Irony in a Chicken Sandwich

[PanzerJaeger]

LOL he asked a girl who probably makes $8 an hour "how can you live with yourself?"

Well, at least he didn't touch her. Chick Fil A helps pay for the intellectual framework that has been built up to support anti-gay hatred. That's the bigger picture here. While screaming at the kids who work the windows is idiotic in the extreme, I do not know how grown up could justify building a career at such an company.

[rvg]

...I do not know how grown up could justify building a career at such an company.

I do. Like at any other company, that's how.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I do. Like at any other company, that's how.

My company is obsessed with this PC garbage. I don't support them or their business practices - they are an ethical vacuum company which backs this nonsense while persecuting employees with health problems with plan increases that rival or exceed annual increases. They donate their employee's money to selected "charities" and claim the tax and PR benefits for themselves. They have the audacity to suggest that they contribute any money to the fund. Their match merely covers the taxes saved by using their people's income pre tax and saving their own contribution, so it doesn't cost them 1 penny and they get credit for it. Disgusting. They just recently fired a seriously disabled man after he worked there for 40 years just because they could. Companies serve a purpose, but giving them any moral high ground or low ground is nonsense, they are amoral money earner who would kill you and sell you for parts if they could get away with it. But they create jobs, so we try to harness their evil powers for good.

I don't like companies preaching to me one way or the other. They can stuff it. They have no authority.

[Major Robert Dump]

Well, at least he didn't touch her. Chick Fil A helps pay for the intellectual framework that has been built up to support anti-gay hatred. That's the bigger picture here. While screaming at the kids who work the windows is idiotic in the extreme, I do not know how grown up could justify building a career at such an company.

Just wow. You know nothing about that girl, her plans, or what it is like to work a crappy, low wage job to have to survive. Congrats. If people only worked for companies where their views jived with the owners views 100%, we would not have many employed people.

I find this line of thinking amusing coming from you. Cathy is doing nothing illegal, and organizations having unsavory agendas is nothing new in this country. No one is advocating violence, although it appears that you are trying to make that llink with your gay bashing story above. The story doesn't give a description of the attacker BTW, and we all know what that is secret code for.

Is this the same PJ from the drug testing thread? I confuse.

[Fragony]

Just wow. You know nothing about that girl, her plans, or what it is like to work a crappy, low wage job to have to survive. Congrats. If people only worked for companies where their views jived with the owners views 100%, we would not have many employed people.

I find this line of thinking amusing coming from you. Cathy is doing nothing illegal, and organizations having unsavory agendas is nothing new in this country. No one is advocating violence, although it appears that you are trying to make that llink with your gay bashing story above. The story doesn't give a description of the attacker BTW, and we all know what that is secret code for.

Is this the same PJ from the drug testing thread? I confuse.

But what the hell anyway, I hope they are proud about themselves, nice, way to go.

[Strike For The South]

Yea, a lot people my age that I know and work with that aren't going to school have to take two jobs in order to support themselves. Another downside of working two low paying jobs is if your workplaces decide to up your hours you get stuck working overtime but without overtime pay, and sometimes you end up working 16 hour days. Not fun.

This is illegal in Texas. If it's illegal here, it's illegal everywhere else. Allot of you guys seem content to take a good old fashioned raping. You have more power than you think.

Just wow. You know nothing about that girl, her plans, or what it is like to work a crappy, low wage job to have to survive. Congrats. If people only worked for companies where their views jived with the owners views 100%, we would not have many employed people.

I find this line of thinking amusing coming from you. Cathy is doing nothing illegal, and organizations having unsavory agendas is nothing new in this country. No one is advocating violence, although it appears that you are trying to make that llink with your gay bashing story above. The story doesn't give a description of the attacker BTW, and we all know what that is secret code for.

Is this the same PJ from the drug testing thread? I confuse.

Exactly. I'm sure that girl is there because she needs to be. I love the great disconnect when the people from the ivory tower come and mingle when the common folk. Leaving a job because of moral reasons is a sliding scale and one old southeners opinion on gay rights would not even move my needle.

I work for people who hold the same views as Cathy. I don't care, its a backwater belief to be sure, but their opinion on gay marriage has nothing to do with me completing my job in a safe, legal, or ethical manner.

Sometimes buisness requries you to work with some people you may not square with. But unless you are Richard Branson or George Clooney, you dont get to set your own rules.

[Lemur]

Sometimes buisness requries you to work with some people you may not square with.

Not to get overly philosophical, but this is one of the defining characteristics of humankind and civilization; the ability to organize and cooperate with people we don't much like.

(I would wax poetic, but I'm balancing a screaming baby and typing one-handed.)

[PanzerJaeger]

Just wow. You know nothing about that girl, her plans, or what it is like to work a crappy, low wage job to have to survive. Congrats. If people only worked for companies where their views jived with the owners views 100%, we would not have many employed people.

I find this line of thinking amusing coming from you. Cathy is doing nothing illegal, and organizations having unsavory agendas is nothing new in this country. No one is advocating violence, although it appears that you are trying to make that llink with your gay bashing story above. The story doesn't give a description of the attacker BTW, and we all know what that is secret code for.

Is this the same PJ from the drug testing thread? I confuse.

You obviously missed the part where I said it was idiotic to harass the kids working at Chick Fil A. I am not attempting to defend the actions of the guy in your video, only to give some perspective on why Chick Fil A elicits such emotion from gay people and their supporters. It has nothing to do with Mr. Cathy's opinions, but his actions. Chick Fil A donates to hate groups. You may call them 'pussified', but that only demonstrates that you have no flowershaped clue what you are talking about on this issue. I won't even bother with all the anti-gay rhetoric or legislation that they lobby for in the United States, because that's just for pussies. How about their donation in 2009 to Exodus International, which later that year traveled to Uganda to tell the stupid Africans that gay people were destroying their families. The result? The widely condemned 'Kill the Gays' bill. Well, it wasn't completely condemned. The Chick Fil A sponsored Family Research Council lobbied Congress against approving a resolution denouncing Uganda's plan to execute homosexuals. If you don't think that there is a clear link between these groups and the anti-gay violence that is so common in this country and around the world, you are either deluding yourself or you love eating flowershaped meringues. After reading your wonderful posts for years, I'll assume it is the former. When you tell a bunch of idiotic Christian zealots that gay people are 'vile, pawns of the enemy', that they are immoral, that they are terrorists, and that the blood of US Marines is on their hands, most will be content to applaud because they are pussies who understand such comments are just an adult version of playground name calling. There will always be those few warriors for Christ who actually believe what they are being told, however. And if you believe all the things that Chick Fil A supported hate groups say about gay people, why wouldn't you want to hurt them? It's called 'incitement to violence', by the way.

No, I'm sorry, this is not about working for someone with different opinions than your own, or 'the ability to organize and cooperate with people we don't much like'. What Chick Fil A does is not normal corporate lobbying. Very few corporations give any money toward social issues, and even fewer donate directly to hate groups. Their activities go so far beyond a 'principled stance on marriage' (LOL) that the assertion of such is patently ridiculous.

[Fragony]

They don't imho

[rvg]

You obviously missed the part where I said it was idiotic to harass the kids working at Chick Fil A. I am not attempting to defend the actions of the guy in your video, only to give some perspective on why Chick Fil A elicits such emotion from gay people and their supporters. It has nothing to do with Mr. Cathy's opinions, but his actions. Chick Fil A donates to hate groups. You may call them 'pussified', but that only demonstrates that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about on this issue. I won't even bother with all the anti-gay rhetoric or legislation that they lobby for in the United States, because that's just for pussies. How about their donation in 2009 to Exodus International, which later that year traveled to Uganda to tell the stupid Africans that gay people were destroying their families. The result? The widely condemned 'Kill the Gays' bill. Well, it wasn't completely condemned. The Chick Fil A sponsored Family Research Council lobbied Congress against approving a resolution denouncing Uganda's plan to execute homosexuals. If you don't think that there is a clear link between these groups and the anti-gay violence that is so common in this country and around the world, you are either deluding yourself or you are a fucking moron. After reading your wonderful posts for years, I'll assume it is the former. When you tell a bunch of idiotic Christian zealots that gay people are 'vile, pawns of the enemy', that they are immoral, that they are terrorists, and that the blood of US Marines is on their hands, most will be content to applaud because they are pussies who understand such comments are just an adult version of playground name calling. There will always be those few warriors for Christ who actually believe what they are being told, however. And if you believe all the things that Chick Fil A supported hate groups say about gay people, why wouldn't you want to hurt them? It's called 'incitement to violence', by the way.

No, I'm sorry, this is not about working for someone with different opinions than your own, or 'the ability to organize and cooperate with people we don't much like'. What Chick Fil A does is not normal corporate lobbying. Very few corporations give any money toward social issues, and even fewer donate directly to hate groups. Their activities go so far beyond a 'principled stance on marriage' (LOL) that the assertion of such is patently ridiculous.

Mhm, aren't we just full of self-righteousness... yeah, it's practically bursting out.

Here's a quote from Exodus International website:
"We will not support any legislation that deprives others of life and dignity based on their sexual orientation or the expression of such within the confines of a consensual adult relationship. Finally, we stand with the LGBT community both in spirit, and when necessary, legally and physically, when violence rears it’s head in Uganda, Jamaica or anywhere else in the world."

Kill the gays my ass.

[PanzerJaeger]

Did you actually just quote the statement the organization put out after its well documented involvement in the 'Kill the Gays' bill was brought to light? Yes, because when an organization comes under pressure over something it has done, the press release that follows is entirely accurate and truthful. I can believe that MRD is misinformed on this issue, but you... One Tribesy for you!

[Beskar]

Did you actually just quote the statement the organization put out after its well documented involvement in the 'Kill the Gays' bill was brought to light? Yes, because when an organization comes under pressure over something it has done, the press release that follows is entirely accurate and truthful. I can believe that MRD is misinformed on this issue, but you... One Tribesy for you!

It is because in standing for the rights of LBGT citizens, you are now a member of the liberal pinko commie socialist club by those on the right of the spectrum. Welcome

Kidding aside, the reality is, both you and MRD both have good points and I feel you misunderstood him.

Profits from Chick Fil A have gone into anti-LBGT legislation, that is a fact. However, MRD was pointing out the fact that most employees of Chick Fil A have no employment prospect and especially the situation at the moment in America it is very difficult to find work, so people usually grab the nearest thing to employment, get paid ridiculously low wages and toll away just so they have some money to put food on the table. Majority of these people do not have the opportunity or choice of working elsewhere.

[rvg]

Did you actually just quote the statement the organization put out after its well documented involvement in the 'Kill the Gays' bill was brought to light? Yes, because when an organization comes under pressure over something it has done, the press release that follows is entirely accurate and truthful. I can believe that MRD is misinformed on this issue, but you... One Tribesy for you!

Can you prove otherwise?

[PanzerJaeger]

Profits from Chick Fil A have gone into anti-LBGT legislation, that is a fact. However, MRD was pointing out the fact that most employees of Chick Fil A have no employment prospect and especially the situation at the moment in America it is very difficult to find work, so people usually grab the nearest thing to employment, get paid ridiculously low wages and toll away just so they have some money to put food on the table. Majority of these people do not have the opportunity or choice of working elsewhere.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat that I was not refering to the minimum wage kids that sling their greasy slop. My first post on the matter clearly refered to 'middle management' and above. Those people do have other options.

Can you prove otherwise?

As I said, it is well documented.

For two days in early March 2009, Ugandans flocked to the Kampala Triangle Hotel for the Family Life Network's "Seminar on Exposing the Homosexuals' Agenda." The seminar's very title revealed its claim: LGBT people and activists are engaged in a well thought-out plan to take over the world. The U.S. culture wars had come to Africa with a vengeance.

To put on the conference, the Uganda-based Family Life Network – led by Stephen Langa with the goal of "restoring" traditional family values and morals in Uganda – teamed with two U.S. hatemongers from the Christian Right, Holocaust revisionist Scott Lively and Dan Schmierer of the ex-gay group Exodus International.[1] Vocal opposition in international circles did not stop the country's high profile religious leaders, parliamentarians, police officers, teachers, and concerned parents from attending. Indeed, parliamentary action to wage war on gays was on the conference agenda. It was not enough that homosexuality is illegal in Uganda. As someone stated from the podium,

[The parliament] feels it is necessary to draft a new law that deals comprehensively with the issue of homosexuality and …takes into account the international gay agenda….Right now there is a proposal that a new law be drafted.[2]

The unsuspecting audience heard Lively promote his book, The Pink Swastika, and his argument that not only are gays seeking to take over the world, but they also threaten society by causing higher rates of divorce, child abuse, and HIV/AIDS. Legalizing homosexuality is on par with accepting "molestation of children or having sex with animals," he said. As Lively puts it, LGBT issues cannot be considered human rights issues. "The people coming to Africa now and advancing the idea that human rights serves the homosexual interests are absolutely wrong," he said. "Many of them are outright liars and they are manipulating history; they are manipulating facts in order to push their political agenda." Lively even tarred abortion rights as "a product of the gay philosophy" meant to promote sexual promiscuity in order to "destroy the family." In sum, he warned, U.S. homosexuals are out to recruit young people into homosexual lifestyles so they must be stopped.

[Major Robert Dump]

You obviously missed the part where I said it was idiotic to harass the kids working at Chick Fil A. I am not attempting to defend the actions of the guy in your video, only to give some perspective on why Chick Fil A elicits such emotion from gay people and their supporters. It has nothing to do with Mr. Cathy's opinions, but his actions. Chick Fil A donates to hate groups. You may call them 'pussified', but that only demonstrates that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about on this issue. I won't even bother with all the anti-gay rhetoric or legislation that they lobby for in the United States, because that's just for pussies. How about their donation in 2009 to Exodus International, which later that year traveled to Uganda to tell the stupid Africans that gay people were destroying their families. The result? The widely condemned 'Kill the Gays' bill. Well, it wasn't completely condemned. The Chick Fil A sponsored Family Research Council lobbied Congress against approving a resolution denouncing Uganda's plan to execute homosexuals. If you don't think that there is a clear link between these groups and the anti-gay violence that is so common in this country and around the world, you are either deluding yourself or you are a fucking moron. After reading your wonderful posts for years, I'll assume it is the former. When you tell a bunch of idiotic Christian zealots that gay people are 'vile, pawns of the enemy', that they are immoral, that they are terrorists, and that the blood of US Marines is on their hands, most will be content to applaud because they are pussies who understand such comments are just an adult version of playground name calling. There will always be those few warriors for Christ who actually believe what they are being told, however. And if you believe all the things that Chick Fil A supported hate groups say about gay people, why wouldn't you want to hurt them? It's called 'incitement to violence', by the way.

No, I'm sorry, this is not about working for someone with different opinions than your own, or 'the ability to organize and cooperate with people we don't much like'. What Chick Fil A does is not normal corporate lobbying. Very few corporations give any money toward social issues, and even fewer donate directly to hate groups. Their activities go so far beyond a 'principled stance on marriage' (LOL) that the assertion of such is patently ridiculous.

My response was to your comments that you do not see how any grown up could choose a career at Chic Fil A. Not everyone can afford to walk away from employment because their bosses politics appalls them. If that were the case, we would lose 50% of our federal workers every four years. I happen to find mass scale financial crimes and cheats just as appalling as people who advocate the discrimination against others, because of the far reaching and permanent effects it has on people's lives and the future of the country, but I would never belittle someone for toiling awayfor Bank Of America or AIG, no matter how many lives they have destroyed. I do, however, refuse tot ake insurance cases from AIG because I can afford to.

The oringinal gay violence story you linked had nothing to do with Chic Fil A or the christian organizations. You may think it does, just like Fallout 3 made that guy shoot up the movie theater. Go ahead and make the connection if you want. Of course there are Americans who listen to these groups and act on their impulses, just like there are plenty of people who are anti-gay but not the least bit religious. Just like there are people who do things so idiotic and stupid we constantly walk a fine line of having or thoughts policed and our freedoms skimmed because we have to protect the masses from the savage few.

Regarding their activities in foriegn countries, with people who are ignorant, illiterate and superstitiously religious: Appalling isn't it? Just like so many of the other things US companies, political groups and the government itself supports. I am curious where this passion of yours was when we had ROEs in Iraq that advocated shooting anyone with a cell phone after an IED exploded, when we put people in jail for a non violent drug crime, when we bombed the civilians in Belgrade to avoid fighting the Serbs on the battlefield, and when we gave corporations the rights of a human being to buy and sell US poloiticians at their whim? I dunno, maybe the passion is there and I just missed it.

I am well aware of the garbage this organization puts out and the things they support, and would never associate with them. And I have said time and time again that Cathy is an idiot, and would never survive if he had share holders.

Nothing I saw on Tony Perkins list of quotes was all that worse than the crap spewed back and forth between the parties and their pundits, to include the stuff about the military. Typical American loudmouth. Carry on.

So this guy is supporting hate groups by proxy. Nothing new here. I seem to recall there were Republican congressmen who were ddeply involved with the Kill The Gay Ugandans issue, yet they continue to serve in office. Why aren't you attacking the people who voted for Jim Inhofe?

You seem to think I am completely unaware of what is going on and a "flowershaped meringue" when in fact the only thing I took issue with was your disdain for someone's choice of employment in a period of 9% unemployment and the worst economy of our life. So I will leave you to it.

[Papewaio]

Gentlemen. Please shake hands, look each other in the eye and play nicely.

Just don't shake hands at chicken fill a as they might get the wrong idea and try and beat you to death with a drumstick.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Gentlemen. Please shake hands, look each other in the eye and play nicely.

Just don't shake hands at chicken fill a as they might get the wrong idea and try and beat you to death with a drumstick.

NO U! WHY DONT YOU TAKE THE CHICKEN AND EAT SUCH THAT THE 8 DOLLARS BECOMES OPPRESSIVE???