How doomed am I?

Yesterday I stated my most enjoyable campaign in a while as a Pontos. I started out by taking Sinope, Nikaia and Byzantion with the starting troops, supported the Seleukids in their war against Pahlava and consolidated my gains for a while.
Few turns later, the Seleukids declare on me and start besieging Amaseia, though they accept peace whenever I offer it.
Needing a better position I move on to take Trapezous and Chersonesos (I figured having a city as far as possible from the seleukids couldn't hurt).
They keep besieging me and accepting peace as soon as I offer it. I make my move and take Galatia and Ipsos. At this point, the cities I took in the first turns are now big enough to support a full stack, maybe two, without falling behind economically.

Now here's the sad part : Two Ptolemaic full stacks show up at Ipsos. The Seleukids no longer accept my peace offer. I t turns out they are allied now.

Do you have any tips on how to handle things? I'm seriously considering cheating to dissolve their alliance, if that's even possible.

Time for a migration!

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Originally Posted by Vorian

Time for a migration!

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That sounds like your answer to everything.

Fight to the last man in Anatolia, meanwhile you ship/march your family members to Chersonesos. There you can lick your wounds and recruite armies for an eventual return. That's at least how I would have played it. As soon as I get bored with my Romani campaign I will start a Pontos campaign...

And I thought playing as Pahlava and having AS and Ptoleis allied from 270 onwards is bad...

give the getians a piece of your mind(a.k.a move to thraike) that way you can train cheap, nasty, but effective drapanai and thraikioi rhomphaiaphoroi... then not even the klerouchon Agema can stop you.

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Originally Posted by defiant3279

That sounds like your answer to everything.

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Guilty

Let that be a lesson - don't mess with the Koinon! You should probably move out, and fight back in. Or hold and pray, but that rarely works except like a life-support machine. I have fought massive and mighty alliances off on occasion, like all of the vanilla romans [urk!]at once[/urk!] but only with a really productive and fortified state. My advice is, although the brits in 1914 did this, is to bring all of their forces into the field at once in a huge battle, win gloriously and push the frontier. However, this requires a huge army, and the risk is potentially huge

With great risk comes great reward. Blitz the bastards, throw in everything you have, force them back, give them no respite!

time to crush both ot them to the end of the world. Really. Just take whole asia minor

If you capture two or three cities from AS, and destroy their major forces in Anatolia, they will be willing to return to a temporary ceasefire... If they do not, you can use the "Force_diplomacy" cheat to get yourself some breathing space. Truthfully, you are facing a lengthy series of wars against these two powers, and your best bet is to capture all of anatolia, using Force_diplomacy to to keep the wars limited in scope (versus the epic world wars the a.i. prefers). Force diplomacy is useful, but the enemy will attack you anyway the very next turn if you have not destroyed their regional forces. The AS has the most reasonable diplomatic personality of any a.i. so if they refuse to make a ceasefire with you it is usually because they have a major stack already targeted onto one of your cities. If you defeat that stack (destroy it completely) they will probably agree to a ceasefire until they train up a new stack. Since they are allied to the Ptollies, you will face an unending series of stacks until you break their alliance. To do that, capture a key city of either one, and gift it to the other. They will fight over the city, and that should outbreak into war. You should also sack said city and sell all of its buildings, for $$ and also to increase the likelihood that it revolts and sparks a war. Then again, you could also retreat to the Crimea and play a whole new style of game...

Donald Trump tells me to get revenge and take risks.

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT.

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Originally Posted by Vorian

Guilty

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"WERE WINNING"

"&%@#, Were migrating, pack your stuff and move out!!"

Actually...migrating to the city of Chersonesos is a good idea, from there, capture Pantikapaion and restrengthen your armies. Then come back and crush the Seleucids!

I also start a game whit Pontos and find myself in the same situation after a few turn. I agree whit Dumbass (Blitz the bastards) Up to the end my friend... Whitout cheating they never gonna accept a truce. Try to have your army assemble on a bridge or on a montain slope. Regardless you have to unlock every trade agreement you can in order to have a somewhat good economy to support your war effort. Good luck commander :medievalcheers:

Its usually not too hard to beat on the AS if they are taking pain from every other angle, ie Pahlava, Baktria, Hayasadan, Makedon, KH etc. So, diplomacy can help here.

The ptolies are a different story though... only answer is to beat them on the field. Repeatedly.

You have already taken too much for a retreat to be worthwhile IMO - fight to the last man!

you're toast, face it.. BOW TO THE MIGHTY GREEKS