Hot chicks in Antiquity? [Archive]

Spearthrower

01-19-2008, 08:11

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

Really, the safest explanation aside from such cliches would be to say that beauty is a fashion. What is beautiful today was most definitely not beautiful in your parent's generation or grandparent's and so on. So multiply that by a factor of hundreds and you can see the answer is impossible to come by.

Just look at nude paintings from a century ago and look at all the blubber those beautiful women carried.... fat was most definitely sexy then - perhaps partly due to it indicating the higher status of the woman - she could afford to be fat and white.

Another good example is to look into the fattening farms of modern day Mauretania. Something like this article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3429903.stm just goes to show that beauty is hardly a universally agreed upon thing! I am sure Kate Moss would be far from a model there! ;)

A good classical example is Cleopatra who was known through the ancient world to be highly attractive to men, yet whose likeness found on coins leaves a lot to be desired by modern standards.

Add into that the concept of the beauty of the exotic. While many people find beauty in their own race, other's apples fall further from the tree.

When I first moved to Thailand, I was slightly awed by the sheer number of gorgeous women. A week later, I honestly couldn't decide if they were all beautiful or all ugly. Now, 5 years later, I meet about as many beautiful women here as I would in the UK. It's all a matter of personal perspective, so it's impossible to answer your question for everyone.

Basically though, I would say "yes".... there would have been hot chicks in antiquity, even if they weren't considered beautiful in their own time and location! ;)

PershsNhpios

01-19-2008, 08:12

Your, 'chicks', I mourn, and your horse, I pity.

Gaivs

01-19-2008, 09:45

Yeh well, readi Ovids "on Facial treatment for ladies" or any number of these types of things haha. You will see that the wealthy women used alot of makeup and spent a lot of money on it. Poorer people would undoubtedly be uglier and dirtier etc, but if you were rich, im sure they would be able to compete with any computer enhanced "model" of today.

blank

01-19-2008, 13:05

I'd say depends on the geographical location. Some places seem to naturally have ugly women, while some (such as my country hehe :beam: ) have high concentration of good-looking women.

I assume you'd do better off in the North, at least :sweatdrop:

konny

01-19-2008, 14:09

Given the conditions of the days past, would the women of the Antiquity be as beautiful, or more beautiful than today?

I doubt that people in Ancient times looked much different to modern people. Take someone from today Rome and dress him in tunica and send him back 2,000 years in times, and take an Ancient Roman and dress him in Jeans and t-shirt and place him in modern Rome - none of both will draw any attraction (as long as both keep their mouth shut).

antisocialmunky

01-19-2008, 15:03

Find a National Geographic about a piss poor rural area and you will get your answer.

Vorian

01-19-2008, 15:17

You should stick with rich 'chicks' from Greek or Roman cities, others would be too unrefined for a modern man's taste.

I like German women but with nice clothes, decent hair and having all their teeth and preferably with less muscles than me.

TWFanatic

01-19-2008, 16:39

Indeed the perception of beauty has changed since Antiquity. The perception of beauty has changed since 10 years ago. There is this video on metacafe showing a Playboy model from each year, 2007 down all the way to whenever it started. I probably shouldn't post it here, but it's interesting how in mere decades what was once considered beautiful and fashionable is now laughable. Especially the hair...those 60's hairstyles are ridiculous.

I also understand that it was considered beautiful to be fair skinned in most of us Greece (Sparta the notable exception) and Rome. Of course, it was mainly just the noble women who could afford to stay indoors all day and have people wait on them. Nowadays, it's considered (by many people at least) beautiful to be tan.

Spearthrower

01-19-2008, 16:49

I also understand that it was considered beautiful to be fair skinned in most of us Greece (Sparta the notable exception) and Rome. Of course, it was mainly just the noble women who could afford to stay indoors all day and have people wait on them. Nowadays, it's considered (by many people at least) beautiful to be tan.

Actually, in most of the world people still retain the concept that whiteness equates to beauty. Here in Asia for example, there is an endless bombardment of TV adverts for whitening cream and girls are obsessive about avoiding the sun.... in direct opposition to the tanning agents and sun-worshipping of the west!

As you said though, it all stems from the basic principle that peasants are forced to labour under the sun, and therefore get dark, while the nobility remains inside and is all but permanently shaded from the sun's rays, through veils and more complete dress, through curtains, parasols and carriages.

I think you hit the nail on the head with that Playboy example though.... beauty is not a fixed concept at all.... and all the people who assume their chosen preferences are universal are sorely mistaken!

Obelics

01-19-2008, 17:13

now i think the concept is reverted, people who is rich and have money, can afford a "sun bath" on the snow muntains or at the Maldives even in winter, so tanned people, expecially in Winter are seen as "cool". While the "white" poor labourer in the offices or factories, tend to assume a pale fluoreshent colour.
Here for example a lot of people go to these beauty saloons to make an artificial tan in winter. Having a tan is considered a sort of sinonimous of health.

Me for example being white and pale, i like dark haired girl, dark eyes, and not very tall. Im crazy for the Mediterranean stereotype girl, pheraphs cause im not a mediterranean stereotype male (i think the opposites attract themselves).

[THIS IS THE CORNER OF SELF PROPAGANDA: come in Italy, you will find every kind of beauty, you can discover an oriental fachinating eye that look at you behind a corner, a greek profile among the crowd, a nordic blond valkiria madonna smiling at you in that little shop, a gorgeous matrona in that small village so delicious, there is for every taste!!!]

blank

01-19-2008, 17:17

Here for example a lot of people go to these beauty saloons to make an artificial tan in winter. Having a tan is considered a sort of sinonimous of health.

And most end up looking like hideous grilled chickens. :yes:

Obelics

01-19-2008, 17:34

And most end up looking like hideous grilled chickens. :yes:

well, it depends. Sure if I go there i look as a grilled meat. But if you have a little natural tan, you dont look bad.

Anyway i will never enter in one of these thing in my life.

Romano-Dacis

01-19-2008, 22:16

1) People in the past would have lost a lot of their teeth, especially in the lower classes. Thnk about it: no fortified milk, toothpaste, flouride-enriched water etc.
2) People would have been a lot shorter. With the agricultural revolution, despite being the "cornerstone of civilization", the standards of living dropped hideously, people ate a less balanced meal, so they were less healthy, had greater bone lesions due to disease (at least in their remains), and nearly lost a foot of their height when compared to hunter-gatherers who inhabited the same region.
3) With regards to filth, I'm sure people would have been dusty, but the fact that many did not use detergents or soap on their bodies would have meant that they actually would have had less-oily hair and less acne (as these products do irritate the skin, and cause glands in the scalp to secrete oil).

When I was younger I used to think "Man, Ancient Egyptian women must have been hot" until I realized they had all these problems, and as a bonus, also shaved their heads....

I probably would have gone with a Thracian/Dacian gal, seeing as how they had their diets supplemented with more protein and milk due to the transhumant pastoralism some of them practiced; I may also be slightly biased, coming from Romania.

Well, that would have turned out well until she would decide to sacrifice my first-born as a messenger to Zalmoxis...

Gazius

01-19-2008, 22:31

Actually, in most of the world people still retain the concept that whiteness equates to beauty. Here in Asia for example, there is an endless bombardment of TV adverts for whitening cream and girls are obsessive about avoiding the sun.... in direct opposition to the tanning agents and sun-worshipping of the west!

I need me an asian girl, none of that, look at me, I'm trying to get skin cancer.

As far as beauty goes, I think Rome on HBO has conclusively proved that 'who cares what she looks like, fuck her anyways'.

Obelics

01-19-2008, 22:34

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MiniMe

01-19-2008, 22:39

When I was younger I used to think "Man, Ancient Egyptian women must have been hot" until I realized they had all these problems, and as a bonus, also shaved their heads...
Source! if you please
And BTW: what is it that you have against women that have "short" haircut? :belly:

Horst Nordfink

01-20-2008, 00:22

1) People in the past would have lost a lot of their teeth, especially in the lower classes. Thnk about it: no fortified milk, toothpaste, flouride-enriched water etc.

They also didn't have sugar to ruin their teeth, so I don't know if their teeth would be that bad.

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

01-20-2008, 00:58

The hot chicks probably hadn't had much breast. The breast size improved only towards the end of the last century because of better alimentation. The main advantage of antiquity's chicks was that none of them had implants. Pure nature to greet and enjoy!

Wolfman

01-20-2008, 07:31

Justinian II

01-20-2008, 14:27

Given the conditions of the days past, would the women of the Antiquity be as beautiful, or more beautiful than today?

I was thinking, maybe if I go back in time I could get myself some hot Roxolani chicks with my horse (I assumed that fine-bred horses are like Porches to the nomads).

I've always been quite fond of the Empress Theodora, though she's...arguably more medieval than ancient. She looks rather stunning IMO in that wall mosaic in Ravenna.

blank

01-20-2008, 14:42

Quirinus

01-20-2008, 15:02

I doubt that people in Ancient times looked much different to modern people. Take someone from today Rome and dress him in tunica and send him back 2,000 years in times, and take an Ancient Roman and dress him in Jeans and t-shirt and place him in modern Rome - none of both will draw any attraction (as long as both keep their mouth shut).
I disagree. Remember that when they were filming Master and Commander, they had to find Polish extras to play the sailors because modern Brits didn't look sufficiently like 17th-century (or was it the 18th?) Brits.

They also didn't have sugar to ruin their teeth, so I don't know if their teeth would be that bad.
Sweetmeats, pickled figs, sugared plums........ :laugh4:

When I was younger I used to think "Man, Ancient Egyptian women must have been hot" until I realized they had all these problems, and as a bonus, also shaved their heads....
Haha, I used think that too.

Me, I never saw any sense in riding down routing Screeching Women when a different kind of lust could have been satisfied with them, but oh well. :no: The models in the game don't look too appealing anyway.

antisocialmunky

01-20-2008, 15:19

You guys are forgetting about the polygamy part....

And naked Spartan chicks doing stretches...

sgsandor

01-20-2008, 19:06

Find a National Geographic about a piss poor rural area and you will get your answer.

Brilliant i almost pissed my pants when i read this!! way to Antisocial

Starforge

01-20-2008, 19:52

They also didn't have sugar to ruin their teeth, so I don't know if their teeth would be that bad.

No cosmetic dentistry in any event. Even if not bad - certainly not white and straight save by luck.

While not everyone will agree - lightening the hair and enlarging the breasts will certainly play to the percentages in most cultures :yes: .

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

01-20-2008, 20:10

Sarcasm

01-20-2008, 20:31

Hmmm....what about those countries where blonde chicks can get, you know, sunlight? Nobody likes girls that are extra-crispy, but if you ask me, there's nothing like a *natural* tan...some of these Northern Europe chicks I can actually see veins through their skin at a distance. Ew.

Cyclops

01-20-2008, 21:53

1) People in the past would have lost a lot of their teeth, especially in the lower classes. Thnk about it: no fortified milk, toothpaste, flouride-enriched water etc.

Yep, not to mention mill-grit in the flour. Most pre-modern societies had very poor dental health.

2) People would have been a lot shorter. With the agricultural revolution, despite being the "cornerstone of civilization", the standards of living dropped hideously, people ate a less balanced meal, so they were less healthy, had greater bone lesions due to disease (at least in their remains), and nearly lost a foot of their height when compared to hunter-gatherers who inhabited the same region.

IIRC the Romans were about 6 inches shorter on average than their German foes, but I forget where I saw that data (it was 10-15 years ago at University). They were all like Rocky vs Drago, staring their enemies in the breastplate. And just like rocjky, they kept knocking 'em down...

3) With regards to filth, I'm sure people would have been dusty, but the fact that many did not use detergents or soap on their bodies would have meant that they actually would have had less-oily hair and less acne (as these products do irritate the skin, and cause glands in the scalp to secrete oil).

Also most people cold not afford many sets of clothing, and in winter there wasn't a lot if washing done....

When I was younger I used to think "Man, Ancient Egyptian women must have been hot" until I realized they had all these problems, and as a bonus, also shaved their heads....

...not just their heads.:egypt:

IIRC the Egyptians were pretty scrupulous about washing and perfuming.

I think upper class Roman Empire women would have been close to modern ideas about hygene. Except when they were brushing their teeth with imported urine.:inquisitive:

I probably would have gone with a Thracian/Dacian gal, seeing as how they had their diets supplemented with more protein and milk due to the transhumant pastoralism some of them practiced; I may also be slightly biased, coming from Romania.

I understand some girls from NW Romania don't go for the suntan? In fact they don't go out in the daytime at all? Or was that just in a movie I saw...:scared:

Well, that would have turned out well until she would decide to sacrifice my first-born as a messenger to Zalmoxis...

Frigging Zalmoxis, how I hate him. I bet he doesn't have to put up with toothless short foul smelling women.

Watchman

01-20-2008, 22:06

The Persian Cataphract

01-20-2008, 22:34

Looking at the women of the past and the women of today i would say they wouldn't be as beautiful as todays "modern woman". In the past the what you were born with was what you had and women for the most part looked real you could see almost every (what would be considered now) imperfection. It was beautiful. Lets dissect the image of what the modern woman should look like. So skinny they look like a small gust of wind could blow them over. Hair extensions, Look like they visit the plastic surgeon everyday. I used to think that Implants look so Hot. Then after a while they just looked ridiculous to me. They completely turn me off now! I'm an all natural man now. And the most annoying things. Everybody has a tan ( i have people who start envying me because I'm dark all year long) ,everybody has blond hair, and everybody has straight pearly white teeth. I just love it when i see a woman who is just natural. My ideology is you look beautiful with what your born with.

I agreed with you all the way until you got all idealistic... Sure, I don't like implants or tan-on-a-can, the sick bullshit idea of how women should look like as plastered in today's stupid women's magazines or basically how women should strive to become the next plastic-fantastic Barbie-model who cares only for cranberry juice, or how many waters to down after every Cosmo or Marguerita at parties or the latest Paris Hilton pose. But man oh man, boning a bitch like that, and having fun for what two hours, to hell with morals! It's guilty pleasure and a sure trophy for the boys if you ever wanted to see them shake their heads in utter shock and disbelief! Not exactly something to flaunt with in front of your parents, but it gives you a few high-fives. It's all about the fun.

Then you can start thinking about having a sane relationship, and that's where the rule of thumb "If she doesn't look like hell when you wake up next to her in the morning", clicks like perfect. Just make sure she knows how to cook and how to clean. Then you're set for life. By that, I mean you don't need to splatter your own brains over the wall with a twelve gauge when she gives you a lip about doing the dishes... :smash:

Seriously though, what I like most about women is character. I'd be a terrible liar if I said that I dismissed looks, but by this age, it has become a secondary facet. Body-language, the manner and the speech. Those are the things that count. For me, she needs to be strong, independent and sophisticated. Otherwise, I'll be too much to handle. By a rule, they tend to be lousy in the kitchen, but they make up for it with sharp intellect, a good sense of humour... And bed-activity (I'm not kidding :smash:). This is way above the league for the common plastic bimbo, or the insecure, sweet girl with bracers. It's all about having standards and demanding your own worth of character. I think in antiquity, especially amongst noblewomen, who usually were quite aggressive and very used to get everything in their desire with little protest, there is a fine selection of class right there, and back then no bullshit about the Atkins Diet or Weight-Watchers, the fuller the shape, the more feminine... It's too good to be true. That's basically it. It is indeed too good to be true.

In the Iranian East, first of all we need to get rid of the idea of Amazonian women warriors, and the stereotypical crud about "Xena". Life was harsh. Sometimes, if not outrightly often, you had to tend to herds of cattle, or till the lands or do some other hard labour just to barely survive the winter quarters. In the cold steppes? You'd rather see morose faces, almost sated on life, and the only thing preventing them from killing themselves is because they can't afford enough for an ample length of flaxen cords or ropes. Sure all the work probably burned off some fat... And dental, well, no insurance, but the teeth couldn't have been that bad; The breath could definitely be a bummer, though. Especially in seasons where herbs would grow poorly (It's an old trick... Some obscure tribes still tend to their teeth by rubbing certain herbs over their gums for a few minutes; The poor man's Colgate). I would have been forced to sacrifice my lofty standards, if I knew sex was going to be this great... Especially if I had the bad luck being born in the lower castes of society :thumbsdown:

Women. You can't live with them, and you can't kill them. I know that for certain, someone, thousands of years ago coined that expression. In his infinite wisdom, I salute his sagacity. From Mandane, today we have Kim Kardashian ~:joker:

Obelics

01-20-2008, 22:59

By that, I mean you don't need to splatter your own brains over the wall with a twelve gauge when she gives you a lip about doing the dishes... :smash:

I will never do the dishes in my life. My tactic is to make she very nervous, when they are nervous, they tend to go in the kitchen and start to wash thinks. It's a compulsory stimulum.

blank

01-20-2008, 23:25

I will never do the dishes in my life. My tactic is to make she very nervous, when they are nervous, they tend to go in the kitchen and start to wash thinks. It's a compulsory stimulum.

Too complicated. Just ignore the dishes. It will work.

Watchman

01-20-2008, 23:31

You say that now, but before you know it the molds will have gotten organised and a pointy-bearded demagogue starts preaching Revolution to them...:shame:

Cadwalader

01-20-2008, 23:34

Germanic women must have been great! Lots of milk and meat.. maybe except the Rugoz. Hygiene is a another thing, though I know Scandinavian people bathed every saturday in later times.

Obelics

01-20-2008, 23:43

Germanic women must have been great! Lots of milk and meat.. maybe except the Rugoz. Hygiene is a another thing, though I know Scandinavian people bathed every saturday in later times.

This has become a general chat about women... yes we know german women have a lot of meat and milk...
[Edit: sorry, you meant 'meat to eat', i didn't understand]

Wolfman

01-21-2008, 04:57

@TPC
I agree with you totally on the character part of a woman (and Kim Kardashian).

@Blank
I prefer nice looking teeth to. I just don't like teeth that almost look translucent.

@Centurio Nixalsverdrus
LOL! I agree with you on that hair skin bit my fellow Macedonian. Although I must admit that i've seen some dark skinned women with blonde hair and they looked HOT!

@Everybody Else
As for doing dishes I don't mind to much (DISHWASHER!). I'm not married yet but chores are just something i don't have a problem doing.

Kολοσσός

01-21-2008, 10:49

There were orgies in antiquity...something we miss a lot these days for a variety of reasons, one of the reasons being the stupid, idiotic, moronic, primitive teachings of the Catholic Church which has traditionally associated sexuality with sin. The result was a stigma that has persisted to the present day. A number of splendid ancient cultures such as the Japanese or the Hindus have never associated sexuality with sin and thus have avoided many of the troubles we the Westerners had to experience.

blank

01-21-2008, 13:04

There were orgies in antiquity...something we miss a lot these days for a variety of reasons

Dude, we still have orgies y'know :beam:
Of course, the abundance of horrible, disfiguring diseases tends to put a brake on it... :juggle2:

Vorian

01-21-2008, 13:44

Dude, we still have orgies y'know :beam:
Of course, the abundance of horrible, disfiguring diseases tends to put a brake on it... :juggle2:

Really? Does your girlfriend accept the idea? Cause I have yet to find one that likes threesomes :laugh4: :laugh4:

Orgies nowadays are like orgies in the roman times. For the rich.

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

01-21-2008, 21:46

Are you crazy? You can't take your girlfriend with you to your orgy. I would hate my girlfriend after the orgy, that's the same as cheating (doesn't matter that I would have cheated as well, I'm a man after all :laugh4:). You need one (or more, depends on how much you can afford) for the heart, and for the *bleep* you can't have enough anyhow, you know.:no:

Vorian

01-22-2008, 02:07

LOl, of course I wouldn't but I would really like it if she could *share* me with another girl if you know what I mean.

I think this discussion has started to border forum rules for offensive posts.:laugh4:

Intranetusa

01-22-2008, 02:21

Actually, in most of the world people still retain the concept that whiteness equates to beauty. Here in Asia for example, there is an endless bombardment of TV adverts for whitening cream and girls are obsessive about avoiding the sun.... in direct opposition to the tanning agents and sun-worshipping of the west!

Yeh, that's actually from thousands of years of tradition. In classical East Asia, the view was that women were suppose to be feminine, delicate, and light in complexion (yin and yang ideology). ie. represented in paintings, etc

gran_guitarra

01-22-2008, 03:26

I couldn't agree more. And somebody should tell those chicks that skin should never be darker than the hair. Never.

Exception:
Storm style hair (yes, I know a guy like that, it is actually a genetic "defect" that looks awesome and makes chicks melt). Heck, that would look freakin' incredible.

But overall, yes, skin should never be darker than hair. Also, the tan thing only looks good if its natural. (Great thing about living in the caribbean. A tan is incredibly easy to have and maintain). Personally I've always been partial to very dark hair (black (yes, black is natural, just incredibly rare to find natural. The way to find it is to check what it looks like when it reflects light. Natural black hair looks bluish or grayish. If it looks shiny or absorbs light its fake. Oh, and darker gray also means fake) or blood red), and very tall. The rest I don't really care so much.

Vorian

01-22-2008, 17:12

What is storm style hair???

Like X-men's Storm?

General Aetius

01-22-2008, 20:45

:beam: back to the woman of antiquity. I believe they would have probably been as beautiful as woman in the present day except in a different way.

women in general were probably more natural as said earlier, but that wouldn't have applied to everyone. Roman women( and even men) were at different times ,especially the imperial period, known to use make-up, hair dies and other, sometimes harmful cosmetics.( this goes for Elizabeth 1's time also)

:book: from reading books from different periods I have come to the conclusion, not that you should, that most modern people are generally wrong when it comes to ancient day women. Firstly when talking about white skin as beauty it is not saying pale or sickly white. It meant a more satin smooth white. you will notice, in books , that many times people with a sickly pale whiteness were considered ugly. people admired a white "alive" colored skin. A tan was seen as bad because a tan can many times roughen and harden the skins texture.

secondly talking about plump women this does not necessarily mean fat. It most likely means healthy. healthy in that the women were not so skinny that they looked under nourished and that their bones stuck out under the skin. fatness was not admired it was scorned as shown by the fat emperors who were ridiculed after they died or vacated their dictatorship.

thirdly I disagree that women weren't well kept. we tend to underestimate the brains of antiquity. for instance historians, in Egypt, quite recently discovered a manuscript describing how to make a tooth paste, which when made was found to be as effective as modern day toothpaste. In many ancient countries, especially Mediterranean, there was a high standard of cleanliness. other such things as sanitary hearths in medical quarters within roman permanent forts, evidence of successful head operations and advanced medical knowledge help to prove my point.

concerning Cleopatra it wasn't her beauty that attracted men but her wittiness, intelligence and strong willed character.

descriptions and even the not so trustworthy sometimes stylized art give ample proof that the general beauty points were still constant as they are today.

general aetius

Wolfman

01-23-2008, 02:57

The above statement cements my dating an Ancient Egyptian woman. Next would be an asian woman. Than I might make a bee line to Iberia Or North Africa.

CirdanDharix

01-23-2008, 15:54

:book: from reading books from different periods I have come to the conclusion, not that you should, that most modern people are generally wrong when it comes to ancient day women. Firstly when talking about white skin as beauty it is not saying pale or sickly white. It meant a more satin smooth white. you will notice, in books , that many times people with a sickly pale whiteness were considered ugly. people admired a white "alive" colored skin.

I think you may be misled by differing standards for men and women. White skin--the whiter the better--would generally be desirable for women but effeminate and an object of scorn for men, at least among Greeks and Romans.

Justinian II

01-23-2008, 16:21

concerning Cleopatra it wasn't her beauty that attracted men but her wittiness, intelligence and strong willed character.

Women like that are those that attract me anyway. I probably, for that matter, would have been attracted to Aspasia of Miletus....

Long lost Caesar

01-23-2008, 19:04

does anybody know how tall women would have been in antiquity? i know EVERYBODY was shorter than the average person now, but women are naturally smaller than the larger frames of us dudes, and i was wondering how much smaller women were. plus the diet: italians have always been small, partly because our country isnt the best for grazing cows to get meat, whereas the steppes and the forests of germany were filled with animals. god i would have had a field day back then.... but the women! uhh, just gimme a rachel bilson look-a-like and im set, toothpaste or no:clown:

Tellos Athenaios

01-23-2008, 19:39

Well... it depends. For instance it is clear that whoever lived in these bogs 2000 years ago was significantly smaller than the modern day Dutch; on the average. But I honestly doubt it was that much the case with Italians: especially with the women... I mean how much smaller than 1.50-1.60 m can you get and still claim to be fully grown up?

Hooahguy

01-23-2008, 19:54

youre referring to height right?

Tellos Athenaios

01-23-2008, 20:02

Yeah.

Hax

01-23-2008, 20:36

But, Tellos, lot's of people are generally shorter than the average Dutch. We Dutch are tall and scarysome.

Ibrahim

01-24-2008, 07:22

But, Tellos, lot's of people are generally shorter than the average Dutch. We Dutch are tall and scarysome.

then you dutch would be very scary to me (arabs are around 5 ft 6" or 1.6-1.75m tall) I'm considered really tall at 6 ft or 1.8m. when I came to America most of the Girls around ( in Texas) were almost my hight-can only imagine your people~:(

guess that's why I'm tall (bit of Dutch from mom):idea2: ~;)

marodeur

01-24-2008, 12:15

Originally Posted by Romano-Dacis
I probably would have gone with a Thracian/Dacian gal, seeing as how they had their diets supplemented with more protein and milk due to the transhumant pastoralism some of them practiced; I may also be slightly biased, coming from Romania.

I understand some girls from NW Romania don't go for the suntan? In fact they don't go out in the daytime at all? Or was that just in a movie I saw...:scared:

But those girls are also not drinking milk this often i guess...

marodeur

01-24-2008, 12:22

I've always been quite fond of the Empress Theodora, though she's...arguably more medieval than ancient. She looks rather stunning IMO in that wall mosaic in Ravenna.

Do you mean this one?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Theodora_mosaik_ravenna.jpg

Wodeson

01-24-2008, 15:42

Your semi-nomad hunter gathers generally had a good varied diet with plenty of vitamins and protein. They were generally more fit and healthy than your peasant farmers relying on a high carbohydrate diet, performing repetitive labour.

Rodion Romanovich

01-24-2008, 16:01

Women. You can't live with them, and you can't kill them. I know that for certain, someone, thousands of years ago coined that expression. In his infinite wisdom, I salute his sagacity. From Mandane, today we have Kim Kardashian ~:joker:
:laugh4: :laugh4: Nice version of "you can't live with them, you can't live without them" :2thumbsup:

Rodion Romanovich

01-24-2008, 16:06

@topic: I think antiquity health and hygiene would vary a lot from place to place. Your best bet would probably be a quite small barbarian village located very close to a river, or a people of steppe nomads migrating in areas with good water supply. Second best bet would be a roman or greek aristocrat during the time when bath houses etc were built out, but remember they had plenty of nasty things such as olive oil etc on them, probably stinking a lot since they would take substitutes to normal bathes, and plenty of disgusting makeup substances. Worst place to look would probably be other crowded "civilied" cities from the entire period, or smaller villages located very far from the sea or a river.

Jaywalker-Jack

01-24-2008, 21:51

When I was younger I used to think "Man, Ancient Egyptian women must have been hot" until I realized they had all these problems, and as a bonus, also shaved their heads....[/QUOTE]

I remember reading that the female Pharoah Hapshepsut, at least by the time of her death, was obese and had rotten teeth (according to what they could tell from her remains).

MerlinusCDXX

01-25-2008, 02:38

When I was younger I used to think "Man, Ancient Egyptian women must have been hot" until I realized they had all these problems, and as a bonus, also shaved their heads....

I remember reading that the female Pharoah Hapshepsut, at least by the time of her death, was obese and had rotten teeth (according to what they could tell from her remains).[/QUOTE]

LOL...she had a beer belly :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: ~:cheers: :egypt: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:

Hooahguy

01-25-2008, 02:56

they had beer in egypt?:inquisitive:
i thought alcohol was a forbidden substance in egypt, or at least in the time of the pyramids. :shrug:

Intranetusa

01-25-2008, 03:26

they had beer in egypt?:inquisitive:
i thought alcohol was a forbidden substance in egypt, or at least in the time of the pyramids. :shrug:

The Egyptians and Mesopotamians invented beer. :D

"Before 6000 BC, beer was made from barley in Sumeria and Babylonia. Reliefs on Egyptian tombs dating from 2400 BC show that barley or partly germinated barley was crushed, mixed with water, and dried into cakes. When broken up and mixed with water, the cakes gave an extract that was fermented by microorganisms accumulated on the surfaces of fermenting vessels."

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9106004/beer#66615.toc

Hooahguy

01-25-2008, 03:28

niiiice!!!!!!!!!!!
i wish i was egyptian..... :egypt:
lol

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

01-25-2008, 04:50

Iirc Hatshepsut was not only a bit ugly, but the result of incest and thus severely deformed. "Special people" or so I believe you call that over there in the US.

General Appo

01-25-2008, 20:58

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01-25-2008, 22:03

Horst Nordfink

01-25-2008, 22:18

Does take the romance out of it somewhat. Like to see Shakespeare write that in a good light.

Rodion Romanovich

01-25-2008, 23:03

I rememeber reading that in Egypt there was so much sand in the particular sort of breed they ate and some other things so most people (including rich people) would have lost all their teeth at around the age of 30, and a lot of teeths before that.
Just imagine a love scene between Caesar and Cleopathra, and Cleo opens her mouth only to reveal a dark empty cavern of rotting flesh. Ouuuu.
Could actually make the whole compulsory Caesar-Cleopathra scene in Caesar movies a bit more interesting... Caesar wouldn't just think of how to make Egypt a part of Rome, but also weigh the advantages of doing so against the disadvantages - "is Egypt really worth THIS?" Add some darkness to the room, long shadows, and slow, heavy music and the scene would be an excellent piece of art when Cleopathra slowly opens her mouth: "don't you love me any more, Caesar?"... :2thumbsup:

Vorian

01-26-2008, 02:43

I rememeber reading that in Egypt there was so much sand in the particular sort of breed they ate and some other things so most people (including rich people) would have lost all their teeth at around the age of 30, and a lot of teeths before that.
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I read it too, in the magazine "Science Illustrated". Apparently rich people had the worst teeth since they ate stuff with sugar in while the peasants couldn't afford such expensive food.

Kολοσσός

01-26-2008, 03:02

Unfortunately antique chicks had bad teef. This was because the way grain was milled into flour-using a couple of flat stones. Stone to stone friction produced lots of ambient dust from the stone which ended up in the flour and then the bread. A lifetime of eating that was like a lifetime of eating sandpaper-the abrasive damage to the teef was significant resulting in enamel loss and all kinds of painful abscesses. In the absence of modern dental hygiene the smell of your breath was quite important in antiquity. Obviously a majority of people had extremely bad breath due to rotten teeth. Megas Alexandros was described as having a pleasant breath odor-it was actually noted in the biographies of the conqueror.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1241/589033396_e973591e36.jpg

Ibrahim

01-26-2008, 03:20

Wow dude! those teeth are terrible!:skull: :skull: :no: :dizzy2:
What Museum is this from? And when and where did she live, and what age?

Kολοσσός

01-26-2008, 03:36

Wow dude! those teeth are terrible!:skull: :skull: :no: :dizzy2:
What Museum is this from? And when and where did she live, and what age?

I don't know if the skull is ancient and in fact I have no idea where it's from. I just posted the picture to make my post more dramatic.

Mouzafphaerre

01-26-2008, 05:19

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C'mon guys! You can do better. :smash:

In order to turn this into an ancient babe thread, I'm opening the way with the usual stuff:

https://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6016/cleopatrabusttt3.jpg
Cleo

https://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5100/oktadrachmonarsinoeiiizp5.jpg
Arsinoe III

:kiss2:
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Wolfman

01-26-2008, 07:03

Cleopatra. Yick! When I finally discovered what she really looked like i was dissapointed. She's not the type of Egyptian babe i would date at all. Arsinoe doesn't look to bad to me. She Would be someone I would date.

blank

01-26-2008, 12:41

Arsinoe doesn't look to bad to me. She Would be someone I would date.

You have low standards man... :beam:
Besides, that's a side view, can't judge by that alone eh? :whip:

Mouzafphaerre

01-26-2008, 13:54

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"Don't turn your front to me woman! How many times do I have to tell you to keep your side?" :whip:
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Ibrahim

01-26-2008, 17:31

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"Don't turn your front to me woman! How many times do I have to tell you to keep your side?" :whip:
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Oh let her be...:laugh4:

Obelics

01-26-2008, 19:37

i suppose it's Agrippina Junior? Or Senior? im not sure:

https://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1188/agrippinabustfrontyq5.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

quite good for me btw.

I found this site when a guy draw the roman ladies from some marble portraits.
They are really ugly for actual standards, at last in the way he has drawn them.
http://www.beastcoins.com/Topical/RomanWomen/RomanWomen.htm

This is my favorite, I have a big poster in my house:
https://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6196/5470wx9.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
it's a pompei fresco (actually in Naples "MANN"). Someone says it could be the Saffo poet woman.

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...and the great final! (attention this is really really hot!)
https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3673/ritrattodidonnapr5.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Ibrahim

01-26-2008, 20:29

..and the great final! (attention this is really really hot!)
https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3673/ritrattodidonnapr5.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

ya, right.:inquisitive:

Gebeleisis

01-26-2008, 20:34

that looks...too...manly:inquisitive:

Intranetusa

01-26-2008, 20:39

OMG it's a man!!!

or a shemale with a uni-brow

General Appo

01-26-2008, 20:39

That picture made me laugh for almost half an hour. Still does.
Sooo.... not sexy.
One thing I´ve noticed is that many women seems to have very round faces, just look at Agrippina.

hellenes

01-26-2008, 21:17

Well guys Kleopatra was Greek so all this pathetic imagery of her being Isis incarnate is just on the level of the IQ of lowest common denominator....
And also I wouldnt say that Ancient women were dirty or smelly or that they had breath smell problems....Remember that hygene was pretty low in Western world from 467 till well into 1800 apart from ERE of course...
You could tell a knight from miles by his stench....
On topic here are some ladies that arent that bad:
http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/H/S/AphroditeErosScudder-l.jpg
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Misc/AphroditePan.jpg
http://www.arthistory.sbc.edu/imageswomen/papers/lombardiaphrodite/pics/mars_and_aphrodite.jpg
http://www.shafe.co.uk/crystal/images/lshafe/Praxiteles_Aphrodite_of_Cnidos.jpg

Obelics

01-26-2008, 21:34

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One thing I´ve noticed is that many women seems to have very round faces, just look at Agrippina.

well i think round faces and bodies was the actual standard i think at last until the last century, try to confront the picture of Agrippina with this beauty of the last century (1800) (it's an italian poetess just of info):

https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2715/immaginego0.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

you can see they seems to come almost from the same age.
Anyway i find both quite attractive.

Obelics

01-26-2008, 22:00

This is Ottavia (Ith C. After C.)
https://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3306/ottaviakz2.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
It's nice for me.

an etruscan sarcofagus:
https://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5206/bmetruscansarcophagusdy8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
The woman isn't that good (ok but the sarcofagus it's incredible beautiful)
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and wait! THIS TIME IT's NOT A JOKE! THE HOTTEST GIRL EVER!!!
AND I SAY EVER!!!
Nefertitihttps://img115.imageshack.us/img115/232/nefertiti1vf3.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

blank

01-26-2008, 22:51

THE HOTTEST GIRL EVER!!!
AND I SAY EVER!!!

No.

General Appo

01-26-2008, 23:01

Kinda..... no.

Mouzafphaerre

01-26-2008, 23:07

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Too...skinny. :inquisitive:

I'll take Agrippina.
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Obelics

01-27-2008, 00:21

No.

Kinda..... no.

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Too...skinny. :inquisitive:

I'll take Agrippina.
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i cant believe, people, what is that dont go with Nefertiti, have you looked her lips, her perfect Modigliani's neck, her seductive lips, come'on, i really think she's pheraphs the most beautiful woman portrait in ancien time :wall:

Now i want some man of good taste, who really understand beauty, to come here and defend her beautiness.:yes:

Mouzafphaerre

01-27-2008, 00:53

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What do I get in return? :eyebrows:
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MiniMe

01-27-2008, 01:34

Now i want some man of good taste, who really understand beauty, to come here and defend her beautiness.:yes:
Since you most obviously were referring to My Magnificence, Me shall take Thy side, Good Obelics, and state that this skinny bird here is completely to my refined taste

Cheers
MiniMe
The Sad Jedi

Obelics

01-27-2008, 01:47

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What do I get in return? :eyebrows:
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A free night closed in the sarcofagus with her mummy:idea2:
:laugh4: :egypt: :clown:

Since you most obviously were referring to My Magnificence, Me shall take Thy side, Good Obelics, and state that this skinny bird here is completely to my refined taste

Cheers
MiniMe
The Sad Jedi

thanks god, there still exist people of good taste!:balloon2: :yes:

[anyway i admit if she was a bit less skinny would have been perfect]

TWFanatic

01-27-2008, 02:41

I could do her. However that skull is a real turn-off. :skull:

Glad to see we've found some excuse to make a babe thread in the EB forum. :egypt:

Barbarian

01-27-2008, 03:16

i cant believe, people, what is that dont go with Nefertiti, have you looked her lips, her perfect Modigliani's neck, her seductive lips, come'on, i really think she's pheraphs the most beautiful woman portrait in ancien time :wall:

Now i want some man of good taste, who really understand beauty, to come here and defend her beautiness.:yes:

I am at your side man. Btw, look at the computer recreation of Nefertiti's portrait, thats more accurate and is quite believable:

http://wysinger.homestead.com/files/nef-inside.jpg

Portrait on papyrus:

http://images.etsy.com/all_images/5/555/03c/il_fullxfull.15343220.jpg

Agrippina is cute too:

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=13608&rendTypeId=4

Wolfman

01-27-2008, 03:28

Nefertiti is pretty hot to me I don't care what anybody says. As for Agrippina and Ottavia they look like Dudes! Yick!

Mouzafphaerre

01-27-2008, 04:58

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Ottavia, yes, but Agrippina is mine! The reconstructed portrait (and the premise of a night in the sarcophagus :laugh4:) changed my mind: Nefertiti :rtwyes:
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Cadwalader

01-27-2008, 10:15

They should reconstruct the faces of all ancient female skulls, and have a Miss BCE-contest.

Obelics

01-27-2008, 13:07

mouzafphaerre, i too love Agrippina (dont know why, lets call it "personality"?)
https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5252/immagineagru3.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

regarding Nefertiti, i dont like the actual face recostructions, except this!!!:eyebrows:

https://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9829/nefertitigridsmallhx7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
Now lets open an official Nefertiti FAN CLUB!!!

i think she could have looked much like this:~;p :scared: :scared: ~:flirt: ~:flirt: :saint: :saint: :saint:
https://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1922/cosmnl4.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

id love to have Neffy to do like this::whip: :saint: ~:thumb:
https://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1173/bread11ja8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Again for Egiptophili, who dont would have had a little girl like this?
https://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6971/breads1ji8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

and here's a more recent woman from roman period Egypt:
https://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9824/ypatiaqt1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
im sure she isn't the actual beauty for boys under 25, but i think a more mature audience will appreciate it, i find it a very fachinating mature woman.

and from the middle East, pre-islamic iranian woman (just modern artwork btw:no: )
https://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8269/irshakiba04jy8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
if they looked like this id love it.

And now lets transfer ourselves in the Egean sea:
https://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1481/santorinifrescoog3.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
Minoic!

and this cretan madamas are wearing what could have been the actual everyday fashion in that period (no tops...)
https://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7362/blueladiesee4.gif (https://imageshack.us)

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And now THE GREAT FINAL (MISS ANCIENT WORLD BIKINI CONTEST!!!)
https://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1261/800pxcasalebikinilg0jf1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

https://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8189/397pxpiazzaarmerinamosaww9.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4905/apr10piazzaamgirlsfn6.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

(they are from Piazza Armerina Villa in Sicily)

And the WINNER IS (lets give her the CROWN:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :bounce: ):
https://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8864/noiabikini3ya9.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

for very hot pics go to the wikipedia page of the Naples MANN here:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museo_archeologico_nazionale_di_Napoli
look at the bottom of the page

blank

01-27-2008, 13:45

https://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8864/noiabikini3ya9.jpg

She looks kind of like a deformed mutant to me, sorry (wtf is up with the hips? :skull: ) The face reminds me of a burn victim who's corpse has been left out in the sun for too long.

Obelics

01-27-2008, 14:04

She looks kind of like a deformed mutant to me, sorry (wtf is up with the hips? :skull: ) The face reminds me of a burn victim who's corpse has been left out in the sun for too long.

i was not discussing on her beauty (it's a very old and consumed mosaic) but the joke was on the fact that she wear a Crown and got the Palm...

It's clear that for me the crown go to Neffy btw:beam:

anyway the mosaics there should be judged as work of art, i dont think you judge a girl appearence by a Picasso's paint...:laugh4:
https://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3392/picasso4364es0.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Rodion Romanovich

01-27-2008, 14:11

I'll take the Cretans, the Minoic one, and the one from the Egyptian wooden mini-statue.

General Aetius

01-27-2008, 14:41

here are some more. some of them aren't real people, except for Livia, but the gods were probably based on real people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Athena_type_Velletri.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Athena_ciste.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Statue_Of_Venus.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Livia_Drusila_-_Paestum_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Livia_statue.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Head_of_Nike.jpg

they are all hot to me, especially Athena

General Aetius

Rodion Romanovich

01-27-2008, 14:48

Just remember, if you're with Livia, DON'T drink or eat anything she offers, and don't even pick apples from trees which she has been close to... :no:

CirdanDharix

01-27-2008, 14:55

Alternately, be Mithradates VI Eupator Dionysos the Great--yes your name is a bit long so she'll probably shorten it to something silly-sounding, but at least she can't poison you.

Obelics

01-27-2008, 16:48

here are some more. some of them aren't real people, except for Livia, but the gods were probably based on real people

hmmm... id like to keep on real people... anyway if you want to speak of goddess... ok ok...

Afrodite Callipige...
https://img179.imageshack.us/img179/923/kallip3kq5.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
I guess everyone knows what does it means Callipige...:juggle2:

General Appo

01-27-2008, 19:05

A lot of nice ladies, and some not quite so nice. But I just can´t get the picture of the man and the goat from Wiki out of my head. Yuuk!
Just thought os something, if we were Roman aristocrats ( and I know we would be) we could do it with any slave we wanted to, and since only beautiful slaves were elected to the household staff, I´m sure there would be lots of beautiful women around us willing (or forced) to "put out".
Of course, because of our teaching we wouldn´t feel bad about doing it with women who doesn´t have a choice. I mean, even Cato did it with slaves.

Barbarian

01-27-2008, 19:53

Btw, I believe Livia looked like this:

http://www.ancientworlds.net/aworlds_media/ibase_1/00/11/02/00110252_000.gif

:jawdrop: :2thumbsup: :yes: :beam:

General Appo

01-27-2008, 20:11

Okay, now that is sexy. Hehe, I just got the dirtiest fantasies about having her as my personal slave.

Rodion Romanovich

01-27-2008, 20:19

Btw, I believe Livia looked like this:

http://www.ancientworlds.net/aworlds_media/ibase_1/00/11/02/00110252_000.gif

:jawdrop: :2thumbsup: :yes: :beam:
Looks doesn't matter in this case - off to the lions with that poison-mixing *****! :rtwno: :whip:

(assuming "I, Claudius" is anywhere near historically correct)

MerlinusCDXX

01-28-2008, 11:17

Looks doesn't matter in this case - off to the lions with that poison-mixing *****! :rtwno: :whip:

(assuming "I, Claudius" is anywhere near historically correct)

yeah, you might get poisoned...but I could see a man dying happy
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: (assuming that pic is correct)

CirdanDharix

01-28-2008, 16:10

Looks doesn't matter in this case - off to the lions with that poison-mixing *****! :rtwno: :whip:

(assuming "I, Claudius" is anywhere near historically correct)
No need for lions, Scythian shamans and their poison habituation program are your friends.

I repeat what I was told/Mithradates, he died old

marodeur

01-29-2008, 11:54

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Too...skinny. :inquisitive:

I'll take Agrippina.
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So that leaves Nofretete for me.
But I will wait for a time-traveling device and won't accept the mummy-idea.

blank

01-29-2008, 12:24

So that leaves Nofretete for me.
But I will wait for a time-traveling device and won't accept the mummy-idea.

You'd also have to contend with a crazy pharaoh and his weird head :egypt:

Barbarian

01-29-2008, 12:24

I am sure that Agrippina at the moment looks much worse than Nefertiti, as she wasn't Mummyfied.:egypt:

Obelics

01-29-2008, 13:38

...but I could see a man dying happy
that's true! ahah!

btw, here's another bikini statue (ok i will not name anymore the name of the museum, they should pay me...)
https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7868/ph1104sizedsl8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
damn, i only found this black and white photo on the web, it still have coulour around. (the only things i hate of classic greco-roman statues, are the big feet! I love little feet)
now i understand from were got the ispiration G.Lucas for his space fantasy slave...
https://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3830/leiaslavezb1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

anyway this is my current civilized slave, i got her after have conquered a settlement with the Aedui:
https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5046/rm1244el1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
i have to say that im quite saddisfacted with her...:whip:

marodeur

01-29-2008, 14:13

You'd also have to contend with a crazy pharaoh and his weird head :egypt:

Thanks for the advice. Will have to take an army with me to the meeting.:dancing: :charge: :egypt:

CirdanDharix

01-29-2008, 14:35

Well, since no-one's claimed Livia, the poisoner is mine. Time to test my Scythian shaman's knowledge of poisons, I guess...

EDIT:

anyway this is my current civilized slave, i got her after have conquered a settlement with the Aedui:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

i have to say that im quite saddisfacted with her...:whip:
Ah yes, Sadistfaction. It ain't fun until she bleeds.

marodeur

01-29-2008, 15:21

[QUOTE=Obelics]that's true! ahah!

btw, here's another bikini statue (ok i will not name anymore the name of the museum, they should pay me...)
https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7868/ph1104sizedsl8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
damn, i only found this black and white photo on the web, it still have coulour around. (the only things i hate of classic greco-roman statues, are the big feet! I love little feet)

Hi bigfoot! No, really, I like this one.

blank

01-29-2008, 16:42

That midget is her husband?

Rodion Romanovich

01-29-2008, 18:46

yeah, you might get poisoned...but I could see a man dying happy
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: (assuming that pic is correct)
Well, the recreations can never be 100% true, for instance, I would guess the real one had much thinner lips (on that pic she looks like she has put some silicone in them a la Angelina Jolie), and shorter, less marked eyelashes (they're even bigger than what computer-edited women today get after applying both mascara and photoshop). The reconstructors also have no hints or models at all AFAIK on how to reconstruct uneven coloring of the facial skin (due to freckles, acne, small scars, pore exits for various glands and fat capsules etc etc), or wrinkles which by the age of around 40 usually become too big to cover completely with makeup. For all of those traits, the reconstructors should IMO choose to make a few different versions of their final generated picture so you could choose for yourself which one you believe in :2thumbsup:

Obelics

01-29-2008, 19:07

That midget is her husband?
imagine how many funny things, with a giantess wife...

anyway give a look at this page for leather roman pants:
http://www.brickfields.org.uk/text/roman-relics.html

These bikini bottoms probably belonged to a young acrobatic dancer. Not only are they rather skimpy but the young woman in question would have performed topless! They are beautifully preserved because they are made of leather which keeps well when water logged. They were found in a well in Queen Street in the City.

Rodion Romanovich

01-29-2008, 19:24

lol! ~:)

MerlinusCDXX

01-29-2008, 19:38

Well, since no-one's claimed Livia, the poisoner is mine. Time to test my Scythian shaman's knowledge of poisons, I guess...

EDIT:

Ah yes, Sadistfaction. It ain't fun until she bleeds.

Did you not read my claim? I said, I could see a man dying happy, I am a man, ergo...

get yer grubby paws offa my evil redhead, I'm an old bastard, I ain't goin' for quantity in my golden years. Yeah, she'll shorten my life, but lookin' at that, honestly, who gives a **** about losing 10 disease and discomfort ridden years anyways. LOL

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

01-30-2008, 00:21

Just yesterday I saw a chick and I thought, "she looks antique. Hmm, where do I know her from?" But then it suddenly came to my mind. I swear she looked 100% like this:

https://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2355/asterixundcleopatracovepy8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Hooahguy

01-30-2008, 01:55

ahhh..... asterisk and obliesk(sp?)....... you sly foxes! lol

Maeran

01-30-2008, 02:02

She looked like Obelix? Shudder

Livia? If she ever looked remotely like that it would have been when she was married to Tiberius Claudius Nero.

Unless prospective amours introduce themselves as 'Gaivs Jvlivs Caesar' I doubt you're going to do better than a pugio in the gut from hubby's servants.

Cyclops

01-30-2008, 02:19

She looked like Obelix? Shudder...

Maybe he meant she looked like an Egyptian architect's rear end?:inquisitive:

I met a South African girl in London, nice young woman but a little plump, and when she wore a strapless dress she bore a distinct resemblance to Obelix. Her shameless boyfriend used to flourish her photo to strangers, but he was a turd.

Anyway, would any of the women from the many and varied cultures and civilisations find modern net-users attractive?

If they were used to their tanned fit leather-wearing soldierboys, then we'd all look pale, flabby (I mean they used to walk everywhere, ancient Rome was just a giant stairmaster), and dress all weird, and speak weird languages, and have strange breath ("ewww, no tooth rot!") and none of us have any slaves ("am I supposed to peel my own grapes?") or even a decent chariot ("I'm not getting in that metal box with smoke coming out of its butt!").

Maeran

01-30-2008, 02:26

Clearly our EB related fixation on Antiquity is doing us down.

Plump and pasty was 'in' in the late 18th/early 19th century. And you get heaving bosoms (and admittedly also gout).

Wolfman

01-30-2008, 04:26

Ok I know this is old but i have to say this. I have changed my mind about Arsinoe. She was Uggly!!! I looked up some pics of her and a full view of her face made my stomach feel queasy. Agrippina over her any day.

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

01-30-2008, 04:40

Edited the picture of Cleopatra / tram girl. So that those of you who can recall girls solely out of memory aren't left so confused any more. You have to admit she is the most beautyful in this thread.:yes: :smitten:

marodeur

01-30-2008, 12:01

Edited the picture of Cleopatra / tram girl. So that those of you who can recall girls solely out of memory aren't left so confused any more.

Thanks a lot. I was already confused and asked myself what everybody as talking about. Girls... Aren't girls those shy little creatures living in kitchens and changing rooms which you sometimes see on tv? :cheerleader:

CirdanDharix

01-30-2008, 15:18

Did you not read my claim? I said, I could see a man dying happy, I am a man, ergo...

get yer grubby paws offa my evil redhead, I'm an old bastard, I ain't goin' for quantity in my golden years. Yeah, she'll shorten my life, but lookin' at that, honestly, who gives a **** about losing 10 disease and discomfort ridden years anyways. LOL
Hmmm, even if you get first shot, she'd soon be a widow, but it's the pirnciple of the thing. I say we let her choose, since no woman could resist my solid red gold scythe-bladed chariot pulled by four white Nisaean horses with Scuderia Ferrari tatoos :egypt: :clown: :laugh4:

Kagemusha

01-30-2008, 15:20

How about Nefertiti? She didnt seem to look half bad:

https://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8089/nefertiticz8.jpg

Her name actually roughly translates into "the beutiful". Here is her supposed mummy and atleast i think that the bust and the mummy resemble each other pretty much:

https://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7167/nefertiti61072jamessideyq2.jpg

Maeran

01-31-2008, 04:47

Well, she still has great hair!

jman47

01-31-2008, 06:17

i agree with Justinian II, Theodora was hot as hell. plus she knew what she was doing!:2thumbsup:

lol ive always been fond of women from Thailand, Phillipines, Brazil, Italy, Romania, Russia and India. yea thats a long list, hopefully ill complete than one b4 i die :skull: :laugh4:

i think were all a little to obsessed with EB when were dreaming about women from the ancients tho, but my dad always said id bang a snake if someone held its head for me so im sure id find plenty of attractive women in antiquity.

just imagine the reaction of any women stumbling upon this thread tho ;)

marodeur

01-31-2008, 15:12

Anyway, would any of the women from the many and varied cultures and civilisations find modern net-users attractive?

Experience of life: Never ask a question of which you do not really want to hear the answer...

marodeur

01-31-2008, 15:19

https://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7167/nefertiti61072jamessideyq2.jpg

Back to topic.
I thought, egyptian woman, especially those of the nobility, would shave their heads? AFAIK Nofretete was the wife of Echnaton, the "heretic king" who made aton egypts only god and also changed the style of egyptian art (reforms his successors reversed) - is Nofretetes hair also a change from "typical egyptian" hairstyle-tradition or did other queens also have long hair?

Kagemusha

01-31-2008, 15:23

Back to topic.
I thought, egyptian woman, especially those of the nobility, would shave their heads? AFAIK Nofretete was the wife of Echnaton, the "heretic king" who made aton egypts only god and also changed the style of egyptian art (reforms his successors reversed) - is Nofretetes hair also a change from "typical egyptian" hairstyle-tradition or did other queens also have long hair?

Im not 100% sure, but i believe that the mummy is wearing a wig.:yes:

Obelics

01-31-2008, 15:45

since in this thread we are become just a bunch of necrophiles, i think we should love the mummy too....:skull:

Rodion Romanovich

01-31-2008, 16:58

since in this thread we are become just a bunch of necrophiles, i think we should love the mummy too....:skull:
Well, I guess this is the new Babe thread then:
http://images.google.se/images?hl=en&q=mummy&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
:wall: :no: :sweatdrop:

Primative1

01-31-2008, 20:38

Back to topic.
I thought, egyptian woman, especially those of the nobility, would shave their heads? AFAIK Nofretete was the wife of Echnaton, the "heretic king" who made aton egypts only god and also changed the style of egyptian art (reforms his successors reversed) - is Nofretetes hair also a change from "typical egyptian" hairstyle-tradition or did other queens also have long hair?

Hair & nails continue to grow for several months after death.

Megas Methuselah

01-31-2008, 21:18

Eugh. These latest posts have really started to make me feel sick...
:uneasy:

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

02-01-2008, 00:05

Hair & nails continue to grow for several months after death.
My hair grows about one to two centimeters a month, and mom always says "your hair grows so fast..." I doubt Nofretete's hair grew for two years in her coffin out of her mummified skin... :inquisitive:

Folgore

02-01-2008, 02:48

Hair & nails continue to grow for several months after death.
That's complete nonsense.

It can look like hair and nails grow a little after death, but that is only because the skin around them retracts because of dehydration.

marodeur

02-01-2008, 09:56

:weirdthread:
Sorry to have started nercomania by a simple question.

I thought, egyptian woman, especially those of the nobility, would shave their heads? AFAIK Nofretete was the wife of Echnaton, the "heretic king" who made aton egypts only god and also changed the style of egyptian art (reforms his successors reversed) - is Nofretetes hair also a change from "typical egyptian" hairstyle-tradition or did other queens also have long hair?

Lets talk about girls again. :cheerleader:
Has anybody got pictures of statues or so of known female opponents of rome like for example Boudicca or Zenobia? What about Clodia Pulcher? I think all pics we had until now were greek, roman, egyptian. What about germanic or celtic paintings/figures of women?

Obelics

02-01-2008, 12:30

ok then just to resurrect the moral here, here's another callipige venus shot:
https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/79/marcheo400we2.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
from greek callipygos (beautifull a..ss) (so now you can say callipygos to girls on the street without they becoming angry...)
the head was added later.
it's like the monnalisa of the museum, everyone see somethink different in that smiling a..s

and the three graces from pompei:
https://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8774/threegracesdetailbn0.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

and this is a neo-classical interpretation of the same theme by Antonio Canova:
https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5420/12649largeyh9.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

regarding non greco-roman
i think to the dama of elche, from pre roman iberia:
https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7067/ladamaei4.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

detail
https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8120/detallerostrodu4.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

interpretation 1
https://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9749/f6401xq4.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

interpretation 2
https://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5498/damacoloreadavu2.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

interpretation 3
https://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4470/11471876000xe3.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
ok the model is not that great, but id like to have a girl with those huge rings!

Rodion Romanovich

02-01-2008, 14:37

*adds "callipygos" to personal voculabulary* :grin:

Obelics

02-01-2008, 16:27

ok, im not sure... bah... who cares, it's just a statue!

this is my "personal" photoshopped interpretation of the Venere Callipige:
(I tryed to make the colours more "natural skin like", i dont know what do you say?)

https://img233.imageshack.us/img233/372/callipigetl9.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

i will delete it if someone repute it offensive:embarassed:

Justinian II

02-01-2008, 16:28

Hey, what about Phryne?

After all, it's said she stripped down in a court of law and her beauty swayed the judges....

And there's the fact that she's the model for the Venus de Milo, one of the first realistic nude statues in the world:-)

Cadwalader

02-01-2008, 19:16

If anyone is prude enough to find a stone butt offensive Obelisc, you should rather spam their E-mails with "David" and the like.

Obelics

02-01-2008, 19:56

ah, you know, there are so much different cultures here on the internet, sometime i forget this... and also so different ages peoples... I sayd that just cause i zoomed it out and give it a more natural colour with the photoshop...:laugh4:

The Wandering Scholar

02-01-2008, 23:05

Hey, what about Phryne?

After all, it's said she stripped down in a court of law and her beauty swayed the judges....

Possibly why women were not allowed in the senate, beauty is a tool that could be exploited and used.

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

02-01-2008, 23:50

Honestly, I don't think that women changed at all over the time. At least not considerably.

Primative1

02-02-2008, 09:35

Possibly why women were not allowed in the senate, beauty is a tool that could be exploited and used.

arf, most of them would rather have buggered a boy than screw a woman. The exclusion was down to good old-fashioned misogyny.

The Wandering Scholar

02-02-2008, 13:55

How come everone was so peverted in them days, I mean Atticus with his young greeks but had a wife and children, Sulla and Metrobius. I know everyone is a strong word.

Hegix

02-02-2008, 15:47

The standards of society were different in those days. They hadn't experienced centuries of christian indoctrination telling them that they were sinners. Much like catholic priests today, buggering young boys might have been a status boost. Or like most men in places of power today, having mistresses or doing prostitutes. Maybe people are just as perverted in these days, or maybe even more, because in these days we are supposed to know better.

Maeran

02-02-2008, 17:06

At first I thought that it might have been Roman anti-Greek propaganda. But it seems that the practice of pederasty simply was a bit more pronounced amongst the Greeks than other cultures (where it still existed). When the Romans became more Greek-influenced, they took up the practice too, but to what degree I don't know (Hadrian was pretty upset when his lover drowned though).

I think that the practice developed from a sort of 'apprenticeship' in which an older man took on a younger boy and showed him how to be a man (in war, in citizenship and perhaps only later on it took on the aspects of love that the Greeks talked about).

Maybe it wasn't as widely practiced as everyone thinks- along with all the sexual debauchery of the ancient world. It would simply be magnified because ancient writers liked writing about sex and sensationalism and modern readers like sex and sensationalism too.

blank

02-02-2008, 17:15

*looks at topic title and wonders why half the posts are about necrophilia and perverts*

Maeran

02-02-2008, 17:20

It's about hot women,from 2000 years ago.

Sex + long dead people => perversion

It is an obvious progression to me anyway.

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

02-02-2008, 21:56

Primative1

02-02-2008, 22:27

I don't think that these relationsships necessarily involved anal sex. At least the Alexander biographer whose name escapes me at the moment talks of a poem or a play in which the author makes fun of "the stupidity to have anal sex". We shouldn't imagine those pseudo-pederastic relationships as hardcore gay bang... or whatever might be the term in English for such stuff.

Alexander was a hard-bitten soldier, I doubt that there was too much romance & flowers about him. Who cares anyway? What consenting adults get up to is nobody elses business imho.

blank

02-02-2008, 22:34

Alexander was a hard-bitten soldier, I doubt that there was too much romance & flowers about him. Who cares anyway? What consenting adults get up to is nobody elses business imho.

He talked about men & boys, not men & men

Primative1

02-02-2008, 22:38

Did he? Where?

General Appo

02-02-2008, 23:09

Ehhh... guys, can we please move away from anal male sex and hardcore gay bang between long dead guys and back to hot long dead chicks instead?

Obelics

02-02-2008, 23:39

im starting to think minoan women are simply the best, if i had to turn back in time i would go back in Crete around the Minoic period...

look at this
https://img246.imageshack.us/img246/566/minoangr1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

and this is a recostruction on how could they look those madamas:
https://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9161/minoanwomenbx1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

i took the images from this site, that is very interesting!
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Fashion.htm

now call me Minosse!:laugh4:

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

02-03-2008, 00:20

Alexander was a hard-bitten soldier, I doubt that there was too much romance & flowers about him. Who cares anyway? What consenting adults get up to is nobody elses business imho.
I was referring to pederast habitous in ancient Greece, not to "real" homosexuality.

The babes of Crete are best! I strongly second Obelics' claim and provide you with the enticing news that they are still, even today the hottest babes around. I cannot recall such big breasts in such an abundance, and perfect shape from anywhere around the mediterranean. And looking at the pictures, I get the impression they had this special quality already back then.

Mouzafphaerre

02-03-2008, 03:23

.

https://img246.imageshack.us/img246/566/minoangr1.jpg
Look like my old therapist. :inquisitive:
.

General Appo

02-03-2008, 08:57

She wore the same clothes? ´Cause if she did, I would gladly be declared a phsyco just to go to therapy.

Rodion Romanovich

02-03-2008, 09:49

She wore the same clothes? ´Cause if she did, I would gladly be declared a phsyco just to go to therapy.
:laugh4:

Cadwalader

02-03-2008, 10:15

Nobody's posted Venus yet?

http://i30.tinypic.com/1sck5g.jpg
I wonder if the idol was revered and worshipped, or the boys took turn taking it to the bushes. Not that it triggers any body functions on me.

And how about this Thai beauty?

http://i27.tinypic.com/2yuzm2a.jpg

blank

02-03-2008, 13:17

Nobody's posted Venus yet?

http://i30.tinypic.com/1sck5g.jpg
I wonder if the idol was revered and worshipped, or the boys took turn taking it to the bushes. Not that it triggers any body functions on me.

I would prefer Nefertiti's mummy over something like that... ugh

MerlinusCDXX

02-03-2008, 17:34

*cough* *clears throat* I believe the thread title is "Hot Chicks in Antiquity", not an advertisement for Jennius Craigus.

Cadwalader

02-03-2008, 20:39

Yeah, she wouldn't make a modell today, but that's what was hot back then!:beam: They liked big mommas.

kambiz

02-03-2008, 23:13

*Never mind*

marodeur

02-04-2008, 02:43

Honestly, I don't think that women changed at all over the time. At least not considerably.

I have got the feeling that you are right... .

Spotted Pig

02-05-2008, 14:53

For everyones pleasure:

http://www.paleothea.com/
Greek goddesses FTW!

General Appo

02-05-2008, 20:30

Damn that´s a lot of nice chicks. Though most of them are gods, and probably wouldn´t bother with a simple mortal such as me.

The Wandering Scholar

02-05-2008, 22:59

marodeur

02-08-2008, 12:18

https://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9161/minoanwomenbx1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

i took the images from this site, that is very interesting!
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Fashion.htm

Quite a good argument to conquer crete as soon as possible (and massacre all males, getting some civilised slaves). MUAHAHAHA!:viking:

PershsNhpios

02-08-2008, 12:55

Ha ha, I don't want to be skeptical, or, or a party pooper or anything - but is there really a thread questioning the sexual appeal of women throughout history in a lurid manner on the same page as a depressingly fanatical historic debate thread?

I suppose this is where the aspiring historian ends and the lonesome gamer begins!

... Come on!

DaCrAzYmOfO

02-08-2008, 17:21

LOL nice

But yeah those Cretan women look hot...I think ima take a vacation to crete when I have plenty of money lmao

Obelics

02-08-2008, 18:13

Quite a good argument to conquer crete as soon as possible (and massacre all males, getting some civilised slaves). MUAHAHAHA!:viking:

hmmm.... here's another civilized slave...
https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5234/6083068op1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
:juggle2:

and a germanic barbarian woman?
https://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2736/jw08iv0.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

The Wandering Scholar

02-08-2008, 18:19

I'll have to pick the civilised slave, keep in the present peepz.

Obelics

02-08-2008, 18:46

and a statue of a Muse from the vatican museums
https://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9157/eut001nu5.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

As usually almost all these Classical Statues are completely ruined by the HUGE FEET! I HATE THIS!:furious3:

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

02-08-2008, 19:50

PershsNhpios

02-09-2008, 02:56

It's not so much a cottage, as a house.

But I do admit, I have very strong arms from all the water carrying I have to do, and my momma allus kicks me ass if'n I don't milk me goat on time.

-----------------

But, Centurio, for god sake you are one of the more presentable ones here, surely you would agree of my disapproval on a bunch of forum users trying to find some way of getting off by pictures of statues of ancient women?!

The Wandering Scholar

02-09-2008, 13:26

haha!

Conradus

02-09-2008, 18:52

But, Centurio, for god sake you are one of the more presentable ones here, surely you would agree of my disapproval on a bunch of forum users trying to find some way of getting off by pictures of statues of ancient women?!

I can't see how it would annoy you. The women don't mind, that's for sure:yes:
And if they get their fun out of it, who cares:2thumbsup:

Personnally I wouldn't mind to see some girls in Cretan dresses:2thumbsup:

Obelics

02-09-2008, 19:21

here's a nice Etruscan lady:
https://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4305/etrusladygl2.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Venere of Cnido (i think should be at the Vatican but im not sure)
https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4425/aphrodite1pc7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
(look at those nipples...)

a roman mosaic showing a prostitute:
https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3628/pameretrix2prostitutepk2.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

and the fancy hair-style of the Flavian Dinasty:
https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8756/matronvenus1tl6.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
she seems to say: "kneel at my feet!" (sorry i have an obsession with feet...:whip: )

ah! i was forgetting... my actual numidian skirmisher slave...
https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9717/numtogawomanyu7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

love those numidians...

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

02-09-2008, 20:42

But, Centurio, for god sake you are one of the more presentable ones here, surely you would agree of my disapproval on a bunch of forum users trying to find some way of getting off by pictures of statues of ancient women?!
Be merry, at least you get to see a few women after all (except momma).

Venere of Cnido (i think should be at the Vatican but im not sure)
https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4425/aphrodite1pc7.jpg (https://imageshack.us/)
(look at those nipples...)
Definitely the hottest so far (except Cleo).

marodeur

02-20-2008, 01:52

Be merry, at least you get to see a few women after all (except momma).

Definitely the hottest so far (except Cleo).

To be honest, I prefer my women with two legs... :saint:

IndianPrince

02-21-2008, 04:20

How come everone was so peverted in them days, I mean Atticus with his young greeks but had a wife and children, Sulla and Metrobius. I know everyone is a strong word.

Point of view my friend ... point of view. Changes have taken place since then. What was once a moral is now a sin. The world changes ... and so do the morals.

Prince

Constantius I

02-21-2008, 06:35

Point of view my friend ... point of view. Changes have taken place since then. What was once a moral is now a sin. The world changes ... and so do the morals.

Prince
haha glad sins came along, well I love to study the ancient world it would have sucked to live in it unless you were a king or nobility or something.

IndianPrince

02-22-2008, 02:49

haha glad sins came along, well I love to study the ancient world it would have sucked to live in it unless you were a king or nobility or something.

lol ... true. Especially the slaves !!! brrrr ... scary !!!

Prince

Leviathan DarklyCute

02-22-2008, 13:44

Now here's a beautiful & cute girls form the old times:
http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/46452/2004820654028533349_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004820654028533349)
:smitten: :sweetheart:

antisocialmunky

02-23-2008, 04:43

We should sticky this thread. It is epic and full of win and boobs.

King Philip II

02-23-2008, 12:12

great thread - very good read - thanks!

blank

02-23-2008, 13:24

https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8756/matronvenus1tl6.jpg

https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4425/aphrodite1pc7.jpg

They are fat and ugly.

This topic = epic fail

Sorry about that last part, i couldn't help myself after reading ASM's post... :beam:

Leviathan DarklyCute

02-23-2008, 15:14

It is epic and full of win and boobs.

They are fat and ugly.

This topic = epic fail
Do me a favor, keep this kind of talking outside of this forum.
We have an intelligent way of discussing thing in here, and there is no reason for any stupid memes or 4chan's infamous negative approach to spread in here.

Obelics

02-23-2008, 17:19

They are fat and ugly.

there are so much different tastes... for me they are beautifull and with a lot of "substance"...
i think you have to exercise your eye to the classic canons:book: , i repute it very important for your estetical development...:clown:
you could start from the XIX cent. impressionists:
https://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7734/dierotharrigebadendelz7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

anyway, back to antiquity, here's Afrodite and Pan from the N.A.M. of Athens:
https://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9079/aphroditepanzy4.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
this is a very erotic composition, you can see she is putting off her sandal to strike Pan, it's like she is trying to tease him... (and look at her face, she seems to think "why not?"), it's for refined mouths... a bit of feticism here:laugh4: . (the little putto there is Cupid, now just think how much times that little cupid angel is canonized and repeated in history of Art.)

and two other shots of flavian dinasty(that of Vespasian and company) hair-dress:
https://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6799/flavianhair4faw6.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

https://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6544/flavianhair4cbt2.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
some girls here, could find ispiration...:idea2:
(i love Modigliani's necks!)

blank

02-23-2008, 18:36

Do me a favor, keep this kind of talking outside of this forum.
We have an intelligent way of discussing thing in here, and there is no reason for any stupid memes or 4chan's infamous negative approach to spread in here.

A question: is it very windy up on that high horse of yours?

P.S. congratulations on misinterpreting my post :2thumbsup:

antisocialmunky

02-24-2008, 05:14

Mine was a joke, I dunno about blank though.

This is a thread about hot chicks that has turned into posting pics of female statues, dude. I'd be worried if you took this too seriously. :laugh4:

Ibrahim

02-29-2008, 00:40

where's Cato the Censor when you need him most?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: to whoever shows a reeeeeeaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllly wierd hair-do besides the Flavian one

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

02-29-2008, 04:04

:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: to whoever shows a reeeeeeaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllly wierd hair-do besides the Flavian one

https://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2982/amybeimzahnarztfm4.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Slightly out of EB's timeframe, but the girl's a reenactor.

kambiz

02-29-2008, 09:25

Slightly out of EB's timeframe, but the girl's a reenactor.Amy Winehouse is a reenactor !?

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

03-01-2008, 00:13

A sixties reenactor.

I want my balloons!

ziegenpeter

09-02-2008, 12:54

Grriffon

09-02-2008, 20:50

Sounds like the search is more after healthy ladies now. I figure your best bet would be the aristocracy in any case, as the common folk everywhere tended to be various malnourished and severely overworked (leading to all kinds of deformities). The upper crust ought to also have gotten at least a passable supply of vitamines (from grapes and other fruits if nothing else) and hence avoided scurvy and similar complications, too.

Healthy and fit is my idea of beauty. As to the rest, fair or tan, hair color, height, eye color, real or fake, etc. etc., that is just variety. Generally I prefer a slightly tanned, short, large natural breasted woman, but as long as they are healthy and fit they are beautiful in my opinion, and variety is the spice of life! :beam:

Celtic_Punk

09-03-2008, 03:55

i'd have tapped cleopatra VII probably... i would have seek her out... hwen i would be through, she'd never sit again.

Lusitani

09-03-2008, 05:13

What about "barbarian" women ...not many representations of those around are there??

Celtic_Punk

09-03-2008, 05:19

Boudicca was rumoured to have been incredibly beautiful, and it was also rumoured that a Roman engineer fell in love with her. So she would have been beautiful to even Roman standards. yes she was as high class as they came in Britain, but considering her hygiene would not have been anywhere near Roman standards, ancient celt women must have had something back then... as they do now :P

||Lz3||

09-03-2008, 05:35

this particular conversation came into my mind when I saw this thread

Gimli: It's true you don't see many dwarf women. And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they are often mistaken for dwarf men.
Aragorn: [whispering] It's the beards.

:laugh3:

AntiTank

09-03-2008, 12:14

1) People in the past would have lost a lot of their teeth, especially in the lower classes. Thnk about it: no fortified milk, toothpaste, flouride-enriched water etc.

Funny that the Archaeological evidence shows they actually had healthy teeth with cavities few and far between.

Also Fluoride actually degrades your teeth, it also doesn't help that the fluoride that is used in Municipal Water and toothpaste comes straight from Aluminum Processing Plants. Calcium now, which your teeth are made of, is what strengthens your teeth.

Tollheit

09-03-2008, 12:39

I don't have fluoride-enriched water either, thankfully, and I don't even know what "fortified milk" is supposed to be.
Ok, so I lost two teeth, but this was due to hockey, not due to bad dental hygiene.

Abokasee

09-03-2008, 13:03

-Ignore, wrong thread I fear, silly me-

rider

09-03-2008, 22:07

What about Messina or whatever Claudius' wife was named?

She was reported to have done, what, a hundred and fifty men on one afternoon or something...

Lusitani

09-03-2008, 23:08

What about Messina or whatever Claudius' wife was named?

She was reported to have done, what, a hundred and fifty men on one afternoon or something...

What!?!?!?! :dizzy2::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

pirates_say_arrgg

09-03-2008, 23:25

You know they probably didn't shave, right?

TWFanatic

09-04-2008, 00:09

The ancients likely had far less cavities than us because of their diet. Speaking from experience, I hardly ever brushed my teeth as a kid (every other day or so) and yet never got a cavity. This is because I hardly ever ate candy or other sweets, my parents simply didn't keep it in the house. To this day I drink my coffee black and don't eat dessert.

I know it sounds repulsing, but for some reason my breath never turns sour unless I eat something really nasty, so I never felt the need. Until I went on the garlic diet that is--I didn't actually lose weight on that one, but I did look thinner from a distance.

As for my teeth, they seem to never turn yellow. :juggle2:

Anyway, great thread guys. Maybe we should pin this and re-title it, "The EB Babe Thread."

konny

09-04-2008, 11:09

You know they probably didn't shave, right?

Men and women in Ancient Rome did use wax excessivily; so you wouldn't find a single hair more on their body than on modern people.

Ibrahim

09-04-2008, 15:29

Men and women in Ancient Rome did use wax excessivily; so you wouldn't find a single hair more on their body than on modern people.

probably less...:wink:

lobf

09-04-2008, 17:02

Men and women in Ancient Rome did use wax excessivily; so you wouldn't find a single hair more on their body than on modern people.

!!! Really? That is very interesting. Can you cite me something so I can read about this?

Ibrahim

09-04-2008, 17:33

!!! Really? That is very interesting. Can you cite me something so I can read about this?

here's one: Ovidus..common advice in his works: get rid of all ye hairs, including shaving the face (hair of pate not included)

Suetonius mentions Caesar plucking his hair out, and being a nitpick...save the hair on his pate.

now, non say "waxing" per se IIRC, but they do at least hint to the plucking out of hair. wax could have been a method...

Celtic_Punk

09-04-2008, 18:17

!!! Really? That is very interesting. Can you cite me something so I can read about this?

i bet he actually means "do you have a source with interesting pictures? I must study diagrams to better understand the subject matter!"

and about clau-clau-clau-Claudius's wife, thats the beauty of orgee's mate. quite unbeffiting for someone of her stature though to be at such a party.

konny

09-04-2008, 19:25

!!! Really? That is very interesting. Can you cite me something so I can read about this?

A Roman poet (forgot which one) wrote something like, "In the bath-houses louder than the shouts of the waxers are the cries of their customers". It is clear that they used the way in the same than it used today.

Ibrahim

09-05-2008, 01:31

A Roman poet (forgot which one) wrote something like, "In the bath-houses louder than the shouts of the waxers are the cries of their customers". It is clear that they used the way in the same than it used today.

ah, yes, I remember that one. sadly i did not mention it, because the poet was unknown. I wouldn't be surprised if eith Juvenal or Martial wrote that line though.:laugh4:

blitzkrieg80

09-05-2008, 19:46

I know this is an old thread and I haven't read it entirely but there are 2 things I'd like to mention about the germans (the people(s) of antiquity I'm most interested in).
Maybe the hygene standards in the mediterranian area was very high but nevertheless, they had no soap. It was used by germans and afaik some celts (you can guess it because even in modern roman languages it's the germanic root. compare germ. "Seife" french "savon").
And meat was not an every days meal for the germans. I think this belongs to the old clichées of the bearded barbarian, wearing a winged/horned helmet, laying on his bearskin, sipping mead out of a huge horn and grilling a whole pig over a campfire...
My literature tells me that the mostly eat grain-food. But other grains, and thats also problably why they were talller.

PS: Yeah I'm a german:viking:

One of the few things said by Tacitus which were very true was that there was no ability for effective farming techniques in the cold Northern climate of Germany without the technology of heavier iron plows, ect. Yes they farmed, but no, they did not eat mostly wheat/corn(the true one as in cornmeal, a grain not maize), rye and/or barley. They DID eat swine which could be cultivated from the forests and left to their own, a much easier food source than farming, which was also not something they especially enjoyed or reinforced culturally. Milk was important to their diet, as well as fishing such as herring on the coasts. The lack of localized, high populations in single settlements points to a lack of farming, which was invented and used for such a purpose... hunting and gathering then might be quite a bit undeestimated, such as with deer- despite not completely adhering to a nomadic lifeway. The closer the Germanics got to the steppe also they more and more they would have returned to their original pastoralist practices as part of the IE cultural heritage, although rainfall agriculture and rye (which can be grown in harsher climates) would have still been in use.

Wheat would not account for height- that is a protein based development, if considering nurture over nature. The carbs would allow the protein consumed to not be burned for energy, but by itself, cannot do what meats and high protein diets can. The only way vegetarians even survive today is with artificially engineered soy that has more amino acids than found in the environment. Mankind would have never developed the high brain mass it has without hunting and meat-consumption- it's a fact of life. Similarly, the population of Japan is quite a bit taller than it has ever been because they are eating more than just rice. The Netherlands has the tallest people on average in the world, but I do not know if that is nec. related ~;p