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I wasn't going for a challenge list but correcting the tally... but ok...
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
Challenge list
Beefy Vs GeneralHankerchief
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TC
WE Vs YLC
You did mean WE challenged TC right ?
Edit: and for the life of me i cant find the post im looking for... noticed that we challenged you though..
Like I said, it creates WIFOM. WIFOM brings one out into the lime light and makes you more susceptible to being lynched simply because you are a conundrum. The town as a whole must be convinced enough to dismiss it as a whole, otherwise it will be brought back. It's simply to risky, because your then the "next best lynch otherwise". We have 49 remaining players in the game, even with the dueling, that's still 7-8 rounds left in the game, assuming kill level remain consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
No, WE challenged me.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
I have a 75% challenge of fighting someone tomorrow, and, because of randomization, a 50% chance of surviving that. By doing so, I open myself up further to be investigated based upon the duel.
So are the votes upon me doing any good?
I have to comment, YLC did a good argument. Well done on that, sincerely.
It makes me suspect TinCow, on top of three others I suspect (mafia-role) and I think of I know two town roles (not going to say names so they don't get targeted). Unfortunately, saying names again makes me a target, or am I bluffing?
I will Vote: Stephen Asen for now, but I might change to break a tie breaker if I suspect one of them to be a mafia and the other, not. I highly suspect him being Traitor role.
That's a long post, and I'm off to bed at the moment. I will respond tomorrow morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Well your vote did seem like bandwagoning but i though it was a little fleshed out... (and after searching for ages) i found out it was like a 3 line post with a vote and a challenge. And with the challenge it does seem too risky. Without the challenge (which i couldn't remember) you weren't really putting yourself out there too much
Combined with the fact i confused your first post with maybe a later post..
Unvote
Funnily enough i did kind of get an uneasy feeling about TinCow but i don't see why he would put himself out there when im sure he could have easily blended in with some roleplaying or something...
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 3- (El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
Challenge list
Beefy Vs GeneralHankerchief
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TC
WE Vs YLC
Not TC's style, it would be picked out and questioned. Also, it's easier to blend in as a helpful townie then it is to roleplay or Lurk - Lurk, and no one sees you and your absence is noted, point incase - Sigurd. Roleplay, and your noted for it, point in case - Gregoshi. TC is to high profile and to well known for either.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Vote:YLCQuote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Scum
:heart:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I am Sanada Yukimura - I fear no man nor death. I am also historically accurate :wink:
I challenged Rhyfelwyr and YLC as well, although I believe only the Rhyfelwyr one counts.
I believe you can only make one challenge, correct me if I am wrong. Since you made your against Rhyfelwyr first, the one you made against me would not count then.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Not sure if its historically accurate, but in the Play Station II game called "Kessen (Battle)", Sanada Yukimura appears as a general and he is described as master of Kunoichi (Female Ninjas) :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Fact that we all have a role, like Takeda Shingen received Takeda Shingen (No cover pms), I won't be supprised if our enemies recieved their role with real names.
Combined that with my pever theory, and the fact that YLC is the host, I think YLC is a good lynch candidate.
Fatality:
YLC 5 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, LittleGrizzly, Ichigo
TinCow 4 Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar
Stephen Asen 3 ajaxfetish, woad&fangs, Beskar
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Beefy187 1 GeneralHankerchief
Abstain 1 Caius, taka
Mortal Kombat:
GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
Tally is off. Doesn't have my vote for Beefy nor my (valid) challenge for Rhyfelwyr.
Some one didn't do the tally right at all then. I will make sure it is fully correct now.
Um, what o.O? I;m the host? If I am the host, then I can't be lynched...plus -Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Sanada Saemon-no-Suke Yukimura (真田 左衛門佐 幸村 ,Sanada Yukimura?, 1567–June 3, 1615) was a Japanese samurai, second son of the Sengoku period daimyo Sanada Masayuki (1544-1611). His proper name was Sanada Nobushige (真田信繁), named after Takeda Shingen's younger brother Takeda Nobushige （武田信繁), who was a brave and respected warrior. Sanada Yukimura was called "A Hero who may appear once in hundred years" and "crimson demon of war", and Shimazu Tadatsune (島津忠恒, arguably the best performer in the invasion of Korea) called him the "number one warrior in Japan." ("日本一の兵", 兵 means soldier originally, but here it is read as "tsuwamono" which means samurai or warrior, so it is not appropriate to translate it as soldier.)
I was utterly loyal to Takeda Shingen, as is my father, Sanada Masayuki.
Links to Sanada Yukimura and Sanada Masayuki
The relation to the game is utter fallacy - your just coming up with an excuse to vote for me.
So...you think andres gave ylc (who you say is the ninja master) a name from a playstation II game and didn't tell him that if he posted it in the thread he would be revealed? Or maybe they were randomly generated like he said they were...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Read few paragraphs down. It says something about "10 legendary ninjas"Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Plus I wasn't going to vote for you, as I thought the names was spilled out by name generators and you getting Sanada Yukimura was a pure coincidents
Kessens based on Sengoku Jidai. So most of the characters did exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I wasn't really sure about the character setting thats all.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Really now :coffeenews:
Then if I am mafia, which would make me the ninja "godfather", just look for the names of those ten to crop up in the duels. Which would be a bad thing to do - or are you implying I am stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Toldja. :smoking:
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
The correct tally list and in the right order (might double check, but it should be correct).
I am putting a small ban on other people doing their own tallies, as there were so many errors, missed votes, missed challenges and in the wrong order, it was amazingly bad.
Fatality: [The one who is going to get lynched.]
shlin28 7 CountArach, LittleGrizzly,Beskar,GeneralHankerchief, YLC, Sasaki Kojiro, Seamus Fermanagh
YLC 4 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, Ichigo
TinCow 2 Chimpyang, Husar
Stephen Asen 2 ajaxfetish, woad&fangs
Taka 2 Seamus Fermanagh, Captain Blackadder
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Abstain 2 Caius, taka
Mortal Kombat: [Duels.]
GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
The Usual Suspects: [A section for those who keep cropping up from previous rounds.]
shlin28 A
Stephen Asen C
Beskar C
Sasaki Kojiro D
YLC D
Haudegen D
LittleGrizzly D
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Beefy quality. Get one details right and get three wrong :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Not at all. I just thought I might say what I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Hmmm...LG supposedly Unvoted me before running off :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Nice, well, whatever, I am sure the mafia want me dead, so let it be so. I was only a veteran Samurai with a ridiculously high battle rating, essentially a low chance daykill vigilante.
I am glad I was able to so much to help the town, and get it repaid - oh, before I die, I had privately asked Andres for a suicide and replacement. I wish I had done it, because then Sanada Yukimura would have lived a tad longer :laugh4:
Vote: shlin28
My reasoning will follow when I put it all together. I'm pretty damn sure about this one though.
EDIT: Also, YLC could you send me your battle rating (As well as those of you who haven't sent it)?
YLC does not seem like a good lynch to me.
I will to keep the lists up to date on each page, until the list gets replaced on the other page, is when I copy and paste the old one there then make the amendments for that page.
As for the unvote, I would prefer it if people stuck to the rules on it, it makes it easier to organise. Probably why Andres requested it that way too. :beam:
As for CountArach, feel free to list it. My apologises, I only change when I think it is suitable to do it.
Why not? I mean, there is such astounding reasoning to do so! Look at the irrefutable logic! LOOK AT IT!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
:coffeenews:
YLC, your long posts against Tincow seem well thought out and have a mafia-hunter quality to them. It should be noted, however, that none of the points raised are "smoking gun" caliber.
However, Ichigo is correct as to the mafia-esque tone of your duel post. :inquisitive:
For the moment, I will Vote: taka
Come out and play taka, I don't like you lurking along.
VOTE TAKA
Gut instinct
Double post or Duel post (as in challenge?) - or just point out which post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
I am putting a small ban on other people doing their own tallies
I just updated someone else's and put in the challenges YLC mentioned.... I am perfect and beyond reproach... ask my loyal samurai!
So errm.. there was some voting problem ?
Unvote YLC
Vote Shlin28
Our Lord seems convinced and thus so am I, If the warriors are uncooperative with your requests name them and shall remove thier heads!
Updated tally (wish me luck)
Fatality:
YLC 4 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, Ichigo
TinCow 4 Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar
Stephen Asen 3 ajaxfetish, woad&fangs, Beskar
Taka 2 CaptainBlackadder, Seamus
Shlin28: 2 LittleGrizzly, CountArach
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Beefy187 1 GeneralHankerchief
Abstain 2 Caius, taka
Mortal Kombat:
GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
Why shlin probably isn't town and should be lynched
Got your attention? Brilliant.
The primary reason for shlin to be lynched rests on something you are all just simply going to have to trust me with - he lied about his duel ratings. I have reason to suspect that the level he sent me exceeded the maximum available score. No one else claimed anything at his level or above, including those who hinted at similar character backgrounds. So for that reason alone he should be lynched.
Further, shlin cast the deciding vote on Sigurd... whether this may point to something or not is largely irrelevant, but I don't think Sigurd was a good lynch at all in retrospect.
Unvote: Stephen Asen
Vote: CountArach ((Edit: This was actually meant to be shlin28 based on CountArach's post, but I made a stupid blunder))
If you got any questions, inregards to the scale I am trying out, feel free to message, but in short, D at the moment = been listed in two lynch inquests. C= a popular and a shallow, or popular in two. I am testing around with the sensitivity.
p.s. You never responded to my PM CountArach, or wasn't you allowed?
Although I do agree that Sigurd was a terrible lynch choice, I don't think we will be able to lynch shlin this round :shame: - Sasaki, I, and one more person will have to change their vote.
And Beskar, are you alright in the head?
I'll give CA the benefit of the doubt... this time. I do have some questions about this line of logic, but I'll put them off until more is revealed.
Unvote: Beefy
Vote: shlin
Lol... I am Lord Takeda Shingen... and any votes against me as discarded. I am confirmed pro-town... yet you want to lynch me? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I didn't answer anyone's question about the duel rating scale for the reason that I didn't want that information to get in the wrong hands. The fact you are fishing for that information means that you deserve HoS: Beskar. Also GH, what part of my line of logic don't you like?
Okay, scratch what I said earlier, I will follow up more closely with TC tomorrow.
Unvote: Tincow
Vote: Shlin28
One more please! Sasaki?
unvote:TinCow,Vote:Shlin
Been fos'd, been hos'd...let's here you say yay now.
Hopefully ylc vs tincow duel comes up.
Unvote: taka
Vote: Shlin28
Hai, tono. Wakirimasen, keredomo hai.
Lurker List (dead and non-players dropped): Name postcount out of 912 -- notes
Haudegen 5 -- voted both d1 and d2, comments short and inquisitive, hard to assess
taka 5 -- 2 pre-play posts, abstained d1 and d3, voted for Asen d2, total word count contributed is 21, subtracting the 7 that were bolded votes that's 14 words. This is the I totally lurk so that nobody notices me and I don't get the chop approach. I loathe this as its hugely beneficial to mafiosi, even if taka san is not a ninja here.
Yoyoma1910 4 -- voted d1, not since
El Diablo 4 -- missed d1, voted d2 & d3 (with challenge)
Beaver 3 -- abstained d1, nothing since
Dutch_guy 3 -- no votes so far, possible WOG in waiting
Psychonaut 3 -- signup, voted shlin d1, abstained d2: VERY productive voting record for 3 posts :inquisitive:
A Very Super Market 3 -- voted d1, not since
Jolt 3 -- abstained d1, nothing since
Crazed Rabbit 3 -- voted d1, not since
Banquo's Ghost 2 -- voted d1, not since, less active then usual in BR
Tristan de Castelreng 2
Peasant Phill 2 -- only post laments his being too late to vote both times
Xehh II 2
Wishazu 1 -- recent replacement, first post was a vote for Haudegen
Bolded names indicate dangerous lurker
Holy @#$@%. Was there a hard deadline? Because that is awesome if so--had no idea.
It was a typo, I meant shlin28 to copy you, but for some reason, I typed your name by accident. After I edited the scoring, I looked down and thought "Who is that idiot who voted for CountArach... oh beepers!"Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
And it I told you the reason in my PM, it wasn't suspicious at all.
If its a 5am GMT cut off then that would be some damn good timing...
Beskar don't go back and edit votes!
You have to make a new post and unvote if you accidently vote for someone wrong... or just in general don't edit a vote into a post...
CA, check your inbox in a bit. I'm doing about 4 things at once so it may take a minute.
Actually it's an extended day phase so we have plenty of time. Although andres's listed times make zero sense to me. I thought we had like 5 hours left when he closed voting yesterday, and now he says 36 hours but voting lasts till saturday???
No one replied and I thought I fixed it. Everytime I change my vote, I post saying unvote then vote. However, I just wrote the wrong name down when I meant another. >_> Its the 5am bug where you read "CountArach seems to have a good case" and accidently put his name down...Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Random chance is amazing. :laugh4: I hadn't even read Arach's reasoning (hence the wakirimasen comment) while putting together my lurker list, but I had no better line of attack and he IS the only known innocent. So the timing just...happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
GH: If he did lie about his duel score to CA, that was a dumb move. I think CA is making a legit judgement call based on this.
CA: The lynch of Sigurd was probably not the best, but using rounds 2-5 to take out lurkers (absent a better line of attack such as you provided or YLC attempted on Tincow) is not bad play. Known players who are lurking must be prodded or removed.
CA: I would also like to know which lurkers on my list supplied you with duel scores, and who did not. Might help us sort the wogs from those who should be pressured to join in.
Beskar: Please don't edit a vote, many hosts will wog you for it immediately.
It was a blunder and trying to cover up my blunder, I did another one, apologies to everyone in the game and the host.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Let me stress, this is 100% legitimate intended vote in that particular post. I half-doozely just typed the person who brought the point up which made me want to change my vote, instead of the person they said. Yes, it was a silly stupid mistake.
I will edit back the other vote to the original and restate it here. Please be forgiving. :embarassed:
Unvote: CountArach
Vote: shlin28
Yeah I agree, but I just think there might have been other targets. I suppose there really wasn't given what we did/didn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Those who did:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Haudegen
Yoyoma1910
A Very Super Market - with the addition comment that he doesn't post much but that he is always reading. I for one would like to hear more from him.
Those who didn't:
taka
El Diablo
Beaver
Dutch_guy
Psychonaut
Jolt
Crazed Rabbit
Banquo's Ghost
Tristan de Castelreng
Peasant Phill
Xehh II
Wishazu
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Page 32 Tally List
Fatality: [The one who is going to get lynched.]
shlin28 8 CountArach, LittleGrizzly,Beskar,GeneralHankerchief, YLC, Sasaki Kojiro, Seamus Fermanagh, ajaxfetish
YLC 4 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, Ichigo
TinCow 2 Chimpyang, Husar
Taka 2 Seamus Fermanagh, Captain Blackadder
Stephen Asen 1 woad&fangs
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Abstain 3 Caius, taka, Glenn
Mortal Kombat: [Duels.]
GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
Glenn Vs YLC
The Usual Suspects: [A section for those who keep cropping up from previous rounds.]
shlin28 A
Stephen Asen C
Beskar C
Sasaki Kojiro D
YLC D
Haudegen D
LittleGrizzly D
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Thanks CA. I'll make a note of it. 'night all.
Dont worry about the edit wog thing, its for people intentionally trying to mess with the tally...
liking the usual suspects thing, though what you basing it on ?
Just names popping up or votes ?
The lynching of sigurd is unfortunate but not too scummy i think seamus assessment is spot on..
Think we should pressure some of the lurkers next round maybe (absent something juicy)
One problem with your list, Wishazu on the end, i now he only has one post and its a vote but coming in on the day phase and making the effort to make a vote (which isn't a bandwagon) he probably deserves not to be known as a lurker...
How to commit seppuku:
http://www.realultimatepower.net/ninja/seppuku.htm
My god!
I am never to neglect reading this thread again, lest I be forced to sit in this chair for 45 minutes reading accusation after accusation and votes!
I have read so much and tried to recollect so many opinions that I have forgotten the night report!
But nonetheless I have no opinionated reason to vote for any of the targets presented today, and a vote on a lurker at this point would be wasted.
Yet I have a way of putting a vote on the one I suspect most, who looks to escape death today.
Challenge: YLC
And unless there is a radical change of affairs I vote: abstain.
(I really enjoy the duel system... every game should have one!)
D to B is based on votes and popularity in those votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
A is a special case. The 'A' is the prediction of who is going to go out this round, also based on high probability. In this case, they are lying to the Pro-town role big time, our lord and master.
The "S" rank is special. Basically, it is when we are certain some one is a mafia-role member, and need to be lynched as soon as possible. Top priority.
:coffeenews:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Right - you do realize with the plethora of challenges your "challenge" won't even be counted? And if you suspect me, vote me, and then back it up, even if it's on principle.
But still, false bravado and not voicing your suspicions adequately are sure fire ways to win this game.
unvote:Stephen Asen
vote: shlin28
Takeda has spoken
:bow:
Ajax
edit: though I'd still like to hear some kind of explanation from Stephen Asen for his challenge. :stare:
Yes, YLC, it does count among the plethora.
You have a one in two chance of having that sarcastic tongue cut out of your head tomorrow morning.
YLC why did you change your vote?
Only first 4 are counted, so yes he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
But not by him :coffeenews:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
And I changed my vote Ichigo because I will be bringing my case, dead or alive, back tomorrow against TC when it can actually make a difference, unless for some reason the shinobi comes out of the woodwork. Count on it.
And Beefy too - he voted for me and tried to back it up with shoddy reasoning.
Why is shlin a better lynch than TC?Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I think everyone has learnt to ignore me on the most part. I feel unloved. :sad: (please don't bandwagon me though.)
Have you read up on CA's argument against him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I'm pretty sure it said shlin claimed veteran samurai and said his duel score didn't match what other VS had claimed before CA edited his post.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
So...are you suggesting TC is a better lynch based on evidence presented and that the votes on shlin are pointless?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I think shlin will be WoG'd for sending his role to CA when Andres said you could only send your duel score.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
You made such a nice long argument against TC, I figured you would stick with it. :sad:
Well, according to CA, shlin only sent his duel score and claimed veteran samurai - that's not the same as sending your role, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
If it is a woggable offense, then hopefully Andres can sort that out before the round ends. Either way, it's back to TC after the shlin case.
Quote:
* Revealing your role or character name "in private" (= outside of this thread) is not allowed.
I'm assuming he will, but that's up to Andres I guessQuote:
It's ok to send a pm like:
Quote:
Hi, my battle rating is X
Actually no. I havn't voted for you. I was considering it but it was more of a FoS.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
The only one I am suspecious of is GH but I already challenged him so theres no point voting for him.
And feel honored for I, Beefy voted (well.. FoS) for someone with reasons other then bandwagon on early rounds. Thats something you can't expect alot from me. :smash:
Oops, my mistake now that I look at it - still, you had some awkwardly faulty reasoning...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Name one game where I didn't have awkwardly faulty reasoning:clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
EDIT: I'm still working on the skill to make a convincing case. I'll should do a little better next time around
There seems to be some confusion about when this rounds end.
It will last until Saturday April 25th, 9.30 am (GMT+1), that's +/- 36 hours after the previous night (N3) write-up. The day ends when I post "Voting concluded".
Andres, can we get confirmation of any possible punishments for people who send a message saying (By way of example) "I am a Veteran Samurai with Battle Rating X"?Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Forward me the PM in question, please.
On a general note: the rules are clear:
:bow:Quote:
* Revealing your role or character name "in private" (= outside of this thread) is not allowed.
* It's not allowed to quote role pm's or night actions results in private.
If you have revealed in public, you are free to repeat that information in further pm traffic.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pics...tars-def/4.jpg
That is Tincow's URL avatar - I ask permission to upload a screenshot because it would seem many people do not see it.
No screenshots, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chimpyang