I have doubts about AD. He has posted in a very noncommittal way before. But his last post is full of it. It's the best lead we have, but I have a feeling this one will go to the mafia.
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I have doubts about AD. He has posted in a very noncommittal way before. But his last post is full of it. It's the best lead we have, but I have a feeling this one will go to the mafia.
Keeping hidden would have been the dumb thing to do, I had hoped to gain at least one more name (guilty OR innocent) before posting, unfortunately Craterus bit the bullet.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
As for the current accusations: why do you people think Don or Xiahou are innocent ? Do we any concrete reason to believe that they are ?
They weren't on my suspect list, but then I haven't gotten lucky yet (errr...you know what I mean).
Nice investigative work Senator Sasaki. :bow:
Vote: AggonyDuck
Doc seems credible as a Praetor and his PMs ring true to me. I was previously suspicious of Sasaki, but consider him cleared now. Combine that with Sasaki's lengthy dissertation on the guilt of AggonyDuck, and my choice is clear.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
Assuming you really are the detective, and that you told us the whole truth, then the only person who could possibly know if I'm innocent at this point is me. The rest of you should be suspicious, but I think Sasaki gave Xiahou a pass several rounds ago. So, between myself and Aggony_Duck, I've gotta take the duck. As for Xiahou, I DO think it's odd that these Latin quotes keep showing up in the killings, and he stuck a Latin quote in his signature. He's going to laugh right out loud at the end of this, because he basically told us he was involved. I think Sasaki's wrong and I don't think the game is going to end after we lynch Aggony_Duck. Maybe AD is guilty, maybe not, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn Xiahou is (either as AD's partner or somebody else's). AD's changing his story over and over looks very suspicious, more so than Xiahou's Latin hijinx, but if the game's not over tomorrow night, I know who I'm voting for next.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Finally.
Ducky's resignation is one point that indicates he's the only one left. If there were two he would know he had some vote leverage, and would only have to lynch one person. But he knows even if he could get Xiahou lynched you'd vote for him next round. Of course the main point is how suspicious Kommo acted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
My impression of them was that they were innocent. My two suspects were you and Ducky, leaning pretty heavily towards Ducky. I believe you though, apparently I have a tendency for suspecting detectives...Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Don, I never said I had any list of reasons nor did I call them irrefutable. You are really going after me, misattributing things to me, for some reason or the other... :sad: :thumbsdown: :brood:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
All I had was a classic Reenkaficsio speech based on the fact that Sasaki is too suspicious to let live this long. I didn't finish it and now I don't need to.
I'm not sure that doc_bean is Praetor at all. Now, he's not too suspicious as he didn't reveal when pressed, but then again three things bother me:
1) He could just reveal now knowing that he is essentially safe (with us having barely any lynches).
2) He didn't investigate Kommodus.
3) Look at his PM's closely: "despite his behavior - Innocent"
Sir Moody is British. He spells words like "realized" "realised" so why not "behavior" "behaviour"?
I'm on the fence with doc_bean. I don't believe him at all, but then again, I also have a hard time believing he is Rebel Slave.
I don't buy the AggonyDuck argument by Sasaki at all. All it does is put a bit of suspicion on him. Nothing at all convincing (in relation to how suspicious he was), and were it not for the fact that Sasaki's guilt is called into doubt by doc_bean (who I don't completely believe) I would be voting for him this round.
Vote: Reenk Roink (courteously) :shrug:
He couldn't know real detective is dead. Claims also have a history of being questioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
He was obviously guilty. He investigated you and then me instead, understandable.Quote:
2) He didn't investigate Kommodus.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...7&postcount=62Quote:
3) Look at his PM's closely: "despite his behavior - Innocent"
Sir Moody is British. He spells words like "realized" "realised" so why not "behavior" "behaviour"?
:bow:
Why don't you buy it? What do you think of AD's "confession"?Quote:
I don't buy the AggonyDuck argument by Sasaki at all. All it does is put a bit of suspicion on him. Nothing at all convincing (in relation to how suspicious he was), and were it not for the fact that Sasaki's guilt is called into doubt by doc_bean (who I don't completely believe) I would be voting for him this round.
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there is a good risk that I might be somewhat guilty of the murders of certain senators against whom I propably held no sort of possible grudge and that the murders which might and could have been commited by me and my late accomplice might have been just due to some sort of semi-divine intervention and the voice of some higher power that possibly told me to kill senators, which I most likely did not enjoy, although there is no saying that some of the murders might have been somewhat enjoyable, especially the murder of GH, which might have been commited by me after his rather disturbing gut-vote. Well atleast I got some sort of revenge there, but at the same time I might have believed that there was a likely chance that I was doing badly and that I most likely would be executed at some point due to my possible mistakes, provided that I am a rebel of course.
I claimed detective though in all honesty, I had no idea who he was. I just prepared myself to argue with him, and actually wanted that to happen (as it would draw attention away from Seamus).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Sorry Sasaki. While I certainly see the plausibility of him being truthful, there is another plausibility that, while though not as strong, cannot be disregarded. I must continue to affirm this point.
Whoa Whoa Whoa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
While it is certainly understandable for him to investigate us, there was nothing obvious about Kommodus after his amended stance. He remains plausible, enough for me to vote against him, but the certainty I had in the beginning was gone after he amended his stance.
Gonna have to call this a problem in doc's reveal too...
Understood. I recant this point. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I think it largely irrelevant, and have a slight inclination to view it as evidence for his innocence. Very weak bandwagon here Sasaki...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
That's not the point. Unless you can show that doc_bean is lying, it doesn't matter if you think the evidence against AD is weak. At least one of the three is guilty and I don't see you offering arguments against the other two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Tell me this, how did doc_bean know to spell behavior without the 'u' if he fabricated the pm's? The only post where Sir Moody spelled it "behavior" was in the backroom which isn't searchable by members. In the threads that are searchable by members he has it spelled "behaviour". If he had looked it up he would have it wrong. Do they use the american spelling in belgium btw? His story pans out, and it doesn't make sense as a mafia play, and I already suspected ducky. I believe him.
I don't see why you discount AD's confession either.
I normally use British spelling, so it would be 'behaviour' if I had written it and didn't mis-type (a problem that happens all too often :embarrassed:).
I didn't investigate Kommodus , that was a risk and I did think about it. The thing was, I expected him to get lynched or murdered, before a confession would have a serious impact. I couldn't reveal myself last round, of Sasaki, Reenk and me, only one would have remained, making it a *very* bad thing to do. So I expected, Kommodus to die, and went from there.
Okay, you may say, but you started the Kommodus bandwagon. True dat. BUT, the other players were obviously in agreement, he would have probably gotten killed even if I hadn't started it, OR we'd have another meaningless round of debate whether or not we should lynch him, and go for the random lynch instead (I warned y'all about the problem). Besides, he was acting very suspiciously and was the most probable pick for being mafia from those I hadn't investigated yet.
Also Reenk, you have trust issues. :cry:
Vote: AgonnyDuck, because his confession would have been very odd if he wasn't a rebel, and because the other two don't seem very suspicious.
voting closed
"Senator Morsus Anas you have been found guilty of the crime of Murder and treason please step forward.". Senator Morsus Anas, known playfully as AggonyDuck, was resigned to his fate. He stepped forward and held out his arms to a guard who placed the irons on. Within Seconds csar realised something was wrong as Morsus began to shiver then shake and then white froth formed on his mouth. He collapsed and was dead in seconds. Csar opened the cuffs and found a needle embedded inside. "This is proof friends it still isnt over..."
Votes
AggonyDuck = 4 ( Don Corleone, Sasaki Kojiro, doc_bean, Xiahou )
Reenk Roink = 1 ( Reenk Roink )
Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Csar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
JimBob
Craterus
Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Suicide
Proletariat
Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope
PM's please
Sasaki, you may be able to pull off this kind of stratagem on others, but I know you too well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Do not try to link AggonyDuck and doc_bean together. They are two different cases. :stare:
My offering arguments also is irrelevant. I freely admit that I don't know who to vote for, however, I also see how terribly weak your case against AggonyDuck was... :rolleyes:
So he has both spelled it "behaviour" and "behavior"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Now I can be inclined to think that doc_bean just got lucky... A bad argument again Sasaki. :rolleyes:
The thing that is going for doc_bean is that he revealed when there was no pressure on him. That is why my position on him is that it is plausible (around 60%) that he is Praetor, but there is a significant chance that he is not also (reasons were given above).
It seems like someone just mocking your investigations to be honest. You haven't actually given us any analysis on why to suspect him, just pasted his quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
You have to convince me Sasaki, it doesn't go the other way around...
Hey doc, thanks for the answer. This is an understandable reason for not going after Kommodus, and it satisfies my suspicion on the issue (though I'm still somewhat perturbed).Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Don't take it personally man. :smiley:Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
I have said that there is a good reason to believe you, and in all honestly, I would have cast my doubts aside if it weren't for the fact that Sasaki started the weak bandwagon immediately after your reveal.
That gave me the impression that your reveal could be a stratagem by the Rebel Slaves to buy you time. After all, we only have 1-2 lynches left, so there's a very good chance that even if you get caught, you can oull it off, because it's too late (what I was going for in Mafia V: cause confusion, waste a round or two, and let Seamus finish it off).
Still, you can tell that I don't suspect you enough to vote for you. Take that into consideration. It sorta sucks, but the reason I'm a bit suspicious of you isn't really because of anything you did, it's because of Sasaki... :tongue3:
I would have never gone after Kommodus the way I did if my goal was confusion, he was the most confusing 'aspect' this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Oh well, I expect I will see my untimely demise this night, thus proving me innocent. Leaving me alive would show that the rebels have guts of course (trying to pin it on me) but they don't appear to particulary brave. It would be a nice Mexican stand-off though.
Don't worry, I don't :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
"Friends, Good Romans we know there is rebels yet alive but there have been no deaths - they have missed their chance now we have the upper hand this is it all this is the end we must pick right but we have all the cards now..."
Alive
Sasaki Kojiro
Don Corleone
Csar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Xiahou
Dead
Crazed Rabbit
Masy
Kagemusha
Dutch_guy
Peasant Phill
GeneralHankerchief
JimBob
Craterus
Executed
Ituralde
Caius Flaminius
Kommodus
AggonyDuck
Suicide
Proletariat
Wrath of God
Destroyer of Hope
voting open on the final round
What are the odds that there are 2 rebels alive and both of them being to late to send in their kills. My fellow senators, I believe this blunder will grant the senate the victory.
That's odd. Well, we've won now. doc_bean can tell us who is guilty, and even if Reenk doesn't believe him we have another round after this one. Edit, scratch that. Since Csar can't vote, we have to lynch mafia this round or lose, unless we lynch csar. But lynching csar won't resolve anything.
This I think explains why the mafia didn't kill anyone. Killing me and reenk (only possible choices) doesn't change things. Having us alive could be advantageous. Don has already said he thinks it's Xiahou, so X would understandably not be keen on an endgame with Don and the detective as the only 2 voters. He would also want Reenk alive since Reenk is questioning doc and myself. I'm going to go ahead and Vote:Xiahou for this and other reasons although I'm prepared to eat this vote depending on what doc_bean says.
Anyway Reenk, you have to know if I was mafioso I would never have let the game go without killing anyone this round.
Sasaki, when was Xiahou last on?
(guess Kommodus was innocent after all :grin:)
Hey Sasaki, I know you too well to expect the unexpected...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Remember the "cool" response to my PM in Csar's game? Unexpected. Gave you away...
EDIT: (gah this was supposed to be in the post above)
Does this mean the dead can vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
If so,
Vote: Xiahou
I don't think it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Maybe ~:handball: (yes I think he was)Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Guess I was innocent too huh :tongue3:
But if I'm guilty, doc_bean is guilty, so we could have won by killing 1 or 2 people this round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
sorry general if the dead are just that - they cant vote
Interesting stuff. If doc is still to be believed (what choice do we have at this point), the only remaining potential rebels would be myself and Don. Of course, I know some info the rest you dont- that being I'm innocent. So my vote is clear:
Vote: DonC
The problem, of course, is that my vote alone isn't good enough since all other votes thus far have lined up against me. Don's been gunning for me for several posts now- saying I was the most likely rebel even while voting inexplicably for AggonyDuck. If he really thought I was a rebel, why wouldn't he vote his convictions? Probably because he didn't want to be the odd man out on such a clear lynch choice and draw attention to himself.
Of course, there's also the possibility that Doc is a rebel and named 2 innocents as investigation targets so as to give himself credibility. If that's the case, we'll lose either way- but I still tend to believe the authenticity of his PMs- leaving Don as the only choice.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
Until doc_bean confirms who it is it's best to leave it a tie.
well since we have a draw i wont close the voting and i will open it to the dead as well - voting closes tommorow at 12 and the dead CAN vote
What I said, Xiahou, was that I find the Latin phrase a bit too coincidental with all the Latin phrases that keep showing up at the murder site. But that was nowhere near as suspicious as Aggony_Duck contradicting himself, several times if Sasaki is to be believed. I'm pretty sure Aggony_Duck was a rebel. I think he was your partner. You all jumped on the Kommodus bandwagon, something you were probably secretly cheering about. I said if the game wasn't over, I was going to vote for you.
Vote: Xiahou
Vote:DonC
If the rebels were late in the kills, that mean they are talking not much here.
OMG!I was going to vote a Dead Senator :grin2:
:laugh4:
So "convenient" for doc_bean to disappear right now...* :rolleyes:
*If there is a legitimate reason I apologize.
All are suspects, except they give a good reason...