Carthage Question: Sacred Band vs. Elite Liby-Phoenician Infantry

Hey

I've been enjoying my Carthage campaign recently but I've got a question regarding the Sacred Band and the Elite Liby-Phoenician infantry units.

Both these units seem identical in almost all respects:

Same Stats
Same AOR
Same Numbers (well, one is one larger i think)
Same costs

The only significant difference is that the Sacred Band has a higher MIC requirement.



I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed this and maybe the reason behind it. It just seemed a bit odd that a faction would have two identical units, with just a different mic level, and their visual appearance, to separate them.

Is there any reason to use one over the other besides visual preference?

Sacred Band are Carthaginian citizens.
Elite Liby-Phoenicians are - indeed - Liby-Phoenicians...

Is their any reason to use spear unit A over spear unit B apart from chosing to have both in your army, to make it a balanced army or to represent the whole population of your empire?

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Originally Posted by Mediolanicus

Sacred Band are Carthaginian citizens.
Elite Liby-Phoenicians are - indeed - Liby-Phoenicians...

Is their any reason to use spear unit A over spear unit B apart from chosing to have both in your army, to make it a balanced army or to represent the whole population of your empire?

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It's to represent the historical units. Evidently the liby-Phoeenician Elite and the sacred band were basically equal in terms of strength, so there stats represent this.

Units that are basicly the same?
THIS IS HISTORICAL ACCURACY!

/me kicks a Lorica Segmenta into a hole.

Aren't the sacred band infantry the ones that use the sarissa phalanx formation in the game while the elite liby-phonetician are the ones using the regular hoplite phalanx formation?

I think that's the major 'game mechanics' difference - not sure about history though

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Originally Posted by Rilder

Units that are basicly the same?
THIS IS HISTORICAL ACCURACY!

/me kicks a Lorica Segmenta into a hole.

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That's awful. Try:

This is Accurate!

THIS! IS! EB!!!!

*Kicks Amazon chariots into well*

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Originally Posted by Intranetusa

Aren't the sacred band infantry the ones that use the sarissa phalanx formation in the game while the elite liby-phonetician are the ones using the regular hoplite phalanx formation?

I think that's the major 'game mechanics' difference - not sure about history though

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no, they both use classical greek phalanx ingame.

my question was angled more towards the gameplay reasoning behind their same-ness (a la shouldnt one be weaker and cheaper and one be stronger and more expensive) but since it was done more for reasons of historical accuracy i understand.

thanks for answering

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Originally Posted by Kasrkin519

no, they both use classical greek phalanx ingame.

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Oh I see. This must be the 1.1 change then. (I still have EB v1.0 lol)

Axes makes the liby-phoencians even stronger imho.

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Originally Posted by Intranetusa

Oh I see. This must be the 1.1 change then. (I still have EB v1.0 lol)

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Nope, you are talking about the elite phalanx.

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...ican_pikes.gif

We're talking about these guys :
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...im_kdoshim.gif https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...ed_libypho.gif

If you want your game to be historically correct, I suggest not using either one.

On basis of what?

The Sacred Band wasn't used in the 2nd Punic war and afterwards. So you might only want to use them in the early game. Unless you RP them still being used, reused,... or if you don't care.

Have you checked their morale (and other possible differences) ? Is it the same too?

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Originally Posted by Zarax

Axes makes the liby-phoencians even stronger imho.

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Thats why I don't use them. It makes them too good. A unit with that high of stats and an ap weapon will just destroy everything in it's path.

Well, you start needing those when the ptolemies start sending hordes of gauls and agemas...

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Originally Posted by Mediolanicus

Nope, you are talking about the elite phalanx.
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...ican_pikes.gif
We're talking about these guys :
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...im_kdoshim.gif https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...ed_libypho.gif

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No, I'm not referring to the Elite African Pikemen - I know my EB units :D

I'm saying that the Sacred Band is suppose to be a classical hoplite unit, but the game mechanics portray it as almost a sarissa style phalanx (similar to the hoplite units in RTW vanilla)

I extended TWFanatic's phalanx mod and made it a unit of tight, classical hoplites as seen in his mini-mod.
:yes:

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

I extended TWFanatic's phalanx mod and made it a unit of tight, classical hoplites as seen in his mini-mod.
:yes:

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Ah I see. It all makes sense now. thanks :D