Music Mafia [Concluded]

[Splitpersonality]

The ability requires that I investigate a person two times to get the result.

As of right now I have no results, but I have one investigation on Romanic, Secura, and Believer.

[Diamondeye]

Oh I'm so weak for the ladies..

You have your host's empathy (and identification )

Didn't DE state something like the flourishes are unique? If that's the case something's wrong there.

I actually phrased it to avoit the word "unique". They are different and without pattern. It is possible for two characters to have the same flourish, but there would be no stone-set pattern like the Secondary Goals. I hope this isn't too misleading. And it's all hypothetical, of course, I can't confirm or deny any claims in thread before the end of the game.

[TheLastDays]

Thanks for the clarification DE... so in fact Believer and split could both have the same flourish...

Still I don't doubt Secura and Romanic that much and it doesn't really make sense to start another investigation... I think you should finish Believer tonight, split...

[Splitpersonality]

Thanks for the clarification DE... so in fact Believer and split could both have the same flourish...

Still I don't doubt Secura and Romanic that much and it doesn't really make sense to start another investigation... I think you should finish Believer tonight, split...

I was unaware that we could have the same flourish, thank you for the clarification DE

I don't doubt them either, but I'm not sure...

[Romanic]

That's a lot of neutral female claims. The current numbers are:

10 Good
6 Neutral
2 Bad

Either one good or one neutral is lying about his claim, so we'd have 10-5-3 or 9-6-3. Personally I think five neutrals is a lot, let alone six, so I doubt the Good claims are false.

Also it makes sense for a woman to be the graceful killer, which is also pointing toward the neutral females (or me I guess).

[Diamondeye]

Music Mafia
End of Night Six...

Secura was mumbling to himself as he was returning to his room after the recent voting. Hiding in the shadows ahead of him was a concealed, slim figure. As he passed it by, he hummed to himself "but another lonely night, might take forever... Hmm hmm..."
The figure stepped out right behind him, silent and graceful. "If you feel that way, then..!", and it brought a piece of cloth around his neck and began strangling him. Secura struggled against the attacker, first violently, then more and more passively until, at last, he collapsed lifelessly onto the floor.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Secura was Sir Paul McCartney

He was of good popularity and of good favor with the DJ!

Players Alive(5):
TheLastDays
Romanic
Csargo
Spl1tPersonality
Believer

It is now day seven!
Night falls in roughly 24 hours, at 10 PM CEST!

[Renata]

Hey Secura, you got yourself killed! :)

[Secura]

Hey Secura, you got yourself killed! :)

T'was inevitable, I'm only surprised that I survived this long. :3

[Renata]

Believer: 3 (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Romanic)
Captain Blackadder: 3 (Secura, Believer, Csargo)
Csargo: 1 (Captain Blackadder)

No-bus/easy-bus options for mafia: Romanic, split, TLD
Would have to agree on cross-bus, do the circumstances fit?: Believer, Csargo

3 Spl1tp3r50nal1ty (AskThePizzaGuy, Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero)
1 Believer (Robbiecon)
6 Classical_Hero (TheLastDays, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, Renata, Secura, Romanic, Believer)

No-bus/ easy-bus options for mafia: Believer (lynch already accomplished), split (no reasonable expectation that the bandwagon on him would fail)
“I mean it” bus: Romanic
Not sure, need to look at circumstances again: TLD

Note on split: in his vote on CH here, he calls CH “scum” – any indication of any previous leanings in that direction?

Visorslash: 3 (Romanic, Classical_Hero, Believer)
Robbiecon: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Classical_Hero: 2 (AskThePizzaGuy, TheLastDays)
Csargo: 2 (Visorslash, Robbiecon)
Chaotix: 1 (Spl1tp3r50nal1ty)
Captain Blackadder: 1 (Csargo)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty: 1 (Captain Blackadder)

TLD could have gotten CH lynched easily. I have a paranoid feeling that CH’s lynch was not entirely a bad thing for the mafia, but TLD is honestly not pinging me overall. He’s playing much looser than he did the two recent times he was mafia.

Believer, on the other hand, is not his usual self; and his vote made CH safe. Split’s vote was safe. Romanic’s stunk. Timing of Csargo’s needs to be checked.

Autolycus: 3 (Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, AskThePizzaGuy, Classical_Hero)
Secora: 2 (Robbiecon, Autolycus)
Visorslash: 2 (Csargo, B_ray)
Believer: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Renata: 1 (Believer)

No known or prospective mafia in trouble until late (Secura’s vote on Believer). CH’s vote on Autolycus saves Believer from danger. Csargo votes Visor, split votes Auto, both early. Believer votes me as the last (counted) vote of the day. Nothing from TLD or Romanic?

Visorslash: 4 (Seon, Renata, Khazaar, johnhughthom)
johnhughthom: 4 (Secura, Spl1tp3r50nal1ty, TheLastDays, AskThePizzaGuy)
Khazaar: 2 (B_ray, Romanic)
B_Ray: 2 (Captain Blackadder, Classical_Hero)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty: 1 (Autolycus)
Robbiecon: 1 (Csargo)
TheLastDays: 1 (Visorslash)
Autolycus: 1 (Believer)

No mafia on the radar here anywhere. Split and TLD vote JHT, Romanic votes Khazaar, Csargo votes robbiecon, Believer votes Autolycus.

Summary – Believer has the most connections to CH, but yesterday’s bandwagon on CB needs to be looked at, as well as his first day four vote on classical hero being considered. Split is by far the easiest to fit into a scenario where nobody actually put another mafia in serious danger.

No comments on the other three for now.

[TheLastDays]

I want to hear split's scanner results...

Also how could I have easily gotten CH lynched that day? I really tried but the trap-wagon on Visor couldn't really be stopped...

[Renata]

I mean that after I had added my vote, at one point it was tied 3-3, which could have ended badly for CH. (He could easily have been lynched.) You pointing out the wagon on Visorslash was at one point much bigger doesn't actually help your case. :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I honestly didn't read the whole thing yesterday, but didn't believer vote for both scumbags and also state falsehoods twice for what his flourish was?

PIS plus lies = Then I saw his face, now I'm a Believer, not a trace of doubt in my mind, he's a scum.


Problem: He's active and he votes and he's voted for both scumbags and he's not dead. Why's that?

[Believer]

I honestly didn't read the whole thing yesterday, but didn't believer vote for both scumbags and also state falsehoods twice for what his flourish was?

PIS plus lies = Then I saw his face, now I'm a Believer, not a trace of doubt in my mind, he's a scum.


Problem: He's active and he votes and he's voted for both scumbags and he's not dead. Why's that?

Because I'm being such a good girl, honey.

Vote: Romanic

[Romanic]

Here's a list of claims again:

Good (2)
Csargo (unknown male) - Good Neutral
Romanic (Mariah Carey) - Good Good
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Neutral (3)
Believer (Shakira) - Neutral Good
Split (Britney Spears) - Neutral Good
TheLastDays (Dido Armstrong) - Neutral Good

If we're working with the usual rules, and I think we are, then the mafia would win if Csargo (or myself) was lying about their alignment, because it would be 1 Town vs 1 Mafia, which is a winning situation for the mafia.

I'm ready to give Csargo a pass based on that, and also because I've scanned him as a male last night, since the last writeup shows a "slim figure" performing the kill - Again pointing to a woman.

Things that I'd like to hear about:

1) Split's scan result.
2) Csargo and Believer's abilities, if they have one?

This is possibly the last turn we have to lynch a mafia, or they can kill one Good player and win. Any information can help, and I'm particularly interested in Believer's ability, since he hasn't claimed one, and is under suspicion.

Also, Believer why are you voting for me?

[Believer]

2) Csargo and Believer's abilities, if they have one?


Also, Believer why are you voting for me?

I have a small chance of negating a night action upon myself, passive ability.

Because I think you're scum.

[Csargo]

I don't have a ability. I'd like to hear what split's results were.

Believer you aren't really helping yourself here.

[Romanic]

I have a small chance of negating a night action upon myself, passive ability.

Because I think you're scum.

Why do you think that I'm scum? What's your case?

Your ability looks out of place in this game. Looks like something that would fit into ATPG Mafia, 10% resistance hidden talent or something.

[Believer]

Why do you think that I'm scum? What's your case?

Your ability looks out of place in this game. Looks like something that would fit into ATPG Mafia, 10% resistance hidden talent or something.

You are too smart to be so zoned in on me for so many rounds. Not even you can honestly believe I would buss both my mafia buddies in my first game as scum. That's just too far.
I don't believe your scanning ability. I think you are hiding behind a bogus detective claim. I had revealed my gender earlier to other people which I know you also talk to. You are known to me as the statistical master and almighty knower of facts. It would be so easy for you to fake that claim. Give it up.

[Romanic]

You are too smart to be so zoned in on me for so many rounds. Not even you can honestly believe I would buss both my mafia buddies in my first game as scum. That's just too far.
I don't believe your scanning ability. I think you are hiding behind a bogus detective claim. I had revealed my gender earlier to other people which I know you also talk to. You are known to me as the statistical master and almighty knower of facts. It would be so easy for you to fake that claim. Give it up.

It this the part where I'm supposed to blush?

Sure I knew from Renata that you were female, and that's part of why I was scanning you as I thought my ability could go through cover roles, and that I could catch a scum if they had a cover role with a different gender. But there was no way for me to be sure that you were really female. What if you were lying, for any reason? I would be caught lying about my role. You talk like it's an easy thing to fake, when it's not really easy. I claimed on Day 3 to Renata, then to Secura, so I would be required to come up with scans every day.

Also, about bussing your two teammates on your first Scum game - I don't know that this is your first game as Scum. Perhaps here on the ORG, but you've been playing on other sites before coming here. Weren't you playing in that pevergreen game on some other site?

Thus I don't have any idea about your experience level, you're drawing conclusions for me on knowledge that I don't have. Afaik you could be addicted to bussing when Scum, or completely shy to vote your partner. How am I supposed to know?

[TheLastDays]

Well I for one believe that you could have done that, here's my reasoning (all with the hypothetical assumtpion that you're scum):

Both you and CB had 3 votes, yours was on CB, his was on Csargo. The only way to save CB would have been to lynch you, by either CB placing his vote on you or you moving your vote anywhere.
Well, you couldn't really move your vote, how would you have explained that? You would have gotten lynched and we would have seen your bad alignment and instantly everyone would have been all over CB because there was no reason whatsoever to move your vote, other than saving your scumpartner. Now this would have been a good tactic, if CB wasn't scum. But he was...
If CB had placed his vote on you he still had a great deal of suspicion on him. Csargo, Secura seemed to be 100% sure he had to die while I was the only one making such a strong case on you. Given my history of being new to the game and doing a stupid thing round 1 you two probably decided your survival chances were at least slightly higher so they decided to let you live and that could only be accomplished by you bussing your partner (again).

Now after that all you've been doing is defending, by saying people are stupid because they are so set on you and they should finally let go and you couldn't possibly lynch both your partners. I don't know you, so as far as I'm concerned you're capable of anything that the game mechanics allow. That goes for everyone.

On the other hand I find it highly improbable for Romanic to have faked this scan results. He has claimed them to Secura in private before any of thee people revealed their gender. Please correct me, if I'm wrong, Secura. Saying he made that all up in his mind by using statistics... now that is far fetched. 18 players in a game is not a big enough sample for statistics to be that accurate. Also, if Romanic was lying about his popularity there'd be one less good in the game. That would mean that 1) probably the Mafia had already won, although I think DE would still let the game run because of the three neutrals left that could make it swing any direction. But 2) it would mean there's A LOT of neutrals in comparison to town. I don't think that's the case, esp. if your only case on Romanic is the strange claim that he made up his scan results.
No, in fact I think you're going after him because, even though split or myself would, from voting history and such, be better suspects, a number of players have stated they don't find us suspicious while Romanic has at least drawn some suspicion over time. Going for who dreew the most suspicion is clear scum tactic, especially when that player isn't really a good target anymore, logically speaking.

Now that was all thoughts, what I'd like to see now are split's scanner results, because if Romanic is scum at least split's results should be honest ;)

And also, to everyone (even the dead still reading): Did your abilities correspond with a song by your role? My ability to convert Eminem was called "Take my Hand" - iirc the song they did together. It'd be interesting to see if DE did something similar with every role and then I'd like to hear what the song behind your night ability was, Believer.

So, I'm still waiting for some pieces of the puzzle to fall into place but for now I'll vote: Believer

[Askthepizzaguy]

I, for one, think Diamondeye is guilty even though he's the host, because he's always guilty. He's a vampire, and I can't believe you people can't see it.

[Secura]

Looks like I can squeeze in a post before I shower and head to work, but I may not be able to respond for some time after this.

Anyway, I'm going to go against form here and suggest that you lynch Romanic; forging results is not beyond the realms of possibility for someone with such a knack for statistics. Also, I really dislike how you're suddenly heaps more active now that myself, Renata and Pizza are all dead; where have you been for the rest of the game?

You are too smart to be so zoned in on me for so many rounds. Not even you can honestly believe I would buss both my mafia buddies in my first game as scum. That's just too far.

You'll note that I've suggested Romanic for the lynch rather than yourself, but I'd just like to say that if it does turn out that you're the remaining mafia, then using this as reasoning not to lynch you is really weak, dude; anything is possible on your first game as scum, I think I'm testament to that.

He has claimed them to Secura in private before any of thee people revealed their gender. Please correct me, if I'm wrong, Secura.

I am dead, so I can neither confirm nor deny anything that has been said to me privately.

[TheLastDays]

I am dead, so I can neither confirm nor deny anything that has been said to me privately.

Oh ok, I wasn't aware of that rule but fair enough

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can confirm that being dead is smashing. There's a bright light in front of me, and all around is dark. I'm not wearing any clothing, and I can see all my friends from the .org. There's a keyboard, and a mouse.... oh wait I'm still in my room.

[Secura]

Anyway, I'm going to go against form here and suggest that you lynch Romanic; forging results is not beyond the realms of possibility for someone with such a knack for statistics. Also, I really dislike how you're suddenly heaps more active now that myself, Renata and Pizza are all dead; where have you been for the rest of the game?

I should elaborate; while it would be difficult to forge a result against Renata when there's no suggestion of her role in-thread, it's possible that this was more a case of a silver tongue and a stroke of luck or something... perhaps Romanic coaxed the information out of her in private, who can say? However, it'd be easy to reveal c_h's gender if he was on your side, and there were in-thread claims for Pizza/split, unsure about Believer.

Truth be told, I'm just looking at a contingency plan, an alternative to Believer's probable four vote wagon; in the event that he is innocent, you've basically created a bandwagon for the scummer to hide in and it's curtains.

[Believer]

Csargo, Secura seemed to be 100% sure he had to die while I was the only one making such a strong case on you.

The case on me has never been strong, that is more or less proven given all the strong names only giving me a round or so of suspicioun. You and Romanic are the only ones who are completely blind to any other suspect and will suffer the consequences.

On another note, if I was scum wouldn't I kill atleast 1 of the people who's been on my tail for like a week now? No one would think it wierd if TLD or Romanic died at one point.
Also notice how all the big'uns who doesn't suspect me are dead, Renata, ATPG and Secura. Please tell me how any of this makes sense and I might not switch my vote to you.

[TheLastDays]

You can put your vote anywhere you want and if you're town and think that I am guilty, it's good if you vote for me. And I am not dead set on you yet.

Also sorry for the mixed up words, what I was trying to say is, I was the only one going strong after you I wasn't necessarily referring to the "quality" of my case against you.

But instead of only threatening me, GIVE me an alternative because whatever you or anyone might think, I know I'm not the Mafia so I need a place to put my vote. I find it highly improbable that there's so many neutrals in this game and that Romanic has forged his results, being completely correct with every guess... because that is such an extremely risky thing and he did it early too, without much pressure on him. Just imagine one of his guesses turned out wrong, we all knew he was forging, why would he do that? Because he's scum... There's too much risk involved for too little gain to be doing such a thing, imo.

And the scum is not killing TLD because TLD is a neutral and scums don't have to kill neutrals to win this game, it's that simple...
Why Romanic's still alive... no idea, maybe another bold move, I really can't say at the moment, I still want to see split's results before I can make any clear decision

[Diamondeye]

I, for one, think Diamondeye is guilty even though he's the host, because he's always guilty. He's a vampire, and I can't believe you people can't see it.

Well there goes the fake ending

[TheLastDays]

unvote, vote: Diamondeye

[Diamondeye]

I, for one, think Diamondeye is guilty even though he's the host, because he's always guilty. He's a vampire, and I can't believe you people can't see it.

unvote, vote: Diamondeye

Go-Go case "Diamondeye is Rebecca Black"!

Seriously though, I'm not. So lay off