Modern democratic communism.
My definition of this stupid thing called the EU. Yours? :juggle2:
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Modern democratic communism.
My definition of this stupid thing called the EU. Yours? :juggle2:
The Future.:2thumbsup:
HMM democratic communism which is paying polish farmers for not working :2thumbsup:
A debate club for bureaucratic P-U-$-$-I-E-$.
An attempt to make every country in Europe French.
A great idea, poorly executed.
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An attempt to make every country in Europe French.
An attempt to make every country in Europe civilised.:frog:
An attempt to swindle me out of my hard earned cash to forever disappear into a murky financial black hole to line EU appointees pockets.
Sounds about right.Quote:
A great idea, poorly executed.
The European Onion is a classic example of politicians being unable to trust the voters.
As an economic policy, it was inevitable. As a political union, it has great potential to demonstrate diversity of culture does not mean constant war. But it has to be a confederacy based on democracy, not bureacracy.
Devolve power to the lowest practical level (away from the nation state towards the people) and strip away the meddling bureaucrats and quasi-governmental institutions, and we might just have something worthy of a constitution.
A good idea poorly execute sounds about right.
As for me, national governments should be replaced by a sistem of governors (1 of each nationality, appointed to any other country), and a truly central european government.
This could probably make the politicians open their eyes on other countries worries/problems/difficulties and potential, thus governing for all the european people instead of just for themselfs (its wishful thinking i know.....).
A good way to isolate the British on their stinking island :p
Europes precurser to there own Majlis as-Shura.
An attempt to make every country in Europe French.
Identity Melting Pot.
Somewhere We Are Forced But Never Belong To.
Cheap Democracy Stickers (revised version 2.0).
I see the current European Union structure much like the early Articles of Confederation of the early United States. A good idea, but lacks proper direction and structure to be successful.
An idiotic confederacy that is doomed to go the same way as all of the other confederacy's.
Thats precisely what comes to mind when I think of the EU. The way it seems to be working the EU is almost identicle to the Articles of Confederation. Kind of curious if it will take near civil war to get it to work though. From what I've heard on this board, the French seem to be egging on the arguments.Quote:
Originally posted by Redleg
I see the current European Union structure much like the early Articles of Confederation of the early United States. A good idea, but lacks proper direction and structure to be successful.
Without a strong central government unions are always doomed to fail. The EU's authority has no bite, and when your trying to unite countries that have been waring against each other for centuries it wont work. If the EU ever starts to look like a real entity the governmental structure will more then likely mimic the USA's federal republic. Seeing as becoming more like the USA would be the bane of France and alot of other countries over there at this current time I doubt the EU will last much longer.
Fedral goverments are the bane of human excitince.
The biggest problem with the EU is that nobody defends but everyone is willing to blame it.
When something good comes out of it every politician try’s to take credit for him or his party.
When something bad happens it’s always the EU who’s to blame.
No wonder negative thoughts arise.
I’m not saying mistakes haven’t been made, I’m not saying it doesn’t need a lot of work.
But be reasonable and look beyond the obvious.
If the EU fails every country in it will go with it sooner or later.
We just can’t compete if we don’t unite!
And remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day.
I consider the European Union as one of the hardest schemes man has ever attempted.
To bring so many cultures, nationalities, languages, borders,… together isn’t something you do lightly.
Plus, if so many different people with so different ideas can unite under on concept.
Maybe, just maybe we proof we can live amongst each other without the endless fighting for petty differences.
Be patience and help the construction of this great and noble undertaking.
In the long run it will payoff.
This is very true, but pleas remember that you can’t compare the EU with the USA.Quote:
Originally posted by Redleg
I see the current European Union structure much like the early Articles of Confederation of the early United States. A good idea, but lacks proper direction and structure to be successful.
Al these countries have gone trough centuries of development.
Every single nation has established it own ideas and believes “long ago”.
The biggest problem is we have to unite without the loss of certain traditions, believes or specific privileges.
Sure, some will have to do a lot of water in their wine.
The question is, is everybody willing enough to discard certain things for a greater cause?
Actually the EU project can't be compared with anything in the past. That's why there are so different views regarding which path should be taken, no historical examples exist. Rather, the EU itself will set a precedent for all similar future attempts. It's been already mentioned as a model for latin american integration during the Cuzco Summit (with a timeline which actually focuses around 2020 heh).
I wouldn't support the notion that the EU is a well defined idea that has gone astray in its implementation, because there were simply no certain plans, only broad strokes about some basic steps that at some point would lead to a federation/confederation. I 'd say that when refering to the EU, one should keep in mind that it's a constant process, not a condition. After all the EU is just the sum of its members.
I should add:
To bring so many cultures, nationalities, languages, borders,… together Peacefully isn’t something you do lightly.
Upxl, I thank you to save me to write that, with more talent that I have. EU started in order to make peace in a continent which never had a so long peaceful period, thank to EU. Development of Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Spain are on the credit of E.U after suffering years of dictatorships. Not as vassals, but as partners. And it is new under the sky.
I should prefer a Federation than a Confederation, but I know the obstacles, languages, States prerogatives, foreign policy etc. However, I think a Constitution, minimal but on the basic agreed values, I think like the one of the U.S of A, adapted to the old continent should be a plus. Not like the one proposed last year, this was too constraining. Or perhaps my idea of the US constitution is wrong.
The EU is the way we remain relative and important in international relations - we being the EU nations - while strenghening and improving the lives of every member of it. Without the EU every nation would be lost and insignificant, not to mention worse off.
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Originally Posted by Upxl
Wasn't comparing Europe with the United States. Just the closest past description that I know of that somewhat models what is going on with the EU at this time.
Its weak comparsion but as you noted there are some similarities that bring it as a relative comparsion for the discussion.
Now I know you have an advanced sense of humour. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Was that cut and pasted from the New Labour website? :inquisitive:
the great civilisation suicide club
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Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Sorry, but fail to see the amusing part in this?
Brenus, I thank you to add important matters which I have forgotten.:bow:
EU: What happens when you bypass the democratic stage of voting for your leaders and put the civil servants in charge. It is a self-serving bureaucratic entity that in a bizarre way gives EU members a third entity to blame on their inability to get along. This dissipation of mutual hatred to a third party means that in effect the EU bureaucracy acts as a heatsink more then a place of intellectual strategy.
A Social Experiment (much like the rest).Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
Bigger does not make it better. Local control rather than global.