Do you think Believer bussed BOTH his partners, including on a round where he could have easily not killed his own partner because it was just barely tied?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
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Do you think Believer bussed BOTH his partners, including on a round where he could have easily not killed his own partner because it was just barely tied?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
I do... it seems daring but I have no better suspects. What are the cases on Romanic, Csargo and Secura?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Also, he would have died himself, had he moved his vote...
For you, anything. Let's wait until daytime though, don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
At first I was mildly annoyed by your obsession with me. Then it became sort of funny in a way, I thought you were playing us for laughs. Now I'm inclined to believe all humanity is doomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
For my own suspects, which you so kindly asked for, I have two.
Romanic
Splitpersonality
I believe neither one of them and Romanic the least.
You're trying to hard to look like you're on the town's side, that's what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
The reverse applies to you, though! Your post that I quoted looks as though you're leading us away from Blackadder and towards Believer!Quote:
Looks to me like an attempt to lead us away from Believer, claiming that he wanted to vote for Believer but didn't get to it? Somehow I don't believe it. Also, never believe what dead scum tell you, right?
Are you for real? After everything I've posted, after all my votes... you're genuinely saying that I'm still a suspect? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
No, we don't wait until the next day phase, because I might not be alive by then; I want to know now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
Right, simple question; why don't you believe either of them? They've claimed roles, which is a darn sight more than yourself, TLD or Csargo.Quote:
I believe neither one of them and Romanic the least.
Unless you're proven innocent, we can only suspect. Therefore you are a suspect however likely/unlikely.Quote:
Are you for real? After everything I've posted, after all my votes... you're genuinely saying that I'm still a suspect?
The fact that I lynched classical_hero and Captain Blackadder counts for nothing, right? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Nope. Counts for absolutely nothing. :P
You could be bussing.
Oh I'm so weak for the ladies..
I'm Shakira. I am Neutral/Good.
My main objective is to survive until the end of the game. My secondary goal is to eliminate the mafia faction. My flourish is to be the last female alive.
If you have any further questions, ask.
If you say so..Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Fair enough, I still think Believer's guilty, that's why I made that post. CB made the post I quoted after he died and it looks like a distraction tactic to meQuote:
The reverse applies to you, though! Your post that I quoted looks as though you're leading us away from Blackadder and towards Believer!
I don't think you're guilty but one of these people has to be. If ATPG thinks it's too far fetched to believe that Believer bussed both his partners I want to see cases on who he thinks is guilty.Quote:
Are you for real? After everything I've posted, after all my votes... you're genuinely saying that I'm still a suspect? :inquisitive:
I have revealed as much as you have, stating everything, from my alignments to my goals, all I have kept back is my role and you have done the same so far, but there you have it: I am Dido Armstrong.Quote:
Right, simple question; why don't you believe either of them? They've claimed roles, which is a darn sight more than yourself, TLD or Csargo.
I want to see a role reveal from you now...
I think you need to re-read my votes for those two lynches, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
So we now have three neutral/good female characters who have roleclaimed, two of them with the flourish to be the last female alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
I'd say it was inherent to the role but my flourish is different.
Either you're lying about your flourish or your role.
Here my opinion on why you could be bussing:
Assuming you are scum and there are two more players, neutral or town, it doesn't matter.
Everyone questions each other. You point out that you voted for both scum players, along with some other crap. One of them at least believes you, or both do, and they vote for one another. Then, you win. It wouldn't be too hard to convince someone after bussing both your mafia partners. Risky strategy, but I'd bet you could do it.
Didn't DE state something like the flourishes are unique? If that's the case something's wrong there.
btw, I haven't revelaed my flourish yet and it was to keep Eminem alive, I had abilities to check people at night whether they were Eminem and an ability that would make Eminem's goals mirror mine if used on him.
TLD, that sounds decent.
So Romanic, Believer and Csargo need to talk.
There.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
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I haven't revealed my flourish either.
Interesting; this is precisely the same flourish as Romanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
I'm the most commercially successful songwriter ever and my popularity transcends even Michael Jackson's... and despite being such a cool musician, I'm completely vanilla; it's like being Commander Shepard in CoV all over again. >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Secura = Paul McCartney?
Bah. Being me I forgot my real flourish, copy-pasting from my Role PM now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
"Victory Condition (Neutral): Survive to the end of the game.
Secondary Goal (Good Favor & Neutral Popularity): All "Bad" Popularity characters are defeated.
Flourish: Be the only one of your exact alignment to survive."
Ok, so far we have:
TLD:
claimed role: Dido Armstrong
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: Eminem survives
Secura
claimed role: -
good/neuitral? (hope I remember correctly)
Vic: all baddies killed
sec: stay alive
flourish: 5 g/g players survive
split:
claimed role: Brtney Spears
neutral/good (?)
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: ?
Romanic
claimed role: -
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: only female remaining
Believer:
claimed role: Shakira
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: All baddies killed
flourish: only female remaining
Csargo:
? have we heard anything from him?
Please correct me if I made mistakes...
You think too much of me in that respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Romanic's told us pretty much everything about his role already, including all his night results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Believer's revealed a bit but it's contradictory with the rules.
Csargo hasn't revealed anything, but looks more town than anyone due to the fact his suspicion and votes against Blackadder remained consistent from round-to-round... you can't really call that bussing. :P
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Originally Posted by Believer
Fristly, quoting PM's is not allowed as per DE's rules :wink:
Secondly, that is my flourish :laugh4:
I can't remember who's alive. :embarassed:
I'd do it. And everyone here is a better player than me, so I bet they could pull it off easier and more sucessful than I could. From what I have seen, you most definitely could do it.Quote:
You think too much of me in that respect.
Then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty
I can't take this all the fudging time. Whatever I give you, you find something wrong with it or demand more. I can't give it to you. This is all that I am. Let DE WoG me if I've broken his rules. I'm too tired to care at this time.
Also, if you are for realz with the flourish thing, you need to die because you are a liar.
Revised List:
TLD:
claimed role: Dido Armstrong
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: Eminem survives
Secura
claimed role: Paul McCartney?
good/neutral? (hope I remember correctly)
Vic: all baddies killed
sec: stay alive
flourish: 5 g/g players survive
split:
claimed role: Britney Spears
neutral/good (?)
Vic: stay alive
Sec: all baddies killed
flourish: only neutral/good remaining (claimed after Believer claimed it)
Romanic
claimed role: Mariah Carey
good/good
Vic: all baddies killed
Sec: survive?
flourish: only female remaining
Believer:
claimed role: Shakira
neutral/good
Vic: stay alive
Sec: All baddies killed
flourish: first claim: only female remaining, second claim: only neutral/good remaining
Csargo:
? no claims thus far
Please correct me if I made mistakes...
Quoting PMs in the PUBLIC THREAD is not against the rules
My mistake then :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
On 6-12-11 at 16:04 EST I privately claimed my role to Secura, with flourish.
She should be able to back this up.
That's Sir to you! :3Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Isn't copy-pasting forbidden by the rules? That's the usual approach, otherwise everyone would have done it already. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Believer
TheLastDays:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Role: Dido Armstrong
Neutral Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: Survival
Secondary: All Bad Popularity roles die
Flourish: Eminem survives
Secura
Role: - Paul McCartney
Good Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: All Bad Popularity roles die
Secondary: Survival
Flourish: Five Good/Good roles, including myself, survive the game
split:
Role: Britney Spears
Neutral Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: Survival
Secondary: All Bad Popularity roles die
Flourish: Only surviving Neutral/Good
Romanic
Role: Mariah Carey
Good Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: All Bad Popularity roles die
Secondary: Survival
Flourish: Only surviving female
Believer:
Role: Shakira
Neutral Popularity - Good Favour
Victory: Survival
Secondary: All Bad Popularity roles die
Flourish: Only surviving Neutral/Good
Csargo:
Role: -unknown-
-unknown- Popularity - -unknown- Favour
Victory: -unknown-
Secondary: -unknown-
flourish: -unknown-
I have that right here:Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty
:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty via PM - 06/12/2011, 21:04 BST
Thanks Secura, looks much better this way :sweatdrop:
So, if the two claiming town, Secura and Romanic, are honest, I guess that Csargo is town too... What your list doesn't include is, that Believer changed his call on what is his flourish and still ended up on a flourish first claimed by someone else (if what split says about privately claiming it to you is correct)
After all this, everything still points to the guy who has been my suspect all along or does anyone disagree?
I've divided everyone up into their respective alignment categories, based on reveals upon death and claims in thread.
Good/Good
johnhughthom - Mark Knopfler
Renata - Michael Jackson
Romanic - Mariah Carey
Askthepizzaguy - Enya
Secura - Paul McCartney
Seon - Bob Dylan
Good/Neutral
B Ray - Tupac Shakur
Chaotix - Eric Clapton
Good/Bad
Visorslash - Thom Yorke
Neutral/Good
TheLastDays - Dido Armstrong
Spl1tPersonality - Britney Spears
Khazaar - Lady Gaga
Believer - Shakira
Neutral/Neutral
Autolycus - Eminem
Neutral/Bad
robbiecon - Kanye West
Bad/Bad
classical_hero - Phil Collins
Captain Blackadder - Justin Bieber
-unknown-
Csargo
Looking at how many Good/Good roles there were... bit of a harsh flourish, DE! :<
Romanic should scan Csargo, btw.
Just kill me tonight and it's all over. Or you can wait until the lynch to see how awfully wrong you've been the past.. Week? or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
I think all the flourishes were rather hard to achieve...
Better yet I could investigate you tonight and see what your popularity is :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
Or rather, I could finish my investigation on you.
I was Bad/Neutral, Secura.
I'm a man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Wait... when did you mention that you were a Popularity scanner?Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Also, Good/Neutral
Exactly my thouhgts when I read that post...Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Thusfar I haven't, but now seems good a time as any, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Where's your results, then? What did you mean "finish my investigation"? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty
The ability requires that I investigate a person two times to get the result.
As of right now I have no results, but I have one investigation on Romanic, Secura, and Believer.
You have your host's empathy (and identification :wink:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
I actually phrased it to avoit the word "unique". They are different and without pattern. It is possible for two characters to have the same flourish, but there would be no stone-set pattern like the Secondary Goals. I hope this isn't too misleading. And it's all hypothetical, of course, I can't confirm or deny any claims in thread before the end of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Thanks for the clarification DE... so in fact Believer and split could both have the same flourish...
Still I don't doubt Secura and Romanic that much and it doesn't really make sense to start another investigation... I think you should finish Believer tonight, split...
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Originally Posted by TheLastDays
I was unaware that we could have the same flourish, thank you for the clarification DE :bow:
I don't doubt them either, but I'm not sure...
That's a lot of neutral female claims. The current numbers are:
10 Good
6 Neutral
2 Bad
Either one good or one neutral is lying about his claim, so we'd have 10-5-3 or 9-6-3. Personally I think five neutrals is a lot, let alone six, so I doubt the Good claims are false.
Also it makes sense for a woman to be the graceful killer, which is also pointing toward the neutral females (or me I guess).
Music Mafia
End of Night Six...
Secura was mumbling to himself as he was returning to his room after the recent voting. Hiding in the shadows ahead of him was a concealed, slim figure. As he passed it by, he hummed to himself "but another lonely night, might take forever... Hmm hmm..."
The figure stepped out right behind him, silent and graceful. "If you feel that way, then..!", and it brought a piece of cloth around his neck and began strangling him. Secura struggled against the attacker, first violently, then more and more passively until, at last, he collapsed lifelessly onto the floor.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Players Alive(5):
TheLastDays
Romanic
Csargo
Spl1tPersonality
Believer
It is now day seven!
Night falls in roughly 24 hours, at 10 PM CEST!
Hey Secura, you got yourself killed! :)
T'was inevitable, I'm only surprised that I survived this long. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Believer: 3 (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Romanic)
Captain Blackadder: 3 (Secura, Believer, Csargo)
Csargo: 1 (Captain Blackadder)
No-bus/easy-bus options for mafia: Romanic, split, TLD
Would have to agree on cross-bus, do the circumstances fit?: Believer, Csargo
3 Spl1tp3r50nal1ty (AskThePizzaGuy, Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero)
1 Believer (Robbiecon)
6 Classical_Hero (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Renata, Secura, Romanic, Believer)
No-bus/ easy-bus options for mafia: Believer (lynch already accomplished), split (no reasonable expectation that the bandwagon on him would fail)
“I mean it” bus: Romanic
Not sure, need to look at circumstances again: TLD
Note on split: in his vote on CH here, he calls CH “scum” – any indication of any previous leanings in that direction?
Visorslash: 3 (Romanic, Classical_Hero, Believer)
Robbiecon: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Classical_Hero: 2 (AskThePizzaGuy, TheLastDays)
Csargo: 2 (Visorslash, Robbiecon)
Chaotix: 1 (Spl1tp3r50nal1ty)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (Csargo)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty: 1 (Captain Blackadder)
TLD could have gotten CH lynched easily. I have a paranoid feeling that CH’s lynch was not entirely a bad thing for the mafia, but TLD is honestly not pinging me overall. He’s playing much looser than he did the two recent times he was mafia.
Believer, on the other hand, is not his usual self; and his vote made CH safe. Split’s vote was safe. Romanic’s stunk. Timing of Csargo’s needs to be checked.
Autolycus: 3 (Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, AskThePizzaGuy, Classical_Hero)
Secora: 2 (Robbiecon, Autolycus)
Visorslash: 2 (Csargo, B_ray)
Believer: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Renata: 1 (Believer)
No known or prospective mafia in trouble until late (Secura’s vote on Believer). CH’s vote on Autolycus saves Believer from danger. Csargo votes Visor, split votes Auto, both early. Believer votes me as the last (counted) vote of the day. Nothing from TLD or Romanic?
Visorslash: 4 (Seon, Renata, Khazaar, johnhughthom)
johnhughthom: 4 (Secura, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, TheLastDays, AskThePizzaGuy)
Khazaar: 2 (B_ray, Romanic)
B_Ray: 2 (Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty: 1 (Autolycus)
Robbiecon: 1 (Csargo)
TheLastDays: 1 (Visorslash)
Autolycus: 1 (Believer)
No mafia on the radar here anywhere. Split and TLD vote JHT, Romanic votes Khazaar, Csargo votes robbiecon, Believer votes Autolycus.
Summary – Believer has the most connections to CH, but yesterday’s bandwagon on CB needs to be looked at, as well as his first day four vote on classical hero being considered. Split is by far the easiest to fit into a scenario where nobody actually put another mafia in serious danger.
No comments on the other three for now.
I want to hear split's scanner results...
Also how could I have easily gotten CH lynched that day? I really tried but the trap-wagon on Visor couldn't really be stopped...
I mean that after I had added my vote, at one point it was tied 3-3, which could have ended badly for CH. (He could easily have been lynched.) You pointing out the wagon on Visorslash was at one point much bigger doesn't actually help your case. :)
I honestly didn't read the whole thing yesterday, but didn't believer vote for both scumbags and also state falsehoods twice for what his flourish was?
PIS plus lies = Then I saw his face, now I'm a Believer, not a trace of doubt in my mind, he's a scum.
Problem: He's active and he votes and he's voted for both scumbags and he's not dead. Why's that?
Because I'm being such a good girl, honey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Vote: Romanic
Here's a list of claims again:
Good (2)
Csargo (unknown male) - Good Neutral
Romanic (Mariah Carey) - Good Good
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Neutral (3)
Believer (Shakira) - Neutral Good
Split (Britney Spears) - Neutral Good
TheLastDays (Dido Armstrong) - Neutral Good
If we're working with the usual rules, and I think we are, then the mafia would win if Csargo (or myself) was lying about their alignment, because it would be 1 Town vs 1 Mafia, which is a winning situation for the mafia.
I'm ready to give Csargo a pass based on that, and also because I've scanned him as a male last night, since the last writeup shows a "slim figure" performing the kill - Again pointing to a woman.
Things that I'd like to hear about:
1) Split's scan result.
2) Csargo and Believer's abilities, if they have one?
This is possibly the last turn we have to lynch a mafia, or they can kill one Good player and win. Any information can help, and I'm particularly interested in Believer's ability, since he hasn't claimed one, and is under suspicion.
Also, Believer why are you voting for me?
I have a small chance of negating a night action upon myself, passive ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
Because I think you're scum.
I don't have a ability. I'd like to hear what split's results were.
Believer you aren't really helping yourself here.
Why do you think that I'm scum? What's your case?Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
Your ability looks out of place in this game. Looks like something that would fit into ATPG Mafia, 10% resistance hidden talent or something. :grin:
You are too smart to be so zoned in on me for so many rounds. Not even you can honestly believe I would buss both my mafia buddies in my first game as scum. That's just too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
I don't believe your scanning ability. I think you are hiding behind a bogus detective claim. I had revealed my gender earlier to other people which I know you also talk to. You are known to me as the statistical master and almighty knower of facts. It would be so easy for you to fake that claim. Give it up.
It this the part where I'm supposed to blush? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
Sure I knew from Renata that you were female, and that's part of why I was scanning you as I thought my ability could go through cover roles, and that I could catch a scum if they had a cover role with a different gender. But there was no way for me to be sure that you were really female. What if you were lying, for any reason? I would be caught lying about my role. You talk like it's an easy thing to fake, when it's not really easy. I claimed on Day 3 to Renata, then to Secura, so I would be required to come up with scans every day.
Also, about bussing your two teammates on your first Scum game - I don't know that this is your first game as Scum. Perhaps here on the ORG, but you've been playing on other sites before coming here. Weren't you playing in that pevergreen game on some other site?
Thus I don't have any idea about your experience level, you're drawing conclusions for me on knowledge that I don't have. Afaik you could be addicted to bussing when Scum, or completely shy to vote your partner. How am I supposed to know?
Well I for one believe that you could have done that, here's my reasoning (all with the hypothetical assumtpion that you're scum):
Both you and CB had 3 votes, yours was on CB, his was on Csargo. The only way to save CB would have been to lynch you, by either CB placing his vote on you or you moving your vote anywhere.
Well, you couldn't really move your vote, how would you have explained that? You would have gotten lynched and we would have seen your bad alignment and instantly everyone would have been all over CB because there was no reason whatsoever to move your vote, other than saving your scumpartner. Now this would have been a good tactic, if CB wasn't scum. But he was...
If CB had placed his vote on you he still had a great deal of suspicion on him. Csargo, Secura seemed to be 100% sure he had to die while I was the only one making such a strong case on you. Given my history of being new to the game and doing a stupid thing round 1 you two probably decided your survival chances were at least slightly higher so they decided to let you live and that could only be accomplished by you bussing your partner (again).
Now after that all you've been doing is defending, by saying people are stupid because they are so set on you and they should finally let go and you couldn't possibly lynch both your partners. I don't know you, so as far as I'm concerned you're capable of anything that the game mechanics allow. That goes for everyone.
On the other hand I find it highly improbable for Romanic to have faked this scan results. He has claimed them to Secura in private before any of thee people revealed their gender. Please correct me, if I'm wrong, Secura. Saying he made that all up in his mind by using statistics... now that is far fetched. 18 players in a game is not a big enough sample for statistics to be that accurate. Also, if Romanic was lying about his popularity there'd be one less good in the game. That would mean that 1) probably the Mafia had already won, although I think DE would still let the game run because of the three neutrals left that could make it swing any direction. But 2) it would mean there's A LOT of neutrals in comparison to town. I don't think that's the case, esp. if your only case on Romanic is the strange claim that he made up his scan results.
No, in fact I think you're going after him because, even though split or myself would, from voting history and such, be better suspects, a number of players have stated they don't find us suspicious while Romanic has at least drawn some suspicion over time. Going for who dreew the most suspicion is clear scum tactic, especially when that player isn't really a good target anymore, logically speaking.
Now that was all thoughts, what I'd like to see now are split's scanner results, because if Romanic is scum at least split's results should be honest ;)
And also, to everyone (even the dead still reading): Did your abilities correspond with a song by your role? My ability to convert Eminem was called "Take my Hand" - iirc the song they did together. It'd be interesting to see if DE did something similar with every role and then I'd like to hear what the song behind your night ability was, Believer.
So, I'm still waiting for some pieces of the puzzle to fall into place but for now I'll vote: Believer
I, for one, think Diamondeye is guilty even though he's the host, because he's always guilty. He's a vampire, and I can't believe you people can't see it.
Looks like I can squeeze in a post before I shower and head to work, but I may not be able to respond for some time after this.
Anyway, I'm going to go against form here and suggest that you lynch Romanic; forging results is not beyond the realms of possibility for someone with such a knack for statistics. Also, I really dislike how you're suddenly heaps more active now that myself, Renata and Pizza are all dead; where have you been for the rest of the game?
You'll note that I've suggested Romanic for the lynch rather than yourself, but I'd just like to say that if it does turn out that you're the remaining mafia, then using this as reasoning not to lynch you is really weak, dude; anything is possible on your first game as scum, I think I'm testament to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
I am dead, so I can neither confirm nor deny anything that has been said to me privately.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Oh ok, I wasn't aware of that rule but fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Secura
I can confirm that being dead is smashing. There's a bright light in front of me, and all around is dark. I'm not wearing any clothing, and I can see all my friends from the .org. There's a keyboard, and a mouse.... oh wait I'm still in my room.
I should elaborate; while it would be difficult to forge a result against Renata when there's no suggestion of her role in-thread, it's possible that this was more a case of a silver tongue and a stroke of luck or something... perhaps Romanic coaxed the information out of her in private, who can say? However, it'd be easy to reveal c_h's gender if he was on your side, and there were in-thread claims for Pizza/split, unsure about Believer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Truth be told, I'm just looking at a contingency plan, an alternative to Believer's probable four vote wagon; in the event that he is innocent, you've basically created a bandwagon for the scummer to hide in and it's curtains.
The case on me has never been strong, that is more or less proven given all the strong names only giving me a round or so of suspicioun. You and Romanic are the only ones who are completely blind to any other suspect and will suffer the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
On another note, if I was scum wouldn't I kill atleast 1 of the people who's been on my tail for like a week now? No one would think it wierd if TLD or Romanic died at one point.
Also notice how all the big'uns who doesn't suspect me are dead, Renata, ATPG and Secura. Please tell me how any of this makes sense and I might not switch my vote to you.
You can put your vote anywhere you want and if you're town and think that I am guilty, it's good if you vote for me. And I am not dead set on you yet.
Also sorry for the mixed up words, what I was trying to say is, I was the only one going strong after you I wasn't necessarily referring to the "quality" of my case against you.
But instead of only threatening me, GIVE me an alternative because whatever you or anyone might think, I know I'm not the Mafia so I need a place to put my vote. I find it highly improbable that there's so many neutrals in this game and that Romanic has forged his results, being completely correct with every guess... because that is such an extremely risky thing and he did it early too, without much pressure on him. Just imagine one of his guesses turned out wrong, we all knew he was forging, why would he do that? Because he's scum... There's too much risk involved for too little gain to be doing such a thing, imo.
And the scum is not killing TLD because TLD is a neutral and scums don't have to kill neutrals to win this game, it's that simple...
Why Romanic's still alive... no idea, maybe another bold move, I really can't say at the moment, I still want to see split's results before I can make any clear decision
Well there goes the fake ending :sad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
unvote, vote: Diamondeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Go-Go case "Diamondeye is Rebecca Black"!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Seriously though, I'm not. So lay off :sweatdrop:
Don't you have better arguments? This is clearly scum tactics!Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondeye
Tsk, I don't qualify to eat at the same table as those two! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Believer
Unless this was the assumption that he was hoping for, removing the more experienced players because they would be more likely to pick up on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Ask yourself this, then; why would the mafia kill me, Good/Good vanilla, when they could kill Romanic, supposed Good/Good scanner and actually a better player? Something to consider.Quote:
Why Romanic's still alive... no idea, maybe another bold move, I really can't say at the moment, I still want to see split's results before I can make any clear decision
It definitely is something to consider and I'm considering all the time here...
But IF Romanic is good/good the scanning ability is useless by now so there's no need to remove him because of that.
As for him being the better player I wouldn't sign that...
We're not removing him because his ability is supposedly useless, we're removing him because he's a potential mafioso; you believe that the results are unlikely to have faked, and that's a fair opinion to have... but then, what if he was a mafia scanner or something similar? We've seen such roles before, in Chaotix's Council of Villains game, with one mafia group scanning a member of the other on the first night.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
So the question is, does his flourish to be the final surviving female really sound cohesive with a town victory? Heck, does it really sound like the sorta flourish a Good/Good character would have?
It was also stated earlier in the game (by Romanic himself!) that claiming Neutral Popularity would be the easier as scum; I concede that this is a valid point, but it also serves to deflect attention towards those claiming neutrality rather than anyone who claimed Good Pop, such as Romanic himself.
That's all valid points and it'll all go into my consideration...
You misunderstood my point though:
You stated it's strange the Mafia eliminated you instead of him, since he's a scanner and a better player and thus more dangerous for the Mafia.
All I said his ability was of no danger for the Mafia anymore by last night and I wouldn't say he's a better player than you are, so there was no reason for the Mafia to rather remove him instead of you.
What I really wanna say is, where are the others? I need to hear from Csargo and especially from split and his scanning results before making this important decision today...
I could list the miriad of reasons why Romanic is better, but I will keep it to one; he has a fantastic grasp of statistics (there's a reason he's a Senior Member after a year! :P) and seems to record the votes of every single player for every game that he plays (and beyond!), using this information to direct him towards specific targets and facilitate his arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
He hasn't really been doing that much in this game, and one has to ask why.
split isn't a scanner, I thought that was obvious; look at the context of the conversation during the night phase, look at the amount of attention I drew to myself (Renata picked up on it!) and then ask yourself why split might lie about being a scanner at that stage...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Well I can't say anything about Romanic's access to data either, but relying on the truth of his scan results is not a good case for his innocence regardless, as there's no reason the mafia could not have a scanner themselves (perhaps to identify neutrals, for instance).
If it was up to me I'd probably lynch split today.
Good idea, Romanic, why are you acting different this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
See, that's exactly my problem, I don't know you guys, I wouldn't notice a change in Romanic's gameplay because I have never played with him before.
Also of course it's very much possible that split was lying, I'd still like to see what he has to say about it
hm hm hm...
ok, before anyone gets any ideas and counts my last vote as serious
unvote
so far we have:
Romanic: 1 (Believer)
that's it... ok, split seems like he hasn't been on so far but Romanic and Csargo both have posted in this thread, yet none of them voted: Why?