Mon amis mon chevalier! Forget everything bad I ever said about you! Now can we please team up and retake belgium? You can have Brussels ~:cheers: Best news on a monaymorning since espresso in those handy little cups!
viva la revolution!
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Mon amis mon chevalier! Forget everything bad I ever said about you! Now can we please team up and retake belgium? You can have Brussels ~:cheers: Best news on a monaymorning since espresso in those handy little cups!
viva la revolution!
A sad day :(
How big is the consitution?
Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?
Does it improve human rights and freedoms in the EU?
Or better still would it turn the EU into a sweatshop so we Aussies can get cheap t-shirts ~D
It is huge, the actual important bits are not that long, but they decided to add in all the previous treaties in the eu's history.. So it is huge. Over 150 pages.
You cannot understand it easily, it is written in very convoluted english, but you are able to grasp most of it - I have read some but blimey, I am never gonna get round to (or want to) reading all of it.
It does improve human rights, freedoms and social progression. It solidifies the existing legislation for instance and has more provision along the same lines, which now are likely to be severely watered down if it is negotiated again.
And no unfortunately for you it doesn't turn the EU into a sweatshop. :p
Bigger then the constitution of the individual countries, brussels could have enforced whatever the hell pleased her. Yeah you could protest (they did not have to listen) if you managed to find 1.000.000 people, they know damn well that decisions affect individual nations and that finding 1.000.000 is near impossible. It was a coup d'etat and the french saw that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Its a sad day when I like French sentiment over German on an issue. :embarassed:
Anyway, congrats guys, you did well today. You'll be seen as a leader when the whole thing starts tumbling. :bow:
About 12 cm, but it has shrunk since yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Depends on your intelligence and strength of character.Quote:
Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?
Not now, it doesn't. But I tend to think it would have done so.Quote:
Does it improve human rights and freedoms in the EU?
We don't trade with Australia pal, it's not worth it. We send our tourists there, a bit like in the old days eh?Quote:
Or better still would it turn the EU into a sweatshop so we Aussies can get cheap t-shirts ~D
~D
Sorry PJ, but that does show how little you know of the situation over here. It is France which has been the 'leader' in the EU process for the WHOLE TIME. Because of this vote they are now weaker than ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Why also would you want the situation to start 'tumbling', that makes no sense.
What shitty brochure have you been reading this time? Under this Constitution the Heads of State would take all the important policy decision by unanimity, and 'Brussels' would carry them out only is as much as the individual countries couldn't do so their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Of course not! That's 1 million people on 470 citizens. They can file a petition, but that's all. Do you really think 1 million signatures under a petition should be sufficient mandate to change European laws?Quote:
Yeah you could protest (they did not have to listen) if you managed to find 1.000.000 people
A coup d'etat of Tony Blair, Giscard D'Etaing and Jean-Claude Juncker?Quote:
It was a coup d'etat and the french saw that.
Jean-Claude who?
Yeah rrright. ~:cool:
Bloody well said Adrian.
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Originally Posted by Fragony
No, veto right still existed in the 'council of ministers' , which means they can do very little without the individual nations ' permissions.
I think the Bolkenstein directive was evil though, a clear case of the commission exceeding its delegated authority. That more than anything killed the constitution.
The 1million people weren't about the right to protest, if 1million signed a petition it would force the commission/parliament to 'look' at it., and try to implent it. You can always protest, write to your member of parliament, your own parliament, the commission, and if it's really serious you could go to the Justice office in luxemburg.
You can try, it will give us an excuse to finally take the rest of the Schelde. We still produce some of the best weapons in the world.Quote:
Mon amis mon chevalier! Forget everything bad I ever said about you! Now can we please team up and retake belgium? You can have Brussels.
What shitty brochure have you been reading this time? Under this Constitution the Heads of State would take all the important policy decision by unanimity, and 'Brussels' would carry them out only is as much as the individual countries couldn't do so their own.
'Couldn't do so theirselve', read as shut up and listen. It would be impossible to reject a european law, now we can still do that. Last time the european leaders made an unanimous decision we got the pleuro.
Of course not! That's 1 million people on 470 citizens. They can file a petition, but that's all. Do you really think 1 million signatures under a petition should be sufficient mandate to change European laws?
Then why is it in it?
Jean-Claude who?
Van Dramme?
Ok that was a bit much but you know how I love to overdo it.
Hmmm you got a point. If I join you guys instead, do I get one of these sexy P90's?Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
The Euro is a policy which in the long term is very advantageous for everyone, when it works we will all feel the benefits in terms of trade - well providing my country jons of course. :|
Common, isn't that a bit hysterical?
The French voted against this new constitution. But that is the risk of a democracy. And they did not vote against Europe. I think they just want to clearify some open issues first.
And France will lead the European unification together with Germany and the Low Countries, as it alwasy did.
God save Old Europe ~:cheers:
Sure, but our army doesn't usually kill people though, it's a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Unless you can join a UN mission of course ~D
Yeah, a sad day for europe. But it was very naiv to think that the constitution could be passed by 25 states without problems. I hope there is a plan B.
Oo. Looks like the constitution got
http://www.iceteks.com/forums/upload...iopwnedjpg.jpg
PWNED!
*ahem*
Don't you guys just love France? ~D
At least the British and the French can agree on something. They have agreed that they won't agree, but that they cannot agree to disagree here.
It appears that two wrongs do make a right, but for the wrong reasons...
More importantly, you can vote.Quote:
The 1million people weren't about the right to protest, if 1million signed a petition it would force the commission/parliament to 'look' at it., and try to implent it. You can always protest, write to your member of parliament, your own parliament, the commission, and if it's really serious you could go to the Justice office in luxemburg.
Hmm, I'm wondering whether those who voted no understand their current constitution.Quote:
Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?
the french said not to to the consitution and they are the most enthusiastic about Europe...
Oh well another dead treaty.
Europe is a coalition, not a superstate.
Landverrader! ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
But, seriously, methinks the Frenchies were a bit confused.
"Mais... non! C'était un referendum? Je croyais que c'était été des élections nationals!"
~Wiz
That would explain the aggresive tone of the rest of your answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Not my strength of character as it is not my consitution. I think an intelligent choice is to never say yes to something you do not understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
An intelligent group of leaders of character should have been able to make a constitution that was legible, prose worthy and inspiring. To make a documentation that apparently reads like a video manual is not an inspiring feat.
Using pal in that context is normally seen as quite aggresive.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
So do you deny that Australian goods are sold in EU like wine and wool?
Hehe, i dont believe in a united Europe. There are more people than you think who are against this. As this vote shows, dont assume anything. :bow:Quote:
Sorry PJ, but that does show how little you know of the situation over here. It is France which has been the 'leader' in the EU process for the WHOLE TIME. Because of this vote they are now weaker than ever.
Why also would you want the situation to start 'tumbling', that makes no sense.
Couldn't have said it better myself. As a reward to france, I will refrain from setting off fireworks near the Franco-German border on the Fourth of July this year (where I will be near the Franco-German boarder) and singing "God Bless America" and "Die Panzerlied."Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Viva La France!
Most Americans are against it, since they believe one super power is enough......Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
It's not really a constitution, just a summary of all the treaties made before. Rejecting it is like asking for exiting the union.
So is the advantage from quantity or quality?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Hehe it has nothing to do with that. Germany can be strong on her own, as well as France, ect.Quote:
Most Americans are against it, since they believe one super power is enough......