Britannia Hotseat Campaign:OOC thread

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm coming to the view that you're nobody in India unless you've had your effigy burned

[Cheetah]

Lesson learned: Cavalry, even knights, really suck in autocalc. I fought a battle against a Norse army with 2:1 odds in my favor, and if it weren't for friendly fire on the part of Norway's force, losses on both sides would have been even.

Having troubles defeating a sick lion? ~;p good ol' Prince Knud. ~;)

Realistically he is 5 star general with the most experienced troops, what do you expect?

[phonicsmonkey]

the sands of time are running low for prince knud

[Zim]

My own general was pretty good as well, and my army was much higher quality and more expensive.:sweatdrop:

Anyway, losses one each side would have been even if your men hadn't managed to kill a good 30 of their own. :clown:


Having troubles defeating a sick lion? ~;p good ol' Prince Knud. ~;)

Realistically he is 5 star general with the most experienced troops, what do you expect?

[Zim]

Could be worse, I know someone from the country who's had friends burned, and not in effigy. :sweatdrop:


I'm coming to the view that you're nobody in India unless you've had your effigy burned

[Cheetah]

the sands of time are running low for prince knud

He is not afraid to die. ~;)

[Cheetah]

my army was much higher quality and more expensive.:sweatdrop:


Expensive is not the equivalent of experience. ~;)

[phonicsmonkey]

cheetah, I applaud your good humour and sportsmanship in the face of adversity

i'm afraid that when king haakon shows up we're really going to have our hands full with you...:juggle2:

[Zim]

If I remember my Norse SP campaign from long ago correctly, Haakon shows up in the first couple turns.

I'm impressed by Cheetah's bevaior as well as his skill. There seems to be something about long odds that brings out the best in hotseat players (see Tristan in the Teutonic game, who kicked the butts of most of the factions on the map, me included, by himself).

I hope I keep half that good humor when the inevitable "everyone turns on England" event occurs.

[Zim]

Phonicsmonkey, did Roadkill read your pm? I'm wondering if he's having internet problems. He's already missed two turns. I know another player who'd like to sub, Boyar's Son, I could ask him if Roadkill can't do it.

[phonicsmonkey]

please, call me monkey

I'm not completely au fait with the whole pm thing, but I have zero unconfirmed message receipts which suggests he has read it

if there's a way I can look to see when he read it let me know and I'll do it...

[Zim]

Other than looking at your private message reciepts, I can't think of a way to tell. If you erase yours like I do, that might not work.

I'll send him a pm. I think he has another day left before the deadline (well, half a day). If he can't play the turn I'll find a sub.

I'm starting to think one could constantly be playing in at least one hotseat just by being on sub duty full time. :clown:

No burning in effigy for me, I'll just stick to calling you Maan Ki. ~;)

[deguerra]

Perhaps ask Doug. Or is somebody else going to be available quickly?

[deguerra]

I don't want to seem selfish, but I would rather like to play my last turn before I leave. If we cannot find a sub, can I do it again? And seeing as this is the third time, I hate to say it, but should we perhaps be looking for another player?

[Zim]

Roadkill still hasn't answered my pm. :sweatdrop:

Go ahead and sub the turn. You're the only one who's subbed for him, so I suppose it doesn't matter if you see where his men are (which may bear no relation to where they were when he last played anyway).

I'll see if I can get in touch with him before his next turn and work something out. If need be, we'll get a new player.

[deguerra]

Righto. I'll get to that, and my own turn after work then. I don't want to throw RoadKill out, far from it, but its not only that we always have to wait for him he also never seems to answer the messages. Oh well. Maybe hes just got a lot on or something.

[phonicsmonkey]

I don't know what his current situation is, or what's been going on in other hotseats but I looked back over his turns in this game, and he has only missed the deadline twice before this turn (out of nine turns)

Once over New Year's Eve (which I think is excusable), and last turn when deguerra subbed for him

So it seems like it's a recent issue, maybe with his internet as Zim suggested...

If possible it'd be great to keep the same players in the game - we've already had one switch and although luckily that hasn't disrupted things thanks to deguerra's consistency with PK's gameplay, we know from PO's experience in the Teutonic game that it can be frustrating and disruptive.

So if there's any way of getting in touch with Roadkill and sounding him out before making a permanent switch let's do that.

Does anyone have an email address for him?

[Zim]

I'd personally rather not have the players changed either, but I do think that with absence number 3 and with no replies to pms, we have a problem. He did play his GHC2 turn, which came up about the same time as his last turn here. I would suspect he's either having trouble with his internet connection (like EF, where it's on and off again) or having time issues.

Unfortunately, I don't have his email and his account isn't set up so I can send him one via the ORG. I'll just have to try another pm.

At any rate, if deguerra plays his turn tonight Roadkill should have about a week or so until the next one. Hopefully that will give us all enough time to sort things out. :yes:

[deguerra]

don't get me wrong, switching players is the last thing I want, and I didn't want to sound harsh or abbrasive. But on the other hand, I do want this hotseat to continue in a timely fashion, and currently its being a bit slow. Let's hope he comes back soon

[phonicsmonkey]

I didn't want to sound harsh or abbrasive.

I didn't think you were being, and I apologise if I came across as suggesting that you were.

I was just trying to avoid someone getting a reputation for being unreliable that may not be deserved.

I'm all in favour of subbing this turn of his by the way..although I'd still prefer a neutral third party to do the subbing rather than another player in this hotseat...

Nothing personal deguerra...

[Zim]

deguerra was a third party the first time he subbed. Since he's been the guy making the moves for Wales these past two turns, it might provide some consistency in absence of instruction from Roadkill for him to sub again.

I could probably find another person, if need be, but we should decide quickly if we can.


I'm all in favour of subbing this turn of his by the way..although I'd still prefer a neutral third party to do the subbing rather than another player in this hotseat...

Nothing personal deguerra...

[phonicsmonkey]

we should decide quickly if we can.

your call GM, I will abide by it

[deguerra]

no worries phonicsmonkey, I too would prefer if we had an outside sub, but just wanted to keep things moving. Zim, just ask barcamartin or someone. But please make them do it before Sunday :whip: :beam:

[_Tristan_]

With directions as to what to do or the diplomatic situation of the Wales (?) faction, I could do it Friday evening... if you're still lokking for a sub...

[Cheetah]

With directions as to what to do or the diplomatic situation of the Wales (?) faction, I could do it Friday evening... if you're still lokking for a sub...

Well, let me see, Wales was just about to launch a surprise attack on England, and on Ireland, and ... on Scottland :idea2:

:laugh4: :laugh4: :clown:

As far as I can see he is turtling, just teching up, which is quite reasonable with Wales.

[Cheetah]

cheetah, I applaud your good humour and sportsmanship in the face of adversity


Well, thanks, though trust me it takes some effort to keep my humour in the light of the events. ~;)



I'm impressed by Cheetah's bevaior as well as his skill. There seems to be something about long odds that brings out the best in hotseat players (see Tristan in the Teutonic game, who kicked the butts of most of the factions on the map, me included, by himself).

Unfortunately, I am nowhere near of kicking anyones butt ... beating up a few careless general with ill supplied troops is not exactly butt kicking ... ~;p though ofc it sounds great in the council thread. :clown:



I hope I keep half that good humor when the inevitable "everyone turns on England" event occurs.

Needless to say this is what i am waiting for!!! I wonder when will the interested parties realise that they have to gang up on the strongest economic power in order to win and not on the weakest!

[deguerra]

three main things:

1. Norway still started this war. If Norway wants to end it, let's hear its offer.

2. I cannot feasably turn south if my north is roaming with untrustworthy barbarians.

3. IC reasons. Alexander will not easily turn on England. Should William Wallace ever arrive, well, then things may be different.

:2thumbsup:

[RoadKill]

Sorry, blame school. Deguerra should be my full-time sub. :laugh4:

Anyways, School is screwing me over, I hardly have enough time to even come on the forum, or play MTW2. AND TO MY LUCK!!! I made the basketball, volleyball, and football team. :thumbsdown: Don't worry though. Give me a week or two and it'll be back to normal.

So deguerra if I seem inactive don't even wait, just sub for me.

PS: I hope your a good MTW2 player.....

[deguerra]

Thanks for letting us know RoadKill. Ok I will do this tonight then.

[Cheetah]

three main things:

1. Norway still started this war. If Norway wants to end it, let's hear its offer.


I have already made my offer. Which is a 50%-50% split of the original rebel settlements. I also made it clear both to you and to the previous scottish player that I have no claims on the mainland (other then what I already have, i.e. Wick).

The war started because the previous scottish player made heavily one sided claims, i.e. he claimed all the rebel settlements for himself, and showed no will to compromise.



2. I cannot feasably turn south if my north is roaming with untrustworthy barbarians.



I have never backstabbed anyone neither in this or in any other game. When I started the war I made a public announcement in the council, it was no surprise to anyone.

[Zim]

The last Scottish player claimed every nearby rebel settlement with 50% or more Scottish culture, that being just about all of them. :clown: I wouldn't say Cheetah started the war, more that he was backed into a very unpleasant corner. In those circumstances I would have attacked as well.

We've all been pretty open about starting wars in this game. :yes:

[deguerra]

All right. I have attempted preliminary peace talks with the Norse. Can England and Ireland PM me their IC thoughts on such matters?

[Zim]

Glad to hear you're still in, Roadkill. After this turn I'll probably ask Tristan or another player outside of this game to sub for you. With so few players, it could cause problems having someone in the game deciding what troops you hire and where they go. :sweatdrop:

I'll let you know if I find a sub and you can send him directions in case you miss any more turns these next two weeks.

[deguerra]

after some PMing and remembering troubles regarding the Welsh password, I finally remember. Roadkill, that is just cruel :beam:

Anyway, Norway is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-9-5.rar

[deguerra]

Hey guys. Just to remind you I'll be gone for the next three weeks. Zim is taking over the first week and barcamartin from then on, so Roadkill be sure to let them know when its their turns.

Otherwise best of luck guys its been a pleasure playing with you and I hope you won't have destroyed me when I get back ~;)

[Zim]

Bump

[Cheetah]

Sorry for the delay, I will upload it today.

[phonicsmonkey]

Bump

Cheetah?

[Zim]

I guess I'll see about getting a sub to play tomorrow. Probably internet trouble or something.

[phonicsmonkey]

I will sub for him!

:laugh4:

[Zim]

You could sub for him for the Grand Campaign game. :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

good point

I won't have a chance tonight as I'm going to the cricket, but I'll drop in tomorrow some time and see if you still need somebody - pm me the password in the meantime so I can crack on with it if you're offline

vanilla 1.3 I presume? think I still have that dusty old icon somewhere...

go ahead without me if you find somebody else first, of course

[Zim]

I'll see if one of his allies in the game wants to first. Although I think it would be better for a player that isn't in that game to sub for him, he might object to one of his mortal enemies in this game doing his turn in another. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

I think he'd have to assume I'm a very vindictive person to have any problem with that...but I take your point

[Zim]

If I can't get in touch with them before I go to bed tonight (about 4-6 hours) I'll pm you the password. I wish I could pm instructions, but other than going after rebel settlements I don't know much. :sweatdrop:

[_Tristan_]

I subbed for Cheetah (he is in a tough spot...)

Here is the save for England :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-10-1.rar

[Cheetah]

I aplogize from everyone for the delay. I did my turn yesterday but forgot to upload it, I had a busy day ...:sweatdrop:

Here is me version if Zim would prefer it:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-10-1.rar

ps. I probably overwrote Tristan's version anyway ...:sweatdrop:

[_Tristan_]

Cheetah,

Make some space in your inbox, I have news for you...

[Zim]

Ok, I'll take Cheetah's save, then.

Tristan, I'm sorry I wasted your time.. :bow:

[_Tristan_]

The uploaded save is mine from what I gathered...

Seeing how I beat he crap out of some Scot and English fleets plus took some Scot land, I know why you would prefer to play from Cheetah's save...:clown:

[Zim]

I wouldn't have thought Cheetah had any fleets left capable of such a thing, You seem to have a magic touch for autoresolve. :clown:

Seeing as there's apparently only one save name, I'll take whoever's save it happens to be...


The uploaded save is mine from what I gathered...

Seeing how I beat he crap out of some Scot and English fleets plus took some Scot land, I know why you would prefer to play from Cheetah's save...:clown:

[_Tristan_]

That will surely be mine... :2thumbsup:

And it was cool to change of campaign setting (even for one turn...)

[Zim]

Ok, although I hit the link in Cheetah's post, I think I got Tristan's save, judging by a look at my ships and Norway's ranking in the charts.

You scared me, Tristan, I thought you hit my real fleet. :clown:

Ireland's up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-10-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

wales is up

sorry Zim, I didn't send a pm 'coz I don't remember who is subbing for roadkill

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-10-3.zip

[Zim]

Roadkill doesn't have an official sub at the moment. I'll pm him first, since he was unsure of his ability to play but didn't rule it out. If he can't, then I'll check in the Grand Campaign hotseat.

[_Tristan_]

I'm up to do some mischief subbing for Roadkill...:devil:

[Zim]

No such luck, Roadkill isn't at war with anyone and barring extenuating circumstances (like an invasion) I don't think it's appropriate for a sub to attack anyone the actual player is neutral or allied towards. ~;p

I want to give Roadkill at least 24 hours, in case school's let up, but he did give us the go ahead to continue if he doesn't get back to us. 16 hours more and you're welcome to sub for him, Tristan. :yes:


I'm up to do some mischief subbing for Roadkill...:devil:

[barcamartin]

Can't wait 'til it's Scotlands turn, that will be my Hotseat debut ! ;) :D

[Zim]

After the practice you'll have to download the Broken Crescent mod and get in on the ground floor for the hotseat planned for that one. :beam:


Can't wait 'til it's Scotlands turn, that will be my Hotseat debut ! ;) :D

[barcamartin]

Actually I have already downloaded BC and played it for a bit. I'm also playing a Hotseat game at TWC, as The Ayyubids, but my first turn was subbed because I was on a skiing vacation last week. I also had my turn as Leon-Castile subbed last week for the same reason. So although I'm "involved" in 3 hotseat games, I've never played a turn. ;) xD

[Zim]

I guess it would be kind of pointless to ask how the BC hotseat's going then? :clown:

I've been wondering how the units in the game would do balance-wise for autoresolve.


Actually I have already downloaded BC and played it for a bit. I'm also playing a Hotseat game at TWC, as The Ayyubids, but my first turn was subbed because I was on a skiing vacation last week. I also had my turn as Leon-Castile subbed last week for the same reason. So although I'm "involved" in 3 hotseat games, I've never played a turn. ;) xD

[_Tristan_]

I will respect any and all agreements standing between the actual player and any other parties...

[barcamartin]

Well, yeah, I have absolutely no idea and according to my sub he fought no battles. From my single player experience it seems that Ayyubid often lose to Makurians in auto-resolve, atleast in the early game.

[_Tristan_]

I feel bad for you Barca... Having taken two of your provinces last turn...

[barcamartin]

Is that so ? I'll just have to take them back, for the honour of Scotland and pride of deguerra (or something :p) :D

[_Tristan_]

Good luck...

[barcamartin]

Thank you, I might need it ;)

[Zim]

Unfortunately I'm not sure he has any, except trade rights with England and a border established in the Council. He also may have allied with one of the other celtic nations, but I can't say. :sweatdrop:


I will respect any and all agreements standing between the actual player and any other parties...

[_Tristan_]

Just meant that I won' t run amok :elephant:

[Zim]

Ok, Tristan. Roadkill has about half a day. If he hasn't been able to respond by then I'll send you the password. :yes:

[_Tristan_]

OK, here is the subbed turn for Wales...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-10-4.rar

Not much to do...

[barcamartin]

The Scotland turn is done. Norway, the show must go on. :D

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-10-5.rar

[Zim]

Bump.

barcamartin, Cheetah is the regular Norway player, so he should have gotten the pm. Not that it matters, because Cheetah's inbox is full. :clown:

I guess I'll wait another day or so, and keep trying to pm him.

[phonicsmonkey]

hey cheetah, it's not a timed game so you can't run the clock out...

:clown:

[Zim]

Well, actually Phonicsmonkey, if he doesn't play the next few turns and Tristan subs, Norway might own half the Isles by turn 20. A cunning strategy. :clown:

More likely, he did not expect his turn to come up again so quickly, has thus not checked in, and hasn't learned via pm because his inbox is full.

[phonicsmonkey]

I vote we ban Tristan from subbing!

no worries re: cheetah, I'm in no particular hurry

[RoadKill]

wales is up

sorry Zim, I didn't send a pm 'coz I don't remember who is subbing for roadkill

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-10-3.zip


The save is incoorect. When I open it up it's Irelands turn so I sorta can't play it.

[phonicsmonkey]

sorry Roadkill, I think Tristan already subbed for you on that turn...it's currently Norway's turn

I don't know why it would show up as Ireland's turn

Zim, did Tristan have a problem when he subbed that turn?

[Zim]

Nothing he ever mentioned. It is kind of funny that my wife had a similiar problem to Roadkill in the Grand Campaign game (downloaded her save only to be prompted to enter the last country's pw). I'll give that old Wales save a look and ask Tristan about it.


sorry Roadkill, I think Tristan already subbed for you on that turn...it's currently Norway's turn

I don't know why it would show up as Ireland's turn

Zim, did Tristan have a problem when he subbed that turn?

[barcamartin]

Ok, my mistake.

Note to self: After next turn, PM cheetah.


Bump.

barcamartin, Cheetah is the regular Norway player, so he should have gotten the pm. Not that it matters, because Cheetah's inbox is full. :clown:

I guess I'll wait another day or so, and keep trying to pm him.

[_Tristan_]

I confirm that I got the Wales save and prompt...

Roadkill, I can PM what I did when subbing, not much btw... All was pretty clear

[barcamartin]

Any word from cheetah ?

[Zim]

Nope, which means time to find a sub again. If the need for subs for two different factions is going to be a recurring theme, then we better not have them subbed by the same person, especially when the two factions are theoretically at odds right now.

[phonicsmonkey]

which means we need another sub...

[_Tristan_]

I'll sub for Norway... Can't read the Gaelic names...

[Zim]

Works for me. I think Norway needs a good gamer for a sub more, anyway. :yes:

Do you need their password or do you still have it?

[_Tristan_]

Here is the subbed turn of Norway... England's turn

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-11-1.rar

Btw, the King of Scotland has died...

[Zim]

Ireland is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-11-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

got it, will play later today

[phonicsmonkey]

wales is up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-11-3.zip

[Zim]

Hey guys. Starting in about twelve hours I'll be gone for over a day. That give Roadkill just enough time to play his turn (if he's going to) before I get back. :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

bump

is roadkill around?

[Zim]

Apparrently not. :clown: He had told us not to wait up for him, so I'll look for a sub.

Did you pm him when you finished your turn? If not I'll send him a pm.

[phonicsmonkey]

I don't think I did pm him

sorry!

I can sub for him if you like, to keep the game moving

wales = :turtle: right now anyway

[Zim]

That's fine. You're his main ally if I recall, anyway. :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

I should be able to get to it in the next four or five hours or so

roadkill if you're out there, feel free to jump in and play your turn before then

:balloon2:

[phonicsmonkey]

bonnie scotland's turn

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-11-4.zip

[barcamartin]

Scotland's turn is done. Noway, your up. I PM'ed Tristan but Cheetah's inbox is full.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-11-5.rar

[Zim]

Cheetah never even read my last pm to him. :sweatdrop:
He's been gone 4+ days (that is, not even online according to his profile). I'm thinking, if he doesn't even come online in the next 24 hours, we could let Tristan play his turn. Does that sound fair?

[_Tristan_]

Should I go on subbing for NOrway ?

EDIT : Seems we had a meeting of minds, Zim... We posted at the exact same time...

[Zim]

So it would seem. :clown: I figure we should at least give him 24 hours. After that, don't even worry about waiting confirmation from me. Go ahead and sub his turn.

On a side note, is the maximum limit for turns 48 hours or so in the Crusades game? I was out for the weekend (although I did arrange for Doug to sub if I couldn't make it) when my turn came up. I should easily be able to do it before the next player (who lives just a couple time zones away) gets home from work, but it will be getting close to the deadline.

Would that be ok?


Should I go on subbing for NOrway ?

EDIT : Seems we had a meeting of minds, Zim... We posted at the exact same time...

[_Tristan_]

No problemo... I'm not too worried about deadlines in that game... We are only four players and have all shown dedication to the game, so play at your own rhythm...:2thumbsup:


So it would seem. :clown: I figure we should at least give him 24 hours. After that, don't even worry about waiting confirmation from me. Go ahead and sub his turn.

On a side note, is the maximum limit for turns 48 hours or so in the Crusades game? I was out for the weekend (although I did arrange for Doug to sub if I couldn't make it) when my turn came up. I should easily be able to do it before the next player (who lives just a couple time zones away) gets home from work, but it will be getting close to the deadline.

Would that be ok?

[Zim]

Thanks. I'll make sure not to take too long. Towards the end of our trip, my wife started feeling worse again, so I'd been spending the evening with her. And now this Victonia game thing here is coming to a head, so I have to concentrate on that (and it's 3:30 in the morning).

Moving armies through mountains is such a pain, I want to take my time and concentrate when I take my turn (with no reloads for very good reasons in mp games, it suddenly becomes that much more important not to have a unit hit a dead end or something :clown: ).


No problemo... I'm not too worried about deadlines in that game... We are only four players and have all shown dedication to the game, so play at your own rhythm...:2thumbsup:

[barcamartin]

Any news from Cheetah ?

[Zim]

Nope, having problems with my grand campaign hotseat as well. With the stuff with the BC hotseat over the ORG, this must be an unlucky week or something. :clown:

Tristan, you're welcome to take the save. Tell me if you need the password. :yes:

[_Tristan_]

Ok, I noted the PW last time around... A feeling maybe...

[_Tristan_]

Here's the save for England

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-12-1.rar

[barcamartin]

By the way, when is deguerra coming back ? I will surely miss playing this, it's great fun. :)

[_Tristan_]

Maybe you could sub for Cheetah next... if he doesn't come back...

[barcamartin]

What about you then ? Your surely playing the Norse much better than I will ...

How much damage did you inflict on Mother Scotland this time ?

[_Tristan_]

Not much... I simply took out my former Prince turned rebel... The calm before the tempest...

[_Tristan_]

What about you then ? Your surely playing the Norse much better than I will ...


Time to let other players gain experience in those hotseats... Practice makes perfect...

[barcamartin]

I suppose. Seems like you' (or Cheetah) are fighting a tough war.

So it was you're prince turned rebel. I forgot to check his name, but it was Knud Haakonsson then. Good riddance to that Norse dog. ;)

[_Tristan_]

Can't say that the Norse have it easy in this one... But there is nothing like challenge to bring the best (some might say the worst...) in me...

I almost wish I could keep playing... The situation is ... interesting...

[barcamartin]

If I had a say in this matter (but I dont since I'm a sub :p) I would vote for you, Tristan, replacing Cheetah permantently. Or atleast until he announces that he is "back on track" and has time to play. The 24 hour wait after every Scottish turn slows down the game.

[Zim]

:laugh4: Too bad we don't have a story thread for the game, that'd be very a very itneresting occurrence.

You may have the first confirmed unit turned rebel in a hotseat game, Tristan. From experience I was starting to think that maybe units didn't go rebel in these games.


Not much... I simply took out my former Prince turned rebel... The calm before the tempest...

[phonicsmonkey]

we do have a story thread, but no-one's been using it...

[Zim]

Crap, and all this time I thought the only IC thread was the council one. :clown:


we do have a story thread, but no-one's been using
it...

[phonicsmonkey]

here's the link

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=96277&highlight=britannia+story

[barcamartin]

I had some 2-3 units of pikemen rebel last turn. So he's not alone in his misery. ;)

[phonicsmonkey]

scotland has always been a hotbed of rebellion

[_Tristan_]

:laugh4: Too bad we don't have a story thread for the game, that'd be very a very itneresting occurrence.

You may have the first confirmed unit turned rebel in a hotseat game, Tristan. From experience I was starting to think that maybe units didn't go rebel in these games.

It was no great loss in fact... I haven't been able to do anything with him in any subbed turn as he had been defeated repetedly...

If I was not subbing, I would certainly write a piece about it...

[Zim]

Phonicsmonkey, I'm done with the save. Ireland's up. :2thumbsup:

Tristan, that's interesting. Until it was beat the first time (before you subbed) that was one of Cheetah's most productive armies. He said the units had high experience, and they did deal heavy casualties, even when they lost. I think they also killed the Irish King. Guess they finally got whittled down too far.

[phonicsmonkey]

Hi - I'm looking in the uploader for Britannia-12-2 but I don't see it

can you post the link?

[Zim]

Sorry, I copied the link but forgot to post it. :oops:

Had trouble with the uploader, had to use the backup one.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-12-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

cheers, I'll get to it now

[phonicsmonkey]

well, here's the save for wales

have you heard from roadkill since last time, or would you like me to sub again?

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-12-3.zip

[Zim]

Well, Roadkill did read my last pm, but never replied to it. I suppose we can go ahead and have his turn subbed for now.

[phonicsmonkey]

so, here's the turn for scotland

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-12-4.zip

[barcamartin]

I'll just walk my dog and then I'll put my teeth into it. :D

[barcamartin]

The Scotland turn is done, Norway is up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-12-5.zip

[_Tristan_]

Should I keep on subbing ?

If so, I should be able to play it tomorrow (if not tonite)

[barcamartin]

Well, I think so. Since Cheetah hasn't got in touch you should keep going. It's just unnecessary waiting otherwise.

Unless Zim has any objections ...

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll just walk my dog and then I'll put my teeth into it. :D

that sounds both cruel and unhygienic

[Zim]

Cheetah still hasn't read my last pm, so I'd say go ahead, if you don't mind. :yes:


Should I keep on subbing ?

If so, I should be able to play it tomorrow (if not tonite)

[barcamartin]

that sounds both cruel and unhygienic

Just to be clear, putting my teeth into the save, as in playing it. :laugh4:

[_Tristan_]

Here is for England

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-13-1.rar

The Scottish Prince has followed his father in the grave...

[phonicsmonkey]

ouch - that's three Kings now the Norse have killed...one of Ireland and two of Scotland

[Zim]

I'll try to get to this asap, but my wife may not appreciate me playing on the computer on Valentine's Day (only online now because I'm waiting for something to cook).

[barcamartin]

Any luck there, Zim ?

[Zim]

Technically I still have 19 hours left before hitting the deadline. :clown:

I'll try to get it done right now.


Any luck there, Zim ?

[barcamartin]

Of course, no hurry. :)

[Zim]

Finished the save, but someone else in the apartment is using the computer with the better internet access. I'll get it up asap.

Barcamartin, I have a pm for you but your inbox is full (happens much faster here at the ORG, at least until you become a full member). :yes:

[barcamartin]

Yeah, that's right. My inbox has only got room for 10 PMs, so it tends to fill up rather fast. There's space now, anyway. :beam:

[Zim]

Done!

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-13-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

Here is the save for Wales. I pm'd roadkill, but let me know if you want me to sub the turn again.

given this would be the third time in a row, you may want to find a non-player sub to step in instead...

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-13-3.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

scotland's turn

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-13-4.zip

[barcamartin]

Norway's turn.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-13-5.zip

[_Tristan_]

Here is for Zim

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-14-1.rar

[EDIT] This game is real tough for Norway... I can't even open diplomatic negociations... Everybody but Wales is at war with Norway...

I'm up for some thrashing in a few turns, I believe...

[phonicsmonkey]

yes, it's not a great situation to be thrown into...thanks for subbing though!

and it seems like you're putting up a good fight..

[Zim]

I don't envy Norway's position. :sweatdrop: You've done a heck of a job with it, though.

[barcamartin]

Stubborn viking drunk. ;)

[phonicsmonkey]

hey I just had a thought - deguerra is back soon, right?

so he'll be taking back control of scotland..what do you all think of asking barcamartin to take over wales on a permanent basis?

I say this as it seems like roadkill will not be back, and wales could do with a full-time leader at the helm so it can start to make diplomacy etc.

[barcamartin]

Sounds good, I'm up for it! :D

[Zim]

I definately approve of the idea. I'd like to make at least one more attempt to contact Roadkill first, though. Although he's been missing his turns here, he did play his last turn in the Grand Campaign hotseat. If he doesn't reply or is still too busy with school, barcamartin is welcome to take over.

Hungary might also be open for a sub or permanant replacement in the Grand Campaign hotseat. It's player is the same as Norway's in this game, and he's been online a few days ago, but has yet to reply to a pm I sent him a long time ago, several Norse turns ago.

[phonicsmonkey]

Zim old chap, if you post your turn in the next few hours I can rattle through the Irish and Welsh turns tonight...

[Zim]

Well, I was eating dinner... :clown:

I could have it up within the hour.

[phonicsmonkey]

I have to take my puppy to obedience classes first, so no immediate hurry..

[Zim]

Ok, I'm downloading the save right now.

[Zim]

Done.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-14-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

scotland is up

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-14-4.zip

[barcamartin]

Scotland done, Norway's up!

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-14-5.zip

[_Tristan_]

England's turn...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-15-1.rar

and they keep coming... and coming... and coming...

[Zim]

Done. Ireland's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-15-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll get to it this evening

[phonicsmonkey]

hey, deguerra should be back soon right? I notice he was online on the 20th Feb, has anyone heard from him?

[Zim]

I haven't heard from him, but I'd thought he had another week left.

I'll send him a pm and see if he responds. :yes:

[deguerra]

Just got back actually, and had a quick peek alraedy. Am kinda easing into it though, so if you wanna keep going for another turn or so thats fine with me. How are things anyway?

[Zim]

Clear your inbox and I can give you a rundown of what's happened. :thumbsup:

[phonicsmonkey]

hey, deguerra should be back soon right?


I'd thought he had another week left


Just got back actually

Monkey sees all

likewise deguerra I'll drop you a pm when your box is clear

should we ask barcamartin to take over wales from this turn?

[deguerra]

d'oh. I had wondered why it had been so silent...stupid inbox :D All clear now:oops:

[phonicsmonkey]

here is the save for wales

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-15-3.zip

Zim, do you want me to sub or should we get barca started on wales now deguerra is back?

[barcamartin]

Ok, I'd love to play Wales. A change of "climate" from the Scots. Should I do Wales and another turn for Scotland, since deguerra wanted to "ease into it"?

[Zim]

Definately take Wales turn, Barcamartin. :yes: You can probably do Scotlands as well, since deguerra gave permission.

[barcamartin]

Wales and Scotland done.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-15-5.zip

[_Tristan_]

DOn't know when I'll be able to play it...

If not tonight, it will have to wait until monday, I fear.

Is it OK ?

[Zim]

As long as the other players are ok with it I don't mind. We've been going really quickly up to now anyway.

[phonicsmonkey]

no problem Tristan, take as long as you need

[barcamartin]

Since I couldn't find a Council Thread or something, I should announce here that Wales has sunk a Norse fleet in the straits between Ireland and the "mainland". This was to protect and treasure the connections, trade and other cooperations with our noble friends, the Irish. As the King of Wales I wish to declare that I have no intentions to fight the Norse elsewhere. Consider this as an act of defending and aiding an ally, not fighting the Norse.

King of Wales

[Zim]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=96274

Had to dig through a few pages to find it. What little I know about Welsh diplomacy thus far is in there, and you can see the leadup to the war as well. :yes:

[_Tristan_]

So that's it... Now I'm at war with everybody...

Have to think of something for the Council Thread...:smash:

[deguerra]

yeh gods why must I fight Tristan. I had avoided it so beautifully until now :D

Oh well, onwards. I'll be taking over Scotland again from now on. Thanks heaps for subbing for me barcamartin, and Im glad to see youll stay with us as Wales. And thanks also to you Tristan for taking over the Norse, even though youve turned almost certain victory into a nail-biting thrill of a game :D

[barcamartin]

Well, he certainly made this game exciting. It has been a couple of sweaty weeks, glad you're here to relive me deguerra. ;) It also feels good to stay in such good company. :yes:

[_Tristan_]

Save for England

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-16-1.rar

I will go down fighting to the end... Never surrender...:hmg:

[Zim]

Ireland's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-16-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

Wales is next

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-16-3.zip

[barcamartin]

Scotland's up !

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-16-4.zip

[Zim]

FactionHeir addressed something in the MPC that I think is pertinent here. That is the issue of exploits. I don't like exploits because I think they create a separate set of rules for those players aware of and willing to use them. I believe games like this are more challenging and fun when everyone is clear on the rules from the start.

If anyone has a certain exploit they would like used in the game they should bring it up here. As long as most of the players know about it and are fine with its being used, everything is ok. We can then have a poll or something to see what people think. :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

I just posted my opinion on this in the BC hotseat thread, but to re-iterate:

While I won't be using any exploits and would hope that other players would similarly play in a good spirit of sportsmanship, I think you run into all sorts of trouble trying to define what constitutes an exploit, making up rules about them and detecting when a player is breaking those rules.

So I'm generally against legislation without the possibility of detection and enforcement.

My worst case scenario is that a player accuses another player of using an exploit, it can't be proved, and the whole atmosphere is poisoned by mutual suspicion and distrust.

Monkey no like bad vibes.

[Zim]

It would also be nearly impossible to tell if someone is reloading the game repeatedly until they win an autoresolved battle, but this would break the game.

To my mind exploits = cheating, and ruin the game for players who prefer to play a fair game. If everyone is aware of one and agrees it should be allowed, I don't mind. Otherwise I don't think they should be used. To put it another way, if this were a baseball game and everyone wanted to cork their bat, then fine, so long as everyone is aware that's an option. Ohterwise, you could have a few people winning only because they were the first to figure out a certian way of cheating, which I expect would create bad vibes a plenty if it came out.

People here at the ORG are pretty reasonable, and I don't think wild accusations will be thrown about. I also trust everyone here to follow the rules.

[deguerra]

I hate to say it but Norway is up :P

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-16-5.rar

Does Tristan need to be PMed?

[Zim]

We decided to always pm the next guy a while back, but the truth is the players we have tend to check the thread often anyway.


I hate to say it but Norway is up :P

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-16-5.rar

Does Tristan need to be PMed?

[_Tristan_]

Save for England

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-17-1.rar

And mourning is in order for another Scottish King (his son made it out alone, his BG down to 1 man), too bad...

[deguerra]

you have GOT to be kidding me. Where do you pull these victories from? :D Oh well. Another turn, another King. Pretty soon this will be an elective monarchy and noone will want the job :D

[Zim]

Ireland's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-17-2.zip

[_Tristan_]

Don't worry the next should have it easier seeing how everybody will gang up on me soon...

[Zim]

You can blame your predecessor for alienating everyone. :clown:


Don't worry the next should have it easier seeing how everybody will gang up on me soon...

[_Tristan_]

Yep...

And Norway being the last in play order it allows all of you to make joint attacks... Well done...

It is too late to turn around on diplomacy and that is why I'll fight to the end but I know that I should be out of this game before turn 20... Any turn after that will be pure bonus...

Unless I get some troops dropped in from Norway...

[Zim]

I think Norway's sole troop reinforcement event is the Haakon one early on.

Things all came to a head when Cheetah invaded Ireland and Scotland at the same time, I think. This ruined any chance he may have had to drive them apart diplomatically, and because I'm more of a roleplayer than a metagamer, I gladly put my support behind my King's son-in-law, King Alexander of Scotland.

Now you know what it's like to not be the first player. ~;)

I'd say you have too many settlements to be taken out in 3 turns, especially as you've hurt Scotland so much.

[phonicsmonkey]

hi guys - I saw this was up last night but I couldn't get to it because I had to take the dog to the vet (yes, the mighty Irish king has a 12-week old beagle pup with an ear infection that takes priority over warring against the vikings)

should be able to do it this evening after work...:2thumbsup:

[deguerra]

:2thumbsup: Thats fine. I also don't see us killing you in three turns Tristan. Anyone else maybe, but definetely not you. Consider that a compliment :P

[phonicsmonkey]

wales is up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-17-3.zip

[barcamartin]

Wales done, Scotland up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-17-4.zip

[deguerra]

sorry guys, had a busy weekend. norse are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-17-5.rar

[_Tristan_]

England's up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-18-1.rar

Still kicking...

[Zim]

Ireland's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-18-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

should get to this in a few hours

[phonicsmonkey]

wales is up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-18-3.zip

[barcamartin]

Done, Scot's go!

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-18-4.zip

[deguerra]

gotta go to uni, so itll be tonight. sorry

[deguerra]

Norse are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-18-5.rar

[_Tristan_]

England's up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-19-1.rar

:smash::smash::smash::smash:

[Zim]

Gah, my turns are coming up again awfully fast (even in the BC hotseat with a lot of players). Must be a good week for hotseats. :beam:

I am sans wireless for the week, so uploading might be difficult for a bit. If I can't upload the next save for my games, I'll get someone to sub for me. :yes:

[deguerra]

Subbed Zims turn per his instructions. Ireland is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-19-2.rar

[phonicsmonkey]

wales is up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-19-3.zip

[barcamartin]

Scotland's up !!

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-19-4.zip

[deguerra]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-19-5.rar

Norse are up

[phonicsmonkey]

seriously guys, if we keep letting tristan have a turn we'll never finish them off...:clown:

[Zim]

Maybe Tristan should get a handicap in these games, where he only gets every other turn.

Just to give his opponents a chance. :clown:

Seriously, though, I expect this game would be far duller if he hadn't taken over for Norway. Thanks for joining, Tristan. :bow:

[_Tristan_]

My pleasure... :bow:

Brings me back in years when I was table-top wargaming and playing my own little hand-painted army of vikings...

[_Tristan_]

Here is the save for England...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-20-1.sav

OOPS ! Seems I forgot to zip it...

[barcamartin]

My pleasure... :bow:

Brings me back in years when I was table-top wargaming and playing my own little hand-painted army of vikings...

Warhammer ?

[_Tristan_]

Warhammer and DBM mostly

[barcamartin]

Ok, I collected High Elves in Warhammer Fantasy for a couple of years. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

I had an army of skeletons, and a nice little army of ratpeople (forget their names)

then I played 40k for a while and had a bunch of groovy looking aliens running around eating people

'twas cool

[deguerra]

I had some friends who were into that stuff, but being from Germany, I guess I was too old by the time I hear of it to really get into it. That being said, the Warhammer Computer game (40K more so than the fantasy one) I have extensively played.

[_Tristan_]

Nice to know we all share of bit of the same background :2thumbsup:

[barcamartin]

Ratpeople = The Skaven !! Awesome stuff !

Hungry aliens = The Tyranids

The game I guess you're talking about, Dawn of War, is really great. An expansion, Soulstorm, was released yesterday I think. I played DoW quite alot a year ago or so, good fun.

[phonicsmonkey]

Skaven, that's it

and my aliens were Genestealers I think...nasty looking pink and blue chaps

[Zim]

Sorry for the wait.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-20-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

wales is up

I can't believe we're on turn 20!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-20-3.zip

[_Tristan_]

Turn 20 : If I get over this one, I will count myself lucky...

[barcamartin]

There we go, sorry for the slight delay.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-20-4.zip

[deguerra]

Still alive and kicking as far as I can tell:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-20-5.rar

[_Tristan_]

Save for England :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-21-1.rar

And won't be kicking long.... with something like four stacks of troops bearing down on me...:smash:

[Zim]

Save for Ireland.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-21-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

wales is up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-21-3.zip

[barcamartin]

Scotland.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Britannia-21-4.zip

[deguerra]

Norse are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-21-5.rar

Announcements in the Council thread

[_Tristan_]

Is it even necessary I play my turn ?


:clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

bump....erm, yes it is...

[_Tristan_]

Sorry for the delay... I thought I wa out of this one...

Wallace couldn't have come at a worst time and location :furious3:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-22-1.rar

Countdown started... Ejection sequence begun...

[deguerra]

Yeah Tristan. I'd apologise, but it was beyond my control. Not that I would have put him somewhere else :P

[_Tristan_]

No need to apologize... As you siad, nothing you could have done about it...

It will just mean a quicker death for Norway...

[Zim]

Should have my turn up soon, just waiting on a reply to a pm. :beam:

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll be away from about five hours time until about 72 hours time - if you get the turn up soon I can play both Ireland and Wales before I go - otherwise deguerra will have to sub, or we'll have to wait

[Zim]

All yours, phonicsmonkey.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-22-2.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

Scotland is up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-22-4.zip

[deguerra]

Norse are up:

Yes, still kicking Tristan. Hopefully not too much longer :P

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-22-5.rar

[_Tristan_]

Never surrender

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-23-1.rar