipation of the game to play through a separate game as the SSbq. Now if you meant just load up the current game save and see whats happening then i am in total agreement. Well just thought i would throw that out there!:laugh4:

@bootsiuv

Is the first sophet gonna start the game save or is there one already gonna be up? Also the questions that were presented in the post above i would like to know also...Thanks a bunch:laugh4:

KuKulzA

10-24-2007, 20:58

yea game specifics like tweaked-scripts we need to download, army-unit sizes, etc. would be good to know, in case we missed it somewhere along the way :2thumbsup:

Bootsiuv

10-24-2007, 21:07

I apologize.

Unit size is large, unfortunately, as huge would limit our player base too dramatically IMO (I can barely run Huge myself, unless I turn graphics all the way down to near M:TW levels)

I usually play with a time limit, but I could easily do away with that...

Manage all settlements....no, this de-emphasizes the importance of governors IMO, and some governors will just have to travel to solve the problem.

@KuKulza....

Check our OP for the custom mod we're using....remember to back-up and I would place the files in individually, as it seemed to screw up my EB when I unzipped it directly into the R:TW folder.

@Boru

The first Shophet will start the save game....I am waiting to hear others nominate themselves. I know Spoofa wants to run, but he's been absent from the council hall up till now....3 nominees would be ideal though,and 4 would probably be the max we can have with the current player count.

Bootsiuv

Boru

10-24-2007, 21:36

@bootsiuv

Also is raising taxes to highest just assumed or do we need to petition that too? Not sure if i should even bother in council?

KuKulzA

10-24-2007, 21:44

Bootsiuv

10-24-2007, 22:32

@bootsiuv

Also is raising taxes to highest just assumed or do we need to petition that too? Not sure if i should even bother in council?

I would say tax limits are ultimately up to the Shophet, but the council is welcome to guide him in his actions.

Remember, the Shophet is NOT REQUIRED to carry out any proposals deemed fit by the council, but he'll have to explain why these conditions weren't met, and if the Shophet 'failed' in the councils eyes, he may have a hard time being re-elected.

I was going to include a rule which required the Shophet to follow council orders, but this isn't necessarily the best things for gameplay reasons. The Shophet must be able to adjust to changing in-game factors, and council meeting can't be called everytime he wants to raise taxes.

Bootsiuv

Boru

10-24-2007, 22:39

Ahhh yes thank you for reminding me of that! I have made another "speech" regarding it anyway. So far so good i think!!!

theorykid

10-24-2007, 23:44

@Boru: I should have been more clear. I certainly meant 'peek' at the game, rather than playing it out. Playing it would not be much fun at all, and contradictory to the notion, I agree.

Akhenaton

10-25-2007, 00:04

One more question, that's probably newbish...

How do I set unit size?

Boru

10-25-2007, 00:06

go to video options the click the advanced check box. You will the see unit size. :beam:

Akhenaton

10-25-2007, 00:11

Thank you! I appreciate the help, everyone...

Sassem

10-25-2007, 00:30

Signatures for senators and the city buildings are updated

please check everything when something is wrong PM me!!!

links with Sig's may be broken just use the proper link in the council here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=93939)

good night

Leão magno

10-25-2007, 03:18

Will sophet fight battle while AI urn AI attacks? how will we manage that considering we can not save game during AI turn?

Bootsiuv

10-25-2007, 04:23

The game must be saved every turn....the player who is attacked, unfortunately, must send the turn before the AI attacked them, so the script can be activated.

This person is trusted to not change anything being built or recruited, they simply click a city, start the script, end the turn, fight the battle, and at the beginning of the next turn, they save the game and send it back.

This is the only way EB succession games will work due to the script in the background.

Bootsiuv

10-25-2007, 04:25

BTW people, several fixes have been released, I will post a link shortly. I ask that everyone install these fixes, as they are officially supported, and we can trust them to work.

It will overwrite Spoofa's trait file, but he said he's been experiencing problems with it anyway, so the official one may be better.

Bootsiuv

EDIT: The fixes can be found HERE (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=93820). Thanks to Bovi for posting them, and thanks to any other team member who helped. :yes:

Xehh II

10-25-2007, 05:30

Sorry for disappearing, probably for the best, how's the game going BTW?

Bootsiuv

10-25-2007, 06:33

Great, please post your views in the council thread....and you have a senator tag now. It's in the 3rd post of the council thread.

@everyone else

For now, just dl the client ruler fix, as I still have to talk to Spoofa, and see what others we might want (some are labeled as optional, so I dunno).

Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience.

Bootsiuv

PershsNhpios

10-25-2007, 09:25

I hope everyone is enjoying this as much as I am.
There is a flood rain assaulting my house at the moment, and in addition to this I am packing boxes and boxes of household items, for I am home by myself while my family works - preparing a moving of house.

So in between admiration of the storm and packing away with Django Reinhardt playing in the background, it has been great entertainment giving attitude and oration to Hanno.

Yet, I disclaim some of his comments on other players, but I cannot reflect my own views in the council thread, but those of my character!

So far, I do no care if I ever play a Shophet, it will suffice to orate and convince the Senate of Lepki's potential to be our capital city!

Bootsiuv, could you give a procedure in the first post of either thread, telling how to apply a savegame to your files so that you can play as a Shophet?
Also advise every necessary mod, fix, and player options.

In addition, decide on a difficulty level if this has not already been done.

I have punishing words for the Senator of Alalia, but I will wait for another before I begin another speech.

Boru

10-25-2007, 18:55

I am having a blast also. I to hope others are enjoying the fun!!! I hope by tonight everyone will have risen up to speak at least once on the matters of our great house! Oh and Akhenaton have u looked in to playing at all? I did mention that one spot to you and i hope you still want to play!

Bootsiuv

10-25-2007, 19:05

Sassem should be assigning him a senator tag today.

And yeah....good times in the council hall. I am quite enjoying Hanno's fiery oration. :yes:

Great job guys.

@Glenn

Yes, you are quite right. I shall do that.

For the record I haven't thought too much on difficulty although it will be at least H/M, but VH/M is also a very viable option.

I'm leaning towards VH/M personally, considering how many minds we have to attempt to solve problems. It's bad enough when the AI has to face one human brain....now it must face 20+!!

Bootsiuv

Sassem

10-25-2007, 19:26

please people don't talk about things (rebel stacks ) if they're not show in the first view of the game we just can simply don't know that yet!!!

NightStar

10-25-2007, 19:52

Hehe, of course this is all in character in the council thread, that makes it alot of fun. Having a blast as well giving life to a Senator that thinks Bocchoris is the greatest shithole in the world

Bootsiuv

10-25-2007, 20:07

Actually, from what I hear....the Baleares are quite beautiful...like the party spot of the Med, or so I've been told....probably lots of young hot mediterranean chicks there. :2thumbsup:

Ag3nt_Magnum

10-25-2007, 21:10

This is so much fun. I like this very very much
Message to Glen: This thing ain't personal, it's just an in-character discussion, don't think even for a moment that I have something against you. I thought that by picking a fight on a subject I believe I'm right on would spice things up, as well as make it easier for me to argue my case, as opposed to arguing for something I don't believe in.

Sassem

10-25-2007, 22:04

Hi i just had a total(war) new experience for me with xfire i was discussing with madmatg about things while we both had EB open that was new for me

So will this option make my city/building (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1722716&postcount=4)thing absolete or do people use it ????

please let me know

TY

Bootsiuv

10-25-2007, 23:40

Well, for some dumb ass reason, I can't get it to stay on top!!

I dont want to make you do all of that work though.

@Spoofa

Sorry, bro, I didn't realize how hard up Ippone was until I opened the game....they at least need walls first, or we may lose it (as I had happen to me quite a few times in .8x).

Don't worry though, syracuse is still amongst my first priorities...

Spoofa

10-25-2007, 23:42

I suggest thou getteth on Xfire.

Wolfman

10-26-2007, 00:46

I'm enjoying this greatly! I've never had an experience quite like this. I thank the people that came up with this idea from the bottom of my heart. :bow:

Bootsiuv

10-26-2007, 01:03

Well, thank some guys who played on M:TW a loooong time ago. :beam:

I did not make this idea up, if anything, I merely attempted to introduce it to EB....although that isn't entirely true either, because there were those before myself, although I'm unsure if they ever got anything off of the ground.

Oh, and the creators of the Will of the Senate and King of the Romans games....I drew a lot of inspiration (and some direct help...thanks econ21!)from these two games, as they looked like a lot of fun!!

Apparently, they were! :laugh4:

But I am very glad you're enjoying yourself. I know I have enjoyed it immensely. For some dumb reason, pretending to be a 3rd century bc senator seems cool to me....and my girl lets me know how dorky I really am for that. :laugh4:

Women just don't understand a man's innate desire for power, even if it's make-believe power. :shrug: :laugh4:

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-26-2007, 01:12

It must be VH/m since it is the ballanced way to play, (my opinion here - respecting any other)

By the way, as senator of Lilibeo I must inform you all that my x-fire contact is leao (or leão magno), feel free to contact me

NightStar

10-26-2007, 01:19

Actually, from what I hear....the Baleares are quite beautiful...like the party spot of the Med, or so I've been told....probably lots of young hot mediterranean chicks there. :2thumbsup:

Sure they are beautiful, but they are not center of the universe, a place were things are happening, heck people have nothing to do, just swing their sling alot to produce the best slingers in the world.

And yeah, I must admit I knew about Ippone from prior games. The loose rebel stack always ends up assaulting Ippone with 6 or 7 numidian cavalry, the poeni militia don't stand a chance because of their light armor and Gisgo gets swamped. If you build walls they will starve you to death if you aren't quick enough to send reinforcements (yeah I dare you to try to sally against 6 or 7 units of numidian cavalry)

Best way is to send a force of good armored spearmen, besiege Kirta and let 'em come to you.

PershsNhpios

10-26-2007, 01:25

I heard somewhere that you swing your sling too much you'll go blind!

Soon I will make some more proposals to the Senate, and put my efforts in the different area of the empire.
But I think that everyone should review the current proposals often, and if you have anything that would need amending or removing, advise the Game Master so that we do not have a crowd of unwanted proposals.

I will return soon, to turn the ravens of Hadrumetum to stone and voice my support of a war in.. Numidia perhaps.

pezhetairoi

10-26-2007, 01:37

My dear Glenn, brilliant roleplaying there. What would be the fate of a Council of old men without a young voice of fire, eh? I'm having a great time bandying words with you. XD Mm, I've never played Qarthadast before. I didn't know the Numidians would've attacked, I thought they would stay in their own province, which was why I advised the defensive. Looks like Gisgo will be fighting soon if we ever get past this first turn's debate, eh?

NightStar

10-26-2007, 01:56

Of course there is a chance that the rebels won't attack, or wander the wastes and attack after a dozen years, it just pushes my agenda of wanting to rule west africa. I must admit that after playing the Lusitani I'm almost dying to let them build up a bit and have a good fight with them, their regional units look badass

Leão magno

10-26-2007, 02:07

They always attack in tyur three or four, at least tha AI never before lost such a great bait

Bootsiuv

10-26-2007, 05:51

The council thread will close in 15 mins. After which, I will peruse the final proposals and elimate any which are redundant.

I will then create a battle reports/stories thread, and an election thread.

On a related note, I've often wondered in the past week if my running for Shophet was unfair to other players. Clearly the organizer of the game will have an advantage, as all players have had dealings with me. Ultimately, I decided I would run, but would impose my own limitation.

So, I say this: If you feel most comfortable with me at the helm for the first term, then fine, vote for me.

That being said, do not underestimate the merits of the other two candidates. Both Spoofa and Boru have been instrumental in helping 'behind-the-scenes' and this game wouldn't be what it is without them. They are also well versed in the world of R:TW, and I would feel fine being led by either one.

On a final note, if I do win this term, I will not run the next term. I also will not annex the game, as I've thought of doing. This is no longer 'my' game, but the communities, and I will not save it from a 'slow death'. I will leave that up to our 20+ players. I am confident that someone will step up next term.

I am also scheduled to have a child next Thursday morning, so the week following might not be the best time for me time-wise.

Don't worry though, newborns are surprisingly undemanding, and my wife is a good mother, so I shant be gone for long (if at all, as it doesn't take but 10 mins to post here once a day, and newborns sleep 20 hours a day :laugh4:).

The point is, if I can find time between a 2 year old and work to play this game, I'm quite confident that something which hardly wakes up (and even then, hardly needs me, like I said, good mother) will interrupt my conquest too long.

Bootsiuv

Bootsiuv

10-26-2007, 06:08

Ok, the Council thread is now closed....I will post the finalized list of proposals tomorrow. For now, I'm off to bed, as I am tired from a rather long day.

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-26-2007, 10:29

The council thread will close in 15 mins. After which, I will peruse the final proposals and elimate any which are redundant.

I am also scheduled to have a child next Thursday morning, so the week following might not be the best time for me time-wise.

Bootsiuv
I only wished t congratulate you, my child is a four month old one and he is a bless! Congratulations

Akhenaton

10-26-2007, 14:43

Wow... I try to get back on track with my sleeping, rest, and energy for a few days, and all of a sudden, I've missed the first turn! Although, I guess I couldn't have done anything, as I am not yet OFFICIALLY a senator, seeing as Sassem hasn't created a sig for me just yet, as senator of Gader, but that's perfectly fine. This weekend, I'll be on pretty much only at night and in the morning. My father and I are driving up to Ohio to pick up a Gazebo for our hot tub that we bought on ebay. Sooo, I won't be extremely active this weekend, but I will be on the following weekends. And weeks, except for next, which is the last week of football. Hopefully, my JV team can finish 9-1. We had an awesome game last night to push our record up to 8-1. Sorry for rambling... :/

NightStar

10-26-2007, 15:53

Anything planned for live discussion on Saturday?

Sassem

10-26-2007, 16:23

Bootsiuv

10-26-2007, 20:19

No...I haven't declared a time, as it's really a hard thing to do....I'm trying to incorporate as many people as possible.....I've decided to hold them 24 hours from now. I apologize to those who live on the other side of the world, but the fact is that all nominees for Shophet are American, and the Shophet should be present if possible.

Now, I must apologize for not putting this up earlier, but I will take votes for Shophet in here now.

The candidates are

Spoofa
Boru
Bootsiuv

Please just say one or the other in here, as I don't really see the need for a thread all its own at this point....if elections end up being a big deal, I may reconsider.

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-26-2007, 20:24

If voting is already allowed let me vote for Mago (bootsiuv)

Bootsiuv

10-26-2007, 20:27

BTW congrats on your four month old!!

And thanks....I had my daughter two years ago, and now I get my son. He'll be playin EB by the time he's three. :laugh4:

madmatg

10-26-2007, 21:24

Spoofa - i think it wise to engage syrakusa as soon as possible after the city of Kirtan is taken(using the troops from the siege of Kirtan of course)

PershsNhpios

10-26-2007, 23:18

Considering Mago ignored my requests and offers, Boru has been most deserving of my vote so far!

Sassem

10-26-2007, 23:30

First live meeting announcement!!!!!!!!!

Ok pay attention please and we all will learn and experience from this

i talked to bootsiuv and we came to he conclusion that the best time for the most of us it will be held at

2200 GMT SATURDAY EVENING

so the local times would be

NAME AND GMT TIMES / LOCAL TIMES for the meeting

sassem gmt+2 / 0000hrs from saturday to sunday

glenn gmt+10 / 0800 hrs sunday morning

bootsiuv gmt -4 / 1800hrs saturday evening

madmatg gmt -6 / 1600hrs saturday evening

these are just a few examples i hope so much that this is clear for everyone i know as that in this period of year the summer times will change to winter times be aware of that (in the Netherlands where i live it will change this weekend from summer +2 to winter+1 times)

it will be difficult for every one as it is for me but we have to give it a try and we will find out what will be the best time for everyone

if it is totally unclear to you all this just try to x-fire me

your current gmt time can be found at he bottom of this page

And this page is maybe helpful to you http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

PershsNhpios

10-27-2007, 01:47

Eight tomorrow morning.. hmm, my mornings are usually very productive as are my days, so night time is the easiest for me.
However I do not ask to change this, and in fact tomorrow morning is rather different from all, so I should be capable of attending.
It is 10.40 AM on the Saturday here.

As for what has been written in the Council thread, I don't disapprove of it because it offensive to Hanno, but because it isn't very appropriate for our era of roleplay.
Nor are the excess of smilies and bracketed actions, these make the posts look very messy and compared to the list of enobled speeches and charactery well thought of above - it makes for a very unsightly intermission...

Not to mention I don't know where you found a sheep's bladder in North Africa.

I hesitated to write this in case it would appear I was shamelessly defending Hanno out-of-character, but I simply found that to be very degrading to all previous posts in the thread, which our players put much effort into.

I also would like to know if my side-story on how Hanno spurred the Lepki populace was out of place in the story thread, as I added something similar to the beginning of the council thread.
I saw the rule that we may enhance our character there, and thought I might do so by showing what Hanno is doing in his province.
This by no means should be used as an argument against him when we return to the Senate, as no others would know of it.
It is written for the audience.

Finally, I would like to know both how we are going to handle adopted family members when they are offered in-game, and if the Senators and Governors can still converse casually in the council thread after the hearing is finished.

I think the latter very productive, and it would allow for non-official discussion of strategies, further player development and more vicious back-stabbing!

Bootsiuv

10-27-2007, 02:22

Yes, Glenn, as soon as the proposals are voted on, the council thread will be reopened, and we'll have time for free deliberation, before the next 48 hr period where our council-members shall once again be allowed to put forth formal proposals.

And you were right on in the story thread....I plan on doing one on Mago soon, nothing much....I just like to write....but please continue, as it's what it it there for.

And I will not make deals with provinces for bribed votes my friend. If Boru is most deserving of your vote based on his merits, very good then. :bow:

Bootsiuv

As it stands now....

Bootsiuv - 1
Boru - 1
Spoofa - 0

pezhetairoi

10-27-2007, 02:35

I'll vote Bootsiuv. I think it only fitting the first term should go to the founder. Of course, like the consular elections, past consuls may not run again for a period of x terms, and I think that's a good rule. What is the live meeting being held on>? I have no x-fire. And it would correspond to 6am sunday morning for me, so I'll have to set my alarm clock.

I wonder about the whole midnight thing as well that Glenn has raised. It is a nice idea, and as I see it, it shouldn't be a problem as long as the whole thing is in character, yes?

And about the sheep's bladder, we're Kart-Hadast, my goodness. Import-export is our business. Hardly a problem, we're the closest the ancient world had to Amazon.com.

And Congratulations Bootsiuv! The tavern barkeeper has a kid! Boy, or girl?

Bootsiuv

10-27-2007, 03:02

Boy. :yes:

Unfortunately friend, as of right now it looks like we're shooting for X-Fire....with MSN as a back-up. I have not required people give any other platform names because I've asked enough up to this point.

That being said....if we do experience troubles with X-Fire this week, we'll simply have to do standard council thread votes, and hold off on the live votes until a more stable platform can be found. Quite frankly, I've never heard of such things even being attempted, so I'm still not even certain we can pull it off.

I have been perusing the propositions for redundancy, and will provide an ammended list within a few hours time. All players unable to attend the live meeting will be given a period of 24 hours to vote on proposals in that thread. I prefer it to remain in character, but see nothing wrong in some playful badgering, assuming that remains in character as well.

It won't matter much, as I'll clearly mark the beginning of the next session with large, bold type, and I'll make the list of proposals available in post 2 and the first post of that session, for easy reference.

Well, that's about all for now.

Bootsiuv

Bootsiuv

10-27-2007, 05:54

A list of the finalized props can be downloaded HERE (http://files.filefront.com/Proposals+for+the+First+S0txt/;8897587;/fileinfo.html).

Proposals for the 1st term of Shophet Abib 272 - Abib 270

Constitutional Proposal 1.1 - [I, Gisgo, Governor of Ippone, do hereby propose] an amendment be added to the constitution requiring a second for any nominee for Shophet before he can be added to the list of those seeking the position.

Constitutional Proposal 1.2 [originally Strategic Proposal 1.11] – Elect a general (hence known as the Magistrate) who shares the Shophet's term.

Constitutional Proposal 1.3 [originally Strategic Proposal 1.11] - Allow the Shophet to nominate a Magistrate in times of urgent need.

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Strategic Proposal 1.2 - I [Hanno, Governor of Lepki] would advise to see two levies made in each city of Iberia, in Corsica, in Sardinia, and in Lilybaeum.

Strategic Proposal 1.3 - The city of Lepki will be given the highest priority for construction of choice in the year 272 B.C.E.

Strategic proposal 1.4 – Peace with Epirus provided a payment for troubles caused [restitution] of at least 5.000 (10.000 is better) and Cartogaphy information.

Strategic Proposal 1.6 – building ports followed by the Construction priority to the economical growth of Karalis, Alalia and Lilibeo, by building trade centers, farms, and esecially mines in Karalis as soon as possible.

Strategic Proposal 1.7 – build a better port at Lilibeo to increase our trade value.

Strategic Proposal 1.8 - A small company of levies should be constructed by the cities of Kart-Hadast, Attiqa and Adrumeto, that can be kept between these three provinces.

Strategic Proposal 1.9 - For my province I [Gisgo, Governor of Ippone] would like permission and troops from the senate to move south of my city and take the region south of Ippone.

Strategic Proposal 1.10 - Along the lines of proposal 1.8 i say that roads be built in as many provinces as possible as this will allow the forces in proposal 1.8 to better defend out homeland from any threats that do come!

Strategic Proposal 1.11 - The fleet near Alalia should be the only one not disbanded with the first turn.

Strategic Proposal 1.13 - Constructing civilian ports where the local terrain allows it should have priority over all but the most urgent of needs.

Strategic proposal 1.14 - Encourage growth in Alalia and build up military facilities to support future operations.

Strategic proposal 1.15 - Concentrate all currently availible offensive forces on taking north-west Africa asap.

Strategic proposal 1.16 - Therefore I propose the building of walls in Bocchoris, Alalia, Karali and Ippone.

Strategic proposal 1.17 - Therefore I propose we raise taxes all over our glorious empire.

Strategic proposal 1.18 - I [Hamalcar, Governor of Lilibeo] must requesition the forces from Atiqa, along with one company of Numidian Cavalry from Kart-Hadast itself, to be sent on a voyage to sicily to bolster my forces there, before they sail though, I ask that we train one company of Dorki Leebi-Feenikim Mookdamim (Liby-Phoecians) in Aqita or Kart-Hadast to be sent along with them, to ensure victory.

Strategic proposal 1.19 - I [Hamalcar, Governor of Lilibeo] also ask that our elephants be kept in our service until at least after I have Syracusai.

Strategic Proposal 1.22 - Admiral Thero will be allowed to retain command over a fleet of 26 of our finest warships. All other fleets will be disbanded.

Proposal 1.25 - Take Kirtan,Siga,Lixus and Sala in Mauritania.

Strategic Proposal 1.26 was just too large, so ignore it, as I've decided it's more of a general guideline, and the same thing can be accomplished by voting for the proper proposals.

You'll still find it on the .txt file, but, like I said, ignore it, as I've decided it's simply too large to be considered one proposal, and the same will be accomplished by voting yay for certain proposals and nay for others.

I'm beginning to think that the live meeting, while useful perhaps for stategic discussion, may be somewhat pointless for voting, as it would be just as easy to write a numbered yes/no response in the council thread.

That being said, have this list handy for the meeting, as we'll just move forward as planned. If, as I fear, it's simply too complicated orgaizing 10+ people to get straight answers, we may still offer the live meetings for talk on strategies, etc., and all voting will be held on these boards.

Thanks for your time.

Bootsiuv

madmatg

10-27-2007, 07:54

what say the rest of the council? i can always remove the post and stick it in here if people think it icky in the council thread and replace it with something else

Xehh II

10-27-2007, 10:17

Since I've missed 16 pages of this could someone please sum it up for me?

Leão magno

10-27-2007, 14:19

The proposals above quite sum it all besides rules that can be viewed in the first page. To a complete information we have three contenders to be the Sophet (the first player to play the mod for a eigth turns period) who will be trusted to follow, as much as possible, the proposals the rest of the players aproove. Votation is still to happen today

Leão magno

10-27-2007, 14:30

It seems that Strategic proposal 1.13 is real similar to 1.6.

Bootsiuv

10-27-2007, 18:08

Yes, you are quite right.

Let it be known that 1.6 will be stricken from the record.

1.15 is broader, and leaves the power in the hands of the Shophet.

Bootsiuv

madmatg

10-27-2007, 18:11

@leao - i think the difference is 1.6 is a little more towards developing only those 3 cities while 1.13 is a little more general including the development of the whole nation

Wolfman

10-27-2007, 19:53

Three very wise Leaders. Hmmmm. I vote for Boru.

@Bootsiuv
I would have voted for you but seeing how busy your schedule was I decided to give you a break. Congrats on the new baby:balloon::balloon2::balloon3::birthday2: ~:joker: ~:cheers: :jumping: :hippie: :clown: :crown: :joker: :hippy: :party:

Leão magno

10-27-2007, 20:19

Oh! Sory, didn't noticed that! Being so, Great Mago, allow both to remain!

Bootsiuv

10-27-2007, 20:34

No worries....I'm just eager to begin. :yes:

Boru - 2
Bootsiuv - 1
Spoofa - 0

I'm sort of hoping that more than three people will vote....if more don't vote, I may just revert to giving governors shophet in turn, as that is a much faster way of moving the game along...

Bootsiuv

Spoofa

10-27-2007, 20:37

when is the live thing today? or is it already over?

Bootsiuv

10-27-2007, 20:41

2200 GMT SATURDAY EVENING

so the local times would be

NAME AND GMT TIMES / LOCAL TIMES for the meeting

sassem gmt+2 / 0000hrs from saturday to sunday

glenn gmt+10 / 0800 hrs sunday morning

bootsiuv gmt -4 / 1800hrs saturday evening

madmatg gmt -6 / 1600hrs saturday evening

I'm EST which is -4, and I assume CST is -5, although I've heard some say it's -6 (which boggles my mind if I'm -4).

That being said, the time isn't set in stone....once I see that it seems as many are on around those rough times, I'll have whoever has the fastest connection amongst us start a chat room, and invite the people.

I don't foresee having more than a few, but we'll see. I'm not even sure X-Fire will be up to the task, but we'll keep our fingers crossed.

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-27-2007, 20:50

Do not worry, votes will come, perhaps governors are just thinking of voting during the x-fire section

Sassem

10-27-2007, 22:02

Hasdrubal votes for Bomikar (Boru)

Malik of Sindh

10-27-2007, 22:08

I vote for Spoofa.

madmatg

10-27-2007, 22:11

i vote for spoofa i want syrakusa after kirtan of course

Boru

10-27-2007, 22:47

Sorry for the short notice, in 15 min. i will be making the chat on xfire, so add boru87 if u have not already. Don't worry about being too late as we shall probably still be talking. But the election will be the first thing done, so if you want to take part in that make sure to be there shortly after we start. Thanks and hope to see everyone there! :laugh4:

Bootsiuv

10-28-2007, 00:21

Sassem

10-28-2007, 00:30

Well...an interesting first live meeting, to say the least. We may rework somethings....too many props apparently.

Sorry folks, this is as new to me as it is to you. I've tried to be organized, but unforeseen problems tend to be unforeseen. :laugh4:

I'm gonna talk with our current Shophet Boru, and we may make a few changes.

Bootsiuv

Yes congratulations to all

we will learn from it so it will be a little bit less chaotic in the future hopefully

sorry for the people how missed it but we will work something out so the votes of all people will be taken in account

Malik of Sindh

10-28-2007, 00:37

Is this only me,or was I really the only senator in the live meeting?

wheres my reward?

pezhetairoi

10-28-2007, 00:51

Darn, my alarm clock didn't wake me. Guh. Is it still on?

Malik of Sindh

10-28-2007, 00:53

Nah it ended already.

Bootsiuv

10-28-2007, 01:20

Don't worry, Pez...I'm glad you didn't get woken up....it was somewhat chaotic. It's fine though.

I may revise a few things regarding proposals, control of land, who controls recruitment etc.

I'm trying to find a balance between playability for the Shophet and interactivity for those who are just playing along.

I'm thinking of making a 2 proposal - per - province limit or something similiar to this, so as to prevent similiar things from happening in the future (I fear our young Boru may have not only felt a little overwhelmed, but also a little unclear as what to do).

It is not an easy thing, really. I'm glad we've encountered these things before are game began.

That being said, the First Term may be put back a few days, with a revised constitution being introduced which may put a limit on how many props are allowed, although I may attempt to give more control to individual governors, so that it feels more like a republic.

To be honest, I am STRONGLY in favor of allowing governors control over their cities forces, which so many seemed to be against when the fiery Hanno said he would not contribute forces to any war effort in Syracousai. I think it is easily represented in-game (if the gov says no troops for this or that, then no troops for this or that).

That being said, I'll likely not include such things because, as others have said, a huge fight could end our game (although it would add a new element to the cooperation of provinces IMO).

Hmmm, lots to say. I think the system we currently have will work well enough, given a few small constitutional amendments.

I think I've alread figured out how to resolve the issues raised today.

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-28-2007, 01:38

Governors need to be free to decide about their armies but the cities must be capable of paying for that armies if governors are to decide the fate of them. one member of the comunity, Konny, created a way to represent that by calculating how much of cities income could come to the republic and how much would stay for local powers, if you are interested , this would allow two kinds of armies, a local garisson and a republic one under the control of the magistrate of war appointed by senate in times of need

pezhetairoi

10-28-2007, 01:51

So...all hail Boru as the new Shophet? Or is this still premature?

NightStar

10-28-2007, 03:47

Darn, the only day I go out this week (Granpa's 80th birthday) and we got a shophet already

I was gonna cast my vote for Mago

Bootsiuv

10-28-2007, 04:23

I withdrew....I decided to run during a week that I'm not planning on welcoming another child into the world. :laugh4:

Thanks for your confidence though, friend. :yes:

Bootsiuv

Akhenaton

10-28-2007, 04:24

I would've voted for Boru, considering Mago is kinda busy...

pezhetairoi

10-28-2007, 05:01

well, Boru is now the Shophet, so yay! Now the first 8 turns shall begin.

Wolfman

10-28-2007, 05:12

Sorry I missed the meeting. Saturday is the day that me and my parents go out anyway so I kinda thought I would miss it anyway. So How was it?

Bootsiuv

10-28-2007, 05:25

A little chaotic to be honest, as I had foreseen...

I'm in the process of working on a revised constitution. I'll likely limit the number of props allowed per province, make the senator/governor relationship more important, try to increase governor power while maintaining playability, and a few other minor things.

Bootsiuv

madmatg

10-28-2007, 07:45

transcript of the meeting up to where i left not sure what else transpired
madmatg entered chat room '': Sat, Oct 27 17:05:10 2007
[17:05] <Your current permission level for this room is "Power User">
[17:05] <The room title is now "boru87 - 1">
[17:05] <sassem is now the host reflector for this group chat>
[17:05] <Voice chat now enabled (Highest quality)>
[17:05] <malikofsindh(Malik of Sindh) (Power User) has entered the room>
[17:05] MastaSpoofa: sp
[17:05] EB_Glenn: Hello Mr. Boru
[17:05] boru87: i think we should stay off the voice
[17:05] boru87: please
[17:05] MastaSpoofa: agree'd.
[17:05] Malik of Sindh: hello
[17:06] MastaSpoofa: i cant rly understand you anyway when you talk on the mic =P
[17:06] MastaSpoofa: its all fuzzy
[17:06] madmatg: aw
[17:06] madmatg: ok
[17:06] <Voice chat is now disconnected>
[17:06] EB_Glenn: No voice chat at all unless you wish our council to burn in the eternal hell fire
[17:06] <The voice chat server for this room has been stopped>
[17:06] Malik of Sindh: lol
[17:06] bootsiuv: i haven't recieved my 4 dollar paypal payment for a mike yet anyways
[17:06] madmatg: sotp that propaganda
[17:06] boru87: lol
[17:06] bootsiuv: lol
[17:06] MastaSpoofa: Mr.Gisgo wheres my paypal money transfer
[17:06] madmatg: llol you said you didnt want it
[17:07] madmatg: boots
[17:07] bootsiuv: i lied
[17:07] bootsiuv: heeh
[17:07] madmatg: bums
[17:07] MastaSpoofa: i need it too
[17:07] boru87: ok ok ok ok...time to get underway lol
[17:07] madmatg: its ok
[17:07] madmatg: i'm logging the chat
[17:07] bootsiuv: lol
[17:07] bootsiuv: yeah
[17:07] madmatg: so we can post it on the forums
[17:07] bootsiuv: k
[17:07] boru87: first order of the day
[17:07] Hasdrubal of Mastia: just raise your taxes
[17:07] EB_Glenn: How do you change your name?
[17:07] bootsiuv: yeah
[17:07] madmatg: clock on tools
[17:07] madmatg: then change your nickname
[17:07] madmatg: hasdrubal is credited with that
[17:08] madmatg: hehe
[17:08] EB_Glenn: IN A MOMENT WE WILL HAVE A DECLARATION OF IN CHARACTER ONLY
[17:08] Bomikar: yes
[17:08] madmatg: :P
[17:08] Bomikar: is everyone ready
[17:08] madmatg: i hate you all
[17:08] madmatg: no no
[17:08] madmatg: yes yes
[17:08] Bomikar: lol
[17:08] madmatg: im ready
[17:08] Bomikar: ok
[17:08] Malik of Sindh: yes,im ready
[17:08] Hasdrubal of Mastia: yes
[17:08] EB_Glenn: Well this isn't good
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: what
[17:09] madmatg: YSC is about to lose!
[17:09] madmatg: USC*
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: psh
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: everybody hates USC
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: they're overrated.
[17:09] bootsiuv: usc is the sux0r
[17:09] madmatg: yay death to USC!
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: cowboys ftw
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: sept we have a bye week this week
[17:09] madmatg: lol
[17:09] EB_Glenn: Testing testing testing testing Show My Fucking Message!
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: so no play
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: glenn it works finee nubbbb
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: =P
[17:09] Hasdrubal of Mastia: yes
[17:09] MastaSpoofa: brb
[17:09] Mago the Fat and Meaty: lol
[17:09] Hasdrubal of Mastia: it works
[17:09] madmatg: spoofa and glenn arethe only ones without names on my screeen
[17:09] Hasdrubal of Mastia: so waht next
[17:10] Mago the Fat and Meaty: how come my name wont chan g
[17:10] madmatg: it did
[17:10] madmatg: just doesnt show it on your screen
[17:10] Mago the Fat and Meaty: well thats gay as gay as gay can be
[17:10] Bomikar: its not a big deal right now everyone is here
[17:10] MastaSpoofa: oh, I need to change my name.
[17:10] Bomikar: we don
[17:10] Bomikar: 'need special names
[17:10] madmatg: ya duh
[17:10] madmatg: or we'll kick you out of the council!
[17:10] Hamalcar: there.
[17:10] Hamalcar: wait.
[17:10] madmatg: lol
[17:10] Hamalcar: hm
[17:10] madmatg: much better
[17:10] Hamalcar: k
[17:10] Hamalcar: .
[17:11] Hamalcar: whatever
[17:11] Mago the Fat and Meaty: the Fat and Meaty is my surname
[17:11] Bomikar: ok i am starting this meeting
[17:11] Hasdrubal of Mastia: good
[17:11] Bomikar: enough chatter
[17:11] Bomikar: our first order of business is final vote on sophet
[17:12] madmatg: hamilcar!
[17:12] Hasdrubal of Mastia: i vote BOMIKAR
[17:12] Mago the Fat and Meaty: i vote for bomikar
[17:12] Hamalcar: I VOTE HAMALCAR
[17:12] Mago the Fat and Meaty: btw I withdrew
[17:12] Mago the Fat and Meaty: I should probably say that
[17:12] madmatg: lol
[17:12] Mago the Fat and Meaty: lol
[17:12] Hamalcar: rofl.
[17:12] Bomikar: hahaha
[17:12] Mago the Fat and Meaty: my bad
[17:12] Mago the Fat and Meaty: new kid
[17:12] Mago the Fat and Meaty: heh
[17:13] madmatg: so then
[17:13] madmatg: wats the count now counting mail in votes??
[17:13] Mago the Fat and Meaty: lol....
[17:13] Mago the Fat and Meaty: bomikar
[17:13] Bomikar: so if u have withdrawn
[17:13] Mago the Fat and Meaty: your in charge here
[17:13] Hasdrubal of Mastia: we have a winner BOMI
[17:13] Hamalcar: lol
[17:14] Mago the Fat and Meaty: Bomikar is fine with me
[17:14] Hasdrubal of Mastia: AKA as the ASS
[17:14] Malik of Sindh: lol
[17:14] Bomikar: hello?
[17:14] Mago the Fat and Meaty: hello
[17:14] madmatg: we're here
[17:14] Hasdrubal of Mastia: yes so it say in biography
[17:14] Hanno: We should probably vote on the Shophet first though
[17:14] Hanno: Bomikar
[17:14] Mago the Fat and Meaty: I think bomikar won
[17:14] Hanno: See how long it took my message to get through?
[17:14] Malik of Sindh: Bomilkar
[17:15] Hanno: It took 37 messages before mine appeared
[17:15] Hasdrubal of Mastia: Bomikar
[17:15] Mago the Fat and Meaty: you've got some lag
[17:15] <malikofsindh(Malik of Sindh) has left the room>
[17:15] Mago the Fat and Meaty: hanno
[17:15] Hamalcar: Hanno i think your internet just really sucks
[17:15] Hamalcar: lol
[17:15] madmatg: :(
[17:15] Mago the Fat and Meaty: so does mine
[17:15] Hamalcar: mago i think your internet just really sucks
[17:15] madmatg: hanno does not have internet fool!
[17:15] madmatg: his pigeon is slow!
[17:15] Mago the Fat and Meaty: oh yea
[17:15] madmatg: fool!
[17:16] Mago the Fat and Meaty: no computers in bcs
[17:16] Hamalcar: lame pigeons
[17:16] Hamalcar: =/
[17:16] Hanno: I wouldn't call it some.
[17:16] madmatg: ok so did everyone here vote?
[17:16] Hasdrubal of Mastia: i vote for better internet connections first to build
[17:16] Mago the Fat and Meaty: although....im staring at a computer
[17:16] Mago the Fat and Meaty: lol
[17:16] madmatg: no your not!
[17:16] Mago the Fat and Meaty: i knew this would be hard
[17:16] madmatg: lo
[17:16] madmatg: l
[17:16] Bomikar: well then it seems i am sophet
[17:16] Mago the Fat and Meaty: hail wise bomikar
[17:16] madmatg: hail!
[17:16] Mago the Fat and Meaty: you shall set a wise precedent, yes?
[17:17] Hamalcar: an outrage!
[17:17] Hasdrubal of Mastia: haha
[17:17] Bomikar: oh really?
[17:17] Bomikar: and why is that?
[17:17] Hamalcar: I dunno, i just like talking.
[17:17] Mago the Fat and Meaty: cuz he was your opponent i assum
[17:17] madmatg: i hear the trojans lost pretty bad
[17:17] Hanno: I hope this isn't meant to be in character..
[17:17] Hasdrubal of Mastia: let's clean up our backyard first!!!
[17:17] Mago the Fat and Meaty: yes...the greeks
[17:17] <malikofsindh(Malik of Sindh) (Power User) has entered the room>
[17:17] Hamalcar: lol
[17:17] Hamalcar: XD
[17:17] Mago the Fat and Meaty: crushed them
[17:18] madmatg: its good that they are finally dead
[17:18] madmatg: i never liked them anyways
[17:18] Hamalcar: they arent dead.
[17:18] Mago the Fat and Meaty: but that was 1000 years ago silly fools
[17:18] madmatg: 2 losses = dead
[17:18] Bomikar: ok ok ok one thing at a time
[17:18] Hamalcar: they just moved to the italian penensula.
[17:18] Mago the Fat and Meaty: lol
[17:18] Mago the Fat and Meaty: were confusing our poor shophet
[17:18] madmatg: im trying to talk football in character fool
[17:18] madmatg: !
[17:18] Hanno: Because we're all talking about computers, greeks, and backyards..
[17:18] Mago the Fat and Meaty: lol
[17:18] Bomikar: well football is not a topic right now
[17:18] Mago the Fat and Meaty: hanno is perturbed by our indignations
[17:18] madmatg: i know thats why im talking about trojans
[17:19] madmatg: lol i can tell because hes not blabbing his mouth
[17:19] Bomikar: well i guess i shall do what i want!
[17:19] Mago the Fat and Meaty: condoms are hardly appropriate
[17:19] Mago the Fat and Meaty: no..no
[17:19] Hasdrubal of Mastia: btw are all our mods for this game sable now?
[17:19] Mago the Fat and Meaty: prop
[17:19] Hasdrubal of Mastia: stable
[17:19] madmatg: Bomikar take control
[17:19] Mago the Fat and Meaty: 1
[17:19] Bomikar: what is mod
[17:19] Bomikar: SILENCE
[17:19] madmatg: *draws back in silence*
[17:20] madmatg: so whats the deal
[17:20] Hasdrubal of Mastia: ...
[17:20] Hanno: Yes, Bomikar shall do what he wants, Gisgo shall call people fools, and everyone shall wonder about how our organisation went down the (out-of-character) fucking drain!
[17:20] Mago the Fat and Meaty: here
[17:20] Mago the Fat and Meaty: everyone have a list
[17:20] Mago the Fat and Meaty: that i provided
[17:20] Bomikar: i have heard my name called for sophet and so i shall take the reigns and lead our glorious nation
[17:20] Hasdrubal of Mastia: hamalcar did you already sit down yet :)
[17:21] Hamalcar: huh? oh yeah ive been sitting.
[17:21] Mago the Fat and Meaty: just say prop 1
[17:21] Mago the Fat and Meaty: and we say y or n
[17:21] Hasdrubal of Mastia: and hanno are
[17:21] Mago the Fat and Meaty: its easy
[17:21] Mago the Fat and Meaty: that way
[17:21] Bomikar: yea
[17:21] Bomikar: Strategic Proposal 1.2 - I [Hanno, Governor of Lepki] would advise to see two levies made in each city of Iberia, in Corsica, in Sardinia, and in Lilybaeum.
[17:21] Hasdrubal of Mastia: no
[17:21] Hamalcar: n
[17:22] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:22] Hanno: yes
[17:22] Bomikar: 3
[17:22] Bomikar: 2
[17:22] madmatg: n
[17:22] Bomikar: 1
[17:22] Bomikar: .5
[17:22] Bomikar: 0
[17:22] Bomikar: 1.2 is a no
[17:22] Mago the Fat and Meaty: :)
[17:22] Mago the Fat and Meaty: see, easy
[17:23] Bomikar: Strategic Proposal 1.3 - The city of Lepki will be given the highest priority for construction of choice in the year 272 B.C.E.
[17:23] Hasdrubal of Mastia: NO

[17:23] Bomikar: hold on
[17:23] Mago the Fat and Meaty: yes
[17:23] Bomikar: let me speak on this...
[17:23] Hanno: yes
[17:23] Malik of Sindh: yes
[17:23] madmatg: n
[17:23] madmatg: speaking?
[17:24] madmatg: i thought deliberation was over
[17:24] Mago the Fat and Meaty: the wise shophet wishes to address those present
[17:24] Bomikar: (well i see it as kinda in with put ports everywhere)
[17:24] Mago the Fat and Meaty: fair enough
[17:24] Mago the Fat and Meaty: i tried to meddle as little as possible, but your shophet now, so go for it....
[17:25] Hanno: I propose capital letters to the council!
[17:25] Hasdrubal of Mastia: walss should have priority!
[17:25] Bomikar: If funds promit
[17:25] Mago the Fat and Meaty: ippone should have priority
[17:25] Mago the Fat and Meaty: its a dead duck
[17:25] Hanno: You have had time to make proposals!
[17:25] Bomikar: after things are situated i shall see what shall be built where with imput
[17:26] Hanno: If they are not here then there is little you can do!
[17:26] Mago the Fat and Meaty: hannos right really
[17:26] Mago the Fat and Meaty: that was the idea anyways
[17:26] Bomikar: (one sec pause please brb in like 30 secs)
[17:26] Hamalcar: dead duck?
[17:26] madmatg: what the heck are we doin
[17:26] Hasdrubal of Mastia: next proposal please
[17:26] Hamalcar: you mean sitting duck? rofl.
[17:26] Mago the Fat and Meaty: dead duck as in it always gets conquered
[17:26] Mago the Fat and Meaty: no dead duck
[17:26] Hamalcar: ive never heard anybody say dead duck before
[17:26] madmatg: thats a sittign duck
[17:26] madmatg: dead duck means its worthless
[17:27] Mago the Fat and Meaty: not true
[17:27] Hamalcar: lol
[17:27] Mago the Fat and Meaty: you heard me use it just then
[17:27] Mago the Fat and Meaty: lol
[17:27] Hamalcar: Besides then smartass
[17:27] Hamalcar: lol
[17:27] Hanno: Right, well I have horses to attend soon so if this is going to die out please tell me now..
[17:27] Mago the Fat and Meaty: dude...lighten up, guy
[17:27] Mago the Fat and Meaty: he said he would be back
[17:27] Mago the Fat and Meaty: in 30 secs
[17:27] Bomikar: hold on
[17:28] Hasdrubal of Mastia: copy/paste
[17:28] Hamalcar: gah im so hungry =(
[17:28] Bomikar: ok
[17:28] Bomikar: can we meet again later?
[17:28] Hanno: I dont mean Bomikar I mean that we simply can't keep 7 players in order
[17:28] Mago the Fat and Meaty: i'm eating rieght now
[17:28] Hasdrubal of Mastia: no do this please
[17:28] Bomikar: hold on yes or no
[17:28] Hamalcar: to what
[17:28] Bomikar: a later time like an hour
[17:29] Mago the Fat and Meaty: i dont care
[17:29] Mago the Fat and Meaty: but poor sassem
[17:29] Hasdrubal of Mastia: Strategic proposal 1.4 – Peace with Epirus provided a payment for troubles caused [restitution] of at least 5.000 (10.000 is better) and Cartogaphy information.

[17:29] Bomikar: if ppl want to eat
[17:29] Hamalcar: y
[17:29] Hasdrubal of Mastia: yes
[17:29] Mago the Fat and Meaty: its lke 200 am
[17:29] Malik of Sindh: yes
[17:29] Mago the Fat and Meaty: there
[17:29] Mago the Fat and Meaty: or midnight
[17:29] Bomikar: oh shit
[17:29] madmatg: y
[17:29] Mago the Fat and Meaty: just go down the line
[17:30] Mago the Fat and Meaty: so those who need to go can go
[17:30] madmatg: i think we should even start to give some money to them in exchange for their continued fighting rome
[17:30] Hasdrubal of Mastia: are you write the vots down bomi?
[17:30] Hasdrubal of Mastia: no way
[17:30] Bomikar: yes for 1.2 so far but these proposals are not that black and white
[17:30] Mago the Fat and Meaty: dont worry...they're merely guidelines
[17:31] Mago the Fat and Meaty: you don't have to follow it word for word, and you won't be able to
[17:31] Mago the Fat and Meaty: its not possible
[17:31] Hasdrubal of Mastia: so 1.4 is
[17:31] Bomikar: i understand that
[17:31] Bomikar: alright here we go
[17:31] Bomikar: jus yes or no
[17:31] Bomikar: nothing else
[17:31] Bomikar: i will start
[17:31] madmatg: k
[17:32] Bomikar: trategic Proposal 1.3 - The city of Lepki will be given the highest priority for construction of choice in the year 272 B.C.E.(need to see again)
[17:32] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:32] Hamalcar: n
[17:32] Hanno: y
[17:32] Hasdrubal of Mastia: n
[17:32] madmatg: n
[17:32] Bomikar: its a no
[17:32] Bomikar: Strategic proposal 1.4 – Peace with Epirus provided a payment for troubles caused [restitution] of at least 5.000 (10.000 is better) and Cartogaphy information.
[17:32] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:32] Hamalcar: y
[17:32] Hanno: n
[17:32] Mago the Fat and Meaty: y
[17:32] madmatg: y
[17:32] Malik of Sindh: y
[17:33] Bomikar: (why waste that money)
[17:33] Mago the Fat and Meaty: we get the money
[17:33] Bomikar: oh i see it
[17:33] Bomikar: now
[17:33] Hasdrubal of Mastia: haha
[17:33] Bomikar: sorry read it wrong
[17:33] Mago the Fat and Meaty: np
[17:33] Bomikar: it is a yes then
[17:34] Bomikar: trategic Proposal 1.6 – building ports followed by the Construction priority to the economical growth of Karalis, Alalia and Lilibeo, by building trade centers, farms, and esecially mines in Karalis as soon as possible.
[17:34] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:34] Hamalcar: y
[17:34] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:34] madmatg: n
[17:34] Malik of Sindh: y
[17:34] Hanno: y
[17:34] madmatg: wait a second
[17:34] madmatg: nm
[17:34] Bomikar: agreement with yes?
[17:34] Hasdrubal of Mastia: nm?
[17:34] madmatg: i forgot we cnaceled the other similar proposal
[17:35] Bomikar: ok its a yes
[17:35] Bomikar: 7 is redundant
[17:36] Bomikar: trategic Proposal 1.8 - A small company of levies should be constructed by the cities of Kart-Hadast, Attiqa and Adrumeto, that can be kept between these three provinces.
[17:36] Hamalcar: n
[17:36] Hasdrubal of Mastia: n
[17:36] Malik of Sindh: n
[17:36] Mago the Fat and Meaty: y
[17:36] madmatg: y but only if the troops there now get shippped off
[17:36] Hanno: y
[17:37] madmatg: tie breaker from bomikar!
[17:37] Mago the Fat and Meaty: shophet tie breaker if need be
[17:37] Hanno: y but only if...
[17:37] Hamalcar: what doth thy shophet sayeth?
[17:37] madmatg: shut yo mouth hanno
[17:37] madmatg: lol
[17:37] Bomikar: does the council think we can support (realistically) the extra cost?
[17:37] Hamalcar: no.
[17:38] Mago the Fat and Meaty: hanno just woke up...let him have a cup first
[17:38] Mago the Fat and Meaty: it wil ease costs
[17:38] Mago the Fat and Meaty: no garrisons
[17:38] Mago the Fat and Meaty: in any of those cities
[17:38] Mago the Fat and Meaty: one garrison for all three
[17:38] Hamalcar: what?
[17:38] Hanno: Hanno woke up four hours ago!
[17:38] Hamalcar: The cities will rebel!
[17:38] Mago the Fat and Meaty: wow
[17:38] Hanno: Lepki won't
[17:38] Bomikar: no side chat
[17:38] madmatg: i vote no then
[17:39] Hanno: I vote no, but only if the cities will rebel
[17:39] Hamalcar: the cities current garrisons are fine.
[17:39] Bomikar: right
[17:39] Bomikar: all of these have troops
[17:39] Mago the Fat and Meaty: the cities current garrisons are bloeated
[17:39] Hanno: But I vote yes if they don't rebel, right Gisgo?
[17:39] Mago the Fat and Meaty: bloated
[17:39] Hamalcar: send Gisgo the professional soldiers in Atiqa and send some of that field army to the west into atiqa as garrison
[17:40] Hanno: That is a new proposal
[17:40] Hamalcar: problem solved.
[17:40] Mago the Fat and Meaty: fair enough...it lost, so shall we move on
[17:40] Hanno: And needs to be created in the council thread
[17:40] Mago the Fat and Meaty: :)
[17:40] Hamalcar: nah
[17:40] Hamalcar: i was just showing a possible solution
[17:40] madmatg: gogo
[17:40] Hamalcar: not a formal proposal
[17:40] Bomikar: i will just do what seems right
[17:41] Hanno: Well then there is no need for this then is there?
[17:41] Bomikar: no jus for that
[17:41] Bomikar: not everything
[17:41] Bomikar: i can't see the game
[17:41] Bomikar: right now
[17:41] Mago the Fat and Meaty: its all good....
[17:41] madmatg: lol i thought taht was why we were using xfire in the first place?
[17:42] Hanno: So did I
[17:42] madmatg: so everyone is in game and using hte ingame chat function
[17:42] Bomikar: well right now i got a lot of stuff goin on around me lol
[17:42] Bomikar: so yea
[17:42] madmatg: lol ok
[17:42] Hasdrubal of Mastia: keep going bomi
[17:42] madmatg: let us contiue please good shophet
[17:42] Bomikar: Strategic Proposal 1.9 - For my province I [Gisgo, Governor of Ippone] would like permission and troops from the senate to move south of my city and take the region south of Ippone.
[17:42] madmatg: y
[17:42] Malik of Sindh: y
[17:42] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:42] Mago the Fat and Meaty: y
[17:42] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:43] Hanno: nm
[17:43] Hamalcar: y
[17:43] Bomikar: its a yes
[17:43] Bomikar: Strategic Proposal 1.10 - Along the lines of proposal 1.8 i say that roads be built in as many provinces as possible as this will allow the forces in proposal 1.8 to better defend out homeland from any threats that do come!
[17:43] madmatg: y
[17:43] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:43] Malik of Sindh: y
[17:43] Hamalcar: y
[17:43] Mago the Fat and Meaty: y
[17:43] Hanno: If you said no to 1.8, this is made very invalid...
[17:44] Mago the Fat and Meaty: just build roads....moving on
[17:44] Bomikar: true but i did not say that yet
[17:44] Bomikar: roads are important anyway
[17:44] Bomikar: Strategic Proposal 1.11 - The fleet near Alalia should be the only one not disbanded with the first turn.
[17:44] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:44] Hamalcar: n
[17:44] Malik of Sindh: y
[17:44] Hanno: y
[17:44] madmatg: n
[17:45] Hasdrubal of Mastia: n
[17:45] Hanno: y
[17:45] madmatg: wait what happneend to the other proposal about navys?
[17:45] madmatg: it was really early on
[17:45] Mago the Fat and Meaty: gone
[17:45] Mago the Fat and Meaty: redundant
[17:45] Bomikar: i see no
[17:45] madmatg: so if we disband any fleet we can only do this one?
[17:45] Bomikar: no it is
[17:45] Hanno: No it is what?
[17:45] madmatg: suxor
[17:45] Mago the Fat and Meaty: prop = no...we dont keep it
[17:46] Bomikar: right
[17:46] Mago the Fat and Meaty: it gets disbanded
[17:46] Mago the Fat and Meaty: moving on
[17:46] Bomikar: the one fleet that should stay is one experienced one
[17:46] Mago the Fat and Meaty: :)
[17:46] madmatg: agree
[17:46] Mago the Fat and Meaty: 1.22
[17:46] Bomikar: Strategic Proposal 1.13 - Constructing civilian ports where the local terrain allows it should have priority over all but the most urgent of needs.
[17:46] Hanno: diasgree
[17:46] madmatg: y
[17:46] Hanno: y
[17:46] Hamalcar: y
[17:46] Mago the Fat and Meaty: y
[17:46] Malik of Sindh: y
[17:46] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:46] Hanno: y
[17:47] Bomikar: That is a yes
[17:47] Bomikar: Strategic proposal 1.14 - Encourage growth in Alalia and build up military facilities to support future operations.
[17:47] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:47] Hanno: n
[17:47] Malik of Sindh: n
[17:47] Hamalcar: n
[17:47] Hasdrubal of Mastia: n
[17:47] Hanno: n
[17:47] madmatg: n
[17:47] Bomikar: ok its no
[17:47] Bomikar: Strategic proposal 1.15 - Concentrate all currently availible offensive forces on taking north-west Africa asap.
[17:48] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:48] Malik of Sindh: n
[17:48] Hanno: n
[17:48] Hanno: n
[17:48] madmatg: n
[17:48] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:48] Hamalcar: n
[17:48] Hanno: n
[17:48] Bomikar: its a no, i feel this will be a hot topic later on hehe ;)
[17:49] Mago the Fat and Meaty: i hope so
[17:49] Mago the Fat and Meaty: thats the idea
[17:49] Bomikar: Strategic proposal 1.16 - Therefore I propose the building of walls in Bocchoris, Alalia, Karali and Ippone.
[17:49] Hasdrubal of Mastia: aaargh
[17:49] Hanno: yargh
[17:49] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:49] Hanno: n
[17:49] Malik of Sindh: y
[17:49] madmatg: n
[17:49] Hanno: n
[17:49] Hamalcar: n
[17:49] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:49] Hanno: n
[17:49] Malik of Sindh: hanno always doble votes lol
[17:49] madmatg: lol
[17:49] Bomikar: lol
[17:50] Mago the Fat and Meaty: triple votes...eager young lad
[17:50] Bomikar: please try and keep it to one
[17:50] Malik of Sindh: yes,i meant triple
[17:50] Bomikar: thank you :)
[17:50] Bomikar: not just ippone?
[17:50] Hanno: I'm sorry, it's just so exhilirating this voting on our nation's future
[17:50] Hasdrubal of Mastia: iponne y
[17:50] Mago the Fat and Meaty: hehe
[17:50] Mago the Fat and Meaty: y
[17:50] Mago the Fat and Meaty: for ippone
[17:51] Mago the Fat and Meaty: but the prop lost
[17:51] Mago the Fat and Meaty: we can discuss the merits of walls around ippone later
[17:51] Bomikar: well i am sugesting something else
[17:51] Mago the Fat and Meaty: ok...go for it
[17:51] Bomikar: then we don't have to
[17:51] Mago the Fat and Meaty: kk
[17:51] Hanno: You are very abstract
[17:51] Bomikar: ok?
[17:52] Mago the Fat and Meaty: im opening hte council thread up right after this meeting
[17:52] Hanno: What do you think?
[17:52] Mago the Fat and Meaty: for strategic talk
[17:52] Bomikar: how that gonna work
[17:52] Bomikar: if i need to do my turns
[17:52] Hanno: You tell me
[17:52] Bomikar: and everyone changes stuff around?
[17:52] Mago the Fat and Meaty: no....
[17:52] Hanno: We don't know do you?
[17:52] Mago the Fat and Meaty: no changing around....the talks are led by the shophet
[17:52] Bomikar: ok
[17:52] Mago the Fat and Meaty: you can ask advice
[17:52] Bomikar: ok
[17:53] Mago the Fat and Meaty: i see no harm
[17:53] Bomikar: got ya
[17:53] Mago the Fat and Meaty: :)
[17:53] Hanno: This Shophet is like a fine Assyrian -doormat-!
[17:53] Bomikar: Strategic proposal 1.17 - Therefore I propose we raise taxes all over our glorious empire.
[17:53] madmatg: Y
[17:53] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:53] Hamalcar: y
[17:53] Mago the Fat and Meaty: y
[17:54] Hanno: y.................................................................................
[17:54] Malik of Sindh: y
[17:54] Bomikar: have a problem hanno?
[17:54] Hanno: No, I was being silent
[17:54] Bomikar: ok
[17:54] Bomikar: Strategic proposal 1.18 - I [Hamalcar, Governor of Lilibeo] must requesition the forces from Atiqa, along with one company of Numidian Cavalry from Kart-Hadast itself, to be sent on a voyage to sicily to bolster my forces there, before they sail though, I ask that we train one company of Dorki Leebi-Feenikim Mookdamim (Liby-Phoecians) in Aqita or Kart-Hadast to be sent along with them, to ensure victory.
[17:54] Hanno: y?
[17:54] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:55] madmatg: n
[17:55] Hasdrubal of Mastia: n
[17:55] Hamalcar: y
[17:55] Hanno: y? n
[17:55] Hamalcar: you bastards....
[17:55] Bomikar: its a no
[17:55] madmatg: after kirtan!
[17:55] Mago the Fat and Meaty: yep
[17:55] Mago the Fat and Meaty: wait till the next one
[17:55] Hanno: Did Mago vote yep or n?
[17:55] Hamalcar: its a no
[17:55] Hamalcar: regardless of his vote
[17:55] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:55] Hamalcar: 4/7 = no
[17:56] Bomikar: Strategic proposal 1.18 - I [Hamalcar, Governor of Lilibeo] must requesition the forces from Atiqa, along with one company of Numidian Cavalry from Kart-Hadast itself, to be sent on a voyage to sicily to bolster my forces there, before they sail though, I ask that we train one company of Dorki Leebi-Feenikim Mookdamim (Liby-Phoecians) in Aqita or Kart-Hadast to be sent along with them, to ensure victory.
[17:56] Bomikar: sorry
[17:56] Hanno: y x n = n
[17:56] Hamalcar: didnt we justdo that?
[17:56] Hamalcar: oh lol
[17:56] Bomikar: Strategic proposal 1.18 - I [Hamalcar, Governor of Lilibeo] must requesition the forces from Atiqa, along with one company of Numidian Cavalry from Kart-Hadast itself, to be sent on a voyage to sicily to bolster my forces there, before they sail though, I ask that we train one company of Dorki Leebi-Feenikim Mookdamim (Liby-Phoecians) in Aqita or Kart-Hadast to be sent along with them, to ensure victory.
[17:56] Hamalcar: lol
[17:56] Bomikar: wtf
[17:56] Hamalcar: we just DID that
[17:56] madmatg: lo
[17:56] madmatg: n00b
[17:56] Mago the Fat and Meaty: technical troubles
[17:56] Bomikar: Strategic proposal 1.19 - I [Hamalcar, Governor of Lilibeo] also ask that our elephants be kept in our service until at least after I have Syracusai.
[17:56] Hanno: Didnt we already just do that?
[17:56] Bomikar: i am tryin to eat too
[17:56] Hamalcar: y
[17:56] Bomikar: lol
[17:56] madmatg: n
[17:56] Hasdrubal of Mastia: n
[17:56] Mago the Fat and Meaty: no food in the council hall
[17:56] madmatg: actually no vote from me
[17:56] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:57] madmatg: im abstainning from this
[17:57] Malik of Sindh: n
[17:57] madmatg: strike my no
[17:57] Hanno: |\|
[17:57] Mago the Fat and Meaty: sorry spoof
[17:57] Hamalcar: ye ole bastards.
[17:57] Hamalcar: YE
[17:57] Mago the Fat and Meaty: youll get them back
[17:57] Hamalcar: Baal shall smote ye all.
[17:57] Bomikar: i see no
[17:57] madmatg: you can keep them as pets
[17:57] madmatg: on YOUR ow nmoney
[17:57] Hamalcar: Ye shall be eaten by monkeys in the sahara
[17:57] Bomikar: mago no is correct
[17:57] Mago the Fat and Meaty: lol
[17:57] Mago the Fat and Meaty: yes
[17:57] madmatg: im sure theres enough corruption in your province to fun them
[17:57] Bomikar: thank u
[17:57] madmatg: fund*
[17:57] Hasdrubal of Mastia: give them to bomi he cvan eat them too
[17:57] Hamalcar: NEVER
[17:57] Hanno: yes
[17:58] madmatg: next
[17:58] Bomikar: 1.22 redun
[17:58] Mago the Fat and Meaty: they should go to bomikar or be disbanded...but i digress
[17:58] Hanno: yes
[17:58] Hamalcar: disbanded.
[17:58] Mago the Fat and Meaty: not really
[17:58] Bomikar: why
[17:58] Mago the Fat and Meaty: its the one we wanted
[17:58] Hamalcar: Id rather see them in my service then in the hands of a nother.
[17:58] Bomikar: right
[17:58] Hanno: yes
[17:58] Bomikar: so we sait yest to it
[17:58] madmatg: disband
[17:58] Hanno: yes
[17:58] Mago the Fat and Meaty: good
[17:59] Bomikar: Proposal 1.25 - Take Kirtan,Siga,Lixus and Sala in Mauritania.
[17:59] madmatg: n
[17:59] Hanno: yneos
[17:59] Hasdrubal of Mastia: y
[17:59] Mago the Fat and Meaty: n
[17:59] Mago the Fat and Meaty: it's also redundant
[17:59] madmatg: yes
[17:59] Hamalcar: n
[18:00] madmatg: it is redundant i mean
[18:00] Bomikar: alright
[18:00] Bomikar: gone
[18:00] Bomikar: then
[18:00] Mago the Fat and Meaty: yeah
[18:00] Mago the Fat and Meaty: we know were we want to go
[18:00] Mago the Fat and Meaty: we'll take kirtan
[18:00] Mago the Fat and Meaty: and improve economy
[18:00] Mago the Fat and Meaty: and syracuse will wait
[18:00] Mago the Fat and Meaty: agreed
[18:00] Mago the Fat and Meaty: ?
[18:00] Hamalcar: wait for a month.
[18:00] madmatg: i dont like it
[18:01] Mago the Fat and Meaty: what
[18:01] Hamalcar: kirtan then syracusai
[18:01] madmatg: i think take kirtan and then ship the troops to Syrakusa
[18:01] Hamalcar: in quick sucession.
[18:01] Hamalcar: there is no in between
[18:01] Malik of Sindh: isn't kirtan dirt poor?
[18:01] Hamalcar: yes.
[18:01] Mago the Fat and Meaty: yes
[18:01] Mago the Fat and Meaty: useless
[18:01] Mago the Fat and Meaty: but everyone wants it
[18:01] Malik of Sindh: why?
[18:01] Mago the Fat and Meaty: and ippone is threatened
[18:01] Hamalcar: but i suppose there are some who would like to see land area over cash in the coffer.
[18:01] madmatg: does anyone read my posts?
[18:01] Malik of Sindh: i want iberia
[18:01] Hanno: No
[18:01] Hamalcar: IBERIA IS fOOLISH
[18:01] Bomikar: hold it
[18:01] Bomikar: stop
[18:01] Bomikar: stop
[18:01] Bomikar: stop
[18:01] Malik of Sindh: what about mines?
[18:01] Hamalcar: stop
[18:01] Hamalcar: stop
[18:01] Mago the Fat and Meaty: go
[18:02] Hamalcar: no
[18:02] Hanno: Proposal 1.54 Who reads Madmatg's posts?
[18:02] madmatg: we take kirtan to allow a buffer for ippone from rebels since it is so close
[18:02] Malik of Sindh: noone
[18:02] Mago the Fat and Meaty: i see
[18:02] madmatg: we can sell all building there and just leave people enough to not erbel
[18:02] Hanno: n
[18:02] Hamalcar: we should hurry.
[18:02] Bomikar: if this is not gonna work i am not gonna wast time i am not tryin to be a jerk or anything but yea
[18:02] madmatg: i agree with hamal
[18:02] Hamalcar: mi padre es cooking el hamburger on el grill
[18:02] Hanno: I agree with Bomikar
[18:02] Mago the Fat and Meaty: we're done
[18:03] Mago the Fat and Meaty: were just talking now
[18:03] Hamalcar: we're already done?
[18:03] Bomikar: we need voice to RP
[18:03] Bomikar: i can'
[18:03] Bomikar: read anything
[18:03] Bomikar: to much typing
[18:03] Hamalcar: voice?
[18:03] Mago the Fat and Meaty: wait
[18:03] Hamalcar: hah
[18:03] Mago the Fat and Meaty: const. props
[18:03] Mago the Fat and Meaty: 123
[18:03] Hamalcar: my 15 year old voice is hardly becoming of a 22 year old Hamalcar
[18:03] madmatg: so then we done?
[18:03] Bomikar: so what
[18:03] Bomikar: idk
[18:03] Hanno: Not really, I'd say our roleplay is done
[18:03] madmatg: peace out im on the way to the football game
[18:04] Hanno: And so is our constitution
[18:04] Hamalcar: .. what?
[18:04] Mago the Fat and Meaty: i know...
[18:04] Bomikar: no its not
[18:04] Mago the Fat and Meaty: what do you mean
[18:04] Hamalcar: O.o what are you talking about hanno
[18:04] madmatg: yall have a good one
[18:04] madmatg: peace out!
[18:04] Mago the Fat and Meaty: later
[18:04] Bomikar: later
[18:04] Hamalcar: sooner.
[18:04] Hasdrubal of Mastia: bye
[18:04] madmatg: i cant leave unless you say goodby hanno
[18:04] madmatg: :(
[18:04] Hanno: I know
[18:05] Mago the Fat and Meaty: hanno
[18:05] Hanno: Goodbye
[18:05] madmatg: yay!
[18:05] madmatg: lol
[18:05] Mago the Fat and Meaty: lol
[18:05] madmatg: goodnight
[18:05] Mago the Fat and Meaty: later
[18:05] Hasdrubal of Mastia: haha
[18:05] madmatg: or morning or whatever time it is
[18:05] Hamalcar: HOW many different ways are you going to say BYE?!
[18:05] <Disconnected from server>
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Ag3nt_Magnum

10-28-2007, 08:15

madmatg

10-28-2007, 09:43

i think from prior discussion on the voting issue we were accepting votes from both the thread and the live chat thigny right?

Sassem

10-28-2007, 12:04

Ok, first of all I'm sorry I couldn't attend the live meeting. Secondly, I'm sorry everyone voted "no" on 1.14. How could you ??!!! Thirdly, I'm sad that the noble Hasdrubal has not made my votes know to the councill, as I comunicated them to him the same day. Or are only those who attend allowed to vote ?

I also want to congratulate the new sophet, and may his wise rule bring benefits to us all.

A somewhat sad senator of Alalia

Yes I know sorry but it was a little mess so i decided not to double post (vote) cause it was already a little bit confusing for our poor Boru :yes: because he was (m)e(a)eting at the same time

I think the best way for not voting live is just to post Y/N with the proposal numbers in front of it

As for a new proposal system my opinion is

1 strategic proposal for buildings for your OWN city

And the BIG army movements the tactical proposals should be put up only by the governors with a max of 3 at the time and they has to be totally different like going north or east and will stay for at least 3 terms/6years before we can change it except for emergency's so that we don't have to discuss this every term

In other words the governor(s) and Senators of the same province has to talk to each other before they decide to post a proposal in the council for there city

It looks also less silly when you see disagreements between senators and governors from the same city in the council people have just to take more care for there own area in stead of that from others

pezhetairoi

10-28-2007, 12:50

Alright, fellas, just to inform you I am going back to the army camp for the week so as far as the Council is concerned I have gone back to Ippone to supervise my estates. I will not be back until Friday evening. However, I might get some time off on Tuesday and Thursday evening to come back home where I have access to the Org (my phone internet browser cannot process php), so I may be able to make a speech or two now and then. But that's not a guarantee, depends on whether my commanders want to give the company the night off, so let's just assume I won't be back till Friday evening for now. It'll be my last five-day absence from the Council, so no worries!

Leão magno

10-28-2007, 13:17

i think from prior discussion on the voting issue we were accepting votes from both the thread and the live chat thigny right?
Yeas it was assured before since it will be dificult to have such meetings whit everyone! So, shall we vote or not? Shall the first rounds wait for the new constitution and new proposals?

Bootsiuv

10-28-2007, 17:42

I think Boru said he wanted to start anew. I have to talk to him today. Regardless, it probably won't take him that long to play 8 turns....assuming there are no battles, he could realistically finish his term in like 45 mins.

I'll speak with him later, and we'll decide what we want to do.

Sorry for the confusion. As I've said before, this process is essentially as new to me as it is to you, so I'm ironing out problems as they're encountered.

Bootsiuv

Leão magno

10-28-2007, 23:48

Do not worry, it is still our beta :)

Bootsiuv

10-29-2007, 19:01

I must apologize for the delay. Boru and I were discussing rules yesterday, and I was supposed to eat dinner and retun online.

However, my wife was having pains, so I took her up to the hospital to be safe. False Alarm, apparently.

So, once again, I do apologize for the delay. This week might be a little hectic for me, but this weekend things should be getting back to normal. I ask that you bear with me, and we'll likely do an accelerated term next, so we can stay close to schedule.

Don't worry guys....I think Boru and I have developed a system which will prove much funner for our govs.

Stay tuned....

KuKulzA

10-29-2007, 20:26

I must apologize for the delay. Boru and I were discussing rules yesterday, and I was supposed to eat dinner and retun online.

However, my wife was having pains, so I took her up to the hospital to be safe. False Alarm, apparently.

So, once again, I do apologize for the delay. This week might be a little hectic for me, but this weekend things should be getting back to normal. I ask that you bear with me, and we'll likely do an accelerated term next, so we can stay close to schedule.
take it easy man, real life is above leisure

Don't worry guys....I think Boru and I have developed a system which will prove much funner for our govs.

Stay tuned....
sounds great :2thumbsup:

Leão magno

10-29-2007, 23:32

No need to rush...

Sassem

10-30-2007, 00:33

Ow guys this is assume this will be a major development for this game

somebody wrote:
this is gonna be the best thing for this game

and are you curious now me to :laugh4:

Bootsiuv

10-30-2007, 01:34

I've been looking into our own private forums, with the help of our Shophet, Boru. :yes:

I'm setting it up right now, and I will provide a link to the site when it's up and running.

This will give us many more options, as we now control an entire forum. Elections can now be done by poll, and we don't have to worry about hogging up EB's forum space. It only takes a second to register, so I do hope all players will join us there.

To those who just like to read along, it won't be private to view, but posting will be prohibited to players in the game, except for the general comment thread, which will be open to anyone.

I'm also going to create a zip file which contains all of the 'official fixes' we may need, including the disaster fix, and the unofficial client sally fix.

Busy, busy. :beam:

Stay tuned....

Bootsiuv

Akhenaton

10-30-2007, 02:50

Great job Bootsiuv. I think ya'll are doing extremely well. I just hope I can keep up to standards, but I'll have so much more time after this week, it'll just be awesome, and I'll be able to do more stuff.

Bootsiuv

10-30-2007, 03:31

Great...this week is a little for metoo. I do hope you'll be active....remember, activity will grant governorships.

So if you want a province to call your own, activity is good. :yes:

Bootsiuv

Xtiaan72

10-30-2007, 03:59

Guys,

Just wanted to chyme in and say that I was one of the people reading along. Obviously a lot of people are because this thread has a ridiculous amount of hits for a topic that has been up for two weeks.

I hope you keep the game on this forum! After all, you are using EB to play the game and they set up an AAR forum to encourage this sort of thing. I was looking forward to screenshots and story updates. Brilliant characters guys...Looking forward to seeing these rivalries develop.

Nice work getting it off the ground! But won't you attract more new players and a bigger audience by keeping the game here?

Bootsiuv

10-30-2007, 05:38

Well, I thank you for reading along with us. Why not join, and take ten minutes of your time every few days to play along?

Anywhoo, I would keep the game here, but there are a few caveat's which make a private forum favorable.

1. I don't have mod powers here, and I find them useful.

2. In reality, I would like 7-10 threads for this game, with polls every week. That would simply hog up too much of this forum, and I don't want to take away from the wonderful stories of others.

That being said, I do plan on doing a 'history of' thread here, where I'll link to various events, so lurkers can read along.

Also, there will be a link in the OP of this thread, and anyone is welcome to come and view, but only players will be able to post in most threads.

I will have a general comment thread open to everyone, so I do hope you'll continue to read along. Having these kinds of options may make for a more enjoyable game, and I do hope to have 30+ players eventually....right now we're sitting at about 10 very active, and another 7-8 pretty active, with 2-3 who hardly post at all.

This is really not a big deal, guys. It's a game. Why not join in? It's not like it will take that much of your time. Surely, you can sacrifice a few minutes every other day. :yes:

Bootsiuv

pezhetairoi

10-30-2007, 13:20

Well, I am fully for the separate forums. Definitely a lot better than a chaotic voting procedure. Even the Roman mob had voting queues. :D Just give me the URL, and I'll register as soon as I can! Like, Thursday or Friday evening.

Wolfman

10-30-2007, 23:18

Same Here