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Privateerkev
11-19-2007, 21:22
This is the OOC thread for the Kingdoms Crusade Hotseat MP Campaign
JerusalemTristan1ByzantinesPrivateerkev2TurkeyZim3EgyptDoug4
RIP = Antioch: Turn 5. Played by Evil Ferret
Story thread for this game is here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=95433
That's great news about the admin stuff, opens up a whole lotta possibilities :yes:
(darn 'of mice and men' is conatminating my speech lol - is lotta really a word :P)
Privateerkev
11-19-2007, 22:52
Alright, I have set up an "admin accessible" hotseat game with Tosa's very very patient advice. Crusade-1-1 is set up but I won't upload it until people have some time to set up some diplomacy. Probably 20 or so hours from now.
Also I want to allow time for people to voice objections to me setting up an admin game. What an admin game means is, I modded a file to allow me to open up the console in the save game. That allows me to do things with passwords and factions in case someone leaves. Hopefully I will never have to use it but life happens sometimes.
I will inform the players in here if I ever open up the console. I have done it twice so far to test it. I did it once, then saved the game, closed the program, opened the program, loaded the save, and tested it again. I tested it by simply using the admin login and then logging off.
The only password I need is Tristan's. I will still test all passwords after turn one. It's not that I don't trust anyone, but I want to prevent a "gibson" style error.
Game is H/H.
Battles are autoresolved.
Diplomacy will be agreed to OOC first.
If you do something to a player that he would know about in a SP game, a private OOC pm to him would be appreciated.
If it is something where you want it secret, like a successful assassination or sabotage, then you can tell me, and I will send them a vague PM before their next turn to hide your identity.
If your going to take more than 48 hours to play your turn, please let me know by PM or in this thread beforehand. I will be a lot more sympathetic if I learn about things beforehand.
If I can not reach you for a week, and you did not inform me, then I will consider replacing you.
I hope for a fun and fast-paced game. I've come to know all 4 of you lately and I anticipate a good time. :2thumbsup:
*edit*
I'll probably rename the savegame before I upload it to make it look more different than the first crusade saves. Right now the only difference is this one has no "s" in crusade where the old ones were "crusades".
An admin accessible game sounds fine to me! :2thumbsup:
_Tristan_
11-20-2007, 12:01
I'll PM you my PW ASAP
EDIT :I have also started a new write up thread (http://https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=95433)for those who want to take part...
Privateerkev
11-20-2007, 17:18
Thanks for setting that up Tristan. It's a good way for outside spectators to keep up with our campaign if they wish. :yes:
Alright, I have all passwords. I will upload the save in a couple of hours when I get back home. It will be EF's turn. Turns will go in the order that they did last time. Top page has the order list. We'll keep EF's good system regarding save-game naming.
Privateerkev
11-20-2007, 17:46
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-1-1.sav
Alright, I got the save up earlier than I thought. But please note the naming convention. There is no last "s" in "Crusade". This keeps it different than the previous game's saves which were named "Crusades" with an "s" at the end. If we stick to naming the saves "Crusade", then we should be fine. If anyone feels that it is too close to the last name, feel free to change it. Otherwise, EF will name his save: Crusade-1-2 and so on.
Game on! :2thumbsup:
_Tristan_
11-20-2007, 20:14
Let's go crusadin'... (or jihadin')...
Hello,
The old Crusades savegames of the previous hotseat are moved to a backup directory to avoid confusion.
_Tristan_
11-20-2007, 20:21
Thx Tosa... Nice move...
Privateerkev
11-20-2007, 20:46
Hello,
The old Crusades savegames of the previous hotseat are moved to a backup directory to avoid confusion.
Thank you! :D
If the "hotseat" idea takes off, we might want to consider a master list of save names. That way, when people make a new game, they can look at the list of save names that have been used. That might minimize "doubling up" of names which the uploader won't support as far as I know.
Privateerkev
11-20-2007, 21:08
Ok, I got a PM regarding the question of "reloading the save". The question was innocent but it regards an issue I feel very strongly about. So strongly in fact, that I did not even think about making a rule for it. While I can not speak for EF in the Teutonic game, I will state this very clear in here.
When you have the save, and play your turn, you should deal with what ever happens. You should not reload the save and play for a better result. Such a thing A.) could really bog the game down if players keep playing the same turn for hours trying to achieve perfect results and B.) becomes "campy".
I have no way to really check or enforce this so we are all on the "honor system". But, the question was asked so I will make my opinion on the matter very clear.
If I screw up and kill my faction, I'll just take it and move on. Losing because of risky moves is part of the game. :yes:
next turn for Tristan:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-1-2.sav
we are up and running again!
_Tristan_
11-23-2007, 17:40
Onwards !!! :charge:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-1-3.sav
Privateerkev
11-23-2007, 21:08
And onwards some more!
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-1-4.sav
Zim's up! :D
Picking up the save right now. :yes:
Crusade-1-5 is being uploaded right now.
I do have a small bug to report. The first time I hit end turn, and the Egyptian password request came up, I wasn't able to save the game. When I hit Escape, nothing happened.
Luckily I had saved near the end of my turn to give some thought to my final moves. I tried it from there, did it again, and it worked fine. :2thumbsup:
Doug's turn now.
Doug-Thompson
11-24-2007, 17:17
Still recovering from Thanksgiving at my house, but I should get to it tonight.
Doug-Thompson
11-25-2007, 08:33
Crusade-2-1 is up.
_Tristan_
11-25-2007, 10:12
Whooa !!! one turn !!! :2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
11-25-2007, 10:31
Whooa !!! one turn !!! :2thumbsup:
Woot! and in less than 5 days too! :2thumbsup:
Woot! and in less than 5 days too! :2thumbsup:
:2thumbsup: With all five of us being people that go through their turns fairly quickly (in both pbms) we'll catch up to where the old one ended in no time.
_Tristan_
11-25-2007, 11:09
I surely hope so... Allow one or two days at the most for me to play my turn...
I can't always get access to my Gaming PC (which is not the one I'm using to visit the Org)
Privateerkev
11-26-2007, 07:16
Here's the link to the save for EF:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-2-1.sav
:2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
11-26-2007, 12:07
I'm amused that the KotR veterans can not break the habit of announcing that they have taken the save. :laugh4:
I also have to fight the urge to announce it. Econ should be proud. He's trained us well.. :clown:
save is up:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-2-2.sav
well I think it's a good way of letting you know that I'm about to kill you :P
_Tristan_
11-26-2007, 12:33
I had the habit of doing it also... Just to let people know...
I've seen you do that a lot in KOTR and it seemed sensible due to the large number of players involved and there being only one save for all of you...
I find it nice nevertheless to let others know that you are dealing with things... It helps me wait more patiently for my own turn to come again...
EDIT : My turn, my turn... whoooaaa :belly: :belly:
Privateerkev
11-26-2007, 19:20
I had the habit of doing it also... Just to let people know...
I've seen you do that a lot in KOTR and it seemed sensible due to the large number of players involved and there being only one save for all of you...
I find it nice nevertheless to let others know that you are dealing with things... It helps me wait more patiently for my own turn to come again...
Oh I wasn't complaining. Just amused. ^_^
Announcing that you finally have the save is certainly an informative and courteous act. I don't think it's absolutely required since no one else could take the save. But it is nice that we do it. :yes:
KotR is infecting our lives. We will be assimilated... :clown:
save is up:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-2-2.sav
well I think it's a good way of letting you know that I'm about to kill you :P
With me playing the Turks this game, I think I'm the one you have the honor of killing. :clown:
Privateerkev
11-26-2007, 20:18
With me playing the Turks this game, I think I'm the one you have the honor of killing. :clown:
Yeah but he said it in response to me! :laugh4:
Of course, now it makes sense. I was wondering why Constantinople on the map was colored light blue... >_<
:clown:
Sorry to intrude, but please could players remember to compress savegames when using the Org uploader? Only .zip or .rar format files are supposed to be uploaded to save space. Thanks!
Privateerkev
11-27-2007, 01:18
Ah sorry,
The files were so small, the uploader accepted them unzipped.
Alright guys, please make sure you zip or rar the save. :yes:
gibsonsg91921
11-27-2007, 01:27
thats too bad im too busy to play these games and i notoriously forget my passwords. i hope you all have fun - this looks like a lively game and i look forward to seeing it go down.
Privateerkev
11-27-2007, 01:32
With admin access, the GM can now get around you forgetting your password. Unfortunately, the GM can not make you less busy. Hopefully these type of games will keep going on and you will have time to get in on one. :2thumbsup:
gibsonsg91921
11-27-2007, 01:36
yep, maybe during the summer i can. but i assume it will last much longer than 3 months, so we'll see
im satisfied with kotr right now, and if peter dies i'll have a lot of excitement in picking a new avatar
Privateerkev
11-29-2007, 09:36
Alright, we're going on three days so I shot Tristan a PM to see when the next save will be up.
I've said this before, but I'll state it again. I like to keep a brisk pace with games. I would appreciate it if you could do your turn within 48 hours of it being posted. If you can't, I understand but I'd like a PM or a post saying so. Simply not hearing from you for days will start to make me unhappy.
We're a community and I'd like for all of us to know what's going on. :yes:
_Tristan_
11-29-2007, 10:53
Sorry guys... Didn't want to keep youi in the dark but I have had no time to get on my Gaming PC these last few days...
Moreover, I expected MOSH to play his turn on the Teutonic Hotseat so that I could kill two birds with one stone... As this will probably not be possible, I'll play my Crusade turn tonite and post it tomorrow (Friday) morniing at the latest (As I've told PK in a PM already)
I would have liked to have kept the pace up but it couldn't be done this time around...
:stupid:
Privateerkev
11-29-2007, 16:45
Thanks for the heads-up.
Yeah, I figured MOSH would have played his Teutonic save by now too since he was so gun-ho earlier. He hasn't even been online since Saturday. >_<
Thanks for the heads-up.
Yeah, I figured MOSH would have played his Teutonic save by now too since he was so gun-ho earlier. He hasn't even been online since Saturday. >_<
It is kind of odd that after being in such a hurry he's slowed things down twice now.:dizzy2:
That happens sometimes, the guys who demand the most wind up unable to reach the very standards they set for others. I am impressed with PK handling of the game, the GM really has most of the strings.
Privateerkev
11-30-2007, 07:33
That happens sometimes, the guys who demand the most wind up unable to reach the very standards they set for others. I am impressed with PK handling of the game, the GM really has most of the strings.
Thank you. :bow:
In the Crusade game, Tristan, Zim, Doug, and EF make it easy. I don't really have to do anything. I really like the gaming group we have.
I think we have a good group in the Teutonic game as well. (it's no coincidence that their mainly the same people.) I just wish MOSH would be a little more timely with the save game. But dealing with him is EF's job so I'll let him handle it. :yes:
Thank you. :bow:
In the Crusade game, Tristan, Zim, Doug, and EF make it easy. I don't really have to do anything. I really like the gaming group we have.
I think we have a good group in the Teutonic game as well. (it's no coincidence that their mainly the same people.) I just wish MOSH would be a little more timely with the save game. But dealing with him is EF's job so I'll let him handle it. :yes:
:yes: It is a good group. I'd also specifically note that Perfectone in the Teutonic game has also been very good about keeping things going, and the one time he was out a few days he told us well ahead of time.
Yes indeed it is a good group. And EF is doing a great job as GM as well.
_Tristan_
11-30-2007, 09:09
Save is finally up for Byzantium...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-2-3.sav
Sorry, i've just seen that I forgot to rar it... Will do it next time, I promise...
Zim, I've had the same glitch you had on the last page, couldn't save on the Byz loading screen... But I've noticed that I clicked inadvertently in the PW window and unclicking it did the trick...
Nevertheless, not sure, it had done something to the game I reloaded to my save just before the end turn and hit end turn again before saving...
One more thing, I'vejust noticed that on the Diplo screen, clicking on a faction shield opens a chat window :2thumbsup: and I've sent some of you simple messages to see if that works... I don't know if the reload kept the messages...
Let me know...
Be ready to get some message of abuse should you strike at me...:devil:
Privateerkev
11-30-2007, 09:55
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-2-4.sav
Here's the save. I did not get the glitch that Zim and Tristan got. I think it would be a good idea if people continue hitting "quicksave" before hitting end-turn in case this keeps cropping up.
I will again ask that people zip or rar the file before uploading it. Just please do not use me as an example... because I forgot to do it... :sweatdrop:
:embarassed:
Anyways, I did get the diplomatic message Tristan sent. It's a neat feature but I'll keep using PM's because I can track the message. That and I want people to get messages before they take their turn so we can "haggle". ^_^
But I will check my in-game messages every turn in case you send them. It pops up as a announcement at the start of your turn. :2thumbsup:
I'll download the save right away and play my turn tonight. :2thumbsup:
_Tristan_
11-30-2007, 10:03
I will again ask that people zip or rar the file before uploading it. Just please do not use me as an example... because I forgot to do it... :sweatdrop:
Happy to see I'm not the only one with half a brain...:yes:
Anyways, I did get the diplomatic message Tristan sent. It's a neat feature but I'll keep using PM's because I can track the message. That and I want people to get messages before they take their turn so we can "haggle". ^_^
Yes, I'll keep using PM here also but expect some taunting by way of in game messages... (Doug, Zim, you're warned...:whip: )
Tristan, I think you already have a headstart on the taunting via pms. ~;p
_Tristan_
11-30-2007, 10:20
Don't mind me... I'm always like that...
Crusade-2-5 is up! :2thumbsup:
Only one real battle, over Edessa:
https://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8425/image001wi0.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
https://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1251/image002er7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
I also fought a battle against the remnants of that reinforcing army you brought to the town, I can post pics, but it had such an obviously conclusion I didn't think it mattered.
I was pleasantly surprised, the odds were 1:1.
Also, EF, the general in that one castle of yours to the east of Antioch(Alepo?) had an accident. :skull:
Privateerkev
11-30-2007, 10:58
I like how we put the link to the save in here and I'd like us to continue that habit. :yes:
So, here is the save for Doug: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-2-5.zip
On another note, I'm scared that roughly 2300 men facing roughly 1600 men could be considered by the game to be 1:1. Such is the joy of auto-resolve... :dizzy2:
I like how we put the link to the save in here and I'd like us to continue that habit. :yes:
So, here is the save for Doug: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-2-5.zip
On another note, I'm scared that roughly 2300 men facing roughly 1600 men could be considered by the game to be 1:1. Such is the joy of auto-resolve... :dizzy2:
Such is the nature of low stat eastern units up against knights and armoured sergeant equivalent spearmen.
At least I zipped the file. :clown:
Privateerkev
11-30-2007, 11:04
At least I zipped the file. :clown:
You forgot to post the link but zipped the file. I posted the link but forgot to zip the file.
Combined, we would almost encompass proper PBM etiquette. :laugh4:
Crusade-2-5 is up! :2thumbsup:
Only one real battle, over Edessa:
(...you've seen the pics)
I was pleasantly surprised, the odds were 1:1.
Also, EF, the general in that one castle of yours to the east of Antioch(Aleppo?) had an accident. :skull:
:sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: revenge for the jihaders eh? Revenge for your revenge will come soon :whip: .
On another note, I'm scared that roughly 2300 men facing roughly 1600 men could be considered by the game to be 1:1. Such is the joy of auto-resolve... :dizzy2:
Well you know, us guys from Antioch are just such darn good fighters and all :beam: . Zim will find this out soon enough :whip: .
:sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: revenge for the jihaders eh? Revenge for your revenge will come soon :whip: .
Revenge part one should be easy enough. The "Jihad" armies were still out of movement points when my turn started. :sweatdrop:
Doug-Thompson
12-02-2007, 05:40
Crusade-3-1 is up.
Privateerkev
12-02-2007, 05:42
Here's the link for EF:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-3-1.zip
save for Tristan:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-3-2.rar
and Zim, the army that took Edessa was defeated.
save for Tristan:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-3-2.rar
and Zim, the army that took Edessa was defeated.
Interesting, how could you reach them? Antioch doesn't start with much in the way of men in the north and you're big army stouthwest of the city was too far away?
you'll see. [insert evil laugh here]
Privateerkev
12-02-2007, 20:59
Now that everyone has had a chance to put in their passwords, I have tested them and they are all good. The Admin function makes having the password less important, but I would prefer to use the passwords in case of skipping turns or finding temporary replacements, rather than opening the console.
_Tristan_
12-04-2007, 08:35
Save is up for you PK
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-3-3.rar
Privateerkev
12-04-2007, 09:20
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-3-4.zip
Zim's up. :2thumbsup:
Oh boy, now I get to see EF's "surprise". :sweatdrop:
Dare I say it....
Taking the save.
Crusade 3-5 is up! :2thumbsup: And Elite Ferret? The army that defeated the army that took Edessa has been defeated.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-3-5.zip
_Tristan_
12-04-2007, 11:04
Now is my turn to feel the Egyptian wrath...
What a boxing match you seem to have Zim... The desert around Edessa must be a field of corpse... I think I can almost see the vultures from Jerusalem, there are so many of them...:jawdrop:
Now is my turn to feel the Egyptian wrath...
What a boxing match you seem to have Zim... The desert around Edessa must be a field of corpse... I think I can almost see the vultures from Jerusalem, there are so many of them...:jawdrop:
I think it's about to get worse, although the locale will change a bit. EF has an army nearby that may be able to defeat the army that defeated the army that defeated the army that took Edessa. :clown:
_Tristan_
12-04-2007, 11:27
Looks like the Ouroboros, the snake eating its own tail... Until he disappears...
And as nature hates the void... :knight: of Jerusalem :charge: !!!
:laugh4: I wouldn't be the slightest surprise if the only effect of this war was to make the KOJ the strongest power, given that Turkey is stronger vis a vis Antioch than Egypt is against Jerusalem, let alone the fact that the charts show the KOJ increasing rather rapidly in population. Snatching all the rebel settlements, I take it?
_Tristan_
12-04-2007, 11:51
Yummy, yummy...
As to the rapid increasing population, we bred like rabbits... but the christian way (all prim and proper, mind you...) That's the benefit of forbidden birth control :laugh4: ...
More seriously, having multiple high chivalry general helps a lot... My faction Leader is +10 Chiv at the moment...:2thumbsup:
Snatching a few rebel settlements helps a lot also... :2thumbsup:
I'm preparing my write-up, sorting out the screens and so on, to get you all out of the dark... :book:
_Tristan_
12-04-2007, 17:42
Ok, I've done my write-up on my first two turns...
No major hints, just some rebel bashing and some Skirmishes with Egyptians...
The follow-up should be much more lively...
Doug-Thompson
12-05-2007, 19:22
I should be able to get to this tonight.
Doug-Thompson
12-06-2007, 18:17
Didn't get it last night, but will go home for lunch and post then.
Doug-Thompson
12-06-2007, 19:32
Crusade-4-1 is up.
Privateerkev
12-06-2007, 19:50
Doug, if you can, please put a link up of your save when you post.
Like this: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-4-1.zip
There's the save for EF to take. Then he doesn't have to go hunting around on the file list.
Thanks :2thumbsup:
too late I already played the turn :)
next save is here for Tristan: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-4-2.rar
So, EF, was the army that destroyed the army that destroyed the army that took Edessa destroyed? :clown:
unfortunately not, and it looks like the Antiochians are going to be wiped off the map, I underestimated you Zim, I thought those Northern provinces would concentrate on the Byzantines.
unfortunately not, and it looks like the Antiochians are going to be wiped off the map, I underestimated you Zim, I thought those Northern provinces would concentrate on the Byzantines.
I was wondering if you'd see my armies coming from the North. I saw you had a diplomat moving up by a few of them.
Turkey is in such a bad position I figured my only chance was to abandon a front. The Northern provinces are smaller and less well developed so it was an easy decision to pick which one.
Things aren't entirely grim for Turkey's enemies, though. Antioch and the KOJ together are still a very good match for Turkey and Egypt, and I'll surely come to regret letting the Byzantines grow strong on my rear flank.
It's not over yet. :yes:
Doug-Thompson
12-07-2007, 03:39
POWER TO THE SULTAN !!!
:2thumbsup:
:no: the sultan will die eventually, it is only a matter of time and the true God's will :clown: .
_Tristan_
12-07-2007, 17:23
Which sultan are we speaking of ?
Because the Egyptian one has already had a brush with death...
Btw, I will certainly play the save tonite
_Tristan_
12-07-2007, 23:22
PK's turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-4-3.rar
Privateerkev
12-08-2007, 00:26
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-4-4.zip
Zim's turn. :D
Downloading right now. Expect the new save to be posted within the hour.
hehe, another 3 turn per hour thing eh?
So it would seem. I finished my turn. :2thumbsup: Gonna try to upload now, but dialup does really suck(at worst, I should be able to upload it on wireless in a few hours).
Elite Ferret, I regret to inform you that the big army you sent after my Sultan has been eliminated (might be a 100 man remnant somewhere), and it's general fell in battle.
oh dear, there goes my last army :sweatdrop:
oh dear, there goes my last army :sweatdrop:
Also, Raqqa is a really pathetic territory (just check out it's mighty buildings :clown: ). If you wish to use your leader's army to make a last ditch assault, I suggest Edessa, nice mines being built there, large population. I did raze a few buildings, because I thought my attack on the POA would go very poorly and prepared myself to lose a lot of ground and be pushed back to Baghdad. I figured any capture of Edessa was a raid at best. :sweatdrop: It's still a nice town. :yes:
Finally got the save uploaded. Sorry about the wait.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-4-5.zip
Doug-Thompson
12-08-2007, 04:39
I'll play tomorrow, after a good night's sleep.
Doug-Thompson
12-09-2007, 17:53
Crusade-5-1 is up.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-5-1.zip
This is indescribably better than fighting the AI.
save for Tristan: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-5-2.rar
_Tristan_
12-10-2007, 20:37
Got the save (and the flu...) so will certainly get to play it tomorrow
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 05:02
Finally got to play it... Byzzies' turn
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-5-3.rar
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 10:36
Finally got to play it... Byzzies' turn
Is that Turkies turn then?
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-5-4.zip
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 11:08
PK,
Hope you don't mind the familiarity... :clown:
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 11:15
PK,
Hope you don't mind the familiarity... :clown:
Would that make you Kojjies?
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 11:41
I'm in such a state at the moment I don't know what that would make of me...
Holy beejeesus, perhaps... or something like that...
About half done with the turn. I may think about it a bit before continuing.
Oh, and EF, I have eliminated your faction leader's army, and all four of its generals.
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 12:08
Ouch, that hurts... :smash:
.........................:knight:
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 12:11
I'm amused that this Crusade game has ended up so very different from the last one even though 3 of the players are the same. :yes:
I'm amused that this Crusade game has ended up so very different from the last one even though 3 of the players are the same. :yes:
It certainly has. :yes:
I'm excited to see how it turns out. :2thumbsup: Antioch is in trouble, but the KOJ is going strong and just this turn caught up with me in the faction standings chart. I might have just created a vacuum for Tristan.
Ouch, that hurts... :smash:
.........................:knight:
Not only that, but I have his new faction leader under siege. :charge:
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 12:16
It certainly has. :yes:
I'm excited to see how it turns out. :2thumbsup: Antioch is in trouble, but the KOJ is going strong and just this turn caught up with me in the faction standings chart. I might have just created a vacuum for Tristan.
I think he would prefer a stable ally to his north than a vacuum. We'll see how things go in the next couple of turns.
I think he would prefer a stable ally to his north than a vacuum. We'll see how things go in the next couple of turns.
Well, by creating a vacuum I meant I might have overextended myself, leaving myself weak and no POA for him to have to avoid hitting. If he plays his cards right, the KOJ might fill that vacuum and control the whole Levant.
Maybe he'd rather have an ally up that way, but I'd go for becoming a superpower, myself. :clown:
I saw the stuff between Doug and Tristran last game, but not Antoch. How did things go up north in that game, anyway?
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 12:52
When I took the Turks over on the last turn, EF was smacking them silly around Edessa. It was not pretty... :no:
When I took the Turks over on the last turn, EF was smacking them silly around Edessa. It was not pretty... :no:
Wow, I took Edessa without any of the forces from the North having arrived...
Very interesting. :yes:
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 14:05
From what I knew of Antioch moves, it seems the Turks had a passive strategy, waiting on him, which can be either good or bad, but seems difficult with territories so spread out as in Turkey...
The waiting game went fine with me in delaying Egypt attacks, stalling him while gaining ground...
One question, though :I've never played the Crusades add-on in SP, what happens when the Jihad conquers its target, can another Jihad be called immediately or is there a lag like Crusades in Vanilla ?
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 14:07
A sto what I'll do in the North, it will depend on the stance adopted by Turkey, be it diplomacy or WAAAAR !!
I haven't yet reached a decision on that matter
hey stop talking like I'm already dead :P
Zim just forgot the 20 other full stacks of hospitaller knights marching in a big circle who are about to take all of his provinces. Yes I am deadly serious.
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 18:15
Keep fighting !!!
That's the spirit...
I think there's something like 10 turns minimum between crusades/jihads.
From what I knew of Antioch moves, it seems the Turks had a passive strategy, waiting on him, which can be either good or bad, but seems difficult with territories so spread out as in Turkey...
The waiting game went fine with me in delaying Egypt attacks, stalling him while gaining ground...
One question, though :I've never played the Crusades add-on in SP, what happens when the Jihad conquers its target, can another Jihad be called immediately or is there a lag like Crusades in Vanilla ?
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 21:00
I think there's something like 10 turns minimum between crusades/jihads.
Did you mean in Kingdoms or Vanilla ? Because I knew of the 10 turn lag in Vanilla and wondered if it was the same with Kingdoms...
Crusades ? You mean I can call crusades ? WOOT ! WOOT ! :hmg:
I really do not believe I can but if I do.... Yummmmy...
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 21:04
I don't know about Jihads in the Crusade SP game because I always play KoJ.
But the "warpath" in the America campaign has no reload time what so ever. You can just call another if your the Apache's.
Vanilla, I'm not sure about Kingdoms(I know you can't call crusades, though).
Sorry, EF. Game over for Antioch.
https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2821/image001vu7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
Did you mean in Kingdoms or Vanilla ? Because I knew of the 10 turn lag in Vanilla and wondered if it was the same with Kingdoms...
Crusades ? You mean I can call crusades ? WOOT ! WOOT ! :hmg:
I really do not believe I can but if I do.... Yummmmy...
Doug-Thompson
12-13-2007, 21:22
Wow.
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 21:39
Holy Cow...
Well, sorry EF but I guess your out. If you want, you can be the first person I PM if I need a substitute.
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 21:42
Ouch... that really hurts...
Well done, Zim, that was fast... Real fast...
Thanks, guys. :bow:
It was really due to EF's risky decision to put most of his generals in one stack (presumably to make an army capable of fighting mine after he had suffered some losses). With Antioch, holding the last general, already sieged. Well, that was the end.
I would like to second PK. EF, if I ever need a sub for a hotseat game, or I start a new one, you'll be pmed first.
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 21:46
Yeah the Jihad mechanic seems to make up for the horrible auto-resolve the Turks have.
Well played Zim, well played :2thumbsup:
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 21:52
I would disagree PK...
Egypt can also go on Jihad but Doug never did me as much damage and he tried (real hard) believe me... [EDIT : in the 1st game]
It's the sheer mass of troops that surely did EF in...
I tried to help towards the end but it was too late, the mass of troops was too much...
So Zim, is the Jihad over ? What did you gain from it ?
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 21:54
I would also like to add that I think we have the first player-faction destroyed in a MP Hotseat game. :2thumbsup:
Zim can chalk a "kill" marker on his monitor now. :laugh4:
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 22:01
I would also like to add that I think we have the first player-faction destroyed in a MP Hotseat game. :2thumbsup:
Zim can chalk a "kill" marker on his monitor now. :laugh4:
Yes, congratulations once more, Zim...
What I'm really waiting for now, will be the debriefing we will do (I hope) at the end of the game on how we made our choices and what deals allowed us to make those choices...
:jawdrop:
oh dear, you weren't quite as easy to fight as the player in the last game was :sweatdrop: .
Well done and thanks for being a good sport :2thumbsup: .
Maybe now I'll have time to start up the old multi-faction PBM again?
Drat, aside form the screen, my monitor is black. I guess if I used real chalk... :clown:
Tristan, I got experience for my troops and some 5,000 florins. The jihad is over for now.
You are correct, it was outnumbering EF that did him in. I took advantage of free upkeep, lots of mercs in my territory (none extra for Jihad like in vanilla, though), and the Jihad stacks' double move rates to always maneuver myself into having a few stacks on any one of his. This way I could win with few losses.
If he could have fought my armies in detail, he'd have slaughtered them with his better troops (indeed, as long as it was single stacks fighting, he did).
I had 5 stacks on Antioch. Even though it had a good general and a large, strong army, because I otunumbered him so much I had 21 losses for 600 kills, and the otehr 600+ of his men died automatically because they were in a settlement.
With the battles autocalced, army maneuvering is everything.
Tristan, I didn't see any of your men in my or EF's territory. What kind of help did you send?
Also, you left King's Gift completely empty. Not sure if that was on purpose or not. :clown: I guess we could take turns sacking it. Poor town.
:bow: EF, it was a good game. For a while, when we were just trading stacks, I thought I'd lose the battle of attrition. It was only using the extra move from the Jihad that enabled me to chase that four general army around. Had our situations been reversed, I have no doubt the same would happen to me.
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 22:07
In fact, the flu made me make some mistake like forgetting to leave one unit in that town...
I expected to use the army that took KG but it was too far, too late...
Like Pegasus Bridge...
Tristan I guess my little plan of ganging up on Doug while I held off the Turks didn't work out quite so well this time round, and what about Phillip of France!!!!! Such a shame, I blame Stig for making us start again :clown:
anway I'll still be following this thread and now :bow: to Zim as the almighty hotseat PBM god!
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 22:08
Also, you left King's Gift completely empty. Not sure if that was on purpose or not.
What's "king's gift"?
What I'm really waiting for now, will be the debriefing we will do (I hope) at the end of the game on how we made our choices and what deals allowed us to make those choices...
I'd be up for a debriefing. A lot happened in the beginning of the game that allowed the result you see now.
oh dear, you weren't quite as easy to fight as the player in the last game was :sweatdrop:
Well, the last real Turk player was gone for 3 weeks. And I was left with the mess she made. ^_^
But Zim basically took the worse faction and did just about the riskiest strategy with them and pulled it off. Kudos. :D
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 22:10
No problem, EF... I knew it wuld be different even before we started...
We all learn from our mistakes...
Perhaps you had it too easy the first time around...
What's "king's gift"?
A town of about 2000 people on Jerusalem's northern border. My spy noticed it was empty and I sacked it with a heavily depleted Mujahawhatsit unit.
I'd be up for a debriefing. A lot happened in the beginning of the game that allowed the result you see now.
Sure, I'd even be willing to tell EF what happened via pm, if he promised not to tell Tristan until it became obvious. :yes:
Well, the last real Turk player was gone for 3 weeks. And I was left with the mess she made. ^_^
But Zim basically took the worse faction and did just about the riskiest strategy with them and pulled it off. Kudos. :D
Aw, shucks :embarassed: . I just saw how desperate the situation was, made a drastic and desperate decision, then pounded relentlessly into EF's territories and armies. No real strategy.
What Doug and Tristan did in the last game, that took finesse and skill.
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 22:14
What's "king's gift"?
I've the habit of renaming the captured settlements...
King's Gift is Homs in the original...
I've done the same in the Teutonic Game and posted about the changes in the story thread...
haven't done it yet for Crusades...
The name derives from the fact that it was intended as a gift to EF... a tiny bit of help
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 22:18
Don't worry about spoilers...
I have a hunch about what shady deals were made behind the scene.
Something along the lines of :
A :"Feel free to take my northern provinces while I deal with that pesky neighbor."
B : "Thanks a lot, be assured that I won't interfere in your quarrel."
Replace A and B by who you know and Bang !!!
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 22:22
I've the habit of renaming the captured settlements...
You can rename settlements? I thought the stuff in the Teutonic thread was just "story". I didn't know you actually changed the names in the game. Cool. How do you do it?
Sure, I'd even be willing to tell EF what happened via pm, if he promised not to tell Tristan until it became obvious. :yes:
I approve of that as long as EF promises not to tell Tristan. (we have to have some secrets kept from some of the players. plus some of it involved a certain non-muslim faction...) :2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
12-13-2007, 22:23
Don't worry about spoilers...
I have a hunch about what shady deals were made behind the scene.
Something along the lines of :
A :"Feel free to take my northern provinces while I deal with that pesky neighbor."
B : "Thanks a lot, be assured that I won't interfere in your quarrel."
Replace A and B by who you know and Bang !!!
It was actually more than that. Hence the secrecy. :2thumbsup:
Don't worry about spoilers...
I have a hunch about what shady deals were made behind the scene.
Something along the lines of :
A :"Feel free to take my northern provinces while I deal with that pesky neighbor."
B : "Thanks a lot, be assured that I won't interfere in your quarrel."
Replace A and B by who you know and Bang !!!
:laugh4: That is pretty close to the truth, although if the Byzzies hadn't agreed, I'd have just razed my Northern territories and abandoned them. I was not inclined to fight a two front war.
Edit: If EF wants to know, I'll tell him. :yes:
PK On the settlement screen, just click your mouse near the name of the town on top, and you can change it.
I'd be delighted to be enlighted, and I'm sure I'll learn something in the process.
_Tristan_
12-13-2007, 22:28
I began to think along those lines long ago but there was nothing I could do...
I use to rely more on the strat map than the diplomacy, my failing perhaps...
And now i'm off to bed
It's 10PM and I was up at 4 AM...
Wow, I just noticed a faction lost in turn 5. :dizzy2:
Sorry, guys. My thumb drive, which I use to switch files from my gaming computer to my one with wireless, is acting up. I managed to go on dial-up on the gaming computer and email myself the Britannia file, downloading it to the other computer, and reuploading it, but my dial-up is being less cooperative.
I'll find a way to get that save up before Doug finishes up his Teutonic Order game turn tonight.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-5-5.zip
Finally! :2thumbsup:
Doug-Thompson
12-14-2007, 07:41
Crusade-6-1 is up.
And it was something to see "Kingdom of Jeruasalem" pop up instead of "Kingdom of Antioch."
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-6-1.zip
_Tristan_
12-14-2007, 09:31
Crusade-6-1 is up.
Got it, should play it tonite...
You can rename settlements? How do you do it?
On the Buildings/recruitment scroll, double-click on the settlement's name on the banner, a cursor should appear... Type in the name you want and then click on the other tab than the one you're on (so click on Rec if your on Build, or Build if your on Rec.) and Zap... Name changed...
I like it a lot, I use it to tease players or to give me a sense of property...
:yes:
Well Done Zim! Remember it's not over till the fat lady sings.
Well done EF! for being a good sport & not whining ur butt off as a lot of others may have done !
Well Done Zim! Remember it's not over till the fat lady sings.
Well done EF! for being a good sport & not whining ur butt off as a lot of others may have done !
Indeed, EF and I went from mortal foes, to planning another multiplayer game (A sort of mini KOTR game as the Teutonic Order) together. :yes:
Privateerkev
12-14-2007, 13:53
I've changed the table on the first post to reflect the changes that have happened in the game. Therefore, we all have new "save numbers" so please make note of those and use your new number.
Thank you. :2thumbsup:
Doug-Thompson
12-14-2007, 18:02
Well Done Zim! Remember it's not over till the fat lady sings.
Well done EF! for being a good sport & not whining ur butt off as a lot of others may have done !
I figured you'd be mighty pleased with this turn of events, Sinan.:2thumbsup:
_Tristan_
12-16-2007, 16:39
Sorry for the delay, guys...
But with Antioch taken out, I had to think good and well about my moves...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-6-2.rar
Doug-Thompson
12-16-2007, 16:59
Sorry for the delay, guys...
But with Antioch taken out, I had to think good and well about my moves...
Perfectly understandable.
_Tristan_
12-16-2007, 18:16
Mostly it was due to Doug's little "backdoor nasty surprise", which I knew would be coming (seeing how his fleet seemed to have disappeared)...
Privateerkev
12-16-2007, 20:51
Here is the save for Zim:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-6-3.zip
Got the save. I might be a little while, I have a lot of considering as well, but I should get the new one back up well within 24 hours.
Privateerkev
12-17-2007, 18:21
Since questions about "sub" policies have come up in another game, I'll lay out my guidlines.
Subs have full access to their faction's save games.
Subs can "maintain" the alliances they have and coordinate with those allies as much as they want.
Subs should not make significant changes to the strategy of the faction unless they become a "permanent replacement".
:oops: Sorry guys! Not only have I been sitting on the save a day, but all this time I've been wondering how Doug is doing in his turn. :embarassed:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-6-4.zip
Still within 24hrs though! I'll still be following this thread btw, I'm sure the crusaders will prevail in the end.
Doug-Thompson
12-17-2007, 22:38
I should get to this tonight.
Doug-Thompson
12-18-2007, 02:21
Crusade 7-1 is up.
Privateerkev
12-19-2007, 02:00
Alright, I suspect we will have a slowdown because of the holidays. I understand but please let us know if you can't get to your save within 48 hours. There are still those of us who will be able to play our saves and we'd like to at least be updated as to estimated eta's on the save game.
Communication makes for a happy GM :yes:
Privateerkev
12-19-2007, 02:16
I don't think it's been a problem in here, but this subject has been brought up in the other two hotseats so I'll address it.
When you post the link to the new save, please post it in a completely new post and not in an "edit". If you edit an old post, there is a chance that someone will miss it. Posting the link in a new post forces the thread to the top of the forum and will show up in our accounts as "unread", which will make it more likely that it will be noticed by the next player in line.
Please do this even if it means you would have to "double-post". As far as I know, double-posting is not against the rules as long as it is not "spam".
See, with three hotseats, issues come up at thrice the speed, and we get to clarify rules that much quicker! :clown:
Privateerkev
12-19-2007, 02:23
Between these three Kingdoms hotseats, the Grand Campaign multiplayer, and KotR, we have done a good job at hammering out "PBM etiquette".
Except for a few things, most of the issues are at the discretion of the GM.
An example of something that is to be applied to all PBM's is to "zip" the save since that is .Org policy.
Luckily, most of the hotseat GMs seem to be mostly on the same page, so the rules don't differ too much. :yes:
Privateerkev
12-19-2007, 02:31
Luckily, most of the hotseat GMs seem to be mostly on the same page, so the rules don't differ too much. :yes:
It also doesn't hurt that a majority of the players are in 2 of the hotseats either. 2 of the "craziest" and "nerdiest" are even in all three. ;)
Me, crazy and nerdy? And I've always thought of myself as insane and geeky. :clown:
_Tristan_
12-20-2007, 19:04
Finally the save is up...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-7-2.rar
PK, I have one question : I think I could go for 72hrs delays but 24 or 48 are a bit short for me... So would you keep me in or do you prefer to find someone else to play the KoJ (I hope it will be the former)...
Anyway, I might not be long into the game... I have my F£%$ing B@££s in a pincer at the moment...
Privateerkev
12-20-2007, 19:14
PK, I have one question : I think I could go for 72hrs delays but 24 or 48 are a bit short for me... So would you keep me in or do you prefer to find someone else to play the KoJ (I hope it will be the former)...
I want to avoid getting subs. Not that we don't have good subs in the throne room. But I rather that the players get to play their faction the whole time if possible.
The Holidays are coming and I realize people have other stuff going on.
Please try to keep to 48 hours. If you can't make 48 hours, then I would like for there to be updates in here if your going to be on the .Org forums anyways.
Just keep us as a community informed. I just don't want people "pulling a MOSH" where they totally dissapear for a week and no one knows what is going on.
I will promise that I will not make a decision regarding subs or replacements lightly. You have proven to be a very active and dedicated player so I want to work with you as long as you keep working with us.
So, if your ever going to take more than 48 hours, then let us know. I am very hesitent to officially increase the delay to 72 hours as I am afraid it might slow the game down. If you can not consistently make 48 hours, then try to come close. If you can't even come close, then let me know and we can work something out.
Hey PK, what time can you play today/tonight? Maybe we can get several turns done in an hour again. :clown:
Privateerkev
12-20-2007, 19:20
Hey PK, what time can you play today/tonight? Maybe we can get several turns done in an hour again. :clown:
I'm at work now so I hope to get to mine in 3-4 hours. :yes:
Privateerkev
12-20-2007, 23:14
Here is the latest save:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-7-3.zip
Gah, that's what I get for watching a movie with the family. ~;p
Taking the save.
Ok, finished my turn and am currently engaged in the adventure that is trying to get the save uploaded on dial-up. Should be up soon. :yes:
Apparently a combination of expansion and Tristan killing off my soldiers has put my economy into the black well before I ran out of florins. Woohoo! :2thumbsup:
Sorry about the wait everyone, my wireless is working again. :2thumbsup:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-7-4.zip
Doug-Thompson
12-22-2007, 07:10
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-8-1.zip is up.
_Tristan_
12-22-2007, 17:03
Got the save
_Tristan_
12-24-2007, 16:32
Played and uploaded...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-8-2.rar
Privateerkev
12-24-2007, 17:53
For Zim:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-8-3.zip
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-8-4.zip
All done.
Doug-Thompson
12-27-2007, 15:05
Sorry for the delay. Will get to it today.
Doug-Thompson
12-28-2007, 06:28
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-9-1.zip is up.
Privateerkev
12-28-2007, 16:58
Alright, holiday leniency is over. Try to go for 24 hours from time of upload. 48 is allowed. More than that requires notification per turn. :yes:
_Tristan_
12-28-2007, 18:50
Here's the save...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-9-2.rar
It gets more and more interesting...
Happy hunting, PK ? I meant happy conquering ...
Privateerkev
12-28-2007, 20:26
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-9-3.zip
for Zim
Got the save, should have the new one up tomorrow.
Privateerkev
12-29-2007, 17:04
Don't bother, I have ejected you.
I refuse to play with someone who refuses to communicate with me in PM's. I am the GM and I simply have to be able to communicate with every player on a OOC level.
Someone who is reading this may contact me if they wish to be a replacement.
Doug-Thompson
12-29-2007, 17:19
:inquisitive:
Well, it was nice playing with you guys. :yes:
To the next Turkish player: Move some of those agents into your stacks and armies. Tristan(Kingdom of Jerusalem) is very good at using his own offensively. Most of all, good luck!
Doug-Thompson
12-29-2007, 19:53
OK.
What just happened?
Zim got kicked off because he wouldn't return PMs to PK?
Basically a pm argument got out of hand. You can consider PK's version to be the correct one. I'm not really interested in dragging this out, so I'm not going to post in this thread any more now that I'm out of the game.
Good luck, guys. :beam:
Doug-Thompson
12-29-2007, 20:29
Uh, OK I guess.
Without objection, I'll PM Sinan. He's a Turk player through and through.
Tristan, got any thoughts on this?
_Tristan_
12-29-2007, 21:29
I don't like people with oversized egos... is all...
But I'm quite fine with Sinan taking Zim's place even if it changes the whole game...
That's why I don't like the idea of having a GM so much...
GM is just that, it doesn't grant any god-like powers...
I'm sorry to see arguments turn this way...
PK, I'm a bit disappointed in you... but I will respect your will as GM whoever wrong that might seem to me...
Doug-Thompson
12-31-2007, 17:20
Well, Sinan can't do it.
I may be slitting my own throat here, but Elite Ferret did get his game cut short.
Despite his pro-Crusader sympathies, it would be nice if he got to play again.
Privateerkev
12-31-2007, 22:59
It was a simple matter. Zim asked me to never PM him again. I will of course accept his wishes. But I simply can not have a player who will not communicate with me. It just would not work.
If you wish to discuss it more, your welcome to PM me.
I obviously took a couple days off. I learned a long time ago that when anything gets "weird" on the internet, it is good to take a step back and go live "real life".
Since it's the holidays, we'll take a couple more days off. I want the break. I'll come back in a couple more days. If we want to continue this game, I'll try to drum up another player (like EF), and we'll game on.
Enjoy whatever New Year celebrations your planning. :balloon2:
_Tristan_
01-01-2008, 08:25
PK, in the spirit of the New Year could you try to make peace with Zim ?
It is only a game after all...
We are all trying to have fun and having Zim out at this point severely takes away the fun for me...
Hope things can go back to normal soon... I have been having fun interacting with the both of you on threads or by PM and would like to go on but it feels a bit awkward now
Privateerkev
01-03-2008, 03:23
Alright, I enjoyed my break so much that I'm going to take another.
I'm leaving the fate of the game up to Econ. I just pm'd him all the passwords.
If anyone wants to take over, drop him a line.
_Tristan_
01-03-2008, 09:52
I wish to let you know that I am up for taking over the game as GM if it is all right with you, Doug...
I'll post an announcement for empty slots in the game in the Throne Room...
[EDIT] : Zim is reinstated as the Turkish player from this moment on...
Save is here for Turkey : http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-9-3.zip
Doug-Thompson
01-03-2008, 16:29
I wish to let you know that I am up for taking over the game as GM if it is all right with you, Doug...
I'm more than fine with that. Let's go.
Zim is reinstated as the Turkish player from this moment on...
Excellent.
_Tristan_
01-03-2008, 21:38
GeneralHankerchief has asked to join and I have accepted his request...
I have been thinking of having replay PK last turn before Zim is on...
Let me know Zim and Doug what you're thinking of that...
If you are OK, then the save is here :
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-9-2.rar
GeneralHankerchief
01-03-2008, 21:50
Gentlemen, thanks for having more. I am fully confident that I can turn this situation around and turn our powerhouse Empire into a bastion of mediocrity in no time at all. :yes:
Anyway, my preference is that Zim plays on as Turkey. That way it would give me some time to get myself acclimated with the game and position everyone's in.
Thanks for letting me back in, Tristan. :bow:
I have no problem with GH replaying the last Byzantine turn to get a better handle on the situation. :yes:
GeneralHankerchief
01-03-2008, 22:00
Also, I don't have the password. :oops:
Doug-Thompson
01-03-2008, 22:39
No prolem for Zim. No problem for me, either. Welome aboard, GeneralHankerchief.
GeneralHankerchief has asked to join and I have accepted his request...
I have been thinking of having replay PK last turn before Zim is on...
Let me know Zim and Doug what you're thinking of that...
If you are OK, then the save is here :
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-9-2.rar
Tristan will have to get that from Econ21. :yes:
GeneralHankerchief
01-03-2008, 22:42
Tristan will have to get that from Econ21. :yes:
In the interests of keeping things moving, you can take your turn.
In the interests of keeping things moving, you can take your turn.
Ok, but I'll have to wait a couple hours. Wireless is down and my dialup is useless for uploading saves. :clown:
Wireless is back up! :2thumbsup: I'll getthe save up before I go to bed tonight.
_Tristan_
01-04-2008, 10:41
If Doug can play it soon after, i should be able to play my turn tonite
Done.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-9-4.zip
Good luck Doug, and curse you and your assassins, Tristan. ( ~;) )
_Tristan_
01-04-2008, 11:20
Curse you and your assassins, Tristan. ( ~;) )
Sorry but I have to fight dirty... It has become street-brawling to me...
But it has taken its toll on my King... He's gone from almost 8 or 9 chiv to 4 or 5 dread in a matter of 5 turns...
Hence how the story develops...
If it makes you feel better, my Sultan had started to do the same dreadwise, and all I used assassins for was agent clearing. :yes:
You almost wiped Turkey out, most of my generals are not FMs. :sweatdrop:
Sorry but I have to fight dirty... It has become street-brawling to me...
But it has taken its toll on my King... He's gone from almost 8 or 9 chiv to 4 or 5 dread in a matter of 5 turns...
Hence how the story develops...
_Tristan_
01-04-2008, 11:34
Your Sultan died fighting if it is any comfort to you... No assassins were involved in his death, same for your Prince sometime before...
My assassins are mostly there to soften the stacks by removing their generals or when the Jihad was on, to take out Egypt generals hence killing their recruiting capabilities...
Any enemy agent is also fair game...
Not to give you lessons but you would have played a better hand in giving the defense of Tripoli to the Tutush general and left your Sultan out of the town...
A general in a besieged or "besiegeable" town is as good as dead...
Hmmm, I thought I did place him in the stack next to the town. I gues I should be more careful.
I'll definately be using agents defensively from now on. I never bothered with them much against the AI, since it wasn't neccessary, but I'm finding they make a huge difference in MP.
I wonder if an awful lot of MP Kings in these hotseats will end up with dread rather than chivalry now. :clown:
_Tristan_
01-04-2008, 11:48
I'll definately be using agents defensively from now on. I never bothered with them much against the AI, since it wasn't neccessary, but I'm finding they make a huge difference in MP.
I'm not quite sure about this... Anyway, it might be too late now... My own assassins and spies have reached high-levels...
Against Doug, they have even managed to kill Generals in stacks with spies or assassins, most times by killing the agents first...
Only faction leaders and princes are protected from their personal security traits...
As for Leaders becoming dreadlords, I'm not sure... My French King in MPC is recruiting and using spies by the bucket and he is still noble in rule with no dread traits IIRC...
Interesting, although even very high level assassins are fairly easy to kill with your own for some reason.
I'm kind of curious what the no adoption rule will do for agent usage in the MPC. Without a quick way of getting new family members an assassin blitz might be able to take out a faction. How much does the security bonus help the Leader and Heir?
Well, it's about 3 in the morning in my timezone. G'night Tristan, I'm off to dream of generals and assassinated family members.
If you get a chance, could you tell me who led the army that killed the Sultan? I might write a story about it. :yes:
_Tristan_
01-04-2008, 11:58
Sure it was none but Richard the Lionheart, recently arrived from Europe...
I'm hearing the Alliance March from Star Wars.... Thinking about it...
Doug-Thompson
01-05-2008, 04:00
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-10-1.zip is up.
You have to look for it up high, among the first turns. Next game, we need to number things "Crusade-01-01" and so forth.
Doug-Thompson
01-05-2008, 04:14
By the way, I have to agree with Zim that I never was prone to use agents as much in single-player. This brood of Ninjas that Tristan has spawned have given me fits.
_Tristan_
01-05-2008, 16:03
To be honest, I always use a lot of agents... I started doing it in STW, kept on with RTW and now on to M2TW...
The big change comes from the Teutonic Order hotseat where I'm almost unable to field a single agent...
_Tristan_
01-06-2008, 15:59
GH, your turn is up...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-10-2.rar
Things are really becoming tense... And we're only at turn #10...:2thumbsup:
What a bunch of rushers we sem to be...
And Zim, I see you have taken to spamming assassins... Nice little party they are throwing east of King's Gift... :7ninja: :7ninja: :7ninja: :7ninja:
Lastly, Doug, if you're looking for your Prince, look at the edge of the map down south near the sea... If he could have I think he would have retreated out of the map...:laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
01-06-2008, 16:25
I'll get to it later today.
Doug-Thompson
01-06-2008, 20:28
GH, your turn is up...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-10-2.rar
Things are really becoming tense... And we're only at turn #10...:2thumbsup:
What a bunch of rushers we sem to be...
And Zim, I see you have taken to spamming assassins... Nice little party they are throwing east of King's Gift... :7ninja: :7ninja: :7ninja: :7ninja:
Lastly, Doug, if you're looking for your Prince, look at the edge of the map down south near the sea... If he could have I think he would have retreated out of the map...:laugh4:
At this point, Ninja master, I'm just glad he's alive.
_Tristan_
01-06-2008, 21:29
At this point, Ninja master, I'm just glad he's alive.
Going after him would have been a waste of manpower... I've been tempted nevertheless...
Thanks for the monicker anyway... I like it but soon it may be applied to Zim too...
GeneralHankerchief
01-06-2008, 22:55
You're up, Zim.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-10-3.zip
Going after him would have been a waste of manpower... I've been tempted nevertheless...
Thanks for the monicker anyway... I like it but soon it may be applied to Zim too...
So far my assassins have killed a total of 0 generals. :clown:
Alright, taking the save. Time to see the bad news.
I guess it could be worse. Tristan, we just traded Purgatory and King's Gift for Damascus. :clown:
My assassins had more luck this turn, I guess I'm Deputy Ninja Master.
_Tristan_
01-07-2008, 09:03
I guess it could be worse. Tristan, we just traded Purgatory and King's Gift for Damascus. :clown:
A trade I was more than willing to do... :2thumbsup:
It is all about choices... Sometimes you must cut a limb to save the tree...
Doug-Thompson
01-07-2008, 17:29
Is it ready?
It is now.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-10-4.zip
Doug-Thompson
01-08-2008, 15:41
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-10-4.zip is up.
Doug-Thompson
01-10-2008, 00:54
bump
Doug-Thompson
01-12-2008, 05:50
Bump.
GeneralHankerchief
01-12-2008, 06:15
We waiting on Tristan?
I think so, although I find it odd Doug apparently used the same file save name as I used for the save I uploaded for him. I think it should be http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-11-1.zip.
I'll pm Tristan, maybe he's been out or something.
We waiting on Tristan?
Doug-Thompson
01-12-2008, 18:36
I must have linked the wrong file, but that's a mistake Tristan would have noticed.
_Tristan_
01-12-2008, 20:22
OK finally got the save now that my internet is finally working...
Will post the new save ASAP...
_Tristan_
01-13-2008, 09:14
New save for GH...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-11-2.rar
GeneralHankerchief
01-13-2008, 21:47
All yours, Zim.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-11-3.zip
I'm afraid to look. :clown:
Should get to it today.
Crap. I'm having a bit of trouble with the wireless, but the turn is played. I will get it uploaded asap, within 12 hours (more likely 7).
Done!
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-11-4.zip
Doug-Thompson
01-16-2008, 22:07
Should get to it tonight.
Doug-Thompson
01-17-2008, 03:33
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-12-01.zip is up.
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