oh my, how could you get so much movement points? :|
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oh my, how could you get so much movement points? :|
Okay, now I admire your magic. XD
I needed 1 more movement point to reach the 2nd fort, maybe I wasn't doing it right. :(
Sonnet your time almost up ! why you don t post the save already ?. oh i forgot you are playing with Egypt too??
Save sent to Tonno.
Kermanshah taken, Alamut under siege.
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Also another minor battle has been fought near Alamut with odds largerly in my favor (a full stack vs few unit, if requested I can prvide a ss with similar results)
Core-i7-inside has been offered Kwarezm , after Yuonyuon kept asking more and more time (we started with 12 hours, the extended to 15, then to 20 and last request was for a whole day threatening every time to leave/not play, every time changing his time's availability/requests).
So that s it. Sonnet kick me out because i beat him very badly this turn .and the situation is getting worse for him if i continue as result he played Core save and ignore mine since he was the one that asked me to play as Kwarezmians.
but another thing i have to say that DR MAC was lost 3 stack by cheating and poor guy he didn t even know .Sonnet broke several rules and one of the maxim importance is writen with red:
- You can't besiege a settlement/fort to prevent the garrison to reinforce an army next to it.
in this way he took Bagdad .https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053609383
I didn't kick you out, you said you were out unless I gave you 24hrs
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About me losing, is actually quite the contrary: with your moves you condemened kwarezm to lose Alamut (which you could have saved by not bribing my army and using the money to recruit the elephant mercenary which instead I now recruited.. :bow:). And you know that because
you just got my pm before writing this post. So you;re making this fuss to get away from the HS, trying to masquerade the fact that you're the one losing. Despite your 20 hours of reloading, you still couldn't come up with a good strategy. And this is hurting your feelings it seems.
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About Baghdad:
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But anyone can contact the admin for complaints.
why you send me IN PM that i m out and you used Core save ??
Also there is no admin here , your cheat is so obvious , i don even understand that nobody can t see that
about the forts that is the biggest crap i ever see from you lately.:
1 there are only 2 forts
2 if it was one or 2 there is no difference if you had SIEGE WEAPONS in the first place
look i clearly don t have time for this . you force me to respond every time at your useless comments . and i didn t know you win against DR Mac by cheating until now . so don t fell like a challenge playing against you
also at Alamut i have 33 units mostly good units and elite you have 20 fking archers and a unit of elephants . do the math.
lets face it if i continue playing you lose .
More lies..lets admire the elite units yuoyuon will deploy to defeat my 1 and a half stack..
A powerful mix of Turkoman archers, spear militia and archer militia..all lead by a super general..
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About the forts: I obviously had not siege weapons. Another lie from you.So that changed everything.
And it's funny you're the ones saying forts rule breaking is not that important..
You left BFE because Themzr broke the fort's rule :
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post13818552
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post13854550
Something you you deemed so important that kept spamming the thread about it over and over,even after you left..
The save was played this morning while I was still waiting your answer (as showed in the pms) and after I made the last attempt to make you happy by extending your time up to 20:00 pm.
I can play whatever save, to me makes no difference. But even then..if I played Core-i7 you surely would have accused me of being scared of your amazing and wonderful moves.. :bow:
Just to clear things out, since yuon has great mind powers and ability to read my mind, I state in full awareness that lyeing is considered a sin and that if a immortal soul becomes one in identity with such a sin, then that soul condemns it's self on eternity of sadness and darkness. That said I, Tonno, claim that never ever in this HS invicta, or anyother player, played Egypts turns instead of me.
In other, normal, news. I joined Jihad... for resons... nothing personal Jiub. :2thumbsup:
Come on guys, just stop fighting and relax. :yes:
Unfortunately I'll be away another week. Sorry :(
it appears sonnet accidentally broke the rules on this save. He should replay the turn in a way that does not break the rules. That will necessitate Tonno replaying his turn. If that is a major problem for him he should pm myth and myself.
Both sonnet and he will get a full turn length in which to replay their turns.
If this has happened in the past as well, that is a separate issue that we can discuss separately. Past violations could be accounted for by in game penalties or by going back and replaying if all players who would need to agree to replay their turns.
I don't have problems with replaying, but I will warn that it can cause some great changes in the game play.
Is that the final verdict?
Here is my last offer : replaying is not an option since it was happened couple turns in the past . also i don t care if he will be fined or no.
As for kwarezmian i can t continue since Sonnet played Core save. and i will explain why : i did some moves that next turn persian will be in a very good position (i m 10000% sure ) , while Core miss to defeat another 3500 men and defend Alamut also miss the opportunity to defend Basra , that means next turn i m defeated , so you can turn faction AI (another victory of the master tactician)
i don t see myself another turn here , clearly we cannot keep things civil here with so many false accusations . i m not a lier and i don t have to accept tones of crap just because i beat a player in the game .here is only the fault of admins and moderators because they permit insults and cheats .
invicta you are not a good player only a scamer . that's the truth . no master tactician lose two stacks in one turn , not even a noob.
if i played next turn you had been lose double . my mission is done .you call me here and now you kick me out FOR NO REASON/ caling me a liar. i thought you are better than that , otherwise i never come back .
you force me to play a turn that i never seen in 30 minutes and then you have 12 hours to do your , in the past you took 2 days .
good luck everybody !
here are the messages that i receive from invicta
Pls stop lying.
I played your save, as i repeated multiple times
and you went mad when you got my answer about losing Alamut and the terrible mistakes you made..
About the accusations..
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Repeating your lies won't make it true.
About the time assigned to you
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more lies !!
the screen shots are from Core save !! clearly , that is not my save you played !
don t mix the gameplay with more crap and expect to come clean on the other side , you invited me here again , as i asked you if you want help on admining part sub or other things .
can you stop making me a liar for no reason , last time when someone insulted you , you wanted to leave the game . so can you be a reasonable person??
I m done with you , making me lair over and over again means that you have no dignity at all . as you ca see i never lied on this forum
what i was asked was 4 hours like everybody else to play my turn , and what you did :? yo post crap !
i told you the day before that im not avaible in the morning , only after 16:00 so that means after work , but you have to figure out that i reach home maybe a little later , yo can just spam me to play in a 30 minutes , my first turn .anyway i did that in less than 2 hours , but after me is your turn so that means from 22:00 -to 10:00 next day 12 hours and i didn t say nothing , you are just a corrupt player that all
i m wasting my time . it was a good fight though .
@yuonyuon stop it. You fall into contemp even more..
Can an admin check which save was used so we can end this? ( although we all know the result)
@Nightbringer @Myth : can you pls check which save has been used?
To do that you should simply load Castille save, which you can download here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attac...4&d=1408882874
, and enable toggle_fow and check the area of Yerevan
Core-i7-inside save will look like this (one fort with a full stack of Turkish armies and one with a full stack of Kwarezmian armies southern of Yerevan):
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Yuonyuon save will look like that (one one fort with a full stack of Kwarezmian units)
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This way we will know for sure who's the one lying and launching baseless accusations just to cover up the fact that he's losing.
Can we stop this and invicta can you manage a time frame between 16:00-00:00 .i will be very grateful if you can do this :yes or not?
also can i still play? yes or no?
these are simple questions not lies.
the SS you posted are from Core save .i have one unit in kermanshah , in you screen are more than one unit that conclude that you played core save.
if is not true then your SS are wrong!.......... why did you post them anyway .
tavix you are not helping this in any way. i m part of this HS too.
If no one is against that, and doesn't ask to extend his own time-frame based on that, I guess yes.Quote:
Can we stop this and invicta can you manage a time frame between 16:00-00:00 .i will be very grateful if you can do this :yes or not?
But you'll get your save at 16:00 and not earlier (since you claimed you wouldn't be able to play it anyway).
You can play if you accept the time that will be assigned to you (see above, if no one is against then yes)Quote:
also can i still play? yes or no?
You had actually 3 units.Quote:
the SS you posted are from Core save .i have one unit in kermanshah , in you screen are more than one unit that conclude that you played core save.
if is not true then your SS are wrong!.......... why did you post them anyway .
tavix you are not helping this in any way. i m part of this HS too.
Probably you reloaded so much that you got confused and forgot to make the move.
Unfortunately heavy reloading has his cons..
Hi guys, I've been asked by invicta to join this hotseat, and I'm interested.
This would be my first hotseat, and this is also my first post on the org. I have however played quite a lot of hours of Total War games, although never truly being an expert.
Hi, I'm Invicta (here i use the nickname sonnet as you see).
I'll contact you by pm to fill you in about what you need to know. @puddingkip will take over the Moors as Ebs warned me to find a replacement within 2 turns as he's busy with work.
Pls update the time frame for Kwarezm , so i know if i can play! NOW!!!!!
YO!
I'm the sentry Inquisitor here!
Glad to see you in joining the HS melee fight fight of steel and balls.
@sonnet
have you talked to Nightbringer about the save's being replayed, or you will just og with it?
Nightbringer told me in PM that he don t understand what happened . and he asked me to replay witch is useless, at the end of the day i conclude that we don t have any admin powers here , also myth didn t reply in any way .
case closed !
all i want is my time frame!!!!! , after all he defeat 3 stack by broke he own rules . that will never happen if he played like a master .
- You can't besiege a settlement/fort to prevent the garrison to reinforce an army next to it." he besiege Baghdad , and attacked armies one at the time . in TWC mithridate was banned 3 months for broke a rule like that , he took a city with catapult instead to use a trebuchet .
also reloading is allowed , where is my time frame gain???? invicta i just one to hear two things :
my time frame (somewere between 16:00-00:00 +2GM), or "get out from this HS"
How i am not helping? I provided a good solution to end your drama.
the problem is that i have no time frame. can you come up with a decent one??
also i m available only between 16:00-00:00 , and i need 4 hours like everybody else . since is a fast HS i need to know from now so i don t hold up this HS when my turn comes.
because i can t play at night . the smart thing to o is change the time frame of moors so i get from 21:00-00:00.
after all is not my fault that i don t live in america .
BTW Moors should also not be allowed to call the jihad since they don't have the highest piety imam.
-Jihads: whenever a Jihad is available to be called, any Muslim faction can ask to have it called. However it will be the faction with the imam with the highest piety to call it,
and decide the target. If 2 or more Muslim factions have their best imam with the same level of piety, it will be the one with the second best imam to call it..and so on.
@Lord Luka
We use the rule for conflicts. If the player having the right to call it give it away, then there's no problem with it.
This is a message I sent to Dux about BTD last year, when he wanted to call the Jihad (Jihad called against Sicily around turn 87 or such, my ally, so I was saying that against my interest):
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Basically I told him that in the last sentence that if other players had nothing against that, he could call the jihad even if he had not the imam with the highest piety.
The same goes with the Crusades, as long as there's a majority holding the votes wanting the same target and as long as there's no conflict about who has to call it.
As Jihad/Crusades are powerful tools in a HS, and the first in the turn would be always the one who can call it without consulting others, I put such rule to determine who has the right to call it. That person can waive his right if he wants to (like for instance he might not want to join it,
or he might not want to join it first to not get on the target too soon, before his allies get there).
Hello. Looks like I will need more time before I get settled in my new place, and i'm also very busy.
Since ebs is not available, i'll have Tonno do the subbing.
Subbing in a few minuts... sorry busy day @ ma Krib
@sonnet That is not what the rules say.The rules are very clear about the procedure for Jihad/Crusade calls so as far as i am concerned your action was against the rules as they are. It would also be nice to know what rule braking @Nightbringer had in mind and what will the the consequences be.And one more thing.If a faction looses it's Jihad/Crusading army can that faction join with a new army?
France @Jiub is up.
Pics in a bit.
I was mistaken. i thought this had occurred on this turn of sonnet's. Since it occurred several turns ago there will simply be a financial fine.
Yuonyuon, your save was used.
the next person to call someone a liar is getting a warning. If they do it again, an infraction.
If you all cannot act towards one another in a civil manner I am going to start deleting posts. If you keep it up, I will delete any content in posts that is not strictly required by the rules (links to saves and screenshots)
Guys i thought i mentioned this but: i'm at the beach and won't be available until Sunday. Maybe even Monday.
Looks like good ol NB is handling the mess just fine.
Teutons up!
The Moors had sacked the holy city of Rome and murdered our diplomat. They will regret this. :thumbsdown:
Norway : https://www.mediafire.com/?05k3i7gqvk84t19
After years and years of preparations the unbreakable fortress of Hamburg has fallen to us. And with it probably the last HRE defence in the north.
Now the danger comes from the east..
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwjO...VMVmYyU2s/edit
Who on Earth puts his armies like that... is he trying to get defeated on purpose or what :disgust:
And damn the smileys on this site are useless...
Moors up
This HS become sloooow!
Blablabla I need posts in order to allow me to post links
This one will already contain my screenshots
Blablabla I need posts in order to allow me to post links 2
http://www.filedropper.com/showdownload.php/rckharezm12
Here's the save.
I killed his holiness pope fuckface and trained my assasin a bit + defeated a minor french fleet
where is the save ???
edit: @puddingkip your link is broken!
@yuonyuon the link is working,
http://www.filedropper.com/rckharezm12
don't really understand what's your problem..
just a small ship battle on the Caspian sea
@sonnet up!
Save sent via pm.
Alamut fell,. I'll post ss with story tomorrow.
I think it's time to say GG for yu. XD
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Strategy lesson:
Lets start with the basic: the prey and the bait
The Sutan's Visir: Sultan why are you dividing your armies, by sending reinforcements to Tabriz and pushing through Basra? I'd suggest you to reconsider..those are secondary and unimportant targets. To win this was we need to push and take their best military centre, Alamut. We need that, because currently all the reinforcements to our troops are coming from Diyarbakir or even further than that, taking 4 years at least to reach us. If we don't take Alamut we'll stay at disadvantage and loose the position within 2-3 years if not earlier.
Sultan Sonnet:You fool! And why do you think I divided our troops..then?
The Sutan's Visir:I don't understand..concentrating our effort in Alamut is the solution.
Sultan Sonnet:what I'm doing it's called 'distraction'. Had I focused all the armies in direction of Alamut,
our enemy would have done the same. What's worse is that the armies I send as a distraction, couldn't have reached Alamut this year (turn 11) either way, so they would have been useless, while the enemy would have been able to put more armies in the range of Alamut this year, making it easy to defend it. He would have also been able (due to our inability to put it under siege) to recruit 4 additional elite units.
We had a very small opportunity to take Alamut, and to achieve that we needed some distraction. Because see, strategy is the same as in a chess board: you sacrifice some pawns to let you advance the valuable pieces through your real goal. But to make it work, we needed to give the enemy something he could really byte and chew. Give him some realistic illusion that he could accomplish something.
Because if he realizes what's going on, he could immediately retreat everything from the poor and unimportant Tabriz to defend the strategical Alamut. That's why I needed to give him soenthing to not let him understand what's really going on. By giving him our 2 armies in Yerevan's area, he'll keep his 2 stacks there and not get in the range of Alamut this year. Same goes for Basra: we keep an army there, he will keep many units there. All we need is to buy time for this year, so that we can safely put Alamut under siege and make it fall next year.
The Sutan's Visir: you really thought everything through..but how did you know the Shah's would have took the bait so easily?
Sultan Sonnet: Greediness and incompetence.. You give people the illusion they can take something easily and 'for free', no matter how small, and they'll forget abut everything else..they'll forget about what's really important for them. They won't even consider if they really really want or it will benefit what you're offering them. You can give poison for free and many people will still drink it..
Kwarezm could have still easily defended its empire if they focused on defending Alamut rather than wasting resources on Tabriz (which gave them only 1k income).Their empire could still make 35k and probably more if they managed to snatch more lands from the Mongols.
With such an income they could have easily deployed six defensive armies in Alamut area defending basically their whole empire (going for Basra would have been unfeasible regardless of how many units they put on defence, as to make a serious attempt we should have deployed at least 3 armies, but then we would have exposed our central area to attacks). Because see the map (2 turns ago when I deployed my strategy to take Alamut):
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Oncce they lost Tabriz, they could focus everything on Alamut. From there ,all they had to do was follow the movements of our armies.
Considering our handicap (as we need to keep many armies on our western borders too) they could have even taken the upper hand in a few years. That's why we needed to taint them with an easy prey..the bait..you give away the bait, and you 'll get a bigger fish!
The Sutan's Visir: but what if Yerevan falls?
Sultan Sonnet: You still don't understand..do you? Yerevan won't fall. We just sold the shah the illusion that it'll fall. We have enough reinforcements on the way to prevent the fall of the city.
But even if it fell..so what? Yerevan and the whole Caucasus is totally unimportant to us, and them. Those regions are undeveloped and extremely poor. There's nothing to gain here..or to lose. Distracting the Kwarezmian forces with armies there, was important only to not let Kwarezmian deploy 4 full stacks in Alamut's area (since 4 armies is the maximum number of stacks that can be deployed in defensive formation in the open).
The Sutan's Visir: so what will be next?..I mean after we take Alamut.
Sultan Sonnet: Oh..next, lets not anticipate everything for now..This will be fr the next strategy lesson.
In the meanwhile, send a letter to the Shah Yuonyuon. Tell him to not fear for his life: with his unique talent he'll always be welcome to our court as..jester :clown:
The entertainment's corner (aka best quotes of the Shah Yuonyuon in the last week):
Best quotes of the week:
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Here's the ss of Alamut
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Also a little fort has been taken in Yerevan (forgot to take the ss result. The siege weapon used has been disbanded)
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Added ss of turn 10 with explanation of my strategy
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And here's another basic lesson: always ask yourself why your opponent makes certain moves and what's his real goal.
As I moved one army south, in direction of Basra, the Shah should have asked himself what was my real goal, since he could easily block that army with a fort (even 2) as it had no siege weapons.
Even if I just wanted to defeat the FL and FH, the cavalry and general were enough for the task (even the ss of my victories hinted that..another major fail in paying attention) and I should have moved the infantry north, to reinforce the other armies, rather than keep following the general..
I did that, to keep as many units as possible there, as also his best general (2 stars, the one he had to use this turn to try to lift the siege in Alamut had 0 stars..) was forced to lose his mov.points to build the fort to protect Basra. All this should have hinted the Shah my real goal, and that everything else was being used as pawns to take Alamut before he could put enough defences.
Reloading battles, heavy scouting or simulating mov.points doesn't make anyone a pro in strategy: it just shows how much time is wasted in a turn. Thinking and counteracting your opponent's in a way like above, is how a strategist think.
Do not forget that you defeated DR Mac by cheating and still you didn t explain to me why your infantry from the fort had extra +2 mov.points because that wast the difference ,
Losing 2 stacks is no strategy at all .you are going to lose that anyway . the army from Tabriz cold not reach Alamut.
at Alamut all i get was a defeat with 1400 men dead and your 5 stars general dead ,because the extra army.
Considering i started with no units around Alamut last turn , the war is not over .
can you explain this: why i can t reach your fort and you can reach Alamut?
More accusations from someone badly losing :dizzy2: (the one about me using Core-i7 save, or playing Tonnp's saves wasn't enough, or you never get tired of it?)..about the mov.points see below.
You got an answer..but obviously you conveniently ignore it..
I was the one unjustly affected by the breaking of rules as explained here.
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Making new quotes...?:laugh4: Did't you get enough of what you wrote above? :clown:
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Explained previously that already.. if you didn't bribe the army in Yerevan you would had recruited the elephant unit which i wouldn't then recruited. You having the elephant unit and me not having it, would have made the difference with some heavy realoading you're expert into.
Your choice was losing Tabriz or Alamut. Losing Tabriz was a much better choice (for many reasons, which i'd explain, but I think you can hardly understand..) and by keeping Alamut and saving the armies in the North, slowly you would had regained what you lost.
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Again Alamut could be easily defended..but thanks to your lack of strategy I now enjoy it.
I used a magic spell (quoting you..https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053611135).. lol lol. :laugh4:Quote:
can you explain this: why i can t reach your fort and you can reach Alamut?
For a more boring serious answer..
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good news . so we all can cheat in good faith?
i point out that you cheated and you told me that dr mac made extra fort , then booth of us should be fined .
no strategist win battles by cheating that s my opinion.
i know you are in comfortable position (earned like always)having all neighbors allies and they give you tones of money and all of that , because nobody have the courage to play the game at the highest level. but i m here to give a fight. the game is not over!
i guess that was my mistake! not paying attention of a simple fact .Quote:
Posting this just to avoid some new stupid accusation of someone badly losing.
In case you still didn't figure it out the difference is that the army in Alamut to move out of the Fortress in direction of the fort, need to move in diagonal -which waste about 1.5 mov point tiles- while I move always linearly to get out of the fort-
I don't know if it's too complicated for you to understand how I wrote it, but can't explain it any clearer than that.
Another major fail.. one turn earlier I even moved back that army in the fort after the victory over the Kwarezm army. Would you lose less time in reloading/scouting and more into thinking..maybe you would figure it out some more useful things..
it happens that as was my first time seeing the kwarezm turn .
anyway my next plan is better .
Cities can be taken with share force but when you are going to defeat one of my stacks you can call a good player . until then keep doing your thing.
edit: not worthy..
@yuonyuon learn to lose mate :bow:
Ive seen smth on twc that Auran is missing and he needs subs in all his hotseats.
well if i knew that army can get that extra mov points ,then is no strategy at all , not even the elephants could save me, as you show my armies are crap . all these post are just to fell better by yourself after you lost 6000 men and 4 good general .
when was you r last time when you lose so many men , also you really did a big mistake and i wont tell you , even i badly can keep it secret
next turn you will see how thing are done in a HS .
Your armies were crap...? :dizzy2:
But you said you had elite units..
And no..the elephant made the difference..when loading the previous turn I was already giggling knowing I would have seen some stupid move. An elephant unit is worth 8 average unit. So me having -8 units and you having +8 unit would have made the difference. You're just in denial in accepting that you're not capable of thinking strategically and trying to justify all your mistakes.
@Gaius Octavius Caesar : I think he gave his pswd to Core-i7-inside
subbbbbbbed.
That army..