Israel's Plan for its Arab citizens

We all know the plan Israel has for the occupied territories: crush, starve, isolate, destroy. But what about the 1.5 million Arabs who have Israeli citizenship? Hmm.. I suppose they need to find ways to either strip them of that citizenship or make their lives not worth living in Israel.

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At a cabinet meeting on Sunday, Netanyahu told his interior minister to examine ways to strip of citizenship anyone who "acted against the state" or attacked the police.

The next day,#Netanyahu told demonstrators to leave Israel and "move to the Palestinian Authority or Gaza".

His comments have consciously blurred the distinction between the legitimate anger unleashed by Hamdan's killing and the spate of recent attacks by Palestinians from the occupied territories on Israelis in Jerusalem, the West Bank and Tel Aviv.#Dangerously, Netanyahu has implied that they are all part of the same "terrorism".

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Al Jazeera - The transfer of Israeli Arabs

Stripping citizenship should always be possible in case of terrorists but stripping citizinship from protesters even if they were agressive goes way too far. Bit hysterical to call protesting, rightfully or not, terrorism.

Wow. If even Fragony thinks it's too extreme... That's scary ;)

Europe can take them, the UN can assign a country to them somewhere in the UK, Wales for example.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Europe can take them, the UN can assign a country to them somewhere in the UK, Wales for example.

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Nah, easier to put them in germany and call the locals nazis if they complain.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Nah, easier to put them in germany and call the locals nazis if they complain.

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How about the Malvinas/Falklands? Turn them into Palestine and end that dispute once and for all.

And restart the penguin wars? We're still digging up the landmines from the great sheep incursion.

Actually they can have it. Let the argies bitch about someone else for once.

Why don't we actually send all the annoying muslim immigrants to Israel and receive the resulting, more worthwhile, jewish refugees? It would certainly solve two problems with one stone.

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Originally Posted by rickinator9

Why don't we actually send all the annoying muslim immigrants to Israel and receive the resulting, more worthwhile, jewish refugees? It would certainly solve two problems with one stone.

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You need to explain:
a) why jewish refugeees are "more worthwhile"
b) why you think the jews would willingly leave the land they consider themselves to have the god-given right to own

Current location and Israeli identity are fused now....too much blood and treasure spent. The only way they will leave is the way used by the Romans 19 centuries or so back. Crush them, kill them in job lots, force them to leave at weapon point or in chains. Some form of power sharing may happen instead, but a departure from their promised land? Not gonna happen.

Europe won't bleed for the Palestinians and more than they will bleed for Ukrainians, and much of Europe already treats Israel as a pariah state. So what the heck else is gonna happen? Only major change left would be to de-couple the US and Israel and Israel is long past the point at which they need our help to survive.

Seamus - us Europeans tend to see problems as complex and subtle. We don't generally stampede in thinking we know what to do, and leave behind a total mess (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan).

I think Seamus is right, and wrong.
Israeli's are not going to leave except as a result of annihilation; too much blood/treasure and, the residents are residents of the land now.
I don't think Israel is "long past the point" of needing US support. Economic and military support-too valuable to do without; veto in Security Council-priceless.

What might happen is if the US-Israel relations break down, they might turn to Putin for support. And I have a feeling that Putin would be happy to oblige.

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Originally Posted by Idaho

Seamus - us Europeans tend to see problems as complex and subtle. We don't generally stampede in thinking we know what to do, and leave behind a total mess (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan).

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I could make an argument that all three of the examples cited were problems enacted by complex and subtle Europeans....but I will defer as your real posting goal was a classic "tag" directed at we "jingoist" yanks.

You, did, however, miss the point of my post.

I was not and would not call for some sweeping pogrom. I simply said that anything less will not budge Israel, nor do the last 50 years of pariah status seem to be making much of a dent. What route for a negotiated end to this conflict do you see? As a conflict scholar I have been looking at this one for 25+ years and do not see one short of union in the face of extra-terrestrial attack.

Hop, I would agree that UN cover has been and remains the greatest service the USA does for Israel -- I simply don't class it as survival level in importance. Love them, hate them or not give a hoot, Israel isn't going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Idaho

Seamus - us Europeans tend to see problems as complex and subtle. We don't generally stampede in thinking we know what to do, and leave behind a total mess (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan).

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I didn't know you were a comedian, or did it escape you that the existence of Israel as a state is because of European's making a mess of things.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

I could make an argument that all three of the examples cited were problems enacted by complex and subtle Europeans....but I will defer as your real posting goal was a classic "tag" directed at we "jingoist" yanks.

You, did, however, miss the point of my post.

I was not and would not call for some sweeping pogrom. I simply said that anything less will not budge Israel, nor do the last 50 years of pariah status seem to be making much of a dent. What route for a negotiated end to this conflict do you see? As a conflict scholar I have been looking at this one for 25+ years and do not see one short of union in the face of extra-terrestrial attack.

Hop, I would agree that UN cover has been and remains the greatest service the USA does for Israel -- I simply don't class it as survival level in importance. Love them, hate them or not give a hoot, Israel isn't going anywhere.

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While it is treated like a Pariah it has never been sanctioned - that is the one form of rebuke Europe might consider and would hurt Israel considerable - especially if the US can be persuaded to join in...

I dont see it ever happening personally - the US wouldn't play along and Europe doesn't care that much...

Europe already hurted the jewish people considerably. And they still do by giving money to the second richest terrorist organisation in the world,an organisation that isn't all that secretive about what they have in mind for the jewish people.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Europe already hurted the jewish people considerably. And they still do by giving money to the second richest terrorist organisation in the world,an organisation that isn't all that secretive about what they have in mind for the jewish people.

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The disney company?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Europe already hurted the jewish people considerably. And they still do by giving money to the second richest terrorist organisation in the world,an organisation that isn't all that secretive about what they have in mind for the jewish people.

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Dont play that card - Israel is a state not a religion.

Sanctioning Israel would not be an act against the "Jewish people" but an act against a brutal regime that happens to be predominantly Jewish.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

The disney company?

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I don't know. IS is the richest, next comes Hamas. Feel free to google. Let's give them more money to kill jews wherever they are.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

Dont play that card - Israel is a state not a religion.

Sanctioning Israel would not be an act against the "Jewish people" but an act against a brutal regime that happens to be predominantly Jewish.

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Do you really believe that. It has everything to do with them being Jewish. The left has never changed since Hitler, yes, he was extreme left, Israel is just a safer channel for inherent antisemitism. Capitalism/Jews, there is a reason the left and islamists get along sooooooo very well. The (extreme) left and the islamists are the nazi's of our time.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Do you really believe that. It has everything to do with them being Jewish. The left has never changed since Hitler, yes, he was extreme left, Israel is just a safer channel for inherent antisemitism. Capitalism/Jews, there is a reason the left and islamists get along sooooooo very well. The (extreme) left and the islamists are the nazi's of our time.

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Do some berate Israel because they are Jewish - yes, sadly Anti Semitism does still exist

Do Anti Semites make up the Majority of Anti Israel movements in the West - no, not by a long shot

I oppose Israel for the same reason I oppose Assad - they are a brutal regime that indiscriminately target civilians in order to destroy a terrorist minority - I don't care what their religion happens to be

Also Hitler "far left" - you do know what the Nazis did to communists yes? The Nazi party were a right leaning party with some Socialist policies - describing them as far left is utterly bonkers.

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

Also Hitler "far left" - you do know what the Nazis did to communists yes? The Nazi party were a right leaning party with some Socialist policies - describing them as far left is utterly bonkers.

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No it isn't, Hitler was a leftie, come to terms with it. He was a racist, which the (extreme) left also is today. Getting absolutily nuts about Israel while IS is sooooo much worse. United in silence.

Not jews.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

No it isn't, Hitler was a leftie, come to terms with it. He was a racist, which the (extreme) left also is today. Getting absolutily nuts about Israel while IS is sooooo much worse. United in silence.

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Who is being Silent about IS? they are all over the news and finding any non Islamist organisation which supports them will be a tough.

We hold Israel to higher standard because we expect them to behave better than Terrorist organisations

As to Hitler http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...saying-he-was/

Give Fragony time. Just a couple of years ago, he believed that Hitler wasn't an anti-Semite.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Give Fragony time. Just a couple of years ago, he believed that Hitler wasn't an anti-Semite.

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Show me.

Some do though, Sebastian Haffner thinks of it as the greatest robbery ever, and Hitler needed the money for his expantion, could have mentioned him.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

No it isn't, Hitler was a leftie, come to terms with it. He was a racist, which the (extreme) left also is today. Getting absolutily nuts about Israel while IS is sooooo much worse. United in silence.

Not jews.

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Ugh, not that one again.

Let's compare women's rights. It increased during Mao. It increased during Stalin. That about the same the time when the US choosed to delay their first person in space because it would've been a woman. Equal oppression if you like, since they were very much oppressors.

It decreased during Hitler. And Mossulini, and Franco. Nonequal oppressors.

The reason for that is fundamentally different starting drives. Some drives are indeed shared between facists and communists, but anarchists, libertarians and laissez faire also share drives, and they're somewhat different to eachother.

The left liked Israel a lot more when they were the underdog (left always give a bonus liking to the underdog) and didn't occupy a people.

So Hitler was an extreme leftist because he was racist?

Welcome to the extreme left, Frags!

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

So Hitler was an extreme leftist because he was racist?

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Nope, he was a racist extreme leftist.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Nope, he was a racist extreme leftist.

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In what sense was he a leftist?