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By this will they be having rectangular one or the more oval ones like in RTR 6.0. Or will there be a slow progression to the scutum style ones? I dont know whats historically accurate for the tie period but i like the rectangular ones they look more 'roman' my legions just dont feel the same in RTR. (im not trying to make this a comparison thread btw just using the shields in RTR as the other example).
found two screenshots of them in the lost art of keepping a secret thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by manbaps
early legionari
http://img135.echo.cx/my.php?image=19ac1.jpg
late:
http://img139.echo.cx/my.php?image=17lw.jpg
hope this awnsers your post.
do remind these probably are WIP's
So what sort of date did the romans start using scutums (is that the right name for rectangular shields) was it after the marian reforms or some time after? Things like the testudo rely on the shape and as equpiment was standardised in roman armies i wouldnt have thought it was gradual.
The scutum was the Roman name given to all shields that covered most of the body, and had a slight curve to them. It was a design evolution from the flat, oval Celctic shields and was widespread in Italy in the period Rome was rising to power.
Historically, the legions from the early Republic to the early Empire were equipped with the oval Scutum, and it shall be so in EB as well. The square scutum falls mostly outside of the time period, and I can't say 100% if it will be included in the mod as of yet.
Those screenshots are relativley old, and a lot of progress has been made as well. I dare say the legions look really bad ass now ~:)
Just wait and you'll see!
AFAIK scutum is just the latin word for "shield", (It's just become associated with that certain type since it's by far the most famous Roman shield) and the earliest forms of the late Roman legionary (Wearing lorica segmentata and carrying a rectangular shield) evolved towards the end of the first century BC, many decades after the Marian reforms.
Edit: Argh, Seydlitz beat me to the punch.
look at herets is a mod byromeheus wh's saring roman units with eb for screens:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=50355
So im no big historian but does that not mean CA got it like over 100 years wrong introducing rectangular scutums with the marian reforms? Though having said that they look better than the oval type ones but i guess EB wants to be historically acurate and having them in with a finish date of AD16 seems unlikely.
CA isn't the bastion of historical accuracy - they merely give the facade of such.Quote:
Originally Posted by manbaps
I don't think you have to be a big historian to notice some of the "fantasy history" features of vanilla. hrrr....egyptQuote:
Originally Posted by manbaps
On that same note they also had the armor of legionaries apear before they did actually. Not to mention Onagers...well this list could get long and I'm no expert.
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ohh yeah.. i'm waiting for someone to say:"CA isnt that bad"..so i can post another of my 'heretic' pics ~;)
http://www.viljoen.za.org/stake.jpg
burn the heretic! see what i mean? ~:joker:
you'll be waiting verry long then or there are verry strange people out there :p
(rare jongens die protestanten :p, niet da'k katholiek ben)
well. 3 days ago (or so) somebody posted he liked the demo....you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
I know I've read it, the poor guy ~:joker:
yeah. indeed...it was sad..almost to the abokasee-level...
well, dont egadurate..nothing comes that close.
well have you ever seen that dutch guy who's alway at the eb forums, jer...hihi yeah your right nothing comes that close...hihiQuote:
Originally Posted by jerby
(woops! :p. plaag,plaag, sorry maar dit kon ik gewoon niet laten liggen ~;) ).
~:cheers: :bow: ~:cheers:
yeah..i know..Quote:
Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
i just got EB in my favorites..i come home: check mail, check 2 more forums..and this one..
but, luckiliy enough. school starts tommorrow ( NO, I'm not 12!! ~;) )
No, you're not. But, do you realize that at my age, I could actually have grown TWO jerbies from scratch? You kids make me feel old: I have a PC in a box that is older than you... (PC 8086 12MHz 512 kb RAM, 1x4'25 floppy disk, no HD, CGA 16 colors, B&W screen... 1987). ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jerby
your not?! ~:eek: :dizzy2: ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jerby
well EB is in my favourites to, so are you saying I behave like a twelve year old!? ~;)
nah! your a nice phal, you should come and drink a real beer over here.
~:cheers:
are you saying heineken isnt nice?
Finally!!!!
http://www.viljoen.za.org/stake.jpg
burn heretic, burn!!!
~:flip out:
~;)
dutch guy really are funny, I mean he's even shocked that Heiniken is bad or he's verry good actor...I mean Heineken! ~D
That I must agree with you...the beer in Belgium is top quality. I also like the chocolate...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
:weirdthread:
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One thing: Canadian Beer...'Nuff said.
clearly my friends, you have not yet travelled to australia. everyone knows australians are the very gods of beer drinking. until you drink tooheys new, you can not truly call yourself a beer drinker.
Stella Artois man here... ~;)
Here He..*ick*Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jones
Stella Artois for me too.
Guiness!!!
I like me the stout
Thunderbolt(a local made in India 16% proof Beer) Rocks- :charge:
Though I am partial to a well made Radler.(The Radler is a normal Munich Helles or a pilsner-style beer such as Zipfer mixed with 1/2 lemon-lime soda).
~:cheers:
come on guy's don't be foolish evrybody knows Belgium is the country of beer then you've got Germany or Australia.
yes Artois is good but I prefer a good old Duvel. (typical belgium beer)
(all those threads over here are getting quite of topic)
This thread is running for the "Most OT thread of the year"...
I'll contribute...
I like Leffe a lot, strong and very tasty, belgian beer is not for everyone.
Stella Artois is great, tasteful, a classic.
Guiness is also one of my favorites.
When it's hot I like something lighter like a japonese Sapporo.
But nowadays I'm especially found of Weiss beer. Erdinger being my current favorite. It's just awesome. If you never tried it, do it. It will change your life I promise. ~:cool:
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