Sorceror 17er Game Thread

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Originally Posted by zack

Vote: Hollowkatt

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i'd ask

but i know you won't tell

I would prefer we not kill Newcomb d1.

I find it sort of interesting Csargo has received fairly little heat while not doing much of anything.

Really wish Monty would show up and do anything at all.

Would like to see a bit more from Winston. :pimp2:

Vote: Ender i guess

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Originally Posted by zack

Would like to see a bit more from Winston. :pimp2:

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who do you want me to talk about?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

who do you want me to talk about?

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whatever you want

you being under the radar and careful not to say anything untoward reminds me more of how you wolf than how you town

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Originally Posted by zack

whatever you want

you being under the radar and careful not to say anything untoward reminds me more of how you wolf than how you town

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indeed

i know exactly how it looks

i'm not feeling the joy yet

and that is ++rand scum for me

vote:ender

maybe i randed wolf so much in these things that I forgot how to village lol

dunno game seems very hard to me now. I could see it going...a lot of different ways and am just down to get some flips

sleep will prob get villaread for his posts since i went to sleep but imo they are pretty bad. he really reminds me of myself when i have a wolfread as a wolf and i just keep forcing seeeing my wolfread's posts as wolfy instead of trying to see if i am possibly wrong

newcomb/hk are both bad wagons imo

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Originally Posted by zack

I would prefer we not kill Newcomb d1.

I find it sort of interesting Csargo has received fairly little heat while not doing much of anything.

Really wish Monty would show up and do anything at all.

Would like to see a bit more from Winston. :pimp2:

Vote: Ender i guess

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im not really happy with this mentality or the direction the game seems to be going. admittedly i have a reflexive tendency to townread players i perceive as lhf which often leads me to blind spot them but i think ur puutting a burden of "doing things" on ppl who are maybe more relaxed/less tryhardy while giving a pass to someone who has, in actuality, done very little

i will write a little more on this in a bit

idr if i ever elaborated on hollowkat villaread but he seems like a classic read deacay vote. I don't really seen him coming into a game with this pl as a wolf and making posts like:

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.

The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.



And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.

and yeah I'm being serious

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its hard to believe that a wolf genuinely thoughts saying the red was a good idea

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

yeah no problem.

My OG vote on Katze was 100% a shitpost vote.
People started piling onto katze tho and that felt weird to me. Like if they're a wolf then it's great, but if they're town a runaway wagon on them to start the game seems like a good opportunity for a wolf or two to get on and try to hang there for a chop today.
That's the basis for the v read there, basically that too many people were like "hmm yes katze is a good vote at this stage of the game".
I subscribe to the theory that early game wagons have lasting impact on the rest of the game through a kind of communal thread memory and that an early game wagon like that on a villager is one way to put a potential strong village player into the POE to make them either post out of it or allow for "bad votes" later in the game by calling back to it.

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and this was a very villagery thought and something I believe he believes

imo

but honestly i'm just not sure what to talk about

partly it's just rustiness, i think

but there's probably also just too much red meat already on the plate

in all of my games in recent years, i've felt like i needed to drive the conversation to some extent

this game's been generating it faster than i've been able to keep up

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Originally Posted by Sleep

is it really that much of an issue? i signed up with a different username beause haha funny vote sleep meme and its a new site, i figured

if its a ~problem~ i dont mind saying it but i significantly prefer playing as an unknown because i feel like it forces people to engage more honestly with the words in my posts rather than filtering it through some lens based on a preconceived identity they have attached to me, if that makes sense


before i go into that, i want to ask u this:

u seem to be confident cape is an obvious villager, so much so that ur defending him by attacking me. but the most reasoning i can find for WHY u think that is this:


and this is super vague and generic and doesnt really tell me anything about his actual content or why u like it. zack has a post like #565 where, ok, i can see the reasoning there, im not sure i agree, but i respect the thoughts, where with u i cant really figure out the reasoning or why ur so determined.

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1) not really, i just think its weird that you are the only alt and what is essentially an invitational playerlist where most people know each other or are metable

2) i am saying your push on cape is wolfy, cape is a thin villa lean for me. the 2 things can cohexist

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

so it's mostly gut?

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No, I wrote a pretty extensive post about the type of reasoning he used and while I haven't pointed out other specific posts to nit full the thread with my catchup but it's been a general ah I don't like this tbh

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Originally Posted by ladd

vote:ender

maybe i randed wolf so much in these things that I forgot how to village lol

dunno game seems very hard to me now. I could see it going...a lot of different ways and am just down to get some flips

sleep will prob get villaread for his posts since i went to sleep but imo they are pretty bad. he really reminds me of myself when i have a wolfread as a wolf and i just keep forcing seeeing my wolfread's posts as wolfy instead of trying to see if i am possibly wrong

newcomb/hk are both bad wagons imo

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hi, can u please respond to #582/#586? im just struggling to understand ur perspective here and would like some clarity

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Originally Posted by ladd

idr if i ever elaborated on hollowkat villaread but he seems like a classic read deacay vote. I don't really seen him coming into a game with this pl as a wolf and making posts like:



its hard to believe that a wolf genuinely thoughts saying the red was a good idea



and this was a very villagery thought and something I believe he believes

imo

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Qre u questioning my reads :whip:

In how many hours does the day end?

test

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Originally Posted by Dobby

No, I wrote a pretty extensive post about the type of reasoning he used and while I haven't pointed out other specific posts to nit full the thread with my catchup but it's been a general ah I don't like this tbh

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okay, i'll get off my arse and look that up

site is going super slow for me, dunno if its a me problem tho. seems to be working now tho

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i mean thats literally a single line, i could have gone at length into why i didnt like it but it would mostly boil down to "tone", i sensed the rest of the thread likely had no appetite for a prolonged back and forth, and i wanted the chance to focus my attention on other things and not have cape spend all his time defendin himself to me. im still actively engaged in trying to sort him/other ppl, im not sure where u get the impression thats the only thing im doing

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i never said this

i addressed the other post already

if you want me to expand on something lmk, I know I am being lazy

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Originally Posted by Dobby

In how many hours does the day end?

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5 and 45 mins

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Originally Posted by Sleep

im not really happy with this mentality or the direction the game seems to be going. admittedly i have a reflexive tendency to townread players i perceive as lhf which often leads me to blind spot them but i think ur puutting a burden of "doing things" on ppl who are maybe more relaxed/less tryhardy while giving a pass to someone who has, in actuality, done very little

i will write a little more on this in a bit

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I disagree that newcomb has done very little

I've played with Csargo, Monty, and Winston countless times. Csargo and Monty have done close to nothing, and while that's maybe not too out of character for Csargo on d1 he can do more, and Monty/Winston are almost always far more active and engaged than this

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Originally Posted by ladd

2) i am saying your push on cape is wolfy, cape is a thin villa lean for me. the 2 things can cohexist

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see i just dont believe that at all. uve not only gone out of ur way to defend him against sunbae but against me too, u seemingly didnt really raise isssue with or interact with the post at all when i made it, only to return a day later and declare me a wolf for it. u didnt really try to talk with me about it prior to this which makes me question whether u actually had interest in sorting me or persuading me that i am wrong on cape (and i will grant that u asked me a question about him that i have yet to answer). but to me it feels like ur attack is coming from an inordinate level of confidence that cape is a villager

lets let katze lead eod

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Originally Posted by Sleep

see i just dont believe that at all. uve not only gone out of ur way to defend him against sunbae but against me too, u seemingly didnt really raise isssue with or interact with the post at all when i made it, only to return a day later and declare me a wolf for it. u didnt really try to talk with me about it prior to this which makes me question whether u actually had interest in sorting me or persuading me that i am wrong on cape (and i will grant that u asked me a question about him that i have yet to answer). but to me it feels like ur attack is coming from an inordinate level of confidence that cape is a villager

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thats cause i started to get concerned right before i went to sleep yday when i saw your post dumping on cape asnwer (which was right before i went to sleep) and i went to re read your wall to which i quite frankly didnt pay a ton of attention to on my first read

i dont see why you struggle to see that I can find a push wolfy without having the pushed gui as lack clear

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Originally Posted by zack

I disagree that newcomb has done very little

I've played with Csargo, Monty, and Winston countless times. Csargo and Monty have done close to nothing, and while that's maybe not too out of character for Csargo on d1 he can do more, and Monty/Winston are almost always far more active and engaged than this

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ok. i think sometimes in a game like this differing playstyles can kind of stifle people but i will respect ur meta on them. i had a segment in this in my reads list im working on but i wouldnt be shocked if theres a wolf in the null/less active players, i just dont like necessarily going for those as the day 1 elim because they tend to be lazy and =rand. they are the type of slots i wouldnt mind being exploded.

i still think newcomb has been p wolfy tho

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Originally Posted by Cape90

If I end up going over, just know I'm confident in my towncore this game

Very confident

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Least confident wolf read by a long shot is ladd.

Knowing how hit or miss I can be 2 wolves are in my light towns and if there's a wolf somewhere in my towncore, it's benneh

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this gave me a laugh, i read the first post in amrock's voice

Hi I am currently on page 17 and have read nothing since then AMA

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Originally Posted by ladd

thats cause i started to get concerned right before i went to sleep yday when i saw your post dumping on cape asnwer (which was right before i went to sleep) and i went to re read your wall to which i quite frankly didnt pay a ton of attention to on my first read

i dont see why you struggle to see that I can find a push wolfy without having the pushed gui as lack clear

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ig its because the idea that my push is wolf-motivated suggests that you find it to be in some way disagreeable which implies that i am pushing someone u believe to be a villager, where if there was some gray area i would expect u to maybe try to figure out my perspective more to see if i was a villager who was just misfiring on something rather than declaring me a wolf

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

I guess I should explicitly make this a question, so what's up with including rask here?

Like, including rask in a list with everyone I buy. Forgetting to include rask when doing a stream of consciousness "state of the game" post I buy. This halfway thing where rask is included in a specific group of 3 along with 2 other players both of which have posted a moderate amount is... odd?

I can't reeeeeally fit this to an obvious wolf mindset thing, like... w/w with rask? Nah I feel like he'd be even more aware than Joe Villager that his partner was currently 0 posting. Knows rask is v and too lazy to check since already knew alignment? Doesn't really seem that likely.

Still though I kind of want to know what's up with this post since it's odd in a way that demands a reason, like there has to be a reason the thought went there to put that name with those two.

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Kinda disagree with this because putting the zero poster in the same bucket as "I have no reads on these people" makes some amount of sense to me though I do generally separate out "no reads but have posted" vs "no reads and not posting" slots precisely for trying to avoid posts like yours being made.

I don't think it's a smoking gun for csargo but if he's addressed this somewhere I anticipate reading what his answer(s) were.

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Originally Posted by katze

i will win the lyrical battle

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You ready? Let's go!
Yeah!
For those of you that wanna know what this situation is all about

This is ten percent bad luck, twenty percent the set-up
Fifteen percent benneh the Town Clown
Five percent Newcomb, fifty percent the willage
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name katze

katze the Townie
Yeah!

She doesn't need maximum towncred
She just wants to be heard, just wants her post to be read
She feels so unlike everybody else, alone
Nobody believes his claim

In spite of the fact that some people still think that they know she is town
But fuck 'em, she knows the way, it?s not about winning
It's all about reality and showing she?s town

katze the Townie
Yeah!

Telling his truth
Who the hell is she, anyway? She never really talks much
katze the Townie

Never concerned with townreads, just fighting for life
Humbled through opportunities given despite the fact
Visor included katze in the set-up

They many misjudge her 'cause she might claim a role similar to one that'll flip
Put it together herself, now the picture connects

This is twenty percent bad luck, eighty percent the set-up
Be a hundred percent clear, 'cause katze is town
This dude is the telling his truth

This is ten percent bad luck, twenty percent the set-up
Fifteen percent benneh the Town Clown
Five percent Newcomb, fifty percent the willage
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name katze the Townie

She's not your everyday Townie
She knows how to work with what he's got, making her way to the top of the post count
She often gets a comment on his name, people keep asking her
"How can you exist"
No, she's living proof (Proof), got her rocking the booth
Dedicated to her role and giving it a hundred percent

Forget benneh, forget mechanics
Forget the design
Just pay attention to this rhyme

When katze flips Town, just say instead
Ridiculous, mechanics lost us the game again

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this is completely within katzes wolf range and yet I want to town read it because I am lazy and it feels good to do so.

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Originally Posted by ladd

lets let katze lead eod

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I'm surprisingly okay with this.

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Originally Posted by Dobby

No, I wrote a pretty extensive post about the type of reasoning he used and while I haven't pointed out other specific posts to nit full the thread with my catchup but it's been a general ah I don't like this tbh

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so #664 referring to #134

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Originally Posted by Dobby

it's easy to get like, tunnelled in your approach of reading someone, almost confbiasing. Like. Okay, first thing i think when i read ender's post is just this, he does seem to try to force out content, and then i can easily poop out words that add to the initial case i made to make it have some weight to it. This type of read is also... Easily fakeable. It's a tool i use as a wolf, because it's an easy way to play as mafia that looks really towny, and like you've done WORK, and it's a really hard thing to identify as wolfy and push. I feel like this whole post smells of that kind of thing. Add to it the last segment which kind of is a bit hedgy to cover for eventualities where Ender who based on what i've seen now, might very well be an early chop.

So yeah my thoughts on Ender aorn if i'm trying to decide if he's faking it or it's a personality/style of playing thing, is that it seems genuine enough for now and because of it being impossible (unless you know him really well, which i don't but also lolmeta) to judge which one it is, it's also something that a legit read shouldn't be based on. And the read HK is making here is making me :fry: way more tbh.

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dobby's iso pretty pimply for me, btw

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Originally Posted by Sleep

ig its because the idea that my push is wolf-motivated suggests that you find it to be in some way disagreeable which implies that i am pushing someone u believe to be a villager, where if there was some gray area i would expect u to maybe try to figure out my perspective more to see if i was a villager who was just misfiring on something rather than declaring me a wolf

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i think your push on cape is wolfy cause 1) you are pushing him on stuff that you can easily point out as wolfy but in most cases is nai (e.g. the hedginess) , 2) you don't really seem to give him a fair shake after his asnwer and instead just doublin down and/or jumping at ~every post he makes to see the wolfy side of it instead of trying to give the benefit of the doubt and 3) you remind me of how I wolf which isnt exactly a fair read but c'est la vie

i think cape is slightly >rand v cause he just seemed to be doing his own thing at sod, i liked his posthoumuos explanation of his sod play being that he wanted to be a cannon ball (iirc thats the words he used) and it aligns with how he played it. His caring about how right/wrong he is also seems kinda villagery

hope that helps clarify where i am at

who else beyond zack and dobby is sus on hk?

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

I'm surprisingly okay with this.

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@katze you are in charge

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I like Rask and I don't have strong feelings either way on Monstr/HK and Rask has zero posted, and thought "don't have a good read on" would equate to null for people. Felt like I didn't have to add Dobby/Ender/Capo, because it's not hard to fill in the blanks.

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weird...

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Originally Posted by Csargo

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

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Originally Posted by Csargo

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

maybe it was that I didn't think your memes were funny.
Your first 10 or so posts are the ones I felt were "off", and that off-ness I read as "difficulty trying to get into the game"

After that you do improve so meh

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I read Ender's early posts as excited/jovial, so did you read them differently? That doesn't seem like something you'd characterize as "difficulty trying to get into the game", unless you just think it was fake? or something else?

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This is why I found HK's read weird. Because it certainly felt like I was fooling around and having fun to me.

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That's why I asked, since I came to a completely different conclusion reading your posts. So it just seemed odd or a mischaracterization to case you, but that also seemed odd to do.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I read Ender's early posts as excited/jovial, so did you read them differently? That doesn't seem like something you'd characterize as "difficulty trying to get into the game", unless you just think it was fake? or something else?

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yeah to me they read as more forced content than anything else. I'm not sure if that's just me being weird or ender being weird. My discussions with ender though recently have given me more of a good feeling about him than his earlier posting did so maybe call him null/lean town instead of 'lets kill'

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That's not the vibes I got from those posts, but I don't know ender very well either, so I probably wouldn't notice. #72 is the only thing that Ender's posted that seemed particularly bad to me.

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I would have thought at least these exchanges would have given csargo something to go on dependent on his ender read and how I was engaging with him here.
I also think with csargo parking his vote on me here:

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Originally Posted by Csargo

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

this game is literally a who's who of mafia, plus me. So that's cool

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:stop:

Vote:hollowkatt

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that he would have at least thought about the person he's voting for, even if his vote at the time was RVS/shitposting.

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Originally Posted by ladd

i think your push on cape is wolfy cause 1) you are pushing him on stuff that you can easily point out as wolfy but in most cases is nai (e.g. the hedginess) , 2) you don't really seem to give him a fair shake after his asnwer and instead just doublin down and/or jumping at ~every post he makes to see the wolfy side of it instead of trying to give the benefit of the doubt and 3) you remind me of how I wolf which isnt exactly a fair read but c'est la vie

i think cape is slightly >rand v cause he just seemed to be doing his own thing at sod, i liked his posthoumuos explanation of his sod play being that he wanted to be a cannon ball (iirc thats the words he used) and it aligns with how he played it. His caring about how right/wrong he is also seems kinda villagery

hope that helps clarify where i am at

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:bow:

vote: csargo

vote: dobby

rask seems ~fine to me, let's paranoia misyeet him on d4 tho ~:wave:

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

who else beyond zack and dobby is sus on hk?

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just to clarify, i'm not really

I briefly hopped on after seeing dobby's vote as a "maybe I was giving HK too much credit earlier" but after thinking about it more for a few minutes after, it was probably simple read decay (as i think ladd alluded to)

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

vote: csargo

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:charge:

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Originally Posted by ladd

@katze you are in charge

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monkaS

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Originally Posted by zack

I disagree that newcomb has done very little

I've played with Csargo, Monty, and Winston countless times. Csargo and Monty have done close to nothing, and while that's maybe not too out of character for Csargo on d1 he can do more, and Monty/Winston are almost always far more active and engaged than this

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in retrospect this was uncharitable to csargo, i think this is ~okay from him for d1 at least

no idea what's up with monty

whatchu you wanna do zack?

i am about to be out for the day probably

-visor

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Sup friendos.

late to the party but glad to be here tbh.

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I luff you

i dont really feel that great about ender being a wolf either quite frankly, i just have no better ideas besides a shruglunch and see you all tomorrow

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Originally Posted by ladd

whatchu you wanna do zack?

i am about to be out for the day probably

-visor

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i dont really feel that great about ender being a wolf either quite frankly, i just have no better ideas besides a shruglunch and see you all tomorrow

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Originally Posted by zack

i dont really feel that great about ender being a wolf either quite frankly, i just have no better ideas besides a shruglunch and see you all tomorrow

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Zack/ladd you guys both pretty sanguine on katze?

I'm still thinking his treatment of me feels p slimey / performative but that's been read decay-ing overnight.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

dobby's iso pretty pimply for me, btw

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go on?

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

Zack/ladd you guys both pretty sanguine on katze?

I'm still thinking his treatment of me feels p slimey / performative but that's been read decay-ing overnight.

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she seems fine to me, maybe lightly v

but i also dunno how to read her really

:7detective:

okay, things are snarling up

go back to first principles

everyone thinks zack is town + therefore zack is definitely scum

vote: zack

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Originally Posted by Sleep

go on?

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there was the post dobby sent me to find, which was underwhelming

and that was the best bit

(sorry dobs, got to say it as i see it)

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

Zack/ladd you guys both pretty sanguine on katze?

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ya, the villa read on him is actually the one I felt less doubt on overall

id be surprised if they wolfing

I'm not going to quote them all b/c I hate building multiquotes but I enjoy reading all of the Zack posts in the 560s, especially this one: 563. It's kinda spicy, has a nice flavor to it, and what he's pointed out there seems to make a certain amount of sense to me. That could be residual ender suspicion on my part, I don't really have feelings about Ladd but probably I should have some.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Seemed like the kind of read I get returned to the kitchen for the chef to review because it's so watery weak that it's basically not there.

But I appreciated the sentiment.

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this was like the kind of post manti makes when he's a wolf

:afro:

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

there was the post dobby sent me to find, which was underwhelming

and that was the best bit

(sorry dobs, got to say it as i see it)

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Its okay you cant be right always because my ISO is fantastic considering what energy and time i could spend on this game, and it was still way more than planned :)

Iim gonna look through what i have and compile thoughts now that im back home

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

okay, things are snarling up

go back to first principles

everyone thinks zack is town + therefore zack is definitely scum

vote: zack

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Originally Posted by zack

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keep walkin'

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Originally Posted by zack

see, this is the kind of sequence I like

it shows that he was thinking about the game and people's alignments behind the scenes, and was able to quickly prove it with receipts. Didn't make some grandiose post(s) in the thread announcing his switch on Cuth, but gave a solid earthy explanation of what changed his read when asked.

that said if cuth is a wolf it maybe looks bad for cape

like I said earlier, I could be wrong on Cape but he keeps posting thiings that I find villagy and I'm not seeing the issue with his posts

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I think there are three options here yeah?
1. Wolf?Cape is trying to push thread opinion away from wolf?Cuth

2. Wolf?Cape is trying to pocket town?Cuth

3. Town?Cape is making what he feels like is a legit read on possible town?Cuth.

Of those three option 1 feels least likely to me as I don't really perceive cuth is in imminent danger of going over, and if he did Cape likely doesn't want to be tied to that chop with a town read like that.
Option 2 feels like it's got some potential but I don't have a strong enough opinion on Cape to make that call.

Option 3 feels like it's the most likely option of the three in a vacuum...

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

weird...




I would have thought at least these exchanges would have given csargo something to go on dependent on his ender read and how I was engaging with him here.
I also think with csargo parking his vote on me here:



that he would have at least thought about the person he's voting for, even if his vote at the time was RVS/shitposting.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at. If you're saying my read on you should be dependent on my read of ender or vice versa, I'm not going to make any assumptions based on perceived alignments in any game really, let alone one with a strong playerlist.

I still don't really buy your reasoning on ender, because if doesn't fit with how I viewed ender at that point in the game. I didn't see anything that seemed like it was forced from ender at the beginning of the game.

I voted you to start the game, because I'm pretty sure you've opened like that in another game, so it just seemed like a canned opening to me ergo kinda weird.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I'm not sure what you're getting at. If you're saying my read on you should be dependent on my read of ender or vice versa, I'm not going to make any assumptions based on perceived alignments in any game really, let alone one with a strong playerlist.

I still don't really buy your reasoning on ender, because if doesn't fit with how I viewed ender at that point in the game. I didn't see anything that seemed like it was forced from ender at the beginning of the game.

I voted you to start the game, because I'm pretty sure you've opened like that in another game, so it just seemed like a canned opening to me ergo kinda weird.

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Which is feeding into the point I was trying to make: Why am I in your "I dunno" bucket when we had this exchange and you expressed quite a bit of concern over how I had arrived at the conclusions that I did and made the read that I did. So to be in your "meh no idea" bucket after this exchange is what I'm suspicious of.

You having me in your "could be a wolf here" bucket makes more sense than any other read you could have, so I'm trying to understand how I'm in the "don't have a read" bucket.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Amateur tip:
Interactions with people are a solid way to build reads.

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Is this a reference to something I don't get?

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Originally Posted by ladd

i think your push on cape is wolfy cause 1) you are pushing him on stuff that you can easily point out as wolfy but in most cases is nai (e.g. the hedginess) , 2) you don't really seem to give him a fair shake after his asnwer and instead just doublin down and/or jumping at ~every post he makes to see the wolfy side of it instead of trying to give the benefit of the doubt and 3) you remind me of how I wolf which isnt exactly a fair read but c'est la vie

i think cape is slightly >rand v cause he just seemed to be doing his own thing at sod, i liked his posthoumuos explanation of his sod play being that he wanted to be a cannon ball (iirc thats the words he used) and it aligns with how he played it. His caring about how right/wrong he is also seems kinda villagery

hope that helps clarify where i am at

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wrt point 1, i understand that stuff like that can be nai but the way it was presented pinged me, theres no way around it for me really

im going to focus on point 2 though because its the one i can speak the most on:

i didnt like #282 because for the most part it was very sarcastic/dismissive and didnt really address my issues in a meaningful way. i realize for a lot of this like the semantics based reads, he cant really answer that stuff and thats understandable but but tonally it felt really incredibly off, and the stuff where he actually had reasoning like his reads on newcomb/katze it was very underwhelming.

i, again, did not hammer this home at the time precisely because i didnt think continued arguing around these points was going to be helpful

dobby, newcomb, benneh, katze

there's your scumteam

zack is the sk

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

Which is feeding into the point I was trying to make: Why am I in your "I dunno" bucket when we had this exchange and you expressed quite a bit of concern over how I had arrived at the conclusions that I did and made the read that I did. So to be in your "meh no idea" bucket after this exchange is what I'm suspicious of.

You having me in your "could be a wolf here" bucket makes more sense than any other read you could have, so I'm trying to understand how I'm in the "don't have a read" bucket.

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It's mostly because I agree with ladd, in that some of your posts are townie in between those posts or don't really make sense coming from a wolf perspective.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

dobby, newcomb, benneh, katze

there's your scumteam

zack is the sk

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:bow:

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Its okay you cant be right always because my ISO is fantastic considering what energy and time i could spend on this game, and it was still way more than planned :)

Iim gonna look through what i have and compile thoughts now that im back home

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Qctually I'm gonna get back to this Winston, what exactly is pimply/not impressive enough for you to place a vote on me? Am I your top wolf? Please give examples.

I'm ge uinely happy with what I have done and the contribution I've had here, mainly the discussions with kat and sleep probably have been useful. Planting my own reads in a catchup sequence is only going to be mildly useful at best but I've been interacting with whoever has responded or addressed me so placing a vote here is like

I'm not upset or anything about it I just genuinely don't understand why you place your vote here and point out that the iso is had when I for once am... kinda happy with what I've done?

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Originally Posted by Sleep

wrt point 1, i understand that stuff like that can be nai but the way it was presented pinged me, theres no way around it for me really

im going to focus on point 2 though because its the one i can speak the most on:

i didnt like #282 because for the most part it was very sarcastic/dismissive and didnt really address my issues in a meaningful way. i realize for a lot of this like the semantics based reads, he cant really answer that stuff and thats understandable but but tonally it felt really incredibly off, and the stuff where he actually had reasoning like his reads on newcomb/katze it was very underwhelming.

i, again, did not hammer this home at the time precisely because i didnt think continued arguing around these points was going to be helpful

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where dismissive?

the sarcasm/snark is part of why i liked his answer. why do you think thats wolfy?

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Originally Posted by zack

:bow:

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~:handball:

(and thanks for the answer)

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I voted you to start the game, because I'm pretty sure you've opened like that in another game, so it just seemed like a canned opening to me ergo kinda weird.

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this is villagery i think

Like, I think my past wolf/3p games prove qt least to some extent that i know exactly how to play to look super towny, but I'm choosing to play this my way and literally everything I've written (except for memes so I don't get called out on it qnd maybe an addendum of "almost") has felt useful for the game in one way or the other, and not just "this person is why here's a big case". Or like some that just post a list of five names as their first post. I'm going to make sure I have enough when I out my reads, in many cases because I am super interested in dynamics, intent and reactions and stuff like that, rather than actual content of posts to form opinions, and that's part of why I'm asking about your vote here because "iso is bad" is not very useful

i'll try to be back before eod somehow

if not,

:bow:

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Like, I think my past wolf/3p games prove qt least to some extent that i know exactly how to play to look super towny, but I'm choosing to play this my way and literally everything I've written (except for memes so I don't get called out on it qnd maybe an addendum of "almost") has felt useful for the game in one way or the other, and not just "this person is why here's a big case". Or like some that just post a list of five names as their first post. I'm going to make sure I have enough when I out my reads, in many cases because I am super interested in dynamics, intent and reactions and stuff like that, rather than actual content of posts to form opinions, and that's part of why I'm asking about your vote here because "iso is bad" is not very useful

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*qnd want to see how certain things play out before I write about the players involved

Also it says why instead of wolf call it a shroop i dare ypu

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Originally Posted by ladd

@katze you are in charge

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wtf

no

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Qctually I'm gonna get back to this Winston, what exactly is pimply/not impressive enough for you to place a vote on me? Am I your top wolf? Please give examples.

I'm ge uinely happy with what I have done and the contribution I've had here, mainly the discussions with kat and sleep probably have been useful. Planting my own reads in a catchup sequence is only going to be mildly useful at best but I've been interacting with whoever has responded or addressed me so placing a vote here is like

I'm not upset or anything about it I just genuinely don't understand why you place your vote here and point out that the iso is had when I for once am... kinda happy with what I've done?

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firstly, it's the hk vote

secondly, it's the reasoning behind the hk vote

thirdly, it's the timing of the hk vote

fourthly, it's that you made me go look for the reasoning behind the hk vote

fifthly, it's that when i looked for the reasoning behind the hk vote, i found the rest of your iso to lack anything that feels townie to me

for all of that, you've posted far more worthwhile content that i have

so it's no criticism

just you look scummy to me

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

dobby, newcomb, benneh, katze

there's your scumteam

zack is the sk

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Originally Posted by Dobby

*qnd want to see how certain things play out before I write about the players involved

Also it says why instead of wolf call it a shroop i dare ypu

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nice shroop

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Originally Posted by katze

youcaughtus.gif

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treat this as a learning experience

vote:sleep

i'll follow my heart

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

treat this as a learning experience

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if only you went to champs