Judt tried out shogun.

[Telys]

I wasn't expecting much. I've played mtw and liked it but didn't get to involved in it, but when I played shogun I was pleasantly suprised. Even though the campaign doesn't have much to it I still felt somewhat involved. I think the movies definetely make up for a lot. I did have one question though. I read the dutch show up eventually and don't require you to build a christian church. Now I've had the portugese show up, but when do the dutch show up.

[Wasp]

Very late, I think it's around 1580 or so, depending on where your ports are.

[TosaInu]

Hello Telys,

The authentic date is 1600, STW uses an earlier date. The 1580 Wasp mentioned sounds right.

[Togakure]

In WE 1.02 it depends on the campaign you're playing. In the standard 1530 Sengoku Jidai campaign, the Dutch seem to show up in 1561 like clockwork (though not necessarily in your territory; as Wasp writes, it depends on where your ports are located). This is not the case for the other campaigns.

[Gregoshi]

Between this thread, and the two "which is better" threads here and in the EH, I've got this sudden itch to play STW again...

[Martok]

Come back to us, Gregoshi! You know you want to.... :devil: