Another stupid question, also about 300 (dont kill me)

[Long lost Caesar]

I know how most of you seem to hate people who post about 300, but i have a question. If (as Leonidas tells the cripple) the Spartans fight in the phalanx formation, then why dont they have sarissas? they seem to use smaller, hoplite spears, and they dont really form like weve seen the phalanxes in EB do, ie, pikes in front, raising up to ward off arrows. hoplites or a simple mistake?

[NeoSpartan]

-Thermopoly occured BEFORE the sarissas were invented. So those are out of the question.
-Spartans ARE hoplites, they fight like hoplites NOT phalangites (which by the time Thermopoly did not even exist).
-The movie 300 DID NOT portray accurate Hoplite style of fighting.

Thermopoly occured in 480BC. Phillip II came up with the sarissa (or should I say improved) in 360-350BC. MORE than 100 years later.

[Beefy187]

Yea and I think Spartans wouldve used their spears even if Sarissa was around. Those Greeks thought Sarissa is cheap since they are able to stab people 6 M away..

[NeoSpartan]

btw Kevlar doesn't stop a knife, let alone a small group of guys with knifes. So.... so much for Ceasar :smash:

[mighty_rome]

Yeah I was going to say exactly the same thing, NeoSpartan..

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I know how most of you seem to hate people who post about 300, but i have a question. If (as Leonidas tells the cripple) the Spartans fight in the phalanx formation, then why dont they have sarissas? they seem to use smaller, hoplite spears, and they dont really form like weve seen the phalanxes in EB do, ie, pikes in front, raising up to ward off arrows. hoplites or a simple mistake?

Yes, it's a silly question. When you see the Spartans repel the first Persian assault with locked shields that is the phalanx. The pike-phalanx is different but they work in a similar way and therefore are named the same.

[tapanojum]

btw Kevlar doesn't stop a knife, let alone a small group of guys with knifes. So.... so much for Ceasar :smash:


I read somewhere a long time ago that some British guarded wanted to check if his Kevlar works...he asked some hobo to stab him with a knife....the guard died...hmmm

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Most of the time in 300 though, the Spartans just ran around randomly with their swords and cut people's limbs off... that shows the importance of the phalanx clearly :laugh4:

And Caesar should have worn steel plate mail and have dual-wielded katanas :yes:

[mighty_rome]

Yeah, that movie looked beyond ridiculous to me... I am glad I didn't see it. I did like Gladiator and Braveheart though, but at least those movies didn't have mutants :laugh4:

[Cheexsta]

I know how most of you seem to hate people who post about 300, but i have a question. If (as Leonidas tells the cripple) the Spartans fight in the phalanx formation, then why dont they have sarissas? they seem to use smaller, hoplite spears, and they dont really form like weve seen the phalanxes in EB do, ie, pikes in front, raising up to ward off arrows. hoplites or a simple mistake?
There are two basic forms of phalanx, not including variations (eg the Germanic "phalanx").

You have the Greek hoplite phalanx.

And then the Macedonian pike phalanx.

Obviously, the Spartans in this movie are using a (stylised) version of the former. "Phalanx" really just refers to a dense formation, not the exact equipment used.

So forget what the RTW game has told you about phalanxes. The phalanx ability in the game ONLY refers to the Macedonian-style phalanx and doesn't take into account the Greek-style phalanx (which the game wrongly depicts as a smaller Macedonian phalanx - corrected by EB).

[The Internet]

The phalanx is a tightly-packed group of men which doesn't always have to mean the typical Greek version. Caesar described the Gauls attacking in a phalanx and being slaughtered by pila and it has generally been accepted that they were simply in a tightly packed formation which i suppose they were going to use to push the Romans out of the way.


Just a little point to add to the pike phalanx and "typical" Greek phalanx discussion.


Edit: God damn it, beaten by a few minutes. :(

[mcantu]

btw Kevlar doesn't stop a knife, let alone a small group of guys with knifes. So.... so much for Ceasar :smash:

Actually, Kevlar and other ballistic aramids are very good at protecting from slashing attacks. Loggers wear leg protection made from Kevlar to protect against chainsaw accidents. Piercing attacks can get through depending on the protection level of the vest but the depth of blade penetration will generally be reduced.

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Actually, Kevlar and other ballistic aramids are very good at protecting from slashing attacks. Loggers wear leg protection made from Kevlar to protect against chainsaw accidents. Piercing attacks can get through depending on the protection level of the vest but the depth of blade penetration will generally be reduced.

didn't they stab Caesar in the groin anyway? I doubt anyone would have kevlar panties... :laugh4:

[Nike]

Caesar was stabbed many times, most of which would not have killed him, but there was one definite killing stroke ( stab?).

Being in Rome he would not have worn armor, especiallyin the Senate, unless for a triumph or some such event. He also refused to have his lictors with him, so he was pretty defenseless.

[mcantu]

didn't they stab Caesar in the groin anyway? I doubt anyone would have kevlar panties... :laugh4:


Actually...ballistic nylon (the precursor to Kevlar) undershorts were developed during the Vietnam War

[Raphia]

Wong place, sorry

[The Celtic Viking]

Yeah, well, if Vercingetorix had been a god in the sense of the Christian God, history would've been so much different... my point is that it's a pointless discussion really. (Because they could still have stabbed Caesar in his face!)

Anyway, this thread has fulfilled it's purpose, all questions answered. Let it die.

[Long lost Caesar]

oooh its a very pointless discussion. not knowing much about what i ask gets me the sh*te ripped out of. good old EB community :shame:
and as for caesar and his kevlar (or the lack of it) obviously i dont seriously mean it. i wouldnt let someone SHOOT me whether or not i was wearing kevlar, as for stabbing? well, i hope kevlar's armoured well on the back :laugh4:

[Tellos Athenaios]

Any formation of heavy infantry -especially if it's a line -- epecially more so if aforemtioned infantry carries sharp pointy sticks- which speaks Greek and is from antiquity is a Phalanx.

The word is used as a way to refer to all heavy infantry formation(s) or to the entire core of heavy infantry an army would consist of. ~;)

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Actually...ballistic nylon (the precursor to Kevlar) undershorts were developed during the Vietnam War

...which in no way would stop a knife-stab :2thumbsup:
and he could also have a suit like this

http://www.oafe.net/yo/art/hc2_mh1.jpg

[Thaatu]

If Caesar had worn Kevlar history would be much more different
I think the point of this quote is from a fashion perspective. Kevlar is much more masculine than a toga. If Caesar died while wearing kevlar we would still say: "Caesar is dead, but his humongous balls live on". Sadly, I can't translate that to latin...

[The Celtic Viking]

oooh its a very pointless discussion. not knowing much about what i ask gets me the sh*te ripped out of. good old EB community :shame:
and as for caesar and his kevlar (or the lack of it) obviously i dont seriously mean it. i wouldnt let someone SHOOT me whether or not i was wearing kevlar, as for stabbing? well, i hope kevlar's armoured well on the back :laugh4:

I know, it was just the discussion about it that I thought pretty pointless and out-of-place, nothing else.


and he could also have a suit like this

picture

Again: the face, go for the face!

[Beefy187]

Again: the face, go for the face!

Going for the face makes it nasty... Caesars dying in the senate floor. Let him die with some respect at least. Gentlemen we are not killers!

Brutus said something like that. Well at least the last line.. So thats why Caesar wasnt stabbed in the face. If he was wearing some kind of body armour Rome wouldve been much better.

[Long lost Caesar]

"Gentlemen we are not killers!....now get in line to stab an urarmed man." kinda ironic innit?

[NeoSpartan]

rome would have had its civil wars & creasy emperors either way. It was bound to happen.... Generals funding, training, housing, and leading their own armies. And Emperors inheriting power WITHOUT any regard to thier capabilites as leaders and governors. Wtf do u think that leads to?????:whip:

[The Celtic Viking]

Going for the face makes it nasty... Caesars dying in the senate floor. Let him die with some respect at least. Gentlemen we are not killers!

Brutus said something like that. Well at least the last line.. So thats why Caesar wasnt stabbed in the face. If he was wearing some kind of body armour Rome wouldve been much better.

Nah. If there was no other way to kill him than by stabbing at his face, they wouldn't have cared. Perhaps they'd just strangle him instead? So perhaps it was better that he had no armour, so he could keep his "respect".

[Beefy187]

Dont you just love Brutus?:laugh4:

But IF Caesar didnt get assasinated...

-Parthia probebly get conquered
-Whole Anthony vs Augustus wouldnt have happened
-Germany conquered? Maybe
-conquere ze world? Maybe
-Oh and dont blame Caesar for the screwed up first lot of Roman emperors. Augustus is the one to blame. (Tiberius was alright.. Caligula bad, Claudius so so, Nero.. ouch)

I dont know. Who knows. Perhaps Legions vs Samurai battle might have happened:laugh4:

If he had body armour
Consipirators: Die Caesar!!
Caesar gets stabbed in the stomach
Caesar: Oh thank god I had body armour..

(Ads) "Roman body armour!! Only thing that can protect you from damn conspirators! Only 1mnai!"

Conspirators: Wait Caesar!!
Caesar: Suck eggs! No more forgiving for you.. Just coz I slapt with your wives...

Ok how did we get to Persia from Caesar?

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If he had body armour
Consipirators: Die Caesar!!
Caesar gets stabbed in the stomach
Caesar: Oh thank god I had body armour..



No it's more like this:

Caesar: ey wazzup niggas
Senators: step over 'ere, mate...
Caesar: is that a knife under your toga or are you just happy to see me
Senators: it's a knife
Caesar: oh
Senators: *stab Caesar in the torso*
Caesar: haha lol n00bs i got kevlar armor
Senators: lolololol we gotz l33t combo kevlar doesn't protect against knives sucka
Caesar: yes it does yer so dumb phe/\r the caesar nubs
Senators: hmm. AHA you don't have armor on yer nuts i think *stabs Caesar in the nuts*
Caesar: *pulls up toga and shows kevlar panties* lolz your all n00b boosters
Senators: wtf why this weapon no work
Caesar: n e way i gotz overshield and active camo 2
Senators: wtf why he no die
Caesar: haha i got snipe now imma snipe you all *pulls out beam rifle*
Senators: wtf lol n00b retard weapon lololol bungie ruin game
Caesar: *kills senators with sniper then crouches over their heads repeatedly when they're down*
Caesar: beep *achievement unlocked*

[Malik of Sindh]

:laugh4: These two posts made my day.

[Beefy187]

Blank im sure those poor senetors are crying HAX HAX!:laugh4:

Caesar: Too bad im l33t:clown:

Long live Caesar!:2thumbsup:

[NightStar]

This of course is theoretical, but if and only IF Caesar would have worn his kevlar that day, wouldn't Brutus then just have used his Lightsaber knife?

[carthage_supreme]

Speaking about leet and caesar , i'd imagine the battle of alesia being ´retold in leet like this:



In 52 b.c
War was beginning.
Vercingtorix: What happen?
Gaul captain: Somebody set up us the siege
Gaul captain : We get surrounded.
Vercingtorix: What?
gaul captain: Main scout turn on
Vercingtorix: It's you!
Caesar: How are you celticmen? all your land is belong to us
Caesar: You are on the way to destruction!
Vercingtorix: What you say?(in disbelief)
Caesar: You primitive barbarians have no chance to survive , make your time. Ha ha ha.

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Speaking about leet and caesar , i'd imagine the battle of alesia being ´retold in leet like this:



In 52 b.c
War was beginning.
Vercingtorix: What happen?
Gaul captain: Somebody set up us the siege
Gaul captain : We get surrounded.
Vercingtorix: What?
gaul captain: Main scout turn on
Vercingtorix: It's you!
Caesar: How are you celticmen? all your land is belong to us
Caesar: You are on the way to destruction!
Vercingtorix: What you say?(in disbelief)
Caesar: You primitive barbarians have no chance to survive , make your time. Ha ha ha.

:laugh4:

you should randomly replace some letters with numbers too :yes:

[Long lost Caesar]

sounds like hes givin master chief a run for his money.

PS-not complainin, but how the HELL did we get here?! :laugh4:

[Beefy187]

Blame who ever said something about Kevler first:whip:

we soo should start a thread about historical scene in l33t speak:laugh4:

[pezhetairoi]

'The Org Concise Ancient History Volume I'

Now that's rich. XD

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Caesar: How are you celticmen? all your land is belong to us
:laugh4:
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