Irony in a Chicken Sandwich

It has been three days now, and I still cannot open any of my favorite news aggregators and not read about the Great Chick Fil A Eat for Traditional Marriage rallies across the country. I told myself I would not buy into it, but alas... a thought came to me that I wanted to express.

The rallies did not come about because Mr. Cathy stated that this generation is shaking its fist at the lord and inviting his wrath for changing the definition of marriage. Nor was the genesis the gay activist's backlash against his statements. No, the rallies were the result of a couple of liberal, big city mayors trying to pander to gay people by saying (with absolutely no legal backing) that Chick Fil A was not welcome in 'their' cities.

That was what pissed the Christians off. It was then that Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, and all the other holy rollers decided to act. Since then, the language of persecution has been as thick as that delicious, atrociously unhealthy Chick Fil A honey BBQ sauce. How dare someone try to exclude them, their lifestyle, and their beliefs!

I just want to say to these people, and this is obviously rhetorical, what the flying hell do you think gay people have been fighting for, and what have you been voting against consistently year after year.....? Inclusion.

I get that the Christians don’t like the gays. That’s fine. It’s the victimhood that is so nauseating. They say the most heinous things about people with an unchosen preference, but are themselves incredibly sensitive toward the idea that anyone might not like them because of their chosen beliefs. Welcome to the world you've created for gay people for centuries.

How someone can go to the polls and vote to exclude people from enjoying a privilege that they enjoy and then bitch about the mere idea, however implausible, of Christians being excluded from something is beyond me.

I feel better.

I support gay marriage only on the condition it is FABULOUS.

Also, I'm to drunk, to taste this chicken

I can understand why they are pissed off, it's totally ok to be against gay marriage you are not required to be pro. If someone sabotages your business efforts because you take a stance on something goes way too far. If someone is against it you should just respect that and let them do their thing. Nobody is getting hurt so what's the problem really.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

I just want to say to these people, and this is obviously rhetorical, what the flying fuck do you think gay people have been fighting for, and what have you been voting against consistently year after year.....? Inclusion.

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You can't fight for inclusion. Inclusion comes from acceptance and acceptance comes on an individual, personal level. The politcal arena is not the place for that process, and in this case the people showing that they want to use the political arena have a terrible excuse for sense of sexual morality.

The fact is that christianity is virtually excluded from intellectual circles, and if the intellectual circles can decide social issues through top down legislation, the writing is on the wall. They aren't reacting with this amount of passion out of gay-hatred, but because of the big picture.

You don't think the protests over the trayvon shooting were just about the incident do you?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

The fact is that christianity is virtually excluded from intellectual circles, and if the intellectual circles can decide social issues through top down legislation, the writing is on the wall. They aren't reacting with this amount of passion out of gay-hatred, but because of the big picture.

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The intellectual circles don't decide social issues through top down legislation most of the time. Also, just because the intellectuals exclude Christianity, doesn't make them anti-religion. The "ivory tower" people for the most part advocate for secularism in the sense of a neutrality towards religion. New Atheism is just a fad among youth that need something to rile them up but don't like the various burdens that religious institutions bring.

Christianity in most forms is anti-gay. The Bible is pretty clear and the Catholics even have their direct supposed link to God who has never done anything to state the Bible needs a re-write.

Religion is based on belief which neither has to make sense, nor be PC.

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I don't care about persecuting people for their beliefs. I just don't want the government to do it. City governments saying that they would ban businesses or individuals who run businesses based on the things that they say is unconstitutional and runs against the fundamentals of our democracy and rights. I don't care about the sit ins and boycotts - as far as im concerned individuals have the right to persecute others all they'd like, as long as their actions don't break the law. I am a Christian, many people think my beliefs are stupid, but I believe that we are imbued with a sense of right and wrong as well as a connection with God from birth. You might be gay and many people think that your beliefs are stupid - that you were imbued with an attraction to people of the same gender... from birth. I view the homosexual movement like communism, federalism, capitalism, punk rock, etc. It is just another movement based on people's personal beliefs, most of which are stupid. I also happen to believe that homosexual people are misguided, but that they shouldn't be punished in law for who they diddle on their own time or what they say.

I agree with just about everything you say, but one thing. Homosexual people are not misguided, there is no guide, stupid word that 'misguided' as there is no such thing. For heterosexual persons such as us it is probably very strange that people can be attracted to the same sex or even disgusted by it but that's our problem, not theirs. We should just grow up, not them.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

You can't fight for inclusion. Inclusion comes from acceptance and acceptance comes on an individual, personal level. The politcal arena is not the place for that process, and in this case the people showing that they want to use the political arena have a terrible excuse for sense of sexual morality.

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You can, and many groups who have shared common characteristics and been socially disenfranchised for it have done so.

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The fact is that christianity is virtually excluded from intellectual circles,

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Why do you think that is?

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and if the intellectual circles can decide social issues through top down legislation, the writing is on the wall.

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Obviously that isn't going on.

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They aren't reacting with this amount of passion out of gay-hatred, but because of the big picture.

You don't think the protests over the trayvon shooting were just about the incident do you?

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What is the big picture, apart from a bunch of Christians being persecuted by the gay agenda, getting mad as hell, and deciding they just aren't going to take it anymore? I kind of thought I nailed it in the irony of Christians throwing a hissy fit over the mere idea that they would be excluded, while actively making every effort they can to ensure that gay people are. But I was tired, so maybe I missed it.

The Trayvon protests were just as misguided as these, but they were based in actual feelings of social inequity that had some basis in reality. I cannot imagine a group less persecuted than white Christians, and yet the victim complex seems to be ever growing. What is the bigger picture that I'm missing?

I don't have aproblem with a company head making these statements, as long as his company is not outwardly discriminiating against customers and employees, although I would think it would make a hostile work environment for employees and pave the way for lawsuits. The market will punish this guy, more quickly were it a publicly traded company. This President has shown some true lackluster business skill, especially considering all the pro-emplyee measures the company has taken and being one of the better fast food places to work. To have all that going and throw it away.....

I don't have a problem with people protesting, even though they are using a highly pussified version of what it means to be a hate group, typical of the lefts highly pussified version of what it means to be a racist or a sexist. And even though there is a total contradiction with the left calling people bigots for protesting mosques, when Islam calls for the execution of gay people

I don't have a problem with the left focusing on things like Chic Fil A, while outright ignoring the rash of violent hate crimes in Washington DC, presumably because that raises issues the left does not like to confront: bigotry by minority groups, the presses omition of the race of suspects in crime stories, the fact that a staggering percentage of blacks and latinos are anti-homosexual, and the anger the black community feels with the homosexual "civil rights" movement is compared to that of black
americans.

I don't have a problem with politicians being politicians, and speaking out against a company even though they can have no real effect on the companies decision to locat there, even though it is not their place as mayor to keep commerce out, and even though the mere idea that a Chicago mayor would say Chic Fil A values are not Chicago values is an EFFING LAUGH RIOT considering the atrocious crime rate, poverty rate, and unemployment rate in that city.

What I do have a problem with is this retard, going through a drive thru and berating a teenage girl for where she works. Is this what counts as activism these days?

http://www.businessinsider.com/vante...-for-it-2012-8

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

I don't have aproblem with a company head making these statements, as long as his company is not outwardly discriminiating against customers and employees, although I would think it would make a hostile work environment for employees and pave the way for lawsuits. The market will punish this guy, more quickly were it a publicly traded company. This President has shown some true lackluster business skill, especially considering all the pro-emplyee measures the company has taken and being one of the better fast food places to work. To have all that going and throw it away.....

I don't have a problem with people protesting, even though they are using a highly pussified version of what it means to be a hate group, typical of the lefts highly pussified version of what it means to be a racist or a sexist. And even though there is a total contradiction with the left calling people bigots for protesting mosques, when Islam calls for the execution of gay people

I don't have a problem with the left focusing on things like Chic Fil A, while outright ignoring the rash of violent hate crimes in Washington DC, presumably because that raises issues the left does not like to confront: bigotry by minority groups, the presses omition of the race of suspects in crime stories, the fact that a staggering percentage of blacks and latinos are anti-homosexual, and the anger the black community feels with the homosexual "civil rights" movement is compared to that of black
americans.

I don't have a problem with politicians being politicians, and speaking out against a company even though they can have no real effect on the companies decision to locat there, even though it is not their place as mayor to keep commerce out, and even though the mere idea that a Chicago mayor would say Chic Fil A values are not Chicago values is an EFFING LAUGH RIOT considering the atrocious crime rate, poverty rate, and unemployment rate in that city.

What I do have a problem with is this retard, going through a drive thru and berating a teenage girl for where she works. Is this what counts as activism these days?

http://www.businessinsider.com/vante...-for-it-2012-8

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Excellent points

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

What I do have a problem with is this retard, going through a drive thru and berating a teenage girl for where she works. Is this what counts as activism these days?

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According to a few different sources, that dude got himself fired. And deservedly so.

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LOL he asked a girl who probably makes $8 an hour "how can you live with yourself?"

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

LOL he asked a girl who probably makes $8 an hour "how can you live with yourself?"

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Well, at least he didn't touch her. Chick Fil A helps pay for the intellectual framework that has been built up to support anti-gay hatred. That's the bigger picture here. While screaming at the kids who work the windows is idiotic in the extreme, I do not know how grown up could justify building a career at such an company.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

...I do not know how grown up could justify building a career at such an company.

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I do. Like at any other company, that's how.

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Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

LOL he asked a girl who probably makes $8 an hour "how can you live with yourself?"

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You are looking at closer to $5-6 per hour. The poor girl probably has no choice in the matter at all.

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Originally Posted by Tiaexz

You are looking at closer to $5-6 per hour. The poor girl probably has no choice in the matter at all.

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Federal minimum wage is $7.25. With many states having a higher one. So $8 is about right.

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Federal minimum wage is $7.25. With many states having a higher one. So $8 is about right.

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Must have gone up since I last checked, but isn't it less for being in the service industry anyway, in the same league as waitresses and pizza delivery, where they are meant to make up the other half in tips.

Was thinking about the old $5.15 per hour minimum wage with the $2.15 for the service industry/"tipped" employees.

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Originally Posted by rvg

I do. Like at any other company, that's how.

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My company is obsessed with this PC garbage. I don't support them or their business practices - they are an ethical vacuum company which backs this nonsense while persecuting employees with health problems with plan increases that rival or exceed annual increases. They donate their employee's money to selected "charities" and claim the tax and PR benefits for themselves. They have the audacity to suggest that they contribute any money to the fund. Their match merely covers the taxes saved by using their people's income pre tax and saving their own contribution, so it doesn't cost them 1 penny and they get credit for it. Disgusting. They just recently fired a seriously disabled man after he worked there for 40 years just because they could. Companies serve a purpose, but giving them any moral high ground or low ground is nonsense, they are amoral money earner who would kill you and sell you for parts if they could get away with it. But they create jobs, so we try to harness their evil powers for good.

I don't like companies preaching to me one way or the other. They can stuff it. They have no authority.

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Federal minimum wage is $7.25. With many states having a higher one. So $8 is about right.

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Is that after taxed? That sounds really low anyhow

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Is that after taxed? That sounds really low anyhow

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Before tax. 7.25 is really only livable if your single and lucky enough to get full time hours.

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Originally Posted by Tuuvi

Before tax. 7.25 is really only livable if your single and lucky enough to get full time hours.

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Pretty much. If you work 40 hour weeks on $7.25 for let's say 50 weeks out of the year, you make $14,500 a year. (11,700 Euros).

In the continuous 48 states the poverty line for a single individual is estimated at $11,170. So you better hope that your federal and state taxes don't take more than a combined 23% of your income or you are officially in poverty.

Of course this also doesn't take into account the wildly different cost of living between say California and say, South Dakota.

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Originally Posted by Tuuvi

Before tax. 7.25 is really only livable if your single and lucky enough to get full time hours.

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Ouch. You aren't very good at quid pro quo over there.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

The real killer is that you just can't find full-time work at minimum wage in this economy. Some people, sure, but for most it is simply unavailable. What really sucks is when you try to do 2 minimum wage jobs at the same time, and they both insist that you be on call (something that is also, sadly, quite standard these days).

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This is why you get an education.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

The real killer is that you just can't find full-time work at minimum wage in this economy. Some people, sure, but for most it is simply unavailable. What really sucks is when you try to do 2 minimum wage jobs at the same time, and they both insist that you be on call (something that is also, sadly, quite standard these days).

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Yea, a lot people my age that I know and work with that aren't going to school have to take two jobs in order to support themselves. Another downside of working two low paying jobs is if your workplaces decide to up your hours you get stuck working overtime but without overtime pay, and sometimes you end up working 16 hour days. Not fun.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

What really, really sucks is when you're working 2 minimum-wage jobs that require you to be on-call and you're trying to persue an education in your meager off-time at a local community college.

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Yes I would agree that sucks. I'd suggest cutting it down to one job and taking out a little more if loans so you don't lose your mind.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

The real killer is that you just can't find full-time work at minimum wage in this economy. Some people, sure, but for most it is simply unavailable. What really sucks is when you try to do 2 minimum wage jobs at the same time, and they both insist that you be on call (something that is also, sadly, quite standard these days).

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You can absolutelily live from a minimum wage here, including an annual holiday if you are smart about it. You get all sorts of benefits, you can basicly keep all your money if you are in the lower tiers of society.

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Originally Posted by Ice

Yes I would agree that sucks. I'd suggest cutting it down to one job and taking out a little more if loans so you don't lose your mind.

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I'd probably suggest getting the first boat out of the USA. =P

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

Well, at least he didn't touch her. Chick Fil A helps pay for the intellectual framework that has been built up to support anti-gay hatred. That's the bigger picture here. While screaming at the kids who work the windows is idiotic in the extreme, I do not know how grown up could justify building a career at such an company.

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Just wow. You know nothing about that girl, her plans, or what it is like to work a crappy, low wage job to have to survive. Congrats. If people only worked for companies where their views jived with the owners views 100%, we would not have many employed people.

I find this line of thinking amusing coming from you. Cathy is doing nothing illegal, and organizations having unsavory agendas is nothing new in this country. No one is advocating violence, although it appears that you are trying to make that llink with your gay bashing story above. The story doesn't give a description of the attacker BTW, and we all know what that is secret code for.

Is this the same PJ from the drug testing thread? I confuse.