The mess that was the CNN/YouTube debate

Anyone try to watch this Republican debate? I watched part of it, before getting bored and dropping it to play TF2. :2thumbsup:

It looks like it was a real gem with questions from Obama supporters, Edwards supporters, union activists and Clinton campaign members. Bear in mind that the Democrats have refused a FoxNews debate because they claim bias. :dizzy2:

Wonder how many Republican activists got their questions into Democrat debates? I always thought the idea of a YouTube debate was stupid to begin with- this just proves it. (Link exposing questioners.)

They don't call it the Clinton News Network for nothing....

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I always thought it was the commie news network.

Which neatly ties in with the question; blatant bias or appalling incompetence?

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Bear in mind that the Democrats have refused a FoxNews debate because they claim bias.

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They're ready to talk with no preconditions to Iran, but Fox News is just too evil.

CR

I think the funniest part was General Light-loafers turns up at the debate!!! Boy, what a coincidence. Not only that, he had more time to speak then most of the candidates. I'm sure CNN didn't plan that at all, riiiiight. Typical.

That is great. Go to drudge report.

Really, who here that's been to the YouTube actually took either of these seriously. For Christ's sake, just look at the comments people make!

"Mess" what an appropriate term for events/issues concerning republican presidential candidates.

The whole party seems to be a big mess at this point anyway, might as well add some more slop to the mud. What a 180 from post Clinton, I mean the republican party had unity, was concise had an adgenda.

Now they look desperate and frankly silly. I dont know maybe I have peetered out on conservatism over the last 6-7 years... It just seems like a complete party collapse for them, there not coherent at all.

Im an independent looking for a live perserver here fellas, Paul's about the only one who appeals to me, mainly because he seems to be thinking outside of the box and has a libertarian slant.

The republican party would do well to heed this guys appeal, because as it stands now the only thing that appears to be in thier favor is the devisiveness of Hillary (if she gets the nomination)

CNN slanting things against republicans? This is news! (?)

If the dems don't think they can handle Fox News, what makes them think they can run the country? President's face tough question's too..




And while the Reps are going through some post-bush soul searching, the dems have plenty of endemic functionality issues that reach way back past Clinton. I think its funny how many people are writing the Reps off at this point.. :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Odin

Im an independent looking for a live perserver here fellas, Paul's about the only one who appeals to me, mainly because he seems to be thinking outside of the box and has a libertarian slant.

The republican party would do well to heed this guys appeal, because as it stands now the only thing that appears to be in thier favor is the devisiveness of Hillary (if she gets the nomination)

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http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer...620.xml&coll=2

:inquisitive: Hmmm.

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer...620.xml&coll=2

:inquisitive: Hmmm.

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Do they have a fundraising website yet?

I thought the debate was quite revealing, which qualifies as a good debate. Romney and giuliani are scumbags, tancredo and hunter are ignored with good reason, paul is crazy, thompson is uninterested and uninteresting, and huckabee and McCain and very genuine.

Some select quotes, gotta love republican audiences:

Guiliani: I don't think we should give guns to felons and crazy people
Audience: BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

General guy: I've served 42 years in the military. also I'm gay.
Audience: BOOOOOO!

Hunter (I think): I will never apologise for anything america does!
Audienc: YAaaaaaaay!

not exact quotes but you get the gist of it.

also:

Youtube guy: Do you believe every word of the bible is true?
Giuliani: Well, I believe some parts of it are allegorical *like "thou shalt not covet"*

They keep finding more of them too- the link has updated. Found another Edwards supporter, a former Jane Harman intern, and an apparent Richardson supporter who actually got a question thru during the Democrat's YouTube debate as well.

Really, really sloppy CNN. Were there any questioners selected for the Republican debate that didn't have links to the Democrat party? :no:

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

They keep finding more of them too- the link has updated. Found another Edwards supporter, a former Jane Harman intern, and an apparent Richardson supporter who actually got a question thru during the Democrat's YouTube debate as well.

Really, really sloppy CNN. Were there any questioners selected for the Republican debate that didn't have links to the Democrat party? :no:

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Do you actually object to the questions? Do you think the republicans can't handle questions from democrats?

Mickey mouse could ask the questions for all it matters, as long as the questions are good. The republicans are debating so it's a republican debate.

Are the Democrats still refusing to have a debate on Fox?

I'm voting for Ron Paul.

After watching that video, I do agree most of his ideas are extreme to a high power, but I find him the most sincere and intelligent of the idiotic group.

Besides, he's a president. Most of the stuff he says he can't get done anyway. He doesn't have the power to abolish the Federal Reserve or the IRS.

What he can do, is appoint Supreme Court Judges who have a conservative view on abortion, and end the war in Iraq.

I checked the debate out for fun and I must say the only one who really impressed me was Huckabee. All others were wanting in one way or another, and especially Romney sent my sleaze-o-meter off the charts.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Do you actually object to the questions? Do you think the republicans can't handle questions from democrats?

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I actually liked a couple of the questions- others were more like cheapshots/setups. Regardless, the idea behind such a primary debate is for Republicans to ask questions on the issues they care about to the candidates that they will be voting for. It's not supposed to be a chance for Democrat operatives to try to play gotchya games.

Again, let me mention that the Democrats are still refusing to go on a FoxNews debate because it will be biased. :laugh4:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

ABC News' Eloise Harper Reports: Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., a 2008 presidential candidate,has joined her democratic rivals -- former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C. and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. -- in boycotting a presidential debate hosted by the Fox News Channel.

On Monday, the Obama campaign said that the senator would boycott a proposed debate to be broadcast by Fox News Channel.

The first senator to formally boycott the Fox News debate was former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C.

A statement released by the Edwards campaign read:

"We believe there's just no reason for Democrats to give Fox a platform to advance the right-wing agenda while pretending they're objective. If there was any uncertainty as to Fox's objectivity, it was put to rest when they attacked Democratic candidates, Democratic constituency groups, and the Nevada Democratic party when their last proposed debate was cancelled for lack of support."

The debate is to be held on September 23 in Detroit and is hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus. :laugh4: link

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

I checked the debate out for fun and I must say the only one who really impressed me was Huckabee. All others were wanting in one way or another, and especially Romney sent my sleaze-o-meter off the charts.

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I've got to agree- I think Romney is so full of crap, that I'm pretty sure I could smell him thru the TV. He'll say whatever he needs to or take any position just so it gets him the nomination.

Yeah, the dems are still crying BIAS BIAS BIAS!!! and refusing to go on fox. I didn't watch the debate but my opinions about the republicans are pretty much already formed.

Romney-The republican version of Hillary. AKA Slimeyer than a slug's lips.

Giuliani- 9/11 9/11 9/11 !!!! Still he is decent and the most liberal of the republicans when it comes to social issues so he appeals a little to me.

McCain- I disagree with him a lot on social issues but you know that what he says is the truth. I think the US could really use that right now.

Thompson-Boring, not really sure why he is running

Huckabee-Seems like a great guy but he is too conservative for me.

Paul-Nuttier than a squirrel's intestines but he appeals because of his libertarianism. The republicans should remember that in 2012.

Of course it doesn't matter much because I'm 3 months to young to vote in the general election.:shame:

Edit: for the record I would like to see McCain as the prez and Obama as the vice prez and then have Obama be the president in 2012 but that obviously isn't going to happen. Stupid partisanship ruining my perfect white house grumble grumble grumble

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

Of course it doesn't matter much because I'm 3 months to young to vote in the general election.:shame:

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Doesn't it suck?

I was 17 and 2 months on the last election.

I'll be old enough to buy a case of beer in the next one :).

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Originally Posted by Ice

I'm voting for Ron Paul.

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Me too! ~:wacko:

I've watched the dem's and repub's and, maybe it's CNN and their lack of effective moderating (Blitzer was horrible, only ever digging for soundbites; Cooper less horrible, but not up to the challange either, IMO), but...

I want a whole new slate, both sides. If these are our best and brightest, we're in a heap o'trouble.

The equivocating, the grandstanding - haven't any one of them figured out that we know when we're being 'massaged', sold a bill of goods, and we don't like it?

The official campaign for the Federal elections started here 7 weeks ago. It was finished last weekend.

6 weeks was too long.

My condolences to our US friends in this time of pain and agony.

I just don't the Utube debates in general. I think the whole format is somewhat stupid, especially in its claim to allow us 'normal people' to ask the candidates questions. If CNN really cared about presenting 'our' questions to the candidates it would cover question answer sessions at the many townhall meetings that happen during a campaign. The fact that the questions have been out on Utube for a long time and are then selected just makes it too easy for the candidates to come up with their usual evasive answers.

Also these are NOT debates, they are glamorized townhall meeting with all the candidates in one place but only requiring each canidate to answer a few questions. If they allowed these things to pan out as real debates then we might actually be able to gauge the candidates ability to respond to contrary viewpoints quickly and intelligently instead of merely spouting nonsense without the worry of being called on it.

Honestly I wish CNN would go back to their "a whole day's news every half hour" game than this bs.

They tried to smear and censor Ron Paul again. But they can't hurt or silence him since he's the Bob Marley of politics! :smash:

Mark Strauss is obviously a plant. His video was also picked in the Democratic CNN/YouTube debate. Coincidence? :skull:

The old guard media is now pumping up Mike Huckabee as their new guy. Who's next, Tancredo? ~:confused: