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i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0

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Originally Posted by didistetter

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
@nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

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i have no real basis for saying this but aggressively flaunting voting rask the entire day and then not actually voting him at eod feels like a waza wolf thing to me (but i will not be pursuing this for a while)

last thing ill say on that waza is that i DID find stett town and the receipts are there lol

me being nitpicky with some of her tone and actions prior to that is no different from the way you flip flopped on her a few times but i had her as one of my lock towns long before EOD and i think even before you finally settled on her being lock again. just because i have someone very hard town doesn't mean i don't question some of their posts from time to time and i feel like you of all people should acknowledge that since you did the exact same with the same exact poster?

i found annika while i was capped and she had her back and forth with maple so meh, fair enough on that point ig, but in the sense of you 'townsiding' for having them as top 2 town, i don't really view anyone's wolfing like in such a shallow way? stett and annika are easy towns to clear as wolf /shrugze

i am aware of your townsiding in that sense but to make this more productive i'd just ask: of my POE of 6 (assume I slid arctic or dya down), who among the other players NOT within my poe, do you think I should be townreading less and takeover your slot in that list? don't bother answering this now,--sincerely--this is a bigger question than this exact moment, but feel free to throw a post at me later tomorrow or so depending on where we both are landing.

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Originally Posted by waza

Like to clarify I don’t think I should be your top town either because I don’t deserve that either

Somewhere between dya and ender is where I’d expect to be on your list not at the bottom lol

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damn you legit answered my question while i was writing the response lol

ok now i'm wasting posts

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Originally Posted by Maple

i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0

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and stett is my n1 so she should be right below benneh

nvm i'm wilding waza is still just town

benneh probably is too

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Originally Posted by ladd

Sap

Will be around more in second half of the day (p busy today irl) but annika/artic seem like pretty obvious villagers from eod, esp annika

Tbh nothing else changed for me, dya/annika/artic/benneh/waza/stett/pzelda are people i am ~never killing this game. Visor/lissa ill re read durjng today simply cause my read on them is not as strong/clear as the people above. Ender/maple/taffy are my lazy bottom tier atm


Gg sunbae

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kinda funny how my poe rn is exactly those people + you lmao

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i understand there is a decent chance sunbae did not die n1 at the hand of the wolves, and thus there's a decent chance he didn't die for his reads, but i'll still note his wolf team here and carry on the torch

particularly he was quite strong on the dya read and i think mildly on the arctic one, so i'm going to reset my reads on them a bit and see what evolves.

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waza, i don't mind you putting me as tinfoil, that's fine

but most of the time when i say "i am out of my wolf range" its a joke and performative or a wink and nod at the camera and whatnot, so i just wanted to say this with total sincerity for once in my life: i am compoletely out of my wolf range. i don't think being postcapped at eod and resorting to active and engaged proxy votes to save arctic/taffy while trying to push out ladd/maple and instead voting a partner suddenly in a flashwagon, even if they are afk, is ever in my wolf range lol

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wdym there's a decent chance sunbae didn't die to wolves

you think town got a save on someone or the wolf kill got stopped, and on top of that town has KP which they used specifically on sunbae who claimed PR???

idk where i'm going with this but it seems silly to think wolves didn't kill him because that requires town did

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Originally Posted by Arctic

wdym there's a decent chance sunbae didn't die to wolves

you think town got a save on someone or the wolf kill got stopped, and on top of that town has KP which they used specifically on sunbae who claimed PR???

idk where i'm going with this but it seems silly to think wolves didn't kill him because that requires town did

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read his role again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QQZLIRoCNE

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 728

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Totally not Taffy	waza (10)
1	Maple	didistetter (5)
11	Not Voting	Arctic (6), EnderWiggin (1), Lissa (1), Maple (5), Totally not Taffy (0), Visor (2), annika (3), dyachei (2), ladd (5), nebjiamn (15), pzelda (0)

Yall i beat ascension 12 for the first time today I might actually make it to 20 before sts mash

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

read his role again

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i may be stupid

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Originally Posted by Arctic

i may be stupid

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Benneh is implying that Sunbae anticipated who was targetted and redirected onto himself. Therefore wolves were the ones that killed him but Sunbae was not the N1 therefore wolves weren't trying to silence sunbae

Which tbh I agree with, and was the thought I had. I think I was one of the very small group of people defending Sunbae

Honestly the game just seems villagery enough in general that I think Taffy is just a wolf and probably some kind of kp. Even though I'm happy with my poe no one in it really feels wolfy so it's kinda hard for me to feel good about calling 2 non-Taffy players wolves

This line of reasoning was correct on Rask (though it's not really how I felt about the game yesterday which is why I didn't consider going there) so it must be correct here :D

I would be enthused to be wrong about this because the game might not be boring then! Finding a lone wolf in these games when 2 wolves die immediately is either incredibly easy, which is boring, or absolute hell because they've just been bussing like crazy. I find that it's usually easier to solve the game if at least 2 survive until later because then there's at least some incentive to not bus which can be read into, but if both wolves are poe'd immediately then it's hard to figure out who it is

tbc i don't think its unlikely he was targeted directly

i mainly wanted to preface that i think his reads are worth sheeping/looking into even if he wasn't targeted, primarily because he is good at the video game. there's still a world he was targeted (he did claim pr after all) -- plus i don't think its feasible we can deduce who he targeted so no value spending a ton of time figure that out.

good to just say he's a really good villager (some might even say nom-worthy) and he died n1 so we should consider his point of view.

Sunbae was probably not killed for his reads - he was either killed because he was a claimed PR or because he got his action off. I don't think that even if his reads were accurate, wolves would kill him just because of that given his low position in people's reads and lack of threadpull, when he was a possible miselim if the PR claim was a joke (which it kinda read as to me, lmao). But not being killed for his reads doesn't mean he was wrong. It just means they aren't guaranteed to be correct. I think he could easily be correct on both Taffy and Maple. Just not me or dya (sowwy)

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Originally Posted by Arctic

nvm i'm wilding waza is still just town

benneh probably is too



kinda funny how my poe rn is exactly those people + you lmao

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Story of my ww career. Tbh i feel people (except a couple) have been lazy in reading me and just hoping taffy flips wolf to clear me (idk what happens if taffy is villa.. prolly bad stuff tho) but c est la vie


Fwiw i dont think its impossible sunbae was the nk cause 1)he is sunbae, 2) people mostly had moved om from thinking he was a wolf and 3) he jokingly claimed pr iirc


Doesnt really matter tho



@manti can you elaborate on why you v read dya?

lmao sunbae was towny, had a towny eod, and claimed PR for some reason.

taffy had the way sketcher claim.
@Lissa arctic is pretty obviously pr who went after taffy so strongly b/c of him not liking the anticlaim stuff.. So i don't love your direction in 720

what do you tr about maple? what are your thoughts on ender and ladd?

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Originally Posted by ladd

Story of my ww career. Tbh i feel people (except a couple) have been lazy in reading me and just hoping taffy flips wolf to clear me (idk what happens if taffy is villa.. prolly bad stuff tho) but c est la vie


Fwiw i dont think its impossible sunbae was the nk cause 1)he is sunbae, 2) people mostly had moved om from thinking he was a wolf and 3) he jokingly claimed pr iirc


Doesnt really matter tho



@manti can you elaborate on why you v read dya?

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yeah I have been pretty lazy with this and I am sorry about that but when I'd clear you if taffy flips wolf and I really want to kill her it's kind of a waste of energy to evaluate you now. but I will do it if taffy ends up being town, I am not just gonna be screaming for your head so dw lol. gun to head you just wouldn't really move in my poe, but can't say for sure

why are you obsessed with why everyone is v reading dya? is the post about sunbae supposed to be some esoteric thing that nobody else should be reading into? because i've been locking them town over the same thing, it seems pretty straight forward to me. are you worried some people may be exhibiting TMI on them? otherwise i'm not really sure what the intrigue is here

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Originally Posted by didistetter

lmao sunbae was towny, had a towny eod, and claimed PR for some reason.

taffy had the way sketcher claim.
@Lissa arctic is pretty obviously pr who went after taffy so strongly b/c of him not liking the anticlaim stuff.. So i don't love your direction in 720

what do you tr about maple? what are your thoughts on ender and ladd?

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lol is that why everyone was hard townreading me for eod? cuz they think im a PR?

well I would have claimed if I was, I'm not that stupid

so if that's the only reason you are townreading me then we should probably calibrate for that now rather than 3 days later when I'm still alive when you guys would find out i am in fact not a PR and decide to turbo blitz me

wow what the hell vote: arctic

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Originally Posted by Arctic

why are you obsessed with why everyone is v reading dya? is the post about sunbae supposed to be some esoteric thing that nobody else should be reading into? because i've been locking them town over the same thing, it seems pretty straight forward to me. are you worried some people may be exhibiting TMI on them? otherwise i'm not really sure what the intrigue is here

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Nah i just want manti to talk more about their reads lol and the dya one had the least elaboration so i asked that one


Ngl manti saying they went through old games to read you also seemed a bit weird (would they truly care so much on n1), but maybe they are in their meta phase

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Originally Posted by ladd

Nah i just want manti to talk more about their reads lol and the dya one had the least elaboration so i asked that one


Ngl manti saying they went through old games to read you also seemed a bit weird (would they truly care so much on n1), but maybe they are in their meta phase

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icic

yeah that was a bit strange because manti has never seen a wolf game from me let alone a wolf game on the org (i havent randed wolf here)

i am personally skeptical of the value of meta without looking at a wolf game, but perhaps the relevant thing here is that i am also skeptical about how much value manti places in meta without looking at a wolf game

Good morning,
Just a little note about my schedule before catching up. I'm visiting my sister, but I should be on a bus back to Prague some three hours before deadline. Expect me to be active there. Also, I'm on my phone for the entirety of D2.

I fell asleep some ten minutes before we were allowed to change our votes... I know it's moot but I probably would have voted Annika there for only having Maple and Rask as options.

Imagine thinking I'd read an org game LMAO

I haven't even read *this* game

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Originally Posted by didistetter

I agree annika and arctic are both town from eod tho ben.

Really don’t love maple’s omgus and attempted push on annika but we’ll see.
Lissa is the only on wagon voter I’m not lock towning.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

RIP Sunbae.

I still disagree that Arctic's EOD was specifically towny of em.

But there's enough people who seem to think that was clearing that it can't be just a wolf sentiment echo chamber and I have to consider strongly that I'm just five miles underneath the ground in my tunnel. So I'm gonna ignore Arctic for a bit and come back to it.

I also want to see what Taffy has to say.

I thought Maple had a terrible EOD. (This is definitely a unique viewpoint I see)

I think Benneh/Annika/Stett/Waza are all very towny from that EOD.

Need to get back to work will think more on this later.

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What do you mean when you say "specifically" for them?

I am also egoistically curious why you villaread me at the start of the game and whether that read has evolved since

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Originally Posted by pzelda

I like this comment.

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why?

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Originally Posted by Arctic

lol is that why everyone was hard townreading me for eod? cuz they think im a PR?

well I would have claimed if I was, I'm not that stupid

so if that's the only reason you are townreading me then we should probably calibrate for that now rather than 3 days later when I'm still alive when you guys would find out i am in fact not a PR and decide to turbo blitz me

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Exactly what a pr would say

:curtain:

@ladd what do you make of the way lissa has posted wrt your slot, and her amenability to me suggesting a eod flashwagon on afk ladd for no reason other than someone claiming pr and dipping?

im kinda struggling with that dynamic, especially considering she +1d me telling arctic to not lim taffy, but seemed willing to flash an afk who frankly had no business being a d1 wagon

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@ladd what do you make of the way lissa has posted wrt your slot, and her amenability to me suggesting a eod flashwagon on afk ladd for no reason other than someone claiming pr and dipping?

im kinda struggling with that dynamic, especially considering she +1d me telling arctic to not lim taffy, but seemed willing to flash an afk who frankly had no business being a d1 wagon

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Dont think i didnt see you and benneh (and maybe waza? Idr) voting me lol nice try


I dont make much of it honestly, it lines up with what her reads were at the time i think. She never really v read me, didnt want to vote taffy cause pr claim, rask cause 0 posts

I'll probably sheep sunbae read there for now, and everyone who knows her better than me thinks she is a villager so am cool with it. They are like just outiside immediate PoE for me tho

If taffy/rask are both w she had a super rough EoD reads wise but given the context i am not even sure thats wolfy

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Originally Posted by Arctic

Honestly the game just seems villagery enough in general that I think Taffy is just a wolf and probably some kind of kp. Even though I'm happy with my poe no one in it really feels wolfy so it's kinda hard for me to feel good about calling 2 non-Taffy players wolves

This line of reasoning was correct on Rask (though it's not really how I felt about the game yesterday which is why I didn't consider going there) so it must be correct here :D

I would be enthused to be wrong about this because the game might not be boring then! Finding a lone wolf in these games when 2 wolves die immediately is either incredibly easy, which is boring, or absolute hell because they've just been bussing like crazy. I find that it's usually easier to solve the game if at least 2 survive until later because then there's at least some incentive to not bus which can be read into, but if both wolves are poe'd immediately then it's hard to figure out who it is

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yeah I've kind of come around to that; want to see what she has to say today/see her claim fully, but

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Originally Posted by didistetter

lmao sunbae was towny, had a towny eod, and claimed PR for some reason.

taffy had the way sketcher claim.
@Lissa arctic is pretty obviously pr who went after taffy so strongly b/c of him not liking the anticlaim stuff.. So i don't love your direction in 720

what do you tr about maple? what are your thoughts on ender and ladd?

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Wait what

I didn't catch that at all, I mean multiple other people also still tried to kill taffy after the claim? I also really wish you didn't say that because I really do not think it was that obvious, so I hope you're wrong.

mostly I think maple is playing super weird if she is a wolf, I really don't think this is how she would be playing this game at all if she had randed wolf. a wolf maple looks at the game and has a 0 posting partner d1 in a REALLY villagery thread full of really strong players, she can surely tell she's gonna have to go deep this game. and just going rask if it turned out there wasn't really a better option at eod was clearly on several people's minds some way or another, I think, at least as some kind of faint consideration. I'm pretty confident she'd have picked up on that, and she both doesn't bus or try to at all look good and ALSO doesn't try to come up with any kind of real, meaningful alternative and just keeps tunneling annika?? idk it's really hard for me to see her choosing not to either try to capitalize on or avoid what happened and also for her to on top of that continue a tunnel that like everyone hates for no productive purpose

like if manti was a wolf she could've focused on pushing taffy or arctic (if they are villagers. if either is a wolf it's even weirder that she didn't try to get any kind of credit out of any of it, like ?????) or ladd (again if he is a villa but like... I mean these options aren't ALL gonna be wolves lol) or if there was another wolf also in danger it's MORE weird that she didn't actually either try to find a real alternative or take a side.

I just don't really see a wolf agenda in her posting at all. if she was a wolf she would be playing wildly different imo. there's a few different ways that could go depending on both her team and the choices she decides to make but none of them look anything like this.

also she would like, reaaallly want to win as a wolf in this playerlist lol

and her posting just isn't really advancing that, she's kinda off on her own adventure tryharding but in a way it's hard to imagine she thinks meaningfully advances her wincon as a wolf

I've actually talked myself into this read being stronger than it was before I typed this out. Her whole play this game is just completely at odds with how I imagine her approaching this game as a wolf.


ladd just kinda feels a bit idk, off. his posts just feel like they are missing something? he doesn't pop out as having done anything strongly villagery. not a read I feel super great about. shouldn't be a wolf with taffy though.

ender is a bit complicated. part of me just thinks they don't seem like they're on a team/in a wolfchat at all? certain kind of almost diconnected/off on their own. I don't see an agenda, they're just kind of meandering around thinking about things. but it's in such a way I kinda feel like I might be misreading a style thing? idk, I almost wrote them with a question mark in that second town tier.

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@ladd what do you make of the way lissa has posted wrt your slot, and her amenability to me suggesting a eod flashwagon on afk ladd for no reason other than someone claiming pr and dipping?

im kinda struggling with that dynamic, especially considering she +1d me telling arctic to not lim taffy, but seemed willing to flash an afk who frankly had no business being a d1 wagon

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I mean I wasn't village reading him and had a ton of village reads? And one of my not-village reads had claimed PR and I think it's never correct to go there on d1 after that.

Why are you acting like it's unreasonable to have considered/been interested in wagoning him when you were (as you acknowledged) literally suggesting it?

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Originally Posted by ladd

What do you mean when you say "specifically" for them?

I am also egoistically curious why you villaread me at the start of the game and whether that read has evolved since

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I don't mean anything specifically for Arctic. That was just like "I don't think it was specifically towny" as a way of emphasising I didn't find it towny. Probably bad word choice.

Oh and villaread was mostly around how I find you pick a target to bite into as wolf and didn't see that. Also just liked your posts.

Not really evolved and I probably need to review it now but haven't.

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Originally Posted by ladd

Dont think i didnt see you and benneh (and maybe waza? Idr) voting me lol nice try


I dont make much of it honestly, it lines up with what her reads were at the time i think. She never really v read me, didnt want to vote taffy cause pr claim, rask cause 0 posts

I'll probably sheep sunbae read there for now, and everyone who knows her better than me thinks she is a villager so am cool with it. They are like just outiside immediate PoE for me tho

If taffy/rask are both w she had a super rough EoD reads wise but given the context i am not even sure thats wolfy

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I will feel a bit silly if that turns out to be the case for sure

But not that silly, one was literally a 0 poster and I just think it's strictly incorrect to kill the claim there so shrug

Arctic is on a roll tbh. They def have a different style more focused on finding wolves, but I can see them as a villa now (I tr them). That also makes me wanna pay more attention to Visor.
Annika, I'm not 100% about their eod looking so good. I think they kind of ended on Rask after running out of options. Their only other option was Maple and he was pushing back. Also, the Rask wagon got traction, Rask was afk and so on. I guess I'm missing a wee bit what Benneh liked about their eod. I might change my mind after rereading.
I actually kind of like Maple during the eod. I can't elaborate, because I didn't keep notes.

Ladd and Taffy are players to talk about rn IMHO.
I quite liked Taffy after sitting in the thread with them, but I also disliked that claim a little bit. I like the way they articulate their reads and I felt I could follow how they arrived at their conclusions. There are things to check again. Who was pushing them and why they claimed in the end.
Ladd is a weird one. I quite like his posts overall, but he's a little bit under the radar instead of trying to lead or at least inspire village. Yesterday I thought he could had ramded a pro and that he was holding back to avoid N1 kill. Today, I'm not so sure so far. Technically, there's not a whole lot wrong about his posts today, but they mostly reacted to other players instead of for example pushing on their own.

Ender is also someone to throw in the Poe.
Waza - I don't want to consider them just for moving their vote. I guess I can wait a little a watch what their game today looks like. So far waza defender their eod move. I want to see where they are at.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Benneh is implying that Sunbae anticipated who was targetted and redirected onto himself. Therefore wolves were the ones that killed him but Sunbae was not the N1 therefore wolves weren't trying to silence sunbae

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Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.

Not gonna quote the full post cause i am on phone but manti can tryhard as a wolf and they can slank, assuming they would try hard or push an agenda is wrong iyam

I have seen them troll eods as a wolf and i dont really think they were in a position to push a mislunch and neither to grab credit by voting rask (tho its arfuable how much credit there even is to grab voting a 0 poster eheh)

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Oh and villaread was mostly around how I find you pick a target to bite into as wolf and didn't see that. Also just liked your posts.

Not really evolved and I probably need to review it now but haven't.

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Fair enuf on both



@Lissa ya i dont think there is anything wrong in not wanting to lunch taffy or rask to be clear

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Originally Posted by Lissa

Why are you acting like it's unreasonable to have considered/been interested in wagoning him when you were (as you acknowledged) literally suggesting it?

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don't think it's unreasonable. But also i wasn't actually interested in killing him eod. Ack your thoughts on maple. That's kinda where i'm at with her too. Her play doesn't really... seem conducive to winning as a wolf? espec with an afk teammate. If taffy is a wolf that probs just means wolves weren't in a great spot regardless, but in that world I'm assuming the third would be highest investment given the bother to fakeclaim.

Dunno.

I'm having a bit of a hard time landing on a team of two that feels ~right~ rn

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@EnderWiggin could you talk me through what about arctic you don't like?

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Originally Posted by didistetter

why?

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I think what made me post this was the part about Lissa. It just felt like a good evaluation.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

RIP Sunbae.

I still disagree that Arctic's EOD was specifically towny of em.

But there's enough people who seem to think that was clearing that it can't be just a wolf sentiment echo chamber and I have to consider strongly that I'm just five miles underneath the ground in my tunnel. So I'm gonna ignore Arctic for a bit and come back to it.

I also want to see what Taffy has to say.

I thought Maple had a terrible EOD. (This is definitely a unique viewpoint I see)

I think Benneh/Annika/Stett/Waza are all very towny from that EOD.

Need to get back to work will think more on this later.

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Why was waza's eod towny in your eyes? Benneh and others has been scrutinizing waza for that switch.

Btw Is there a way to count my posts and to isolate players?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.

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@pzelda what about this post is "just villa"

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.

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...huh? that post isn't alignment indicative, he was just explaining a mech point about sunbae's role and the night kill on benneh's behalf (literally re-iterating what he was implying) so i'm curious why you think this means anything

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Originally Posted by ladd

Not gonna quote the full post cause i am on phone but manti can tryhard as a wolf and they can slank, assuming they would try hard or push an agenda is wrong iyam

I have seen them troll eods as a wolf and i dont really think they were in a position to push a mislunch and neither to grab credit by voting rask (tho its arfuable how much credit there even is to grab voting a 0 poster eheh)

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i agree with this

like,, if wolf manti hard pushes a ML there then the wolves in rask/taffy just die shortly afterwards (probably..) and she can easily die right after that. and i don't think voting rask really does much for her either. i think this is easily a game where if you get randed with afk partners you just do some weird shit and lean into this sort of reasoning to get townread. or at least that's what i'd do

i think this point holds more legitimacy concerning the rest of her play in the phase which was originally why i had them as town, and do kinda vibe that way still, but it's not really enough to move the needle for me

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Originally Posted by Arctic

yeah I have been pretty lazy with this and I am sorry about that but when I'd clear you if taffy flips wolf and I really want to kill her it's kind of a waste of energy to evaluate you now. but I will do it if taffy ends up being town, I am not just gonna be screaming for your head so dw lol. gun to head you just wouldn't really move in my poe, but can't say for sure

why are you obsessed with why everyone is v reading dya? is the post about sunbae supposed to be some esoteric thing that nobody else should be reading into? because i've been locking them town over the same thing, it seems pretty straight forward to me. are you worried some people may be exhibiting TMI on them? otherwise i'm not really sure what the intrigue is here

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lol his line of questioning on dya is probs in the top 3 of towbiest things I read today, after your sod post which is verbatim what I planned to post myself later if I wanted to get some townread

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Originally Posted by didistetter

don't think it's unreasonable. But also i wasn't actually interested in killing him eod. Ack your thoughts on maple. That's kinda where i'm at with her too. Her play doesn't really... seem conducive to winning as a wolf? espec with an afk teammate. If taffy is a wolf that probs just means wolves weren't in a great spot regardless, but in that world I'm assuming the third would be highest investment given the bother to fakeclaim.

Dunno.

I'm having a bit of a hard time landing on a team of two that feels ~right~ rn

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@EnderWiggin could you talk me through what about arctic you don't like?

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Whats your thoughts on visor

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@pzelda what about this post is "just villa"

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I find it more likely coming from not a wolf (in a pack) mind. It's that kind of post explaining something a different player maybe wanted to hold back.
But thinking about it some more, it might be a wolf using another player to create a narrative and to wifom.

Ok, I guess It's not the best post to read into.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

I find it more likely coming from not a wolf (in a pack) mind. It's that kind of post explaining something a different player maybe wanted to hold back.
But thinking about it some more, it might be a wolf using another player to create a narrative and to wifom.

Ok, I guess It's not the best post to read into.

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i think you’re reading too much into that post. Ender says nothing new in it, he just said outright what I was saying clearer for Arctic

theres nothing wolfy or towny about it (IMHO)

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Originally Posted by waza

lol his line of questioning on dya is probs in the top 3 of towbiest things I read today, after your sod post which is verbatim what I planned to post myself later if I wanted to get some townread

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yeah in all honesty, i think he's been pretty townie today

i think him tinfoiling me and taffy as w/w and knowing taffy wouldn't go over is townie regardless of what taffy is, i'm not sure that's smth a wolf would be thinking of lol. also what you said, not sure i get what he's going for but i believe he cares about it / would be weird for a wolf to pry on. i also liked the way he said lissa's eod was bad if rask and taffy were wolves but that it wasn't necessarily wolfy in context (aka rask 0 poster and taffy claiming PR - it's not unreasonable to not want to kill either of those ppl) - feels like he's giving her the benefit of the doubt and evaluating ppl in good faith

It might be slightly unclear where I'm at:

Benneh/Stett/Dya
Arctic/Lissa
Visor/Maple/waza
Annika/Ladd/Ender/Taffy

I would say that there is't a single player who would be a blatant wolf. You're playing well. So, my Poe is more the least towny people than Wolfy players.

if visor is a wolf then i think he started the game trying to wolfside (pushes on stett, annika) and then realized that wasn't going to work and townsided towards eod

which i think is.. plausible, especially given how quiet he's been this game. normally in cases like this i'd expect a town siding wolf to try and establish themselves more with their posting, but i'm not entirely convinced here. i could easily see it being a case of him trying to get cred long enough to survive until the people who would catch him are dead and then he can start posting/openwolfing more, which would make sense given how he got townread pretty early on easily for some small things and he didn't wanna mess that up

i understand that.. it may seem as though i'm implying that wolf visor would be "scared" to post which is not fully accurate, just rather that it would be optimal given the circumstances, so i am sorry if this reasoning comes across as patronising >.< i think visor is a good wolf but i'm still a little sketched

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Originally Posted by ladd

Whats your thoughts on visor

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I liked his eod generally, and I think him joining me on rask was towny when w!visor can easily justify going on arctic. I think his posting has been in line with what i've seen from him before. I liked him trying to talk yall into scumming me and it felt like he was genuinely trying to understand why people TR me as opposed to a wolf being salty that I was getting townread.

(caveat idk if i've actually even seen w!visor)

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Originally Posted by pzelda

It might be slightly unclear where I'm at:

Benneh/Stett/Dya
Arctic/Lissa
Visor/Maple/waza
Annika/Ladd/Ender/Taffy

I would say that there is't a single player who would be a blatant wolf. You're playing well. So, my Poe is more the least towny people than Wolfy players.

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why do you have maple and waza as townier than annika and ladd?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Btw Is there a way to count my posts and to isolate players?

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if you go to main gameroom and click "replies" next to the thread you can see your postcount. You can also iso any person by clicking on their postcount.

you do need to know what # of posts you ended on d1 for that tho

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Originally Posted by didistetter

why do you have maple and waza as townier than annika and ladd?

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Waza is for their D1 activity, moving the game forward early on. I only want to open them again, if I find everyone bellow them to be towns.
Maple is just... Mantis isn't an easy player to read. But I actually liked that eod and sticking to guns. It makes sense Mantis is in the Poe but I also feel a little bit wrong about that.

Also, I wanted to make a point that the bottom four are the first players to look at for me.

Visor probably should be one tier above them in a tier of his own.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.

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It's a pretty mundane and fairly obvious mech observation, why?

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Originally Posted by ladd

Not gonna quote the full post cause i am on phone but manti can tryhard as a wolf and they can slank, assuming they would try hard or push an agenda is wrong iyam

I have seen them troll eods as a wolf and i dont really think they were in a position to push a mislunch and neither to grab credit by voting rask (tho its arfuable how much credit there even is to grab voting a 0 poster eheh)

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My thing is specifically that she's tryharding but specifically in a really unproductive way if she's a wolf and I'm pretty sure she would really want to win this game/in this playerlist as a wolf and approach it differently. Like including the leadup that got her to the point she was at at eod, not just eod itself.

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Originally Posted by didistetter

don't think it's unreasonable. But also i wasn't actually interested in killing him eod. Ack your thoughts on maple. That's kinda where i'm at with her too. Her play doesn't really... seem conducive to winning as a wolf? espec with an afk teammate. If taffy is a wolf that probs just means wolves weren't in a great spot regardless, but in that world I'm assuming the third would be highest investment given the bother to fakeclaim.

Dunno.

I'm having a bit of a hard time landing on a team of two that feels ~right~ rn

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@EnderWiggin could you talk me through what about arctic you don't like?

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Fair enough.

Agree finding a team that feels right is hard atm

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Btw Is there a way to count my posts and to isolate players?

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Vote counts have your postcount for the day

Can see overall postcount and iso players by going to the subforim/thread list and clicking the # of posts itt

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Why was waza's eod towny in your eyes? Benneh and others has been scrutinizing waza for that switch.

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Because it makes no narrative sense after his constant unvote/vote signalling to try and get people to vote Rask.

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@EnderWiggin could you talk me through what about arctic you don't like?

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@didistetter
First post - This is the read on me that I've been harping on about. Makes a shade-centric observation. "Idk if this is uncharitable" and then basically suggests I'm posting differently "flavoured" to when he was wolf and he + DZ voted me out when I was town.

Second post - I call him out on it and he then admits he "Knew it was uncharitable" and intentionally tries to point out how he wasn't really pushing it as if that's a defense. (Which 1. puts lie to the "Idk if it is uncharitable" line and 2. if you're shading someone usually the point is that you're trying to make OTHER PEOPLE be the direct attackers while you have just pushed it subtly in the background.)

Third post - Shading Visor after Visor is generally townread (Visor has in recent times been potential miselim bait due to not caring about putting effort in, something I vibe with strongly.) and also backing down off me after I have shown my teeth.

Fourth post - This one feels like trying to poke another to a conclusion that he's annoyed they haven't reached but this one is ~meh. I'm mostly including it because he makes a deal about someone's alignment with his reads. Which is relevant for the follow up:

Fifth Post - Because when Dya pointed out how Arctic is sussing her despite having generally aligned reads his reaction is to:
Sixth Post - ONCE AGAIN the person he has poe'd/shaded/sussed comes back at him for how odd it is or how uncharitable it is and the response is to placate. "I don't really sus you tbh" instead of the response to me, but I felt like it was an echo.

Seventh Post - Now instead of "Feeling like there's a difference between my shitposting last time" he's now backed down to "I just am saying I could see myself shrug yeeting you cause idk any way to read you." The backpeddling to seem reasonable is the real reason I sunk my teeth into this and don't want to let go.

Eighth Post - "It's not just that I disagree with your reads"
Ninth Post - "i think other players have been townier and i disagree with his reads"
(Also I have always hated "I disagree with your reads" as a wolfread because how often do two town get different reads on things? Very often. Even amongst good players.)

This is mostly included because I feel like it fits with the placation to the person he's sussing while just straight up shading them to others with buzzword statements.

As for his EOD, It basically is mainly the following:
1. A weird request for Taffy to find wolves or die
2. A immediate bad reaction to the claim
3. "I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk"
4. Waffles around then puts down "I'd vote any of taffy/maple/ladd/rask" (Note: He does not vote Rask)
5. Has been waffling around on the claim but as soon as he starts getting votes instantly goes nuclear on trying to revitalise it against Taffy

I don't think that EOD is particularly wolfy tbh. It's kinda midline for me. The Rask note is like hindsight not ~great but also not that damning either.

My point is idk why that seems to be universally townread.

But again, it's very possible I'm miles deep in the tunnel and not seeing things clearly.

I definitely can get that way.

Hmmmm taffy still not here

Time to tunnel the 0 poster v2

Vote:Taffy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Stu7h7Qup8

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 781

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Totally not Taffy	waza (12)
1	Maple	didistetter (13)
1	Arctic	nebjiamn (18)
10	Not Voting	Arctic (15), EnderWiggin (7), Lissa (5), Maple (7), Totally not Taffy (0), Visor (2), annika (3), dyachei (2), ladd (13), pzelda (10)

Ngl, I do hope that taffy flips town

But yeah it’s kinda hard to believe a supposed pr hasn’t checked in by now to check if they got nkd, give feedback of night actions or to clarify stuff about their role if necessary (it’s necessary)

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Originally Posted by didistetter

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
@nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

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You look at Rask's flip:

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Originally Posted by Gemma

Raskolnikov was:

You are [Symphony No. 4 by Gloria Coates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRatFogE0U)
Gloria Coates is top of all the lists. Her symphonies barely register as symphonies, instead they feel like a single, complex sound, which emerges from a crater in the Earth, changing and growing as the creature making the sound shifts slowly in the crust, or which looms watchfully out of sight behind the clouds. More than any other composer or musician, Gloria creates music not out of notes but out of raw feeling.

You are Demolitions Expert

You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.

You have the following abilities:

Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.[/spoiler]

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Then you look at my iso, and you come across these posts:

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

This is not a flavour claim. Good morning noontime all ~:wave:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04F4xlWSFh0

Taffy (1)

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This was not a flavour claim, it was mech claim, and

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

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Originally Posted by Maple

good point new plan

hardclaim bomb inventor

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I volunteer as tribute :tnt:

I promise I will not pick you :flowers:

Taffy (8)

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If you see Rask as a Mafia Firefighter (flavoured around bombs, and with a twist), then I'm the Town Arsonist (flavoured around bombs, and with a twist)

If I am lying, the real town bomb layer can simply bomb me. You should treat me as IC :holiday:

Taffy (1)

@Totally not Taffy and what made you so certain about anticlaim?

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Originally Posted by Maple

good point new plan

hardclaim bomb inventor

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uh hang on a sec lol

so @Maple you knew bombs were a thing.....

:inquisitive:

I was really frustrated at having to claim yesterday bc I thought we were giving the wolves extra kp but since they apparently don't have it I am rather happy with the situation bc now we can crowdsource my targets ~:grouphug:

I was initially going to do the right thing and holster N1 and possibly N2 bc my early reads are crap but given that I thought I might die I targeted Arctic last night. Seeing that Sunbae's rolecard says nothing about anticlaim it is now likely that Arctic is a PR who reasonably thought I was lying, but to me he looked like a wolf who went "we don't have an ability named anti-claim, this is a lying VT" and figured he could get me over.

I still think given how Arctic played D1 that the latter might be the case but I'm not going to push it bc if and when my bombs go off, either Arctic dies and we'll know or he's the one Sunbae died protecting (bc my bomb would've been redirected onto Sunbae and died with him) in which case he's town.

So we can solve around Arctic for the time being.

Taffy (2)

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

I volunteer as tribute :tnt:

I promise I will not pick you :flowers:

Taffy (8)

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@Totally not Taffy why didn't this message frmo maple concern you at all if you're a bomb arso?

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Originally Posted by didistetter

uh hang on a sec lol

so @Maple you knew bombs were a thing.....

:inquisitive:

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I had that same thought, but I don't think Maple would've defended me EoD1 when Rask was being voted if they were wolf buddies

Taffy (3)

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Originally Posted by Maple

taff and i -- i think -- have only played one game together? where we were w/w. But like, we didnt really *interact* in that game, so all yall talking about meta with her or w/e is beyond me, gonna take it on cred and deposite it in the bank (this is fraud). My personal read is "shrug dont really care". Dya is just getting into things, and I'm back and forth on them. Don't feel like elaborating rn, plus idt it matters?l.

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Originally Posted by Maple

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Oh ffs I'm PR and there's anti-claim get off you dunces

How many ways can I soft it

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Ohhhhhhhhh THATS what you meant

Lmao

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Originally Posted by Maple

You really think I need an excuse to vote a twink like you? cmon
50

2 minutes how are we kiling taf lol sheep me on this one yall

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@Totally not Taffy these were the only times maple came anywhere near to mentioning you lol. I'm not sure if you're misreading the last message but she wasn't defending you. Lissa and I explicitly pushed to dismantle the wagon on you and Maple through this out when we were already explicitly not limming you.

She wasn't saying sheep me on taffy town
She was asking us to sheep her on slaughtering annika


I'm confused how you're processing eod. Because it was: wagon on you -> you claim. -> i vote ladd, ben and maybe others followed -> sunbae claims -> mild panic -> annika pushes maple, maple pushes annika, arctic pushes you -> waza keeps voting and unvoting and trying to signal like a traffic light -> i say fuck this let's shrugyeet the 0 poster -> we shrug yeet the zero poster.

if anything manti instantly realizing you were crumbing looks worse given maf had mech knowledge of bombs.

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

You look at Rask's flip:



Then you look at my iso, and you come across these posts:



This was not a flavour claim, it was mech claim, and



If you see Rask as a Mafia Firefighter (flavoured around bombs, and with a twist), then I'm the Town Arsonist (flavoured around bombs, and with a twist)

If I am lying, the real town bomb layer can simply bomb me. You should treat me as IC :holiday:

Taffy (1)

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Unvote:taffy

Seems legit enough

I’ll reread tmrw and figure out where I wanna go

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@Totally not Taffy these were the only times maple came anywhere near to mentioning you lol. I'm not sure if you're misreading the last message but she wasn't defending you. Lissa and I explicitly pushed to dismantle the wagon on you and Maple through this out when we were already explicitly not limming you.

She wasn't saying sheep me on taffy town
She was asking us to sheep her on slaughtering annika


I'm confused how you're processing eod. Because it was: wagon on you -> you claim. -> i vote ladd, ben and maybe others followed -> sunbae claims -> mild panic -> annika pushes maple, maple pushes annika, arctic pushes you -> waza keeps voting and unvoting and trying to signal like a traffic light -> i say fuck this let's shrugyeet the 0 poster -> we shrug yeet the zero poster.

if anything manti instantly realizing you were crumbing looks worse given maf had mech knowledge of bombs.

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I do take those posts as her believing me and saying not to kill me
ymmv

You're right though that one of the ppl defending me might very well have been a wolf but I'd lean you or Lissa over Maple

Taffy (4)

Claim seems believable

Lettuce see tho

2. ladd
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
7. Maple
8. Lissa
9. Arctic
10. waza
11. Taffy
12. Ender
13. annika
14. dyachei
15. pzelda

Thread generally thinks Lissa and pzelda are clear

I think decent chance dya is clear

I'm reversing path on arctic, believe they believed their group of three was v and was struggling to figure out who is actually pulling the strings and I fit that bill easily

Annika improved over the day phase and voted wolf

Taffy pr

Ender possible wolf but also played in a way that was low ev

Maple played in a low ev way

Waza honestly no super strong impression but seems ok

Stett y'all think is clear

Then who's left?

Wolves are ladd and benneh

Potential for fourth wolf which is possibly ender (or perhaps someone we are thread clearing to easily)

Thinking about arctica D1 and how eod played out

vote: nebjiamn

The way benneh pushing for maple and how things are playing out seems Wolfy to me

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

I do take those posts as her believing me and saying not to kill me
ymmv

You're right though that one of the ppl defending me might very well have been a wolf but I'd lean you or Lissa over Maple

Taffy (4)

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:wowee:

why?

and maple did not defend you. Please read back eod. Maple's focus was entirely OMGUSing annika and shading arctic.

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visor be so fr what

why is ben wolf if your other reads are "thread thinks lissa and pzelda are clear" "yall think stett is clear" "waza is forgettable" "maple and ender are playing low ev"

what do YOU think

how does ben's play fit wolf agenda?

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Originally Posted by Visor

The way benneh pushing for maple and how things are playing out seems Wolfy to me

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does...

does maple

claiming bomb inventor d1

when we have a flipped wolf bomb diffuser
and taffy claiming bomb arso

not seem sus to you at all???????

also in no world is ladd/benneh ever a team benneh literally followed me onto ladd when i snapped there after taffy PR claimed

:lam:

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Originally Posted by didistetter

does...

does maple

claiming bomb inventor d1

when we have a flipped wolf bomb diffuser
and taffy claiming bomb arso

not seem sus to you at all???????

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It's post 63 who cares