Can't resist Sasaki's womenly charms.
Unvote, Vote: ATPG
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Can't resist Sasaki's womenly charms.
Unvote, Vote: ATPG
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Originally Posted by pevergreen
What happened to your theory about Glenn ? If you would be so incredibly surprised if Glenn was proven town, then isn't a bit quickly you decide voting ATPG ? Vote: pevergreenQuote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Personally I don't feel the ATPG case all that much.. and not enough to vote for him. I can understand he reacts on Nictel's respons and well.. the case on ATPG is that he is too eager to get Nictel lynched basically?
Vote: ATPG
Because he said something in private which only TinCow has said a few hours later. I messaged you back Pizza, asking for clarification, but it just looks scummy as if you two are sharing a quicktopic or similar.
Pizza I am kind of disappointed you would think I would still overreact as mafia, I've learned that lesson. Perhaps you haven't seen that reaction before, because I have never had such a big bandwagon for no apparent reason on me other than that it was the second day of the new year. That said, your fixation with me seems, well unhealthy really. To be honest, you're kind of behaving like you did in the second part of the Zelda game. Which isn't in your benefit. Vote: ATPG
new powers? Perhaps we'll get some more scanner. Or did the scanner who scanned tinCow scan anyone else? Like myself?
Because I've been voting Glenn non-stop and no one else is going for the lynch, so I may as well make my vote count.Quote:
Originally Posted by God Emperor
My gut was saying Glenn from the first night, so I am going to go with that. vote:Glenn He needs some explaining to do. Why would you defend a proven scum like that?
Beskar -- Which Night One attack was TinCow? Explanation please. Also on the thing you said about ATPG.
Night One, four kills. Samus, Dark Samus, blue-eyed small creature killing with electricity, shadowy figure with red eyes killing with chill. (Also Grayblades was apparently roleblocked.)
Day Two TinCow dies, is Corrupted Cloud Strife, Phazon corruption.
Night Two, four kills, one failed attack. Samus, Dark Samus, blue-eyed small creature killing with electricity, woman with red eyes killing with a fireball, massive shadowy creature attacking protected Beskar.
vote: Glenn. Defending known scum, and ATPG's bandwagon is too big.
Never mind my last post, I was remembering it the wrong way around.
vote: glenn
...must...obey.......AARGH! Vote: PizzaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
phew, thats better :)
Unvote; Vote Jarema
Anyone have a tally?
The rest of the post aside, I can't really see how you jumped to this train of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Beskar's source was obviously cautious about revealing their results publicly so used him as a proxy instead; so why would they then start coming out and supporting his evidence and try to turn people onto your lynch even when the proxy himself wasn't doing so, as I had done?
When I get a good role like that, I'm not foolish enough to make any of the mistakes you guys seem to think I made and killed me for; I would have laid low after imparting Beskar with my evidence, allowing him to take the flak.
The real source probably did the exact same.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The second part of the Zelda game, where I personally took down about half of the cult team and also wiped out the mafia team single-handedly? It was your own fault for allowing two claimed Lovers to exist until the end, seriously. I was acting pro-town then, far more pro-town than anyone else, and kicking serious butt.
Whichever. I knew that attempting to vote for people who deserved it would get me votes. I also knew actively attempting to destroy mafioso in this mafia-tilted game would be a bad idea. Better would have been to employ Beefy's strategy which is to sit down and shut up and hope you don't get murdered and that you get recruited.
Go ahead folks, lynch me. You deserve it.
Apparently, Pizza isn't the mafia we are looking for. I will be honest Pizza, I am still wary of you, but the investigator said you are a town (at least for the moment anyway). But it is pointless to kill a townie, which is zero percent of hitting a mafia, while killing some one else randomly has a higher chance.
Unvote: Vote: Glenn
because you was brown nosing TinCow so much, you can no longer pass through a metal detector. Also, don't do the "I didn't know", because Arpeg pulled that in another game and guess what? he was the mafia's partner.
Glenn was the person run up to lynch as the first alternate to tincow.
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I can already sense this game is going to be nothing but waiting for investigation results, and then following them. Just kill me now.
I'm not seeing the lynch on ATPG. Yeah, he applied pressure to someone other than the scanned mafia, but I think this is a good thing. Instead I will vote: Glenn as per the reasons stated yeasterday.
unvote, vote: Yaropolk
Tally:
5 Glenn (classical hero, Cecil XIX, Jarema, Beskar, Frozen In Ice)
3 ATPG (Csargo, pever, ATPG)
2 Beefy (Beefy, Renata)
2 Nictel (ATPG, Nictel)
1 Landlubber (Glenn,
1 Link (Yaropolk,
1 Csargo (Khazzar)
1 pevergreen (God Emperor)
1 Jarema (ByzantineKnight)
1 Yaropolk (Diamondeye)
Abstain (TheFluffyOne, Death is Yonder)
Time to collect and post a vote count, no time to summarize reasons. Frozen is probably scum.
Glenn was the counterwagon that sprung up to save tincow--I hope this doesn't need explaining. Included this gem from woad&fangs:
Who could also be scum.Quote:
unvote: insanious; vote: Glenn The case on TinCow seems week and Glenn seems to be trying too hard. I can't remember if that is normal for him or not.
Aha, frozens "already stated reasons" are bad like expected:
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Vote: Glenn Your last post doesn't sit right with me. Not the part that classical_hero qouted above, that was actually very helpful, but the rest of it. You seem to be trying very hard to appear as a helpful townie, and that "possible Motep-Romanic" link is part of it. It seems like a very fragile connection to base suspicions off of and to me it comes off as trying really hard to appear townie. Not to mention you said you already trusted Double A on day 1, that also seemed off.
I see no reason not to help Sasaki follow up on this. unvote and vote:Frozen
unvote, vote: DiamondeyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Time to start thinking for yourself, man. Using the dead townie's accusations as an excuse to place your vote has been done before, and although townies do it, you can bet that in each one of those wagons, you will find one scumbag.
You're better than to be a reflexive follower.
ahahaha, and how about nictel now?
I already got word through the grapevine of what he is. I am less concerned about him presently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
And I'm not feeling it on Diamondeye either. The hunt continues.
Unvote
Looking for new suspects.
Unvote
Vote:Ironside for some variety in the voting.
Follow-through on previous suspicion. You ducked Tincow's overdrive for a reason, and I want to know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarema
vote: Jarema
:stare: Variety? This is not an ice-cream dessert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93
unvote, vote:Frozen
Let's lynch frozen, pizza will at least hunt for the other mafia.
Previous suspicion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
All I see is people bickering and giving little information to convince me.
I will stay with this vote until I read some information that I, not someone else, deems as valid.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053242400Quote:
Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93
This was the reason for my previous suspicion.
The conclusion is my own, the information (the timing of his unvote) is valid: He unvoted to duck the overdrive attack.
So there are only a few things I am worried about here. Is Jarema our hidden benefactor investigator? Doubtful, or Beskar would have told me to hold off on accusing him. Is Jarema our hidden protector? Possible, but the odds are still long.
Most anyone else isn't important enough to worry about losing, because they can be replaced by others with similar learned powers. But who is worried about survival enough to dodge a 1:14 chance of death? That would be the mafia.
I don't know Jarema as well as I would like, but that unvote still makes little sense to me.
I would have unvoted. WE'RE SURVIVALISTS.
Well....phooey then.
Unvote; Vote: Abstain
At least for now, although I expect I will change it quite soon.
EDIT: Btw, whats the tally now?
I know you would, Sasaki. It wouldn't have been unusual coming from you. You wait until the last minute to break ties on yourself as a basic townie in a basic game where your death is otherwise meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Not everyone shares your mafia philosophy. Jarema doesn't feel like the same sort of player you are. I don't detect the same ruthlessness from him; I feel his behavior is motivated by a fear of loss that is unrelated to losing out on being a survivalist townie player.
The fear of loss is a path to the dark side.
Even if we weren't it's not like it was close vote. Besides, you'd think just being able to vote would be enough reason to want to remain alive. ATPG, don't you have any better hunches to follow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Two things: I'm pretty sure that the Tincow wagon "sprang up" after Glenn, not the other way around. Second, you may think my reasons are bad, but I think they are quite reasonable myself. Different strokes for different folks I guess. All I am getting from this comment is that we have differing thoughts. If you could tell me why it's bad reasoning then that would be helpful to both me, you, and the town as a hole. I'm not one to refuse good advice that will improve my skill, and added discussion only helps catch mafia. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Why are you relying on me? I'm willing to put out the effort to state reasons why I think people should die, and put pressure on people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
Others can also do this. The only reason why I end up leading people in games is because others do not bother. In fact, some of the few times someone else stepped up to the plate, I happily sat my butt on the sidelines and allowed them to lead without my interference. It's a nice change for me.
By all means, come up with your own suspects if you don't think mine are guilty.
I love being dead sometimes.
unvote, VOTE:RENATA
Vote: Winston Hughes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
That's the sort of thing mafia say when they are trying to be clever. Probably.
Also, I believe Glenn was banned during the time period of last night. He couldn't have sent orders in.
The wagon on Glenn makes no sense to me.
That's not exactly the point; It's your duty to face that overdrive if you don't have anything special to defend. Whoever it hits, he cannot be less important than a vanilla townie. You can't just back off and let someone else do it, because if everyone did so, you guessed it, we'd never lynch the mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
Every vanilla townie voting against TinCow reduced the chance that he might hit something else in there, and I doubt the mafia were voting against him (they have a reason to stay out). What is wrong with this argument (which I also presented yesterday, I believe), since no-one seems to be following it?
I haven't heard much from vote: Khazaar this game. I would post a more solid case, but I forgot how to look at who posted.
Click on the number (around 760 atm) after "replies:" instead of the thread title in the Gameroom lobby..?Quote:
Originally Posted by landlubber
unvote, vote:JohnQuote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
This is the kind of thing mafia say when they are trying to fake belief. And then hem and haw after typing it out and add "probably" because in their hearts they know it isn't genuine.
Since Glenn is banned, I will change vote...
unvote; vote: Thefluffyone
Only mafia use abstain votes.
So glenn and atpg are likely innocent? We better get another candidate up there quickly or it may be too late for one of them.
Unvote; vote: frozeninice
Sound more scummy please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
Hey hey hey!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I was just letting the argument continue to see which side makes more sense!
And with Glenn banned, I guess that leaves frozen in ice and jarema
or anyone else, but hey, according to atpg, I should follow previous suspicions.....
Vote: Insanious
No, it's actually more likely that his duty is like what every townie role so far has been, and that is to survive first and foremost. It is very reasonable for a townie to back off TinCow due to his threat, especially since his swag was really turned up that round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
And of course if EVERYONE backed off, the Mafia would never be lynched, but EVERYONE didn't back off, and it certainly didn't look like everyone was going to back off that lynch round. What Cecil did was very smart and absolutely reasonable as a townie.
This is a decent simplifying assumption, though obviously I think that there's a very high chance that people from the other Mafia family went ahead and voted for him.Quote:
Every vanilla townie voting against TinCow reduced the chance that he might hit something else in there, and I doubt the mafia were voting against him (they have a reason to stay out). What is wrong with this argument (which I also presented yesterday, I believe), since no-one seems to be following it?
:inquisitive: I know that you're aware of the hive mind situation with strongly allied teams (like mafia), making it perfectly possible for mafia partners to cover for a short absense of a player. You've allowed me to do that in both games I've played with you as the host.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Might've been a too quick conclusion from your side, but still.
Vote:ATPG
vote: BeefyQuote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
I can't believe this.
eeeh, romanic needs to die to.
lynch list:
romanic
johnH
renata
pizza
woad
It's possible he could send in orders through QT, or his fellow mafia partners could send orders for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I think this tally is right.
4 ATPG (Csargo, Nictel, pevergreen, Ironside)
4 Glenn (classical_hero, Cecil XIX, Jarema, Frozen in Ice)
3 Beefy (Beefy, Renata, Romanic)
2 Jarema (ByzantineKnight, ATPG)
2 Frozen in Ice (Diamondeye, Yaropolk)
1 landlubber (Glenn)
1 Csargo (Khazaar)
1 pevergreen (God Emperor)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)
1 Khazaar (landlubber)
1 Thefluffyone93 (Beskar)
1 Insanious (Skooma Addict)
2 abstain (Death is yonder, Thefluffyone93)
Vote: Glenn
Out of everything I've read today, this is the post that tweaks my scumdar the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
Sasaki went after Seon yesterday, only to hop on the Nictel bandwagon when it became clear that it was the better bet for an alternative push. The behaviour which caught Sasaki's attention was pretty standard for Seon: he's usually flippant, never trustworthy, and only very rarely helpful to the town. He is, however, an experienced villain, whose typical behaviour allows him to avoid giving much - if anything - away. And while, as a townie, he's often utterly cavalier about his safety, when he's playing scum he is quite capable of adjusting that behaviour to improve his survival odds.
In this context, Seon's sole post today strikes me as an attempt to duck under the radar, and avoid a repeat of the previous accusation. He's changed up his behaviour, switching from irreverent to stealthy, and that is enough for me to...
vote: Seon.
I volunteered information that has the potential to be falsified or verified at a later date. If it was a lie, then it'd be a stupid and unnecessary one. And, if and when it is shown to be true, even then it won't prove me to be town.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Dude its only the second turn anyone has cause to abstain.
Ooh I just realised I have an excuse to do this!
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I'm not asking you to name names for me, I'm asking for a yes or no: Can't you think of better suspects to go after then Jarema and Nictel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
How do you know that Chaotix could have gotten the kill order from a QT? (I see that Choxorn spotted this out also) Under such circumstances it might be possible. But assuming you are right I will unvoteQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Right then it does seem the trail has gone cold. Hopefully I should be able to make a vote tonight after my colonoscopy, but just in case, my vote right now is vote:abstain just in case I don't fell well enough to get a proper vote in, but hopefully that does not happen.
Folks, as it has been pointed out, Beskar claims ATPG has been cleared by investigator, Beskar is Jill Valentine, so probably not a mafioso , and Glenn was banned last night. I encourage those voting for those 2 above to switch your vote to one of the other lose contenders (Jareema, Beefy or FrozenInIce)
The top candidate has like 5 votes. We can lynch anyone.
FoS: YaraopolkQuote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
Pointless, and defending comment.
All we know about cover roles is that TC's looked exactly like his real role. Could be a one off, could not. Anything else is unknown.
vote: Beefy on account of ATPG being innocent and all. If Beefy's wifom is an act of genius rather than scum behavior, he should easily be able to argue his way out of being lynched ;-)
I'll abstain for now, too much Mass Effect recently to pay too much attention, albeit I was surprised to see Shepard in game and as a girl no less
To validate Vote Abstain
. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
. . .
. . .
No, Greyblades.
No.
Round has ended. I will tally the votes.
3 way tie at 4 votes?
Woad seriously did you know what the votecount was?
And seriously a BEEFY wagon for that post? Have ANY of you EVER played with beefy before?
I hope we get lucky.
Tally
ATPG: 4 (Csargo, pevergreen, Nictel, Ironside)
Glenn: 4 (Cecil, Jarema, Frozen, Insanious)
Beefy: 4 (Beefy, Renata, Romanic, woad&fangs)
Jarema: 2 (ByzantineKnight, ATPG)
Frozen: 2 (Diamondeye, Yaropolk)
landlubber: 1 (Glenn)
Csargo: 1 (Khazaar)
pevergreen: 1 (God Emperor)
Winston: 1 (johnhughthom)
Khazaar: 1 (landlubber)
Thefluffyone: 1 (Beskar)
Insanious: 1 (Skooma)
Seon: 1 (Winston)
Abstaining: DiY, Thefluffyone, classical_hero, dcmort
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Nice and decisive today, guys. :brood:
I'm extending this round 24 hours. A triple tie is too much.
Fine then Unvote; Vote Glenn and FOS Pizza
Pizza could have tried to stoop the wagon on glenn bc they are both mafia but IDK
So we can still lynch anyone correct?
unvote, vote:Seon
fos:anyone lazily voting the top three
http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/jRewu9X9JhM/0.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
At least we know that 3 way ties won't end in 3 deaths.
AT LEAST WE KNOW YOU DON'T CARE WHO DIES TODAY AS LONG AS IT ISN'T A PARTNER, SCUMQuote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
I was tempted to switch my vote before but wanted to see what would happen with a triple tie :grin: Unvote:ATPG, Vote:Seon
I think WH analysis on Seon is a very good, I think he should be lynched over the other candidates.
unvote; vote: Seon
Seems to be the trend.
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I don't think any of the top three should be killed. Glenn is banned (what did he do???), so just let him get WoG'd I guess, I'm more open to Beskar's innocence and by implication Atpg's for now, just don't listen to the 'Nictel flinched' nonsense.
But if Beefy dies I will lose all reason for attempting to follow this game further and I kinda like this game and the drama and discussion in it even though I'm not a fan of the setting. :sad: Pretty sure I'll just look at the summary thread from time to time to read Chaotix's nice story. Also, I will not suppress my desire to see TinCow's group win it because I like what TinCow has done so far in the game. In fact, even now the second best thing that could happen except a pure town victory would be Dark Samus winning for me (I was IDFH).
By the way, I wish God Emperor dies. Retaliation vote, plus you never did give me that 20 gold... :deal:
Great comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar