10 shot dead at German school in Stuttgart, yet another crybaby going nuts, buy GTA or something if sadistic trash is your sick thing.
RIP casualties, now if only the security has guns. Sad day :no:
edit: busted. The sick :daisy: got arrested at his parents house. A 25 year old, still living at his parents, geez.
Mucho succes to everyone affected. Unlike Louis this type of news makes me very very very angry 10 young people dead because some emo couldn't cope with life. Give me ten minutes and a tong, would love some quality-time with this sick :daisy:
Bah, disgusting.
03-11-2009, 12:15
Louis VI the Fat
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Sad, sad, sad. :shame:
Sometimes this sort of news makes me angry, sometimes frustrated, or scared. Today, just sadness.
Edit: well, no. A certain exasperation too. At what point does one decide, 'hey, know what, I'm going to buy a commando suit, get a gun, and I'm going trough long and intricate preparations to shoot as many children as possible.'
You don't look cool, mighty, at last in control. You look pathetic and weak. A miserable, incompetent loser.
It is sad that a third rate coward, who wouldn't last a day in any really violent surrounding, should destroy so much, forever, just to think himself mighty and powerful for ten minutes. The banality of it irritates me. He could've stayed at home for a :daisy:. Or gotten a decent haircut at last. Either could've sufficed to make these children live. That very triviality, the very irrelevance of some pimple-faced frustrated loser, makes it all feel so pointless.
Do you have a link? Any of the news sources available describe him as a 17 year old former student and most claim he hasn't been apprehended yet. Condolences to those touched by this tragedy.
03-11-2009, 13:09
Fragony
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Do you have a link? Any of the news sources available describe him as a 17 year old former student and most claim he hasn't been apprehended yet. Condolences to those touched by this tragedy.
He's dead by now, shot himself, 17 year old it is. 11 dead kids and many wounded.
FFS 16 dead that makes this the bloodiest out of them all.
I thought Germany didn't allow personal gun ownership. Why didnt' that stop this tragedy?
03-11-2009, 15:18
Fragony
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Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Very, very sad news.
I thought Germany didn't allow personal gun ownership. Why didnt' that stop this tragedy?
You can own guns in Europe, even here in the Netherlands if you don't have a criminal record, you just can't keep them loaded but that would be a stupid thing to do anyway. These things cannot be stopped but it would make my day if people would stop caring about these sick :daisy:. As it turns out I probably know one of the victims parents, a dutch couple that moved from Rotterdam to Germany two years ago.
nope, they weren't. Good for them at least. I am becomming overly scared same happened with the belgium kindergarten in Belgium. Got a call all fine.
03-11-2009, 15:21
Husar
Re: Dressed in black, school, gun, you get it.
Apparently his dad had several legal guns and one wasn't found when police searched the house.
Pretty disgusting this, I always wonder about the motives and now that I think about it, the consequences. This could lead for example to more calls for censorship of games, not like games are important in the light of so many dead people. :shame:
03-11-2009, 15:25
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
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Columbine ROund 3! Another 10 minutes he could have made a new record. Shame people have to do this. Fame? Bullying? Hassarment? We may have know. :hanged::rtwno:
03-11-2009, 16:24
Rhyfelwyr
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Gah, not again. :sick:
The worst thing is, we know there's nothing that can be done to stop it happening again.
03-11-2009, 16:46
Fixiwee
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He's dead by now, shot himself, 17 year old it is. 11 dead kids and many wounded.
FFS 16 dead that makes this the bloodiest out of them all.
Apperently the police shot him down. He took a hostage and shot even 2 people in front of a grocery store.
Aaah. Humantity at its best.
03-11-2009, 17:39
Seamus Fermanagh
Re: Dressed in black, school, gun, you get it.
For the moment, let's not let this morph into a "gun" thread. There will be time enough for that later. My prayers to the families who lost people in both incidents.
03-11-2009, 17:45
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Dressed in black, school, gun, you get it.
What a colossal waste of life. Dozens dead just to satisfy the twisted fantasies of two seriously messed up people. Just once I wish we'd be able to take these miserable excuses for human beings alive so we can let them witness the damage they caused.
03-11-2009, 19:16
lars573
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
What a colossal waste of life. Dozens dead just to satisfy the twisted fantasies of two seriously messed up people. Just once I wish we'd be able to take these miserable excuses for human beings alive so we can let them witness the damage they caused.
Don't you realize that the whole purpose of the rampage is for the perp to die. They want to die, they just don't want to go alone.
03-11-2009, 19:36
Fixiwee
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The universe is hostile
So impersonal
Devour to survive
So it is
So it's always been
Eye on the TV
'Cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor it happens to be
Like
Killed by the husband
Drowned by the ocean
Shot by his own son
She used a poison in his tea
Then she kissed him goodbye
That's my kind of story
It's no fun till someone dies
Don't look at me like
I am a monster
Frown out your one face
But with the other you
Stare like a junkie
Into the TV
Stare like a zombie
While the mother holds her child
Watches him die
Hands to the sky, cryin'
"Why, oh why?"
'Cause I need to watch things die
From a distance
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
You all need it too don't lie
Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until
The blood is flowing.
Neither the brave nor bold--
Nor brightest of stories told--
We won't give pause until
The blood is flowing.
I need to watch things die
From a good safe distance.
Vicariously, I
Live while the whole world dies.
You all feel the same so
Why can't we just admit it?
Blood like rain come down
Drum on grave and ground
Part vampire
Part warrior
Carnivore
and voyeur
Stare at the transmittal
Sing to the death rattle
Credulous at best
Your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men
Pull your head on out
Your hippy haze and give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again
The universe is hostile
So impersonal
Devour to survive
So it is
So it's always been
We all feed on tragedy
It's like Blood to a vampire
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I
03-11-2009, 19:45
LittleGrizzly
Re: Dressed in black, school, gun, you get it.
Errm... can someone explain why a school shooting and a horny old landlady topics have been mixed together... i am really missing whatever logic explains this action...
What I really don't understand here is the pupil coming back to his school after sometime away to commit the crime, not that it excuses it but these school shooter types seem to to be loners/outcasts who generally get picked on then they take revenge generally randomly at students....
But this guy left school, came back to it with (im assuming) most of the people he knew from there gone... im thinking maybe some built up rage and/or depression leading from his school life... so he decided to go and get revenge on the 'school'.
Such a tragedy...
03-11-2009, 19:47
GeneralHankerchief
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Don't you realize that the whole purpose of the rampage is for the perp to die. They want to die, they just don't want to go alone.
Exactly - deny them what they want.
03-11-2009, 20:10
Meneldil
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I fail to understand what a link to Vicarious would be doing here.
That's sad. If I had to make an assumption, I'd say these people find their life pointless and do their best to achieve fame before dying.
03-11-2009, 20:50
Oleander Ardens
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His father was the head of a shooterguild. It seems that many victims had headwounds, the bastard had seemingly trained with a pistol. I prey for their families who lost loved members...
03-11-2009, 21:32
Banquo's Ghost
Re: Dressed in black, school, gun, you get it.
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Errm... can someone explain why a school shooting and a horny old landlady topics have been mixed together... i am really missing whatever logic explains this action...
I have no idea. The irrelevant posts have been deleted.
On topic, I can only offer my deepest condolences to the families that have had to suffer such senseless tragedies in both countries. Words fail.
03-11-2009, 22:43
Reverend Joe
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His father was the head of a shooterguild. It seems that many victims had headwounds, the bastard had seemingly trained with a pistol. I prey for their families who lost loved members...
Dude, **** guns. People like this wouldn't be stopped by a lack of guns; they would just build a few pipe-bombs and take out even more people.
03-11-2009, 22:48
Evil_Maniac From Mars
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Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I thought Germany didn't allow personal gun ownership. Why didnt' that stop this tragedy?
Germany does allow personal gun ownership, but the last time something like this happened it was used to considerably tighten firearm laws. Which, of course, really helped. :rolleyes:
Honestly, you can see here precisely the argument that the anti-gun control crowd, including me, uses. Were firearms laws made insanely restrictive to stop something like this happening again? Yes. Did they actually stop it? No. So get rid of these insane firearms laws and for once send the autocrats in Berlin a message. I wish Germany had a Second Amendment.
:wall:
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Pretty disgusting this, I always wonder about the motives and now that I think about it, the consequences. This could lead for example to more calls for censorship of games, not like games are important in the light of so many dead people. :shame:
Yes, the age old video game argument will arise as well - and will actually be seriously deliberated. I honestly and openly dislike the political class in this country. Husar, can you find anything on what the FDP thinks of this issue? I've been looking and I cannot, and it could well effect my vote.
03-11-2009, 23:09
LittleGrizzly
Re: Dressed in black, school, gun, you get it.
Germany does allow personal gun ownership, but the last time something like this happened it was used to considerably tighten firearm laws. Which, of course, really helped. :rolleyes:
Weren't the guns legally owned ?
My point being if ownership was illegal and assuming the parent followed the law the gun wouldn't have been there for the kid to grab. From there it depends on whether the kid grabbed the gun because it was easily available or whether the kid decided he wanted a gun and just happened to have easy access...
If it wasn't just convenience and he really had decided he wanted a gun then how easy would that be for this kid, and would he have the guts to try (potentially scary people) though seemingly being suicidal the last question could quite possibly have been a yes.
Would this kid really know how and where to get a gun, personally i really wouldn't have a clue. With guns being completely illegal you could hardly walk down the street asking people, would probably need some shady friends to know where to get guns. I know i could get most of the illegal drugs if i tried, but i have never even heard someone mention they know where to get illegal guns, and i have had some pretty shady acquaintances
03-11-2009, 23:29
Fragony
Re: Dressed in black, school, gun, you get it.
Well I got a nice shiny AK47 for you, 275 euro, complete with case, with 50 plus you get a reflex sight along with perks. Guns are not hard to get, I could get you a bazooka or an RPG, not sure about nukes though.
03-11-2009, 23:35
LittleGrizzly
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, 275 euro, with 50
Exchange rate!!
03-11-2009, 23:41
Husar
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Yes, the age old video game argument will arise as well - and will actually be seriously deliberated. I honestly and openly dislike the political class in this country. Husar, can you find anything on what the FDP thinks of this issue? I've been looking and I cannot, and it could well effect my vote.
Nope, only thing I know is a certain bavarian guy from the CSU will want to ban games again. :rolleyes:
Also to update on the actual happenings, the newest I read is the guy shot 8 students in two classrooms, 4 in each, all in all he shot nine students and 3 teachers, then hijacked a car, drove 40km with the car owner amd then dumped him(alive) and the car and went into some industrial area or so.
There he shot three more people in and around a VW car selling place, one employee, one customer and apparently another person(or maybe this person was shot later in the gunfight, not sure here). When he came out the car owner of the car he had hijacked had already informed police so he injured two policemen in a gunfight and got shot in the leg himself, he then shot himself into the head, concluding this episode with 16 dead people total.
the reasons he had seem completely unclear, apparently he played Counterstrike(well, who apart from me doesn't?) but didn't really get into the game too much, he wasn't an introvert, invited people over because his parents had a party cellar etc. his friends cannot explain it, he had finished school, was currently learning a job and was supposed to take over his dad's company later so even i think from what i have read that he doesn't really seem to fit the typical social outcast profile that many other school shooters seem to fit into. :shrug:
I mean his life sounds even better than mine and I'm lightyears away from killing anybody. :sweatdrop:
03-12-2009, 00:00
Fixiwee
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I fail to understand what a link to Vicarious would be doing here.
