Hard Drugs should be legal

The government has no right to tell me what I can and can not put into my body. They only have a right to reprimand me if I begin to harm others or property.

But Strike, prohibition works. Why mess with a system that's functioning so well?

Among certain people physical health is their religion and anything that harms it is sacraligious.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

The government has no right to tell me what I can and can not put into my body.

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Dam right. ~:cheers:

Legalising hard-drugs is polically supporting twisted regimes, we can't do that. As a recreational user I wouldn't mind having it legalised when homegrown but I would never support it legalisation as it is now. Bit hard, if the government allows you to swim with great whites there is little justification in banning drugs but it doesn't always have to be fair.

Hmm, should it be legal to drive intoxicated as well as long as you do not harm anyone?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Legalising hard-drugs is polically supporting twisted regimes, we can't do that. As a recreational user I wouldn't mind having it legalised when homegrown but I would never support it legalisation as it is now. Bit hard, if the government allows you to swim with great whites there is little justification in banning drugs but it doesn't always have to be fair.

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We must ban all products from China. Immediately.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Hmm, should it be legal to drive intoxicated as well as long as you do not harm anyone?

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Where's the potential harm for others in you taking a hard drug? As long as you don't start driving while intoxicated..

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Among certain people physical health is their religion and anything that harms it is sacraligious.

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Then don't buy the drugs:inquisitive:

Damn straight. The government shouldn't be able to tell ME I can't drink and drive. I should be able to decide what I want to do while I'm drunk. *tears up ticket*

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Originally Posted by SwedishFish

Damn straight. The government shouldn't be able to tell ME I can't drink and drive. I should be able to decide what I want to do while I'm drunk. *tears up ticket*

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This isn't about drinking and driving its about the legalization of but not limited to Pot, Coke, Shrooms, Heroine, Meth, Speed, LSD, Ecstasy etc.

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Originally Posted by SwedishFish

Damn straight. The government shouldn't be able to tell ME I can't drink and drive. I should be able to decide what I want to do while I'm drunk. *tears up ticket*

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That was sarcastic, right?

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Then don't buy the drugs:inquisitive:

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But everyone must be converted!

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Hmm, should it be legal to drive intoxicated as well as long as you do not harm anyone?

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Should russian roulette be legal if you don't kill anyone? :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

But everyone must be converted!
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Some people take steroids (which are extremely misunderstood but trying to argue that is useless) in order to get a better body...on second thought I dont know what youre saying

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

This isn't about drinking and driving its about the legalization of but not limited to Pot, Coke, Shrooms, Heroine, Meth, Speed, LSD, Ecstasy etc.

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Point is that if those drugs are made legal, they are also made more available meaning more people will use them.

As the government's job is to protect stupid people from themselves, banning hard drugs also reduces the number of people that drive or do other potentially dangerous activities while being under the influence of the drugs.

Its called harm prevention. Generally better for society than waiting for the harm to occur and then dealing with it (note: loss of life is difficult to compensate)

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Point is that if those drugs are made legal, they are also made more available meaning more people will use them.

As the government's job is to protect stupid people from themselves, banning hard drugs also reduces the number of people that drive or do other potentially dangerous activities while being under the influence of the drugs.

Its called harm prevention. Generally better for society than waiting for the harm to occur and then dealing with it (note: loss of life is difficult to compensate)

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If someone wants to ruin their lives with drugs let them. The government should be involved as little as possible in our personal lives. The government is not your mother it should not hold your hand through your life. Not to mention if you're to dumb to understand the risks you might be better off six feet under. A little individual responsibility never hurt anyone

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Point is that if those drugs are made legal, they are also made more available meaning more people will use them.

As the government's job is to protect stupid people from themselves, banning hard drugs also reduces the number of people that drive or do other potentially dangerous activities while being under the influence of the drugs.

Its called harm prevention. Generally better for society than waiting for the harm to occur and then dealing with it (note: loss of life is difficult to compensate)

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Despite our lax laws we have the lowest use of cannabis in europe save the Irish. Allowing is sometimes prevention.

SFTS: I think you are missing my point. What I am saying is that while we might not care what people do to themselves, as soon as they do something which may affect others (i.e. driving a car), it affects everyone. If he runs over someone while under the influence of drugs, do you just say "tough luck"?

Fragony: But Texas is not the Netherlands :wink:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Point is that if those drugs are made legal, they are also made more available meaning more people will use them.

As the government's job is to protect stupid people from themselves, banning hard drugs also reduces the number of people that drive or do other potentially dangerous activities while being under the influence of the drugs.

Its called harm prevention. Generally better for society than waiting for the harm to occur and then dealing with it (note: loss of life is difficult to compensate)

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"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling
into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from
falling into error."

--US Supreme Court

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

SFTS: I think you are missing my point. What I am saying is that while we might not care what people do to themselves, as soon as they do something which may affect others (i.e. driving a car), it affects everyone. If he runs over someone while under the influence of drugs, do you just say "tough luck"?

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I think the numbers of users who increase due to legalization will be statistically negligible. People aren't going to sit there and say " Herion is 4.99 well dadgum might as well try it". The legality of these drugs plays little role in the people who actually use them.

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Fragony: But Texas is not the Netherlands

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Bigot

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

SFTS: I think you are missing my point. What I am saying is that while we might not care what people do to themselves, as soon as they do something which may affect others (i.e. driving a car), it affects everyone. If he runs over someone while under the influence of drugs, do you just say "tough luck"?

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Off to ban alcohol as well then. And driving without a purpose accepted by the constitution. Save them lives and let them be lived tight.

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Originally Posted by Viking

Where's the potential harm for others in you taking a hard drug? As long as you don't start driving while intoxicated..

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Insurance prices.

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If he runs over someone while under the influence of drugs, do you just say "tough luck"?

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I think he's been clear he doesn't support that being legal.

I want to say I agree with everything Strike's said in this thread.

CR

Legalize them.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

As the government's job is to protect stupid people from themselves, banning hard drugs also reduces the number of people that drive or do other potentially dangerous activities while being under the influence of the drugs.

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I disagree. The government should protect people from the stupidity of others, and I don't disagree with food and safety standards and suchlike meant to protect consumers. Using drugs is different in that people make a conscious decision to accept a certain risk. Grown adults should be treated as such.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Insurance prices.

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I sure hope you exercise everyday and only eat health food.

Also people who die from drug use don't collect social security

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I think the numbers of users who increase due to legalization will be statistically negligible. People aren't going to sit there and say " Herion is 4.99 well dadgum might as well try it". The legality of these drugs plays little role in the people who actually use them.

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I disagree.
While they are illegal, their prices are significantly higher and they are available only on the black market via dealers. Once they become legalized, the prices drop and you can sell them openly on the street. I would imagine especially young people who can then afford it will give it a try and possibly end up seriously harmed or dead as a result, costing the taxpayers healthcare because in current society we care for the ill and don't just leave them to die as we used to.

Viking: Hard drugs have a lot more negative effects in comparison to alcohol. You'll end up with a lot more harmed newborns (who did not ask to be harmed while in the womb of an addict or someone who gave the drugs a try), kids who happen to see it on the kitchen counter and similarly, a larger number of addicts (hard drugs are more addictive than soft drugs like alcohol, hence the name) that go through the taxpaid health system.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

The government has no right to tell me what I can and can not put into my body. They only have a right to reprimand me if I begin to harm others or property.

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Becuase the majority of citizens in almost any given country do not want the side effects that accompany free use of hard drugs. Just look at the late 1800's and early 1900's opium problems, in most countries even in that era.

A person on acid, shrooms and other halucinogens is no longer in complete control of their person and can become a threat to others quite easily. Pcp is something of another beast, people have been known to take round after round of bullets and be nearly unaffected by it. Meth, and the assorted anffedamines also massively hamper ones ability to think of consequences, and are massively addictive. Nearly the same with cocaine and crack.

The reason why hard drugs are illegal, is simply becuase society has decided that they want them banned. The ills committed by those under their use is unwanted and banning the use of them is one way of trying to control it.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Despite our lax laws we have the lowest use of cannabis in europe save the Irish. Allowing is sometimes prevention

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Cannabis is not a hard drug, no where near it and uncomparable. Why cannabis is illegal is a totally different reason then most hard drugs. In the USA alot of it has to do with racism in the early 1900's prohibition atmosphere.

Cannabis should be legal imop, there is little wrong with it. If someone get's their jolly's getting stoned downing a bag of potatoe chips and generally being lazy for a bit then it's not the governments concern. Weed has been used by man for most of our history.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I disagree.
While they are illegal, their prices are significantly higher and they are available only on the black market via dealers. Once they become legalized, the prices drop and you can sell them openly on the street. I would imagine especially young people who can then afford it will give it a try and possibly end up seriously harmed or dead as a result, costing the taxpayers healthcare because in current society we care for the ill and don't just leave them to die as we used to.

Viking: Hard drugs have a lot more negative effects in comparison to alcohol. You'll end up with a lot more harmed newborns (who did not ask to be harmed while in the womb of an addict or someone who gave the drugs a try), kids who happen to see it on the kitchen counter and similarly, a larger number of addicts (hard drugs are more addictive than soft drugs like alcohol, hence the name) that go through the taxpaid health system.

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Alcohol and tobacco kills more people than all other drugs combined. Alcohol is on the same level as coke. You just think its safer because the media tells you that. LOL alcohol causes just as many birth defects if not more than these hard drugs. I have been offered coke and ex before at parties and the like and their prices were very reasonable in fact I probably could've talked the guy down. Anyone who is been around the club scene knows the illegality of these drugs is a joke. Not to mention the money this would save the criminal justice system.

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Originally Posted by BigTex

Cannabis is not a hard drug, no where near it and uncomparable.

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Cocaine is and I have been using it (in weekends) since, well forever. If you get caught with it the police will just take it off you and let you go. It is good, drug problem is virtually non-existant here. But legalising, nah. Better to turn a blind eye like we do, too complicated and too hard to sell.

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Originally Posted by BigTex

Becuase the majority of citizens in almost any given country do not want the side effects that accompany free use of hard drugs. Just look at the late 1800's and early 1900's opium problems, in most countries even in that era.

A person on acid, shrooms and other halucinogens is no longer in complete control of their person and can become a threat to others quite easily. Pcp is something of another beast, people have been known to take round after round of bullets and be nearly unaffected by it. Meth, and the assorted anffedamines also massively hamper ones ability to think of consequences, and are massively addictive. Nearly the same with cocaine and crack.

The reason why hard drugs are illegal, is simply becuase society has decided that they want them banned. The ills committed by those under their use is unwanted and banning the use of them is one way of trying to control it.
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Alcohol can produce the same effects and yet it is championed.

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Originally Posted by BigTex

Becuase the majority of citizens in almost any given country do not want the side effects that accompany free use of hard drugs. Just look at the late 1800's and early 1900's opium problems, in most countries even in that era.

A person on acid, shrooms and other halucinogens is no longer in complete control of their person and can become a threat to others quite easily. Pcp is something of another beast, people have been known to take round after round of bullets and be nearly unaffected by it. Meth, and the assorted anffedamines also massively hamper ones ability to think of consequences, and are massively addictive. Nearly the same with cocaine and crack.

The reason why hard drugs are illegal, is simply becuase society has decided that they want them banned. The ills committed by those under their use is unwanted and banning the use of them is one way of trying to control it.

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I think that's a pretty sound argument. The use of hard drugs is an extremely destructive behavior and there is no way in modern life for the effects to be limited to just the user.