My problem with burnout..

Hey all,

I'm currently having trouble sticking with one faction for a number of reasons. Firstly, I can't stand playing any barbarian faction... I can't figure myself leading an army of barbs and their silly warcries.. AMEEENOOO BAROOOoooo

I think the issue is that factions get old after a few dozen turns. I mean, the Romans have reforms that refresh the player experience after awhile, whilst playing a Hellenic faction you can have access to the best units within maybe a hundred turns... and then have the same units for the entire length of the mod.

At the same time, Eastern factions have to traverse such huge distances (I've tried playing Bactria, but it's soooo far from one city to the other that it makes it kind of slow sometimes, that and the little icons copied straight off of Alexander the movie that make me think, mmkay)

Any tips on a faction to try? I've been playing mostly KH, and Epeiros (for some reason the Maks don't inspire me as much.. must be the black color that turns me off) I'm also terribly afraid of playing passively, then having 5-10 stacks of barbs to face every turn.. help!

This aint a rant, I love this mod (i think its pretty obvious) I just want to know how I can put more sense into a faction once I get all the units they offer and start fighting Seleucia which is impossible to defeat.

Best,

BB

Try Pahlava, whit its cavalery armies its not that far. And if you decide to raide a more populated area like Anatolia, whit such armies you can jum from a city to a city befor the enemy knows what hapend.

And the Aedui, Arveni and Casse have reforms as well. Although their still static.

I don't get these kinds of topics.

You are in luck my friend...https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...61&postcount=9

Alternatively, for this individual case, I recommend to play Rome or Carthage.

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Originally Posted by Brightblade

Hey all,

I'm currently having trouble sticking with one faction for a number of reasons. Firstly, I can't stand playing any barbarian faction... I can't figure myself leading an army of barbs and their silly warcries.. AMEEENOOO BAROOOoooo

I think the issue is that factions get old after a few dozen turns. I mean, the Romans have reforms that refresh the player experience after awhile, whilst playing a Hellenic faction you can have access to the best units within maybe a hundred turns... and then have the same units for the entire length of the mod.

At the same time, Eastern factions have to traverse such huge distances (I've tried playing Bactria, but it's soooo far from one city to the other that it makes it kind of slow sometimes, that and the little icons copied straight off of Alexander the movie that make me think, mmkay)

Any tips on a faction to try? I've been playing mostly KH, and Epeiros (for some reason the Maks don't inspire me as much.. must be the black color that turns me off) I'm also terribly afraid of playing passively, then having 5-10 stacks of barbs to face every turn.. help!

This aint a rant, I love this mod (i think its pretty obvious) I just want to know how I can put more sense into a faction once I get all the units they offer and start fighting Seleucia which is impossible to defeat.

Best,

BB

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You can't stand the Gallic and yet you don't mind the Greek? I mean come on! "Tho-me-la-peela-keststra-tet-AH HOOOO!!!:laugh4:
Well I'd recommend Epieros but they get kinda boring after awhile. I've never tried the steppe factions excluding Parthia so maybe you can give them a shot?

try to role-play as a realistic nation for a change.

I auto_win a lot of battles, this way they don't get redundant. I only fight the ones that are going to be a challenge, or fun or interesting.

Hit the end turn button. Don't spend too long micromanaging all your cities. When your empire gets big, this can take forever, and you end up losing the character development part of the game, which is really great in this mod.

Try Carthage. I'm having a blast with them now, and have in the past. The are pretty complete and have very diverse traits for their generals. but the best part is the use of merc armies.

i personally have in my army as follows:

This is my "base" army which i build upon.
1 General (based on amount of influence because it's all politics)
(maybe 1 young general protege)
2-3 spear men (liby-Phoenician or just liby)
2 heavy spear men (liby-Phoenician or just liby)
1 citizen militia (not for battle, just for the town garrison)
and then the fun begins...

This is my "outsourced" which builds upon my "base".
maybe 2 numidian skirmishers or maybe 2 peltasts
Iberian or Greek or Carthaginian calvary
maybe some Gallic troops?
maybe some sick Iberian assault troops or scrutarii?
Italian spear men?
elephants or catapults?

man i am having fun just imagining my crazy diverse armies! (i...must...go..play..yes Eb, master, I am coming!)

I do try to keep my armies around 1000 men or less. (on large)

I disband all mercs before sailing back to Carthage. I never keep them, they are mercs right?

it really matters where my army is geographically, They deploy from Carthage with just the base army and then i utilize any merc troops i can scrounge up on site. It seems this is what happened historically.


This way every battle is unique. when playing as other factions my armies always followed a historical plan so every battle was the same and predictable.


I have to use different tactics each time. It keeps the game very exciting. I can role play a bit with it,too. With Carthage i role play as merchant politicians who sometimes have to do the dirty work of battle. because the populace of Carthage was not willing to fight as much as other factions i use as few native troops as possible and "outsource" my armies as much as possible. I just can't stand to see my people die in battle when i could pay other people to do it!

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Originally Posted by The Celt

You can't stand the Gallic and yet you don't mind the Greek? I mean come on! "Tho-me-la-peela-keststra-tet-AH HOOOO!!!:laugh4:
Well I'd recommend Epieros but they get kinda boring after awhile. I've never tried the steppe factions excluding Parthia so maybe you can give them a shot?

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or Phalangitai DeuterTOOOOYYYY!!! :laugh4:

I have to say that Saka Rauka is quite fun and I'm basing my AAR on it (Shamless self promotion :beam:) but the calvary make it quite easy to conquer those distances

Play Seluecia, Ptolemies or Pontos and you'll meet the (excellent) Jewish spearmen with the horrid sing-song unit call.

Iudaeos!

EWW-DIE-OHHHHSSS!

*shudder*

Hehe, thanks for the tips guys. WHat do you mean you never get these posts? Im just interested in what other people try to get off one faction and make sure it doesn't get dull in the long term which seems to be the problem..

Thanks again

Sorry, I should have been more polite. Pretty rough time.

Personally I've enjoyed every faction I've tried without much effort. Only thing I can recommend is to take it slowly. I usually built up my money reserves, armies and infrastructure (without too many money-boosting things such as mines) for quite a while before launching a campaign with fixed generals and goals. After that, the process started again in new areas. Doing this allows the AI time to develop while creating a nice feeling of taking generals on proper campaigns.

I like the stuff form the movie alexander i think its cool!:yes: I do agree with Geoffrey, I ran thought this game twice and was like uh but if u take it slow, keep ur family a managible size its really the BEST GAME EVER:2thumbsup:

Well, pretty much the same goes for me, the pathetic AI has finally beaten my resolve, and roleplaying and using house rules that make no sense, like letting the AI build up while I sink in the red, is just not my style, so I don't think I will be playing any RTW mods until a major release of either RTR of EB, that manages to make the game more challenging.

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Originally Posted by Tiberius Nero

Well, pretty much the same goes for me, the pathetic AI has finally beaten my resolve, and roleplaying and using house rules that make no sense, like letting the AI build up while I sink in the red, is just not my style, so I don't think I will be playing any RTW mods until a major release of either RTR of EB, that manages to make the game more challenging.

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Thats the thing, they Can't, all they can do is give bonuses like money or genreal bonuses... the AI is Hardcoded, meaning that its impossible for them to change it.

Erm, I know, I am in a modding team myself. :p

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Originally Posted by sgsandor

I like the stuff form the movie alexander i think its cool!:yes: I do agree with Geoffrey, I ran thought this game twice and was like uh but if u take it slow, keep ur family a managible size its really the BEST GAME EVER:2thumbsup:

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the thing with ''taking it slow'' is that soon there will be about 45678 AI stacks appearing at your well-managed doorstep :laugh4:
For me, it's worse getting to a point where losing battles and units no longer affects neither you or the AI (both can just go and recruit twice as more, in the AI case it also includes all merc troops), so you just fight 10 meaningless full-stack battles each turn *shudder*

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Originally Posted by blank

the thing with ''taking it slow'' is that soon there will be about 45678 AI stacks appearing at your well-managed doorstep :laugh4:
For me, it's worse getting to a point where losing battles and units no longer affects neither you or the AI (both can just go and recruit twice as more, in the AI case it also includes all merc troops), so you just fight 10 meaningless full-stack battles each turn *shudder*

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Try one of the new moneyscripts. No more AI stack spamming. Thank God!

The way to avoid this is fighting different factions, in my Sauromatae campaign I reached 201 and now I am close to raiding all remaining large and huge cities of the Seleucids and cripple their military production.
I also finished off the Saka and Baktria is entrenched in 2 full-stacked cities.
And now my invasion into Thrace and the Getai lands(now owned by Macedon who pushed the Getai north and west into Sweboz territories.
The Aedui almost finished off the Sweboz but as soon as I allied with them the Lusotana and Romani started a full out attack on them (seems that if you ally with someone they're marked for death by the other AI factions).
This turned into an AAR...
Anyway to avoid burnout try fighting varied factions or play 2-3 campaigns in parallel with different factions in different places of the world.

These are pretty much my rules for my Roman campaigns.

- Never, /ever/ attack anyone, Rebels included, without severe and strong reason.

- Try to keep a treasury under 100k.

- Never have an army(as in, let's say more than 400-500 men on huge unit settings) led by anyone other than a general(family member)

- Always have two family members in each settlement. Always keep 'wasteful'/'worthless'/'training' family members in Rome.

- I currently have two legions. One(Legio III Etruria) quartered in the north, near the border between Arretium and Bononia. The other is quartered just south of Rome, near Capua(Legio I Latium).

- Base your armies on the following models.

Half Legion:

- 1 General
- 1 General or Cavalry Unit
- 1 Hastati
- 1 Principe
- 1 Triarii
- 1 Leves
- 1 Italian Unit or Mercenary Unit


Legion:

- 1 General
- 1 General
- 2 Hastati
- 2 Principe
- 2 Triarii
- 2 Leves
- 1 Italian Unit
- 1 Mercenary Unit
- 1 Cavalry Unit(Equites, Allies, or Mercenary)


- Try to build up the factions around you by offering them cash, real estate(if they are truly in need of it) or have factions that were Rome's historical enemies destroyed early on. This has translated in me offering the Seleucids some 15-25k in cash every 3-5 years, and giving the Aedui Patavium after they were nearly surrounded by the Arverni.

The result? I only have Segesta/Arretium/Arminium/Rome/Capua/Arpi/Taras/Rhegion/Lillibeo, and it's the end of year 240BC. Surprisingly enough, it's not dull at all, though I sorta hope there's a way of making it 2turns a year so I can quickly get to that part of history where the Republic starts kicking behind and taking names.

Try it, I don't know if you'd call it iron man rules, but it's fun, and also use your imagination to add life to some of the more boring details.

I.E. How my faction leader(in Rome) has been trying to make Taras as great as Rome, and the Senate conspired to give him a nota censuria because of it. How the first Punic War was caused by military transgressions on Roman territory, aided, or at least condonned by Rhegion. This resulted in Cornelius Blasio marching up to Rhegion with the intent to take Lilibeo, after he was refused access by the people of Rhegion, he conquered the city, and then marched on to Lilibeo. Messina allied itself witht he Carthaginians and gave them free haven after they were kicked off, and Syracuse with Rome.

Or better yet, how war between Rome and Carthage(Second Punic War I guess) was averted by the Carthiginian holdings in Iberia agreeing to pay over a sum for the income lost through the lost regiment's(random Carthage unit, remnant of Lilibeo fall) loitering south of Rhegion, in Roman territory.

It's the little things that keep you occupied until you can actually do something.