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Mithradates VI
11-01-2007, 13:21
So....what if you manage to defeat cataphracts? Will you still get them, just later, or?


I'm curious, since I pwned both the Armenians and Parthians in my campaign right now as Arche Seleukia...never lost a battle (came CLOSE a few times, but...)
Folgore
11-01-2007, 13:40
You can still lose to Bactrian cataphracts. As far as I know you have to lose though, there is no other way of getting them. Check out this thread, it should give you some more information:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=94286
antisocialmunky
11-01-2007, 15:42
Also, the Baktrian ones are monstrous even compared to the Late Parthian ones but they come in smaller groups.
kambiz
11-01-2007, 15:48
Excuse me ,Off topic :tongue: but when can I get those "Late Pahlava Cataphracts" in my Pahlava campaign??? Thanks
Pharnakes
11-01-2007, 19:59
IDK, but probably after the vannila marians, ie huge city in Italy. That will get you the late bodygaurds anyway, I am almost certain.
kambiz
11-01-2007, 21:39
probably after the vannila mariansMarian reform triggered under some conditions ! I'm afraid AI can not provide these conditions ,Can it???
Admetos
11-01-2007, 21:42
Its the vanilla Marian reform, so a city in Italy that's not Rome getting to huge.
Mithradates VI
11-02-2007, 21:07
Also, the Baktrian ones are monstrous even compared to the Late Parthian ones but they come in smaller groups.


...But I just finished pwning the bactrians too...

Do the Saka have Cataphracts? If so, I might just purposely lose a battle against them so I can have them.....
antisocialmunky
11-02-2007, 22:35
There should be a date trigger for the Kat reforms IMHO if everyone with Kats die.
Tellos Athenaios
11-02-2007, 23:14
...But I just finished pwning the bactrians too...

Do the Saka have Cataphracts? If so, I might just purposely lose a battle against them so I can have them.....

The Saka have Cats too. It even seems they were the very first people to use a distinguishable Cat too. ~;)

Mind you: the triggers are quite complex, so one very nice battle won't guarantee them 100%. Unit Size is NOT accounted for, so on anything like Small you simply won't get such reforms through the conditions, I am afraid.

On the other hand, if you have wipe all those treacherous wannabe independent kingdoms off the map ... wouldn't it be a tad silly to specifically arrange a battle so you can trigger Cat reforms? :inquisitive:
Pharnakes
11-03-2007, 15:58
But they look so cool...

When I get my new comp and play my first seleukid campaign, I know the first thing I will do is send a general with a full stack of pantodapoi off to get themselves pwned by the Baktrians or Parthians as soon as they get their Catas.

God I am such an hertic...
russia almighty
11-03-2007, 16:35
To speed up the process cheat in some cash and give them a good amount of money . And process_cq there towns .
Bava
11-03-2007, 16:50
nevermind
Digby Tatham Warter
11-03-2007, 17:58
But they look so cool...

When I get my new comp and play my first seleukid campaign, I know the first thing I will do is send a general with a full stack of pantodapoi off to get themselves pwned by the Baktrians or Parthians as soon as they get their Catas.

God I am such an hertic...

I think 20% of your forces need to be cav, and not before turn 76, your forces and your gens body guard must suffer at least 20% casualties, their army must out number yours by at least 0.7(whatever that means?), both armies must contain at least 250 troops, etc.
And my first attempt has failed, don't know why, tis a mystery.
Spoofa
11-03-2007, 18:10
just read the FAQ to figure it out.
Mithradates VI
11-04-2007, 06:58
The Saka have Cats too. It even seems they were the very first people to use a distinguishable Cat too. ~;)

Mind you: the triggers are quite complex, so one very nice battle won't guarantee them 100%. Unit Size is NOT accounted for, so on anything like Small you simply won't get such reforms through the conditions, I am afraid.

On the other hand, if you have wipe all those treacherous wannabe independent kingdoms off the map ... wouldn't it be a tad silly to specifically arrange a battle so you can trigger Cat reforms? :inquisitive:


Well, it would be nice to have some Uberheavy Cavalry to pwn the Green Monster which has developed in Greece and Macedonia...

Also, I just plain want to see what you guys have done with them.:laugh4:


I'm playing Large units, actually, so I'm covered there, at least.
kambiz
11-04-2007, 16:35
probably after the vannila marians, ie huge city in Italy. That will get you the late bodygaurds anyway, I am almost certain.
Its the vanilla Marian reform, so a city in Italy that's not Rome getting to huge.I'm in early 179BC ,And I sent a spy in italy to investigate if there's any Larg city there. As I expected ,many of italian settlements are already huge cities and "Polybian Reform" has been triggered for AI. But no Marian reform yet :oops: What do you think guys?

P.S : I can't build level 5 MIC !? Is this also relate to Marian reform???