Ice, Ice Baby no more!

[The Stranger]

you know what they say better one bird in your hand... than 10 up your flyer

[Vladimir]

you know what they say better one bird in your hand... than 10 up your flyer

I'd rather have 10 in my fryer. Yummmm....

[Louis VI the Fat]

I, for one, think HoreTore is perfectly entitled to his 'told you so' opening post. When rightwing populists, at least national-conservative parties, are voted in - as they are throughout Europe - then this is what you get.


Also, I should like to wish the Hungarian government good luck with halting the Israeli colonisation of Manhattan, Poland and Hungary.

[Vuk]

I, for one, think HoreTore is perfectly entitled to his 'told you so' opening post. When rightwing populists, at least national-conservative parties, are voted in - as they are throughout Europe - then this is what you get.


Also, I should like to wish the Hungarian government good luck with halting the Israeli colonisation of Manhattan, Poland and Hungary.

You and Horetore should form your own little commie brigade. :)

[Louis VI the Fat]

You and Horetore should form your own little commie brigade. :)

No.

1) I myself trancend left or right
2) I only do muscular manly men, sorry HoreTore
3) One can regard politics in either of two ways: A, in a manichean 'left vs right' idea of politics, considering everything in this light. Or, B, based on informed opinion. It is not out of any commie sympathy that I have serious worries about the current Hungarian government, and that I loathe the European national-conservative right in general.


In fact, the Economist, that bastion of European economic liberalism, that is, rightwing for you Americans, fully agrees with HoreTore and even goes one better:

FIDESZ, a right-wing party, was elected to government in Hungary in April with a stonking majority and a large popular mandate for change following what it saw as eight years of misrule and corruption under the Socialist Party. In office, Fidesz, led by the belligerent prime minister, Viktor Orban, has interpreted this mandate in a liberal fashion, extending state control over independent institutions and appointing party men to roles of authority. With Hungary about to take up the rotating presidency of the European Union, some observers are concerned about what they consider to be a growing trend of assaults on the country's independent centres of power. Our interactive chart chronicles the events of the last eight months.


http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...2010/12/fidesz

HUNGARY is under the international spotlight. In January the country takes over the rotating presidency of the European Union. But there is growing alarm about the increasing centralisation of power under the right-wing Fidesz government led by Viktor Orban, Hungary’s pugnacious prime minister.

Fidesz won an unprecedented two-thirds majority in April’s general election. Since then, say its critics, it has embarked on a power grab, taking over almost every independent institution. Pal Schmitt, an emollient former member of the European Parliament, has been appointed to the presidency. A “statement of national co-operation”, to be placed in public buildings, claims that only now has Hungary regained its self-determination, though it has been a democracy for two decades.



Party nominees have been elected to all five seats on a powerful new media council. This supervisory body will have an unparalleled mandate to impose large fines on print, online and broadcast media for such vague transgressions as offending “human dignity”. Its powers are causing alarm. Magazines and newspapers have published blank front pages in protest, and international bodies such as the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe have called for a rethink. The members of the council insist that they will not be pushed around by the government.


The charge sheet does not end there. The constitutional court’s jurisdiction over financial matters has been severely restricted. The government has imposed crisis taxes on banks, energy, telecoms and retail companies, alarming foreign investors. It has raided private pension funds. The fiscal council, which provided independent oversight of the budget, has been scrapped, though it will have a successor.


Opposition politicians and civil-society activists hoping that the forthcoming EU presidency would bring outside pressure to bear on Fidesz have been disappointed. The priority in Brussels is for smooth management over the next six months, not bust-ups over press freedom. The government was elected with a clear mandate for change, comments one senior EU official.
http://www.economist.com/node/177333...ry_id=17733367

[Furunculus]

I, for one, think HoreTore is perfectly entitled to his 'told you so' opening post. When rightwing populists, at least national-conservative parties, are voted in - as they are throughout Europe - then this is what you get.

lol, thank god we have a coalition with the lib-dem's, or i just wouldn't be able to restrain those urgues to round up the jews and gypsies, and god, how i hate those disabled and their communist running dogs; the homosexuals!*



* irony alert for those who missed it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

The TorLiban are destroying everything that's good and just in Britain as if it were ancient 100 meter Buddha statues, but they are not national-conservative.

On their right flank some Tories and some policies approach nationalist-populism, and the Conservatives are the party of choice for a part of the electorate which would vote nationalist-populist in a system with more than two parties. But other than that, Britian is thankfully fully within its tradtion of being firmly aloof of continent-style rightwing populism.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Don't be hating the conservatives!

[Furunculus]

The TorLiban are destroying everything that's good and just in Britain as if it were ancient 100 meter Buddha statues, but they are not national-conservative.

On their right flank some Tories and some policies approach nationalist-populism, and the Conservatives are the party of choice for a part of the electorate which would vote nationalist-populist in a system with more than two parties. But other than that, Britian is thankfully fully within its tradtion of being firmly aloof of continent-style rightwing populism.

i on the other hand firmly believe that if the coalition does not last its full term then labour will return as will 1970's Britain, only this time we won't have a demographic profile that can pull us back from the brink with a few sensible policies. no, it will be a long and painful decline into Cuba for us.

seems to me that you are splitting hairs, and thus casting aspersions as little to wide of their proper mark, i.e. Fiduz

[Ronin]

Word to your censoring government!

[Beskar]

lol, thank god we have a coalition with the lib-dem's, or i just wouldn't be able to restrain those urgues to round up the jews and gypsies, and god, how i hate those disabled and their communist running dogs; the homosexuals!*

No no, Jews were so last century. It would be Arabs and possibly Poles, now-a-days.

[HoreTore]

lol, thank god we have a coalition with the lib-dem's, or i just wouldn't be able to restrain those urgues to round up the jews and gypsies, and god, how i hate those disabled and their communist running dogs; the homosexuals!

Gypsies, yes....

A group the new Hungarian government hasa their eyes on turning into second class citizens...

2) I only do muscular manly men, sorry HoreTore

WHAT WHAT WHAT????

[Vuk]

Gypsies, yes....

A group the new Hungarian government hasa their eyes on turning into second class citizens...



WHAT WHAT WHAT????

Do you know what Hore Tore? I am going to say something really unpopular, but nonetheless true. Most Gypsies who I saw when I was in Hungary were total trash. Everything that I have read about their culture reinforces that. They are not raised to take their place in society, but to stick to their ancient ways of living and to leech off of society. If they want to maintain their ancient practices, that is fine, BUT, they cannot do so at the cost of society at large. Personally, I think they need to take them all off of any government help, unless at least one person in their family has held a full time job in the last few years. I also think that they should undertake efforts to break up their communities, crack down on the Gypsy mafia, and try to get them integrated into society. They don't like it? They can go somewhere else. The country is Hungary, and you have to live like a Hungarian.
It is why I was not packing heat when I went over there, I respect their laws and customs, and if you do not, you should not be in their country. Plain and simple. Gypsies are not good Hungarian citizens, and that is the truth.

[Fragony]

They are actually poorly treated in Hungary but mostly agreed. Know a few on the camping where a friend of me lives, really friendly and hospitable people, you'll have a blast with them. But they don't seem to understand the concepts 'property' and 'theft' all too much

[HoreTore]

Do you know what Hore Tore? I am going to say something really unpopular, but nonetheless true. Most Gypsies who I saw when I was in Hungary were total trash. Everything that I have read about their culture reinforces that. They are not raised to take their place in society, but to stick to their ancient ways of living and to leech off of society. If they want to maintain their ancient practices, that is fine, BUT, they cannot do so at the cost of society at large. Personally, I think they need to take them all off of any government help, unless at least one person in their family has held a full time job in the last few years. I also think that they should undertake efforts to break up their communities, crack down on the Gypsy mafia, and try to get them integrated into society. They don't like it? They can go somewhere else. The country is Hungary, and you have to live like a Hungarian.
It is why I was not packing heat when I went over there, I respect their laws and customs, and if you do not, you should not be in their country. Plain and simple. Gypsies are not good Hungarian citizens, and that is the truth.

I am not surprised in the slightest though.

Oh, and the Roma have lived in Hungary for centuries.