Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[Admetos]

Hmm. I'm not sure about the map. I wanted to have an extension of the current EB map, but I think we had some problems with it.

About links in the first post, unfortunaly I can't do anything about that, but I'll have a word with Malik.

Anyway, thanks for the support.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

As expected, most impresive work! When will we see the elephants?:toff:

[Admetos]

Did we not already preview some? I'll have a quick look.

EDIT: It seems we posted some pics a while back, but the elephants and crew have been massivly updated since then. In fact, I think the actual models aswell as the skins were changed. So, I'll see what I can do about an elephant in the next preview.

[The Persian Cataphract]

This is remarkable. I have never seen such a fleshed out Indian infantry roster. My congratulations to you and your continued success :bow:

[Admetos]

Thanks TPC. Like we've always said, we're trying to make this as near to the legendary EB as we can, so we're trying to give each faction as large a roster as we can/is historically correct.

[Bactron]

Amazing work, really neat units.

[Malik of Sindh]

Thank you.

The links to the previews are now in the first post.

[socal_infidel]

Not to be annoying-question guy...but...

What factions are planned to receive attention new-units-wise? I would imagine that for most of the shared EB-factions the same units will be used. And I would imagine that, in addition to the Indian factions, factions like the Wusun Empire and the Yuehzi would need all-new units.

But what about factions like the Bosporan Kingdom, Pergamon, Cyrene? Is the plan to use the regionals available to comprise the bulk of their unit rosters or will they be receiving additional units, as well?

Well that's it. This is a fascinating project. One I look forward to. Keep up the great work!:2thumbsup:

cheers
s_i

[Admetos]

Don't worry about the questions, I rather enjoy answering them.

I think the Yeuzhi will be use some existing nomad units, plus receive some new ones to flesh out the roster. Same with the Wusun I guess. Bosporas I guess will be using existing KH units, the Bosporan archers already in game, plus some new elites. I think it would make sense for Pergamon to use the guide lines that the EB team set out in their Pergamon preview for EB2. I'm not entirely sure about Cyrene. Possibly a mix of new units and some existing KH ones? I'll bring it up internally.

Once again, thanks for the support, and if you do have questions, don't hesitate to ask.

[beatoangelico]

impressive, grats :2thumbsup:

[Son of Perun]

Wow, great work AtB team:2thumbsup: . I'm not sure to which mod I'm looking forward more, AtB or EB2:laugh4: .

I'm not sure, but I think Cyrene was still using the chariots around this time so that could be a nice faction unit.

[Tobolight]

Wow! great work.

[Khazar_Dahvos]

Hey I was wondering if ancyra in galatia will have a celtic settlement. I already know the Galatians are not to be included but I was curious as to what culture that city will belong to since the galatians are the only celtic region besides tylis and scourcow that is on the map.:inquisitive: Sorry I had to ask it has been bugging me for several weeks now because I has of lately been doing extensive celtic research on their migrations, warfare and such!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great mod by the way cannot wait to play and keep up the awsome work

[Malik of Sindh]

It will be greek because the celtic culture is not included.

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

What cultures will be in the mod, then?

I would guess: E-greek, W-greek, roman, nomad, eastern and indian.
Does this seem plausible?

By the way, good work, guys! Looking forward to next preview!

[svramj]

What cultures will be in the mod, then?

I would guess: E-greek, W-greek, roman, nomad, eastern and indian.
Does this seem plausible?

By the way, good work, guys! Looking forward to next preview!

Exactly :beam:

[russia almighty]

So, are those men in bronze cuirasses?

Uh, I thought during this period scale and chain was the armor of choice, or this is a greek influence?

[svramj]

So, are those men in bronze cuirasses?

Uh, I thought during this period scale and chain was the armor of choice, or this is a greek influence?
Yes, They are Bronze cuirasses.....

Chain armor was not abundantly used during that period...
Tribes based armies never wore armor
while professional guild based armies wore scale armor
the royal kingly armies who belonged to the warrior caste (Ksatriyas) wore bronze cuirasses....no greek influence

We represent India like no other mod....our map includes the whole of India....with three major Indian factions of the Period

[Maion Maroneios]

There is actually a way to mod in more than 6 religons (cultures, in your case):yes:

[svramj]

There is actually a way to mod in more than 6 religons (cultures, in your case):yes:
There is also a seventh Chinese culture.....

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

I thought the last cultures was Semitic, for the Saba and the Nabateia?
But if it is indeed Chinese, than it only include the Wusun, right?

[Malik of Sindh]

There is also a seventh Chinese culture.....
I didn't know that?

Wusun should be steppe nomads?

[Admetos]

Indeed, I don't remember anything about a Chinese culture.

[Malik of Sindh]

So it should be Semitic, Indian,W.Greek, E.Greek, Eastern, Steppe and Roman? I think we already said there won't be Roman culture, so now I'm confused :dizzy2:. Does anyone on the team remember the cultures we're including?

[Admetos]

We are so organised... :sweatdrop:

-Indian
-Eastern
-Steppe
-Semitic
-Western Greek
-Eastern Greek

[svramj]

:wall: :sweatdrop: knew nothing of that...after-all my job is to make models....

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Hey guys, I have a small request: could you make my old dream come true, and create chariots with 4 horses for the seleucids and pontus? My PC is too lame to do it myself :(

[svramj]

Hey guys, I have a small request: could you make my old dream come true, and create chariots with 4 horses for the seleucids and pontus? My PC is too lame to do it myself :(that won't be historically accurate.....Indian factions will have 2 different 4 horse chariots....Seleucids can recruit them in case the conquer Indian regions

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

that won't be historically accurate.....Indian factions will have 2 different 4 horse chariots....Seleucids can recruit them in case the conquer Indian regions
Yes it is historically accurate, the Scythed Chariots in EB (which are persian style, not the same as indian) should already have 4 horses, but the EB them did not include because they thought it was complicated. Well it's not.
Here's the proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythed_chariot

The scythed chariot was pulled by a team of four horses
other mods has include it as well
https://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6600/scythedchariots4ie6.jpg https://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1153/seleucidempire3ht.jpg and in models:
http://img240.imagevenue.com/loc180/th_02735_RIMG0225a_122_180lo.jpg (http://img240.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=02735_RIMG0225a_122_180lo.jpg)
And if you don't know how, here's the instructions:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59453&highlight=Chariot+4+horses
So, please?

[svramj]

thanks for the info....its not difficult....we'll do it if possible...i mean, we have permission to use EB units....but donno if we can edit them....if we can....you'll surely see them rolling with 4 horses....

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

YES! Thank you :iloveyou:

[Jurdagat]

I don't know much about the Scythed Chariots, but I just need to point this out...
Using wikipedia as a source for historical questions isn't very popular, since it's very unrealiable on that subject.

If wikipedia says something about this or that, it can be wrong.

I have no knowledge on the chariots matter, and 4 horse chariots where most likely most common for all I know.

Just wanted to warn about using wikipedia as a source. :)

[V.T. Marvin]

I certainly am no expert on the subject matter of the scythed chariots, but my common sense tells me that a scythed chariot drawn by four horses in a row as on this picture: https://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6600/scythedchariots4ie6.jpg
is highly improbable, becuse the four horses one beside another are WIDER than than the span on the axle-scythes thus negating their effect. It would make much more sense to have the chariot and its horses rather narrow in order to allow for exploiting any gaps in th enemy line and cut the by-standing soldiers by th scythes. Therefore I am inclined to think that either there were only two horses to chariot or that four horses were arranged in two pairs in a tandem... :2cents:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Well let's have another example: http://img140.imagevenue.com/loc1145/th_92774_2scythed_chariot_in_color3_122_1145lo.jpg (http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=92774_2scythed_chariot_in_color3_122_1145lo.jpg)

you may be able to see that the horses are closer to each other and in a narrower position than the horses of that mod. You can also see that the wheels of the chariot are a bit wider, so the horses are not in the way.
Simply put, that mod didn't made them right, they should be tighter.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Bump. Any news guys?

[Spizania]

Id be a bit worried that the Seleucids and the like will get steamrollered by hordes of War Elephants... since the Mauryan empire had thousands of the things

[abou]

Out of curiosity, how are things going with the map? Syria isn't going to be just Antioch, is it?

[keravnos]

I hope you have some news for us. Any news will do.
Thanks!

[Malik of Sindh]

Well, almost everyone is on vacation, including myself. We shoudl start working again in a few weeks.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Well, almost everyone is on vacation, including myself. We shoudl start working again in a few weeks.
Please DO come back. I don't wanna see another mod die.

[Athkara]

Don't worry, we're not dead; I'd be working on the map right now, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to navigate through photoshop in Chinese:dizzy2:.

[AlexanderSextus]

Pratradhaka Ksatriya (Ksatriya Heavy Spearmen)




YO!!!! They look SERIOUS! :devil::pirate:These guys are gonna be BEASTLY!!!!! :evil3:

[Uranos]

Don't worry, we're not dead; I'd be working on the map right now, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to navigate through photoshop in Chinese:dizzy2:.

What exactly is your problem?

[Athkara]

The fact that I can't read Chinese fluently; I'm in Taiwan now so i don't access to my English photoshop. This is why I should have gotten a laptop...:wall:

[Fondor_Yards]

Just found this, very impressive looking, will definitely dl this and play when it's done.

[Tellos Athenaios]

The fact that I can't read Chinese fluently; I'm in Taiwan now so i don't access to my English photoshop. This is why I should have gotten a laptop...:wall:

Yeah but photoshop has a very strict order in which the various tools/settings are present right? So you ought to be able to do simple stuff like picking a colour? [If you know your photoshop, that is.]

[AlexanderSextus]

soooooooo.... how far east is the map gonna go exactly?

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

soooooooo.... how far east is the map gonna go exactly?
Bangladesh. Look at the first post.

[AlexanderSextus]

Bangladesh. Look at the first post.

It does say in the first post that more of the east is gonna be included that what is in the map on the first page.

[svramj]

guys I think we had a good vacation...and we need to get back....:yes:

[Athkara]

Yeah, but I'm still gone till the end of August...


About the map; it will extend as far as the borders of Warring States China.:yes:

[keravnos]

Any chance that the "Terracota army" of the Qin makes it to AtB?

[AlexanderSextus]

Yeah, but I'm still gone till the end of August...


About the map; it will extend as far as the borders of Warring States China.:yes:

4 REAL!? 4REAL?!?! So China's gonna be in AtB???? at least, like a piece of it? W00T W00t!!!!!:2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

[||Lz3||]

Any chance that the "Terracota army" of the Qin makes it to AtB?

If there's no terracota army I wont even try this :shifty:

[QUOTE=AlexanderSextus]4 REAL!? 4REAL?!?! So China's gonna be in AtB???? at least, like a piece of it? W00T W00t!!!!![QUOTE]

I think he meant the map will end where china begins :sweatdrop:

[AlexanderSextus]

If there's no terracota army I wont even try this :shifty:

[QUOTE=AlexanderSextus]4 REAL!? 4REAL?!?! So China's gonna be in AtB???? at least, like a piece of it? W00T W00t!!!!![QUOTE]

I think he meant the map will end where china begins :sweatdrop:


they could put like 1 city and make it eleutheroi, skinning maybe 3 chinese units for that particular city like they did in EB for india. :idea2:

[Athkara]

Wow. I just say 'China' and everyone goes crazy...:dizzy2:

Sorry about getting people's hopes up.:laugh4:

To clarify, the map will end more or less where the kingdom of Qin (the western-most of the Warring States) begins. However, since China's borders weren't a straight, horizontal line - and in order to include SE Asia and more of the steppe - the map does happen to include the location of a major Chinese city of the time, Chengdu in modern Sichuan.

But the city will not be included for several reasons:
-To represent the population density would require more than one city
-With just one city there, it would be all too easy for a faction to conqure Chengdu and then use it to move between SE Asia and the Steppe, completely rediculous as it would require the conquest of Qin - the most powerful kingdom in China at the time - in reality
-Other areas of the map can use another city

Now for what will be included:beam:;

In the north, cities in the Gansu corridor will be included, as it was dominated by local tribes and nomads (such as the Yuezhi) until the end of the 2nd cent BC when the Han dynasty began expanding west. Essentially the map here ends at the great loop of the Yellow River.

In the south, SE Asia will be included in order to help occypy the Indian factions a bit. The msot notable power there would be the kingdom of Dian, which occupied much of modern Yunnan province in China. Here the map ends at the mouth of the Red River


And no, there will be no terracotta army - it didn't exist until more than 40 yers after our start date, and the map does not extend to its location.


I'll try to get an updated pic of the overview map up soon, really...:sweatdrop:

[Pinkkiller]

great work :2thumbsup: keep it up :beam: and is there any chance that this will be finished this year?

[svramj]

Hopeful about that, coz we have to do the map and a lot of coding. not sure. may be or may not be. but we won't let it die

[chairman]

Hey, would you guys like any help? I volunteered over at EB2, but no one responded to me, so I'm willing to help out here. This sounds like a great idea.

Chairman

[Admetos]

Thanks for the offer chairman, we can always use help. If you can PM me telling me what kinds of things you can do, I'll get straight back to you. Of course, it dosen't matter if you can only do the smallest thing, and help is fantastic.

[Hax]

It is an honor to work together with you guys :bow:

[anelious phyros]

Hello, I am from the Old WotD team. Unfortently because of the merging the team has split.....
But I am here to help. (kush historian and skinner)

Sweet indians units!!

[Intranetusa]

Didn't the Mauryan Empire not extend to the South or Sri Lanka while extending into Pakistan and Afghanistan? I dunno...wut's the timeline?

[Hax]

The game starts in 260 BC. I'm not really sure concerning the extent and power of the Mauryan Empire. You'd have better luck asking svramj or Athkara, they are specialists on Maurya.

[svramj]

Didn't the Mauryan Empire not extend to the South or Sri Lanka while extending into Pakistan and Afghanistan? I dunno...wut's the timeline?

Mauryans did not extend their empire to the south or srilanka...In the south there were the Pandyan's who were a long time great allies of the Mauryans so it was left unconquered

[Intranetusa]

Mauryans did not extend their empire to the south or srilanka...In the south there were the Pandyan's who were a long time great allies of the Mauryans so it was left unconquered

Yeh that's what I meant.

My "didn't not..." must've sounded like a double negative :dizzy2:

[Pinkkiller]

hmm so how is this proceeding? :smash:

[Hax]

Happy to say that we are working on it very hard now.

[Athkara]

Here's a bit of a (long overdue:sweatdrop:) map update showing our base radar map so everyone can see the fulll extent of the AtB map.

https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3586/radarmap2qb7.jpg
(I know this isn't much -- but think, if we just feed our starving fans tini bits of info it'll make them love us, right?:beam:)

[Visitor13]

Whoa, you mean the map will include Indochina :dizzy2: ?

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Wa ha, you'll need more factions to represent all the area.

[anelious phyros]

So am I ever going to be able to skin something for you guys or what?:rolleyes4:

[Visitor13]

^ What, they missed your offer :inquisitive:?

[svramj]

^ What, they missed your offer :inquisitive:?
No No....we are not


So am I ever going to be able to skin something for you guys or what?:rolleyes4:

Anelious we have got a lot of Xiongu/Wusun units to be made and its you who will skin them.....

[||Lz3||]

why you didn't go all the way to china? hehehe

[satalexton]

they did already, just touching the south-eastern edge of china's political (and military) influence. If they went any further east, the mod would need A LOT more unit slots....

[Malik of Sindh]

ignore

[||Lz3||]

there are a lot more unit slots in alex.exe :smash:

doesn't matter really , it's looking great! I honestly want to try it the day it goes out :beam:

[Athkara]

there are a lot more unit slots in alex.exe :smash:

Yeah... but then there's the little thing where I don't have Alexander...:embarassed:...


Anyways, here's another little map update; the radar map in-game showing all factions' starting positions (still a wip).:egypt:

https://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4021/0182iq3.jpg

[CarolvsAntonivs]

Wow, it looks awesome, can't wait to see the results. I like the idea of many hellenistic kigdoms such as Bosphoran, Pergamun, Atropatene, etc. Keep working guys!!! :balloon2: :2thumbsup:

[Pinkkiller]

hmm where is Wusun on that map? :book:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

nevermind

[CaesarAugustus]

Hello AtB team, I have been following this mod and am happy to see your new map... that being said are you sure it is worth having all those extra regions in Indochina without any faction to represent them? It seems to be kind of a waste of province slots in my opinion, even though I see the potential for some interesting Maurya expansion by the AI (and human player) into Southeast Asia, India's influence on the region was primarily cultural and not military. That being said, if there are enough province slots to accurately represent the population of the map including Indochina, and unit slots to represent a few local units for recruitment (in Tibet too), all the better. :) If not, well, why not move the map slightly westwards so that the edge borders the tip of that neon green faction (Wusun?). I am aware that it is still a WIP, so I will leave it to your much, much better judgement.

Oh, and can you please consider setting one or two unit slots aside for Chinese Qin mercenaries? Please?:beam:

[iberus_generalis]

i second to that!=)
Me would love to see chinese units, i wont ask for a chinese faction for the unused faction slot...but it would be awesome to have some chinese units running around=)
even a faction idea would be that far off, china is almost at the edge of the map=P

[Admetos]

@CarolvsAntonivs - Thanks alot for the support. We really appreciate it.

@Pinkkiller - Missing, evidently. As was said, it's a WIP so I'm sure it'll be there soon. I'll have a word with Athkara and get him to update it.

@CaesarAugustus - Thanks for the support Caesar. As has been said, Athkara is in charge of the mapping side, but I'm sure if we're in need of extra provinces, South East Asia will definetly be the first place we take them from.

It's not really my area of expertise, but I'm fairly sure there'll be no Chinese mercenaries.

[Athkara]

OK, now to answer some questions;

First, Wusun is there on the map, they're the dark blue faction in the upper right -- the bright green one is the Yuezhi. If you count, there are 19 factions on the map, + the Romans as emergent, which makes 20.:yes:

As for SE Asia, the closest thing to faction material there would be the kingdom of Dian in modern Yunnan provence, which was quite isolated -- famously, when they first encountered envoys from the Han dynasty, the king of Dian asked them which was larger, Han or Dian:inquisitive:. But overall, Dian just isn't as important as our other factions.

Moving the map west as CaesarAugustus suggests would end up including Illyria and about a third of Italy - something that we're not going to do. As it is, the eastern extent mannages to include all of the Gansu corridor in the north, and provides some more space for the northern steppe factions to expand into. The inclusion of SE Asia is a result of that and will hopefully help to slow down Mauryan expansion.

About Chinese mercs, I don't think that'll be very likely as I've yet to see any information about Chinese soldiers hiring themselves out as mercenaries beyond the borders of China proper at the time. A more historical choice for mercs from around NW China would be the 'barbarian' tribes of the region, such as the Rong, Di, and Qiang which had heavy Chinese influence. We'll be representing them, to give the Yuezhi another source of infantry.


Thanks to everyone for showing intrest.:2thumbsup:

[teh1337tim]

hey athkra- im pretty sure the qiang and rong have nearly identicle millitary structure and units to the chinese armies of this period (hell it was the warring kingdoms era) so im pretty sure chinese copied/influenced units can be recruited from them :)

1- secure ur borders
2- wage war-
3- trade with other nations of little value
4= win..or epic phail

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

1- secure ur borders
2- wage war-
3- trade with other nations of little value
4= win..or epic phail
5- ????
6- PROFIT!

[Uranos]

Unless you guys get the permission to use all the stuff - units, pics, traits, names and all the rest from the Three Kingdoms TW mod: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=264
imo you better cut the eastern part of the map till the India and concentrate on the rest factions - it could speed up the release date pretty much. China can be added in future releases :wink:

[Admetos]

China isn't getting added. The area we have got isn't priority and won't slow us down.

[teh1337tim]

hehehe well i know i'll be downloading this mod next to EB when its rdy (you better make Eb playable!) :furious3::shame:

Btw the yuezhi should have similar calvalry to what China has since they fought many many wars
(border raids, invasions etc) and chinese horse archers (with bows, not crossbows) are armed in the same way as "barbarian riders"

Just a question tho, when this comes out- Is there gunna be a faction thats closely built around chinese units.. if not i'll need to conquear the world again with the new megas alexandros!!!!:smash::egypt:

[Andronikos]

Nice to hear som news. What is the third Indian faction besides Pandya and Maurya?

[Malik of Sindh]

Satavahana. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satavahana - not much, but you'll get the idea of it.

[svramj]

For Those who are not sure of the factions of AtB here is the list

----Existing EB factions----
Arche Seleukeia
Baktria
Hayasdan
As'Sab'yn wal'Jau
Makedonia
Senatus Populusque Romanus
Pontos
Pahlava
Saka Rauka
Ptolemaioi

----New AtB factions----
Maurya Saamraajya
Pandiya Nadu
Saathavaahana Janya
Wusun
Yuehzi
Pergamon
Bosphoros
Atropatene
Nabataia
Kyrene

[CaesarAugustus]

Moving the map west as CaesarAugustus suggests would end up including Illyria and about a third of Italy - something that we're not going to do. As it is, the eastern extent mannages to include all of the Gansu corridor in the north, and provides some more space for the northern steppe factions to expand into. The inclusion of SE Asia is a result of that and will hopefully help to slow down Mauryan expansion.

Actually I meant more that the easternmost portion of the map to the Yuezhi border could be cut off, and the additional province slots used to add more regions to the (smaller) existing map. But now that I see that it adds more expansion opportunites for the AI (a Yezhi-Tibetan "faction" would be interesting). And southeast Asia, might indeed slow down Mauryan expansion, provided that they are able to put up some resistance... Maybe something along the lines of Satres in EB's noricum-province. Yes, that would probably do quite nicely to prevent them from steamrolling the southern Indian factions and Seleukids' eastern provinces.

I do not know very much about the east, but I am happy to see that there were sinicized Rong, Di, and Qiang barbarians which you will be representing. I promise not to press the issue after this so as not to become annoying, but as the map does enroach on Qin's westermost border, maybe, just maybe, you would consider adding a few units represent a Chinese expansionist empire's military presence after 221BC? (Kind of like the Yuezhi invasion in EB) Provided of course that there are a few unit slots to spare... And I won't ask about China again. Promise.:yes:

Another thing I was wondering, are the Himalayas going to be near impassable? Maybe even impassable (for armies) like the Sahara in EB? Is there any unit planned at this stage for a unit(s) in the Himilayas? and Southeast Asia? and Tibet?

[Admetos]

Maybe something along the lines of Satres in EB's noricum-province. Yes, that would probably do quite nicely to prevent them from steamrolling the southern Indian factions and Seleukids' eastern provinces.

It's too early to say really. If it happens that that's what's needed, the yeah, probably. But as I said, we can't really predict what the AI is going to do yet.


I promise not to press the issue after this so as not to become annoying, but as the map does enroach on Qin's westermost border, maybe, just maybe, you would consider adding a few units represent a Chinese expansionist empire's military presence after 221BC? (Kind of like the Yuezhi invasion in EB) Provided of course that there are a few unit slots to spare... And I won't ask about China again. Promise.


The differnce is though, the Yeuzhi are Steppe nomads that were migrating, the Qin are an empire that aren't. So we can't represent the the expanisionists taking regions, which isn't a problem with the Yeuzhi as they are nomads.


Another thing I was wondering, are the Himalayas going to be near impassable? Maybe even impassable (for armies) like the Sahara in EB? Is there any unit planned at this stage for a unit(s) in the Himilayas? and Southeast Asia? and Tibet?

The Himilayas will be completely impassable; part of the same province as the Saharan and Arabian deserts.

[lobf]

What happened to Pharnakes?

[||Lz3||]

What happened to Pharnakes?

dissapeared without a trace <.<

in the twilight zone... :scared:

[Admetos]

What happened to Pharnakes?

Good question.

[Pinkkiller]

hmm haven't seen any updates for some time so gotta ask...how is this proceeding?:smash:

[Malik of Sindh]

Very well. We are proceeding much faster now.

[Pinkkiller]

that's good :beam:

[Pinkkiller]

...any new preview soon? :juggle2:

[Malik of Sindh]

Maybe :yes:

[Malik of Sindh]

Hey all AtB fans. We have another little unit preview. Chariots and elephants.



Yuddha Rathah(Imperial War Chariots)
https://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6563/ksatrawarchariotscopycp1.gif
Rathah or a Chariot is an important part of Mauryan or any Indian army, considered next only to the Gajah or Elephants. After the Elephants the Chariots formed the major role in any Indian army. Any battle depended on the Elephants and Chariots. The Chariots of India were totally different from the Greek or Persian once. The Indian chariots were heavy onces built using tough quality wood and coated over the wood are metal sheets and are highly decorated, making them Heavy. Chariots such as these are pulled by 4 or evem more horses and carry 4-6 men crew. The 4 horses themselves are lightly armored. The crew shoot out arrows using their longbows perfectly even when the chariot is moving at high speeds. The chariot is also faster compared to others because of being pulled by 4 horses.

Historically Chariots such as these existed prominantly in India and dates back even to the Iron age. Mentions of these chariots are discribed even in the greatest Epic of Mahabarata. Though there is not enough proof of their existence in the Vedic period. Yet there are mentions of these chariots in the Ajanta caves and edicts of Arthashaasthra. Mauryans and other great kingdoms of India used chariots such as these extremely well. And the use of these chariots in the 3rd century BC are clearly stated in Pulavar Magan - A Story of a Poet turned Warrior of the Pandyan Kingdom, in which mentions about the chariots of this time period, Their perfomance in war are stated as a poem. These Chariots were ultimate machines of Indian War-Craft.

Yuddha Gajah (Imperial War Elephants)
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Elephants were an Integral part of any army of the Mauryans and other Indian Kingdoms and Tribes. The Yuddha Gajah are war elephants trained and maintained by the Ksatriyan families of the Empire. These elephants are better trained than the elephants of the tribes for large scale wars, hence don't run amok easily. Elephants are mounted with a tower at their backs. The tower carries 2-3 archers. The Tower itself is decorated and covered at the top showing the material prowess and also providing a sunscreen to the archers. The rider used the Elephant itself as a weapon to toss, gore and stomp enemies.

Historically these type of elephants existed in the core part of the Mauryan empire were the Saamraat had direct influence and Ksatriyas were dominant. Significant difference between the Elephant troops of the Tribes and Ksatriyas are the training and way of using them in war. Ksatriyas usually arched from the towers while the Tribes usually threw their bamboo javelins. These Imperial elephants were trained to fight on most ground and better at open plains, the tribes on the other hand trained elephants to fight better even at dense forests. Even used Elephants to surprise the enemy by ambushing. These type of elephants were contained in India.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.



And, an improved model of the mace wielding elephant.



Gadhaikonda Yaanai (Mace Wielding Elephant)
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Gadhaikonda Yaanai or a Mace Wielding elephant as translated from tamil are specially trained elephants. The fittest and heaviest elephants are hand picked by the Kings own supervision and trained to carry a heavy load and also to wield a heavy mace to attack enemies and enemy elephants with ease. The elephant also is armored specially with a single sheet of metal of 1-2 inch thickness and have swords attached to them, making the elephant really a force to beware of. A Huge tower is mounted on the backs and carries 3-5 men. The most experienced men are those whoe train and ride the elephant to the battle field.

Historically this highly trained elephants were prominent in south India throught the Dravidian regions and Kingdoms like the Pandyas and Cheras were finansially fit enough to afford such king of elite king of elephant troops. Pandyas and Cheras were the best when it comes to Elephant warfare. Several stocks of such elephants were used in wars. These elephants also carried large amount of supplies duing war. Other elephants usually fear to get on to these king of elephants by the sight of appearence.

[keravnos]

Amazing news. Congratulations on your progress!

[Hax]

:bow:

If I weren't ill this week, I could finish the EDU and DMB, but alas..

[Tellos Athenaios]

That'll be a sight to behold, when we see those units in action. :2thumbsup:

[Hax]

I personally love the mace-wielding elephants. Man, if we could have an animation which makes the elephant swinging the mace. Now, THAT would be cool.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

MIND=BLOWN

[svramj]

I personally love the mace-wielding elephants. Man, if we could have an animation which makes the elephant swinging the mace. Now, THAT would be cool.


Yeah, And for the Yuddha gajah too..If we could have a sitting archer animation, It would be more perfect, sadly :no: none of us know to animate...:help:

[Pinkkiller]

good units :yes:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Yeah, And for the Yuddha gajah too..If we could have a sitting archer animation, It would be more perfect, sadly :no: none of us know to animate...:help:

What about the original EB animator? Did you ask for his help?

[Aemilius Paulus]

*Sight* I wish the EB team would switch from the pointless EB II to Asia ton Barbaron! *another sight*

[Foot]

My god you're inconsiderate, Aemilius. Yes, yes EBII is going to be exactly the same as EBI - only differences will be all the differences. Not only that, but you are actually insulting the AtB team as you think they can't do just as good a job as the EB team.

So yes, thanks for calling all our many hours of work on EBII "pointless". Its good to know that we are appreciated.

Foot

[Aemilius Paulus]

My god you're inconsiderate, Aemilius. Yes, yes EBII is going to be exactly the same as EBI - only differences will be all the differences. Not only that, but you are actually insulting the AtB team as you think they can't do just as good a job as the EB team.

So yes, thanks for calling all our many hours of work on EBII "pointless". Its good to know that we are appreciated.

Foot

So sorry :embarassed:!!! However, by no means am I insulting AtB team, it is just that one of the main problems in the creation of any mod is manpower. I consider EB the most populous RTW out there and yet I am sure that the EB team could use a couple of people. That's why it would be nice if AtB got more people working on it.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

HURR DURR criticism is bad and you should feel bad HURR DURR
Foot
Foot, you're [really] annoying. The guy just said he care more about AtB right now then EBII, it doesn't mean we don't appreciate your work and thankful for the time you invest on it.
Take it easy.

[Foot]

He called EBII "pointless". It wasn't criticism, he was actually saying that the work I've been doing is pointless.

And you need to control your language. You're the one who needs to take it easy.

Foot

[keravnos]

If only you guys had known...
Once you do, a lot of things that you would say right now, would probably be printed and then eaten.

So, please, don't assume we are just RE-Doing EB. We don't. It would be pointless if all you would get was a prettier "more of the same". It really would be. As to how worse EB II might be, heck it isn't even out yet, and you really don't know where we are going with it.

@Aemilius Paullus,
Worst case scenario, there will always be EB 1 (insert latest version of EB 1 here). Copy its installation file in a dvd drive and you are good to go for many years to come.

Don't think I don't understand you. I have been there. Waiting for a great sequel to come out and then see it go down in flames. However, I feel perfectly safe in trusting the vision of the best of us (Foot and others). He isn't our Lead developer for nothing.

Besides, I don't see how you stand to lose out of this deal. We haven't charged you a cent and we won't ever (although if you want to put your money where your mouth is, we could use some donations, as the cost of the server comes directly out of our and your pockets.).

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/donations.html

As such, we feel that is the vision of the best of us that we should follow, not just stop development of EB, because someone said we should, and focus on a different area for the same reason.

AtB guys are doing a wonderful job and I wish them all the luck in the world. So far as EB II is concerned, you just have to wait and see. EB 1 that by your admition is the best game you have played, took 4 years and the talent and drive of many people to happen. I don't think that EB II will take as long, but I also don't think it will disappoint.

[svramj]

Yeah I should say this to EB and AtB fans I had chance to see some goodies of EB II some where at TWC, I should say it was a really good work, I just saw 2 or 3 images and it took me to awe, and as far as the AtB is considered we got our Inspiration from EB. And we always try to emulate the EB team, Such an inspiration it gave us. And our team has a great gratitude towards EB, they gave us exclusive permission to use their elements. Perhaps, AtB inherits most of its elements from EB itself.
I should mention Keravnos here, he has been helping us a lot right from the begining of the mod, I've been here at AtB quite a while and I surely must thank him on behalf of the team. :yes:

[Pinkkiller]

hmm I am sure both AtB and EBII will be great :2thumbsup:
end of that discussion..:P

[Hax]

Hear, hear!

And to keravnos: even though I joined quite recently (about half a month ago), I read all the stuff you did for AtB, so a great thanks from me as well :bow:, especially on the cities.

[Visitor13]

:elephant:

This is my most awaited mod for RTW :yes:

[chairman]

We're glad to hear that there is so much enthusiasm for both AtB and EBII. Thanks Visitor 13! Both teams are working hard, and I personally know that AtB has some really great stuff that we will eventually show in more previews like this last one. The fans' continued patience and support is very appreciated.

Chairman

[Pinkkiller]

progress? :smash:

[||Lz3||]

patience... at least they have regular updates...

(ejem ejem more than 2 months since the last EBII preview (not counting the article in TWC)

[Foot]

What? The video doesn't count?

Foot

[||Lz3||]

wow hadn't seen that hehehe :sweatdrop:

I take back my words...

still... patience is the key isn't it?

[Pinkkiller]

ok..and regular.. that depends what you mean :beam: yup patience is the key thought I lack of it :laugh4:

[Malik of Sindh]

The map in first post updated.

[Pinkkiller]

good map :2thumbsup: wusun ain't black anymore..would say it is grey lol

[gamegeek2]

Sv, can I mod in AtB units to use in my AAR?

[chenkai11]

......waiting......patience......waiting......patience......

ok I will play this first :juggle2:

nice map

[gamegeek2]

Yeah, for some reason everyone but me seems to be being lazy right now. I bet sv isn't, though. Because he's awesome like that.

A :balloon2: for sv for his amazing work.

[svramj]

Sv, can I mod in AtB units to use in my AAR?

Yeah you can use them, your ARR will be Previewing some of the AtB stuffs....:yes:


Yeah, for some reason everyone but me seems to be being lazy right now. I bet sv isn't, though. Because he's awesome like that.

A :balloon2: for sv for his amazing work.

And Yeah...the team is proceding slow now...We have a bunch of units ready but not yet modded in EB so i'd like to better see them modded in-game before I complete the Wusun list..

[AlexanderSextus]

soooo there are going to be Tangut (Qiang) units in AtB??

In the movie Mongol the Qiang looked to be almost EXACTLY the same as the Chinese. Was that Accurate???

[satalexton]

well, chinese is not a real ethnicity. But certainly the Qiang people look different to the Han people, tho I daresay the difference is suttle at first glance. The Qiang people are still around today in China mind u.

[gamegeek2]

WE ARE STILL LAZY. I intend to sit down and do a good hour or two of work on the mod tomorrow. Who's with me?

[svramj]

WE ARE STILL LAZY. I intend to sit down and do a good hour or two of work on the mod tomorrow. Who's with me?

Me and Hax....Hax has started if i'm not wrong....

[Andronikos]

Nice to hear some progress. I would like to help too. So whom should I PM if I want to help with AtB? If there is some job.

[Viking_Wårlord]

WE ARE STILL LAZY. I intend to sit down and do a good hour or two of work on the mod tomorrow. Who's with me?

Håhåhå,I'm with you:):egypt:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Say, are you gonna include religions in the mod? I think it would be a cool idea.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

If you still working on the mod, you could use Blue Lotus indian city model for AtB indians, check it out:
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[Ibrahim]

those Tulwars must be made of Awesome!:clown:

but I might have to disagree with using blue lotus' models: the buildings may not reflect the time period in question, and hence innacurate.

just me 2cents...

[Skullheadhq]

Walls are awesome!

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Get to work already guys.

[Aemilius Paulus]

but I might have to disagree with using blue lotus' models: the buildings may not reflect the time period in question, and hence innacurate.

just me 2cents...

You're right, but until the AtB team comes up with something different, that might just have to do eh? I mean its better than having the generic RTW Eastern or even Roman/Greek cities.

[Ibrahim]

You're right, but until the AtB team comes up with something different, that might just have to do eh? I mean its better than having the generic RTW Eastern or even Roman/Greek cities.

guess you have a point.:shrug:

[Copperknickers]

Tulwar swordsmen? I was expecting a historical classical asia mod and i find soem ridicoulous fantasy mod!

Edit: O that was from Blue Lotus, that's ok then. BTW, the Dravidians were dolychocephalic (long headed). I can help with any India units, and write soem descpritions if u want.

[Subotan]

I'm relatively new to these fora (Is that the plural of forum?), so I only discovered this yesterday. I'm not particularly fond of the idea of trawling through 22 pages of stuff, although I do realise that the first post reflects the current status of the mod, I'd like to ask a few queastions:
1. What year does it start (I think I heard 260 BC at one point)
2. The Mauryan Empire looks like it will flatten everything it's path. Would a Tibetan/Burmese/Thai/Khmer faction be in order?
3. Should the Sauros be included, to help balance out the Pontic Steppe, along with the Bosphorous? It would mean less modelling would be required...
4. I presume Ethiopia/Sudan/Dacia/Greece will be as hard as nails to crack?
5. The Caucasus looks very crowded... I think a removal of Atropatene for another Indian faction would help control the Mauryans better, because you already have Pergamon putting extra pressure on the Seleukids, and the Arche would implode faster than you could say "Rebellion", and India looks dominated by the "Gangreen" (I made that up on the spot)
6. Would it be possible for me to help in some way? I know nothing about modelling/programming, although I'm good with my geography and finding sources.
7. Why is this not stickied/made into a subforum yet?


Say, are you gonna include religions in the mod? I think it would be a cool idea.
I can think of
Hellenism
Zoroastrianism
Hinduism
Buddhism
Paganism

I think it would get in the way, since the Hellenes were quite tolerant of Indian/Persian religions, and vice versa.

[gamegeek2]

Zoroastrianism was certainly an influence on Christianity and Judaism, and vice versa. It was the advent of missionaries and religious bigotry that messed it up. Religion was not as conflicting in the AtB time period.

There are three Indian factions, the Sathavana (sp?), the Mauryans, and the Pandyans.

Atropatene and Nabataea were important regional factions, our focus on Asia mandates their inclusion. The Sauromatae weren't all that important, at least compared to Bosporas, which has plenty of more accurate sources. We will use the EB Sarmatian units.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

So you're back to work then?

[Hax]

Indeed.

[Malik of Sindh]

I'm back! My computer died a few weeks ago and I had no way of contacting you guys. I don't remember my private forum password, and can't register a new account cuz the email is already in use...

[gamegeek2]

Yay Malik! Nabataea's certainly gone through a LOT of updates, have you checked the forums yet?

[Atlon]

This thread and mod is genius!

Would you please consider creating units inspired by Mongol/Chinese/asian armies?

If you will, then I have found some pictures that may inspire you. Though some of these may be out of the game's timeframe, they are not that different from those used within the timeframe (and most unit models in even the most historically accurate mod is necessarily based on a certain amount of guessing).
Notice the Mongol "deel" (robe), a traditional clothing commonly worn for many centuries among the Mongols and other nomadic tribes of Central Asia like the Turks which also and can be made from cotton, silk, or brocade (also the chinese use robes for men in the army like illustrated by the terracota army). The introduction of a robe, as well as an armored robe (AND a sabre), in the mod will add to it's oriental atmosphere.
Furthermore, these units should NOT be limited to horse riders, but should also be infantry men. Even though it may be a "historically accurate" fact, that for example the Mongols mainly where horse riders, even the Mongols (or any other steppe people for that matter) would have to have infantry to conquer a city. Often, these steppe people armies developed as they conquered, giving them knowledge and capability to train new unit types and copying new stiles of armor, weapons and tactics (AND siege equipment).
This capability for each faction to "develop as they conquer" seems inadequate in EB (especially for lesser civilized factions). Even though the Saka later can train medium and heavy infantry, these are complete copies of greek infantry, which is very unlikely to ever have been that factions main medium and heavy infantry (but more mercenary units). It is far more likely, that the Saka, who already know how to make good quality armor weapons, later would realize the significance of infantry units and "UNMOUNT" some of their cavalry men (yet maybe adapting certain tactics and weapons/shield forms from outside infantry).

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If you are interested in some asian-themed music, I can also offer that. Yet I do not know how to upload music files.

[Aper]

:elephant::elephant::elephant:
I have some sort of fascination for mongols... :laugh4:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

I don't think so, Tim.

[Ibrahim]

stuff


nice pics there!

sadly, they are out of the time period (or area) of AtB. afterall, most of the clothes here (and panoplies) are 13th century or thereabouts. plus, some of those guys are chinese(terracotta army)-I doubt that they'll be in the mod.

just another 2cents thrown in there.

[deeterrocks101]

Hey guys mod looks fantastic, especially the indian factions. I wanted to know how much you guys have completed, not an exact date or anything, but a tentative time this year that you might release this mod and what percentage of it is done? if that cannot be done, then thats fine. Ill just have to wait :2thumbsup: Oh yeah also, do you think that instead of making the roman faction emergent, you could make it playable and have it only have control of one or two regions to the west of the map? I think that might make people happy so that they can play the romans on this kind of map. please consider this stuff. thanks.

[Mediolanicus]

It's not a matter of making people happy... There were no Romans outside of Italy in 270BC.

I'm curious about the progress too though. Playing the mod as you are planning it would make me more than happy enough!

[gamegeek2]

We have completed the Indian factions. Right now I'm putting the final touches on Nabataea, including finishing the unit roster.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

We have completed the Indian factions. Right now I'm putting the final touches on Nabataea, including finishing the unit roster.

Fuck yeah preview when?

[Hax]

I dunno, I hope soon!

[gamegeek2]

I'll ask sv for permission to do the Indian preview...seems like he's busy atm

[Ibrahim]

well, I'm looking foraward to the previewing of the latest indian units; been watching this as of late, and I really like the concept.:yes:

[oudysseos]

Jest wondering if, since this is for BI, you had given any thought to including religion in AtB? Just a quick look at your faction list has sparked some interesting possibilities.

As far as culture groups go you should be fine (these are just my guesses):
Arabian for Saba and Nabatea
Hellenic for your seven Greek factions
Indian for Maurya, Pandya and Satavahana (it's a bit generic)
Nomadic for Wusun, Yuezhi and Saka (even though they are three different language groups)
Persian for Parthia, Pontus, Atropatene and Hayasdan
Roman for, well, the Romans.
That's only six so you have one to play with if you want to make the Tamil Pandyas look different from the Aryan Mauryans, or to make the Wusun or Hayasdan unique. Portraits are gonna be tough for some of these: the BI nomad and hun portrait groups are probably a good resource (you can preview them by checking your org CP and editing your avatar).

Religion is another kettle of fish. There's a theoretical limit of 10, a soft limit of 9 (otherwise the graphics display get effed up) and I have always understood that only the first three religions actually impact public order. This is not so bad actually: first off unless you drop a player faction you can't have loyalty or FMs rebelling. Secondly although people back then were very religious in the sense of personal piety, sectarian political strife was less prevalent than it is today:embarassed:.

'Religion' of course could be used for other concepts: political systems, social demographics, language groups and so on. Anyway here are a couple of ideas.

To Hellenikon
This is a big umbrella concept that stands for Greek identity or Greekishness.
Makedonia, Pergamon, Ptolemaioi,Bosporos, Arche Seleukia, Baktria, Cyrene
Propogated by Greek cultural structures (theatres, festivals, schools)
Herodotus 8.144
τὸ Ἑλληνικὸν ἐὸν ὅμαιμόν τε καὶ ὁμόγλωσσον καὶ θεῶν ἱδρύματά τε κοινὰ καὶ θυσίαι ἤθεά τε ὁμότροπα, τῶν προδότας γενέσθαι Ἀθηναίους οὐκ ἂν εὖ ἔχοι


Imperium
This represents a Roman 'manifest destiny' of conquest, something that would have been well established by the time they emerge onto this map.
Roma
Propogated by Roman government structures, roads, aqueducts
In ancient Rome, imperium could be used as a term indicating a characteristic of people, the wealth held in items, or the measure of formal power they had. This qualification could be used in a rather loose context (for example, poets used it, not necessarily writing about state officials). However, in Roman society it was also a more formal concept of legal authority. A man with imperium had in principle absolute authority to apply the law within the scope of his magistracy or promagistracy, but could be vetoed or overruled by a magistrate or promagistrate having imperium maius (a higher degree of imperium) or, as most republican magistratures were multiple (though not quite collegial since each could act on his own), by the equal power of his colleague (e.g., the other consul). Some modern scholars, such as A.H.M. Jones have defined it as "the power vested by the state in a person to do what he considers to be in the best interests of the state".


Avesta and Vedas
This represents the proto-feudal nature of these societies and their rulers' propagation of 'The Law' that keeps everyone in his place.
Pahlava, Pontus, Hayasdan, Atropatene, Maurya before Buddhism
Propogated by settled government structures, Satrapies, Persian uniques, Persian structures (Gardens, Badghirs, Security Buidings, Royal Outposts), maybe Temples
Asha (aša) or arta is the Avestan language term for a concept of cardinal importance to Zoroastrian theology and doctrine. It is commonly summarized in accord with its contextual implications of 'truth' and 'right(eousness)', 'order' and 'right working'. Sanskrit ṛtá as used in Vedic Sanskrit literally means the "order or course of things", cognate to Avestan aša and related to the English right. In the Vedas, rta lays the philosophical foundation for the Hindu conception of dharma. Both Avestan aša/arta and Vedic ŗtá- are commonly translated as "truth" as this best reflects both the original meaning of the term as well as the opposition to their respective antonyms. The opposite of Avestan aša/arta is druj-, "lie." Similarly, the opposites of Vedic ṛtá- are ánṛta- and druh, likewise "lie". The Vedic word dharma literally translates as that which upholds or supports, and is generally translated into English as law. Avestan Daena is the eternal Law, whose order was revealed to humanity through the Mathra-Spenta ("Holy Words"). Daena has been used to mean religion, faith, law, even as a translation for the Hindu and Buddhist term Dharma, often interpreted as "duty" or social order, right conduct, or virtue.


Ashvamedha (the Horse Sacrifice)
Information about the religious practices of these people is sketchy: Ashvamedha represents the Steppe culture of horse people.
Saka Rauka, maybe Wusun and Yezhi
Propogated by Nomadic and Pastoral government types, Horse Herds, Temples and Cults, maybe hidden resources (horse/steppes)
Horse cults and horse sacrifice in Antiquity is almost exclusively associated with Indo-European culture. Many Indo-European branches show evidence for horse sacrifice, and comparative mythology suggests that they derive from a Proto-Indo-European ritual.
The Ashvamedha could only be conducted by a king (rājā). Its object was the acquisition of power and glory, the sovereignty over neighbouring provinces, and general prosperity of the kingdom. The horse to be sacrificed must be a stallion, more than 24, but less than 100 years old. The horse is sprinkled with water, and the Adhvaryu and the sacrificer whisper mantras into its ear. Anyone who should stop the horse is ritually cursed, and a dog is killed symbolic of the punishment for the sinners. The horse is then set loose towards the North-East, to roam around wherever it chooses, for the period of one year (or half a year, according to some commentators). The horse is associated with the Sun, and its yearly course. If the horse wanders into neighbouring provinces hostile to the sacrificer, they must be subjugated. The wandering horse is attended by a hundred young men, sons of princes or high court officials, charged with guarding the horse from all dangers and inconvenience. During the absence of the horse, an uninterrupted series of ceremonies is performed in the sacrificer's home.


Oracles of the Ancestors
Little is also known about the pre-Islamic religions of the Arabian peninsula. Local polytheism seemed prevalent as well as Judaism.
Saba, Nabatea
Propogated by Temples, the Kaaba
Prior Islam on the Arabian Peninsula in 622 the Kaaba of Mecca was covered in symbols representing the myriad demons, djinn, demigods and other assorted creatures which represented the profoundly polytheistic environment of pre-Islamic Ancient Arabia. We can infer from this plurality an exceptionally broad context in which mythology could flourish. Stories of genies, ghouls, magic lamps, flying carpets, and wishes contained in tales from the Arabian Nights and other works have been passed down through the generations.


Buddhism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism)
Mauryan after Kalinga event.
Propogated by Buddhist Stupas


Vaishnava Hindu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaishnava)
Satavahana


Sangam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangam) or Jain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain)
Pandya


That's only eight: of these I'd say the first three would have public order effects, the others maybe could be used as triggers for recruitment? Or just for fun and flavour? The Arabian one isn't very good, but I don't know much about that area, and I have no idea what Wusun and the Yeuzhi would be.

Anyways,here's (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=54858) an interesting thread about modding religions in BI.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

^Looks like a very good Idea.

[Cyrus]

Is this mod already downoadable or not? i'd like to know 'cause it seems very interesting.

[Moros]

Is this mod already downoadable or not? i'd like to know 'cause it seems very interesting.

Sadly it's ot finished yet. A big mod takes a lot of time to make. Personally I can barely wait either. :yes:

while posting anyway, are there going to be new features for old EB factions as well? Like new buildings, extra regional units,...? Don't have to be specific and give something away, but a yes or no would be nice. Also good luck with the big task! :egypt:

[Cyrus]

And are there any factional previews? i don't mean the ones with unit description only.

[gamegeek2]

Here's a little eye candy for you guys...


Mauryan Unit Previews

Ksatriya Sainika (Mauryan Levy)

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In times of foreign invasion and civil disorder it is difficult to keep the populace (and battlefront) in line with a lower number of men, no matter their or their general's skill. In time when numbers matter, the old and weak retire and the [untrained] able men among the Ksatriyas are called to arms. The veterans among them consider this as another chance to win glory in battle and/or death in their King's name. Lacking proper equipment, these men equip themselves with hunting weapons and other low quality or handmade war gear. They carry a light bamboo spear, a bamboo longbow, and a wooden shield. Though they are of poor quality, they make up for this in energy and lust for glory. Still, these men are not true soldiers, and should be used for archery and nothing more.

The Indian longbow was a fearsome, tall weapon, comparative in size to what the English developed later on. However, significant differences exist between these men and their medieval counterparts; while the Anglo-Welsh longbow came from the relatively rare yew tree, the Indian one came from bamboo, making it cheaper. However, this longbow was too slow, so the Mauryans developed a wooden bow that retained the old bow's range and penetration capabilities while greatly increasing firepower capabilities. However, it is no match for the later English bow; the best Anglo-Welsh longbowmen could shoot 12 arrows a minute accurately at a range of 300 meters. These longbowmen are equipped with the old-style bamboo longbow, meaning they are cheaper but not really as effective.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Ksatriya Dhanavihna (Mauryan Early Longbowmen)

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The tribal bows have been replaced by higher quality wooden bows. Now we can shoot our arrows just as well as before, but far faster. Just give the word, and a hail of death will fall upon your target. We also carry swords, but these are for making quick work of weak enemies or as a last resort; we are no Yodha swordsmen.

The Indian longbow was a fearsome, tall weapon, comparative in size to what the English developed later on. However, significant differences exist between these men and their medieval counterparts; while the Anglo-Welsh longbow came from the relatively rare yew tree, the Indian one came from bamboo, making it cheaper. However, this longbow was too slow, so the Mauryans developed a wooden bow that retained the old bow's range and penetration capabilities while greatly increasing firepower capabilities. However, it is no match for the later English bow; the best Anglo-Welsh longbowmen could shoot 12 arrows a minute accurately at a range of 300 meters.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Ksatriya Yodha (Mauryan Swordsmen)

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Hail, Rajan! The young from the professional Ksatriya class, we form the backbone of your army, along with the Kuntabhata spearmen. After the archers have done their job or are forced to retire, send us in as an iron fist to sweep aside your foes, with our elders (the Kuntabhata) watching our flanks and back. Utilize us at the head of your PadmaVuhya (lotus) formation, for we are some of your finest infantry. As proud Ksatriyas, we wear Kavcha (metal armour) and a long, thick turban. Our tool of killing is a fine Aari longsword, while our off-hand bears a tough Thada (shield).

Historically, the Yodha came from the younger Ksatriyas, who were more eager, imptetuous, and invigorated in battle, as opposed to the Kuntabhata, who came from the elder Ksatriyas and were more disciplined and defensive. This difference is notably similar to the Romans' system: Hastati/Principes 'legionary' infantry came from younger men, while the Triarii hoplitai/heavy spearmen came from the elder, battle-hardened veterans.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Ksatriya Kuntabhata (Mauryan Spearmen)

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Hail, Rajan! We are your battle-hardened veteran spearmen, drawn from more elder Ksatriyas, and work in tandem with the almost-hyperactive Yodha swordsmen to form the backbone of your (and any good Indian commander's) army. Use us as flank-guards, advance guards for the archers, and behind the swordsmen in case any foe (especially horsemen) should get the better of them. We are the spearhead (quite literally) of the Chakraviyuha (impenetrable wheel) formation, and roll over outnumbered foes in this way. As proud Ksatriyas, we wear Kavcha (metal armour) and a long, thick turban. As our shoolah (spear) delivers death, our tough Thada (shield) blocks any foolish attempt to harm us.

Historically, the Kuntabhata came from the elder Ksatriyas and were more disciplined and defensive, as opposed to the the Yodha, who came from the younger Ksatriyas, that were more eager, imptetuous, and invigorated in battle. This difference is notably similar to the Romans' system: Hastati/Principes 'legionary' infantry came from younger men, while the Triarii hoplitai/heavy spearmen came from the elder, battle-hardened veterans. The Kuntabhata were often utilized like the Triarii, behind the younger swordsmen where they could serve as both an emergency flank guard and a reserve in case the swordsmen weren't doing very well or were beset by cavalry.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Ksatriya Asvakava (Mauryan Auxiliary Melee Cavalry)

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What foolish light soldier dares approach our army? A dead light soldier! We ride down such fools, utilizing our Aari longswords in both pursuit and protracted melee, as we specialize at both. But we are no Yodha swordsmen; our unarmoured horses, despite their (or any horse's) endurance and hardiness, lack our metal protection, and as such are vulnerable to weapons, as they are a much easier target than we are. Though brave we may be, we are not suicidal and nor are our mounts; we dare not charge any formed heavy infantry, especially one featuring polearms. As proud Ksatriyas, we wear Kavcha (metal armour) and a long, thick turban. Our tool of killing is a fine Aari longsword, while our off-hand bears a tough Thada (shield) and the reins.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands four types of Indian armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Ksatriya Soolina Asvaka (Mauryan Lancers)

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Our lances are at your service, Rajan. Know well that your flanks are safe as long as we guard them, and we can hold them in melee for some time. We deliver a fierce charge to enemy cavalry and infantry flanks, and rout foolish light troops with ease. Yet we are no cataphracts or Yavana "Hetairos" cavalry; we cannot handle prepared spearmen. As proud Ksatriyas, we wear Kavcha (metal armour) and a long, thick turban. Our tools of killing are a lance and a fine Aari longsword, while our off-hand bears a tough Thada (shield) and the reins. Our mounts are also armoured at the front for greater effectiveness in a charge, to somewhat help against defenders.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Ksipati Ksatriya (Ksatriya Javelineers)

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No longer can we rely on tribals alone to do skirmishing work for the Empire; us Ksatriyas now fill those roles. Our arms carry several heavy javelins that double as shortspears, weapons we have quickly become familiar and skilled with. They lack the range of the bamboo javelins of the tribals, but they have much more penetrating power and melee capability. Though we by no means intend to fight in melee, we have a breastplate to protect us in case we are caught by light or medium horsemen, and we are quite capable against our lighter counterparts. Heavier troops will surely spell our doom if we are caught by them; it is best for us to retreat behind the main line after our skirmishing job is done.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Dhanadhirga Ksatriya (Ksatriya Late Bowmen)

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Every good Mauryan general knows we are a key arm of his forces. Frankly, most of the bad ones know this too! Our wooden recurve longbows can deliver death at long range, safe behind a wall of shiny spearpoints. But our commanders have seen our fellows slaughtered many times by
light horse or even ferocious tribal axemen, and so we are now better equipped. However, we only have a breastplate; any more armour would impede our archery. Also, we have a 2-handed longsword to fight in melee with, along with the shield strapped to our arm. That said, we still prefer to not enter melee, though we can defeat many light adversaries.

The Indian longbow was a fearsome, tall weapon, comparative in size to what the English developed later on. However, significant differences exist between these men and their medieval counterparts; while the Anglo-Welsh longbow came from the relatively rare yew tree, the Indian one came from bamboo, making it cheaper. However, this longbow was too slow, so the Mauryans developed a wooden bow that retained the old bow's range and penetration capabilities while greatly increasing firepower capabilities. However, it is no match for the later English bow; the best Anglo-Welsh longbowmen could shoot 12 arrows a minute accurately at a range of 300 meters.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Avaskanda Ksatriya (Ksatriya Heavy Infantry)

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Rajan! We are now able to serve you better than before, thanks to your generous donations. Now we have Zirastraana helmets that both mark us as shock troops and protect our heads much better than a turban. We carry several heavy javelins to throw before the charge, and our youthful vigor and longswords make our attacks ferocious, since our new shoulder-guards no longer impede the arm, while a breastplate, shield, and leg-guards protect us. Commanders recognize us as the backbone of the army, and rightfully so.

As before, the swordsmen are drawn from the young and vigorous Ksatriyas, eager to prove their worth to the Emperor and the Mauryan people. Their helmet was almost certainly modeled off the Indo-Greeks', while their fighting style may have been the result of Alakchandra's Pheraspides, Theurophoroi, or even Celtic/Thracian mercenaries. Eventually, even they did not matter as the Mauryan kingdom was ended by a military coup in 185 BCE, and this weakened the defense of the Khyber Pass. Pressured by the Saka, the Indo-Greeks poured through the pass five years later and established the Indo-Greek kingdom there, until that too was overrun by Saka between 80 BCE and 20 CE.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Pratradhaka Ksatriya (Ksatriya Heavy Spearmen)

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Indo-Greeks, Sathavahanan, and others have forced change in our old tactics. Now we fight with overhand spears like the Yavanas; our new weapon-system, coupled with a Zirastraana helmet and Kavcha (with modified shoulder pads now attached to the arms), and a longsword for aggressive fighting, makes us some of your most versatile troops. Nor are we green; all among us are older, experienced veterans, as can be seen by our mastery of both spear and sword; we should be rightfully considered an elite among Ksatriyas, worth every coin we are paid.

Like before the reforms, spearmen are recruited from the older, more experienced Ksatriyas, who make up for vigor with confidence and many years of practice and warfare. The Pratradhaka are at least partially influenced by Alakchandra's hypaspistai (and other Hellenic/Yavana infantry) given their overhand spears, the combination of this with a longsword, and the helmet was almost certainly based off of Indo-Greek models. Eventually, even they did not matter as the Mauryan kingdom was ended by a military coup in 185 BCE, and this weakened the defense of the Khyber Pass. Pressured by the Saka, the Indo-Greeks poured through the pass five years later and established the Indo-Greek kingdom there, until that too was overrun by Saka between 80 BCE and 20 CE.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Praasasvaka Ksatriya (Ksatriya Skirmisher Cavalry)

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Similar to the foot skirmishers, we are a substitute for some tribesmen (like Sathavahanan), for some tribes are rebelling from the Empire, as they have grown powerful under our rule. Like our foot coutnerparts, we carry heavy javelins that double as spears, a metal shield, and a breastplate. However, we are equipped with a quiver strapped to the horse so we don't have to carry our javelins and can thus focus more on aiming them.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Azkaryasva Ksatriya (Ksatriya Heavy Cavalry)

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We have not forgotten the lesson that Alakchandar taught us many years ago, and now we implement similar tactics and horse-armour, though we are very different soldiers from the Hetairoi. Instead of xista, we have single handed spears, far less powerful in a charge, but allowing a shield to be carried in the off-hand. Modified Kavcha protects our bodies, a Zirastraana helmet our head, and metal covers part of our legs. Our steeds too have armour, light scales draping over the sides, along with a bronze chest plate. Though as good at charging as the Yavana and Pahlava heavy horsemen, we can match them in staying power, our large shield making up for less armour.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Rajakulapadaga (Royal Guards)

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Rajan, your guard awaits. These men are mainly for countering elephants, though they are an excellent unit besides. Though their armour is heavy like that of the Pratradhaka, meaning their archery is slower, they make up for this with great skill. Arrows are a great deterrent to elephants, as number of wounds is far more important against elephants than the quality of those wounds; the beasts dislike injury comparably. Besides this, they can fight as heavy spearmen.

Historically, they came into existence right during the Seleucid-Mauryan wars, but were used well only during Asoka's Kalinga War. Where they fought, they took down most enemy elephants, ensuring victory for the Mauryans. However, these all-rounders they were few in number, and could use bows, javelins, spears and swords. They used their bows and accompanied their king on the elephants, they roll out on foot using their short throwing spears and and long overhand spears, and many more impressive feats/tasks. They were the most Elite a Mauryan commander could get.

Prakrastaasvaka (Mauryan Armoured Cavalry)

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Rajan, I present you with your heaviest horsemen. We have combined Pahlava, Yavana, Saka, Tibetan, and our own techniques to create these armoured horsemen. Composed of rich volunteers who provide their own armour, this unit is not charging, but rather continued melee. The horses are every bit as armoured as the men, and perhaps moreso, as they are completely covered in scale, save the eyes, belly, and rear. The men are armoured in heavy bronze and iron scales, wear a turban with a red feather to distinguish themselves on the battlefield. Their weapons are the Aari and a metal-coated shield.

In comparison with their Hellenic, Iranian, and Turkic rivals, the Indian cataphracts were poor at charging, as their spear was short, overhand, and one-handed. However, this provided an advantage in closer combat if they managed to manuever past the enemy's lance, which was not too hard given the amount of armour on the horse (a two-handed lance grip is harder to hit the rider with). Their main asset in melee is their shield, a large advantage against their counterparts, even though being mounted diminishes its use.

Historically these men were a rarity on the battle field, as Indian armies usually . These were the base of the medieval Rajput cavalry who challenged the Mughals. They were also far more costly than the Hellenic and Pahlava Kataphraktoi, even though they wore about the same amount of armour; much of their equipment had to be imported.

[MButcher]

The new units look absolutely amazing, except the last three (the Ksatriya Heavy Cavalry, the Royal Guards and the Mauryan Armoured Cavalry) aren't showing up. :help:

[Lovejoy]

Wow! I cant believe how far you guys have come. Great work! Looking forward to being able to download it! :D

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Yes very nice.

[gamegeek2]

Thanks go to svramj, our main skinner/modeler. We need more skinners/modelers, please join.

[Charles the hammer]

Its great to see this still going this mod is very promising i hope it is finished soon, not trying to rush you i know its done when its done.

[Subotan]

Hmm, very tasty. Keep up the good work guys. Although I'm still concerned that the Mauryans are going to be Uber powerful and crush everything in their path...

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Nice work there! :2thumbsup:

[Ibrahim]

I cannot see the last 3 units.. but those i see look great:2thumbsup:

[gamegeek2]

The Mauryans vs. the Baktrians will be an interesting fight, indeed.

And what if the Yellow Death go into India :inquisitive:

[Visitor13]

Yeah, the last three units aren't showing.

And finally, an accurate representation of India in a TW game *sobs*

[Ibrahim]

The Mauryans vs. the Baktrians will be an interesting fight, indeed.

And what if the Yellow Death go into India :inquisitive:

won't happend IMHO.

[Moros]

that's some nice work you've done Gamegeek2 and svramj!
Can't wait till the next preview!

[svramj]

Thanks guys...I was quite busy for long...I'm back now...there are far more Indian units than those shown here...remember we've got 2 more Indian factions...

[Mithick666]

hey great work team AtB congratulations

it will not be a minimod it will be a big mod:egypt:

[svramj]

Sorry of double posting...
For those who can't see the last three units above...

Azkaryasva Ksatriya (Ksatriya Heavy Cavalry)
https://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6430/ksatriyalatespeamencavadf5.png
We have not forgotten the lesson that Alakchandar taught us many years ago, and now we implement similar tactics and horse-armour, though we are very different soldiers from the Hetairoi. Instead of xista, we have single handed spears, far less powerful in a charge, but allowing a shield to be carried in the off-hand. Modified Kavcha protects our bodies, a Zirastraana helmet our head, and metal covers part of our legs. Our steeds too have armour, light scales draping over the sides, along with a bronze chest plate. Though as good at charging as the Yavana and Pahlava heavy horsemen, we can match them in staying power, our large shield making up for less armour.

Among the four different types of Indian armies are the Ksatriyas. The Mauryan king commands all Mauryan armies and the best among them are those from the core of the empire, the Ksatriyas. These men are born to war caste of people who are warlike yet well disciplined by the warrior ethics of Arthashastra. Ksatriyas were also trained in sreni (guilds) but what differentiated them from their sreni counterparts was their caste. Ksatriyas were trained by a recognized martial arts teacher in sreni-funded and royally maintained facilities. Other sreni produce lesser-quality solders who fight for livelihood, unlike men from the Ksatriya caste who fight for glory and protection of their people.

Rajakulapadaga (Royal Guards)
https://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6179/ksatriyalateroyalmauryayl7.png
Rajan, your guard awaits. These men are mainly for countering elephants, though they are an excellent unit besides. Though their armour is heavy like that of the Pratradhaka, meaning their archery is slower, they make up for this with great skill. Arrows are a great deterrent to elephants, as number of wounds is far more important against elephants than the quality of those wounds; the beasts dislike injury comparably. Besides this, they can fight as heavy spearmen.

Historically, they came into existence right during the Seleucid-Mauryan wars, but were used well only during Asoka's Kalinga War. Where they fought, they took down most enemy elephants, ensuring victory for the Mauryans. However, these all-rounders they were few in number, and could use bows, javelins, spears and swords. They used their bows and accompanied their king on the elephants, they roll out on foot using their short throwing spears and and long overhand spears, and many more impressive feats/tasks. They were the most Elite a Mauryan commander could get.

Prakrastaasvaka (Mauryan Armoured Cavalry)
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Rajan, I present you with your heaviest horsemen. We have combined Pahlava, Yavana, Saka, Tibetan, and our own techniques to create these armoured horsemen. Composed of rich volunteers who provide their own armour, this unit is not charging, but rather continued melee. The horses are every bit as armoured as the men, and perhaps moreso, as they are completely covered in scale, save the eyes, belly, and rear. The men are armoured in heavy bronze and iron scales, wear a turban with a red feather to distinguish themselves on the battlefield. Their weapons are the Aari and a metal-coated shield.

In comparison with their Hellenic, Iranian, and Turkic rivals, the Indian cataphracts were poor at charging, as their spear was short, overhand, and one-handed. However, this provided an advantage in closer combat if they managed to manuever past the enemy's lance, which was not too hard given the amount of armour on the horse (a two-handed lance grip is harder to hit the rider with). Their main asset in melee is their shield, a large advantage against their counterparts, even though being mounted diminishes its use.

Historically these men were a rarity on the battle field, as they were very expensive. These were the base of the medieval Rajput cavalry who challenged the Mughals for control of the subcontinent. They were also far more costly than the Hellenic and Pahlava Kataphraktoi, even though they wore about the same amount of armour; much of their equipment had to be imported.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

wow..

[Ibrahim]

wow..

QFT.

[CaesarAugustus]

Loving the skin for those royal guards.:2thumbsup:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Can you give us some in-game screens? I'd love that.

[Iron Fist]

First post here. I know i have low post count, i am more active on the Total War Center forum, but i was thinking that if i could research some information i could presumably post it here? I love this mod and i know that couple of factions are really information absent. So if i can find anything good could i post it here?

[Hax]

Sure, go ahead. Anything specific you had in mind?

[Iron Fist]

I am more interested in the steppe people, so i try to dig something up on the Wusun. I know there is hardy any information on them, but i have something on my sleeves..... I just want to help somehow :D
And i am sure Yuezhi aren't cover as well.

[Hax]

I am more interested in the steppe people, so i try to dig something up on the Wusun. I know there is hardy any information on them, but i have something on my sleeves..... I just want to help somehow :D
And i am sure Yuezhi aren't cover as well.

Very, very, very awesome. I'll discuss it with mein Führer. I mean the team leader.

[The Fuzz]

Holy God, why have I not heard of this before? EB with easter steppes? I mean, THE STEPPES!! :D I'm not sure if I'll help but I've been doing a lot of reading on the steppes of late so if I see something useful I'll post it here.

Good luck gents.

[svramj]

Some Sigs for AtB

Sathavahana Tribe
https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5662/sigatb1.jpg

Pandya Kingdom
https://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7051/sigatb2.jpg

[soibean]

gorgeous units
Im very excited for this mod, great work so far

[miotas]

Rajakulapadaga (Royal Guards)
https://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6179/ksatriyalateroyalmauryayl7.png
Rajan, your guard awaits. These men are mainly for countering elephants, though they are an excellent unit besides. Though their armour is heavy like that of the Pratradhaka, meaning their archery is slower, they make up for this with great skill. Arrows are a great deterrent to elephants, as number of wounds is far more important against elephants than the quality of those wounds; the beasts dislike injury comparably. Besides this, they can fight as heavy spearmen.

Historically, they came into existence right during the Seleucid-Mauryan wars, but were used well only during Asoka's Kalinga War. Where they fought, they took down most enemy elephants, ensuring victory for the Mauryans. However, these all-rounders they were few in number, and could use bows, javelins, spears and swords. They used their bows and accompanied their king on the elephants, they roll out on foot using their short throwing spears and and long overhand spears, and many more impressive feats/tasks. They were the most Elite a Mauryan commander could get.


:jawdrop:I should not have come here, now this is all i can think about

[Karo]

awesome mod really very awesome, but there is a little thing I'm worried about because there is no steppe faction who's going to stop Hayastan and the other Caucasian faction, Iberia isn't it, from moving in too the steppe and conquering it and making it very hard for the Crimean faction from conquering it.

And how much longer till we can play this awesome mod :beam:

[Elcmar]

Beautiful, beautiful work! Another player here who can't wait for this!
Really loving the work done on the units, especially these two:

https://img338.imageshack.us/img338/157/ksatriyalateswordsmenmapf5.png

https://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6179/ksatriyalateroyalmauryayl7.png

[CaesarAugustus]

awesome mod really very awesome, but there is a little thing I'm worried about because there is no steppe faction who's going to stop Hayastan and the other Caucasian faction, Iberia isn't it, from moving in too the steppe and conquering it and making it very hard for the Crimean faction from conquering it.

And how much longer till we can play this awesome mod :beam:

Maybe something like the super-Celts in Easter Europe to stop the Romans and Sweboz in normal EB could be implemented in AtB for the Western steppes. Many-Chevroned nomads led by a very good general would hopefully at least deter the non-steppe factions from expanding there for some time, representing the difficulty of conquering and holding the steppes.

Oh and Dacia and even the Greek city-states shouldn't be too easy for Makedonia to conquer either.

[lenin96]

Will the KH family members from EB be in ATB as Eleutheroi?

[Ghaust the Moor]

I'd like to help, but I'm sure what I could do. :dizzy2: I might be able to be a researcher? Also, what factions, are going to be included?

[johnhughthom]

I'd like to help, but I'm sure what I could do. :dizzy2: I might be able to be a researcher? Also, what factions, are going to be included?

Check out the first page, has a map and faction list.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Check out the first page, has a map and faction list.

Oh, I just heard talk of including the Galatians, removing the Atrophanes, and making more indians so I thought it was outdated

[Athkara]

Presenting,

Asia ton Barbaron Map Preview I

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Enjoy!:beam:


@ Ghaust of the Moor, if you'd like to join, just pm me or any of the AtB team members - we'll see what we need help on, and get back to you.

The faction list in the first post is current - though 'Yuezhi' is misspelled. :wall:

[MButcher]

I'm loving the map preview. I'm unclear about Baktria though, will that province have other cities besides Baktra, such as Ai Khanum?

And are those the starting possessions of the factions?

[paullus]

congrats on the map work guys!

edit: aren't you planning to extend it further east?

[Athkara]

Yes, this is the full extent of the campaign map:

https://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4164/atbmochupdateva3.th.jpg (https://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=atbmochupdateva3.jpg)

Also, Baktria has three cities: Baktra, Thermai, and Aleksandreia-Oxiane.

[MButcher]

Sounds great. Can't wait for the finished product. :beam:

[lenin96]

The preview was great! But I noticed two things: A lot of the settlements have western Greek culture, is that because settlement/faction culture hasn't been finished? And a lot of settlements look like they're in different positions than in EB.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Wow, The maps are wonderful

[Athkara]

Yeah, I haven't gotten to the point of finalizing each city's stats, like culture. right now their stats are just place holders until I get done with the physical mapping. The reason some of the city locations are different from EB is because I've tried to make it as accurate as possible. If you haven't noticed, the EB map is based off of the Mundus Magnus map, which was more or less an expanded version of the vanilla map. ~:)

[Uranos]

The map looks great :2thumbsup:

[Ghaust the Moor]

So, any news Athkara?

[Athkara]

Sorry for the delay, no one's told me anything yet; but hopefully I can force them to talk by tomorrow:whip:. :yes:

[lenin96]

The reason some of the city locations are different from EB is because I've tried to make it as accurate as possible. If you haven't noticed, the EB map is based off of the Mundus Magnus map, which was more or less an expanded version of the vanilla map. ~:)

:2thumbsup:Great! But does that mean that the EB cities are in incorect places?

[bobbin]

Real nice map, I especially like the mountains. :2thumbsup:

One problem I would say is that Amaseia is far too far west, it should be to the north east of Ankyra roughly halfway between it and Trapezous (coords 40° 39′ 0″ N, 35° 50′ 0″ E). Unless the Amaseia on you map is a different town altogether in which case just ignore me.

[Hax]

One problem I would say is that Amaseia is far too far west, it should be to the north east of Ankyra roughly halfway between it and Trapezous (coords 40° 39′ 0″ N, 35° 50′ 0″ E). Unless the Amaseia on you map is a different town altogether in which case just ignore me.

I believe the Amaseia on this map is actually "Herakleia Pontika"

[bobbin]

Ah....that makes a lot more sense now.

[Athkara]

Just to clear thing up, the cities haven't all been finalized yet and some of the names are still more or less placeholders from when I was first plotting out the map_regions. So if you see anything odd, please post it to help me keep track of what needs to be worked on.:book:

[chairman]

Several of the cities do indeed seem out of place or strangely named. If these are just placeholders that is one thing (Bithynia should be Astakos until 264BC then after: Nikomedia; Amaseia should be Herakleia Pontika). But for some, like Side and Xanthos, are just in the wrong place. Side should be just to the east of where Xanthos is on the screenshots, and Xanthos just a tile or two west of its current position.

Chairman

[Kara Mustafa]

Great work with the maps, they are wonderful! I am really looking forward to this mod:2thumbsup:

[Marcus Ulpius]

Great job on maps. Should be an awesome mod.:2thumbsup:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

How things are going?

[Athkara]

Fairly well, the map's progressing nicely (I've made a bunch of corrections) and in a few more weeks there should be enough new stuff done for me to make another preview.:yes:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Fairly well, the map's progressing nicely (I've made a bunch of corrections) and in a few more weeks there should be enough new stuff done for me to make another preview.:yes:
Of which faction?

[Tanit]

Looking at this makes me wish someone would make a far east version of EB. If you went from roughly Baktria to the Pacific ocean the map is smaller than the regular EB map. As such the Pacific ocean could be shrunk and central america as well as the northern part of South america could be represented finally allowing a full scope of the world in 272 BC. You could even play both campaigns as Baktria and conquer the whole world!

I even thought about potential factions.

Nomads:
Saka Rauka
Yuezhi
Wusun
Xiongu

Indian Factions:
Maurya
Pandya
Satavahana

Greek:
Baktria

Chinese:
Kingdom of Khotan: May not have actually existed at this time, mythically founded in third century BC by a son of Asoka but not properly attested until much later.
-Qi
-Chu
-Yan
-Han
-Zhao
-Wei
-Qin
-Lu
-Yue

Japan:
Yamato: Not as well developed a power this early but it did exist.

Indonesia:
Dvipantara: Unclear if it existed this early.

Korea:
Gojoseon

Americas:
Zapotec
Preclassic Maya
Chavin (West coast of South America)

[Athkara]

@ Leviathan
I meant a second map preview; I'll show the rest of Europe, Arabia, Africa, and India.

@ Tanit
I've actually thought about something like that, and actually, I do plan on working on a map from the Arul Sea to Korea when I'm done with the AtB one.:yes:

[Tanit]

If you do do a mini-mod like that I'd love to help.

[Hax]

Harken, all ye fans of the mighty Asia ton Barbaron.

We're currently really lacking skinners and modellers and without them, the project would move very slowly. PM's to me, please.

-Hax

[Maion Maroneios]

That's a shame. Maybe you could post a thread asking for some outside help? Or even attach corresponding messages with links to your signatures? I'd love to help, but lack of free time and skill of both modelling and skinning unfortunately prevents me from being of any help I'm afraid.

Maion

[Hax]

Thanks for the support, Maion. Perhaps I will post some threads on the EB front page as well as the Guild's recruitment place.

[Maion Maroneios]

Excellent, I can help with the sig-idea if you decide to implement it. Plus, I'll make an announcement to the Romaioktonoi if you like.

Maion

[Hax]

Greetings, Asia ton Barbaron fans,

Today we bring you the newest preview, of a faction unknown until know. Unbeknownst to the Ptolemaioi, far to their south was an ancient kingdom. The place where Alexandros never tread, up the streams of the Neilos, there live a mighty people...


https://img269.imageshack.us/img269/967/33820067.jpg

PREVIEW IV
Mangst Aksum [The Kingdom of Axum]

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Hail, Nigusa Nagast*, Lord of Axum and Di'amat.

Many generations ago we sailed across from the lands of our brethren, the Saba. Your lands are rich and wide, my King. The blaking sun beats down on the bent backs of your loyal people making them strong and hardy. Every year the river delivers mercy and crops to our lands. From far and wide ships pass through our ports delivering us gold and goods from foreign lands. Through this, we grow stronger...and we then we can contest those who dwell in around us; the treacherous Kushites who seek to take our wealth from us, our ancient kinsmen the Sab'yn who have been in their desert to long and have become a greedy and heartless people and the arrogant heirs of Eskender who dwell near the Delta of the great Nile. Founding one of their colonies in our homeland..their arrogance will prove to be their fall.

Your people are strong, Nagast, and you will lead them to victory, for they are strong and able men drawn from the many farms around our city. Although they are only armed with shields and spears they will do your bidding and follow you unto death. A long tradition of proud archers we have as well; for a long time they have hunted great beasts on the river and felled many in their time; they will be a vital part of your force. With you will also come the Faransy, riding great steeds from the valleys of the great river. And finally, Nigusa Nagast, all your enemies will be trampled beneath the mighty feet of the ivory monsters. When the Kushites are broken and the heirs of Eskender crushed and you have driven the Saba in to the great desert of Arabia, you will be Lord of the World.

Campaign Strategy: Being in control of only your capital, Aksum, and most of your enemies far off (the first likely being the Ptolemaioi) you are surrounded by a rich land which has yet to see conquest. Quickly grabbing the cities around the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea would be a steady way to begin your path to world domination. Be warned though; should you come to clash with the Ptolemaioi, leaving your coastal cities undefended would almost be an invitation for the Saba to come grab them. Clashing with the Ptolemaioi would be best when they are engaged with the Nabataeans and the Seleucids, as they will not guard their southernmost cities. By the time you have reached Alexandreia they will not know what ever hit them. Should you wish to avoid confrontration with the Ptolemaioi, you might wish to only take the cities on the coast of the Indian Ocean and from there take the Arabian coast. The choice is yours, but remember; indecisiveness leads to nothing...

Unit Strategy: Starting far off in the corner of Africa at the lowest point of the map your first army will most likely consist out of spearmen, archers and some light skirmishing cavalry. As you take over the cities on the coast of the Red Sea and Indian Ocean, trade will start rolling in which gives you two interesting new possibilities; the first being the Red Sea Hoplites and the Red Sea infantry (armed with fearsome axes!) and as you now have more money, you will be able to train fearsome elephants from the Nile valley. As you fight your way up north you will also gain access to new Hellenic units as well as native Egyptians, who will secure your position in Egypt. It is a long and hard way from your humble beginnings, but a way worth taking, paved with gold and the corpses of your enemies.

*Nigusa Nagast: Ge'ez term, meaning "King of Kings"

Keep in mind all of this work is a work in progress, and all of the previous statements are subject to change.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

RACIST COMMENTARY DELETED

Wait, doesn't that mean you will have to drop one of the factions from the first post?
Which one did you drop?

[Hax]

We dropped the Roman faction. Also, you should get off 4chan. It's not good for you ;)

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

We dropped the Roman faction. Also, you should get off 4chan. It's not good for you ;)

I'm not from /b/.
and I think you mean it's not good for YOU.

OFFENSIVE COMMENTARY DELETED - what's going on with you today? It's the 3rd post from you that I have to delete stuff! Calm down.

[Iron Fist]

Really good job guys :D, keep up the good work :D

[Kara Mustafa]

Whoaaa Ethiopian faction! Can't believe my eyes. Great work AtB team, i'll be looking forward to this.

EDIT: Are you going to create a specific culture for Axumites now that you've dropped the Romans? Or will they share the same culture as Saba?

[NickTheGreek]

Cool
EDIT: sorry my first comment seems like a casual brush off. I'm really impressed with this, along with india and pre islamic arabia historical ethiopia has always fascinated me. I'll look forward to playing Aksum when AtB comes out.

[oudysseos]

Gentlemen, don't assume that someone else is going to deal with a racist, bigot or homophobe. Such people deserve your deepest contempt under any circumstances: report offensive posts like those above. Ignoring awful people like that only validates their purpose and implicates you in their hateful spew.

Silence is consent. Do all of ye consent to what has been posted today?

[Hax]

We have removed the Roman faction, since their homeland is not on the map and it would be improper to represent the Romans without them being on the map.

I'm not sure on the Axumite culture, but it will probably be the same of Saba.

[MerlinusCDXX]

Very nice guys. Always wanted to see an Ethiopian faction in RTW. As for the racist trolling, grrr, unacceptable. Fortunately, I only saw that it had been deleted. Thank you JMRC, we don't need this kind of crap here.

Leviathan, get a frickin' clue dude.

[Ca Putt]

We dropped the Roman faction. YAY, I love answers like that :clown:

[AlexanderSextus]

so, the romans are not in the game at all?

Boo. Hiss.

I wanted to fight the romans as Aksum. This sucks.

[Ca Putt]

oh, btw are there going to be Eleutheroi romans? like the Yuezi in EB?

[strategos roma]

Looking at this makes me wish someone would make a far east version of EB. If you went from roughly Baktria to the Pacific ocean the map is smaller than the regular EB map. As such the Pacific ocean could be shrunk and central america as well as the northern part of South america could be represented finally allowing a full scope of the world in 272 BC. You could even play both campaigns as Baktria and conquer the whole world!

I even thought about potential factions.

Nomads:
Saka Rauka
Yuezhi
Wusun
Xiongu

Indian Factions:
Maurya
Pandya
Satavahana

Greek:
Baktria

Chinese:
Kingdom of Khotan: May not have actually existed at this time, mythically founded in third century BC by a son of Asoka but not properly attested until much later.
-Qi
-Chu
-Yan
-Han
-Zhao
-Wei
-Qin
-Lu
-Yue

Japan:
Yamato: Not as well developed a power this early but it did exist.

Indonesia:
Dvipantara: Unclear if it existed this early.

Korea:
Gojoseon

Americas:
Zapotec
Preclassic Maya
Chavin (West coast of South America)


I'm not sure that you have enougth faction slots for all this. Maybe you should just drop the american ones and reduce the map to just asia.
and the chinese lu and yue had already benn wiped out by 272ad

[Athkara]

The previews keep coming;

Introducing the Asia ton Barbaron Map Preview II

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