Is the timer correct? Yay, thanks Khaan, that means I'll be able to be around! :yes:
That's your reply? Can we please lynch Seon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
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Is the timer correct? Yay, thanks Khaan, that means I'll be able to be around! :yes:
That's your reply? Can we please lynch Seon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
Axe guy (the BIG one with the BIG axe) has already missed a night before. It actually fits right in. He attacked N1, didn't attack N2, attacked N3, didn't attack N4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
The pearly lady was gone again and I think the green robe man who killed in her stead is the same we saw N3. Lady with the saber remains our only regular.
It all speaks for the option of the Mafia having more members than kills.
What is the reasoning? All I've seen is several "Vote: Seon" posts, without any explanation why they are voting for Seon.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Ahem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Emphasis added now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Go look at his posts and votes if you need proof. I'm a little tired and need to do a writeup later. The round is long though, so if it's needed I'll probably be able to quote some of his posts later.
As with yesterday I'm going to Vote Glyphz
Gutsy move Andres. I congratulate you.
vote: The Last Days
I still think that Vote: TheLastDays is scummy.
Umm, do you mean that voting for TLD is scummy, or that TLD is scummy. I´m sure you can make two sentences out of that, it got me confused. I thought you meant to be funny at first.
Vote: ATPG much spammy, less constructive, must be getting old...
Perhaps it's because I'm determined to not be dead weight for once, and that I'm trying to analyze the night kills instead of leaving it to someone else? I know how to play as mafia, GH. If I was, there would be no reason for me to do this. I've seen what happens to antitownies with PIS, and it's never pretty for them. If I were mafia, I would be lurking and voting randomly, because that's what everyone expects me to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Vote: glyphz
Somebody tell me why we're voting for TLD again?
Was going to say the same thing but I guess simply voting without giving reasons is fine for most people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
He's "scummy".Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
No time to read up, so I'm going to follow Renata. Vote: glyphz
If you're just going to be someone's lackey you could do a lot better than following a neutral pretending to be town.
We had several text walls about this last day phase. The information given there is enough to lynch you twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
He is scummy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
He has been scummy since day 1, I'm fine with what could be his playing style but there are to many minor details... yeap, I'm not going to dissect any post, just an example, yesterday he jumped in every single bandwagon when not OMGUS voting for somebody else. Another thing, after Believer accusation and the wall-texting competition it was more or less clear to me (and it seems to Romanic too) it was a fruitless discussion between 2 townies, but later comes pizza trying to start a bandwagon on Believer for something TLD said? Or is that my bad interpretation of what I did see? Or my mind is playing tricks... I don't know...
But now I must say TLD is right on something, yesterday Seon was calling for his head very vocal... and now voting for somebody else without any reason or explanation? :inquisitive:
FoS: everybody... me included!
Bah, your reason for voting me yesterday was:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
It's not a silly case to lynch someone when he's not looking for scum, even if we know that Fluffy acts like this in every game. We gave him a chance to act differently but he chose to stick to his usual behavior, despite the pressure. When one is the tally leader, he has to act Town, name who he figures is scum and try convincing the Town that he is not a good lynch (with arguments or a claim). He did nothing except moving his vote around, so players didn't unvote him, and I don't blame them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
You even acknowledge this when saying that "Romanic has a valid point", so why are you calling my case "silly"?
Also, you're saying that I am not looking for scum, but I am - pressuring someone who's impossible to read, is looking for scum. Fluffy isn't going to get a free pass to the endgame everytime he plays the meme act, not from me, no sir.
Gah!
And because I can't say a lot more than that about what happend last night: GAH!
That said, can somebody tell me why we are not lynching Double A?
First let's fix your naming once and for all - 'pearly' lady was used in one writeup - You should refer to this character as the 'winged' lady, since she's shown having wings in all writeups she appeared in. Iirc Diamondeye proposed that she is a Valkyrie, and I agree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Second, you're right to point that she is not around anymore, and I am seriously considering that she was God Emperor, who was lynched just before she disappeared. If so, then the mafia would need to have a new killer (assuming the mafia can kill twice, and pick who kills - I think it was like this in the previous game)
FoS : ZackQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
There's so much wrong with that post.
First, you blame Romanic for making a filmsy case against fluffy, while all he did was pressuring fluffy to post something substantial instead of the usual meme's and funny guy act. You read an awful lot in a pressure vote and this "case" against Romanic smells fabricated.
Then, after you voted Romanic, you just basically agree with him.
That post smells fishy.
This is a weak argument. If fluffy had named suspects and tried to save himself he would have been lynched anyway for acting out of character and trying to hard to not get lynched. It was an easy bandwagon and a lot of people jumped onto it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
If I thought that voting for TLD was scummy, why would I be doing it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khazaar
Nose of Suspicion: Khazaar
I said he has a point. I didn't say I thought fluffy was lynch-worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
EDIT: And Romanic, you voted fluffy because he "wasn't looking for scum", which you are also guilty for. What else would you call starting an easy bandwagon on someone for being silly, who you admit you don't necessarily think is scum?
Well, it was bound to happen one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
You can't post silly stuff all the time and expect never to get lynched for it in each and every game :shrug:
People have been lynched for far less in these games.
I really don't see why you guys are reading so much into Romanic. All he did was pressuring fluffy.
He could've posted something serious or substantial for a change.
The fact you only quoted that part of my post is interesting and makes you look even more suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Because I think Seon is more deserving of attention at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Alright, let's call her Valkyrie from now on then. I would like to agree with you because it would feel good to have caught scum already. But, honestly, after the secons failed attempt by big axe guy, GE's claims received some more credibility and at the moment I rather have him down as a townie who did a very dumb move with keeping back his information. I might be a bit biased, because I defended him on Day 1 but I think the scums have just switched who does the killing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
I agree. I was just pointing out that the general argument against him was "he's scummy". I even pointed out his bandwagon-hopping yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Umm, why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I always only quote the part of posts I'm addressing. It's scummy that I didn't quote "FoS: Zack"?
I agree, just saying it probably wouldn't have mattered either way. There is more than likely at least one scummy person on that bandwagon, even if it isn't necessarily Romanic. It was an easy lynch that honestly shouldn't have been as close as it was. It's somewhere to start looking, since we haven't come up with much else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Yes, I myself stated yesterday that I was hopping bandwagons to save myself. If that's scummy to you, so be it.
Everything else that was posted against me is bogus. If this is not so, please restate arguments, just calling me scummy won't do, or at least I hope it won't because if it will, I don't see a turnaround of the current trend in the anniversary games.
Also, I agree there is probably scum on the fluffy wagon just as on the GE wagon.
I disagree - It would have been a bad argument to accuse Fluffy of being out of character if he was only responding to the pressure. Most players are forced out of their usual style when votes are piling on them, they have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
This will only be believed by those who were too tired or unwilling to read our exchange. Obvious scum is obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this, as arguing over hypotheticals won't really help anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
People who voted for fluffy last round:
Earthling, SoulBlade, Khazaar, TLD, GH, Romanic, Johnhughthom, Double A.
People Who voted for God Emporer when he was lynched:
Zack, Renata, Beskar, Earthling, Khazaar, Warman, glyphz, DIY, Capt Blackadder, Ironside, JHT, classical, Riedquat
Overlap: Johnhughthom, Earthling
Well, you may think that I am not looking for scum, but in my opinion, I am (and I've explained this in my previous answer to you).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Also, I am pretty sure that I never "admitted" that "I don't necessarily think Fluffy is scum". Don't put words in my mouth please. :smug2:.
Of course I thought, and I still think, that Fluffy could be scum, since the writeup did not give us a clue about his true identity.
As I have already stated on some occasions, Earthling seems off to me but being on both wagons is not strong evidence for that. As Mafia I would have jumped one of them and avoided the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
Yea sure. You are either scum, in which case I will bring you down, this I swear. No matter if I get killed in the process. Or you are town and you will realise your mistake at some point, hopefully before khaan posts the game result. But let me say it again: Please post valid points that can be responded too, everything else will make me think the former about you is correct and if you are town I don't want to spend time hunting for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
vote: White Eyes
This is either a very clever joke that doesn't make me laugh or a horrible attempt at a defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
We've already been through all this and you had no defense for the accusations, why do you persist there is no case?
vote atpg
ooc: Hey all, not had opportunity to follow the game but awesome write ups, khaan.
An update on my situation, doing some last minute changes where i will visit Malmo then onwards towards Copenhagen before flying back on Sunday afternoon.
vote:Beskar for running off to Denmark.
vote: Askthepizzaguy
I will be in Austin, Texas this week at an ecology conference. I should be able to keep up with the thread and vote but don't expect any speedy replies out of me.
I wouldn't be too keen on that. The heat may melt your computer\phone (or you) and the bats may try to fly away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
If I get lynched, make sure woadANDfangs gets lynched next round, as my final request.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
None of that "lynch khaan, lynch khaan, lynch khaan, lynch khaan, lynch khaan, oh look khaan was scum. Why'd you leave him alive?"
Just kill him and be done with it. That's all I ask.
Remember Kagemusha in Animus. Just kill who I say.
Unvote, Vote: Woad&fangs.
It's a fair lead enough for me.
I'll go ahead and claim just so people have full information for this lynch:
I am a basic nothing townie. I have nothing on woad&fangs other than my own random pick and stubborn streak; didn't like his bandwagon on me is all. Otherwise I wouldn't have even pressed him harder than a reasonless vote this round.
If you want to lynch me first, or wait for woad to claim, or whatever, that's fine. I just don't like people voting for me. :wink:
That was a good game. :D
Good luck town. :bow:
Also, Earthling just invaded my mailbox pressing me for information.
I don't like that either. I just claimed publicly; that's all you'll get from me.
I sent you a message before you posted any of this and I'd say you're just wasting your time. You're not even in real danger of getting lynched yet this Blood Vengeance thing you're insisting on shouldn't be done that way and helps nobody. I agree that as far as I know there is nothing between you and woad that matters in this feud, except that you're in the way of pursuing preferred suspects for the lynch.
*sigh*:stwmean:
If I knew that this unjustified persecution (aka wagon) would persist into the next phase then Id have helped town out myself earlier, and let town focus somewhere else sooner (& let Fluffy go on w/ his antics).
Last time I'll address the 'case' Renata pointed out.You should see why I have reason to be concerned (of the trend) back then and the need to put G_E back into the spotlight.(& I've already posted my view on G_E's 'reveal')Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Other points to consider:
a) I was active much of the end of the day, but never did a vote to preserve myself. Should give you an idea of how 'important' I think of my own survival / role (of w/c I've hinted on already in a post, and to someone who inquired in private)
b) noone really put any effort to defend me or persistently try to throw suspicion somewhere else, considering the not solid at all case placed against me. Moot, if there were actually damning evidence against me.
Misc. tidbit you may want to consider
Wouldn’t scum prefer to keep fluffy around than vote him off (& thus focus on me), considering he has no intention whatsoever to analyze or contribute productively in any discussion (& even admitted to it). So instead of focusing on the fluffy wagon, try to check the ones jumping on mine.
Yeah, that post is going to do the exact opposite of comforting people. So you're implying you're a neutral/third party of some sort? I do doubt you are one of the killers, but that doesn't really help your lynch prospects.
Neutral/third party?Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
No, not what I was hinting to at all.
I'll give ya another helping hand.
*Points to post arguing w/ Zack*
Well if the claim is that you're another basic townie that doesn't help us out, because it's unverifiable right now, and indicates very little was meaningful about whatever you said to anyone in private. Otherwise your grand case defending yourself is a lot of filler.
Every scum can pretty much pretend they are a basic townie here, and keep pretending so after death too because they won't be revealed. Not a bombshell, but I'm just saying I don't think this is helping you out.
Indeed. I'm not expecting people to just take my word for it .
(edit: and also why i'm hinting on it rather than proclaiming)
What you're saying is exactly what I was telling Zack earlier.
Why I posted that in my defense is, as I've mentioned, related to how I did not try preserve myself last vote phase (despite my vote could've been very influential to the result) & what I thought of my own importance to town & how damaging my lynch would be for town
Come talk to me when I don't have a pile of dead scums a mile high based on this exact behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
I'm in the way?Quote:
except that you're in the way of pursuing preferred suspects for the lynch.
I don't know what that means exactly, but I'm sure it makes sense in your head.
This was neither. It was no joke and it was no defense because for a whole while you haven't posted anything to defend against. This was merely a declaration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
I replied to all your points and if you still think there is something that needs an answer, please restate it.
Interesting case. Brilliant analysis. Outsanding reasoning and flawless logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
I'd like to hear more.
vote:Zack He could be scummy, but I am not convinced on anyone right now.
More deserving of attention than yourself perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
In any case, so you think that GE was town because he:
1. Claimed he needed time to see whether the situation called for revealing and how much should be revealed
2. Followed this up by contradicting himself and claiming to be a basic townie, and coming up with a flimsy defense to try and deflect this fact
3. At first implied/soft claimed a pro-town role at point 1, despite the fact that it would be imbalanced for him to be a pro-town role because of a very simple fact (almost every single time, but I see no reason for that to be disproved now) that pro-town roles do not survive night kills, it is not balanced.
The underline section indicates you actually believed he had something to reveal, but fact of the matter is that he implied being a pro-town role, quickly changed his story that he was a basic townie, then (Point 3 above) was pointed out at which case he stopped referencing to that area of his defense probably realizing the inconsistencies would be further pointed out and emphasized.
Your current attempts to back off smells more like you trying to save your scum partner and the :daisy: hitting the fan because he got lynched anyway and you got cast into the spotlight momentarily and now you're trying to deflect attention elsewhere and play down your efforts to save GE (and vice versa defending) despite his obvious scummyness.
Moreover, you clearly have been reading the thread as indicated to your replies by Believer, yet you've not responded to this post I made:
I merely said:
To which you replied within the same hour:Quote:
Vote: TLD
Hello.
Despite the fact that as I mentioned in a later post:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
I'd most certainly like to think that you thought that someone had been speaking in private to me about something that you've done, or something that might have implicated you as scum and you were trying to buy time to come up with a decent explanation before decided it could be ignored to play it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death is yonder
Vote: TLD
Why isn't he lynched yet?
In any case, glyphz reaction doesn't seem that scummy, compared to his behavior in Midgard when he was Jotun (can't put my finger on it, but it does feel pretty dissimilar) and I'm inclined to believe that TLD is someone who needs to be looked at first (more so than glyphz at least).
vote: glyphz
Not convinced by his defense anymore, he's only defending, not trying to find Scum, I'm reading some vague answers that could be left to interpretation and he has not voted yet.
Also if GE was scum, then Renata casting the 2nd vote on GE is good enough to follow her.
I don't understand what you're getting at completely. My vote for you was certainly a joke since I switched it as soon as I said something serious and your case was "Hello". Believe it or not.
Your "case" is based off the assumption that I was trying to imply something with my vote on you and the statement "let me think, which I didn't.
glypz isn't scummy enough for you? Vote Seon then.
1) can someone post a tally please?
2) Khaan can you end the rounds at an hour when more people are awake please?
^^ At the time of your vote on atpg yesterday, Glypzh was on the lead for 5 votes and TLD and Seon only had 2 votes on them... I can't help more, its Monday's morning and I'm half sleep in the office wanting to be somewhere else...
Ok, I had just to wake up at some time...
Glyphz: 6 votes (Believer, Chaotix, Dcmort, Johnhughthom, Renata, Romanic)
Atpg: 3 votes (Khazaar, Woad&fangs, Yaropolk)
TheLastDays: 3 votes (Choxorn, Earthling, Diy)
Seon: 2 votes (Diamondeye, TLD)
Woad&fangs: 2 votes (Atpg, Seon)
White Eyes: 1 vote (Secura)
Beskar: 1 vote (Beskar)
Double A: 1 vote (GH)
Romanic: 1 vote (Zach)
Vote:AskthePizzaGuy
Never got my pizza.
I don't like any of the top 3 options. I say we should try and see if can lynch W&F instead, or perhaps Believer.
Vote: W&F
You coming to Denmark? Cool :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
What is this? :stare:
Vote: TLD
You are missing my vote on Zack, not Zach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Care to tell us what you're getting at and how it warrants a vote on me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
You are correct about the vote, but wrong about the name! Look at khan's player list, who I am to dispute him? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by classical_hero
Glyphz: 6 votes (Believer, Chaotix, Dcmort, Johnhughthom, Renata, Romanic)
Atpg: 4 votes (Khazaar, Woad&fangs, Yaropolk, warman)
TheLastDays: 4 votes (Choxorn, Earthling, Diy, Riedquat)
Seon: 2 votes (Diamondeye, TLD)
Woad&fangs: 2 votes (Atpg, Seon)
White Eyes: 1 vote (Secura)
Beskar: 1 vote (Beskar)
Double A: 1 vote (GH)
Romanic: 1 vote (Zach or Zack)
Zach or Zack: 1 vote (classical_hero)
:clown:
The link, just to show DE has already voted.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
The vote on you, I already gave my flawed reasons earlier, didn't I? Lets call it, general scumminess, in your favor I must say today has been your less scummy day so far.
Oh, thanks. Unvote, vote: W&F. Betters?
Always remember to bunvote!
I don't know who this 'Zach' fellow is.
@classical_hero: "He could be scummy?" Really?
It is true Diamondeye has pointed out one of two ways to end a pointless feud between two players. But the second seems better and more manageable right now, plus I still don't like a glyphz lynch.
unvote; vote: ATPG
Vote: glyphzQuote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
should have done this last round. Though I'm still open to switch to another, preferablt TLD, if someone decides to start a late trend.
Nah, disregard my last sentence. Even if I lived this phase, I'll probably lynched off next phase. Let my blood appease the masses, though I suggest keeping an eye on 'em
Did a double check on the tally, looks good. 40 minutes left.
Glyphz 7 (Glyphz, Renata, Believer, dcmort, chaotix, johnhughtom, Romanic)
ATPG 5 (woad&fangs, Yaropolk, Khazaar, warman, Earthling)
TheLastDays 3(Choxorn, DiY, Riedquat)
Woad&fangs 3 (Diamondey, ATPG, Seon)
Seon 1 (TLD)
Romanic 1 (Zack)
Double A (GH)
White eyes (Secura)
Beskar 1 (Beskar)(
Zack 1 (Classical Hero)
Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy
I'm not happy at all that none of my attackers have made a comment/discussion of any significance about my defense (and even much in general, shouldn't that say something about how strong the case against me is?), and instead have lurked and kept their silence, particularly Renata.
(is it bec it's a monday?)
I would have simply told the remaining town to check out those who were merely jumping in on her case (& still ask town to do so), but her silence and lack of response as the head of my prosecution is weird in my opinion. Not a fair trial at all. I thought she'd at least try to justify her case further or at least pick apart my defense.
Makes me wonder if she finally got the role she ws looking for back at sign-ups?
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix