Glory?

Something I just noticed last night: in my Spanish campaign, I've completed all 3 crusades that have been called in this game. I urged the Pope to call a crusade against Toulouse, as the French had been excommunicated, but I had an army within one normal turn marching distance when I did. Someone else suggested the second crusade against Antioch, but as I came by ship and everyone else marched overland through Byzantium, I got there first. The third crusade was against Jerusalem, and I already had Antioch and Acre, so they had no chance. The thing is what happened afterwards.

I noticed that cities that were in crises of public order suddenly were not. I looked at the city status of Antioch (which was blue prior) and notice a 15% public order bonus due to "Glory". I thought this might be akin to the "Wonder" bonus in RTW, where you got a 20% global bonus to public order on the turn you captured one of the 7 Wonders, but that would reduce 5% per turn until it was gone. However, it's been 6-7 turns since then and it hasn't reduced at all. Has anyone else noticed this? Do you get a permanent 5% public order bonus due to glory for each crusade or jihad you successfully complete? I'm going to be calling more crusades, all over the middle east, if so.

I noticed the glory bonus last night as well. I believe it lessened for me after a couple of turns though. If you find a way to keep it maxed out, more power to you!

I fought 3 crusades in the east, taking jerusalem, antioch and acre, the general who led all of them was a living saint and a grand crusader and any number of other good things. even when not in a city i could maintain minimal garrisons and continue to carve out an eastern empire. i noted the glory bonus and the effects of religion seemed to be lessened, he finally died of old age, and lo and behold, antioch and jerusalem immediately revolt...

i can only assume that 'Glory' might be related to a single character, and when he dies, you lose the bonus

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Originally Posted by cassiusdio

I fought 3 crusades in the east, taking jerusalem, antioch and acre, the general who led all of them was a living saint and a grand crusader and any number of other good things. even when not in a city i could maintain minimal garrisons and continue to carve out an eastern empire. i noted the glory bonus and the effects of religion seemed to be lessened, he finally died of old age, and lo and behold, antioch and jerusalem immediately revolt...

i can only assume that 'Glory' might be related to a single character, and when he dies, you lose the bonus

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If that's true, you lose it gradually. The prince I sent on my Crusade was killed during the castle assault (let me tell you how happy I was about that). I still got a massive glory bonus (in all of my provinces), but I'm pretty sure it's slowly diminishing.

My own experiences tell me it is an expiring bonus for the entire faction and not slaved to a character. After a number of turns it is gone, while the crusader general can still be alive.

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Originally Posted by Quillan

Something I just noticed last night: in my Spanish campaign, I've completed all 3 crusades that have been called in this game. I urged the Pope to call a crusade against Toulouse, as the French had been excommunicated, but I had an army within one normal turn marching distance when I did. Someone else suggested the second crusade against Antioch, but as I came by ship and everyone else marched overland through Byzantium, I got there first. The third crusade was against Jerusalem, and I already had Antioch and Acre, so they had no chance. The thing is what happened afterwards.

I noticed that cities that were in crises of public order suddenly were not. I looked at the city status of Antioch (which was blue prior) and notice a 15% public order bonus due to "Glory". I thought this might be akin to the "Wonder" bonus in RTW, where you got a 20% global bonus to public order on the turn you captured one of the 7 Wonders, but that would reduce 5% per turn until it was gone. However, it's been 6-7 turns since then and it hasn't reduced at all. Has anyone else noticed this? Do you get a permanent 5% public order bonus due to glory for each crusade or jihad you successfully complete? I'm going to be calling more crusades, all over the middle east, if so.

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I noticed this tonight.

After I restarted my Turk campaign (ARRGHH!), a lot wiser from the last attempt. I started a Jihad on Antioch, the army led by Crown Price TuTUSH the Determined Beaver, was already assembled outside the gates of Antioch.

Declared Jihad, Joined Jihad, Spies opened the gates, Assault, Sack & Capture. Jihad over in one turn.

Then while I was surveying the cities I noticed the glory bonus. It dissipates over time, perhaps 5 turns or so. I did not pay attention to the time it takes to dissipates. It is very useful as it allows you to build non public order buildings in those turns when the bonus is applied.

Another neat little bonus.

I've seen the triumph bonus twice, after both of my successful crusades. It seems to stay on longer than the wonder captured bonus in RTW.

I'm bumping this one up. The general who completed the third crusade in this campaign - Esteban the Chivalrous - was only 3 turns from his coming of age when he captured Jerusalem, meaning he displayed as 17 years old. I'm playing 1 year per turn, and he's 30 now. Even assuming he just turned 30 this past turn, 25 turns (years) have passed since the completion of the crusade, and the glory bonus is still 15% empire wide.

Let's keep an eye on this one if you guys can remember it. I'm really wondering if this is permanent, temporary but long duration, tied to the victorious general's life, or perhaps temporary but duration increases the more you earn.

Wow, that's a good bonus. Keeping an eye on it now, just did a Jihad.

I got a 10% glory bonus in my Egyptian campaign without joining or calling a Jihad {I ignored the only one called thus far - I moded the game to 6 months per turn and it's something like 1112 - as it was against a Buzantine city and I didn't want to lose trade for an isolated city} , without any big war {the Turks tried once but made it obvious there hearts weren't in it and it ended almost as soon as it began} and thus by only taking rebel settlements .

I think certain cities contribute to the bonus {Constantinople might be one ?} and Jerusalem is certainly one city that was {and is} very important to all three major faiths in the game .

Is this glory bonus linked to holding certain cities or to having special ancillaries for king/prince etc?

In my Egyptian campaign I took Jerusalem in around 6 turns, and noticed a 15% Glory bonus in all my cities. Its now turn 122, and I still have that bonus in all my cities and castles.

I believe if you capture one of your target cities/castles then you get this bonus for the rest of the game.

Discovering the New World gave me 30% Glory. I had not had any Glory before that.

I can simply say : WOW

after seeing vassalship actualy give you profit, this is another realy good news, and make the game deeper that i though!

on topic, i just made 2 winning crusades, and i discovered a conquered the NEW World, and i have 15% Glory bonus... My second crusade leader is still alive, while the first one died long time ago. 10 or so turns have passed since last crusade and 100+ since i discovered news world...
Now this are my dates, i hope we will be able to find how this works :)

Jerusalem or whatever target city your faction has will give a 15% Glory bonus. It was also there a lot longer than merely the crusade one.

Isnt there also Triumph after crusade?

I have also seen the glory icon apear in 3 cities but i havent managed to understand how it comes up.I play as the byzantines so no crusades or jihads

Hmm i'm not sure it dissipates, after 8 or so crusades, I still have a seemingly permanently 15% glory bonus in all my cities.
But then I call a crusade each time it becomes available, so maybe its linked to that.

Playing as France I noticed a glory bonus of 15% after conquering Jerusalem, I'll check if its still there tonight.

I'm thinking Scipio has the right of it. I noticed it right after I took Jerusalem. I've owned Jerusalem for 100 or so turns now, and that glory bonus still exists.

Ok, 2 different bonuses.

Truimph: Occurs after a successful Crusade or Jihad, expires at 5% per turn thereafter.

Glory: Occurs after a glory condition has been met, last as long as that condition is met.

Now in my current game I hold Constantinople as Turks but no glory bonus, ofc that city is a glory goal i.e you have to hold it with Jerusalem to win.

Another bug ?

This glory bonus is very handy, the 15% bonus in all my settlements is really helping by allowing me to lower garrisons and/or raise taxes. I am still on my first long campaign, but knowing this I will be making the Glory target one of my first priorities next game.

As Spain I only got the glory bonus after taking Jerusalem, even though my victory conditions also required me to hold Granada. I also thought Granada was in America for some lame reason. Then the victory screen popped up and I realized it was much closer to home...

Did you get the glory bonus when you took Granada ? (there is a Granada in America as well, not in game though)

Reason I'm asking is I'm thinking maybe I have to take Jerusalem too before it kicks.

Nope, no glory bonus for Granada. Jerusalem (and Constantinople) seem to be the primary glory-givers.

Ok. Egys are gonna bite the dust.

Hmm something's wrong though I should be getting glory bonus for Constantinople. I knda need it as well, been warring non stop, need a breather for the economy to catch up.

Turks need to hold Constantinople and Jerusalem right? I think only the more "difficult" of the two counts for glory. Check your victory conditions.