Ice, Ice Baby no more!

You remember that right-wing wave that swept over Europe during the last elections?`Well, the results are starting to come in....

Hungary bans Ice-T

Hungary's newly created media board, consisting of 5 members of the ruling conservative party, has sanctioned a private radio station for broadcasting Ice-T's song "It's on", because the song is "adverse affect on the moral development". Oh, and a couple of radio hosts have been fired for airing "one minute of silence" in protest of the new board and media law. Oh, and an investigative journalist has quit because the government forced him to team up with a journalist who is a member of the conservative party.


Yes, conservatives are all about freedom. Or as we say in Hungary, "shut up and conform!!"

We also have time-limits for some content, no porn or extreme violence on tv untill 10 o'bang. This is a bit much though

"a bit"?

This is censoring what those in power doesn't approve of.

Something an authoritarian state does. Rather like Venezuela or Cuba. That this one is Right wing is irrelevant.

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Sadly, I can remember when the airwaves were dominated by the song HT references in his title (not Ice-T, whose music at least attempts something poetic). Nauseating tune. I was very happy that Vanilla Ice proved to be a one-hit wonder.


For this type of censorship, I find myself agreeing with Horetore. The public pressuring a radio station to stop airing a singer or type of music is legitimate, as is the radio station opting not to broadcast something. Government prohibiting it is never a good thing.

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I also agree with Rory. Right-wingers may choose to censor "morally incorrect" broadcasts as opposed to "political opposition" broadcasts by leftist regimes, but it is still authoritarian censorship and the wrong way to go.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

You remember that right-wing wave that swept over Europe during the last elections?`Well, the results are starting to come in....

Hungary bans Ice-T

Hungary's newly created media board, consisting of 5 members of the ruling conservative party, has sanctioned a private radio station for broadcasting Ice-T's song "It's on", because the song is "adverse affect on the moral development". Oh, and a couple of radio hosts have been fired for airing "one minute of silence" in protest of the new board and media law. Oh, and an investigative journalist has quit because the government forced him to team up with a journalist who is a member of the conservative party.


Yes, conservatives are all about freedom. Or as we say in Hungary, "shut up and conform!!"

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that is a stupid comment.

that hungary has elected a right-wing gov't that is distasteful to many in western europe is not in question.

to make blanket correlating statements like this is too "leading", try harder.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

"a bit"?

This is censoring what those in power doesn't approve of.

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Like in Sweden? Not that I aprove but this has little to do with left or right. From what I heard Hungarian media is in a deadlock of the former authorities, but that the commision that says yes or no are all party members is certainly not a good thing

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

You remember that right-wing wave that swept over Europe during the last elections?`Well, the results are starting to come in....

Hungary bans Ice-T

Hungary's newly created media board, consisting of 5 members of the ruling conservative party, has sanctioned a private radio station for broadcasting Ice-T's song "It's on", because the song is "adverse affect on the moral development". Oh, and a couple of radio hosts have been fired for airing "one minute of silence" in protest of the new board and media law. Oh, and an investigative journalist has quit because the government forced him to team up with a journalist who is a member of the conservative party.


Yes, conservatives are all about freedom. Or as we say in Hungary, "shut up and conform!!"

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Oh, come on.

Going from an authoritarian regime that calls itself conservative to "all right wingers are closeted dictators" :rolleyes:

I guess all politicians who slightly tilt to the left are closeted dictators too, because of Stalin ?

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Originally Posted by Andres

Oh, come on.

Going from an authoritarian regime that calls itself conservative to "all right wingers are closeted dictators" :rolleyes:

I guess all politicians who slightly tilt to the left are closeted dictators too, because of Stalin ?

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From now on, I'm going to call every leftie with anti-liberal views "an authoritarian who calls himself leftist".

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

From now on, I'm going to call every leftie with anti-liberal views "an authoritarian who calls himself leftist".

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Better don't they can get really nasty when the ducklings don't march in a straight line

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Better don't they can get really nasty when the ducklings don't march in a straight line

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Don't you mean goslings ?

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Don't you mean goslings ?

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That's just a small group that ruins it for the rest, birds in general are pretty cool. But I still don't think they are above us

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Originally Posted by Fragony

That's just a small group that ruins it for the rest, birds in general are pretty cool. But I still don't think they are above us

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What, even when they are flying?

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Originally Posted by Andres

Oh, come on.

Going from an authoritarian regime that calls itself conservative to "all right wingers are closeted dictators" :rolleyes:

I guess all politicians who slightly tilt to the left are closeted dictators too, because of Stalin ?

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dont try to argue with horetore... you either agree with him or you are a lunatic, liar or a liverpoolfan of some kind

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Originally Posted by alh_p

What, even when they are flying?

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nice catch

you know what they say better one bird in your hand... than 10 up your flyer

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

you know what they say better one bird in your hand... than 10 up your flyer

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I'd rather have 10 in my fryer. Yummmm....

I, for one, think HoreTore is perfectly entitled to his 'told you so' opening post. When rightwing populists, at least national-conservative parties, are voted in - as they are throughout Europe - then this is what you get.


Also, I should like to wish the Hungarian government good luck with halting the Israeli colonisation of Manhattan, Poland and Hungary. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I, for one, think HoreTore is perfectly entitled to his 'told you so' opening post. When rightwing populists, at least national-conservative parties, are voted in - as they are throughout Europe - then this is what you get.


Also, I should like to wish the Hungarian government good luck with halting the Israeli colonisation of Manhattan, Poland and Hungary. :thumbsup:

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You and Horetore should form your own little commie brigade. :)

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Originally Posted by Vuk

You and Horetore should form your own little commie brigade. :)

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No.

1) I myself trancend left or right
2) I only do muscular manly men, sorry HoreTore
3) One can regard politics in either of two ways: A, in a manichean 'left vs right' idea of politics, considering everything in this light. Or, B, based on informed opinion. It is not out of any commie sympathy that I have serious worries about the current Hungarian government, and that I loathe the European national-conservative right in general.


In fact, the Economist, that bastion of European economic liberalism, that is, rightwing for you Americans, fully agrees with HoreTore and even goes one better:

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FIDESZ, a right-wing party, was elected to government in Hungary in April with a stonking majority and a large popular mandate for change following what it saw as eight years of misrule and corruption under the Socialist Party. In office, Fidesz, led by the belligerent prime minister, Viktor Orban, has interpreted this mandate in a liberal fashion, extending state control over independent institutions and appointing party men to roles of authority. With Hungary about to take up the rotating presidency of the European Union, some observers are concerned about what they consider to be a growing trend of assaults on the country's independent centres of power. Our interactive chart chronicles the events of the last eight months.

https://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6264/magyar.jpg
http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...2010/12/fidesz

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Originally Posted by Economist

HUNGARY is under the international spotlight. In January the country takes over the rotating presidency of the European Union. But there is growing alarm about the increasing centralisation of power under the right-wing Fidesz government led by Viktor Orban, Hungary’s pugnacious prime minister.

Fidesz won an unprecedented two-thirds majority in April’s general election. Since then, say its critics, it has embarked on a power grab, taking over almost every independent institution. Pal Schmitt, an emollient former member of the European Parliament, has been appointed to the presidency. A “statement of national co-operation”, to be placed in public buildings, claims that only now has Hungary regained its self-determination, though it has been a democracy for two decades.



Party nominees have been elected to all five seats on a powerful new media council. This supervisory body will have an unparalleled mandate to impose large fines on print, online and broadcast media for such vague transgressions as offending “human dignity”. Its powers are causing alarm. Magazines and newspapers have published blank front pages in protest, and international bodies such as the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe have called for a rethink. The members of the council insist that they will not be pushed around by the government.


The charge sheet does not end there. The constitutional court’s jurisdiction over financial matters has been severely restricted. The government has imposed crisis taxes on banks, energy, telecoms and retail companies, alarming foreign investors. It has raided private pension funds. The fiscal council, which provided independent oversight of the budget, has been scrapped, though it will have a successor.


Opposition politicians and civil-society activists hoping that the forthcoming EU presidency would bring outside pressure to bear on Fidesz have been disappointed. The priority in Brussels is for smooth management over the next six months, not bust-ups over press freedom. The government was elected with a clear mandate for change, comments one senior EU official.
http://www.economist.com/node/177333...ry_id=17733367

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I, for one, think HoreTore is perfectly entitled to his 'told you so' opening post. When rightwing populists, at least national-conservative parties, are voted in - as they are throughout Europe - then this is what you get.

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lol, thank god we have a coalition with the lib-dem's, or i just wouldn't be able to restrain those urgues to round up the jews and gypsies, and god, how i hate those disabled and their communist running dogs; the homosexuals!*



* irony alert for those who missed it.

The TorLiban are destroying everything that's good and just in Britain as if it were ancient 100 meter Buddha statues, but they are not national-conservative.

On their right flank some Tories and some policies approach nationalist-populism, and the Conservatives are the party of choice for a part of the electorate which would vote nationalist-populist in a system with more than two parties. But other than that, Britian is thankfully fully within its tradtion of being firmly aloof of continent-style rightwing populism.

Don't be hating the conservatives! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

lol, thank god we have a coalition with the lib-dem's, or i just wouldn't be able to restrain those urgues to round up the jews and gypsies, and god, how i hate those disabled and their communist running dogs; the homosexuals!*

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No no, Jews were so last century. It would be Arabs and possibly Poles, now-a-days.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

The TorLiban are destroying everything that's good and just in Britain as if it were ancient 100 meter Buddha statues, but they are not national-conservative.

On their right flank some Tories and some policies approach nationalist-populism, and the Conservatives are the party of choice for a part of the electorate which would vote nationalist-populist in a system with more than two parties. But other than that, Britian is thankfully fully within its tradtion of being firmly aloof of continent-style rightwing populism.

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i on the other hand firmly believe that if the coalition does not last its full term then labour will return as will 1970's Britain, only this time we won't have a demographic profile that can pull us back from the brink with a few sensible policies. no, it will be a long and painful decline into Cuba for us.

seems to me that you are splitting hairs, and thus casting aspersions as little to wide of their proper mark, i.e. Fiduz

Word to your censoring government!

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

lol, thank god we have a coalition with the lib-dem's, or i just wouldn't be able to restrain those urgues to round up the jews and gypsies, and god, how i hate those disabled and their communist running dogs; the homosexuals!

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Gypsies, yes....

A group the new Hungarian government hasa their eyes on turning into second class citizens...

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

2) I only do muscular manly men, sorry HoreTore

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WHAT WHAT WHAT????

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Gypsies, yes....

A group the new Hungarian government hasa their eyes on turning into second class citizens...



WHAT WHAT WHAT????

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Do you know what Hore Tore? I am going to say something really unpopular, but nonetheless true. Most Gypsies who I saw when I was in Hungary were total trash. Everything that I have read about their culture reinforces that. They are not raised to take their place in society, but to stick to their ancient ways of living and to leech off of society. If they want to maintain their ancient practices, that is fine, BUT, they cannot do so at the cost of society at large. Personally, I think they need to take them all off of any government help, unless at least one person in their family has held a full time job in the last few years. I also think that they should undertake efforts to break up their communities, crack down on the Gypsy mafia, and try to get them integrated into society. They don't like it? They can go somewhere else. The country is Hungary, and you have to live like a Hungarian.
It is why I was not packing heat when I went over there, I respect their laws and customs, and if you do not, you should not be in their country. Plain and simple. Gypsies are not good Hungarian citizens, and that is the truth.

They are actually poorly treated in Hungary but mostly agreed. Know a few on the camping where a friend of me lives, really friendly and hospitable people, you'll have a blast with them. But they don't seem to understand the concepts 'property' and 'theft' all too much

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Originally Posted by Fragony

They are actually poorly treated in Hungary but mostly agreed. Know a few on the camping where a friend of me lives, really friendly and hospitable people, you'll have a blast with them. But they don't seem to understand the concepts 'property' and 'theft' all too much

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Yes, and that is why I say that they are disruptive to society. One of the people at my school was a half Gypsy and I could tell that people treated her differently, but it is the Gypsies who form their own reputation. You have to obey the law of the land that you are in, that is not too much to ask for.