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Alamut fell,. I'll post ss with story tomorrow.
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Alamut fell,. I'll post ss with story tomorrow.
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I think it's time to say GG for yu. XD
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Strategy lesson:
Lets start with the basic: the prey and the bait
The Sutan's Visir: Sultan why are you dividing your armies, by sending reinforcements to Tabriz and pushing through Basra? I'd suggest you to reconsider..those are secondary and unimportant targets. To win this was we need to push and take their best military centre, Alamut. We need that, because currently all the reinforcements to our troops are coming from Diyarbakir or even further than that, taking 4 years at least to reach us. If we don't take Alamut we'll stay at disadvantage and loose the position within 2-3 years if not earlier.
Sultan Sonnet:You fool! And why do you think I divided our troops..then?
The Sutan's Visir:I don't understand..concentrating our effort in Alamut is the solution.
Sultan Sonnet:what I'm doing it's called 'distraction'. Had I focused all the armies in direction of Alamut,
our enemy would have done the same. What's worse is that the armies I send as a distraction, couldn't have reached Alamut this year (turn 11) either way, so they would have been useless, while the enemy would have been able to put more armies in the range of Alamut this year, making it easy to defend it. He would have also been able (due to our inability to put it under siege) to recruit 4 additional elite units.
We had a very small opportunity to take Alamut, and to achieve that we needed some distraction. Because see, strategy is the same as in a chess board: you sacrifice some pawns to let you advance the valuable pieces through your real goal. But to make it work, we needed to give the enemy something he could really byte and chew. Give him some realistic illusion that he could accomplish something.
Because if he realizes what's going on, he could immediately retreat everything from the poor and unimportant Tabriz to defend the strategical Alamut. That's why I needed to give him soenthing to not let him understand what's really going on. By giving him our 2 armies in Yerevan's area, he'll keep his 2 stacks there and not get in the range of Alamut this year. Same goes for Basra: we keep an army there, he will keep many units there. All we need is to buy time for this year, so that we can safely put Alamut under siege and make it fall next year.
The Sutan's Visir: you really thought everything through..but how did you know the Shah's would have took the bait so easily?
Sultan Sonnet: Greediness and incompetence.. You give people the illusion they can take something easily and 'for free', no matter how small, and they'll forget abut everything else..they'll forget about what's really important for them. They won't even consider if they really really want or it will benefit what you're offering them. You can give poison for free and many people will still drink it..
Kwarezm could have still easily defended its empire if they focused on defending Alamut rather than wasting resources on Tabriz (which gave them only 1k income).Their empire could still make 35k and probably more if they managed to snatch more lands from the Mongols.
With such an income they could have easily deployed six defensive armies in Alamut area defending basically their whole empire (going for Basra would have been unfeasible regardless of how many units they put on defence, as to make a serious attempt we should have deployed at least 3 armies, but then we would have exposed our central area to attacks). Because see the map (2 turns ago when I deployed my strategy to take Alamut):
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Oncce they lost Tabriz, they could focus everything on Alamut. From there ,all they had to do was follow the movements of our armies.
Considering our handicap (as we need to keep many armies on our western borders too) they could have even taken the upper hand in a few years. That's why we needed to taint them with an easy prey..the bait..you give away the bait, and you 'll get a bigger fish!
The Sutan's Visir: but what if Yerevan falls?
Sultan Sonnet: You still don't understand..do you? Yerevan won't fall. We just sold the shah the illusion that it'll fall. We have enough reinforcements on the way to prevent the fall of the city.
But even if it fell..so what? Yerevan and the whole Caucasus is totally unimportant to us, and them. Those regions are undeveloped and extremely poor. There's nothing to gain here..or to lose. Distracting the Kwarezmian forces with armies there, was important only to not let Kwarezmian deploy 4 full stacks in Alamut's area (since 4 armies is the maximum number of stacks that can be deployed in defensive formation in the open).
The Sutan's Visir: so what will be next?..I mean after we take Alamut.
Sultan Sonnet: Oh..next, lets not anticipate everything for now..This will be fr the next strategy lesson.
In the meanwhile, send a letter to the Shah Yuonyuon. Tell him to not fear for his life: with his unique talent he'll always be welcome to our court as..jester
The entertainment's corner (aka best quotes of the Shah Yuonyuon in the last week):
Best quotes of the week:
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Here's the ss of Alamut
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Also a little fort has been taken in Yerevan (forgot to take the ss result. The siege weapon used has been disbanded)
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Last edited by sonnet; 08-30-2014 at 10:49.
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Added ss of turn 10 with explanation of my strategy
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And here's another basic lesson: always ask yourself why your opponent makes certain moves and what's his real goal.
As I moved one army south, in direction of Basra, the Shah should have asked himself what was my real goal, since he could easily block that army with a fort (even 2) as it had no siege weapons.
Even if I just wanted to defeat the FL and FH, the cavalry and general were enough for the task (even the ss of my victories hinted that..another major fail in paying attention) and I should have moved the infantry north, to reinforce the other armies, rather than keep following the general..
I did that, to keep as many units as possible there, as also his best general (2 stars, the one he had to use this turn to try to lift the siege in Alamut had 0 stars..) was forced to lose his mov.points to build the fort to protect Basra. All this should have hinted the Shah my real goal, and that everything else was being used as pawns to take Alamut before he could put enough defences.
Reloading battles, heavy scouting or simulating mov.points doesn't make anyone a pro in strategy: it just shows how much time is wasted in a turn. Thinking and counteracting your opponent's in a way like above, is how a strategist think.
Last edited by sonnet; 08-30-2014 at 10:48.
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Do not forget that you defeated DR Mac by cheating and still you didn t explain to me why your infantry from the fort had extra +2 mov.points because that wast the difference ,
Losing 2 stacks is no strategy at all .you are going to lose that anyway . the army from Tabriz cold not reach Alamut.
at Alamut all i get was a defeat with 1400 men dead and your 5 stars general dead ,because the extra army.
Considering i started with no units around Alamut last turn , the war is not over .
can you explain this: why i can t reach your fort and you can reach Alamut?
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More accusations from someone badly losingOriginally Posted by yuonyuon
(the one about me using Core-i7 save, or playing Tonnp's saves wasn't enough, or you never get tired of it?)..about the mov.points see below.
You got an answer..but obviously you conveniently ignore it..
I was the one unjustly affected by the breaking of rules as explained here.
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Making new quotes...?Did't you get enough of what you wrote above?
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Explained previously that already.. if you didn't bribe the army in Yerevan you would had recruited the elephant unit which i wouldn't then recruited. You having the elephant unit and me not having it, would have made the difference with some heavy realoading you're expert into.
Your choice was losing Tabriz or Alamut. Losing Tabriz was a much better choice (for many reasons, which i'd explain, but I think you can hardly understand..) and by keeping Alamut and saving the armies in the North, slowly you would had regained what you lost.
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Again Alamut could be easily defended..but thanks to your lack of strategy I now enjoy it.
I used a magic spell (quoting you..https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053611135).. lol lol.can you explain this: why i can t reach your fort and you can reach Alamut?
For a more boring serious answer..
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Last edited by sonnet; 08-30-2014 at 11:29.
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good news . so we all can cheat in good faith?
i point out that you cheated and you told me that dr mac made extra fort , then booth of us should be fined .
no strategist win battles by cheating that s my opinion.
i know you are in comfortable position (earned like always)having all neighbors allies and they give you tones of money and all of that , because nobody have the courage to play the game at the highest level. but i m here to give a fight. the game is not over!
Last edited by yuonyuon; 08-30-2014 at 11:39.
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To bad Durex isn't here...
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i guess that was my mistake! not paying attention of a simple fact .Posting this just to avoid some new stupid accusation of someone badly losing.
In case you still didn't figure it out the difference is that the army in Alamut to move out of the Fortress in direction of the fort, need to move in diagonal -which waste about 1.5 mov point tiles- while I move always linearly to get out of the fort-
I don't know if it's too complicated for you to understand how I wrote it, but can't explain it any clearer than that.
Another major fail.. one turn earlier I even moved back that army in the fort after the victory over the Kwarezm army. Would you lose less time in reloading/scouting and more into thinking..maybe you would figure it out some more useful things..
it happens that as was my first time seeing the kwarezm turn .
anyway my next plan is better .
Cities can be taken with share force but when you are going to defeat one of my stacks you can call a good player . until then keep doing your thing.
Last edited by yuonyuon; 08-30-2014 at 11:38.
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I'll save that for a future strategy's lesson, although I won't explain you now why.
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everybody was here if the rules were respected , it could be a very interactive HS .
To bad Durex isn't here...
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edit: not worthy..
Last edited by sonnet; 08-30-2014 at 11:47.
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@yuonyuon learn to lose mate
Ive seen smth on twc that Auran is missing and he needs subs in all his hotseats.
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well if i knew that army can get that extra mov points ,then is no strategy at all , not even the elephants could save me, as you show my armies are crap . all these post are just to fell better by yourself after you lost 6000 men and 4 good general .
when was you r last time when you lose so many men , also you really did a big mistake and i wont tell you , even i badly can keep it secret
next turn you will see how thing are done in a HS .
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you see me quitting??@yuonyuon learn to lose mate
Ive seen smth on twc that Auran is missing and he needs subs in all his hotseats.
I will fight to the end>! fair!
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Re-read my post, when i said you re quitting? And i admire you for that, not many stay until the end.
Also, you re the only one who didnt chose a sub so pls do it and share your pass.
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Your armies were crap...?
But you said you had elite units..
And no..the elephant made the difference..when loading the previous turn I was already giggling knowing I would have seen some stupid move. An elephant unit is worth 8 average unit. So me having -8 units and you having +8 unit would have made the difference. You're just in denial in accepting that you're not capable of thinking strategically and trying to justify all your mistakes.
also at Alamut i have 33 units mostly good units and elite you have 20 fking archers and a unit of elephants . do the math.
lets face it if i continue playing you lose .()
@Gaius Octavius Caesar : I think he gave his pswd to Core-i7-inside
Last edited by sonnet; 08-30-2014 at 12:10.
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subbbbbbbed.
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That army..
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That luck ...
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I think the difference was that France had no general. French army seemed as good as the Spanish one, but Spain had a 5 stars general.
If France had a general like that, Spain would have got (if possible) a much worse victory and subsequent victories would have been worse or not possible.
Also I think that the siege weapon was the mercenary unit which became available only this turn (something that France couldn't know), as I could see with my turkish army (coming before Spain and France I could see that with my Jihad army)
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Yep. And the general in that army was the french king who for some reson decided that this was a good turn to die
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you said "learn to lose mate" what that suppose to mean. that i don t know how to lose? can t you see i m losing because an elephant unit GD.it!
but its not just an elephant is a master plan behind it , years of training . bla bla . :))) the good thing is that i have a challenge here.that keep me in this HS.
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Its an expression.. and it was meant for this turn. I didnt said that you re already beaten, im confident that you ll turn the outcome of the war.
Last edited by Gaius Octavius Caesar; 08-30-2014 at 15:15.
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Hello all, I'm extremely intoxicated and will be all day today.
I will require a subber!
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i can subb! also i have the pass.
edit: no more!
Last edited by yuonyuon; 08-30-2014 at 19:50.
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@Emproment
You have time until tomorrow (10am time in London).
You got the save in advance, and jiub won't be here until tomorrow
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I don't think I'll be available during that time, sorry.
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I'll sub you, as I'm your official subber.
From the look of it Norway is in deep troubles.
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